How will the world cope with BBC journalists on strike? Radio 4 was a Today free zone this morning and my blood pressure the better for it! Are you enjoying the silence?
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I hadn’t known they were on strike but woke this morning to a lengthy R4 item about a big store (Comet) going bust and the effect on the local small businesses. I should have realised something was wrong when there were no interruptions or speeches from a political journalist about the government being to blame.
Then a brief new bulletin followed by another long piece by Ed Stourton about the Pope and his legacy.
Both items were interesting, informative and enjoyable! If only it could be like this all the time.
And typical of the strange mindset of the BBC they did not have the courtesy to tell us why the normal programs were not being aired. On a “need to know” basis, the BBC subscribers in the view of the BBC do not figure.
Strangely the likes of Nicky Cambell who claim they cannot tell the listeners how much they are paid because they are on an independent contract , are off today along with the striking employees. How does that work then ?
The B-BBC don’t realise it, but today was an advert for how little would be missed if they shut up shop! Unions destroyed the mines and industry in the UK, let’s hope they have chance to ruin the BBC too!!
Interesting ‘reporting’ from the BBC’s print arm in its Aldi reporting… ‘I like this bit of news so I’ll print it. But I don’t like this bit of news so I won’t’:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/feb/18/bbc-strike-radio-4-today?CMP=EMCMEDEML665
Wasn’t convinced the show was forced, so much as walked off?
But it gets better…
‘BBC1’s Breakfast is replaced by repeats of Bargain Hunt and Escape to the Country’
How on earth can anyone tell the difference?
‘Strikers outside the corporation’s London headquarters, New Broadcasting House, resisted “strongarm tactics” by unnamed “senior members of staff”, according to the union. The NUJ claimed that some BBC managers suggested to freelancers that their future work would be affected as they arrived to staff the graveyard shifts.”
Not one to defend BBC SMOFS, but this NUJ press release, faithfully run by the Graun, seems up to almost Newsnight standards of journalistic rigour. All claims and sources but no actual substance, like Scott in full flounce (fair’s fair, he did use the midnight shift to get a few in).
Graun comments interesting, ranging from the usual suck-ups to a few rather fun ones.
Having fun hitting the recommend on a few choice barbs which will miff the faithful until the main crew get to work, clock on… and start surfing all day until the threads close before the real working public get a chance to comment.
bbc/nuj on strike
I think we’ll manage 🙂
Reminiscent of Douglas Adam’s “National Philosophers Strike” – “Who will that inconvenience?”
It brings home the complete reliance of the public on the BBC for discussion of current affairs. Driving into work today, I could find no single non-BBC radio station to give me analysis of today’s news. Can anyone point me to one?
No. But you could pretend to be Blind and ask the Blind Institute if there are any talking newspapers. But I think you would need an Internet connection in the car.
Get interested in internet radio/podcasts,and bypass the BBC altogether. There are various ways of listening – Use the Itunes program on your computer (which is avalable to download free on the internet) listen on your computer or transfer the audio to an MP3 player. If you have an android phone or tablet there are free programs (apps) which enable you to tune in to internet radio and podcasts . If you want a complete antedote to the BBC, try searching for the Alex Jones Radio Show (one of the biggest on the internet). Even the mention of Alex Jones will raise anger in lefty types, so I expect some venomous responses ……
I thank everyone for their suggestions, but they’re not terribly practical for my car radio while driving to work. I did once try the TuneIn Radio app for my phone, which I hooked up to the car stereo, but sadly my cheap smartphone was struggling and anyway, it would drive a coach and horses through my data allowance.
I just had to console myself with a long overdue listen to Mike Oldfield’s Amarok instead.
I swapped to listen to TalkSport. My blood pressure is down and my fantasy football team has reaped the benefit!
Wonder why there are no British equivalents ? It would be good to have someone at least sending out a balancing view to that of the BBC and their liberal elite chums. Of course the number of listeners would be tiny because the BBC has just about pushed any other news and current affairs providers off the air.
Weny to bed last night thinking that the BBC can be alright-“Something Understood” still holds to something approaching Reithian standards…and was its usual understated and thoughtful self (thank you Mark Tully).
Not just that either-listened to “Feedback” a few hours earlier and heard a BBC pup try to tell some Archers biddies that they need to get younger, get on Twitter and stop mithering him. His salary and budget, the cost of scrapping that message board really has f***all to to with you old farts…and f** you, it`s closing even quicker, now I`ve met you!
Great radio-two bald men fighting over a comb!
And I awoke to Something Wonderful although it wasn`t called that.
Something about some molecular biologist who overcame early tragedies and setbacks who won a Nobel prize…great story of Mario Kopaneck(?) and well told by Tim Harford.
A joy to behold-and then I knew that Evan and zoo team weren`t holding forth…strike!..Salford under water?
Ah…strike!
Thank you NUJ…no crap about fizzy drinks, why horsemeat has nothing to do with Europe and everything to do with Rupert and no condoms from the Vatican…
As Van the Man once said (Coney Island)…why can`t it be like this all the time?
Thank you BBC-lock the f**ers out and lets see that brave revolution over braziers; that they exhort …as “modelled” by Tinselworms and Masons aprons that infest the BBC.
The “Children of the Revolution” eh?…”Won`t be Fooled again”. For Gods sake lock `em out, and I myself guarantee a parcel of velveteen, corduroy and gay parasols, so they can stay warm and dry , once they`ve shown those rough old miners how it OUGHT to have been done back in 1985?
Have the NUM winkled Arthur out by now then…wasn`t his house for life conveniently placed for action such as this near Bloomsbury?
Come on Arthur…Laura, and Owen need to see how it`s done…Polly, Tony and Evan can revisit those Thatcher years and update the archives for us all, whilst we`re at it?
Or are the cameras and mics locked away for the day-they ARE ours arent they?
National Appeal for Panstick anybody…Red noses are so Winterval, don`t you know?
Your contribution is full of opinion but not a single fact as far as I can see. You make a lot of points but no empirical evidence for any of it. Nothing wrong with that of course. We all have things we believe in and get angry about, but the thing I take away from your piece it that you simply don’t like news.
Personally I think it’s important we hear from doctors that fizzy drinks can cause harm. Had the Today programme been broadcast I’m sure we’d have had an input from the fizzy drinks manufacturers giving a contrary position.
If you don’t like news there are plenty of radio stations playing music.
“you simply don’t like news”
If you truly believe there is just” news” you are naive to the point of idiocy. It is like saying there is just “history”. Nope, there are historians.
@ Roland…
You are right, in that the BBC has the monopoly of news radio stations here in the UK. That’s hardly surprising of course when their funding is so vast and their coverage is without adverts. A natural consequence of a state funded corporation financed by an army of enforcement officers and the courts of our country. Did someone ask where our freedom has gone?
This site is of course one of the many alternatives to the state media monopoliser but it is only on the net, as yet, and as we know well if the sneerers at the BBC had their way this would be closed down, in the same way that they are trying to shut down News International, and they are well on their way to succeeding there already.
There are of course many dozens of digital stations covering news that can be obtained by using an iPad/iPad, or similar, with a Wi-Fi converter connected to your car radio, that’s if your car radio cannot get digital radio directly. I am listening to one at the moment. However the stations tend to be mainly from the USA, you know the place, it’s across the Atlantic pond and used to be called the land of the free. But Someone is trying to interfere with that freedom of choice over there, so enjoy it whilst you can.
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ER News from Washington has just given me an update on the BBC NUJ strike in Britain. It was factual and informative, without bias and did not have a statement from a Labour shadow minister blaming the Tory cuts for all of the world’s problems.
A saving of £145.00 per annum will be an addition bonus for dumping the BBC and getting all of the news on the net via digital radio or TV Catchup. You see there is more than one silver lining to this strike
The BBC is not state funded! Called a licence fee we all pay (or don’t as some of the brave boys here claim but never prove).
There are hundreds of radio stations run by Vance’s beloved commercial sector, mostly playing the same 30 records over and over. Nobody stops the public listening to them.
The public however vote with their fingers on the dial. Which means the BBC.
Tough eh!
It is fundeded by a tax I must pay if I
(sorry pressed wrong button) It is funded by a tax I must pay if I want to legally own a television. And I am one of those that prefer to do things legally. If I do not pay the tax (or you may consider it a bribe to the state to get their permission to watch not just the state broadcaster but any broadcaster) I could be threatened with a fine. If I do not pay the fine the state could throw me in jail. Without that threat and without the state making it illegal to own a television without paying who would still be paying? It cannot be argued that because I can elect not to have a television it is not a tax. I can elect not to buy petrol that does not stop fuel tax being a tax.
A gold star from the Clinton Semantic Society and a fast-track to a BBC Directorship for you!
‘Called a licence fee we all pay’
It could be called a Parrot for all many care, but when it’s dead, and rotting, it’s still a dead one.
(or don’t as some of the brave boys here claim but never prove).’
Such proof of a negative being possible how, genius?
‘mostly playing the same 30 records over and over’
The rich diversity of BBC output being a matter of record itself.
‘Nobody stops the public listening to them.’
Because no one needs to. The public can simply cease to support them if found wanting.
‘The public however vote with their fingers on the dial. Which means the BBC.’
Plus Government backed compulsion in fine and/prison. Well on TV. Radio is not covered.
‘Tough eh!’
Indeed. Not even a question in your… mind. A prevailing attitude, last used by a BBC Producer about his twitter invulnerability.
Keep up the good… work.
Oh dear, I have inadvertently kicked a stone with something nasty under it.
A brain washed socialist with for tendency for nit picking, sneering and missing the point.
However if poked with a good stick and then re-educated over a few weeks with common sense and honesty they can be helped back to reality and then live useful and productive lives.
Some are of course lost causes but even then they still deserve our sympathy and lots of state benefits, or even an overpaid job at the BBC explaining why Climate Change is as real as Father Christmas and why Jo Brand should be made saint.
@ Ms Cold Tits of course
Saying it isn’t a tax because I don’t have to pay for it if I give up watching television, is as accurate (i.e. stupid) as saying that Income Tax is not a tax as I don’t have to pay it if I choose not to work.
“The BBC is not state funded!”
Sorry, Colditz, you are wrong – the bbc is state funded.
The licence fee is set by the Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport, and the licence fee is levied and enforced by the use of Statutory Instruments.
The bbc collects the licence fee but it is paid into the Government’s Consolidated Fund. The Department of Culture, Media and Sport then funds the bbc.
The bbc is state funded.
Oh….what’s this i see?
It’s Colditz arse, on a plate being handed to him.
Ouch! I bet that hurt! (Or at least I hope it did)
Many of us have been begging the State to sell off and privatise the bBC and force it to stand on its own two feet – instead of ours.
“There are hundreds of radio stations run by Vance’s beloved commercial sector, mostly playing the same 30 records over and over. Nobody stops the public listening to them.”
And none, certainly in my neck of the woods, analysing and discussing current affairs. Because anyone wishing to set up such a station has been crowded out by the state-funded BBC.
About time there was a Wimmins radio station.
“The BBC is not state funded”
Wrong. The TV Licence Fee is a tax created by an act of parliament and enforceable in the courts just as every other licence, fee or duty. The money raised by the tax is paid into the Consolidated Fund (after some of the money is skimmed off by DCMS), and then that money s topped up by the Treasury (i.e. funded by other peoples’ taxes or borrowing) to cover ther cost of license fees for the over 75’s and some of the costs of the World Service, and paid to the BBC.
So it is state funded then?
I HAVE to fund the State and unfortunately, I HAVE to fund the BBC.
If I’m funding the State that in turn funds the BBC then what’s the real difference?
The Guardian went that-a-way
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Just asking, how is the Guardian doing lately? Last I heard someone had proposed some kind of tax or licence to keep it afloat. If it were to die there will be lots of Guardian reporters heading to the BBC in Manchester/Salford, original home of the Guardian.
In the last few years The Guardian has been financed almost wholly by the profits from Autotrader magazine, and would have gone bankrupt years ago if standing alone.
So ironic that Guardian readers are so anti-car!
All those public sector non-jobs help keep it afloat too.
Roads are not state funded because car owner’s pay a road fund licence? Now you’re being silly.
As for commercial radio it is often hard for small local stations to compete against their BBC alternatives who don’t have to worry about money. That narrows the choices that listeners which is hardly what the BBC was set up for, allegedly.
Please explain exactly where the BBC’s funding comes from. I am really really interested.
Time for everyone to dock that 50p from their licence fee if they pay it.
I got free radio from Radio Eireann whose third lead was the BBC strike!
Thy point is that if you give one organisation a massive handout , £4b, it is well nigh impossible for private sector companies to compete with it. Once this position has been established for decades it becomes the near complete monopoly that the BBC enjoys. It is nothing to do with personal choice on the part of the public, it is just what happens when the free market is prevented from working by state intervention.
Nick Ferrari ,( LBC) & Sky fill the space , thankfully vacated by the strike excellently!
Since I don’t live near the Smoke, it was only thanks to the wonders of digital I heard Nick Ferrari for the first time this morning. It felt really odd. I didn’t know what he was going to say next, or what question he might ask a caller. With Toady one always knows both the question (why oh why?) and the answer (Government cutz!) the moment they raise a new subject.
Then I urge you to tune in as often as possible , Nick often rants at the Bbc ,from time to time too ! Yeah I know its a station for London , but they do cover UK , & international news events too !
I missed LBC when I moved only as far as deepest Kent. Nick’s show is one of the best and when I manage to catch the show its so refreshing to hear presenters with their own opinions. Its a pity they can’t spread further afield on DAB.
Didn’t stop them trailing their programme about the sea level rising, though, did it – still the same lies, the same dogma, the same biased, BBC…
Then a welcome and refreshing morning of Classic FM.
String a load of leftwing rhetoric and platitudes together and broadcast them on a loop and it would be weeks before anyone noticed.
As my hero Margaret Thatcher might have said, “Rejoice, rejoice”. Now, how to keep them permanently on strike? If Ronald Reagan were around he give them the Air Traffic Controllers option; ie sack the lot and then selectively take back those who are needed (though I think that would be a very short list of names).
I do hope the BBC-NUJ strike is not extended beyond today – how else am I going to know whats in the Guardian without having to actually buy a copy?
Read their website – and groan with the inanities BTL at CiF. Better still – wind them up.
I’m being groomed to replace Polly Toynbee at the Guardian.
*Ouch*
My mansion in Tuscany will be better than hers.
Nice picture of ‘Les Mis..’ mounting the barricades here….
http://www.nuj.org.uk/
And a quick reminder of BBC man Ian Jolly and how he reminisses that ‘He spent his very first day as a professional journalist on strike, joining the picket outside the Eastern Daily Press in Norwich in 1978.’
You tell ’em conrade!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/nov/05/bbc-television-centre-picket-line
Picketline outside BBC Scotland…
See the BBC-Bravehearts here….
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/02/18/bbc-strike-radio-4-today-cancelled-nuj-journalists_n_2709283.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
The Arab Spring (this pic is from a previous strike)
http://www.demotix.com/news/560061/strike-action-nuj-members-bbc-arabic-service#media-560053
Owen Jones Tweets his support (natch)
@OwenJones84
Owen Jones
The people who deliver us top-quality TV and news at the Beeb are on strike today. Support them and read: http://t.co/0WjdnCNS #BBCstrike
I wonder how long before ed Miliband urges a return to work; how else are the Labour Party going to get their message across?
Fabulous day on the BBC! Real news delivered seriously and honestly. And, so far, none of the left-leaning BBC wimmin like Anita and the wanna-be-blondes, have appeared. Nobody, so far, has interviewed Ed Balls so we can be treated to 15 minutes of nonsense. Can we have a strike every day please? One mystery though: How come the sofa-loafers from Breakfast are missing? Red Charlie, dim Louise, and silly-Billy. Isn’t this is a strike by “Journalists.” Surely, they don’t think of themselves………!
No Susanna “taxi from London to Salford and back again every day” Reid today.
It was such a deep joy that because of the NUJ strike (again) I had the opportunity to hear a program I missed the first time around. It’s horror can be summed up by the billing:
“In a specially recorded edition of Start the Week Andrew Marr is at the Charleston Festival with Grayson Perry, Virginia Nicholson, Faramerz Dabhoiwala and Janice Galloway. As the home of Vanessa Bell, Virginia Nicholson’s grandmother, Charleston was a by-word for sexual freedom and the Bohemian lifestyle. But Dabhoiwala insists that far from the 1920s being the time of real sexual revolution, that honour goes to the 18th century, the origin of our modern attitudes to sex. Janice Galloway brings the story up-to-date as she relives her adolescence in small town Scotland in the 1970s. And the celebrated potter Grayson Perry explores changing social attitudes in relation to taste: the choices people make in the things they buy and wear, and uses these details of modern life to create six tapestries, called ‘The Vanity of Small Differences’.”
By the way, Grayson Perry was introduced by Andrew Marr as “transvestite potter”. As my wife (American) blurted out, “What does difference does THAT make?”. Her other comment half way through this love letter to the decadence of the Bloomsbury set was, “I want to throw up”.
Come back NUJ journalists. All is forgiven.
You neatly summarise there the sort of relentless left-liberal bilge that forced me to up sticks and flee Radio 4 as a political refugee.
Of course the attitudes seep through elsewhere. Humph presides over Mastermind and via one contestatent’s specialist subject: Tony Hancock, I have to be told that the familiar tuba-based theme tune to his show was composed by one Wally Stott – who had a sex change and became Angela Morley. Gosh but John Humphrys looked pleased with himself!
Oh you heartless imp!
Surely that…today of all days…the BBC staffers and stiffies will all be making a beeline round to dear Andrew on his chaise longue as he recovers from (yes I know trolls!) a serious illness.
As a top BBC type, he`ll not be too far from the revolutionary frontline there in Hampstead to Islington. Surely the BBC colleagues of his will be around there to show their solidarity, won`t they?
But of course….
What is it with cultural lefties and “The Bloomsbury set”?
The BBC still bang on about Stopes, Mitfords and Woolfs etc…less so about Mosleys though.
Diana Mitford became a Mosley and Unity could hardly be described as a leftie pin-up girl. I think it’s probably the beeboids identifying with an irreverent, oh so clever, metropolitan clique with odd sexual pecadillos.
Phrases That I Will Nick #301: “Oh so clever, metropolitan clique with odd sexual peccadilloes.” That says it nicely.
(Spell check did the “pecadillos” bit.)
INBBC-NUJ is on strike to perpetuate apartheid Asian Network.
Hearts of stone not to, required…
The Guardian @guardian
BBC strike: presenters including @LaurenLaverne and @PaulMasonNews join walkout http://gu.com/p/3dpq6/tw
Only in Graunworld would this be presented with such snigger-free gravitas.
The lack of… journalism from Ms. Laverne today will be sorely missed, whilst it is indeed a surprise that Mr. Mason has returned to the country, if not the studio to… not work.
Close down INBBC World Service empire: paid for by British taxpayers
(and soon by licence payers).
INBBC-NUJ is also on strike to try to prevent minor job redeuctions in the massive global broadcasting empire which is the propaganda INBBC World Service.
In contrast, INBBC-NUJ couldn’t close down the British empire soon enough.
Close down the broadcasting empire which is the INBBC World Service.
What with the cutz I’m surprised the corporation can afford its billion pound new buildings, lucrative non-jobs and golden handshakes.
Quick reminder: if every non-BBC journalist in the country assembled at Wembley Stadium, you’d still have less people there than are employed by the BBC’s news division alone.
I have to admit I do listen to (The Mark Levin Show) of the previous night instead of the BBC R4 Today programme quite often. It can be a bit corny at times, but it helps to cleanse the mind and rebalance.
It’s also interesting how closely Obama appears to be rolling-out in the US, what Blair inflicted on the UK. And, of course you get stuff that the independent, impartial and honest BBC could never allow…..
For example, about 28 minutes into the Friday 21/12/2012 podcast (2012 archive), a phone-in listener bemoaned about “politicians not just saying what they believe in but [also] why….”.
Mark Levin observed: “Because, because we are in a period of political munchkins.” (Listener:”Oh-OK.”) Mark L continued: “These are people who have figured out how to gain power in Washington. But they are not leaders, they are not statesman, they are climbers. You know, they’re not Churchillian, they’re not Thatcherite, they’re not Reaganite. They are what they are.”
Just like this side of the Atlantic then…..
On strike?
Where’s my refund?
“BBC strike: Today off the air, Bargain Hunt replaces Breakfast, World Tonight and PM also cancelled”
http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/nuj-takes-today-programme-air-strike-over-redundancies
Very good point. We pay for BBC News, BBC News on strike, why pay for what we don’t get? I assume the strikers are not being paid for the days labour they with held (you never know with the BBC) There should be a couple of pence off the license for goods not received. Or does that not apply to the “public sector”?
BBC-NUJ’s one-day strike is conveniently timed for striking parents (hetero/homo/etc) to coincide with children’s half-term break.
BBC 1 this morning was a vast improvement during the 6:15am to 7:00am slot when I watch TV.
There was some sort of antiques hunt programme on and then they *actually* reported the News.
There was a complete lack of the usual non-stop magazine pieces which serve to reinforce the Beebs cultural and political opinions.
Given the Beeb restricted itself to straight and no-frills reporting of the news, it just goes to show that a massive (80%) budget cut would do absolute wonders for improving the quality of the BBC’s output.
Since the main excuse for Newsnight running false stories (or not running true ones) is that they’re understaffed, presumably the whole place is going to fall apart now that there’s a severe staff shortage? If not, what does it say about the current staff levels?
Make all the b***ards redundant and close BBC news down.
Oh horror! There’s no Nightwaves on R3 tonight! Some old debate about alien life instead. It’s a pity the jazz programme doesn’t come under ‘journalism’ as well..
Oh my days!
Nearly drivetime and Radio 4 /BBC news are still on strike.
Will someone please tell me what to think?…
or as the Steve Priest(of Sweet) once sang…”we just haven`t got a clue WHAT to do!”
Give us a clue Beeb!…and do I need to actually eat my Guardian to be redeemed?…or merely nick it from some shop as usual?
Dez?..Scott?…colditz?…what are we all to do?
On strike and away from their keyboards perhaps?
Hey, at least those narrow staircases won’t be so crowded this week, and no waiting in long lines for elevators or the canteen microwaves. There might even be a slight drop in bullying and sexual harassment complaints.
No, the Songs of Praise team would have to go on strike for choirboys’ complaints to drop.
AFTER the BBC-NUJ strike is over-
will it report this, on growing threat of more mass immigration?:-
A report in 2 parts, by Guy Adams, ‘Daily Mail’ –
1.)
“‘We want to get into your country before someone locks the door’: Shocking investigation into the coming wave of immigration from Romania and Bulgaria”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2279419/We-want-country-locks-door-Shocking-investigation-coming-wave-immigration-Romania-Bulgaria.html
AND –
2.)
“Mafia bosses who can’t wait to flood Britain with beggars: While politicians dither over new wave of immigration from Eastern Europe, ruthless gangmasters are rubbing their hands with glee”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2280294/The-mafia-bosses-wait-flood-Britain-beggars-While-politicians-dither-new-wave-immigration-Eastern-Europe-ruthless-gangmasters-rubbing-hands-glee.html
Continued in tomorrow’s ‘Daily Mail’.
Meanwhile, the US is about to open the door. Which the BBC will trumpet from the rooftops as the most wonderful thing since ObamaCare.
The Albanians have already started:
“Sham marriage mastermind jailed for 10 years”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21498874
“Continued in tomorrow’s ‘Daily Mail’.” ………………………Unless it happens to snow again.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas-murray/2013/02/the-bbcs-great-public-service-cancelling-the-today-programme/
‘But the interviewer’s job should not be to tell listeners that it is so’
Why does that resonate so today?
I never use BBC news anyway so today was no different.
I don’t mind listening to short bulletins on the BBC or commercial radio to get basic, factual headline news , but wouldn’t dream of listening to a Radio 4 news programme like Today for its dreadful ‘analysis’.
As for BBC TV news, it seems to be aimed at the Eastenders/Casualty watching types, and is dumbed down for that reason.
Since the internet arrived many sources of intelligent and robust analysis of news and current affairs are easily available.
Only the lazy or the stupid would settle for the BBC’s politically correct pseudo-analysis.
people, there is no law to state you have to have a TV license, if there was a law and you had not paid the license it would be a criminal offense and the police would come and knock your door down.
The license fee is authorized under a Parliamentary regulation the regulation is only enforceable with the consent of the individual in other words if you return the statutory instrument ie:(the bill) and write on it no contract, that is the end of the matter. the home secretary stood up in parliament last year and said parliamentary regulations require the consent of the people (individually) to enact them.
Up on the dawn patrol.
Sorry guys n gals…they`re back!
Just heard Evan and Jim worrying about German/Swiss burgers now…when on earth will this useless Government actually do about the Lubbecke Lidl?
Oh if only Beckett, Nick Brown and the BSE/Foot n Mouth TaskForce were still around to show Owen Patterson how to do these things properly….did those farmers get their EU cheques in the end?..have the Beeb given us closure on these?
Oh hell, Johnny Marrs got an LP out( yes, I know Dez!)…CDs these days!)…he`s on Today later to tell us how he grew up to be rich but still be Labour…like Evan and Jim in fact?
F***in Smiths…so much to answer for eh?
Johnny Marr?
See? It’s the perfect example of how the BBC’s unique funding allows it take a chance on supporting young up and coming acts that commercial radio ignores in favour of pushing dreary old hacks that haven’t done anything since the Thatcher years.
Oh, and another thing.
I see in Todays Mail that the likes of Mason and his NUJ types have been getting at colleagues who actually showed some courage and went through the picket lines at the BBC yesterday>
People like James Landale and Gavin Gray.
Don`t always know who these people are, but do remember Landale pasting Milipede when he replaced a stricken Andrew Marr at short notice on telly…so maybe there`s real hope for him!
As for the likes of Gray-we ought to be thanking them, and letting them know that “our BBC” rather respects its Tebbits, Thatchers, Honeyfords, Whitehouses,Orwells and the like…once they think for themselves and are not intimidated by the likes of Mason on the picket line…and don`t slink off as the spineless types that front up Newsnight and Today clearly do. Fist whiff of grapeshot, and they`re taking tea at Pollys!
For every Landale, there may yet be an Imogen Foulkes who did a good piece on Swiss Rail for the World Service…then turned into a frankfurter fop when Evan Davis wanted urgent answers to the horsemeat scandal only a couple of hours later on the blighted Today show( 19.2.13/6.15 a.m).
Any chance of an “our BBC ” award for the likes of Landale and Gray…we may yet redeem a few of them.
Oh…under FoI…can I get the BBC to tell me how many of their staff visited Andrew Marr yesterday, when they were doing nothing else in the main?
It is a caring and compassionate organisation I`m told…they`re all in it together are they not?
Time now to get a life!
Many a true word and all that….
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/9879174/BBC-strike-presenters-subjected-to-Twitter-abuse-during-walkout.html
‘BBC presenters who managed to work yesterday during the nationwide strike found themselves subjected to online abuse on Twitter. ‘
‘Guy Walters added: “Gavin Grey, the newsreader the BBC use when there’s a strike. He’s probably the only Tory in the entire corporation.”
Here’s the tweet itself:
Notice the response from BBC lifer Ian Pollack:
Sure, there’s that guy in the accounting department, a couple of cameramen and IT techs, plus the dinner lady in the new canteen. He’s probably not one of them, though, if he tweets things like this, in reaction to the Northern Line closing a station due to staff shortage (which is really a cash shortage):
Mr Walters has written a book called, ‘The Colditz Legacy’.
“BBC news is crippled by a tiny handful of militants: Breakfast replaced by Bargain hunt and Radio 4’s Today and PM go off the air”
By TOM KELLY,ALASDAIR GLENNIE
[Excerpt]:-
“However, if the NUJ try another one they may well find they are unable to gather enough support to pull it off.’
“One senior news presenter at the BBC said of the decision not to air key news programmes: ‘There is no real leadership in BBC news any more.
“‘People lost their nerve once the strikes were announced. The result has been a shambles.’”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2280373/Bargain-Hunt-instead-BBC-Breakfast-flagship-news-programmes-hit-NUJ-walkout.html
‘Daily Mail’ Comment:
“A striking fiasco.
“What a pitiful comment on the BBC that a 24-hour strike by a minority of journalists should lead to the cancellation of Today and all other live Radio 4 programmes.
“The BBC, despite breaking very few stories, employs far more journalists than the whole of Fleet Street put together. With many newspapers fighting for their survival, is it too much to ask that journalists in a state-subsidised behemoth which enjoys a huge monopoly show more restraint in these times of austerity?”
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2280817/The-real-alternative-endless-taxes.html
Daily Mail slams the BBC.
You must have been delighted to post that exclusive!
Come on Dan, I thought I`d try to be kind!
“Too many smash and grab trolls etc”…remember?
Whether the Mail said it …or even Pravda did…is hardly the point is it?
The point is that taxrolled BBC employees may not feel free to go to work because some other taxrolled employees think it is their right to play at being Scargills.
And-god help us…when your muscle and enforcers are the likes of Mason…they MUST be the timid weakling lefties that they always seem to be.
The point is-in case you haven`t got it-is that the likes of Landale and Gray have the right to work as they wish…we are not a Soviet…just yet.
The BBC only act like a Stasi…they do not have to act as if they actually are one yet!
That OK Dan?…good !
Now don`t mention the Mail again….it`s all that Coogan and Toynbee do when they have no point either.
Count the references in the Now Show or whatever to the Mail…always gets a “laugh” or a “clap”!
Come on Dan!
As night follows day the Mail attacks the BBC, so why bother mentioning it in support of an argument? It’s hardly an objective source. You might as well get all your match reports on Manchester United games from Alex Ferguson.
Are you suggesting that people do not strike because others within the organisation might feel uncomfortable? I have no evidence that pickets were hostile and that anyone who wanted to work faced any intimidation. So what’s the problem? Surely denying people the right to take industrial action is “Soviet & Stasi”.
i thought most of us were all in favour of the BBC journalists striking .
I certainly am.
We should encourage the more militant ones to keep it going preferably for months.
I am sure the nation will survive very well without the BBC news division.
That gone we can then begin to get rid of the rest of this tax eating behemoth
‘As night follows day the Mail attacks the BBC, so why bother mentioning it’
One presumes the mentioning of the Mail, and its readers (excepting those who only read it to be offended, like some site visitors here) get one of those nifty exemption things in this on this forum when it is needed to support an alternative narrative?
‘Surely denying people the right to take industrial action is “Soviet & Stasi”.
I would never deny them their right to strike, but I do question their reasons for striking which, compared to, say, the Honda workers in Swindon who reacted in a grown up and constructive way to the impact of the recession on their company in 2008, shows they are out of touch with the real world.
‘Daily Mail slams the BBC’.
Because it’s at the opposite end of the political spectrum, maybe?
Alternatively you could take the commercial/financial view. The Daily Mail group(DMGT) has a 20% share in the news broadcaster ITN and sees BBC new output as its main TV competitor.
The DM also attracts around 125 million visitors per month to its website which at this time remains free to view. Getting rid of the BBC web presence would reduce competition and make charging for access to the DM website a lucrative option.
I take it you have some substantive evidence to support your thesis that the Daily Mail’s hostility to the BBC is driven by profit seeking venality. Otherwise I think you’ll have to agree it is simply because like many they see the relentless reactionary PC bias of the BBC as beyond contempt.
Ah, so that’s why all the edgy comedians and on-air talent constantly attack the Mail and insult its readers: competition. I didn’t realize that all those comedy panel mavens and presenters were so dedicated to the BBC that they took part in attacking the business competitors. I know that’s why they hate Rupert Murdoch, but I didn’t grasp that they felt that same way about the Mail until Albaman pointed it out. It makes sense to me.
Going the finance business model route on how a media attracts an audience, keeps it and generates revenue, especially in defence of the BBC is indeed brave.
As you’re here, and speaking of the DM online site, despite their being private and able to do what they like within reason, have you examples of them pulling discussions on matters of internal national population movements, say, within half a day? Or after said period suddenly deciding the most popular comment needs to be obliterated citing ‘rules’ they can use in censorship at whim?
Beyond being actually free (as opposed to being uniquely funded, albeit only by a small segment of the world), maybe patrons also appreciate the ability to share their thoughts with less draconian or PC modding impositions?
Whatever the reason, that 125M/month is keeping it running through choice, not compulsion on them, or others.
Thanks for bringing that up.
Please, please, pretty please, could someone arrange for the BBC’s “Journalists” (sic) to be on permanent strike, like the Dockers, Steelworkers, Miners, Railworkers, Car workers etc of yesteryear.
That worked out so well for them didn’t it?
National Union of Journalists demands:
“Fight for our BBC:
this is what you can do.”
http://www.nuj.org.uk/innerPagenuj.html?docid=2810
‘Our’ BBC – now where have I heard that use of the possessive before.
Now let me think…… M and S? Tesco? Amazon?
Got it! NHS – of course.