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  1. George R says:
    October 12, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    SYRIA: the Islamic ‘rebels’ and their allies.

    On Syria, the following appear to be on the same political side:-

    Saudi Arabia, al Qaeda, Qatat, Turkey, most Sunni Islamic countries, plus the political classes of E.U, U.S, and of U.K (inc INBBC).

    “Saudi Arabia calls for new international body to censor Internet of content critical of Islam”

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/10/saudi-arabia-calls-for-new-international-body-to-censor-internet-of-content-critical-of-islam.html

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  2. chrisH says:
    October 12, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    I can tell you this.
    The whole BBC “enquiry”…or even “enquiries” will soon boil down to how or whether Andrew Gilligan used the correct colour of pen when he wrote in his Filofax.
    The BBC have truly learned from Hutton….enough to get by as long as THEY set the terms of reference.
    See-very Hutton again!
    But Biased BBC is here now….and , unlike the dupes and trusting saps of old…we need only one word -BALEN.
    Let me count the days before the BBC goes the way of the Church of England…and we`ve got the time to enjoy it too!

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  3. Bias BBC News Flash at 21:16 says:
    October 12, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    Breaking Bias News: BBC use the programme Have I Got News For You to hurl abuse at the Tories, deflect blame from itself regards the Jimmy Savile abuse and make a terrible attack on the Daily Mail. Worst bias ever to be seen on the BBC… iPlayer link to follow.

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    • Guest Who says:
      October 12, 2012 at 9:45 pm

      It was… interesting.
      Rather than avoiding the subject they spent about five minutes of a comedy programme not being funny and pontificating around a bunch a rehashed attempts at misdirection that have have trotted out this last week and all consumately filleted outside the Beeboid-controlled bubble for the desperate, self-deluding tripe they all are.
      It’s all the tabloids’ fault for not catching a BBC employee at ‘work’ in his changing room at the BBC? Really? That’s the best you can do? Oh, and Ken wishing death on the PM. Again.
      No wonder they all decided humour was off the menu tonight.
      Bias they might have got away with; being pompous, po-faced shrews in defence of what cannot be defended but pays their wages… they might come to regret.

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    • FrankFisher says:
      October 12, 2012 at 9:48 pm

      And yet the adolescent hordes on Twitter are raving about this episode – dignified, cutting, placing blame where it’s deserved: on the Mail!

      I feel like an alien in my own country these days. I literally cannot understand how people can think this way. How they could watch the horrifically scripted little blamestorming session, and *agree* with it. Sickening.

      Painful.

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  4. FrankFisher says:
    October 12, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Thanks to HIGNFY we now know who is to blame for the Jimmy Savile cover-up: Thatcher, and the Daily Mail.

    That was just about the most shocking three minutes of TV I have ever seen. Utterly shameless obfuscation, distortion, smears. These people are shameless.

    I’ll never buy Private Eye again, I’ll tell you that.

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    • +james says:
      October 12, 2012 at 9:46 pm

      If this is true, then that is a peach for the Daily Mail.

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      • Pounce_uk says:
        October 12, 2012 at 11:45 pm

        Frankfisher wrote:
        “Thanks to HIGNFY we now know who is to blame for the Jimmy Savile cover-up: Thatcher, and the Daily Mail.”

        I watched that and I was too noticed how the bBC, tried to deflect criticism of its blind eye towards JS. I also noticed that HIGNFY was rather blunt this evening about everything, Tories,Lib dems, Lance Armstrong and their dyke presenter really lapped up being top dog for the night. However by been so blunt on every topic nobody can really accuse them of trying to defend themselves against..Jimmy Saville. Very crafty, however what they didn’t mention in their little outburst is how the bBC axed a program about Savilles peccadilloes years back when his fingers were doing the walking. Instead they tried to blame…Maggie Thatcher. Err Jimmy Saville became a DJ for the bBC in 1964. Maggie came to power in 1979. She left power in 1991 saville stopped working for the bBC in 1994.
        Strange how the facts don’t fit in with the bBCs allegations.
        The bBC, the defenders of pedophiles in the UK: be they DJs, Muslims or just leftwing heroes

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  5. Paddytoplad says:
    October 12, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    HIGNFY just jumped the shark

    Basically it was used as a mouth piece to defend the beeb, to deflect criticism of the beeb for Jimmy saville and to blame the daily mail.

    They then thought it was odd that the mail was asking for leveson to include the beeb.

    Claire balding then attacked the mail for having scantily clad women and yet last night buzzcocks verbally raped one of their guests.

    Sad day

    I used to like have I got news

    I used to respect hyslop

    I used to like Claire balding

    But tonight they turned to the dark side

    Beeboid scum

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    • George R says:
      October 12, 2012 at 10:59 pm

      I was quite stunned by this Beeboid nasty propaganda for itself in taking over ‘HIGNFY’ in what amounted to a blatant political rant and cover-up.

      And the Beeboids’ vitriol there is so self-righteous.

      For those who haven’t seen it, take a look:
      – how the Beeboids behave when their gravy train is threatened.

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    • LostOverHere says:
      October 13, 2012 at 1:10 am

      That was disgusting.

      A shallow attempt to pre-empt the enquiry by getting their excuses in first. If this does become a full criminal investigation surely this is contempt of court?

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    • MartinW says:
      October 13, 2012 at 9:18 am

      Yes, HIGNFY was shocking last night (12 Oct 12). They tried their very hardest to deflect blame from the BBC, and Merton’s appalling slur on Margaret Thatcher blatantly trying to link her (uniquely) with Savile was outrageous. We all know that Merton never laughs or smiles at anything derogatory of the Labour Party or any other left-wing cause (or Obama, for that matter) or indeed contributes anything when a lefty topic comes up, but tonight he overstepped the mark by a long way. Ian Hislop, by contrast, is usually even handed. I was disappointed, however, in his defensive stance regarding Private Eye. I do not believe PR was unsure of the verity of the stories about Savile: it was only that they lacked the courage to print them. So why could Hislop not have said that?
      Lastly – Claire Balding. Her feminist rant was out-of-place, and so were some of her remarks. Many of the so-called jokes she read off the autocue were gross and inappropriate, though I blame the writer for those.
      [P.S. What a superb series Hislop’s ‘Stiff Upper Lip’ is proving to be].

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      • chrisH says:
        October 13, 2012 at 9:34 am

        Marvellous bit of telly!
        For all Hislops “countercultural ” pretensions, you saw what they`re all really like.
        Anyone getting paid to appear on these kind of shows will have the necessary mindset required for team Beeb.
        Even when Linehan was made to look a fool by the Today Show-within a few months he needs the love that only the BBC give these types.
        To be fair to Savile he didn`t need the BBCs love-but that of forced kiddies instead.
        Now had he needed the love of the BBC like Peel did, he`d be better protected by the BBC.
        Scandalous bit of telly-shows the liberal elite as the nasty, Daily Mail reflex gagging frauds and fakes that they all are.
        And-need I say-embarrassingly unfunny-which was surely the whole point of sharpening their turd of a show!

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  6. As I See It says:
    October 12, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    That victim compensation culture so beloved of the BBC is about to come back home and bite it…..

    “Jimmy Savile’s alleged victims set to sue BBC and Stoke Mandeville hospital”

    “Personal injury lawyer preparing cases by several women seeking compensation over psychological damage caused”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/12/jimmy-savile-bbc-hospital-court?newsfeed=true

    Of course the tax payer will ultimately pick up the tab.

    Meanwhile Newsnight is busy chatting to friendly talking heads who are convinced Newsnight did nothing wrong.

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    • +james says:
      October 12, 2012 at 10:55 pm

      Just watched that. Their friend from the Guardian had claimed the the tabloids never tried to out Savile.

      Yet from what I have read in 2008 the Sun tried to publish a photograph of Savile at the children’s home in Jersey after he had denied being there. But Savile used his lawyers to stop publication of the photo.

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      • Beeboidal says:
        October 12, 2012 at 11:25 pm

        Yes, continuing the HIGNIFY theme it’s now the tabloids fault. So far I think the score is up two Beeboids who walked in and caught Savile ‘at it’. How’s that for evidence, Mr Hislop?

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        • Andy S. says:
          October 13, 2012 at 2:44 am

          Someone should ask Hislop why Private Eye didn’t “out” Savile when they had the chance?

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          • Guest Who says:
            October 13, 2012 at 7:24 am

            ‘Someone should ask Hislop why Private Eye didn’t “out” Savile when they had the chance? ‘
            That would be a question of a power whose accounts appear to depend on who they hold allegiance to for career purposes.
            A metaphor for events going back decades?
            It seems Private Eye has a unique notion of what needs to be exposed and what is better kept private. One presumes on-record staff testimony doesn’t pass the oddly variable watertight oversight test for some, where ‘source’ gossip can often serve when it suits.
            For some reason.

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            • johnnythefish says:
              October 13, 2012 at 10:28 am

              ‘That would be a question of a power whose accounts appear to depend on who they hold allegiance to for career purposes’.

              Spot on. Hislop has ceased to be the impartial scourge of the political and media scum of this country and just another BBC-funded, agenda-compliant mouthpiece. I bought a recent issue of Private Eye (about one a year – part of my holiday reading) and I was surprised at the amount of Mail-bashing in it – almost obsessive. Whereas it wasn’t that long ago on HIGNFY that he rounded on David Mitchell for mocking a Mail headline which criticised police for being more ineterested in petty motoring offences than burglary and muggings with a question something like ‘Exactly what is made up about that headline?’. Mitchell looked well taken aback and for once was speechless.

              Great shame. The man’s lost his dignity.

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  7. George R says:
    October 12, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    “Growing pressure on the ‘invisible man’ who quashed the Newsnight report”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/growing-pressure-on-the-invisible-man-who-quashed-the-newsnight-report-8209731.html

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    • Guest Who says:
      October 13, 2012 at 7:17 am

      ‘Presenter Eddie Mair said the BBC had declined to field an executive for the studio discussion which followed the report.’
      Eh? They asked themselves and they didn’t fancy turning up?
      Makes some CECUTT dismissals seem almost rational.
      And this from a medium that is not a foaming right wing rag.
      Yet for some, the best shot is to lash about trying to spread the dirt around in hope of distracting where the source of all this was and is.
      All that is being revealed; all the questions being asked. Yet a key protagonist issues a blog post statement that ignores feedback and closes PDQ as things swing off narrative, and is never heard from again.
      I wonder, if Newsnight felt any other power was needing to be held to account for such behaviour, they would be so tolerant and patient. Jezza? Kirsty? Gavin? George? Helen?
      Something different this time? Something ‘unique’?

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  8. George R says:
    October 13, 2012 at 12:28 am

    “Clunk, click? This is a full-scale pile-up”

    By QUENTIN LETTS

    [Excerpt]:

    “THE mood inside BBC high command is a mixture of panic and despair. A primetime BBC radio presenter says: ‘Morale is worse than it was during the Hutton Inquiry — we expect three or four senior people to be axed.’ Lord Hutton’s report in 2003 led to the departure of both the chairman and the director-general of the BBC. ”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2216995/Clunk-click-This-scale-pile-up.html#ixzz2988jqVhl
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

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    • Guest Who says:
      October 13, 2012 at 7:02 am

      ‘THE mood inside BBC high command is a mixture of panic and despair’
      How it is percolating down is also interesting. Most minions have wisely have decided to hunker down, but the night shift has appeared to miss the memo and is still apparently on piece work rates.
      Meanwhile…
      Sky News ‏@SkyNews

      Savile: ‘Victims’ Prepare To Sue NHS And BBC http://bit.ly/Ov9G1Y
      As predicted, it appears that it has become ‘our’ BBC to the extent that no power will get held to account, and no questions will be tolerated as a lot of lawyers get rich divvying up the compo splashed around to make this go away so folk can keep their jobs and ‘move on’.

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  9. dez says:
    October 13, 2012 at 5:54 am

    Interesting.
     
    In this thread two weeks ago I sarcastically suggested that Jimmy Saville had abused under-age girls because he was a devout Christian.
     
    http://wp.me/p2iY2H-2Y1
     
    My purpose was to highlight the blatant hypocrisy of his blog.
     
    But David Preiser fatuously replied that;
     
    “Dez is pretending that the people those links are about have stated that their religious beliefs directed them to view certain young girls as lesser beings and valid targets…”
     
    Well here you go David:
     
    “”Jimmy Saville, told [the senior producer]… that he had a relationship with the man upstairs [God], who basically allowed him to do things like that – because of all the work he did for charity” (Richard Pearson, Channel 4 News)
     
    http://goo.gl/EGM7A
     
    I wonder what this blog’s reaction would be if he’d said he had a “relationship with Mohammed”?
     
    What d’ya reckon…?
     

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    • Pounce_uk says:
      October 13, 2012 at 7:16 am

      Dez wrote:
      “In this thread two weeks ago I sarcastically suggested that Jimmy Saville had abused under-age girls because he was a devout Christian.”

      Says the person who goes out of his way to defend a whole faith when its followers use the same bloody excuse in which to pile little girls with drugs,alcohol and cocks.

      BTW, in the Uk Christians report kiddy fiddlers to the police, Muslims not only remain stum, but they blame the victim.

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    • AngusPangus says:
      October 13, 2012 at 1:08 pm

      1. Show me where in the New Testament it extols the virtues of shagging pre-teen girls.

      2. Then let’s discuss Aisha.

      Your stupid lefty relatavism is so messed up.

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    • RCE says:
      October 13, 2012 at 3:03 pm

      To carry on from Angus, if I may:

      3. Were all the people at the BBC who covered for Savile devout Christians too? Does this include the editor who pulled the Newsnight item?

      4. When you speak of ‘the hypocrisy of this blog’ do you include yourself, Scott, Jim Dandy, Nicked Emus and David ‘not-seen-or-heard-of-since-Pakistani-grooming-gangs-became-so-obviously-a-massive-problem-that-even-I-can’t-pretend-it-doesn’t-exist-anymore’ Gregory?

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:
      October 13, 2012 at 10:34 pm

      Hey, Dez, “that’s just Jimmy”, not the people you linked to at the time. You have no evidence that my remark about those people used religious texts to inform their behavior was fatuous.

      Jimmy didn’t point to any specifically Christian doctrine, did he? You’ll have to show me chapter and verse. Literally.

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  10. Guest Who says:
    October 13, 2012 at 9:04 am

    One from those wonderful folk who bring you ‘we are comfortable in our belief that we get everything about right’:
    BBC Radio 4 Today ‏@BBCr4today
    Sir Christopher Bland on Newsnight #Savile film: The idea that somebody higher up the organisation said ‘pull it’ just doesn’t work #r4today

    Tell me BBC Radio 4, what was it about the ‘former Chairman of the Board of Governors of the BBC (1996 to 2001)’ that first attracted you to quote him on this issue?

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    • Guest Who says:
      October 13, 2012 at 9:23 am

      BBC Radio 4 Today ‏@BBCr4today
      Today’s running order http://bbc.in/Ptezdp #r4today
      The way the BBC Editorial (Omission) Guidelines are getting interpreted these days, maybe it would be more helpful to have a ‘what’s not running’ order?
      May save some time.

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      • Guest Who says:
        October 13, 2012 at 9:27 am

        ‘Sir Christopher Bland, chairman of the BBC Board of Governors from 1996 to 2001 joins us to discuss the announcement.’
        An ex-BBC boss alone chatting with current BBC employees about what happens at the BBC. Uh-huh.
        The BBC, and a discussion on the often unique meaning of the word ‘discuss’. Discuss.

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        • chrisH says:
          October 13, 2012 at 9:47 am

          Bland is grand as Wogan used to say!
          The BBC High Command are busy doing the College thump to summon all their old boys back around the flag…so up pops Bland(what`s in a name eh?).
          These sodden grandees of privilege slept throughout Saviles stalking of the lower decks, whereas they were cruising in first class, as to the manner born.
          So give `em a gin and prop `em up back at the Captains table for on last hurrah….all Beeb-infected licence fee fleas to a man!
          Bland will say whatever Entwhistles Eton Rifles choose to write out for him in permanent marker on a big board! So he gets minutes of uninterrupted flannel to waffle down the wrong end of his ear trumpet for Brave Sir Johnny to note…no problems here, never were, Savile the fault of the NHS or Broadmoor…Beeb only employed him for hospital radio, and they acted in good faith(that`d be Islam then!).
          Yet it`s all good-can see the blatantly stupid tactics of the BBC now
          1. Get out the old boys, and shred the notes and phone numbers to Jimmy, Cyril or whoever. Your Geoff Boycott nightwatchmen playing a steady boring bat to Todays pea rollers/gentle lobs of “questions”.
          2. Spread the love…sorry blame…NHS, police social services, charities, Stoke Mandeville, Psychiatric hospitals, train stations, locker rooms, Brendan Foster, schools, churches…ah yes, churches…where`s Robert Piggott? Ed Stourton then?
          See-the BBC were merely one small part of a massive cover up…what else could the BBC do but keep the paedo in shellsuits, cigars and Rolls Royces for life…for in fact he abused the BBC too…ah, bless!
          That the BBC have serially fiddled and abused both kids and taxes is one thing…but that thay have continued to abuse we adults that pay for their sex rings and drugs culture is quite another.
          Time to stop the abuse-stop paying for the BBC and its fiddles…

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  11. TigerOC says:
    October 13, 2012 at 9:29 am

    Dez, Dez you are so typically leftoid and all your thoughts are so leftoid.

    First reaction; He did this because he is Christian. Surprised you didn’t drag a Catholic priest into the equation and tell us he learned the behaviour from his local priest.

    Sadly it appears you were never been raised as a Christian or didn’t listen to the creed. Christian teaching says that each one of us is given free choice and allowed to live our lives by free choice. The teachings of the Christ show us what is required of good Christians. If you choose to follow a path other than those defined by the teachings and then you will be judged by the codes implied in the teachings.

    As a society based on Christianity most of our moral codes are based in the teachings of Christ.

    JS was, I assume, raised as a Catholic. He chose to live his life in the way he did. That was his choice and his responsibility and he will be judged on the way he lived by God and by society. He is responsible for his own actions by FREE CHOICE.

    Only a leftoid makes someone else responsible for their wrongs; it was the Church, the employer, the police, the parents. No it was JS. Every person around him that had the power to stop his proclivity and didn’t is as guilty as him and as bereft of morals as him and deserve the same punishment because they made it possible for him to continue his evil.

    As is said; Evil flourishes when good men stand by and do nothing.

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    • chrisH says:
      October 13, 2012 at 3:09 pm

      Poor, poor Dez!
      A little learning is a dangerous thing…and no learning must be ever worse for the critter.
      Look Dez…Jimmy may not have known his New Testament, like yourself, but he had an excuse in that his era of Catholicism may have depended too much on what came out of the priests mouth(oo er)-and not enough about what the Bible-and in particular what Jesus Christ-actually said.
      I could give you the three accounts with some exegisis, but for now…get a friend, get the Bible and turn to Mark Chapter 9 (v.42-4).
      Then come back and give us all your reasons for saying that Christianity condones child abuse….I`d have thought Jesus was a bit down on it, hey yeah?
      And do let me know if you can give us the Koranic equivalent of this!…if you`d be so kind!

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  12. As I See It says:
    October 13, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Despite the Savile scandal that is currently distracting the BBC, it is interesting to note that the usual agitprop goes on day in day out

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-19931374

    “Cuts protest trio march from Cardiff to London”

    “A teacher, a civil servant and a fire fighter have begun a 156 mile (251 km) march from Cardiff to London in protest at UK government cuts.”

    “They left the Senedd in Cardiff Bay at 08:00 BST on Saturday and were being joined on the first leg of the walk to Newport by Bethan Jenkins, Plaid Cymru AM for South Wales West.

    Newport West Labour MP Paul Flynn will greet the walkers at a rally in Newport around midday.”

    “The TUC will hold a rally the following day to protest against the UK government’s austerity measures.”

    Non Union or Leftist balance?

    Here (in full) are the four last lines of the BBC report which takes up no less than 45 lines of text (ie 10% of the narrative).

    “Prime Minister David Cameron has said the government was doing “everything it can” to encourage growth in difficult economic times.

    During the Conservative conference he said they had cut the budget deficit by a quarter in two years and there were “positive signs” for the future.”

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    • johnnythefish says:
      October 13, 2012 at 10:35 am

      I wonder if anyone at the BBC understands a balance sheet?

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      • Guest Who says:
        October 13, 2012 at 11:05 am

        ‘I wonder if anyone at the BBC understands a balance sheet?’
        I think they concern themselves more with ‘balance’, but with about equal competence.
        As to accounts, in terms of ability, one suspects that by year’s end the fees will either need to go up to cover ‘extras’, or services will need further cutting to make up the shortfall.
        It’s doubtful the real reasons will be made too clear.

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      • David Preiser (USA) says:
        October 13, 2012 at 10:27 pm

        I think Caroline Thomson does, but the new boss eliminated her job, so she’s out.

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