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BBC – Travel – A tale of two cities : History, Israel
In Old Jerusalem, the faithful still flock to the Western Wall of the Temple Mount, Judaism’s holiest site, to slip hand-written prayers into the cracks of the wall. Christian pilgrims still retrace Jesus’ final steps to crucifixion along Via Dolorosa, and Muslims still worship at the golden Dome of the Rock, Islam’s third-holiest site, where Mohammed was said to receive the Koran.
What??? Who said that?!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran
The Quran is composed of verses (Ayah) that make up 114 chapters (suras) of unequal length which are classified either as Meccan (المكية) or Medinan (المدينية) depending upon their place and time of revelation.[7] Muslims believe the Quran to be verbally revealed through angel Jibrīl (Gabriel) from God to Muhammad gradually over a period of approximately 23 years beginning in 610 CE, when Muhammad was 40, and concluding in 632 CE, the year of his death.
NOWHERE in the Quran is there any mention of Jerusalem either!
Islamic tradition says it was in a cave on a hill overlooking Mecca no?
I thought he flew to Jerusalem on a winged donkey or something?
If he flew anywhere he’d have probably flown the donkey into the side of a building, it just comes naturally to them.
Flew up his ass?
Now it all makes sense.
Bio,
In answer to your question. Mohhamed never visited Jerusalam, but as Daniel mentions , he did dream about it and that is the sole basis of his link with the Jewish city.
To be honest there’s more truth in how the man from atlantis came out of the shower in Dalas than in any Islamic claim to Jerusalam.
A Muslim scholar explains why Jerusalem is not in the Koran
At last the BBC mentions that it’s Judaism’s holiest site. I’ve complained here several times that they refer to it as the third-most holy site in Islam, but fail to mention that it’s essentially the only holy place for Jews. This is an improvement, at long last, even though it’s in an advertisement for their commerical asset, Lonely Planet, and not an actual news item.
Let’s see if it gets a permanent place in the BBC style guide, though.
Perhaps someone in the editorial staff realised that Islam’s actual claim to Jerusalem that Mohammed flew there in one night on a winged steed with the face of a human where he was welcomed by all the great prophets of the past before ascending through the seven heavens. On his way up he sought the advice of Moses, Aaron, Enoch, Jesus, John the Baptist and Abraham before entering the presence of God might open one to sacrilegous ridicule?
Do I see a Dawkins survey here as he trails around Leicester and Luton asking the religion of peace “are you a real Muslim…and do you really believe this crap as proof of saying that you are?”
Only have to tell him and his fellow pedallers that there`s a Sustrans path that liks Luton to Oxford…keeps then Green…and ultimately black and red too with a fetching bit of Arabic, crescent and sword…it`s a la mode, you atheist sleepwalking clots!
Insulting Islam is punishable with witholding of the license fee and calling it zakat.
I have issued a Fatwa on the BBC for this.
They all look the same eh these Semites don`t they Beeb?
Who`s going to tell Qutada then?
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Ok just bet the one stick man is saying “I’m a young violently lefty student with big ideas but no brains so how do I get a job on news night ?”
And Mr Mas-son on the right says “here’s my appendage please touch ???”
Not content with being one of the founding signatories for the ghastly grouping of militant Trots and Communist trade unionists, that are otherwise known as the UAF, does good Comrade David Cameron yet realise, that the vice chairman of this undemocratic grouping has now been filled by a Radical Islamist?
If he wont remove his name from a grouping like the UAF, then is it really any surprise to anyone that he wont take on the BBC.
The Conservatives have a couple ex-Beeboids working as spin doctors for them. It won’t happen, as I’m sure they’re advising against taking on the Corporation.
Listening to the 07:30 (I think) news bulletin on R4 this morning, and they were on about dignity for the elderly in hospitals and care homes, and I heard distinctly that addressing folk as “Dear” or “Love” would be verboten. (I see nothing wrong with either, incidentally – more PC drivel, and I’m old[ish]).
What was interesting though, is that all the later bulletins changed to it being verboten to refer to patients/inmates as “Old Dear” and “Bedblocker”. I wonder why the change?
‘I wonder why the change?’
Well it might be the feeback so far from oldish kids of abused elders like me, telling them that their ‘PR to news’ PC-BS was serving our senior generations about as well as the rest of their social-engineering, senior market-rate-approved pap-as-reporting.
And there was sight more to be concerned about than some nurse calling a poo-immersed, dehydated elder ‘Dearie’ because they had not yet had the requisite box-ticking ‘training’ to know the friggin difference between a caring professional and a Pilgrim jobsworth.
Not an area our beloved, yoof-obsessed, public-sector-deluded national treasure could get its stuffin ‘holding power to account’ pea-brains around such a notion whilst obsessing about bloody horses or whether the mighty Ed scored a goodie in PMQs.
Or, maybe, they simply ‘evolved the story’.
This has been raised latterly on last night’s Newsnight blog by a bunch of folk, as ediotorial strayed into actual areas of public interest, so no ‘off topic’ excuses.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/fromthewebteam/2012/02/tuesday_28_february_2012.html
Oddly, the mods seem to have had to obliterate a vast number of comments.
Evidently the folk the BBC speak for are not getting how this works at all.
Not so much a secret garden the BBCs news growing arena…not even a Blue Peter one anymore..no it`s a magic crystal garden where dreams can come true, as long as some horny handed chap can apply the sickle…the BBC just hammer on and on.
No wonder none of us are with the programme-hard to hear what`s true as long as they shout over it all.
Radio Nowhere…telly to match…
@Full Fact @FullFact Slight error on @BBCNews 1pm bulletin – 34,000 Work Experience participants is for all ages, not 18-24. Breakdown here: bit.ly/AtmtHZ
Not to sure why they needed to add anything after the first four words, frankly, though ‘slight’ may need revising for actual severity.
The bulletin is for all ages, or the Work Experience scheme?
Sorry… but they’re back…. (and I now have a backlog from all sorts, ECU, producers, to yet work through).
After my brief pleasant exchange with a remotely human Producer, BBC Complaints are back to form with, unless my eyes decive me, the added plus of trying to claim black is, in fact white, despeit clear writtenh evidence to the contrary…
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Thank you for your latest email on this issue
You are welcome.
and please accept our apologies for the delay in responding.
Better right than in a hurry, I always say. The hope is that extra time taken is reflected in the quality of the eventual response. A hope seldom realised, mind.
The headline on the story and on Twitter are one and the same, so in that sense there is no discrepancy between them.
Well, super. No really. Beyond the fact they are not ‘one and the same’ at all*. So really, the ‘no discrepancy’ core of this reply rather falls apart.
Funnily enough, beyond that out and out inaccuracy, I actually have other complaints, again in progress and outstanding, based on what is ‘edited to fit’ for such as twitter and or mobiles, etc, being often not the same, and indeed have the equally astounding admission from other colleagues of yours that getting it in a space constraint that the BBC has inflicted on itself can and does take precedence over accuracy between the various headline locations and incarnations.
So in this case to get two matching would be a feat, though as the whole point is accuracy on story conveyance, it really still does not cut it. Hence essentially yet another strawman distraction at best. But in being so far from truth I fear worse.
What you appear to be suggesting is that the headline does not match the story itself,
No ‘appears’ about it, other on your side alone. What I am, still, saying, without ambiguity, is that you, the BBC are too often playing fast and loose with accurate reflections of the story, and more so erring on doing so in a manner that suits a particular slant. More, this is being done using silly semantic games starting with the creation of these headlines, which then gets continued in these time and cost expensive exchanges, for which you still get paid but, in injury atop of insult, I have to co-fund.
There is this *tweet: BBCPolitics David Cameron attack on Welsh NHS bbc.in/xWGWbK
Which clearly suggests an ‘attack’ on the NHS, albeit in Wales, by the British PM. It would take quite something to read that any other way, or to deny that ‘attacking’ the near immune national treasure that is the NHS, in any way, is unwise politically.
Then there is this *headline which was what what one arrived at from it: David Cameron attacks Labour’s handling of NHS WalesWhich is very different, clearly clarifying the actual object of the, as you put it, ‘attack’. Not the Welsh NHS, but the Labour Party’s handling of it.
If you can’t grasp how that is a crucial, missing piece of context, then you are indeed beyond any further value in exchanging commentary. On top of trying to paint red as purple.
and on that point we disagree.
Given our past history unsurprising, and again highlighting the risible nature and utter pointlessness of these attrition levels of the BBC complaint process. Being disagreed with by the BBC over a critique about the BBC, especially by what amounts to a default response mechanism akin to a Turing Machine, is frankly getting beyond a joke.
I don’t care what you agree with or not. I do care about clear BBC bias, and this being reflected in carefully shaped headlines that do not complement each other, or the actual facts of the story.
Yes, there is a limited space to encapsulate the thrust of a report, but here we think the headline is fair.
I accord your thoughts on fairness equal value to your consistent ability to find agreement, ever, with what a licence fee payer has taken the time to share in great concern, in detail, for the ACTUAL REASONS stated, as opposed to a now wearying ‘we are right because we think we are right’ mantra that does not gain from being intoned ad nauseam, over and over, again and again. Plus a degree of unwillingness to actually address the topic that can be only a deliberate strawman technique. Using either wilful lack of comprehension or deliberate misdirection.
Mr Cameron had attacked the running of the Welsh NHS, which is administered by Labour.
Which is not what the first, twitter headline says, or was designed to convey.
Our report says:
At question time in the Commons on Wednesday, Mr Cameron said the NHS in Wales showed what happens “when you don’t put the money in
and don’t do the reform”.
He said a third of people were waiting longer than 18 weeks for NHS operations in Wales.
He accused the Welsh government of cutting health spending by £400m – a 6.5% cut – and said 27% of people in Wales wait more than six weeks
for diagnostic services, compared to 1% in England.
The BBC is investing a vast amount.. time.. effort.. and universally mocked PR efforts, to tell us that the future of news will be such as twitter, mobiles, etc, and it will be ‘bright’. And a main feature, given only as reasons but hardly in legitimate excuse, is the limited space these media offer to get across stories and topics accurately. The challenge is to reflect what is, not what your editorial like to think things should be interpreted as… especially by folk scrolling, and without the time or inclination to go beyond the headlines to find out that it is not what the story goes on to outline.
Hence committing 3 paras after ‘Our report says’ merely highlights the problem, and how you have, are, and appear unwilling to even consider thinking about doing anything other than batten down the hatches in default, unthinking defensiveness, with waffle in denial and support of a contentious practice which needs addressing.
So we cannot agree with your interpretation that the headline suggests a different story.
Parrotted repetition simply makes my point, and case stronger. You are choosing not to even consider the facts presented, so arguing on interpretation, not that much is needed, is fruitless. Hence my seeking to elevate to a level where at least a basic grasp of the issue may be engaged (if highlighting what is served up, costing time and money, at initial stages to try and make the problem go away).
However, if you still believe a specific breach of the BBC’s Editorial Guidelines has occurred, and you wish to pursue this complaint further, you can contact the BBC’s Editorial Complaints Unit, within 20 working days, and they will carry out an independent investigation.
You can write to them at the following address: Editorial Complaints Unit, Room 5170, White City, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TS. Alternatively you can e-mail the Unit at the address: ecu@bbc.co.uk, but please note that complaints submitted via e-mail must include a postal address as ECU findings are sent by letter.
Why 20 days? When the BBC gives itself carte blanche to respond as and when it feels like, if ever, with a breezy ‘sorry we’re late’. I have some outstanding over several months.
Why one set of rules for you, and a whole other set of demands, hurdles and constraints for those who are compelled to pay for your service, and find it wanting?
One that allows you to set deadlines such as this? The issue is not going to change in review over more time. The archive is clear and unequivocal. This is simply another way to impose a new hurdle to further act in distraction or dimsissal… NOT to actually resolve the issue.
These are legitimate questions, and I am getting tired of the BBC seeing itself as the only entity that can ever ask people anything, in the name of ‘holding power to account’ (Boaden. H – ironically at the top of the complaint process, but now infamous for claiming proudly an email address to nowhere to handle these. Classy). Then engaging in airy dismissal attempts or cover ups when called to account itself.
I also asked other questions in my previous response, which again you have chosen to ignore.
Why no complaint log number for this one? Or a person? Is this another ‘we may read it; maybe we won’t’ version?
The BBC complaint system is a farce.
I suggest it is given a root and branch purge of clearly compromised staff, and a redesign to be made consistent, as well as properly accountable.
And quick. Your credibility is not exactly at the highest bar for an entity making so many mistakes, and hiding from them will only make what is bad a lot worse. It goes beyond unprofessional, and is a clear institutional act of bad faith, for which I, as a compelled licence fee payer fed up with policy being shaped in my name, often by inaccuracy and partial unprofessional media actions, do not approve going out. And for which I hold those up to the very top to account.
Sorry. Being mucked about by makweight jobsworth idiots who are (it appears) immune to logic and accountability makes me grumpy >:o
Nice effort, My Site. It does seem like an obvious thing to get right for a media organization supposedly so obsessed with impartiality. Context is for other people to worry about.
Yes, the rules seem to be all one way: You must do this in this particular way and by this arbitrary time limit because we say so.
Do we have a service level agreement for the Beeboid Corporation’s handling of complaints? If not, why not?
‘You must do this in this particular way and by this arbitrary time limit because we say so.’
I have just raised this, with a few other issues, in the elevated complaint to the ECU, sent just now within deadline, along with a refusal to accept their demanded, presumed precedent in dancing to their tune, plus a few others (like not sharing anything with anyone).
Will be interested in what comes back.
The bBC, its hatred of the US and half the story
Iran ‘to accept payment in gold for oil’
Iran is to accept gold instead of dollars as payment for its oil, the country’s state news agency has said.
Wow, according to the world renowned bBC the Iranians have stopped dealing in the US dollar. But hang on what’s this from the bBC in 2006:
Dollar dropped in Iran asset move
Iran is to shift its foreign currency reserves from dollar to euro and use the euro for oil deals in response to US-led pressure on its economy.
And here’s a little something from Reuters in 2007:
Iran stops selling oil in U.S. dollars –report
Iran has completely stopped selling any of its oil for U.S. dollars, an Iranian news agency reported on Saturday, citing the oil minister of the world’s fourth-largest crude producer.The ISNA news agency did not give a direct quote from Oil Minister Gholamhossein Nozari. A senior oil official last month said “nearly all” of Iran’s crude oil sales were now being paid for in non-U.S. currencies.For nearly two years, OPEC’s second biggest producer has been reducing its exposure to the dollar, saying the weak U.S. currency is eroding its purchasing power.
So really the bBC news report should be explaining how the Iranians have ditched the Euro in favour of gold, but instead it states the dollar. Gee I wonder why the Iranians have ditched the Euro and why the bBC don’t explain that and why?
This reads like an Iranian press release. It’s silly posturing from Iran, yet is treated like a serious news item.
I like the programme The Life Scientific. Or, I thought I did until I heard the latest episode.
Doctor Chalmers went to Gaza
in a shower of rain.
He stepped in a puddle right up to his middle and
went there several times again.
Dr. Chalmers has learned a valuable lesson, which is to discard eminence-based guidance and stick to evidence-based guidance. Pity, then that he disregarded this principle when he opined so emphatically and partially about why he went to Gaza in 1967.
“I went to the Gaza strip to work for UNRWA, because I was deeply ashamed by what my country, Britain, had done to betray the people of Palestine, from 1917 onwards; and its still continuing. Israel had already occupied Gaza by that time.”
What did he mean, ‘the people of Palestine?’ Did he mean all the people who happened to live there in 1917? Or just the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians? I wonder.
Using his catch-phrase ‘sKepticemia’ he went on to explain that you mustn’t take other peoples’ opinions on trust, but must make sure that you use important all-round, peer reviewed, gold standard, everything out in the open, scientifically scrutinised guidance …..otherwise you might do more harm than good.
Excellent theory.
And re. the ‘under-publishing’ of data. “There’s a bias against [publishing] studies that have disappointing results………..” No kidding!
“Have you gone back to Gaza?”
“I have been back there at intervals. But I probably won’t be going again unless I’m asked. It’s easy to do more harm than good when you don’t know about the culture.”
Yes, dear doctor, you must respect Hamas’s culture.
Oh Doctor, do tell, what did you learn from the cultural clash you found in Gaza?
I mean systematic, evidence based, peer-reviewed, reliable – and don’t forget, if you’ve got the wrong evidence people can die – what did you learn, using that kind of evidence-based guidance?
Not a lot, I’ll wager.
Apart from that, the Cochrane Collaboration sounds great.
Mark Mardell ends his brief report on Romney’s victories in Michigan and Arizona with this gem:
The longer this goes on, the more questions will be raised about how much the mud-slinging and Romney’s rush to the right has damaged his chances in that more important contest.
Firstly, the mud-slinging isn’t any worse this time than in previous elections, despite the protestions from the left-wing media, and calls from some of the lamer on the right that infighting weakens the eventual challenger to the President (which I don’t buy). The only national election in my lifetime where there has been slightly less was the last one, and that’s only cos He is black.
But seriously: “rush to the right”? Since when? The whole problem with Romney is that he hasn’t done. Haven’t we been hearing that Republicans don’t think he’s conservative enough, and has liberal positions on certain issues?
I think Mardell is projecting his own political perspective there.
Mark Mardell tweets: So Romney squeaks home. It highlights his continuing problem. Republicans vote for him with their head, but not their heart.
What Mardell has not yet understood is that Republicans will vote AGAINST President Obema with their heads, hearts and souls. So far I don’t think anyone in theUK (thanks to Mardell and his ilk) understands the real mood of America.
What Mardell misses here – possibly because he’s too caught up for the moment in the Republican race to consider the wider factors of a general election – is that it’s not going to be just about whether or not Republicans back their candidate in Independents and the contemporary equivalent of Reagan Democrats are more important than how enthusiastic conservatives are going to be in November. Whatever “mud-slinging” is going on now won’t really be remembered by October. They’re not going to be overly concerned about any “rush to the right”, either, because that’s a far-Left perspective, not one from the middle ground.
But still, it’s funny how I don’t remember Mardell’s predecessor moaning about how the Democrats needed to choose a candidate already and that dragging it on would only harm the eventual candidate. Oh, right, that’s because we had the historic superficial issues of gender and race, which are more important than substance.
Help needed anybody speak Spanish and if so could they give the run down on this bBC latin american broadcast where they interview british people in london on their views ont he falklands. The impression I get, is the bBC reports that the British feel the Islands should be handed over to Argentina.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mundo/noticias/2012/02/120213_video_malvinas_argentina_testimonios_az.shtml
I’ll reserve judgement too, but have a funny feeling that when the BBC says it speaks for the nation, it is not necessarily the one you may first presume. If you are British, that is.
If not, along with a few other questions currently stalled in Aunty’s upper regions, I may have a few more to pose, holding to account-wise.
ps: Is it an Editor’s Guideline’ with the BritishBC to lead with Malvinas at each reference?
pps: I wonder how many cheeky Cockerney chappies interviewed knew this was BY the BBC FOR the Argentinians, and hence they were collaborating in a Haw-Hawesque broadcast?
ppps: and of those who did know, and still felt moved to opine on the relative Britishness of Falkland Islanders, how mnay were not tasked on their views as to that status of fellow, closer to home residents currently enjoying this nation’s famous hospitality?
‘This is the BBC…calling. BBC calling’
As there is clearly a coalition of the trilling being assembled, the Falklanders, and the memory of those who died to support their legitimate rights, needs support at all tunrs.
It appears that when it comes to undercutting the more subtle efforts by the Goebellsesque expert 5th column within the UK’s media monopoly, there are some cannon fodder doing sterling work on the forlon hope front in luvviedom:
Tony Parsons @TonyParsonsUK
Pink Floyd star Roger Waters declares, “The Falklands should be Argentinian.” Coming soon – Phil Collins puts the Arab Spring back on track
Poor humour aside, if the national broadcaster gets much more overt underming the UK and its forces’ safety with my compelled financial support, I am pulling my licence fee DD on the basis I may be accused of bankrolling treason, and £1000 fine is better than the Tower.. if a jury still finds my reasoning unsound.
I was unimpressed by Waters’ anti-Thatcher and Belgrano references on The Final Cut back in 1983. Even though I know a lot more about the conflict now, my opinion hasn’t changed.
You’re right about the content of that album, but it’s easily explained. Roger Waters is a miserable, Communist sympathising twat. He’s also known to be an egomaniac and a control freak, which explains his politcal leanings. The Final Cut was really the first Roger Waters solo album. The rest of the band removed themselves from the credits, the recording process having been so unpleasant and the results so unsatisfactory due to Waters’ mania.
Here’s a quote from Waters at the time…
The Final Cut was about how, with the introduction of the Welfare State, we felt we were moving forward into something resembling a liberal country where we would all look after one another…but I’d seen all that chiselled away, and I’d seen a return to an almost Dickensian society under Margaret Thatcher. I felt then, as now, that the British government should have pursued diplomatic avenues, rather than steaming in the moment that task force arrived in the South Atlantic.
I bet he loves the coalition!!
His second solo album, Radio Kaos, has an incredibly ridiculous ‘concept’ which is really not worth going into. However, it clearly expresses some degree of ‘understanding’ for the notorious incident during the miners’ strike in which a taxi driver was killed by a concrete block dropped from a motorway overpass whilst he was driving a non-striking miner to work.
The dedication in the Sleeve notes says:
“This album is dedicated to anyone who finds themselves at the violent end of monetarism”
Pretentious wanker.
I love the Floyd & Gilmour’s playing as much as I hate Waters’ lefty political grandstanding.
I couldn’t stand Radio Kaos. Childish posturing, poor music.
Waters has also carried a pyschological scar from birth about losing his father in war. He never knew his father, as he was killed in WWII, due to what was some bad leadershp decision or something. Waters has held that grudge his entire life. It has informed a significant portion of his output.
By his own admission, he was also a Socialist until he got rich. Now he’s a Champagne Socialist. and a bully. Of course, he grew up in Cambridge amongst the children of the elite academia, so it’s hardly surprising.
Champagne Socialist is right. Nick Mason once recounted how outraged Waters was when the rest of the band bought large manor homes in the country when they finally hit the big time. He lambasted them for ‘selling out’. Many years later, when Waters had himself purchased a large country pile, Mason reminded him of his previous disapproval, to which he replied “it’s different, I only bought it to please my wife”. The Prescott excuse for hypocrisy.
He’s also a defender of fox hunting, and attended one of the Countryside Alliance marches. Very socialist.
Just found this article – an interview with Roger Waters from 2008…
This quote jumps out…
“That’s the most elevating and exciting thing about the race for the Democratic position: Obama’s money is coming from the people! It’s coming from small contributions from people with access to computers. And that is very exciting.”
I wonder how he feels now that most of Obama’s money is coming from the banks – Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan.
I ran the text through the Google translator. There is some naughtiness in there.
“Her [Mrs Thatcher’s] fights against unions had affected her popularity before the war.
Although her popularity was growing, the war benefited popularity by 53%, according to Ipsos surveys made at the time.”
Thiere s is an ofter heard left wing argument – Thatcher would have never won in 1983 but for the Falklands War. The writer alludes to this with a quote from The British Journal of Polical Science.
“The firm and resolute position of Lady Thatcher during the Falklands crisis in 1982 had to do with the restoration of the Conservative Party in the run up to the general election of 1983″
British Journal of Political Science in 1987.
But if you look up that quote, it’s remarkably similar to this one from the same source, and just look how it continues.
Mrs Thatcher’s decisive and determined stand during the Falklands crisis in 1982 has been widely credited with restoring the electoral fortunes of the Conservative party in the run-up to the 1983 general election. This article argues that the Falklands war produced a boost to Conservative popularity of at most three percentage points for a period of only three months.
Doesn’t fit the narrative and so it was left out. Naughty, naughty, Senor Beeboid.
‘I ran the text through the Google translator.’
Tx, for that.
But I’d echo, and repeat pounce’s plea for a proper trnaslation to ensure fairness and accuracy (not a BBc trait, but one I think only reasonable if engaged in detail critique).
‘Hola, a nadie hablar bien el español y puede ayudar?’
I still feel there is a story here that needs further pursuit.
I don’t like narratives, and I don’t like editorial by omission. But I really don’t like editorial bias to favour the UK’s foes and put our armed forces in further harm’s way.
That is treason by propaganda with no excuse, and if substantial, they need to be held to account.
Something enjoyable for this special Leap Year day, folks! Google has a charming cartoon for http://www.google.co.uk/ and a link to an excerpt from The Barber of Seville for what would have been Rossini’s 220th birthday:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/02/29/gioachino-rossini-gets-a-google-doodle-for-his-220th-birthday-or-is-it-his-53rd/
And Beeboid Radio 3 played the ouverture by at 37mins 55secs to 45 15 here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b01c9r7n
Not sure when this aired, but it’s new to me. Check out the biased BBC Narrative on Herman Cain spouted by Paxman on Newsnight.
After Cain explained that he dropped out of the race because it was impossible to prove his innocence over the sexual allegations and didn’t like the toll it was taking on his family, Paxman’s next question was this:
“Why do you think you couldn’t cut it in that race?”
As Cain replied, au contraire. He was in doing very well at the time the allegations hit, BBC. I know you all dismissed him from the start, ignored him for the longest time, and still belittled his candidacy at every opportunity even while he was rising in the polls, but he was basically at the top when this all went down. Yet they act as if that wasn’t the case.
It’s pure bias, and denies the reality of what was happening at the time. That doesn’t mean he would be winning now, nor am I denying that one foreign policy faux pas on Libya which hurt him a bit. But it’s simply false to say Cain couldn’t cut it when he was a front-runner when the accusations hit.
Cain’s common sense answer to Paxman’s next question about not being able to name the President of Uzbekistan shows how twisted everyone’s – not just the BBC’s – perception of leadership has become. Then there’s more common sense after that.
I don’t know what purpose Mr. Paxman is suppose to serve in any function, but he is clearly unfit for the one he is served to us to present now.
Paxman is a joke, he’s easy to see through. Regardless of the answers a guest gives he just prattles out his standard questions.
Just dull bollocks.
BBC TV news is a hoot, so far we’ve had fat shit Prescott and man hating Hattie Harman.
Classic from Emily titless to Prescott “so do you think he [James Murdoch] will go to jail then?”
When it comes to this whole hacking nonsense the BBC really have gone over the line, I really can’t see how if charged either Murdoch or Bookes could get a fair trial. The tapes from the BBC shown in court would be enough to get a judge to throw out the case.
Compare that to Eric Joyce last week where right from the off before Joyce was charged the BBC kept stating “he’s not been charged yet so we must still be careful what we say”
It’s the same with the two that got done for the murder of Stephen Lawrence, the BBC had them guilty beofre they go into court.
How the bBC inserts its leftwing agenda into the minds of the those who don’t know the full facts.
Kenya terrorism police probe link to 7/7 bomber widow
Kenyan police are seeking a terrorism suspect who has used identities including, it is believed, a widow of one of the 7/7 London suicide bombers. The investigation is focused on a woman whose passport picture bears a strong likeness to Samantha Lewthwaite, widow of Germaine Lindsay…. Samantha Lewthwaite was married to Lindsay, one of the four British men who detonated home-made bombs in London on 7 July 2005. He killed half of the 52 victims on the day, when his device exploded on a packed London Underground train. Both were converts to Islam in their teens but apparently had received no formally recognised education in the religion.
So, like all the bleeding apologists for the Muslims (yes bBC Muslims) who murdered 52 innocent people in London that day in 2005 who played the “they weren’t Muslims card” the bBC pushes out the line that Lindsey and his bint while they had converted to Islam hadn’t received any formally recognised training. Well here’s a f-ing question from an Ex Muslim to the plastic muslims who run the bBC:
What formal training does a muslim need to become a Muslim. Me, I’ve no foreskin, which is a lot more than the complete pricks who continue to suck up to radical Islam all they can. In fact there is no formal recognised training to become a Muslim. You are or you aren’t. It’s as simple as that. No certificates, No degree, in fact no paperwork whatsoever to recognise that you have been brainwashed to be a moaning little thug who has a penchant for little girls.
Argentina pursuing policy of confrontation, says No 10
Downing Street has accused Argentina of pursuing a “policy of confrontation” over the Falkland Islands…….. The UK, which has controlled the Falklands since 1833, says there can be no negotiations on sovereignty as long as the 3,000 Islanders wish to remain British.
Controlled bBC, don’t you mean owned , controlled gives the impression that we are running it for somebody else, you know like the rightful owners gee I wonder who the wankers at the bBC have in mind.
The bBC the traitors in our Midst.
Yes.
Translation of INBBC’s Mr CASCIANI’s headline:
‘Kenyan terorism’ = ISLAMIC JIHAD:
INBBC’s words:
“Kenya terrorism police probe link to 7/7 bomber widow”
By INBBC’s CoJo-speak, Dominic Casciani.
By the way, Mr Casciani, even the censored INBBC ‘report’ shows, from the photograph used, that Islam is not a ‘race’.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17209899
How the bBC remakes a terrorist org into caring fluffy bunnies for leaving a sinking ship.
Hamas political leaders leave Syria for Egypt and Qatar
The political leadership of the Palestinian Islamist group, Hamas, has moved from Syria to Egypt and Qatar. Deputy political leader Moussa Abu Marzouk, now based in Cairo, said Hamas could not operate effectively due to the unrest in its long-time ally.. “Our position on Syria is that we are not with the regime in its security solution, and we respect the will of the people,” he added He said Hamas wanted to keep its ties with Iran, but stood up to the government in Tehran in refusing to publicly support President Assad. “The Iranians are not happy with our position on Syria, and when they are not happy, they don’t deal with you in the same old way.”
Ah bless the theological autocratic political terrorist org which forbids free speech in the tiny enclaves it runs is giving the oxygen of publicity to claim it is all for freedom of expression. Err bBC..Islam and free speech..Yer having a giraffe. But then in which to suck up to allah just that little bit more the bBC comes out with:
A member of the Hamas political bureau recently said Iran had been the main financial supporter of the Hamas government in Gaza, and that without Iranian money it would not be able to pay its 45,000 employees.
Would that be the Hamas Government which had its Iranian funding cut last August because they (after the kicking they got the other year from the neighbours for the fight they started and lost ) refused to open a new front in which to take the worlds eyes off Syria??
Yet the bBC spreads this image they need the money because the nasty jews have it all. (Haven’t been to any Islamic country and looked around then I take it)
The bBC the traitors in our Midst.
Way way off topic but this bugs me….Liverpool orientated Beeboid commentators on radio have been united in their cry for Steven Gerrard to be the England soccer captain.
Tonight they are pissed off that Scott Parker has been given the armband.
It is like the General Election result all over again. No good will come of it that their boy has lost out.
Alan Green is as big a wanker as Stephen Nolan.
After this performance, Jenny Tonge was given an ultimatum by Nick Clegg (at last) and she issued this statement.
“The comments I made have been taken completely out of context. They followed a very ill tempered meeting in which Zionist campaigners attempted continually to disrupt proceedings. They mouthed obscenities at the panelists, to the extent that University security attempted to remove them from the premises.
“The comments I made were in protest at the treatment of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank and the treatment of Israeli Arabs.
“I am disappointed the leadership of my party did not consult me before issuing a press release and seems always to abet the request of the pro-Israel lobby. Israel is acting against international law, the Geneva conventions, and Human Rights. They do this with impunity and if our political parties will not take action then individuals must.
“I have been asked to apologise but refuse to do so and resign the whip of my party.”
Plenty of reports/ tweets/blogs about this. So far nothing on the BBC.
I for one will happily wear my Red Nose or pretend to find Lenny Henry amusing, if the resulting money raised goes towards buying Jihad Jenny her suicide vest…the one that she said she would have worn had she been born Palestinian.
Oh Jenny love…aren`t we ALL Palestinians now…and there`s a falafal in it for you if you stand close to Shirley Williams when you`re doing it…
Work experience and the Socialist Workers Party
Is it all the work of a small group of communists intent on ruining the life-chances of young people? Or is it simply a case of business taking notice of widespread unhappiness about “slave labour” and changing its ways?
I notice they don’t campaign outside Apple shops complaining about the slavery in their Chinese production facilities.
I wonder why?
Business is always cowardly. Always worried about so called negative publicity. It is this obsession with the bottom line. The companies just do not want the aggravation. Why should they? It is not going to make them any money. Let the Right to Work lot create the jobs. They obviously know how to do it. Let them get on with it. Ask the BBC to help . I am sure that organisation is full of great ideas.
To understand the full impact of the BBC bias involved in this thread you have to read this article first to see just who Cynthia Bower is, what it is she’s done (or more accurately failed to do), and what she’s got away with.
Left-wingers are quick to attack greedy bankers. So why are they letting Cynthia Bower off the hook?
With all this in mind, see how the BBC have reported her ‘resignation’. Would you believe they are writing about the same person?
Care regulator head leaves post
Any intelligent person would deem health to be more important than money, and the negative impact this woman’s gross negligence has had on the people in her care has been massive. I hope the families of those affected by this will sue her for everything she has, or will ever have.
As it stands she receives an indecent amount of money, for complete failure. The BBC weren’t shy about demonizing the bankers, yet see how they report the story of this woman, who is guilty of far greater unethical and immoral behaviour, betraying completely the trust placed in her.
By coincidence, James Murdoch has resigned from News International today.
Just see how many stories the BBC have devoted to this, compared to those on Bower. Do you think they have their priorities wrong?
‘compared to those on Bower. Do you think they have their priorities wrong?’
Interesting that they seem very keen today on pointing out the main problem with elder care is staff calling their charges ‘Dearie’.
So, in answer to your question I’d say yes, just a bit.
The BBC are not just part of the problem, they promote it and interecpt any attempt at correcting it.
That… is hard to accept, or forgive, in any entity that makes the po-faced claim to hold power to account.
Glad you reminded us about this woman swanning off with the blood of countless patients on her hands from mid-Staffs,2007.
No surprise then that the BBC say NOTHING about this serial troughing incompetent who has form since she began to turn the NHS into slush in the midlands back in 2000.
This woman seems entitlted to tell us that we are not to refer to the old as “bedblockers”….given her record, assault victims or cadavers might be “more appropriate for any poor old dear that finds himself anywhere near where Cynthia practices by stealth what Shipman at least did in public…and didn`t cost us anything like this woman has.
Only Labour would have appointed mid-Staffs Lizzie Borden and put her in charge of the whole national inspectorate for the old-Sharon Shoesmith would by now have been lined up to replace her, has we not got rid of Balls and his like.
And-on a day when Huhne gets a £17,000 payoff and Jihad Jenny Tonge can rub Jewish faces in the ashes of their forefathers-then it`s best to stay focussed on the Olympics and James Murdoch….neither of who threaten the nations old folk like Bowere did and does…
Well as long as she doesn`t call them “dear”, she`s alright eh?…
10/10 for brass neck anyway…
‘it`s best to stay focussed on the Olympics and James Murdoch…’
For balance…
Some may know I am often moved to share some personal audience thoughts with those who presume to educate and inform us via a very privileged set of criteria on our limited airwaves, especially with claims of speaking for ‘us’.
I have just shared this with SKY under the title: ‘Mehdi – neither rare nor well done’
Ok, a bit of diversity is fine. Political. Ideological. Ethnic. Age. Whatever.
Even a bit of heat to mix in with the light.
Which is why I find the newspaper reviews a welcome break from the drier aspects of the morning news.
However, when Mr. Hassan appears, which is a lot, I simply switch off, if seldom quick enough to miss the predictable drivel that issues from this poisonous little one-trick pony’s mouth.
I don’t know if you wheel this oaf on as a penance, or some kind of balance deal like BBC unleashing a Clarkson once in a blue moon, but he offers no value whatsoever, being obsessed on a narrow band of straw-man, cherry-picked prejudices that he bangs on hypocritically, incessantly and often free of irony, if assured that he can because of his special ‘ism’ status and snappy suits.
He represents a paper that has a minute following, yet is pervasive to spew his bile across SKY and other channels constantly, one presumes because his extreme views create reaction (like this), and that means ratings. But not if, as I have done, the screen is now blank. That won’t hurt a BBC; I hope your advertisers will however take note.
I hold no candle for the Murdochs, or the NI empire, but in the great news scheme of things they are all trivial and irrelevant. Yet they are continually boosted to prominence over worthier stories by indulging such a person. One whose real face I have seen, and it is not a pretty one.
And one, in concert with the direction of dumbed down, so-called ‘news’ media that is anything but, that is dragging this fine country further down.
You should be ashamed.
I know you always ‘ask for our views’, and wish I could edit this to fit the 140 character soundbite mindset that passes for discussing issues of the day in your world, but it really is not worth the effort.
I share it here only because it would be wasted otherwise, and there is a slim chance that one of those advertisers, or maybe a broadcaster in SKY with some measure of professional integrity may be left to pause a moment. There are many whose views are worth hearing, from all walks of life. Mehdi Hassan is not one that needs to be heard very often.
The BBC’s guest bookers are, of course, a lost cause.
“a slim chance that one of those advertisers…may be left to pause”
As noted previously in this thread, business is cowardly in the face of a vocal campaign. It doesn’t have to be large. The vocal bit is, however, important. And that is the difficulty those on “our side” (for want of a better term) face. Most of us are too busy earning a living to do more than chip in during our coffee break and in any case we do not have the, ahem, contacts at the BBC to ensure that a megaphone is applied to the vocals.
This Care Quality Commission is a creation cobbled together from three previously existing separate bodies – a healthcare commission and two others overseeing mental health and social care. As with other recent cases such as merging the Inland Revenue with Customs & Excise and the Commission for Racial Equality with the Equal Opportunities Commission and the Disability Rights Commission, this seems to have created an unwieldy unmanageable beast of an organisation that barely functions at the most basic level in carrying out the job it is supposed to be doing. These disasters are well known but still seem to keep happening. I have had personal experience of the shambles that the Inland Revenue has become compared with what it was. I look back now and marvel at the days when you knew their name, office, address and telephone number and could ring them and speak to an identifiable intelligent form of life and sort out a problem in a straightforward manner. Now you have no idea who they are or where they are: it is all faceless anonymous automatoms who could be anyone, anywhere and are no use whatsoever at problem solving or actually doing anything. They can’t get the simplest thing right and make the most egregious errors and they haven’t got the wit to put anything right, either.
We know how INBBC, Guardianistas, S. Chakrabarti, etc, campaign to close down GUANTANAMO……
1.) ‘Jihadwatch’
“U.S.-educated Misunderstander of Islam pleads guilty to jihad war crimes, turns government witness”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/us-educated-misunderstander-of-islam-pleads-guilty-to-jihad-war-crimes-turns-government-witness.html
2.) INBBC:
“Guantanamo detainee Majid Khan admits terror charges”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17203218
The implication from INBBC’s ludicrous ‘reporting’ is that as Khan claims he is not connected with al Qaeda then he is not an Islamic extremist, by INBBC’s absurd definition! But as ‘Jihadwatch’ says, Khan was an al-Qaeda footsoldier.
Fury as Israeli footballer is subjected to vile Holocaust songs and Heil Hitler! salute by German fans <img src=”http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/02/29/article-2108040-11F77BF4000005DC-740_87x84.jpg” alt=”Verbal abuse: Israeli forward Itay Shechter (left) was the subject of taunts”/>
German football authorities have vowed to crackdown on racism after Itay Shechter was abused during a Kaiserslautern practice session.
Where is the BBC led outrage? No BBC produced rage, no BBC airtime for enraged human rights and anti racist groups, its only a Jew right? Its not like Jews are real people with feelings like blacks and muslims.
Perhaps an experiment is needed. At one match, a group of spectators do the nazi salute to a Jewish footballer. At another, equally prominent match, a different group unfurl a banner with an unflattering picture of Mohammed.
Sit back and see what is talked about more and members of which religion see the need to riot more.
If Britain were Greece… – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17202274
I wonder if the BBC realise that they are talking about what Britain would look like now if Labour had won the last election…
Jeff
Whoop-Whoop…Starkey alert!!!!!!!!!!
Question Time Panel…
John Redwood – Very logical, Captain.
Rachel Reeves – Shadow blah blah, Oh gawd not her again!
Jo Swinson – LibDem, whatever.
David Starkey – James Delingpole’s surrogate father.
Clarke Carlisle – Something to do with footy?
Jo Swinson – LibDem, whatever.
—————————————————
How very dare you. Do you not realise Jo Swinson has launched the Campaign For Body Confidence because ‘Beauty is more than just an image and the extremes of airbrushing can be incredibly damaging. It is a complete fantasy and is never going to be attainable’.
Yeah, whatevs, luv. 🙁
I’ll be happy when all of the LibDems are airbrushed out of government. 😉
Hmm, anyone want to bet if Joyce were a TORY SCUMBAG the BBC wouldn’t be hiding this story?
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2012/03/01/shamed-mp-eric-joyce-s-political-career-in-tatters-as-details-emerge-of-a-secret-affair-with-schoolgirl-86908-23770566/#.T08lZP629j4.twitter
Beat me to it.
If it were a Tory it would be splashed over every BBC outlet.
I wonder if it will get a mention anywhere?
Correct me if I am incorrect. The Sexual Offences (Amendment) Act 2000 equalised the age of consent at 16 for all sexual acts (including, for the first time, lesbian acts), except those taking place between a child and someone “in a position of trust” (e.g. a teacher), where the age of consent was raised to 18.
Was Joyce in a position of trust? I somehow doubt it unless (and the law doesn’t help us here) there is some kind of sliding scale for age differences or candidate for e*ection (insert whatever letter you desire) and campaign helper. Actually if you ask the question, “Do you trust politicians I expect a majority would say no). Are school girls by definition off limits but school leavers fair game?
Speaking only for myself (male, married, middle aged – with two daughters whose friends are more or less the same age as Meg), a middle-aged man (woman?) having an affair with a schoolgirl is icky but not illegal. Nor does it make him unfit for office, certainly compared to false expenses requests or being involved in a common brawl. It may however make him unelectable and that in itself should be enough without taking a hypocritical moral high ground.
BTW If any of my friends when I was 17 and at school had done a Rod Stewart with a Maggie Mae he would have been a hero to all his mates.
The Daily Record is not the BBC but doesn’t publicising all the details about this young woman including photograph cross some sort of line?
Pleased to hear that Nicky Campbell has found his level at last.
This morning in the 5 Live phone in he celebrates the life and work of Davey Jones and the manufactured boy band the Monkees.
Can’t resist a reprise of (I’m not your) stepping stone
How appropriate to the BBC 5 Live crew is this….think of Campbell, Bacon and the rest of the girls?
I i i i i’m not your stepping stone
You’re trying to make your mark in society
Your using all the tricks that you used on me.
You’re reading all them high fashion magazines
The clothes you’re wearin’ girl are causing public scenes.
I i i i i’m not your stepping stone
When i first met you girl you didn’t have no shoes
Now you’re walking ’round like you’re front page news.
You’ve been awful careful ’bout the friends you choose
But you won’t find my name in your book of who’s who.
Sorry, I feel quite strongly about this.
Any chance of getting a proper transcript of this, repeating a post that pounce found a while ago?:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mundo/noticias/2012/02/120213_video_malvinas_argentina_testimonios_az.shtml
I don’t like what snatches of the set up I do hear, but would like to have a proper grasp of all that is said in Spanish and also in English, and indeed then turned into Spanish.
I wonder, can I request this from the BBC themselves? Or would asking them to justify what they pump out as accurate and faithful suddenly get an FoI legal exclusion thrown up?
To protect their ‘sources’ and ‘journalism’?
I speak fluent Spanish My Site, and I have to say that of the four people interviewed only one, the second one, opined that Britain should give the islands to Argentina. He said that the islanders “weren’t really English” and that if there were another war it would be to distract people from the real problems.
The other older gentleman thought the islands should remain British and that a diplomatic solution should be sought, but he was pessimistic about that possibility.
On the whole I have to admit that the short video was fairly balanced.
Fair enough. Tx.
I mainly heard that overwritten ‘Not English’ effort, and thought that if this was portrayed as yer average man in the London street, the powers that be in Ms. K’s Wag The Dog cabinet might get an impression that could prove unfortunate. Again.
At least worth checking. Uniquely for some.
Imagine…
‘25% of UK support Malvinas!
Others undecided, but do not favour military option.‘
And if we had Chamberlain as PM, dodgy French Allies, Isolationist (when it suits) Yanks, denuded armed forces and a hostile bunch itching to misread any sign that a military adventure may just pay off.
At least the fuse settings will be right.
My Site – something you’ll probably appreciate…
Here’s a discussion on Sky News featuring Sir John Nott, Simon Weston and some Argentinian ‘academic’ who, apart from not sounding at all Argentinian, starts out rude and arrogant and just gets worse as things progress.
During the discussion Simon Weston says to the Sky News presenter “your academic friend there…” at which point he quips “He’s no friend of mine, Simon“. 😀
To be honest, the presenter let his professionalism slip just a little, but I think it was an understandable response to the academic’s sheer rudeness than any attempt to skew the debate. It’s also really good to see Simon Weston being given the opportunity to give his opinions on the issue, having suffered so much as a result of the Argentine invasion. Who of us who saw it will forget ‘Simon’s War’.
Hat-tip – Keep The Falklands British
‘Like’ this FaceBook page for occasional updates, which I’m sure will become more frequent as the anniversary approaches.
Tx… that beardie Prof. being pretty much the heat over light go-to guy on this, though I have not seen him of late. No loss.
You, in turn, may appreciate this:
Thank you for your email. There are no editorial reasons in this case for us to provide translations of this video and we are afraid it is not a service we are resourced to offer for members of the public.
In response to:
‘Fair vox pop representation of views’
‘I know, of course, I am entering ‘not us, gov’ purgatory here,
but you’re just going to have to work with me, and help, if so minded.
The views of a x-section of British views on an active, contentious subject,
are portrayed here, served up for a non-British national audience.
I’d be interested in what they were/are. I’d like a transcript of the BBC
staff VO text, what was said in English to camera, and what was translated
by VO.
I presume this either was or can be easily done, as would be for those hard
of hearing, partially sighted, etc.
Before commenting further I’d just like to be clear on how the British
Broadcasting Corporation has chosen to shape the story, via staff and edited
public input.
As I pay for it. And those I hold dear may again have to do so in more than
money if tensions are inflamed by any misrepresentations.
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OK, it was a punt, but after the last one when they flat out lied and tried to claim black was white and what I had enclosed didn’t exist, I figured I was owed.
Nifty how quick they came back, eh?
Still a litle intrigued at what they are, and are not ‘resourced to offer’ as regards ensuring their ouput is kosher, when the mnood takes.
Trust, gotta love it.
Under an appropriate name…you should ask them for a translation into Urdu, just to see what happens. 🙂
That’ll go straight to the diversity compliance/outreach coordination unit.
Over on the Order-Order site, Guido has published a photo of a board describing a discussion about to take place in Broadcasting house.
The board asks the following:
Is NHS reform a political story or a practical story?
To assist the BBC employees in making their mind up the BBC News health correspondent will be assisted by Paul Corrigan (advisor on healthcare to the last Labour government) and Nick Seddon (deputy director of the thinktank Reform)
I think we can safely state that this discussion will be rather negative about the Conservatives!
http://order-order.com/2012/03/01/beeb-doing-their-bit-for-lansley/
Apologies to Yes Minister, but I think it is about time that the well known exchange about newspaper readers was updated……
Hacker: Don’t tell me about the media, I know exactly who reads the media:….
* The Daily Mirror is read by people who think the Tories run the country;
* The Daily Mail is read by people who wish the Tories ran the country;
* The Guardian is read by people who actually do run the country;
* Blogs are read by people who think the country is going to hell in a handcart;
* The Financial Times is read by people who sold the country;
* Al Jazeera is watched by the people who bought the country;
* Backberry Messenger is used by people planning to get out on the streets and loot the country;
* The Economist is read by people who want to look clever;
* Twitter is used by people who want to look stupid;
* The Scottish Sun is read by people who want Scotland to be a separate country;
* The BBC is made by people who don’t want there to be any separate countries.
Sir Humphrey: What about people who surf the internet?
Bernard: People who surf the internet don’t care who runs the country as long as she’s got big tits.
First Prize! 😀
Perfect
How the bBC promotes this vision of British Anti-Semitism to the Arab world.
UK MP quits over Israel remarks
Liberal Democrat Baroness Tonge resigns from the party after refusing to withdraw her comment that Israel “is not going to be there forever”.
So according to the bBC a UK MP from the reigning government has resigned over after been rebuked for saying “Israel isn’t going to be there for ever.” Thus at a stroke perpetuating this view that everybody is agaisnt the Jew and that Jews hold inordinate power in the UK.
And what the bBC omits from this headline in the Middle-Eastern section of its joke of a News website…Jenny Tonge hasn’t been an MP since she retired in 2005. But hey why spoil the chance in which to spread its anti-Semitic message.
The bBC , the traitors in our Midst.
note the “proud record” highlights … maybe to el beeb eh!
to everyone else a traitorous sh-tbag
She’s echoed the sentiment felt by many at the BBC. I expect a hew and cry about free speech coming on.
Love the paragraph sub-heading:
‘Mouthed obscenities’
Afterwards Baroness Tonge said: “The comments I made have been taken completely out of context. They followed a very ill-tempered meeting in which Zionist campaigners attempted continually to disrupt proceedings.
“They mouthed obscenities at the panellists, to the extent that university security attempted to remove them from the premises.
Now the truth from somebody who was there:
http://richardmillett.wordpress.com/2012/02/24/ken-okeefe-compares-jewish-people-to-nazis/
Where to begin with last night’s event at Middlesex University’s campus in Hendon, North West London, sponsored by Interpal. It was billed as a discussion on “Is Israel an Apartheid State?“, but became an evening of unadulterated Jew hate.
The atmosphere was threatening. The highly aggressive chairperson Nik Roberts kept insisting on calling security to remove both dissenters and people wanting to film. I could only take limited footage. Two “authorised” people did film, so clips should be arriving on youtube soon.
There was a Jewish contingent of possibly 30 out of some 150 in the audience and much of the rhetoric seemed to be aimed directly at us.
There are videos too, including Tonge mouthing her vitriol.
Much more of this, and I foresee a BBC special called ‘Out of Context’, shot in darkest East Peckham with Meryl Streep, in the role of her life, playing a plucky, misunderstood Dianne Abbott’s efforts to restore the cruelly tarnished reputation of one of our enobled classes, a hotly prized other headline slot snagged by Newsnight regular Lord Creosote of Hypocrisy on account of his really underrtanding her motivations.
Silly minx should have accused Israel of witchcraft and it would never have rated a mention ever again in the ‘correct’ circles.
Last night I watched the Jewish couple going on their first holiday ‘Two Jews on a Cruise’ and thought it a pleasant interlude and quite enjoyable….to begin with. Then I realised…’we are supposed not to be enjoying this with them but to be laughing at them.’ Substitute a man with a full beard and a woman in a hijab and the programme would never have been made.
I didn’t watch it, but noticed the programme on the listings last night. I found something about that title a bit unsettling.
So David Rathband has served his purpose as far as the BBC by being “the victim of a crime that he could not come to terms with”.
Cue emoting and oodles of pity from the BBC shroud wavers as they head up to Blyth or somewhere nicer but nearby.
I though the Today programmes “tribute” to his death was appalling…Duncan Bannatyne would surely have got a good phone line if he was slagging off the Workfare scheme, as opposed to paying tribute to someone he actually KNEW.
Meanwhile the BBCs house “disability showhouse” of a presenter, Peter White…who only had met Rathband the once-and that merely to be put up on his show-he got plenty time to tell us about the “victim” of…well, disabilty, lack of therapies, Tory cuts…take your pick because they`ll all be getting trailed by the BBC.
White knew nothing about Rathband-but a Simon Weston would have understood….so why didn`t the BBC get him on(and he could have slaughtered the Beebs “suck up to the Malvinas tendency pro bono!).
Rathbands death tells us plenty about the scum who`ll be happy today at his death…who thought Moaty had been a bit harsh with the coppers, but didn`t deserve anything but a Bear Grylls commendation)…and , personally; the BBC will be happy to if it means that we get more Raj Persaud programmes soon, or we get to consider that Moat is a victim too-as they made clear at the time as I recall.
Despicable rushed and dismissive piece of crap to “honour” a amn who was blinded by their favourite jinglin` Geordie…bastards!
Current darling of the BBC, Owen Jones, described Raoul Moat in his loathsome book ‘Chavs’, as a working class hero. How dare he. Perhaps he would like to explain his reasons to the family and friends of PC Rathband? I never did finish reading Chavs; its hackneyed lefty arguments, combined with hectoring, smug, politics undergrad prose, was too much to bear. In light of recent events, I detest Jones even more.
Extremely sad news – Andrew Breitbart has died, aged only 43.
Inspirational guy, will be greatly missed.
RIP.
A great shame. Definately one of the good guys.
Apart from Toby Harnden and James Delingpole, Breitbart’s death appears to have so far gone almost unmentioned by the British media Twitterati. I bet most journalists over here, with their echo-chamber received-opinion views on US politics, have never even heard of him. And these are the people who like to portray US conservatives as ignorant.
Andrew Breitbart has died
Andrew Breitbart Remembered:
http://www.breitbart.com/
Sad loss. A blow to the stuggle against the media. Not sure anyone can fill his shoes.
“Not sure anyone can fill his shoes.” Irreplacable, but many have been inspired by the big “Fuck You!” he sent to the left-liberal media. I’m getting hammered right now – it’s what he would have wanted.
Adam Carolla/Andrew Breitbart interview from last year.
(Incidentally if you’re not listening to Adam Carolla’s podcast every weekday you need to change that right now, fellow Biased BBCers. Consistently better than anything on the BBC, and all with no licence fee.)
Andrew described by the BBC website as “fiery”. When Pilger shuffles off this mortal coil he’ll be described as “fearless”. Depends which side of the fence you’re on I guess.
RIP Breitbart.
How much coverage will the bBC give this case?
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/couple-guilty-witch-murder-142348702.html
Graham,
Witchcraft murder: Killers’ ‘obsession’ took on ‘feral character’
No mention of the “Christian” word anywhere.
B-BBC remains silent.
h.o.w…s.t.r.a.n.g.e…
Strange then that the BBC was very happy to mention their religion while hiding the religion of muslims who engage in the same kind of dark ages savagery. The BBC is fanatical about protecting and sustaining the myth of multiculturalism and how it has enriched the UK.
Even stranger that the BBC fails to mention that the mass importation of the 3rd world has brought 3rd world beliefs and practices to our shores. That in Africa this kind of stone age behaviour is rife and common and that while Chrisitanity has been adopted there is an underlying stone age interpretation of it. The BBC has been the cheerleader in chief of importing 3rd world Africa into the UK.
Except Newsnight last nigh Dez darling or didn’t you watch?
The BBC decided a while back that they would no longer consider any complaints by me (having previously decided that they would merely refuse to consider complaints of bias).
I appealed against this decision, but was today informed that my appeal was unsuccessful (surprise surprise!).
You can download the BBC’s long-winded explanation of why they turned down my appeal using this link: http://www.yousendit.com/download/M3BuV285UnFWRDhPd3NUQw
As I pointed in my reply, they’ve gone to a lot of trouble to stop me making complaints, considering that there’s nothing to stop me complaining using a pseudonym and a different IP address…
Jeff
Thanks Jeff … I’ll publish the result of my appeal when/if I ever receive it. http://lunchtimeloather.blogspot.com/
Jeff – Long-winded? If ever there was an example of quantity over quality (or indeed actually effort) this was it. 90% was them telling you what you had already told them. A summary may have been valid, but there was no actual attempt, even at this level, to dicuss the validity of the complaints.
They merely listed them all, decided they got it about right, and as you had spoiled their day raising their inaccuracy and bias they were banning you. The BBC assessing the BBC is a joke. Imagine if Assad announced he was setting up a human rights commission?
As you say, you can simply re-enter the fray in another guise, which shows what a mockery the system is. BUT I guess that is one reason they demand one’s address.
Online, there is a Newsnight poster who has changed incarnation monthly, and gets sussed within a few posts. He spends most of his time off topic accusing others of being right wing plants, so the BBC mods make exceptions to his rants until he steps over a line and has to get purged as it embarasses even them.
R2LTL – ”my appeal had to be on printed paper (because the BBC said so) and had to be received within 20 days (because the BBC said so) but the BBC can take as long as it likes to respond (because it suits the BBC) and only uses email to communicate with me (because it suits the BBC). Aren’t double standards great?’
Only if you have, and are supported in by law, a unique way of abusing such multiples.
Had my latest from the ECU and will share. One thing I will not be accpting by replying is the little bit tagged on that says, bascially, what happens between the BBC and an individaul they can post on the toilet doors on Hampstead Heath, but require you to keep as ‘their little secret’.
Thank you for sharing. Such experiences do help others, like me, negotiate the system and frame replies.
Meanwhile, enjoy the cancelled DD. Or your days in court if they decide you need to pay to be banned.
Thanks guys
It’s interesting that the BBC criticised me for wishing ‘to have a dialogue about minor issues or questions of news judgement’.
A forward-thinking organisation, committed to continual improvement, should welcome feedback about issues, however minor, as it will enable them to provide a better service in future. If someone can help improve things by 1%, then that should be 100% welcomed…
Jeff
‘BBC criticised me for wishing ‘to have a dialogue about minor issues or questions of news judgement’.
Keep thinking of the precedents their double standards set.
Imagine if a politician banned them from engaging for fussing with what they deem ‘minor issues of political judgement’..
Think there’d be a bit of a hissy-fit on rights to know and hold to account then?
Yet you.. we… still are required to pay… no matter what.
Unique.
Titian masterpiece Diana and Callisto saved for nation – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-17220446
The BBC seem to think that this is a great use of £45 million during a time of austerity…
The article tells us that £25 million of the money came from ‘National Gallery charitable reserves’. Why is the BBC not asking whether that’s an abuse of people’s charitable donations? And what’s the Lottery Heritage fund playing at by donating £3 million towards this painting? They could seriously enhance communities with that kind of money…
But the BBC have obviously decided that the purchase of the painting was a good thing, so they won’t be asking tough questions…
Jeff
Hello folks, guess who?
Its the graph lady come with gifts of graphs to brighten your day.
As the song goes, dont worry be happy. The polar ice cap is not melting away as the merchants of doom have predicted and promised for so long. You may remember the BBC slavishly reporting some trash scare stories about how the polar ice cap is on the verge of melting away. Enclosed for gratification are two graphs showing that all is well in the world of ice.
Enjoy. And BTW where is David Lysenko?
Unorthodox: Breaking away from the Hasidic community
Though a large Hasidic Judaism community in Brooklyn sits just across the river from bustling Manhattan, the neighbourhood looks a century away from modern life in New York City.
The way the Satmar sect dress – the round fur hat, the long black coat, the side curls and long beard – is the only knowledge most outsiders have about this closed community.
In her recently published autobiography, Unorthodox, 24-year-old Deborah Feldman reveals everything she knows about the condition of women within the group and what she calls the oppression of individual freedoms of its members.
OK – nothing wrong with this. Now I await a similarly ‘liberating’ treatment given to a young woman who decides to leave the religion of Islam behind, with details of the oppression of women, the backward culture, the isolation from the modern world, the indoctrination of young minds, the lack of assimilation. Of course, unlike the community in the story above, this wouldn’t just put her safety at risk but possibly her life, even in the UK. If such a story were to be run, I would expect to see the apostate’s identity obscured, both visually and vocally, unlike the young woman featured here. Once again, we see the BBC picking an easy target, whilst maintaining the silence over the much greater problem.
The excellent Somali born woman, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, has spoken out with great courage about Islam’s degradation of women. She now enjoys round-the-clock protection. Yep, those moon jockeys are man enough to take a little criticism. And pigs will fly into tall glassy buildings.
The BBC doesn’t generally have a problem with Judaism so long as it can be separated from Israel, something the Satmars have done, as opposed to most ultra Orthodox who have either become pro Zionist or at least neutral. Usually ‘good’ Jews are slotted into two categories: strange food and dress or innocent victims of the Nazis. In either category the BBC gives Judaism about as much exposure as their percentage of the population would require.
Clearly this young lady was trying to market her book so obscuring her identity was the last thing on her mind. (BTW Not that I have any problem with that). Be aware the Satmars don’t watch television and if they did they would hardly be tuned to the BBC. Hassidic women do not wear birqa or hijab so it is not likely her uncovered face would be an issue.
I would be interested to know what she feared. Leaving aside all religious connections if she had simply ran away with her child she could reasonably worry about a bitter custody hearing or in an extreme case kidnapping of the child by the father. But that is not something exclusive to the Satmars.
Intriguingly the BBC mentions nothing about the husband, who according to another site has been virtually exiled Her husband currently lives on the fringe of the Satmar community, wearing a short beard and jeans, as there is no place for divorced individuals. Given they he probably received the same education (or lack of it) as she did he would be a double victim in losing his wife, child, all status and the culture that unlike her he wanted to stay in.
Just a few comparisons between the BBC’s News at Six and ITV’s 6.30 News:
Last Friday’s ITV News put the arrest of Labour’s Eric Joyce at No.3 in its running order. The BBC placed it at No.8 – and spent less time on it. The ITV report mentioned Joyce’s failure to provide a breath test in 2010. The BBC provided no such back history but tried its best to generalise the story: (George A: “THIS WILL DO NOTHING FOR THE REPUTATION OF MPS, IAIN.” Iain W: “PERHAPS NOT GEORGE”. “MPS FROM ALL PARTIES GET TOGETHER TO DRINK SUBSIDISED BEER” “USUALLY THE POLICE ARE IN HERE TO PROTECT MPS. TONIGHT, GEORGE, THEY’RE IN HERE INVESTIGATING THEM”.]
This Tuesday’s BBC News spent three-and-a-half minutes on the end of the Occupy protests at St. Paul’s & placed the story at No.3 in its running order. ITV News ignored the ex-Occupiers completely, but spent three minutes instead on a protest by motorists and hauliers against high diesel prices – which the BBC completely ignored – and on the British businessman recently extradited to the U.S., who was in court in Texas that night, which the BBC also completely ignored. The BBC also found time to push a scary angle on the Fukishima nuclear power plant and tugged at our heartstrings with a sad tale of unhappy illegal immigrants.
Yesterday’s ITV News featured the story of the British wife of one of the 7/7 terrorists, who is herself wanted on allegations of involvement in terrorism in Kenya. That wasn’t a story to be found on the main BBC News bulletin.
Tonight’s ITV News reported on the call by 500 business leaders to scrap the 50p top tax rate. The BBC News at Six ignored that story completel.
Different priorities for different news organisations.
Thanks Craig…maybe you could do us a module on how we could collate evidence like this…then go on the BBC to tell them from our “bush university” that they`re not checking how sly and “subconsciously stupid, ignorant and prejudiced” they are.
poor lambs can`t help it-and if they had their “consciousness raised” and fined out of the licence fees by us all…then they might “come round” to being other than the “grotesque chaos” that they represent.
Good stuff-thank you!
Believe it or not, despite the murders, atrocities, stories like
Egypt: Copts protest disappearance of Christian girls… again
U.S. pays $5 million in jizya to buy freedom for Americans held in Egypt
Egypt: Christian man jailed for 6 years for “contempt of religion,” insulting Muhammad
I raq: Muslim student murders Christian teacher he suspected of proselytizing,
each of which the BBC manage to ignore completely, they do however think this story is worthy of number 3 in their order of Mid-East NewsThousands compete in Gaza marathon despite cold weather
Whereas more genuine news providers (picture below), as opposed to propaganda outlets, don’t deem it worthy of mention on their main page at all, but you can see the kind of stories that the BBC, who want you to think of itself as a national treasure, ignore altogether. They’ll probably blame it on cuts if you were to raise a complaint.
Here’s the intro the BBC have written on their main page to ‘grab’ their audience Gaza marathon attracts thousands
Thousands of runners take part in the Gaza Strip’s second-ever marathon, braving freezing weather conditions and strong winds.
Now looking at the weather forecast for the area it shows a high of 13deg C, and a low of 6deg C. Since the high is usually during the day, which is when this marathon took place, it’s far from ‘freezing’ which is 0deg C. But then the BBC never let accuracy get in the way of their reports.
The story itself is nothing more than a political party message on behalf of Hamas and the Palestinians, which one could have guessed it would be, seeing they covered it at all.
“I’m very happy,” Mr Masri told the AFP news agency after finishing the race from Beit Hanun to Rafah.
“I think we have sent a message that we hope will reach the world. It’s a step towards making the world aware of the tragedy of the Palestinian people,” he added.
Intelligent and aware people of the world know the ‘tragedy’ of the Palestinians is due to consistently making the wrong choices, but so long as there are outlets like the BBC happy to carry their propaganda, they will continue to embroil themselves in that ‘tragedy’.
Having heard Jenny Tonge on Today this morning, it`s all too clear what Humphrys and the like think-and that permeates all the toadies that infest the BBC.
She`s anti something and she`s barking and angry…so makes good copy…and sod the consequences.
A zealot in a stew of banalities and platitudes with off the shelf, cheap and lazy reflexes and responses…no wonder the BBC are happy to get this raging anti-Israel nasty into the warmth of the BBC, where she`ll get aromatherapy for what turens out to be a very sick mind.
“World Conspiracy of Jews” eh?… maybe David Icke might want her to take the lizard whip for him and his crew…but the BBC have no right giving this evil witch house room, if they don`t put on the Ku Klux Clan to tell us that the black man runs the Olympics Conspiracy or whatever…
Really dangerous stuff-and the likes of her, Huhne, Evan Harries show us all what the Liberals are really like without the civilising influence of the Tories…that are damaged as long as Tonge is able to spout such vicious rubbish and lies.
Joe Arpaio: Barack Obama birth proof ‘may be forged’ – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17229009
But the BBC, presumably in the name of balance, discredits the source of the claim:
‘Mr Arpaio, known for his tough stance on immigration, is being investigated over allegations of racial profiling.
The US justice department alleges that his office routinely
discriminated against Latinos.
He also faces a federal grand jury investigation into the activities of his anti-corruption unit, and a forthcoming re-election bid in Maricopa County.’
Jeff
I thought everybody knew Obammy was ‘The Manchurian Candidate’.
OT (but as a fave BBC chipper-inner still valid), but how did Paul Boateng get to be a Lord?
I just watched him po-faced claim on one (serious) topic that no fingers must be pointed and things need to be taken slow and carefully, and then move on to another (nowhere near as serious) where he was pointing every digit he had demanding crackdowns.
Is lack of irony a mandatory in luvvie reviewers?
Son in chokey for rape or something serious like that?
Trougher in South Africa whose family abused their black maids and other staff?
Never actaully done ANYTHING in his life apart from being Livingstons goto guy for race at the GLC…and both did pretty well out of it?
Rent-a quote for Bristish racism as experienced at his public school-24 hour grievance loop available on the BBC?
Ideal “m`Lud” territory…and at least Srcher made his OWN money and did`nt stiff us all like a load of Tracey Temples!
Archer-not Srcher who was his equivalent in Slovakia as I recall!
Dame Nikki Campo, pulls out all the stops protecting islam this morning.
5live Bfast, & BBC, has a long segment on AQ Al Qaeda???
terrorism??? … yep! not a muslim /islam in sight, hmmm! getting to be yet another habit, of missing out the facts 😀 for them.
The Dame has a muslim on about that “crock” of a programme on Ch4 last night about Bradford, and erm :-D… integration??.
This dude is asked, if a muslim woman could marry a non muslim
man,(re integration/community), thus follows the biggest pile of obfuscation/excuses, to which the Dame doesn t question, and helps the guy change the subject.?
AND! ,,, to follow a pantomime phone in, is your community integrated?
not an issue for sikh, hindu, jian buddhist, jewish, jehovahs etc etc …
west indian, chinese no … no hardly a problem 😀
now is there any other “community” mmmm … any guesses?.
I think it will be a drone of politically correct B/S … ignoring the bearded/burkha d elephant in the room … scrabbling around to find obscure examples, to ahem! …”make a point”.
Yes Dame Nikki is ont happy with you whitey folk who think Muslims are a bit bonkers and don’t want to join in.
I love the way the dame sneekily tries to work out if you’re a racist (because you might not approve of the burkha for example)
It’s Thursday, it’s after dark, the curtains are drawn and tradition dictates that a Dimbleby must gather us around the table in Auntie’s back parlour for another attempt to reanimate a long-departed format.
Talk about a seance…’Shhhhhsh, is there anybody there?’
There came the hushed reply,
‘Just us outreach workers and full time public sector union activists, David’.
Ahhh, perfect, we have some Pilgrims who want to talk to us tonight.
It’s life Jim but not as we know it! And John Redwood was beamed down from a world completely alien to the BBC – Planet 1980s.
woo woo WHOOOOOO woo woo woo woo woo
Silence decends upon the room. Quick, put on a Labour voice before we slip into stasis!
That did the trick, now they’re clapping like performing sealions (whoops, live animals earning their kippers in some kind of circus slavery – how un PC).
Who said the Beeb always likes to book a Tory Panto Dame who will carelessly weild long words in a build up area without fear of the penalties?
‘Stand aside Ladies, your hearts may be aflutter but trouble your silly little leftie heads no more because the Lavender Pimpernel has manifested himself. Starkey, scourge of the darkie, is on deck.’
‘Take that you socialistic hobbledehoy! How dare you suggest the traitorous Long John Gordon never buried all our gold dubloons in his own garden shed. Whatever Dimbleby says – I’ll not let you rewrite BRITISH HISTORY!’
Look out Pimpernel, there’s a full complement of Mohommedans aboard!
‘Take that, and this, and that and especially that, you atavistic throwback…..I’m a gay old sailor.’
‘And as for you Frenchies….ah they seek me here they seek me there….those damned Frenchies….’
Dimbleby: ‘Did you just now maligne the Frenchies? Did you impune our brave allies? Where’s me notes? Where’s me Twitter-feed? Let me get a Frenchperson’s opinion on that. Who cares they don’t pay the licence? Oh for the sake of the tatty old Charter let me get some balance. For the love of Lord Reith and sake of the Trust I must get it about right – it’s in me genes.’
‘Damn your prompts and damn your BBC Charter Dimbleby! Froggies I call them and Froggies they are. I’ll have two for breakfast if I please!’
Voice off: ‘Can’t we put pressure on the Russians and Chinese?’
‘For the love of Allah, where do you get them? Us, post-colonial island off Euroland, put pressure on the Ruskies and the Chinkies? What have you been teaching them BBC?’
The Radio 5 phone in is a HOOT.
YOU NASTY NASTY RACIST WHITE PEOPLE.
Dame Nikki is in fine form.
Dame Nikki on fine BBC formn outing you racists.
Just left SKY’s report on Maths in the UK.
Seems that, for the last 8 years it has been stuffed and on a death slide.
http://news.sky.com/home/video/uk-news/video/16180777
(love the ‘A*… to C grade’ way of phrasing, mind)
This, one presumes, despite the best efforts of the noble public sector teaching profession and the bazillions they have had lobbed at them.
Now I am not that great myself, but as a trend that seems to be heading in a very odd direction. More and more munny… fewer and fewer positive results. One is sure Ms. Flanders or Mr. Mason can explain how that is a good deal, especially if more money is thrown, given the causal link. Throw enough and every Pilgrim and their personal BBC PR manager will be unable to righ their expense claims by 2013.
Maybe the cherry vultures, if not a wee bit bunker bound at current foot-in-mouth levels around and about the hive, can direct one to the detailed analysis of this aspect across the BBC estate?
One presumes this is one pervasive charity’s (a new one… can never have enough) bit of research that may not be quite as top of the hour as usual?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-17224600
Nope, that 8 year figure (taking us back to…?) doesn’t seem in there. This is… ‘high level maths skills in England were declining’. Clever. It’s Tory cuts,, Cuts, CUTSSSS!! Only, it isn’t.
Here is what appears less germane, and not needed to include in the BBC ‘report’…
http://www.nationalnumeracy.org.uk/news/9/index.htmlindex.html
‘The figure has increased by nearly two million over the last eight years (from 47% to 49%)’ – Line 2.
Ain’t control of the edit a neat power that can’t be held to account… uniquely… by some?