112 Responses to OPEN THREAD…

  1. Selohesra says:

    BBC on radio this am going on about Lib threats to scupper boundary changes – each time they say these changes will give Tories ~ 20 seats advantage. Could they not once have said will remove Labours ~ 20 seat advantage?

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    • johnnythefish says:

      With the current boundaries I think I’m right in recalling that the Tories need 8% more of the vote just to be equal on seats with Labour, whereas if Labour had 8% more of the vote they’d have a 60 seat majority. Ever hear that on the BBC? Errr – no.

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  2. Rueful Red says:

    Humphrys was off on one this morning, accusing the pharmaceutical industry of being “corrupt”. Toady has been setting this up all week, with repeated pieces about the GSK fine in the US.

    Funnily enough, when he started talking about distorting or suppressing inconvenient evidence, I couldn’t help but think of all the money the BBC spent suppressing the Balen report (which we as poll tax payers funded). Of how it has systematically promoted its own metropolitan liberal world view to the exclusion of any alternative view, in defiance of its own charter obligations. And of how its efforts to fulfil its charter obligation to educate has been reduced to giggling inanity.

    Then the word “corrupt” somehow sprang to mind. Funny, that.

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    • DJ says:

      And then there’s the UEA crew, sniggering along in their e-mails about how they planned to evade FoI requests to release the results of their *publicly-funded* research.

      As I recall, the BBC didn’t exactly greet Climategate as a great victory for transparency…

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      • Umbongo says:

        Apologies – I was writing up my comment below at the same time you posted. Great minds . . . . . .

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    • Umbongo says:

      My thought, concerning Humphrys’ indignation about whether or not all Big Pharma’s research data was available (to regulators and/or the public), was the BBC’s continuing complacent acceptance of the concealment of “scientific data” and computer codes in the CAGW scam. It’s OK by the BBC, apparently, for the CAGW shysters to refuse requests to make their raw data available (let alone details of how this “data” is manipulated) but for Big Pharma (which is legally required to make all data available to the regulator before and after marketing the product) to fall down on this one is completely unacceptable. Of course, Big Pharma is private effort producing profit: the two most despised words in the BBC lexicon.

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      • Rueful Red says:

        Unlike the CAGW shysters, however, Big Pharma produces products which make sick people better. When the NHS decides we can have them, that is.

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        • Pah says:

          I’d be grateful if they’d just start feeding patients once in a while …

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      • TigerOC says:

        Intrernational Pharma are pretty nasty when one starts digging.
        Some facts; They spend twice as much on advertising and pr as they do on research.
        Little original research has come out of major companies for 20 years. Many new products have come out of publicly funded Uni research.
        They hide behind patent protection related to areas of the World and gouge profits out of the wealthier nations using these patents.
        Big Pharma are colluding horizontally to avoid product competition.
        Most of the major Pharma have been found to pay corrupt payments to so-called independent experts to produce fraudulent reports on their products thereby jeopardising the safety of the public for profit.
        They all trade out of tax havens to avoid paying tax.
        Big Pharma constitute 20% of the top 100 companies.
        They are corrupt, dishonest and parasites.
        I know all this because I had major dealings with them over a number of years on a national and international level.

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        • Umbongo says:

          I’m all in favour of a rant but a few references would be nice.

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          • Dave s says:

            No lover of multi nationals so I too would like some harder facts.

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          • TigerOC says:

            As an executive member of a Pharmacy professional body for over a decade in Southern Africa I was involved in several investigations on Multinational Pharma. The primary investigations were around transfer pricing.
            This is practice whereby subsidiaries of the parent company are compelled to buy their raw material from the parent. The volume of production and price is calculated and the parent charges out the material at a price so that no profit is made at source of production.
            This ensures that the profit centre is at source and the country of manufacture achieves no tax returns from this source.
            This practice is global;
            http://www.stwr.org/multinational-corporations/how-multinational-corporations-avoid-paying-their-taxes.html
            I was involved in a panel at a major conference as a representative of my profession in the late ’90’s. The subject of the discussion was the issue of parallel import. This where a multinational has production facilities in many countries. In many cases the factories in India could supply the same product at 10% of the cost in South Africa.
            On the same panel was a representative of the US embassy who was very open in his threats. Any attempt by trade organisations or the state would be met with a complaint to the WTO for violation of patents granted which could result disastrous effects for all manufactured goods covered by International patent. The message was very clear the Pharma had the backing of the US government.
            Further material;

            http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/28/us-pharma-corruption-idUSTRE81R0S720120228

            Click to access ACFDC.PDF

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AstraZeneca

            http://www.spinwatch.org/reviews-mainmenu-24/48-lobbying/199-under-the-influence

            The very real concern for everyone is the pernicious invasion of all healthcare. The manufacturers are no longer merely restricted to drug manufacture but are now directly involved in health delivery in the form of hospitals and insurers.

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        • Barry says:

          When did you last collect a prescription drug with “Oxford University” on it? Who sponsors the research, who pays for the trials, who manufactures the drug?

          As mentioned by others, where’s your evidence?

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          • TigerOC says:

            Major research units (Oxford) clearly have no manufacture facilities.
            What they do have are research grants, facilities and broad research resources and of course public funding.
            Chemical entities having the potential to fit and affect receptor sites thereby having a physiological affect on the body are created in the lab by experienced academics. The derivatives or modification to structure is possible through computer technology.
            The institution would then sell the research to sponsoring manufacturers. The manufacturer then brings product to market.
            The researcher has no say in the how the final product is used or priced.
            Very few new innovations have come to market over the last 2 decades. The last new innovation that I saw was the artificial manufacture of insulin. Most products coming to market come out of computer synthesis labs in Japan. Manufacturers buy up lots of chemical entities that are modifications of existing structures.

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            • Barry says:

              It’s easy (and lazy) to demonise large corporations. Pfizer had to write off $1 billion investment in Torcetrapib because it didn’t deliver. How many university research departments have this sort of exposure?

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              • TigerOC says:

                There is always risk in development of new entities and hence the granting of very long patents. The cost of bringing a new product to market is in the £1bn range anyway. So far none of the major multinationals have gone bust in fact quite the reverse. Every major Pharma outperforms their sector in net profits.
                Much of the risk is offset by modification and delivery of existing entities. This is what I was referring to earlier. For the last 2 decades most of the new products reaching the market are derivatives of existing moieties which carry very little risk outside of the primary animal trials.

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              • TigerOC says:

                Just to add some meat to what I said above, the following look at this area shows some surprising results for the uninitiated;

                http://ecommerce.drugawareness.org/Archives/2ndQtr_2001/4201Drug.html

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      • johnnythefish says:

        Usual socialist hypocrisy straight out of the Ed Balls Bumper Book of Big Hypocritical Utterings. We shouldn’t be surprised…..

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      • David Preiser (USA) says:

        Any of the Big Pharma companies who want to keep their data from BBC scrutiny should merely say that they need to keep it private in the interests of “journalism”.

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    • Harold says:

      Yes, I always utter a sigh of disbelief when the BBC imperiously accuses others of corruption and tries to portray itself as efficient, fair and good value for money; they never, however, mention the fact that it would nice if the public got a choice on the matter of whether or not we would like to fund this middle class Left-wing garbage machine. If the BBC was floated on the market to pay its own way it’d immediately blow away like a massive whoopee cushion to the accompanying and fitting sound of a giant resounding raspberry!

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    • Right out of Saul Alinsky’s playbook –

      One’s concern with the ethics of means and ends varies inversely with one’s personal interest in the issue. (P26 – rules for radicals)

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    • Fred Bloggs says:

      Unedifying example of not probing interview, but I will get on my high humbug horse and ride it all the way. Uck!

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  3. Neil Turner says:

    get yourself signed up to the ePetition requesting an “in / out” Referendum on the Licence Fee

    You know it makes sense…

    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/34655

    Pass it on !

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    • The Highland Rebel says:

      I’ve already told them to stick their licence fee demands up where the sun don’t shine.

      I’ve signed the e petition anyway as it made me feel good.

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  4. Sres says:

    BBC1 Breakfast news (between the horror of rain programming), we got a snip on kids and their morality.

    The piece praised 1/3 of kids for not committing crime.

    Is it me or is the real story that 2/3 of kids are committing crime?

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    • As I See It says:

      I have noticed this odd new BBC fear of rain.
      ‘A month’s worth expected to fall on the Midlands in one day!’
      Perhaps the Beeboids have forgotten that they live in Britain.

      This Canadian news report extracts the sort of quote from the Met office that we rarely hear on BBC outlets.

      http://www.timescolonist.com/sports/Known+Unknowns+British+sopping+organizers+London+Olympics+will/6891635/story.html

      “Oh, goodness! It’s only a bit of British weather,” said Charles Powell, a spokesman for the Met office, the national forecaster. “It’s naturally variable.”

      This could put a dampner on their Olympics. I can almost hear the beeboids thinking ‘It is so unfair’

      Meanwhile the BBC weather reports lately sound more like Olympic commentary….weather is always the warmest/wettest/driest since this or that record began.

      Of course when you remember where their pensions are invested you can understand why there is this constant effort to hoodwink us that we are living in THE LAST DAYS.

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      • Sres says:

        With regards the BBC/MET weather, they seem interested in finding another name for weather when they can. Mizzle was one from a few years ago… (That’s Misty Drizzle to you and me).

        Weather reports are awful, they can’t tell us what is going to happen tomorrow let alone in a century (as the MET new computer can do), the question is… Why would we care what the weather will be like in 100 years, surely the majority who listen/care about the weather will be pushing up daisies…

        I follow one guy from America who does long range (that’s 6-12 months) weather reporting on Europe, he’s called Joe Bastardi, he’s spot on with pretty much everything he says, he also has a cool name.

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        • Pah says:

          Ah phoo! Mizzle is as old as the hills it sticks to.

          Fizzle’s another one (foggy drizzle).

          or is that a cake?

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          • john in cheshire says:

            I’ll just say it and get it over with – Met talk is a load of old pizzle.

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            • Leha II says:

              to be honest, do we really need weather every half hour on the telly and every 15mins on radio? 2 or 3 times a day on the telly will suffice, show us isobars and where the jetstream is and most intelligent people can deduct their own forecast. Someone said there was a hurricane coming, well if your watching – there isn’t 😀

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              • Bannerman says:

                Radio 5 all I seem to get is Scotland Scotland Scotland…Northern Ireland…and now the news.

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          • johnnythefish says:

            As the saying round here goes: if you can see the hills it’s about to rain; if you can’t see the hills, it IS raining.

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      • Guest Who says:

        ‘since this or that record began’
        When the meedjah wheel this one out, I can only now think if this (4 mins in):

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      • David Gregory says:

        No need to “remember” here’s the list of the top 100 BBC pension scheme investments. http://www.bbc.co.uk/mypension/sites/helpadvice/pages/top-100-investments.shtml
        Are we trying to “hoodwink” people this is “THE LAST DAYS” so they’ll call their friends on Vodaphone and tell them about it? Or so they take up smoking? Or fill up their cars from BP or Shell stations and visit friends? Or so they buy that book on Amazon they always meant to read before the end of times?
        I’d really like to know.

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    • DavidH says:

      Yes – I thought that, too. Also, the young man who had mended his ways and was helping youth dared to mention `church’ at one point – interviewers rapidly move on with a Humph! Heaven forbid that Christianity had anything to do with his efforts!

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  5. As I See It says:

    ‘…will you still need me, will you still feed me, when I’m 64?’

    Have you noticed how often Auntie’s dark thoughts turn to euthanasia?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2012/jun/26/bbc-john-simpson-euthanasia-pensioners

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    • jarwill101 says:

      Nobody should be a burden on the Rainbow state, Beeboid-Guardianista, especially if they’re unenlightened, lacking in ‘nuanced’ opinion, intransigent, Islam-resistant, old whiteys, who can remember this sovereign nation before ‘The Great Enrichment’. Best get rid of them, bit of an embarrassment. Mind you, their hearts are probably already broken. Looking at the local high street is enough to do that, what with The Muslim League of Extraordinary Gentlemen driving by, boots full of guns, on their merry way to another atrocity. Flower shrines for 4len Souljahs. Everywhere the raucous celebration of idiocy & degenerate, callous, cowardly behaviour. Multiculturalism: the insane ideology that stabbed itself to death in a soulless shopping mall. Hang on: let’s euthanase the Cultural Marxists that are murdering our country, & their slimy propagandists. Now there’s an idea. Senor Guevara – he dead.

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    • Alfie Pacino says:

      Paxman had a studio full of pensioners on Wednesday. He pretty much called them a burden on the state, which is rich as to the last they had all worked full lives and contributed toward their annuity.
      One woman in the group asked outright ‘…at what age will you have me lay down and die Mr Paxman?’
      Quality.

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      • johnnythefish says:

        Plus most have saved for their old age and did not ‘live for the moment’ when they were working. When the BBC are not demonising the banks (and the private sector generally) they are beating up the baby boomers. It really makes me laugh to think of how the last couple of generations would have coped with life in the 50s and 60s, not to mention bringing up a family in the 70s – second hand furniture? no fridge? 90% max mortgages? going without a holiday? eating out a twice-yearly treat? no central heating? no shower? 3 months for BT to put a phone in? 25% inflation? 3-day week? power cuts? The Bay City Rollers?
        Give me strength….

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  6. Rueful Red says:

    I see those “men” have been at it again, leaving firearms in the boot of their car.

    I wonder if they belong to any particular religion or sect? The Provisional Salvation Army, anyone?

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    • NotaSheep says:

      BBC report has now been updated to include this line albeit almost at the very end of the report:
      ‘It is understood those arrests relate to a possible plot involving Islamist extremists, with potential UK targets.’ I wonder if that was the religion that you thought might be involved?

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    • NotaASheep says:

      I note that one of the people arrested yesterday is described by the Mail as a white Muslim convert. Apparently in April last year Richard Dart, using the name Salahuddin Al Britani, appeared in an internet video uploaded by a Muslim group vowing to disrupt the wedding of Prince William and Kate Middleton….Dart is a Muslim convert who criticised Britain on TV while claiming benefits to live rent-free. He also appeared in the documentary My Brother The Islamist, alongside Jahangir Alom.

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  7. Rueful Red says:

    Sorry, link here:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18734585

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  8. Pah says:

    There’s an odd article on parcel deliveries here.

    It seems to be an advert for eCouriers and some chap’s ‘new’ GPS system. I thought couriers had been using GPS for years, mainly fto find adddresses but what do I know?

    Then there’s the plug for Nigel Doust who seems to have quite a few plugs for his products going on the BBC magazine. See here. Now why would that be?

    Could it be because of Blackbays’s links to Crapita?

    Incidently it ends with

    And fewer wasted journeys will also help to save the environment. Studies by Heriot Watt University have found a courier could try around 18 times to deliver a parcel and still use less CO2 than someone driving to their local depot to collect it.

    A contender for the ‘Daftest CAGW Mention in Unrelated Story’ do we think?

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  9. George R says:

    For tomorrow:

    Remembering 7/7/2005 –

    “7/7 anniversary: ‘The bus blew up into tiny pieces. The people must be in tiny pieces'”

    http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/77-anniversary-the-bus-blew-up-into-tiny-pieces-the-people-must-be-in-tiny-pieces-7919811.html

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  10. Michael White says:

    Gripe 1: Is it me or has the Libor scandal been virtually dropped from the BBC website? I sense it would have remained more prominent had the ‘senior Whitehall’ people so accused been conservatives.

    Gripe 2: The BBC last night on the 10 o’clock news reported the Bloody Sunday piece concerning criminal action. But they did not mention the controversy surrounding the Saville Enquiry, nor First Minister Peter Robinson’s words: “Where is the justice for the families of Kingsmills or Claudy, for Le Mon, for the man who still to this day fights for that census worker who lost her life because she was killed by the IRA?”

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  11. Guest Who says:

    Aspects of the transcript here make interesting reading…
    http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/politics/2012/july/anarchy-on-question-time
    Beyond a populist choice of guest using populist rallying cries to please the ‘carefully selected’ crowd, I merely note…
    AJ: George Osborne told The Spectator, Louise, that Ed Balls was involved. People around Gordon Brown and Ed Balls he named specifically, in fixing those Libor rates.
    LM: That is completely false…
    AJ: I’m just saying what’s in The Spectator this week.
    LM: It’s important that you don’t misquote what George actually said.

    Maybe Mr. Johnson gets his vie… er ‘news’ from the BBC, hence his confusion.
    Anyway, though not quoted here, I am sure an impartial moderator like Mr. Dimbleby clarified the accuracy of any partisan claims as soon as time allowed.

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    • John Anderson says:

      Osborne will carry on trying to involve Balls in the LIBOR mess. In the Spectator piece he did not directly accuse Balls of being one of the “Whitehall insiders” putting pressure on the Bank of England about the high rates that Barclays was truthfully reporting. But judging by Balls’ blazing temper yesterday, his repeated tantrums, methinks he doth protest too much ?

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  12. Louis Robinson says:

    I’m no expert on Mexican politics but something doesn’t seem right.
    First, I was heartened by this report in the Wall Street Journal the other day. It seems Mexico has voted for a positive direction with a clear majority.
    “…Mr. Peña Nieto said he would be taking many cues from Colombia, a fellow Latin American nation which fought a joint battle with Washington against drug traffickers under Plan Colombia, the massive aid plan to battle insurgents and drug traffickers…

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304708604577505411765045648.html

    Seeking confirmation on this turn of events I turned to the trusted Michael Barone of the National Review Online who in another positive article said this: “…And one with something like a normal politics. The winner in Sunday’s election was PRI candidate Enrique Peña Nieto, who got 38 percent of the vote, to 32 percent for AMLO and 25 percent for PAN’s Josefina Vázquez Mota.:
    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/304736/mexico-s-quiet-election-michael-barone

    Then I saw the BBC version of the election. Is it the same event?
    “There have been claims that people in Mexico City were given gift vouchers in exchange for votes by Enrique Pena Nieto’s Institutional Revolutionary Party in the run up to Sunday’s presidential elections in Mexico. Mr. Pena Nieto has denied the allegations. Meanwhile, electoral authorities have announced they will perform a recount of more than half of the ballot boxes in the poll after finding inconsistencies in the vote tallies.”
    A disturbing TV report alleging (not proven) fraud is available here:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-18724644

    This is a huge discrepancy. However, looking more closely could it be that the BBC account can be explained by some simple facts:
    a) Their preferred candidate lost.
    b) Here is one plank of the new guy’s policy: “The centerpiece initiative is ending the Mexican government’s monopoly in the energy industry, a sacred cow in Mexico since the 1938 oil nationalization. Mr. Peña Nieto said he was committed to a constitutional rewrite that would keep oil in government hands, but allow private companies to participate in everything from exploration to refining.”
    OMG! Privatisation!
    Whom do I believe? WSJ? NRO? BBC?

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    • Nicked emus says:

      Then I saw the BBC version of the election. Is it the same event?

      Apparently so:

      The Telegraph: Enrique Pena Nieto declared winner of Mexico election

      The Party of the Democratic Revolution (PRD) candidate held an evening press conference Thursday reiterating his claim that the PRI sought to “buy” votes by distributing 1.8 million gift cards worth “billions of pesos.”

      Fox News Latino: Official tally confirms Peña Nieto as winner of Mexico vote

      The election results may also face legal challenges from a nonpartisan student movement that has documented instances of vote-buying, tampering with ballots and other irregularities.

      National Post: Mexico’s Enrique Pena Nieto declared president-elect after demand for recount

      The Party of the Democratic Revolution (PRD) candidate held an evening press conference Thursday reiterating his claim that the PRI sought to “buy” votes by distributing 1.8 million gift cards worth “billions of pesos.”

      VoA: Mexico Presidential Vote Recount Shows Pena Nieto Win

      “They are giving cash, basic food items, construction materials, electric household items,” said Lopez Obrador. “All of this was part of a well-designed and deliberate operation, a dishonest, anti-democratic buying of votes.”

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      • Louis Robinson says:

        Thank you. I will follow events with renewed interest.

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        • Louis Robinson says:

          I just found a pretty fair summary of the state of the Mexican election at Heritage.org. The victor, the PRI’s Enrique Pena Nieto is greeted with guarded optimism by the right wing think tank:
          “Few tears were shed when the PRI’s “perfect dictatorship” ended more than a decade ago, It’s apparent return in 2012 is viewed more with caution than visceral fear. The PRI claims that it has changed and offers a path for “responsible change” with reforms that could include a serious opening of Mexico’s energy sector to foreign investment, expanding competitiveness, shaking up the educational system, and implementing fiscal and labor reforms.”
          http://blog.heritage.org/2012/07/02/mexico-elections-that-truly-matter/
          The voter fraud question seems to be shelved for the moment as the new government organises itself. What worries me is that the “voter fraud” story is now part of the media’s lexicon. It reminds me of a BBC current affairs editor who told a reporter, “Go cover the story about the Moroccan earthquake and if it’s over, do a story about how the relief operation isn’t working”.

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Mexico is essentially a failed State, has been for a few years now, and its descent into chaos (well, the northern half of it anyway) has grave effects on the US. I hope they turn it around at some point, but I have no idea which one of these candidates can do it. Probably neither one, sadly.

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  13. Phil Ford says:

    Yet more evidence (as if it were ever needed) of the mealy-mouthed, unashamedly partisan way in which The Corporation reports on shale gas in the UK…

    “…The Wales Planning Inspectorate (WPI) has allowed test drilling for shale gas in the Vale of Glamorgan to go ahead on Llandow industrial estate…”

    “…Opponents feared drilling could lead to hydraulic fracturing, known as fracking…”

    Yes, I should imagine actual fracking might presumably follow the discovery of sizeable shale gas reserves. But what’s to fear? The BBC doesn’t tell us – but does mention that a lot of ‘opponents’ (code for Green NGO activists) are ‘concerned’…

    And then there is this:

    “…He said if controversial fracking was to take place…”

    Anyone know why the BBC drone might conceivably skewer in the word ‘controversial’ when the sentence would have done just fine without it..?

    Personally, I wish Wales good luck – I hope there are massive shale gas finds – the good people of Wales could do with a huge financial boost to their economy and a big shale gas find could provide countless jobs, as well as much cheaper fuel for Welsh householders and businesses – and, incidentally, will help Wales to meet it’s lower carbon emission targets (whatever they are). Go Wales!

    http://thegwpf.org/uk-news/6115-wales-gives-green-light-for-shale-gas-prospecting.html

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    • There was a piece about this on Wales Today earlier in which a local resident was interviewed and expressed his opposition by using the words “We don’t want oil rigs cropping up every few miles”. So, he’ll have a full grasp of the matter then.

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  14. James says:

    Shoddy journalism. If you watch the interview Sepp Blatter was clearly talking about the vote on Thursday when he said “We could say it is a historic day for international football”, but the article makes it look like he was talking about Lampard’s disallowed goal. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18732237

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  15. wallygreeninker says:

    The new definition of ‘Beeboid’ has now appeared in the Urban Dictionary- give it enough thumbs up and it might appear in the OED one day!

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Beeboid&defid=6665681

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  16. Jeff Waters says:

    It’s not that bad to be a graduate, despite what Left-wing agitprop merchants like Paul Mason might tell you

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielknowles/100168481/its-not-that-bad-to-be-a-graduate-despite-left-wing-agitprop-merchants-like-paul-mason-might-tell-you/

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    • George R says:

      Supplementary:

      -on Comrade Mason, Father of ‘Newsnight’ NUJ Chapel:

      “Why are we paying for agitprop?”

      (by Damian Thompson)

      “The BBC’s new director-general, George Entwistle, is a former editor of Newsnight. I wonder if he knows how much damage is being done to its reputation by Paul Mason, its economics editor? Mason was in the Guardian on Monday, sucking up to student protesters. In the words of my colleague Daniel Knowles, ‘he’s the sort of Lefty who rants about the ‘end of the neoliberal experiment’ between interviews with dreadlocked, dope-smoking hippies squatting in some Arab oil trader’s Chelsea townhouse’. George, if you think this man is impartial, why not go the whole hog and give Polly Toynbee her old job back as the Beeb’s social affairs editor?”

      http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100169512/where-mormonism-meets-scientology/

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      • johnnythefish says:

        Just wondering why Mason didn’t face a disciplinary for joining that protest (thereby flouting the BBC’s commitment to ‘impartiality’).

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  17. Jeff Waters says:

    Louise Mensch’s regrets over Class A drugs in her youth – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18735852

    John Lydon cracked me up in this clip! I’m tempted to watch Question Time on Iplayer just to hear his ramblings! It sounds like he’d had a few pints before the show! LOL!

    Jeff

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  18. Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

    Holy shit Shoutie is on newsnight again? with emily ?
    ffs where do they find knobs like him?

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    • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

      Emily titless is a disgrace, anyone who shuts up owen jones, gets instantly interrupted by emily!

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  19. +james says:

    On the BBC News there was a piece about the mysterious rise hooping cough. No one knows why cases of hooping cough have mysteriously risen.

    So it has nothing to do with mass immigration from countries with poor hooping cough vaccination programmes?

    Next on News Night Owen Jones class warrior. Why do they always have this idiot on? He wrote a book about chavs now he is an expert on economics?

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  20. chrisH says:

    I turned Today off this morning as soon as Justin Webb told me that “women bishops” would be coming up in the next hour.
    You know something?…as Greece gets faggots laid at its feet, as Syria comes to the boil, as Israel decides what to do about its loony neighbours like Iran-only the BBC could think the old trope of women bishops was worthy of another run round the paddock.
    This is one sad old mare fit for the knackers yard…yet its a beeboid show pony for ever and a day…about the only time the church comes up in at the BBC is about women, gays and paedophiles. Not a peep from Saudi or Nigeria!
    I really wish I had the BBCs problems to worry about…women bishops and the fate of the wind turbine industry…and where to send my gay partners kids to get them out of the comp system…BBC ishoos to a man(or significant other or LGBT, as you choose!)

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  21. Bob says:

    I’d like to submit my own entry to the list of bias displayed by the BBC.
    I also consider most of the mainstream media to be guilty of this charge.
    They are pro McCann (The parents of the most famous missing child in the world) and anti Portugese Police.
    Today offers a new example. Many credible(ish) news sources are reporting the latest claim being made in this tragic case. The BBC/ Establishment line seems to be “The Portugese Police are stupid. Successful profesionals like us are beyond suspicion, The child was abducted end of story.”
    So they remain silent on stories that are not approved by the parents of the missing child and their advisers.
    There seems little objectivity either in their documentaries on the case.
    Many reputations are nailed to the parents’ mast. The Blairs, Branson, Brown ans Rowling to name but a few.
    There was political interference by our Government.
    It matters little whether you think the Mccanns are involved or not as opinions of real people are divided on the MCann case unlike at the BBC.

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  22. richard says:

    Any Questions: the other hereditary fiefedom of the Dimbleby: I note that the only slightly less self-important younger brother doesnt appear to have had a publically funded round the world trip whilst he makes a series of unwatchably pompous programmes about his interests; or indeed starred in a “reality documentary” in which we pay for his gormless son to design him a holiday mansion in Wales as we had the pleasure of doing recently for the irritating unfunny and peculiar Griff Rhys Jones. We ought to petition Downing Street. how can he get by on just two radio programmes? A scion of one of our greatest houses……

    Anyway it was business as usual this week. An audience of baying NUT trots, the shockingly stupid pre-programmed hypocrite Diane Abbot allowed to bang on in that spiteful drawl until the audience picked up the sportspalast now clap hysterically cue words and Daniel Hannan interrupted every ten words and denigrated by the very stupid celebrity marxist vicar who has the in house suite of rooms next to that little twat Owen Jones in the BBCs equivalent of the scientology celebrity center.

    I just switched off – again – it is so biased and hideous that in years to come (when weve risen from our prayer mats) we will look back in wonder.

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  23. George R says:

    “This is BBC Breakfast, live from Salford (via London): Popular show forced to conduct 12 key interviews by VIDEO LINK in one week”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2170023/This-BBC-Breakfast-live-Salford-London–Popular-forced-conduct-12-key-interviews-VIDEO-LINK-week.html#ixzz1zupmZAfM

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  24. Guest Who says:

    http://tradingaswdr.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/heated-debate.html
    Say what you like about the outgoing DG, that reply rather shows just how every po-faced ‘we are comfortable in our belief that we get it about right’ cookie cutter is generated, even TO staff too, by all accounts.

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  25. Guest Who says:

    Questions are being asked..
    emily m ‏@maitlis
    ‪#newsnight‬ Scandal after scandal – Paul Mason asks if we’ve lost trust in our great British institutions.
    Retweeted by BBC Newsnight

    Unless it represents an outbreak of serious introspection, or simple masochism, they may not have though this through, really.

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    • chrisH says:

      “An Englishman will burn his own bed just to kill a flea”-a Turkish proverb, so I believe.
      Mason probably counts himself as a European-certainly not a “chavvy Brit”, let alone an “Englishman”…but he needs to follow his logic deep towards his public sector blind spot that is the BBC.
      Straw Dogs?…not even pipe cleaners this BBC lot…

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  26. chrisH says:

    Ours not to question Euthanasia Week…as indeed every week now seems to be when it comes to the “problem of the elderly”…well those who don`t benefit from the copper bottomed, gold plated pension made freely available to BBC lifers and trusties.
    Yet today was a “how will we fund the gaga buggers” when they come to the table with a gruel bowl extended…or “social care provision” as the media and politicos tag it.
    Is it a Guardian Saturday supplement piece for musing on…or just a day off from the constant effort of the BBC to get Harold Shipman up on that fourth plinth in Trafalgar Square?
    Wish the BBC would make up its mind-are we to kill them off before they claim their free telly? Or are they vulnerable perpetual hostages to fortune for parade by the BBC as “victims of harsh Tory cuts”.
    Reckon I`ll need to calibrate this axis between euthanasia and vulnerable Age UK fodder to be ruminated over by the BBC moochers and grazers of the Toady Show.

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    • Guest Who says:

      ‘those who don`t benefit from the copper bottomed, gold plated pension made freely available to BBC lifers and trusties.’
      It’s not just the BBC, but they do seem to be leading the charge across the ‘what’s mine is mine, and what’s yours should become mine too’ politico-media estate we are subject to.
      Every time the matter of costs of elder care crop up, the tsunami of chatterati opinion seems to be that if you have ploughed your savings into owning a home, the minute you seek something back for all taxes and ‘fees’ paid during your lifetime, this needs selling and they keep the proceeds whilst leaving you in under the tender care of a contract nurse who needs ‘training’ to grasp that a glass of water helps avert dehydration and leaving immobile folk in their own poo is not so on the ball, professionally.
      Meanwhile, in terms of living well but using vehicles of saving for the future that don’t seem accounted for as much, spotlight-wise…
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1372872/Rail-union-boss-Bob-Crow-lives-home-low-income-families–despite-SIX-FIGURE-salary-package.html
      And speaking of unions, and what does not get factored in, there are other ‘don’t count if it’s us’ aspects too..
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/7897113/BBC-Deputy-DG-Mark-Byford-in-line-for-400000-pension.html
      Have to say sitting on £400k a year seems pretty rich when overseeing an impartial entity at best bemoaning the funding of retirees our current and future generations face, or at worst supporting hypocritically any moves to snag what they see as tasty low fruit whilst recoiling in horror at what they have stashed away even being glanced at.

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  27. chrisH says:

    A pompous piece of pish on the PM programme last night.
    We are not, as a nation; sufficiently enthused by the 99.9% certainly that the scientists have found their Higgs-Boson particle…what fools we are-discovery of a generation, yada yada…and, of course-more research and funding…damn those philistine Tories.
    1. At that Zenlike level of scientific enquiry, isn`t it all perceiver-driven-don`t you see what you want to see, and if you will it , it can be measured by you to prove its “reality”?
    Stephen Gately(No Matter What)…and Tom Petty(Refugee)…say the same thing, only much better-and NOT funded by the Government with BBC suckups like Harrabin and Black singing backup vocals either.
    2. In these days of cuts and the like-isn`t it cheaper just to believe in God?
    Far cheaper!

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    • Buggy says:

      Pretty much my feelings, TBH. And point 1/ equally applies to the arts in terms of something being “artistic” if one of the chosen arbiters pronounces it to be so.

      I’m rather sorry to admit that whenever one of these major scientific discoveries is announced to be “imminent”, complete with bells and whistles and media cheerleading, my first, cynical reaction is : “They’re obviously in need of new funding”. Or in this case: “The hard word is being put on by the backers to actually justify the financial outlay on the thing”.

      No doubt this qualifies me as an proponent of un-reason, and an enemy of progress, so I’ll expect to be well-up on the list when the vans start to be sent round for a nice trip to the re-education camps.

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  28. As I See It says:

    I notice that the BBC are being a little coy about the 7 people ‘arrested in connection with an ongoing counter-terrorism operation’.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18751617

    ‘Richard Dart, a Muslim convert who uses the name Salahuddin al Britani, was also detained in the raids, it is understood.

    He features in a YouTube video which criticises the Royal Family and British military action in Muslim countries’

    I’ve found that the BBC can be rather evasive and dare I say economical with the truth in certain matters – so it is good to do your own research, as they say.

    http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/national/news/9804754.Seventh_person_held_in_terror_probe/

    ‘He appeared in a BBC Three documentary, My Brother The Islamist, made by his stepbrother Robb Leech last year, which described how Dart, originally from Weymouth, Dorset, had been converted by controversial cleric Anjem Choudary. In the documentary he spoke of his support for jihad and sharia law.’

    BBC News: Always best to do your own research if you want to know more.

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  29. deegee says:

    Mr. Krishna Maharaj may well be innocent but should the BBC be engaged in advocacy journalism for the defense?

    Why at no point does this report interview the prosecution as fairness requires? Why are the reasons suspicion fell on Maharaj? Was he a known associate of the murdered Columbian drug criminals? If vital evidence was not brought up at the trial why did this happen?

    Frankly I was reminded of BBC reporting on Israel or Global Warming when I saw this report.

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    • Guest Who says:

      Agree.
      Newsnight has been tweeting on this for a while, and then RT’ing folk RT’ing its own tweets to try and keep it going.
      Miscarriages of justice are an awful thing, and hence catnip to the media, but what I have seen so far has been so skewed as to be useless.
      Actually I am wondering, again, who knows who at the BBC for this to get stirred up, and in such a manner.
      There was some heartstring-tugging stuff about this poor guy’s life being wasted and years in jail taking their toll, but I had to wonder just what state the victims would be in too.
      I tried to find out who they were, but gave up on the ‘story’, which seemed keener on emulating LA Confidential than actually reporting.
      I doubt that was their intention, so they have served the person whose innocence they are apparently advocating pretty poorly.

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  30. Pah says:

    The M4 is closed at Junction 3 and the BBC takes pot shots at Boris because this will effect the Olympics.

    Really? Would anyone here travel east on the M4 beyond the junction with the M25 if they were going to the East End?

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  31. +james says:

    Not on the BBC but in the Mirror of all places.

    Were they on way to bomb EDL rally? Police probe after Taliban-style bomb found in car boot

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bomb-in-car-boot-on-m1-police-1135645

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    • George R says:

      ‘Jihadwatch’, not INBBC:

      “Jihad terrorists targeted EDL demonstration”

      [Excerpt]:-

      “It has come to light that the latest spate of arrests of jihad terrorists in the UK prevented them from committing jihad mass murder at an EDL demo. Pamela Geller has more info: ‘Tommy Robinson called me yesterday with the grave news that Scotland Yard had advised him that the EDL had been the intended target of a Taliban-style bombing. It is the first time such an improvised explosive device – used by Taliban insurgents to kill British troops in Afghanistan – has been found in the UK.'”

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/jihad-terrorists-targeted-edl-demonstration.html

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      • George R says:

        INBBC will be averse to reporting this because its trade union, NUJ, is politically opposed to the English Defence League, and it is the NUJ which apparently dictates what INBBC does and does not report on the EDL.

        A recent comment on NUJ policy on how to report and act against EDL:-

        First half of the following article is relevant to actual INBBC-NUJ actions against EDL:

        “Op-Ed: NUJ issues urgent notice to members for Rochdale EDL demo”

        Read more: http://digitaljournal.com/article/326333#ixzz1zyLeukkp

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    • johnnythefish says:

      We should not be surprised that a ‘Taliban-style bomb’ has been discovered in this country. Islamists seem to be able to travel at will to the likes of Afghanistan for Jihadist training and then return here, the whole while completely undetected.
      We can sleep soundly in our beds, though, safe in the knowledge that our football hooligans can be banned from travelling abroad at any time of Plod’s choosing.

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  32. Dave666 says:

    This is finally a reply from a complaint in March, It was the minipulation and omission of facts I objected to. Dear Mr Jackson

    Reference CAS-1503970-9Q1VY2

    Thanks for contacting the BBC.

    Please accept our apologies for the delay in replying. We know our correspondents appreciate a quick response and we are sorry you have had to wait on this occasion.

    In response to your complaint about ‘North West Tonight’ on 26 March, we did indeed report Rochdale Council Leader Colin Lambert’s call to his Greater Manchester authority colleagues to back his request for a ban on extremist groups holding demonstrations in Greater Manchester.

    An earlier demonstration in Rochdale was mentioned in relation to the above but it wasn’t necessary to rehearse all the facets of that story because, as you acknowledge, we have covered that matter previously in considerable detail at the time and reported fully the developments and background as it emerged. The court cases have also been reported upon in detail.

    The story here was simply to report upon a Councillor’s call for a ban on extremist demonstrations thus whilst reference was made to recent illustrative examples of what was being talked about, the report focused on the Councillor.

    We accurately reported that some local businesses closed early because of the more recent demonstration. It is not necessary to specify which ones, and indeed you’ll appreciate that doing so may have made matters worse because part of the original problem was that some shops previously operated by those involved in the grooming activities were long-since under new ownership thus were wrongly targeted by protestors. In a very brief report it was fair and valid to simply refer to the fact that some shops had chosen to close.

    I hope this explains our position, and thanks again for taking the time to contact us with your concerns.

    Kind Regards

    A******w H*****

    BBC Complaints
    1 They didn’t cover the back story. 2 They did not fully cover the Liverpool court case as their coverage was subject to a couple of futher complaints by myself. 3 Why the mystery over the “shops” we know exactly what “shops” they are refering to the story was put over that a large number of shops were closing. I don’t think the BBc like me very much, I don’t care.

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    • deegee says:

      Has anyone else noted that the BBC tends to delay their non answer to complaints far beyond the 20 days that they promise?

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      • Guest Who says:

        ‘BBC tends to delay their non answer to complaints far beyond the 20 days that they promise?’
        Amongst much else these ever valuable shares highlight.
        Which is why they are such a hoot to read and one can see why they really, really, don’t like people doing so, to the point of trying to make sure no one does. Or suffers periodic hissy fits if they do.
        Given the volume (another, not unrelated story) they now get, a degree of template cookie-cutter is inevitable, but it is clear zero thought goes into these things, and they not only default don’t answer specifics before going to default blowing them off, but also default can’t get their sorry act together enough to do so before default insincerely ‘apologising’ for further breaching their own rules, which don’t count on them and they make up as they go along anyway.
        The irony is, of course, that if a customer exceeds their set deadlines or procedural hopes on anything, all bets are off.
        The delays are either rampant inefficiency, designed to allow ‘evolutions’ in story or edits to creep in over time, or hope that the whole thing will blow over.
        They are also masters of fudging what happens next when they again fail to get beyond the ‘we are comfortable in our inevitable rectitude’ implied termination of case which, of course, means no ticky in the boxy (actually, even up to the Trust via ECU they have ways to make sure that doesn’t happen).
        BBC Complaints is, simply, a cynical bad joke. George… you have your work cut out, mate.

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  33. Richard Pinder says:

    The BBC’s first ever correct long range weather prediction folks?

    Computer says that over the next few decades there will be an increase in heavy rainfall events due to Human influence.

    Dr Claire Goodess, Senior Researcher in Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia.

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  34. johnnythefish says:

    BBC radio news this afternoon ‘Charities have joined Labour in calling on the government to speed up changes to social care for the elderley. But we asked Andy Burnham, Labour spokesman on the issue, why Labour themselves had done nothing to resolve the problem during their 13 years in power’.
    Actually, I made up the second sentence.
    Just about every BBC news, on every channel – radio and TV – now contains a mini Labour Party political broadcast.

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    • jonsuk says:

      ‘Just about every BBC news, on every channel – radio and TV – now contains a mini Labour Party political broadcast’…and not just the news, The One Show is like a 5 day a week mini Labour Party Political broadcast

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      • Deborah says:

        I turn over from the One Show to Channel 4 news each night – still from a left wing view point but doesn’t pretend otherwise. I would say that I don’t have to pay for it but I have a feeling that Channel 4 does get some Government funding.

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  35. jonsuk says:

    it’s like Scientology is the protector of gay actors, whether ’employed’ by the BBC or Hollywood

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  36. As I See It says:

    Surrealism time on BBC1 this morning.
    Ethnic tick box TV totty Samira Ahmed (in so much makeup that it makes me uncomfortable at this tiome of a Sunday morning) hosts a debate where the thesis seems to be that ‘the media’ ought not cover acts of murderous terrorism incase it might lead to incidents of people spitting at UK Muslims.
    Of course the Beeb are ok with this nonsense because their guests are badmouthing the Daily Mail.
    Even a cursory check of how the BBC itself already covers these issues will tell you how little a gagged sanitised media would want to tell you.

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  37. noggin says:

    the worst bias for a long time, on SML
    so orchestrated phones in on “tell mama” by politically minded muslim females – reports al beeb 1 cause islamo FAUX bia ? ? ?
    immediately conflating BNP – EDL …. why? …
    … there are 14 arrests in the past week, by muslims intent on mass murder …
    you literally couldn t make it up … apparently an EDL protest was a target for a bomb! … anyone from the EDL given an opportunity to reply?.
    i m just waiting for a nonsense caller, with a “orrible” story , to be trumped up for propaganda purposes..
    (shakes head!)

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    • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:

      Well their vote didnt go the way they expected, it was 37 to 63% against.
      Even after all their fixing attempts in the biased programme.
      Dreadful journalism.

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  38. Ron Todd says:

    No mention of violence against Muslim women by Muslims, forced mariage, FGM, Dowery murders Shria law or ‘honour’ murders.

    The greatest risk to most Muslim women must be their male relatives.

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  39. Richard Pinder says:

    The western imperialist BBC only employ fully assimilated and westernised Muslims. They don’t employ the Islamic Muslims, because BBC Culture does not tolerate people that regard Gays as perverts. The BBC loves the culture of Multiculturalism which wants gay marriage, but does not love the cultures that make up multiculturalism which do not want gay marriage. It reflects the gap between the left-wing dream, that Labours multicultural inner-city shitholes are a paradise, and the reality that this is not what the other nations of the world admire about Britain. Somehow I do not think that countries such as Japan, Norway, Switzerland, Australia etc would benefit from large scale third world immigration.

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  40. Guest Who says:

    Via the ever-reliable The ‘We mentioned it and think we may have got away with it’ Editors, I just arrived at this discussion:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2012/06/bbc_sport_beta_facebook_app.html
    Going well so far, I feel.
    There appear to be some folk who know what they are talking about, and are not happy on a variety of grounds, from revenue models (questions asked, but those being held to account ducking and diving) to what is the plan handing over UK commercial content on an exclusive basis to a US outfit of questionable integrity.
    Then there’s one of the BBC’s legions of ‘staff’, who doesn’t know what he is talking about, and is entirely comfortable in this.
    So much so that, to avoid further unpleasantness, the main reaction appears to be a threat to refer any unapproved thoughts.
    Propaganda backed by censorship. All on our dime. Spiffy. If a bit over-unique.

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  41. Dave666 says:

    I had the misfortune to be listening to Radio 4 yesterday afternoon. I was painting (the room) so I couldn’t be bothered to turn off the radio as I was far to busy trying to get the new style “Low eco inpact paint” to actually cover the not very much darker paint already in the room.
    the article that caught my ear was about the olympic torch..does anyone apart from the friends and family of the runner and the schoolkids let out of school early to watch actually care? What struck me was the identical answers given of “it’s a one off event”. Well apart from the one who had forgotten the mantra and instead went for “it’s a one off”. When I was in Northumbria a couple of weeks ago that was all that was on the local BBc news. Wake me up when it’s all over

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