Have a read of THIS letter of complaint to the BBC from Conservative MP Peter Lilley concerning his treatment on Newsnight.
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‘Inevitably the BBC lays itself open to the charge not just of inconsistency but of backing the side of the argument which gives ammunition to those of the statist, liberal left persuasion who want to control every aspect of the economy – a position with which the BBC has allowed itself to be associated.’
Ain’t that the truth.
Now the IPCC ‘consensus’ is being exposed as the result of 30 years of subtle fraud by core scientists, ‘Hansenkoism’, the alarmists are breaking cover and admitting it has always been a covert communist takeover.
The subtle bit has been the intention to usurp academia with pseudo-sciences, the best example of which is ‘Climate Change Science’, the aim being to place these people at the centre of the new World Marxist State.
The problem is of course, that these groups would be the first to be shot by those who then grab control.
,,,these groups would be the first to be shot by those who then grab control.”
If we’re lucky.
Drip Drip Drip.
Cover up over climate change
Cover up over paedophiles.
Common theme. The BBC knows what’s best.
Cover up
That is what the BBC hope use of the Chatham House Rule will allow them to do, with expensive lawyers paid for with our money.
They are desperate to stop us seeing how they schemed for the ideology and policies they pushed into our living-rooms.
If it had not been for an independent broadcaster they would be getting away with totally hiding the years of involvement in child-abuse.
‘the Chatham House Rule’
http://www.chathamhouse.org/about-us/chathamhouserule
Ah, rules.
Funny how they are often the one thing some folk love most, but then, when it suits, honour most in the breaking?
I think it must be a ‘unique’ thing.
‘Q. How is the Rule enforced?
A. Chatham House can take disciplinary action against one of its members who breaks the Rule. Not all organizations that use the Rule have sanctions. The Rule then depends for its success on being seen as morally binding.
So… about as much use as a market rate talent restaurant conversation to the real world then?
Well, I’m blaming Islam for this: Now Nicked Emus will have to think of something else to say.
Well judging by his last few attempts all he seems to have left in the armoury is’ Islam’ and er ‘wibble’ ! but now you have robbed him of one so everything else he says will naturally be the other !
Believe me, he won’t take up the climate change argument – he tried once before and ended up scurrying off with his tail between his legs.
Well, after hearing Dellingpole call for the use of Semtex on wind turbines, on yesterday’s Daily Politics, it got me thinking about how we could somehow convince Islamists that wind turbines are offensive to them.
Perhaps then, even I’d join the Guardian readers in referring to them as ‘freedom fighters’.
I’m blaming all the Daily Mail reading Little Englanders on this site for this.
Beat that my Welsh friend.
That wasn’t thinking of something different to say. Spouting “Daily Mail” and “Little Englander” doesn’t require thought, just a Pavlovian response.
OMG!!!!!
This is interesting — someone passing themselves off as me. The 1.51pm comment was not by me.
If I did take up the climate change argument then I deserve to run off. I normally never argue climate change as it has become like a religious debate and most arguments come down to people simply re-hashing their entrenched positions.
Ah – and the 2:20 wasn’t by me either. Moderators can check the IP address. It might tell them who it is
Interesting, it probably is someone else: they have used a capital E in Emus. Pointless and wrong and the administrators should try to prevent it (is there a way?)
Agreed. In this case it was harmless, but it could have been offensive and not easy for Nicked to prove his innocence.
Impersonating others isn’t funny.
True, but I have to say I didn’t notice the difference until it was pointed out.
I wasn’t looking for any difference – because I pas stright by all the waffle NE posts here – supercilious prat
Hi, yes we can. It was the commenter who usually posts as Earls Court who was passing himself off as Nicked Emus here.
Earls, please cease and desist.
Aww…poor you…
Is the Troll being Trolled?
Wel achan, mae rhaid i fi ddweud, nid fi oedd hynny chwaith!
dim ond fi sy’n dweud pethe yn Gymraeg yma!
Weren’t these the words John Redwood couldn’t sing?
But only one entrenched position seems to get the Beeb’s backing, eh, Nicked?
But fancy you not having a view on arguably the biggest issue facing mankind today – politically, environmentally, economically, scientifically.
Fancy that.
Well I never.
Oh no I have a view on it, I have a strong view and have done quite a lot of research into it. I just don’t bother arguing about it because it is one of those topics about which very few people keep an open mind.
Personally not too interested in your own views, though I suspect you are in the alarmist camp because of its barely-concealed socialist agenda. But it would be nice if you acknowledged the BBC are amongst the very few who keep an open mind.
Yes?
QED Nicked I think!
Missed a ‘not’ out there, I think!
So, it should have read ‘But it would be nice if you acknowledged the BBC are not amongst the very few who keep an open mind’.
Please feel free to answer too, Jim, as you’ve chosen to join the discussion.
Physicist here. All my lefty friends with absolutely no understanding of science tell me climate change is real. It’s become an integral part of their political world-view. It’s an exercise in frustration to try to explain to them the limits of (computational) physical models.
I note, with sadness and annoyance that in the piece by about the drought/flood on Toady this morning, the person from the Environment Agency (or whatever), slipped into the conversation (as they always do) the “climate change and associated extremes of weather” mantra without batting an eyelid.
I experienced quite sever floods after days of heavy rain whilst at school in Devon in 1959 – nobody mentioned climate change then, the weather wasn’t unprecedented and people coped with a shrug of the shoulders. Now it’s all doom and gloom, and finger-wagging portents of death and destruction because we humans dare to inhabit the earth.
Do they really expect us to believe that a changing climate is a recent thing, and that it’s inevitably bad? Do they think that we’re not capable of discerning for ourselves, that during our life span we experience good, bad, dry, wet, cold or hot years?
Why is every extra raindrop, gust of wind, or degree of summer warmth or winter cold attributed to climate change?
These people are supposedly intelligent beings, but just waffle the same old guff, whether it be about climate change in general, or CO2 in particular, without first examining the stupidity of what they are publicly saying.
Climate change – the phenomenon which has only become apparent since people twigged that money could be made upon the back of it.
The BBC – half the story, and invariably the wrong half.
I don’t re,member climate change being mentioned in the really severe winters of 1947. Or the disastrous North Sea floods in the 1950s. Or even Mr Fish’s hurricane of 1987.
Now HERE is some severe weather. And even the leftie Wikipedia site does not try to bring climate change in as a factor :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynmouth_Flood
jed, careful you re falling into the trap: climate change IS REAL, it has happened since the Earth formed!
Natural climate change is clearly real, but not the money-grabbing CAGW ‘you’re beathing out carbon-dioxide so pay more money to sit in the dark and die in the cold, or we’re all doomed’ so-called climate change.
Exactly, but by falling for their change from ‘global warming’ to ‘climate change denier’ they can gain a slight advantage so the answer always has to be aloud and clear NOBODY has ever denied climate change and nobody ever will, which then makes them have nowhere to go/ to explain themselves.
You knew it was political, when they trotted out “The science is settled.” Science is never settled, ever.
One lone, sane voice in the political wilderness of ‘climate change’.
However, I’m surprised at his endoresement of nearly all things IPCC – an organisation controlled by eco-fascists.
Here’s a starter for ten:
http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2012/10/26/ipcc-author-becomes-green-party-apparatchik/
But lots more in her book.
I suspect he’ll be told that they’ve looked into it and that they reckon they got it about right. And that their reply is not to be shared with anyone else.
In fact, given the letter was dated 11th September he’s probably been told that already.
It’s time the likes of Lilley started making their challenges during their interviews, then more and more people will wake up to what the BBC is up to. As it is, not many will be aware of his letter of complaint (brilliant though it is) and/or the BBC’s ‘response’.
” making their challenges during their interviews, ”
I saw it, and he did!
What, the breach of assurance aspect of his complaint?
‘not many will be aware of his letter of complaint (brilliant though it is) and/or the BBC’s ‘response’.’
Certainly the latter, if he obeys their response block requirements:
This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated.
Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it…
Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received.
Further communication will signify your consent to this.
‘In fact, given the letter was dated 11th September he’s probably been told that already.’
I wouldn’t bet on it; I’m still waiting for a response to three complaints I’ve made going back to May 2011!
Slightly off topic but I find it unsurprising that the damage caused by Hurricane Sandy, on the US East Coast hasn’t produced an appeal on the bbc for money and other assistance. It seems that poor people in the West are less deserving of charity than those in the godforsaken parts of the world that regularly show up on our screens.
Also, compare the stoicism of the US citizens in response to this calamity with that of the usual third world panic, chaos and incompetence. And socialists think all societies are equally valid.
“And socialists think all societies are equally valid.”
Well socialists say that, but I’m betting when BBC executives, or MPs, travel across the Atlantic they prefer a First Class ticket on a Boeing 757 to a flying-carpet.
Then our culture’s reasoned discipline of right-or-wrong engineering seems better to them than fantasy thinking from a culture which they usually insist we respect above our own.
I’m truly curious, though, about whether they’d use that First Class ticket if they knew the 757 pilots were from a flying-carpet society.
@ j-i-c: Errm, maybe because the US has the resources they need to deal with the disaster.
There is a very ugly hint of racism in your post.
Agreement or disagreement aside, I think the comment was more about culture than race. It is possible to separate the two.
Boss of Ryan Air on R5 Nicky Campbell phone in managed to get in that the science of global warming was not settled and there had been no warming for the last 15 years, immediate response was- “are you a climate change denier?” Anyway at least he said it, it must have caused some panic in the control room and some fruity words in Nicky Campbell’s earpiece.
“are you a climate change denier?” – what is the best way to respond to that question? My first reaction would be to ask “What does that even mean?”
Possibly respond with “Are you one of the Science Corrupting, Alarmist Money-Milking Eco-Religion scammers?”.
They use the labelling tactic because it will work with most people. Use the same tactic against them.
How was scepticism of Catastrophic Anthropomorphic Global Warming ever allowed to be morphed by the MSM into denying climate change, when that scepticism was simply acknowledging the unchallenged dominance of natural climate change?
My reply: Climate change has been happening for millions of years, of course I don’t deny that.
On being accused of being a “climate denier”: Climate exists, how can anyone say otherwise.
I refuse to pander to the deliberate confusion of those who argue by narrative and their victims/unaware accomplices.
They hate the facts (which is why they resort to ad hominem attacks), so familiarise yourself with the basic arguments. Try here for starters:
http://joannenova.com.au/2011/03/new-here-the-ten-second-guide-to-the-world-of-skeptics/
“are you a climate change denier?”
Answer
If you are thick enough to assume I deny that the Climate Changes, then I cannot answer that question in a way that you could understand.
‘I’m still waiting for a response to three complaints I’ve made going back to May 2011!’
That’s not a delay, you’re not getting a response by the look of it. Why don’t you chase them up?
I find it pretty hard to believe there’s not more to it, as the BBC reponds to all complaints, bar a few exceptions.
They have been known to ‘forget’… and hope you do too.
A reminder usually perks ’em up… though the template ‘sorry not to reply before now, but we didn’t care’ can grate.
The BBc fail to respond to almost every complaint I’ve ever made. When they changed to their latest “ish” system with the reference numbers. I would often find that the reference number had dissapeared meaning I then had to make a new seperate complaint.
Good letter from Peter Lilley.
If HE gets no joy from the “science deniers” up at the top of the BBC, then we`re in trouble…in that we`ll have to find other ways of clipping the BBCs wings than a letter to a notable MP.
Michale O Learys interview that I heard on this site somewhere recently was brilliant-would urge anyone to listen, so you can see the BBC mindset as evidenced in Richard Bacons bedpan.
Christ-who`d know best…an Irish multimillionaire who lets me fly to Poland for £30….or a Tinga and Tucka double act of kids who know zippo apart from where to stash the drugs, business class at Stansted.
You know something?…I ask this, but the BBC would not have a hesitation in believing THEIR kids in the playpen…God Bless you Mr O Leary-keep putting your bedhead up the Guardians nightie, and watch the BBC get its attack of the vapours every time you do so!
Comedy Gold!
Peter Lilley is perfectly correct to complain to the BBC for their shabby treatment of him when he appeared on Newsnight (having just published a damning report via the GWPF on the failings of the infamous Stern report – you can find it here: http://www.thegwpf.org/peter-lilley-what-is-wrong-with-stern-the-failings-of-the-stern-review-of-the-economics-of-climate-change/ ).
I saw the edition in question, live, and was shocked, too, at just how blatantly the agenda for discussion was hijacked – some may even say mugged and left for dead – by the preceding piece by Susan Watts (a fully paid-up pro-CAGW cheerleader). It actually left me speechless with mute amazement.
Mr Lilley is also right to suggest he detected some discomfort in Paxo’s response to Watt’s p*sspoor attempt at sabotage; his body language and expression clearly conveyed his complete annoyance.
Well done, Mr Lilley – I applaud you for calling these morons out on their atrocious behaviour, and – please – keep up the fight.
Only just connected but only by Lilley another ex-boss of mine. Many many years ago when I was almost a grown up I used to be a rep with CPSA. Whilst attending the conference in Bournemouth – we were alerted that our boss aka Mr lilley was at the Wintergardens.
So we hastened over to find it was (to the best of my knowledge ) a meeting with Post office bosses concerning benefit payments. at that time the order book and giro were the instruments of payment.
Anyway rather than stop to answer our questions Lilley did a runner via the back passageway. As a decoy the euro tory candidate appeared at the front. A bannana was thrown at him (possibly) which missed him by about 20ft. Of course the local paper the next day ran the story “Euro candidate hit by bannana!”