Scrub that last post about Duggan…Mark Easton just explained the riots, it was police bad manners that sparked the riots.
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ACPO must be thick!
Why the hell does Hugh Orde agree to be support act to mark Easton-the go-to guy for all things policing, as far as Humphrys and the Beeb are concerned.
The interview after 8a.m this morning was a disgrace-with two policewomen not out of the mortuary, only the BBC could manage to preface any talk of their cold blooded murders with the usual list of copper gaffes…Tomlinson/G20..Hillsborough…News International.
Doesn`t take too much to guess the BBCs subtext does it?
Yet Easton lists them-and he worries about the police not really having links with the east Manchester community too-Humphrys accuses Orde of being so untrusted that a £50,000 reward for Creggan lay unclaimed.
Now do forgive me-but did anyone ever hear the BBC highlight this during the last few months then?..and yet the BBC accuse Orde etc of not being “proactive enough”.
Oh-and no sooner had the women been murdered…but “critics wondered” why police are not routinely armed.
Oh do they-I thought the liberal elite wanted only criminals to be able to carry guns-yet if it`s an excuse to stuff the top brass of the police, then we can snuffle this truffle out of the media charnel house and offer it for a limited period…if a chief copper gets to go, then all right and dandy!
So-following Millie Dowler and the 96 of Hillsborough, we get two more unwilling martyrs for the Beebs jihad against anything that stands in the way of the BBCs bucket list…
But wait, the rule of law-Humphrys tells Orde that Fahy should not have named Creggan(although everybody else had)…nor said that he had “murdered in cold blood”…and Humphrys himself was clear to say that Dale Creggan was only the “alleged murderer”.
So you kill two defenceless policewomen on a bogus call out?…you go to your nearest police station and turn yourself in?…but the BBC chooses to focus on the Chief Constables words(which seem pretty normal to me!), and try to make a case out of that?
Do you think the BBC have a wailing wall for Moaty, Bird, Huntley, Osama, Venables/Thompson and Brady then?…only the BBC would glory in making nasty lefty political points over the still-warm bodies of murdered policewomen.
For Gods sake-when are we going to wake up to what the BBC are up to-and I don`t mean those who pretend to be asleep all the time, like Dez, Mr Dandy and the like…waking up only when a stitch is dropped, or an umlaut is missing…
I only half-heard this interview since any conversation between Humphrys and Orde (or any ventriloquist dummy speaking on behalf of ACPO: it’s only a private company limited by guarantee after all set up – and/or continued – to avoid any of that FOIA nonsense) is guaranteed to raise my blood presuure dangerously. However, in this case Humphrys almost uniquely appears to be correct.
A senior police figure naming Cregan as “guilty” gives an open door to Cregan’s barrister at an upcoming trial to assert “miscarriage of justice” and see Cregan walk free, guilty or not. Although the BBC often gives scum the benefit of the doubt before, during and after a trial (or no trial cf Duggan), comment on scum before a trial should be circumscribed to avoid a possible mistrial.
Mind you, it took a millisecond for the BBC to assert that the usual unnamed “some” are asking for the police to be armed: odd, though, that the BBC failed AFAIAA to bring any of the “some” in front of the camera/microphone (unless the usual vox pop crapola produced some idiot passer-by with said opinion).
However, the role of the police (and media) in the soft peddling on racist Asian rape gangs went unmentioned.
If I am correct – I do have a habit of only partially listening to My Master’s Voice – he also labelled the police ‘the last great unreformed’ public service in the UK.
If that was correct could anyone help Easton and name another?
And yes I agree it was an utter disgrace that Easton’s first reaction is to extract political capital. He should be sacked for it.
Don’t you mean “racist Muslim rape gangs”?
Yes I realised after posting. My apolagies though my excuse is that the indoctrination is all pervasive.
‘the last great unreformed’ public service in the UK eh?
Is that code for the last public service body not doing as Labour commands?
I’m not aware of any ‘reformed’ public service in the UK.
They all seem to be run for the benefit of the employees, riddled with spanish practices, over-employment, feather-bedding, and costing us about twice what they should.
I’ll make an exception for the BBC – it is not costing us twice what it should.
That’s because it shouldn’t be costing us anything.
To be fair, I don’t think the policemen on the street intentionally go soft on Muslim rape gangs. What happens is that the police want to go after them, and then the senior officers, who have all been selected not for good policing but for affirmative action and media-training, and they ‘re-direct’ the efforts of their teams in order to minimise ‘bad’ publicity.
Quite so; such delicate matters must be dealt with “sensitively” in order to maintain “community cohesion”.
Also at all the community cohesion meetings, where the publicly funded social services staff, the publicly funded CPS and all the other publicly funded alphabet agencies which have had over a decade of authoritarian, fascistic “diversity training” imposed on them upon fear of sacking and prosecution, all rush to the defence of the Islamic Community to protect community relations.
They happily sacrifice the lives of white children to protect their own feelings of politically correct superiority and to protect vile Islamic perverts.
They are all sick and this vile cancer of political correctness MUST be stamped out!
And then for afters we had a criminogist interviewed together with a Times journalist and both agreed that the issue was that the Filth just weren’t putting enough effort into reaching out to the ‘communidee’.
Needless to say, there was no one around to point out that the years 1997 – 2010 were the era of ‘Enhanced Thinking Courses’, community (non)punishments and liason officers all round. In Beebland the solution to the failures of liberalism is always more liberalism.
Being pedantic, it was the ipcc who were in charge of the case. They had taken over, they should have meet with the relatives, (the ipcc should have told them straight, which won’t happen as they are more PC than the Lib/Dems).
The ease with which a subject can reach ‘sainthood’ status in this country is worrying, at that point all rational discussion and reality ceases. e.g We don’t talk about Tomlinson and his many years of being an Alcoholic, as at that point he may have vastly contributed to his own death.
Yes, and that Tomlinson’s family were so ‘loving’ that he had to live rough.
But if there’s a few quid to be had, all of a sudden they ‘can’t get over the loss’, etc.
It always was a ‘compo’ case; I was just waiting for them to finally get around to it. There is another strange twist to the affair. Go onto ‘Google News’, search for the Harwood case. You will find reports from the papers of the two weeks prosecution case and the verdict. You will not find a single report of the nearly two week defence part of the case. Check and it is spooky!!!!
Absolutely – poor guy lived alone under a bridge for 10 years, but when his last minutes were videoed, the loving family came out.
Smelling the chance of a big pay-out, aided by the BBC’s ongoing publicity campaign…
I would like to draw a contrast between the behaviour of the constable concerned in Tomlinson’s death and his subsequent punishment , and what people close to a riot could expect at the hands of the CRS in France.
No one in France would have raised a peep over what we saw on video.
I think that we expect far too much restraint from the police when they are on the front line or close to it.
The BBC and their liberal cronies just wade in whenever a police officer may , in their opinion, have used more than the absolute minimum of force.
Demonstrations are all part of a society that values free speech but when one turns into a riot it is likely that some people will get hurt. These situations are inherently dangerous for the demonstrators and the police and I don’t think we should blame the police so easily if they occasionally use a little more than minimum force in trying to keep order. I think that the police are currently so concerned of being pilloried by the media that they are in danger of not being able to do their job properly . Their failure in the riots that follwed Duggan being one example. But the root of that failure was what the media, the BBC being the most prominent , had been reporting and commentating about for years and the politicians repeated failure to defend the police.
If this continues then we will see more and more mobs and rioting on the streets.
In the Tomlinson case though he was a fairly harmless old pisshead who just got in the way. PC Smelly (YCMIU) should have steered him away – not thumped him.
That said the fault also lies with the rioters for creating the conditions for Smelly’s reaction in the first place.
After all, if violence creates vilolence (as the left love to say) they can’t really complain when they act violently and people get hurt in return, can they?
Utter left wing nonsense.
Is Mark Easton in Manchester or working from home? He sounded echoey, taken aback and somewhat peeved even to be asked to pontificate.
I can’t bear to read his website blogs any more, his churnalism is so transparent it is embarrassing.
A zero on the Entwhistle creativity scale.
He may have been in a cell. Accused of wasting police time, being a public nuisance and masquerading as an impartial, truth-seeking journalist.
He doesn’t seem to blog anymore – just a load of vapid tweets.
The Cregan case undermines just about every argument against the death penalty and shows just how ugly are it’s squeamish opponents.
Here’s how: http://john-moloney.blogspot.com/
On the anniversary of the riots I lstened to radio 4 accounts of revisits to the riot areas and how da communities had since pulled together. Whilst stop and search by the police was cited as a factor, no one mentioned St Duggan, and most said there were due to lack of opportunities and a shortage of yoof clubs.
There are some really serious issues in regards to policing revealed in the ambush and murder of these 2 young poilcewomen. Most of the issues can be laid at the door of the last Govt thanks to “targets”.
We have some of the strictest gun ownership laws in the World and yet a man gun down 4 people and run around throwing hand grenades for 4 months and not get caught.
Hand grenades are military weapons. The first one he threw would have dispersed shrapnel everywhere and this would have revealed the origins of it to the forensic service.
I suspect that “targets” have reduced our police service to the lowest common denominator; solve the easiest crimes first to demonstrate how good you are whilst downgrading specialist services like the firearms unit tasked with dealing with illegal firearms possession and criminal activity.
Clearly this unit is either completely useless or so under-staffed that they were unable to tie evidence to Creagan and charge him. Having worked with specialist units over many years I know that they have vast networks of snouts that provide a running commentary of what is happening and who is doing what, within a certain criminal environment. I suspect that due to “targets” this unit is understaffed and under resourced and therefore unable to get the job done.
So lets see if our esteemed Home Secretary can take her mind off marriage equality and deal with the serious crime that robs innocent people of their lives.
Lets see of the BBC can focus crime reporting and investigation on serious crime and leave issues like celebrities twitter abuse to one side.
Theresa May said early on in her tenure that she was going to scrap targets. Never happened. She’s had plenty of time to do something about it.
FWIW, Inspector Gadget has long been a proponent of armed police, and brings this up in his latest. Even though he calls out the media for blaming the police, he spends more of the post bitching about the Tories, whom he hates as much as any Beeboid does.
I read gadget now and again. He’s ‘Labour’ in his views on how much money should be thrown at the police and their, but certainly (proper) Tory on his views on crime and punishment.
Proper Tory because he’s out there on the streets every day getting a severe dose of reality, not sitting in central London working for a ‘left-leaning’ think-tank.
s/b police and their pensions
The repulsive brute that so callously took two innocent lives and destroyed two families will be incarcerated for the rest of his life. Why? What on earth is the point of spending millions to keep such a creature alive?
He gave himself up almost immediately so seems to have little regard for the consequences.
Surely a rope, a short walk and a long drop may just have made him reconsider. Just a thought…
You’ll never get the death penalty installed for something like this because of the “the police/court system/whatever are incompetent/racist/crooked and an innocent person might get executed” school of thought. However, if a reasonable minimum body count was set, different story. No innocent person ever got done for mass murder or a killing spree.
Yes, when you think that the second lot of would-be tube bombers are now appealing their convictions, despite all the evidence against them, it seems like folly to expect justice these days.
There is no evidence that the death penalty deters murder. As Prof. Gordon Hawkins of the Honest Politicians Guide to Crime Control was liable to say (paraphrasing) It is the certainty of capture, trial and sufficient punishment that deters. That requires a better police force not a more apologetic one.
That said, the police have a greater burden of care than the the citizen precisely because they have legal permission to use violence in performance of their duties. Surely that includes being able to distinguish an alky old tosser from Occupy mob?
Can we have a new board please