Open Thread Mid-Week By David Vance | June 19, 2013 - 7:03 pm |June 23, 2013 open thread Time for a new one. Bookmark the permalink.
so much for the BBC / leftist narrative that immigrants, sorry migrants, are more hard working than lazy brits
There is a subtle difference between immigrants & migrants.
The migrants come from EU countries and do not gain UK citizenship, immigrants from outside.
So how come in two separate work places I’ve had to sort out the mess ups the the non-British workers have made?
Mark Wallace :
Technological changes mean that the television licence funding model is swiftly becoming unenforceable and outdated.
Funding the BBC through compulsory licences was first conceived 86 years ago, in the form of the radio licence (later fully replaced by the television licence). It was a simple solution in a simple market. At the time, the Corporation was the only broadcaster in the entire country – if you bought a device to receive broadcasts, you were by definition using its services and you were easy to identify in the shop.
Now, as the BBC’s tenth decade approaches, that model is broken.
But whatever your view may be on its quality, bias or scandals, none of them poses the greatest threat to the Corporation’s future. Many would make a case for the BBC’s abolition, while plenty of others would line up to defend it to the death. In reality, either case is irrelevant. It is a simple truth that the BBC as we know it – licence-funded, compulsory, immovable – is unsustainable, a dead Auntie walking.
The excellent Ben Goldacre seems rather puzzled by the BBC.
From his twitter acct;
ben goldacre @bengoldacre 9h
the BBC report on the CQC cover up is appallingly and worryingly watered down, what’s going on there? http://bbc.in/1aryb8Z
eg Why are the BBC missing the killer quote “Are you kidding me? This can never be in a public domain nor subject to FOI. Read my lips.”
Which is obviously killer, and in every other news report I’ve read. http://bit.ly/16IC07p http://thetim.es/16IC4DV etc
Crikey. Even Guardian columnists are complaining about BBC bias now.
But the bBBC’s Health Correspondent has an article entitled The rotten side of the NHS which starts with some hard-hitting comments …
in the early part of the 21st century a rotten culture developed in the NHS in England that put self-interest ahead of patients. In short, the NHS stopped caring.
But then soon moves away from the core faults of the Nationalised Death Service – the Stalinist bureaucracy run for the benefit of its staff and their unions rather than for us, the patients, driven (1997-2010) by a government obsessed by ensuring that no-one got better treatment than anyone else – and into a ramble about how the regulator wasn’t regulating well enough.
Today’s [Thurs] BBC news has the NHS/CQC scandal way down the running order. Nothing to see here, everything is wonderful in the ‘envy of the world’.
Be wary of “right-on” dodgy-science deriding Ben Goldacre. He has never said a word about the most dodgy science of all, Climate Change, because his right on lefty mates would never speak to him again. That’s how brave he is, attacks big business (his cheques are from the money-losing Guardian), but silent on the biggest fraudulent business of all, the green industry.
His dad is an Oxford prof and public health academic Michael Goldacre. Check your priviledge, Ben.
It’s started again, and the BBC is nowhere to be seen:
Thousands turn out to protest IRS abuse – “Targeted Enough Already”
A decent-sized protest at the Capitol in DC, photos at the link. For those who doubt and suspect it’s carefully selected and framed, here’s a video. I don’t see any pointy white hoods, but I’m sure the Beeboids will see them anyway.
Instead of reporting this, the BBC has published a story about how a bunch of bridges need fixing. This is one of the President’s talking points to convince the public we need ever more government spending – infrastructure, provide jobs, etc. Instead of reporting what’s actually happening about an important national issue – the IRS scandal (did you know that an IRS mandarin in DC admitted to supervising the attacks on Tea Party groups this week, contrary to Congressional testimony? BBC audiences don’t) – the BBC feeds you White House propaganda.
I hear that the protesters found their own way there without buses provided by the unions.
Twice as many people have come to that rally, than those who were present at Messiah’s speech in Berlin.
“There must be no cover-up, no whitewash in the White House” – remind me, who was it that said that … ?!
Like most people, I find it annoying receiving unsolicited phone calls with people trying to sell me something. But the BBC felt it would be valued entertainment to promote the goings on of one of these companies.
Clearly the BBC has lacked the creativity to produce quality entertainment for a long time now, so try and find something under the ‘reality’ umbrella to shove on the television for their viewers.
I was under the impression that the BBC wasn’t allowed to promote any private companies, but they’re certainly giving the one described in the article below a lot of free publicity. I was trying to understand the motive of the BBC for using this particular company, who I see cold call to try and get people who might be able to make a claim for mis-sold payment protection insurance (PPI).
Do you think the BBC might have it in for the banks in their bid to get us closer to communism?
On a lighter note to go with this story here’s an excellent humorous radio clip from the US on a comic who brilliantly pranked a telemarketer.
£225,000 fine for TV show call centre after it harassed householders with thousands of nuisance phone calls
*The BBC Three series presents life inside the call centre as something of a comic soap opera
*The calls cause real annoyance to millions, while there is evidence that some elderly people feel bullied and harassed
I was under the impression that the BBC wasn’t allowed to promote any private companies
Where would Friends Reunited and Last Minute.Com have been without the BBC? They must have shares in Facebook, Twitter and Disney too. Martin Lewis of Money Saving Expert has done well. He probably got paid to run his ‘adverts’ on Jeremy Vine! Presumably ex-BBC staffer Sarah Pennells of Savvy Woman is hoping her frequent slots will pay dividends too.
Other companies are available but you will have to find them yourself.
mumsnet are annoyingly regular too ,and the airport live show from heathrow-patronising,dumbed down nonsense- surely thats just a big free advert for the airport? unfortunate enough to watch this garbage the other night, mainly featured british airways.
What’s the betting that Mumsnet will get even more ‘free’ advertising (=paid for by us) now that the husband of Mumsnet’s founder is moving from the Guardian to edit Newsnight?
Absolutely right about the airport show. It was embarrassingly dumbed down and quite frankly it seemed to me to be aimed at 5-10 year olds. How some of the staff being interviewed managed to take it seriously I’ll never know. Perhaps CBBC made a mistake on their scheduling times.
Don’t forget the BBC’s love of Apple. They’ve been strangely absent from stories about tax avoidance even though they’re one of, if not the, most blatant dodger.
Probably something to do with those large discounts to NUJ members.
Ahh yes the call centre. Thing is if you look past the 4 or 5 charachters that don’t actually seem to spend much time annoying people in the background the staff do not seem to be having such a good time. In the latest episode they have a “crack down” on the dress code although most of the staff don’t seem to adhere to it, they pick out one individual for not having a shirt & tie although just behind him you can see someone else wearing a rugby shirt. After driving his car into the bushes one of the staff removed his bumper which was trailing behind the car but in the next shot was re-attached (perhaps a car mechanic & a call centre worker). So another scripted “reality show”. I have a answer phone so I can vet any incoming calls just to avoid having to talk to these annoying gits.
Well I thought the Horizon fracking program was quite well done with an investigation of most criticisms and where there wasn’t the science to support a position that was mentioned.
He mentioned the problems with UK fracking – that the gas was going to be ear marked for generation & not for heating, although he didn’t go further into the underhand way the state is operating.
He discussed the benefits that paying local people for the gas under their land had brought, and how it would not apply to the UK. That the UK government effectively took the gas without any payment.
Basically I came away with the impression that the US managed this in a much fairer way than the UK is planning. The sinister things I already knew were alluded to although it was plain he couldn’t explore them.
I thought that like me he thought the UK government were behaving in a very poor way to their citizens.
Take the gas without any compensation to local communities.
Supply it to generating plants without it ever reaching the open market – prices to consumers will not be allowed to fall, if they do additional taxes will be imposed.
In the US compensation has been paid to people who claim the fracking has made the ill. In the UK there will be the inevitable court process which the government will drag out through every appeal if they lose – but there will never be enough evidence to prove a link.
Landowners who suffer pollution or disturbance will also be unlikely to receive compensation.
Basically the government wants it all while giving nothing in return. Nothing changes.
Read article in Telegraph for perhaps a different approach ( I did not see the progrmme)
Drive-by shooting in Luton, those ‘men’ again..
” just hours after a peace rally” Peace rally!
What as in ‘religion of peace’?
I’m waiting for Al Beeb to try and implicate the EDL or “right wing extremists”.
After all, if the victim(s) were of the tinted persuasion, it has to have been a racist attack. If, on the other hand, the perpetrators were darker in hue than the rest of us, they were obviously defending themselves from those dastardly right-wing elements.
“The offender has been described as a man with a tanned complexion, about 6ft (1.8m) tall, with a dark, greying beard and carrying a yellow JD sports bag that contained the firearm.”
BBC blasted over Ton Jones expenses > http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/06/19/the-voice-tom-jones-the-savoy_n_3464174.html?ncid=webmail2 Oh Delliah…….
So not much money made off the back of the licence fee payer. by the record company, here then? I haven’t heard it, did it mot sell because it was crap?
why, why, why…?
It’s not unusual ….
Islamic jihad in SYRIA and WOOLWICH.
Putin apparently understands something about Islamic jihad which the West’s political class (inc INBBC) doesn’t:
“Vladimir Putin tells Cameron at G8:
‘Syrian rebels are the same as those who killed Lee Rigby'”
And to emphasise the point, here’s ‘Channel 4 News’ documentary on a specific Islamic jihadist who went from his London base to murder and die as an Islamic jihadist in Syria:-
“Britons fighting with Syria’s jihadi ‘band of brothers'”
(13 min video)
“Putin apparently understands something about Islamic jihad which the West’s political class (inc INBBC) doesn’t”
I suspect Cameron and his BBC do understand. The Woolwich killer was videoed speaking at one of the UAF (Cameron supported) demonstrations against the EDL. After the killing Cameron and the BBC attacked the EDL. Little doubt as to which side Cameron and the BBC support.
Watched News night -Did I hear right?- the labour party
‘there is no disagreement among the parties that the size of the state has to be decreased’
How long before the BBC catch up with this new found realism?
Not till they ,like the labour party, need to secure ‘re-election’ I suspect
Will INBBC report this?:-
The Soros-backed ‘Huff Post’ piece below, is only interested in the well-being of Muslims in Britain; the piece is written as though the threat it vaguely refers is not aimed at the vast majority of the non-Muslim people in Britain!
“Muslim Leaders Fear Rise In Sectarian Tensions Over Saudi Preacher Mohammad Al-Arefe UK Visit”
Note: Muslim Al-Arefe, who supports Islamic jihad, gets into |U.K easier than Geert Wilders, the Dutch MP who opposes islamic jihad.
Micheal Savage cannot enter the UK thanks to Jaqqui Smith.
I blame….what? Saudi foreign policy?
An article on the BBC website about Greeks who are trying to revive the religion of the ancient Greek Gods: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22972610. An expert offers the opinion that “You can’t import an ancient religion into a completely different environment and social system.” Hmm, interesting. Presumably we can also look forward to objective and balanced articles and programmes on whether this applies to Islam in the West. Rather suspect we’ll be waiting some time for this, though.
Ah, but Islam is not an ancient religion like Christianity or Judaism – it’s a Dark Ages one.
Get out clause 128763/1/EU/mo765
Anyone see that 4-parter documentary on Dark Age art recently? Excellent programme, except the one on Islam started with a feature on the astrolabe (which is a scientific instrument as opposed to a piece of art if I’m not much mistaken). Anyhow as soon as they claim it’s an Islamic invention I’m reaching for the ‘off’ switch. The ancient Greeks were happily using astrolabes some time before Islam was invented. Why does all reason go out of the window when a certain religion is featured?
In 1995 the EU initiated the so-called Barcelona Process, designed to pave the way for the eventual incorporation of the Middle East into the European Union at some point in the future. It defines three key areas to be worked on: economic, political and cultural. The purpose of the latter is to educate people about the cultural heritage of the Arab world and the media were later called upon to put what we might call a positive spin on this, which is where the BBC fits in. Part of this is the promotion of the myth of an Islamic “Golden Age” of science and technology. Whilst Islam did contribute in such areas as mathematics, astronomy and chemistry, for the most part it was derivative or follow-on work that built on what others had done, most notably the Greeks. The Astrolabe is a good example, invented and perfected by the Greeks a thousand years before it was copied and used by the Arab world. So it is not a case of “reason going out of the window”, more a case of a different type of reasoning being applied towards a certain end.
The World could be 400 years on from our present technological state if the Muslims had not destroyed the Eastern Roman Empire. Virtually all of the learning that they claim as theirs was as a result of Greek and Roman advances and supressed by their religion until they found a use for it.
We could be amongst the stars now …
And what about the great Library of Alexandria?
Contents moved to Rome … ? Your point?
Why exactly is the BBc breakfast weather lady t Royal Ascot?
Because one of the original 300 had a court appearance?
why do I need a weather forecast 48 times a day?
Because one of them might be right?
Do you not live in the UK then? 48 is the minimum number of times here the weather can change in one day … ;p
Tony Juniper is a British campaigner, writer, sustainability advisor and leading environmentalist recognised among other activities for his work as Executive Director of Friends of the Earth, England, Wales and Northern Ireland and Vice Chair of Friends of the Earth International from 2000-2008.
Juniper was the Green Party’s parliamentary candidate for the Cambridge constituency at the 2010 general election.
Sounds as though he might be the sort of bloke who is a friend of the BBC.
Funnily enough…. he just Twittered himself onto the air….
Tony Juniper @TonyJuniper 12h
O Paterson, (UK Envt&Ag Minister) to make ‘moral’ case for GM crops tmw? Is this because the practical & science-based case does not add up?
Nicky Campbell Nicky Campbell @NickyAACampbell 12h
@TonyJuniper wanna come on 5 live breakfast . . . ? team calling you
11:57 AM – 19 Jun 13 · Details
Tony Juniper Tony Juniper @TonyJuniper 12h
@NickyAACampbell Sounds good Nicky. What time? Heading to Bristol early but could do a few minutes before 7.30. Cheers. Tony
Nicky Campbell Nicky Campbell @NickyAACampbell 12h
@TonyJuniper we’ll go for 7.20. team calling
Phoebe Frieze Phoebe Frieze @PhoebeFrieze 12h
@NickyAACampbell @TonyJuniper Hi Tony, I’m a producer on the Breakfast show. Please can you DM me your number so that we can set this up?
Tony Juniper Tony Juniper @TonyJuniper 11h
@NickyAACampbell Thanks. On the train now but will be off and able to talk in about 40 minutes.
Anti-Government? : It is as easy as BBC
Nicky Campbell @NickyAACampbell 12h
@TonyJuniper wanna come on 5 live breakfast . . . ?
Hey, Nikki, *wanna* learn the Queen’s English.
U betcha ma’e!
All very cosy, isn’t it. Geez – I wonder if he’ll get a tough interview?
It seems that the government are looking to re introduce GM crops again, it makes one wonder what the motivation would be given the almost universal opposition, to the extent it raises suspicions of corruption!
The BBC obviously opposes GM which is not impartial, but does reflect public opinion.
GM in the US has been a disaster and massively damaging to the environment, not from the actual plants, but from the lawyers the laws and the companies involved.
It is impossible to prevent cross pollination with non GMO crops and those farmers who used to collect seed for replanting are being prosecuted by Monsanto’s lawyers for infringing their patents! In addition to that it shows that the spread of GM strains cannot be controlled and could potentially damage the seed stock should anything go wrong.
The upshot is that farmers are forced to use GM crops for fear of prosecution, we end up with single varieties of crops instead of a mix, and that cannot be good. When the day comes, as it did with the mustard farmers and the crop decides it isn’t going to produce the part we want, we really will be up the creek without a paddle!
“GM in the US has been a disaster”
Evidence please citing a few disinterested research papers if possible.
There’s just a few to be going on with although there are hundreds of thousands.
The Center for Food Safety contends Monsanto has persistently investigated and prosecuted farmers for patent infringement, obtaining 72 recorded judgments totaling more than $23.6 million.
“Yet these recorded judgments, startling as they are, fail to convey a true picture of the full scope of Monsanto’s actions against U.S. farmers,” the Center for Food Safety wrote in a brief to the Supreme Court in support of Bowman, “because the overwhelming majority of Respondents’ alleged patent infringement threats end in out-of-court settlements.”
If you don’t want to grow GM crops then you WILL be prosecuted by Monsanto & either forced to or driven out of business.
to be fair I think Umbongo missed the second half of the sentence he quoted… ” but from the lawyers the laws and the companies involved”
This is a David vs. Goliath story, nothing to do with the pros and cons of the actual crops themselves. Remove the evil dragon Monsanto from the issue and what do you have left?
Well when you’ve managed to achieve that feat I might change my mind, but you can’t remove Monsanto and therefore GM should not be allowed into EU land until they learn to behave like reasonable people
In other words, you actually have no scientific argument against it and so resort to this instead. This does prompt one to question your moral priorities, because it gives the appearance that you don’t really care as much about the millions of lives that won’t be saved if you stop GM crops.
My argument is not based on the science so why do I need a scientific argument?
My argument is against US patent law, the way that the US assumes global supremacy over any other court and attempts to implement the legal rights of companies regardless of those other countries laws.
What about the billions of live potentially lost if GM goes wrong & thanks to Monsanto we have no alternative?
You can’t simply brush this aside by suggesting that the only objection is the scientific one & all the others count for nothing !
Just read what Monsanto have been up to in the USA ! forcing farmers who don’t want to plant GM into doing so. Destroying age old farming practices of saving seed to plant the following year, and in some cases only supplying sterile seed.
I expect you still fully support the use of DDT which was thought ‘safe’ and there were no scientific objections?
These things have a way of not doing what we expect and biting us on the ass when we least expect it. To allow a single company to control your food supply is insanity!
Thoughtful, your original argument was most certainly based on the science. You’ve now moved the goal posts. You said:
“GM in the US has been a disaster and massively damaging to the environment, not from the actual plants, but from the lawyers the laws and the companies involved.
It is impossible to prevent cross pollination with non GMO crops and those farmers who used to collect seed for replanting are being prosecuted by Monsanto’s lawyers for infringing their patents! In addition to that it shows that the spread of GM strains cannot be controlled and could potentially damage the seed stock should anything go wrong.”
Except for the bit about the lawyers, this is all about how GM crops are bad for the environment, harm other crops, etc. Yet when asked to provide evidence for this, you came up with exclusively anti-corporate Monsanto stuff. So now you’re arguing against Monsanto and ugly corporate behavior instead of the science.
Which other products would you like banned because you don’t approve of the parent corporation’s behavior? iPhones and iPads? Google’s search engine?
DDT? is that the stuff that eradicated malaria in the South of France just after WW2? The stuff prated on by Silent Spring? The book that has killed more people than the bible, Koran and mien kampf put together?
on the al bbc – no news is good news?
does that mean its NOT connected to the EDL?
do our eyes have to peruse the Lutonistan popular front again ? … was it an … islamo-FAUX-be?
the poor old fuzzy faced members of the extremist ideological, wannabe jihadi, attempted mass murdering, sharia enforcing, non integrating, caliphate instilling, death wish desiring, “beleagured”
religion of pieces … must be soooooo upset
only one thing for it … lets throw some money in, and build an “interfaith” madrassa, to calm things down
Did they have “tanned complexions”?
Truly extraordinary. And absolute evidence that there are higher priorities than the truth at the BBC.
BBC digital exec Richard Leeming:
That must mean that every parent Leeming works with at the BBC thinks Gove is a disaster. If true, that says far more about the BBC than it does about Gove.
Yes, it illustrates more than anything the circles he moves in. ..or how few *parents* he knows.
The above tweet has now been deleted from Leeming’s timeline.
Heh. The biased fool can delete it from his own feed, but he can’t delete it from the server.
DB, I see this as border-line qualifying for the biased Tweets list. Evidence of groupthink and bubble-dwelling on the issue. What do you think?
Beeboids’ Glastonbury junket.
“Someone tell the BBC Glastonbury’s over the hill”
By Brian Boyd.
“In 1997, the BBC screened two hours of the Glastonbury festival. This year, from June 28th to 30th, more than 250 hours of coverage will be broadcast simultaneously on TV, radio, PC, mobile, and tablet across BBC1, BBC2, BBC3, BBC4, Radio 1, 1Xtra, Radio 2 and 6 Music. It will even intrude on such stalwarts as The One Show and Songs of Praise.
“The BBC says it aims to ‘reinvent music coverage’ with this Glastofrenzy. But you don’t reinvent music coverage just by showing more of it.”
i think we should drug test all those beeboids who attend glastonbury. any positive results should result in instant dismissal and criminal prosecution. if they’ve nothing to hide they’ve nothing to fear
oh my look at the time. well it must be 4:20 somewhere in the world, i have to go, theres something i need to do :p
Panto nikki gives airtime to “bigging up” the taliban this morning ( kate clarke analyst sheesh! check out from about 20 mins in), over womens rights … lots of panto “colonial guilt” lobby obfuscation infering churchill when he was there, women got more rights there than here?
lots of talk of “conservative” families, “reserved” ideas
absolute apologist drivel
Maybe the inbbc is about to treat us to some more Taliban poetry?
Just to illustrate their soft side, as recited when they stone adultresses.
Oh what cultural enrichment these savages can bring to this backward shit hole in which we live.
Interesting article on why the very idea of negotiating with the Taliban won’t work. I could have given him several more, blunter, reasons but still.
Remarkable how passive the BBC and rest of the media is about this story. Consider it; the world’s superpower has chosen to negotiate with the most evil, despicable and regime on the planet. It says all we need to know about these times of moral relativism.
The sugar coating has long since gone from the essentially bitter pill that is Barry Obama.
Now he has hs second term, god only knows what foul damage he can inflict on a mostly comatose US of A
Their media may wake up but it really is almost too late.
“Afghanistan: Obama Surrenders.”
By Robert Spencer.
The problem is that the politicians tried to control the war instead of leaving it to the military. The first rule of war is that the other side won’t play by your rules – they will play by theirs.
Yes that is it basically. That and we’ve developed a sense of not really believing its worth fighting anymore. We feel haven’t had the stomach for the fight at all. Politicians have interfered but they’ve also failed in their actual role which is to explain to people why this was a fight worth fighting.
The BBC has been advocating this for at least three years. You won’t find any negative coverage about it from them at this point. What’s Pashto for ‘Sinn Fein’? The BBC will need to know.
Obama calls George Osborne Jeffrey (H/T Guido). There goes his finely-tuned brain again.
I see it’s up there on the BBC web page, but let’s see how long it stays there and how the Beeb runs with it. Not as far as they would had stupid old Dubya done it is my guess.
See also a similar line on the Messiah at Archbishop Cranmer and a comparison with the reporting of GW Bush.
Good title at Cranmer about Obamessiah:-
“Ich bin eine Katastrophe”
And it’s rather defensive, isn’t it? The President is a fan, Treasury officials assure us He does know Osborne’s first name, and Clegg says He’s the coolest looking. Good quotes from Jeffrey Osborne, and a tut-tut at Boris for cracking wise about His mistake, which the BBC describes as an “alleged snub”.
Even when they admit He made a mistake they can’t quite bring themselves to admit it. Imagine if Sarah Palin had done this. Have Bacon and the usual suspects been having a field day over it on the radio today? Anyone going to bring a favorite edgy comedian to sneer?
What does the World At One do in response to the President’s serial errors? Make a mash-up having a little fun with George Osborne. Not making fun of the President for making a stupid mistake several times, but making fun of the victim of His mistake.
File this under ‘Well, that settles that then..’:
The Jeremy Whine Show ‘discusses’ the Barrow NHS cover up scandal…. but only with a hack from the health service manager’s union (who even knew they had one)?
Don’t be shocked but it turns out that the real problem is that inspections are kind of a drag so the answer is to let the managers do whatever with no restraints whatsoever.
Yes, indeed: in Beebotopia public servants gone wild means that we need *less* oversight…. see, it’s just like what they said about the banking crisis, except completely the opposite.
Obama says the war on terrorism has been one – many of the US agencies now have rules that obstruct their staff from going after the baddies effectively, he plays softball with the Taliban and does not recognise the widenening threat across the Missle East and Africa. 72% of Americans say the war is NOT over – but Obama and his ideologues like Rice and Power sail on regardless.
Instead, Obama claimed at his disatrous Berlin speech / mumble that climate change is the biggest threat we face.
The man is a nutter, hopeless judgment and an appeasing outlook. He has left Iraq in a worse mess than was necessary and is about to do the same in Afghanistan.
These are the views of a nlarge proportion of the American people. Obama-the-disaster. Far worse than Carter. But the BBC never reflects this view and these criticisms.
sorry – ……”Obama says the war on terror has been WON” …..
Perhaps we should expect INBBC to report a UKIP view on Syria:
“We need to keep out of Syria”
this little gem from al bbc wales …
panto campbells bosum buddy,
” motley” mo answar gets a reality check
from douglas murray …
this clip is 11mins long, the listeners had to suffer
a previous 8 minutes, (as in true bbc style set up)
where they were treated to the delights of a moaning mo poor islam monologue
Douglas Murray on to talk about this, eh? Somebody at the BBC is listening…..
the full interview with “motley” Mo was just dreadful, just droning on, (and on and on).
mind you, he may have been trying to put the listeners to sleep :-D, before Mr Murray showed up his pap.
i would have had to interrupt him to ask if his nose was growing.
BBC ..’We are running out of time..’ syndrome!
Yes, we are running out of time to combat this nonsense because the airwaves are being monopolised by the likes Mr Ansar. Stoke up fear in his blessed ‘communities’, very responsible.
Have the BBC/Guardianista axis been involved in “Jew bashing” again one wonders….
The BBC allows a pro-Israel bias in their coverage because they don’t report that the Jews want Jerusalem to extend all the way down to Bethlehem? It already does. Unless he means the evil Jews want to expel all non-Jews from Bethlehem as well and make it part of Jerusalem. Bizarre, but not surprising at all. This is the kind of thing the BBC claims balances out our complaints about them lying and demonizing Israel.
Laugh out loud moment but cringing at the same time when this Welsh/British guy says the Jews are too powerful and the BBC is fearful of them, while the Guardian can put different points of view out all the time. So here’s someone who wants the British public to stand up to the Jews at last, but thinks the BBC doesn’t offer a wide range of viewpoints.
Well, they do get complaints from both sides…..
(An Obama gaffe is really an honour. Is there nothing this God among mortals can’t do?)
If I were the United States, I’d be thrilled if the pres thought we were so great that there were 57 of us.
If I was mentally disabled and competed in the Special Olympics, I’d be thrilled if the US pres compared Himself to me.
If I were Hawaii, I’d be thrilled that the US pres thought I was in Asia.
If I were Austrian, I’d be thrilled that the US pres thought we had our own language.
If I were Lincoln, I’d be thrilled that the US pres thought I founded the entire Republican Party.
Could he grant Peston his hearts desire and make him black?
He is, after all ,a kind god
Very telling remark, Robert Peston grasses himself, he’s so stupid he doesn’t realise it.
Just another self loathing white liberal who has xenophilia and oikophobia.
This has nothing to do with race or xenophobia or oikophobia. Not even remotely. This is about a very high-profile, influential BBC editor dissing Osborne and twisting a serious faux pas (getting it wrong once is an accident, multiple times is carelessness) by the leader of a foreign country into a compliment. Nothing to do with Peston wishing he was black or being ashamed to be white or anything of the sort.
Just plain old Beeboid sycophancy for The Obamessiah and a swipe at the Conservative Chancellor.
Your probably right but I cant help feeling there’s a bit of the ‘Freudian slip’ about it.
Preston does seem to be strong in the ‘faith’
Of course there’s an element of cringing white liberal guilt in Peston’s tweet. “Look at me – I’m so cool I think nothing could be better than being an old black R&B singer. And to have that sanctioned by a black US president is perfect!”
Sky news highlighted Obama worship by the media.
Of course it has everything to do with race. Preston is drooling at the prospect of being confused with an aged black crooner. It’s typical lefty, self loathing. He actually says, “can’t any better”
Well maybe not for you, Robert, but it certainly could for me!
No, he isn’t. All Peston is doing is belittling Osborne by implying he’s such a useless nobody that he ought to be pleased with being confused with a has-been who happens to be black. It’s extra amusing because they have different skin tones, because racism.
Remember when the BBC used to be critical of US Presidents for making gaffes?
Queen triumphs amid Bush gaffes
Ah, good times, good times……
Here’s another one regarding the same State visit. Note the choice of language in the “Slip up” section.
Obama suffered an awkward moment during the palace banquet when he proposed a toast “to the Queen” – which prompted the orchestra to start playing the national anthem. Obama carried on talking and raised his glass to the monarch before the music had finished.
As we all know, He spoke out of turn and the band played when they were supposed to. The smartest man in the room had no clue what was going on and just kept going. The BBC blamed the band then, and they’re doing hit here as well. What a joke.
As for Bush….
There was no widely reported mishap by Bush in 2003, however during the Queen’s state visit to the US in 2007, the former president slipped up in a speech on the lawn outside the White House. He suggested the Queen had been on the throne since the 18th century. Then when he realised his mistake, he turned to the monarch and winked at her.
The try to cover for The Obamessiah, but with Bush they go the extra mile to work in a gaffe.
I am no expert on American politics but I certainly have noticed a clear difference in the fawning praise heaped on Obama compared to the vitriolic overkill chucked on Bush when he was in power; and yet Obama seems to be guilty of some terrible judgements i.e. talks with the Taliban etc. But, why is this? Is it purely because Obama is an ethnic minority, a socialist, or is it because he is hip in the eyes of trendy lefties? Either way, the BBC’s bias towards Obama is embarrassing and puerile.
Regardless of what you or I think about the current President’s competence, the BBC’s bias is clear for all to see. The treatment of gaffes is 180 degrees opposite, always finding fault as opposed to always shifting blame, and the school-girl crush syndrome is as embarrassing as some Beeboid comments about Bush (and Palin) were puerile.
If I were a top BBC manager I’d be ashamed.
…the shameless don’t do shame.
They simply don’t recognise the bias.
How Robert Peston spends his evenings –
Very very very very very disturbing
This video is not vibrant enough, as there’s one thing missing. (Hint: if you travel by train anywhere in the world, you’ll see this multicoloured delirium on every spare wall.)
There were also the following:-
Calling the Falkland Islands “The Maldives”, Calling the U.S. Marine Corps “the Marine CORPSE”, and didn’t he mention that a soldier he was presenting a medal to was dead when he was standing in front of him?
In the past couple of weeks he was going to give a televised speech when a look of fear, quickly followed by a look of exasperation came over his face, he looked to his right and shouted “PEOPLE!” when someone had forgotten to set up his teleprompter. Not a gaffe as such but indicative of his uselessness at speaking off the cuff.
In Ireland his car got grounded on a speed bump in Israel it broke down and had to be towed recently he got Osborn’s name wrong. We know what the BBC and in particular their stable of left wing comedians response would have been if it had been a white Republican President.
No snarky tweets from BBC staff about any of it, of course. In stark contrast to whenever Sarah Palin – not holding any public office, nor running for one – made even the tiniest of slips.
H/T Metro Newspaper
BBC Boss’s £400 claim for holiday
A BBC executive on almost £200,000 a year claimed £388 in expenses for cancelling a holiday in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal, it was revealed yesterday. Adrian Van Klaveren, who lost his job as controller of BBC Radio 5 Live because of his role in Newsnight’s disasterous report on child abuse in north Wales. His claim was revealed as the expenses bill for senior BBC staff rose 19 per cent to £206,401 in the last quarter of 2012. Although claims for rail travel have fallen 21 per cent in a year, £32,948 in taxi fares were claimed by executives from October to December. However, a spokeswoman said: ‘The majority of these expenses are unavoidable routine costs incurred in running a major international broadcasting organisation’.
Van Klaveren lost his job at Radio 5 but the BBC are ever forgiving….
Adrian Van Klaveren is responsible for leading all of the BBC’s coverage and activities for the 100th anniversary of World War One.
He reports to Emma Swain, Head of Knowledge Commissioning, BBC Television and works on plans across all BBC platforms and services.
Salary and total remuneration: June 2012
Total remuneration: £193,150
Adrian has been in receipt of a temporary Relocation Allowance which is in line with our Salford Relocation Policy and HRMC regulations for relocation. The value of this allowance is c£1,900 per month (Net £912 per month). This allowance is in place to reimburse the costs that are incurred as part of Adrian’s relocation to Salford. Documents and evidence of rental arrangements are required to be presented in order for this payment to be made.
For the last financial year, the total that Adrian has received under this relocation reimbursement arrangement is £15,194.
Nauseatingly sycophantic ‘interview’ (I feel as though my ears are intruding) between Richard Bacon and Russell Brand.
Oh please please Russell, you are so cool and druggie and right-on, please please come back to the BBC. Oh Russell you are so so cool, I love your whacky views you down-with-the-kids celeb-tastic geezer!
Oh why oh why can’t you come back to the BBC?
Oh look you are on Question Time tonight!
Hey Russell you are on with Boris. Lets rehearse you Russell darling. I’ll ask you some practice questions and you can work on being funny and popular. You must have the audience clapping you Russell.
It’s Richard Bacon for heavens sake, what did you really expect? The day I listen to that annoying Buffoon and think ‘that was good’ I’ll eat my spleen.
I gave up listening to Richard Bacon soon after that James Delingpole disgrace of an interview. Richard Bacon didn’t sound in the slightest impartial or knowledgeable…In fact I had never heard any interviewer so angry throughout an interview and so triumphant when he thought (usually incorrectly) that he’d made a good point? Are BBC interviewers meant to treat interviewees like this? The doug Stanhope interview was another example of why Richard Bacon is not on my listening list.
there you go …
caveat … with a petulant schoolboy ignoramus alert
mind you 😀
bbc … how about another repeat? 😀
petulant schoolgirl ignoramus controller of childrens bbc alert
who going to apologise for reinstating him?
I only caught the end of it but from what I saw he looked like idiot and hypocrite when challenged from audience about his own tax status (but not by diblebore)
Mad Mel on other hand was firing on all cylinders and trading metaphorical blows with SWP packed audience
Boris slippery as ever and the other two Jowel and ,what is that grey mans name? need not have been there
Should I bother watching the first half or have seen the best of it already?
On Russell Brand:
“Russell Brand cancels Middle Eastern gigs ‘because of threats from extremists that if I went there there would be problems.'”
Fu**ing Food banks AGAIN.
Left leaning entity with an agenda?
Are you really activists pretending to be impartial with a “report” that you would like to publicise?
Does it match the BBC agena?
Well the BBC wants to help your cause…
how these hard economic times ……………..
UK’s rural poor ‘going hungry’…………………………
A growing number of charity food banks have been set up to help people in rural areas cope with the cost of living……..
“According to the Joseph Rowntree Foundation”
It was estimated that the Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust held assets valued at over £270 million (US$420 million) in 2010 (see http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/funderprofile.asp?fndid=5408&category=79). Perhaps they could use some of that money to feed the starving masses of Britain. It’s not as though they need the money themselves, as they get free advertising on the BBC.
Basic foodstuffs you can buy for a month’s worth of TV licence fee*
Qty price Total
Value Rice (1kg) 1 0.4 0.4
Carrots (kg) 1 0.8 0.8
Onions (kg) 1 0.8 0.8
Potatoes (kg) 5 0.73 3.65
Loaf x 2 (BOGOF) 2 1.1 2.2
Value oats (kg) 1 0.75 0.75
Value teabags (80) 1 0.27 0.27
Sunflower spread (500g) 1 0.75 0.75
Value lemon curd (454g) 1 0.22 0.22
Long Life skimmed milk (l) 2 0.53 1.06
soup and broth mix (500g) 1 1.09 1.09
Value veg stock cubes (10) 1 0.15 0.15
*Tescos online prices – going to the market would cut the veg price by 50%
sorry that posted itself before I formatted it and added the disclaimer that I know you couldn’t live on that list, I am only making a point – basics, the stuff that stops you from starving – are cheap and plentiful.
Jam is 29p a pound, 80 tea bags 27p, tins of beans are pence
With our unbelievably generous benefits system there is absolutely no need for anybody in the UK to be hungry – the issue is how people prioritise their expenditure. I am sick of hand wringing socialists / Quakers whining on about food poverty and the BBC uncritically lapping this up.
CCE – I am not quite sure I understand your numbers but agree totally about the politicisation by the BBC of Food banks and how they are a necessity due to ‘Tory Cuts’. But instead of your long life skimmed I would have included in your list the 12 pints of full cream milk (full cream is more filling for the starving) I can buy in Morrisons for £3.00. Would make bread and butter or rice pudding and filling porridge.
The left leaning trendies in my church have provided a box for the congregants to fill for the local food bank. It remains stubbornly empty. The local Waitrose had people at the entrance asking (politely demanding???) that we give them items after our shop for the food bank – I thought of getting into a meaningful discussion but then decided against it.
My list was a bit of a mess due to formating and was Just some random stuff I grabbed from the Tescos website to make point. personally I would go for the full cream milk myself!
As a further exercise in futility I also priced up the WW2 rations [that the BBC love so much] at June 19th prices and found that you can buy all the all meats, fats, dairy and sugars as per an individuals’ weekly ration for 3.85, approx half the cost of a packet of cigarettes. So add veg, bread and some minor luxuries to that and you have a healthy balanced diet for say 10 quid a week per person.
Well done Deborah you are the first person who has ever reported a “Food Bank” actually collecting. Up here (northern town) the BBC local news is forever reporting the activities of these “food banks” and showing them feeding some poor deserving , clean and very middle class looking types who I’m sure weren’t just local Labour party types pretending. However unlike whenever other charities are featured there is never a number flash up telling viewers how to contribute to their good work. So how these “food banks” operate is a total mystery for me. But I have far to much faith in the local Labour Party/Unions to believe they are made up 🙂
As you can tell with the use of the quotation marks the name of these operations does puzzle me. Where did “Food Bank” come from ? This phrase popped up out of nowhere. Where aren’t they called say for instance the “South Wakefield poor peoples food charity”. In fact there seems to be a major effort made to avoid the word charity for some reason !
If I lived near someone dishing out free food, I’d queue for that! Surely it’s just the lure of ‘free stuff’ rather than ‘poor people’ isn’t it?
Certainly! What a load of Bolshevik Balderdash saying that all these people queuing at food banks are “needy”. The stuff’s FREE FFS! If I walked down the street chucking handfuls of pound coins or £5 notes onto the pavement, those running up and grabbing the money won’t be needy, just greedy and grasping some of the free dosh being chucked around.
More pro-Labour, anti-Toricutz propaganda.
Just how much better off would peope be if we weren’t all paying for Labour’s ‘green’ tax on fuel (11-15%), especially considering the long, cold winters of recent years. All courtesy of Ed Miliband, not that the BBC will ever point this out.
Labours green tax on fuel (11 – 15 %) I wonder where you get that figure from, because try as I might, I’ve found it impossible to accurately quantify the amount of what are euphemistically called ‘levies’ on our fuel.
There’s one for renewal of the grid, another for feed in tariffs, another for subsidising ‘vulnerable’ people. The list goes on & on, and it’s a hidden element in the bill.
Just to rub salt into the wound there’s 8% VAT to be paid just for the privilege of paying the levies!
Our supplier actually states the percentage on the bill.
Another example of the BBC’s feminist bias – which verges on religious zealotry.
One of the myths we’re all told is that domestic violence is perpetrated mainly by men against women. Oddly, many many studies point to something much nearer equality between the sexes on this issue*. There has been a consistent and widespread drive to forget this fact. The WHO and the BBC helpfully follow suit.
*google “Professor Murray Straus” for some interesting papers on the subject
Sorry. The page links to this but the BBC report is at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-22975103
Erin Pizzey, who was one of the first women to highlight domestic violence in the 1970s later said much the same thing about women being as violent as men in relationships and quoted Police figures which showed a similar 50/50 ratio. She was vilified, abused and even had threats made to her well-being by the man-hating Ultra-Feminist, agenda driven “sisterhood”. Pizzey even wrote a book about it. The fact that she was threatened with violence seems to indicate an aggressive disposition the feminists hate so much in the male of the Homo Sapien species.
Indeed – the abuse and threats became so serious that she eventually left the country. For the more entrenched gender ideologues, it’s an ‘us and them’ tribal war with territory to defend. In their zero-sum game the conceding of any ground to the enemy, by accepting that the identity of victim and perpetrator might not always fit their prejudice, is to be a traitor to the agenda. Unfortunately, this ‘one way’ mindset is also entrenched in government departments, and no one bats an eyelid. If you’re a male victim, you’re invisible.
Yes, Pizzey is an extraordinary human being. She survived a pretty awful upbringing, then later in life these feminist attacks, then cancer. She’s still going.
When you hear Pizzey speak, people like Harriet Harman (the two don’t get on, I understand) sound quite foolish and shallow by comparison
I’m sure a baby boy would’ve suffered exactly the same fate.
Religion of piss. Need i say anymore.
This one is even older, and more pernicious, than the ‘wage gap’ myth, and is based entirely on the discredited ‘Duluth model’ of domestic violence. As ever with these things, there is an accepted narrative from which politicians and the media simply won’t deviate.
This is a great video that highlights the extent to which these themes have permeated the political agenda, with a feedback loop between the media and the politcal class that has led to the embedding of so many of these fallacies, half truths and distortions into actual policy. It’s quite long, but well worth an hour of your time…
For an indication of just how deeply and unquestioningly the ‘domestic violence by men against women’ has become accepted as the only possible (or permissable) version of events, see this from Australia (but it could be any Western nation)…
Sorry – this in reply to Henry @ 8:33 pm
Thanks. Found it.
I’m finding so much evidence of this sort of thing it’s quite amazing. Horrible actually.
Ah yes GirlWritesWhat. She really is very cogent – if quite talkative, and occasionally given to speculating on evolutionary biology. I’ve seen all her videos I think.
My goodness. The BBC have quietly tucked this little ditty away on the regionals… Personally, I would have thought this worthy of headline news;
I wonder why they’ve kept it quiet? Ah, hang on….
‘Tis a most perplexing mystery…
only 5 sentences as well, imagine if whitey was accused of a similar crime, not that whitey is as barbaric as members of the religion of peace, but imagine the outrage al beeb would be reporting
It is a report of a 10-minute committal hearing. The trial is when coverage starts because that is when evidence is presented.
‘The trial is when coverage starts…’
Unless, of course…
Of course…….”the trial is when coverage starts”.
Sure it is………just like all the coverage we saw of the Muslim organised kiddy fiddling gangs who systematically groomed, raped, drugged and prostituted large numbers of vulnerable white children over a period of years, in cities all over the country, ignored and arguably condoned by the authorities and media.
Yeah, we’ve seen lots of “coverage” of those trials, haven’t we? “Muted” would be an understatement. “non-existent” would be closer to the truth, especially if you rely on Al-Beebazeera for your news.
Compare and contrast with the “coverage” of really heinous crimes, like say, speaking your mind on a tram, or spray-painting a poppy on a wall.
We’ve blamed this on inequality and racism in Sheffield.
Just imagine this happening 50 years ago. Even twenty years ago.
It would have been the main topic of the news and shocked the nation.
Have we now become so inured to these dreadful violent acts or is it something else?
A reality we dare not face.
That our once peaceful land is disintegrating.
And then the thought comes that this was never inevitable .
That men made decisions that have led to this.
Those of us who remember when things were different have a right to be angry and to tell the young that this is wrong and that matters must be put right.
Reality must be faced sooner or later.
The liberals and the post modern ( what a ridiculous phrase) tell us that there is an inevitability to history.
They are wrong and they will need to learn a harsh lesson.
Reality will teach them the error of their ways.
The double standards in the under-reporting of this horrific crime are typical of the moral relativism and hypocrisy of the BBC.
The BBC logic may be that, as the butchering was done by a member of a particular non-White ethnicity and religion, it was somehow less serious: “it’s how ‘they’ do things, ‘we’ mustn’t rush to judge ‘them’ by imposing ‘our’ standards” – and all this from an organisation that claims that ‘we’ are all equally British! It’s like the old line about the violence among Chicago mobsters: “well, as long as they’re only killing each other …”
Or perhaps it’s much simpler: the BBC doesn’t want to show this ethnicity/ religion in a bad light and so plays down and even hides away the truth.
Hey, maybe a Murdoch-owned paper hacked her phone. Then the BBC will be all over it.
We must always remember that it is not “we” who have not become inured to these dreadful violent acts. It is “they” – the political elite and BBC who have become so. In fact, less “become so” than it is inherent in the very nature of what they do and seek.
I wonder if Aunty might have found a small slot for this case had the culprit been white…
Another masturbatory article by the bBBC. They want us to know that their friends have given them an award for spending our money on an in-joke, the ‘Great British Class Calculator’.
What on earth has gone wrong with Brazil?
‘More than a million people are reported to have taken part in protests in about 100 cities across Brazil, the latest in a wave of anti-government rallies.’
BBC Country Profile for Brasil:
President: Dilma Rousseff
Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff Ms Rousseff favours a strong state role in banking and energy
Dilma Rousseff is the first woman to be elected as Brazil’s president.
She was chief of staff to her predecessor, president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, and also his favoured successor.
In the October 2010 elections to succeed President Lula, she narrowly failed to win an outright majority in the first round.
The result meant Ms Rousseff faced the second-placed candidate, Sao Paolo mayor Jose Serra of the main opposition Social Democracy party, in a run-off vote on 31 October.
Ms Rousseff, 62, was little known to her compatriots until Mr Lula selected her as his favoured successor after a number of high-profile candidates were forced out by corruption scandals during his time in office.
She joined the government in 2003 as energy minister. In 2005, Mr Lula made her his chief of staff, a post she held until March 2010, when she launched her campaign for the presidency as the Workers Party (PT) candidate.
During the election campaign, Ms Rousseff made it clear that she represented continuity with the Lula government, under which millions of Brazilians saw their standard of living rise.
She is known to favour a strong state role in strategic areas, including banking, the oil industry and energy.
Dilma Rousseff was born in 1947 and grew up in an upper middle class household in Belo Horizonte, in the coffee-growing state of Minas Gerais.
Her father, Pedro Rousseff, was a Bulgarian immigrant.
Her seemingly conventional background changed in the mid-1960s, when she was in her late teens. She became involved in left-wing politics and joined the underground resistance to the military dictatorship that seized power in 1964.
She has said that she was never actively involved in armed operations, but in 1970 she was jailed for three years and reportedly tortured.
After her release at the end of 1972 she studied economics and went on to become a career civil servant.
Ms Rousseff is twice divorced and has one daughter. In August, she became a grandmother.
In 2009, she was treated for and recovered from lymphatic cancer.
[She ticks so many BBC boxes that protests against her policies appear almost inexplicable – perhaps that’s why Paul mason isn’t there – yet]
I first read about the troubles in Brazil on the Reuters web site; it took the BBC 24 hours to catch up on this. South America, though an increasingly important part of the world, is way off the BEEBs agenda.
Turkish membership of the EU on the agenda again, with the problem of millions of Turkish Muslims flooding Europe. The only hope is Germany and Angela Merkel salting the process.
Then we get Mair dreaming of a change in the German position, he makes his beliefs obvious.
It’s pretty obvious that the left in Europe is so fixated on their responsibility to the world, that they have lost sight of their responsibility to their own citizens.
I have mixed feelings about it. If (and it’s a massive if) the EU could let Turkey in but with very strict immigration controls, it might steer Turkey away from it’s current Islamist path.
Steer Europe on one more like.
Let the Turkish people decide their own future, out side of Europe and let us (the people not the liberal elite) decide ours, out side of the caliphate
More likely it will steer 10 million additional members of the religion of peace into the UK.
Do you want to take the risk ?
What the majority want is irrelevant here.
They will never be asked or considered.
The lemmings who run the EU project are already hurtling toward the cliff edge, intent on achieving their utopian socialist garden of eden.
If the UK doesn’t uncouple itself from these lunatics soon we will be at the centre of the resulting bloodbath.
As Fraser says, we’re doomed, we’re all doomed!
The frontiers of Europe end at Greece. They always have and always will. Turkish history (very fascinating though it is) only has relevance to Europe in it’s opposition to European power.
Erdogan knows this and I very much doubt he wishes to align his country with an increasingly decadent and useless EU that is despised by many of it’s citizens.
“Any Questions?” BBC Radio 4 20:00 to 20:50 on Friday: the 5th question was from one Ibrahim Ibrahim, who asked whether it would be good if Turkey joined the EU. Tory MP Birt: yes. Feminist panellist Joan Smith: “Of course it should come in”, the only question is when not whether. Labour MP Oona King: “Not sure” if time right yet, said almost apologetically. Panellist Brenda M: “not yet”, “[hypothetically] … would be great”, “yes, in the long term”, she thought in one or two decades and Birt agreed.
No mention of the mass migration that would certainly follow on, by all those poor Turks and Kurds from the eastern part who have already come to live in the “gecekondular” (shanty towns) in the western part near Istanbul. No mention of whether we in the UK could cope or the effect on employment, housing, the NHS, schools, etc; only of whether Turkey would espouse EU values.
A nice snapshot of how the bien pensant classes “think” but credit to Oona King for at least raising a voice of doubt. Not a very enlightening discussion, when all said and done, being biased and at a low level.
I’m not anti-Turkish but all I can say is, may God / Allah help us if they do join, having been associate members since the 1960s. Romania and Bulgaria present enough of a challenge from 1/1/2014, let alone hundreds of thousands more.
Maybe five years ago that would have been a possibility. No longer. Erdogan isn’t turning the Hagia Sophia back into an operating mosque – his biggest two-fingered salute to Ataturk yet – simply in the hopes of convincing Germany to let him turn back to secularism.
“Erdogan isn’t turning the Hagia Sophia back into an operating mosque…”
Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has dismissed demands to open the Hagia Sophia Museum in Istanbul to prayers, despite the requests being raised by his ruling party’s deputies.
PM brushes aside calls for return of prayers to Hagia Sophia
6 May 2013
That was six weeks ago. Since then, thousands have been protesting and making a fuss to allow Mohammedan worship there, the first step towards turning it back into a mosque. Erdogan hasn’t dismissed them lately, as he has bigger protests to smash.
The government commission to consider the regression, begun in February in response to a petition, is still going on. Erdogan hasn’t stopped it cold yet. He wants the easy money that will come with EU membership, but isn’t going to give up all the Islamist stuff for it. That’s not how the strong horse behaves.
At the moment the only statement we have on Erdoğan’s intentions is his view in May as reported by Hürriyet, a respected source.
Clearly if he changes his position then there is a case to be made. At the moment your claim is speculation in the face of the evidence.
The second article to which you link talks about “concerns”. When you see the source of those concerns it turns out to be Raymond Ibrahim, who is not an impartial observer.
Ibrahim’s impartiality or lack thereof is irrelevant. Play the ball, not the man. Deal with the facts at hand about the recent protests which have not yet been dismissed by Erdogan, and that the discussion in the Turkish parliament is not yet over. This calls into question your claim about the evidence, as these new developments cast doubt on his supposed previous position.
I agree. Deal with the facts. If you have evidence that Erdogan’s position has changed the present it.
His stated position stands until such time as it changes.
The evidence is that not only hasn’t he stopped the discussion in parliament, but that, as far as I know, he hasn’t told the new group of protesters to knock it off and go pray next door, and that park he’s closing which kicked off the national protest against him was, even according to the BBC, symbolic.
For some Turks, the proposed reconstruction of the barracks has a symbolic significance. According to some accounts, it was at the barracks that a (failed) mutiny by Islamic-minded soldiers was initiated in 1909 intent on bringing in Sharia law.
The barracks were demolished in 1940, and attempts to rebuild them are seen by opponents to have the ring of Islamism.
Plenty of new evidence that Erdogan is not of the mindset from that statement six weeks ago. When he makes a new statement saying that the Hagia Sophia will remain a museum, then it’s settled. Until then, we have much more evidence for my assertion than for yours.
There is no evidence his position has changed. You can speculate as much as you like but it does not constitue evidence.
The only person who knows Erdogan’s mindset is Erdogan himself.
I agree- deal with the facts. Erdogan’s stated position stands until such time as it changes. If you have evidence that his position has changed then present it.
I am an idiot. The protests were last year, not this year. I got my dates confused after reading this opinion piece from June 14 of this year from an Islamist who says he’s witnessed the calls to reopen it as a mosque.
However, a different perspective on the Erdogan statement you’ve provided is that he was merely pointing out that the nobody’s praying at the Blue Mosque, so fill that up first and then talk about Hagia Sophia (if the translation is a good representation of what he actually said). Which leaves us both guessing, really.
It makes one wonder if Erdogan was already planning to rebuild the Ottoman barracks and figured that it was a shrewder opening move than messing with a cultural icon would be, and so played it close to the vest. Looks like we’ll have to wait a while to find out. His other openly Islamist moves don’t really inspire optimism.
“I got my dates confused”
Easily done 🙂
As an aside, I have had lunatics on twitter tell me that it’s our fault that Turkey has been moving more from a secular path to an islamic state.
Why? Because if only we had admitted them to the EU it would never have happened. Oy vay!
Question to ask any Turks you meet – it’s really just a little linguistic fun but be a bit careful too as it is serious:
“Are you one of those who has been unable to be Europeanised?”
12 words become one by agglutination!
Ah yes, that famous ‘root cause analysis’ which only ever extends back to when white christian men had a role in anything (or indeed didn’t have a role and thus didn’t stop something else from happening).
Why not let Nigeria or Pakistan join the EU, Africa, Asia and Europe are all part of the same land mass after all.
The Commonwealth is also a big problem, as only Canada, Australia and New Zealand are truly ‘First World’ nations, and their combined population is close to that of the UK.
When it comes to total numbers, about 90% of the Commonwealth’s population lives in just 4 countries:
India with its IT crooks (1100 million)
Bangladesh with its extreme poverty (200 m)
Pakistan with its Talebanic terrorists (200m)
Nigeria with its (same as Pakistan) (200 m)
Some observations from last night’s BBC output (apologies if these have been observed already but at least it shows independent observers are noticing these things)
1. Question Time question order: 1. Banker bash 2. Drugs 3. Syria 4. Housing
So where was the question on the CQC cover-up?
QT was at the Boris Broadcasting Centre, last night.
Russell ‘Bland’ was pontificating on drugs. The usual suspects bused in were cheering with orgasmic delight at his pearls of wisdom.
It was all going sublimely along when things got more interesting when the panel started talking of ‘what to do’ with Assad.
at about 35m 22s
Melanie Phillips slightly lost it as she warned everyone about the real problem of Iran / Shia Islam. The boo-boys got going and the floor manager cued the righteous indication.
‘New President been voted in, surely we are all saved’ the Liberals cry.
More like revolving doors. Another ‘Ahmadinerjacket’ in different clothes.
It reminded me of a time when Neville Chamberlain held up a piece of paper in the wind, ‘Peace in our time’. That worked!!
Oops, I meant ‘indignation’.
I thought mad mel done all right. The booing was pretty thinly spread and there was just as much polite applause.
When she confronted one of the ‘booers’ he was lost for words and looked an idiot .Dimbledore had to jump in to save him.
I think Mel’s out burst caught them of guard ,she should try it more often
I wish there was more of that too. It’s vital to get in their face and challenge their ignorance. Bullies are only looking for victims and they’re relying on people backing down. We need more like Mel to get in their face with a bit of verbal “oh you want some do you?”
Just looking at the statements of the Chair & Vice Chair of the BBC and it’s no surprise it’s in such a mess !
Statements by Patten:
“The BBC is the best broadcasting organisation in the world”
” It is the best not simply because it makes wonderful programmes, but because it has placed itself technologically at the cutting edge,”
Vice Chair Diane Coyle statement:
“I’ve always valued the BBC, not least as the best provider of news coverage in the world. Its impartiality(????) and comprehensive coverage underpin its vital civic role.”
I think most of us here regard Patten as an over privileged rich boy given a cushy job after he failed in London failed in Hong Kong and needed a nice easy job.
But Coyle? Here’s what she’s been up to:
In February 2011 Coyle accepted an invitation to advise Labour’s then shadow Business Secretary John Denham. BBC Trust Head of Governance Phil Harrold, suggested “this could potentially be a significant partisan political activity”, before concluding that it was not, as the unpaid and non-party political role involved offering independent expert advice on competition policy Conservative MP Philip Davies stated that Coyle’s appointment to the BBC Trust had been “an inappropriate choice”. Coyle’s political allegiances were reported as “unknown” by The Guardian.
She is married to BBC News’ Technology Correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones.
So we have someone advising the Labour party, who despite the DGs statement of ‘massive left wing bias’ refuses to believe it, and is even married to someone who is entrenched within the corporation, surely a conflict of interest?
With the top two of the Governors so compromised, it’s no surprise that the BBC is so out of control.
Just to lighten up your weekend !
This news report had me splitting my sides! I know there are some whackos in the US but these guys……..!
I’m surprised the BBC hasn’t picked up on this story and represented it as a serious threat to British Muslims!
Two Albany men have been arrested after trying to build a machine that would use X-rays to kill Muslims and other perceived enemies of the U.S.
their nickname for the planned weapon: “Hiroshima on a light switch.”
Crazy stuff! Perhaps they could bring back that top secret US weapon of the 1980s … the Ronald Ray-Gun.
lol. Nice one.
The KKK working to help defeat Israel’s enemies? I don’t even know how to process that information. This so-called x-ray machine is a joke. What were they expecting to do with the device, point it at a mosque and hope a couple people get cancer in 25 years?
Good thing the authorities found out about these guys instead of the Boston bombers. I’m surprised somebody like Jonny Dymond didn’t pick this up and run with it, since it supports his “explosion” of hate groups Narrative.
So the LibLabCon-trick wants to ban Anti-islamic extremists.
What about the tens of thousands of Pro-islamic extremists that you have already allowed to move here permanently?
An all-female, mostly white jury has been selected to decide George Zimmerman’s fate. Hardly a fair jury of his peers, if we’re going to play the racialist game that would otherwise be required if he looked like the President.
Zimmerman, remember, is not anywhere near as pure white as the BBC and the mainstream US media wanted you to believe (despite Dez calling me a racist for suggesting it). Part Hispanic, with a black grandfather, he was raised bi-lingual in a household as ethnically diverse as a BBC wet dream, and far more diverse than BBC top management.
The US mainstream media wanted a race-war story, and everyone here probably knows by now about the deceit and fakery they used to push that Narrative, one which the BBC eagerly passed along to you without question. When that didn’t work, they tried calling him a “white Hispanic”.
Also, the “Stand Your Ground” law will not be involved at all, since it’s irrelevant to the facts that we now have. Originally, the police didn’t know (or didn’t want to accept) the full details, and said that’s why they didn’t arrest Zimmerman right away. Once we all found out that Martin and Zimmerman were involved in a physical altercation at the time of the shooting, that law went out the window because it’s about shooting from a distance. Everyone except BBC audiences, that is, because the BBC has still kept that key fact from you. In any event, good old-fashioned self-defense law is at issue now.
I guess the BBC will have to start covering this once the trial starts. Don’t trust them.
Learnt more about this case in the last minute than several weeks of BBC news.
Has anyone heard anything more about the “far right attacks” in Muswell Hill and Chislehurst? Absolute silence, everywhere.
It’s like every other time the rug-knitting, Guardian-reading chattering classes point the finger at the Far-Right; they get it horribly wrong, no-one bats an eyelid and they remain silent until the next time they get a chance to wrongly blame everything on the EDL/BNP. Ad infinitum.
Robert Spencer on the BBC on whether freedom fighters should be barred from the UK”
how usual … for the bbc to sidle this away on the bloody asian network ….
after throwing everything but the kitchen sink on an extended stephen lennon nihal last week, that failed miserably to get the al bbcs desired effect.
here we are again …
same laughable ad homs … same result 😀
nihal getting floor wiped again! getting to be bit of a habit
for one simple reason, truth and fact will out.
note bbc advert for those wishing to circumvent immigration rules ie
“how far would you go to get into britain?”
asian network special people and their stories
BBC ‘Asian Network’ is a apartheid radio network which British people have to finance in the interests of people from certain parts of Asia who appear to give their first identity there , not to Britain.
Issues of the societal impact of mass immigration, and of Islam are usually presented in a pro-mass immigration, and pro-Islam political manner, with British non-Asian viewpoints ignored or relegated.
Essentially ‘Asian Network’, which poses as a music network, is politically propagandist at our expense.
It’s hard to argue that it doesn’t contribute to Balkanization or that it doesn’t impede integration and national social cohesion.
Wonderful Asian network reception on DAB here in my part of Wales. Top quality stuff.
Can I get Radio Wales or Radio Cymru, the Welsh language version? Nahhh, nothing, diddly squat. Great huh?
Other means of reception are available of course, but somehow still get annoyed about it.
“Asian Network” – yeh, right. How much Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Singaporean etc. input is there on this channel? The Beeb’s definition of “Asian” is suprisingly narrow, don’t you think?
I believe it is known as ‘lazy racism’ to lump 4 billion people together like that.
Gellar’s posters in NYC called for people to stand up against “savages”, and to fight “jihad”. So impartial Nihal asked if this was calling all Mohammedans “savages”. Only if they all support jihad, of course, but that’s not what the BBC wants you to think. The BBC loves to demand the distinction between Islamist extremism/jihad and Mohammedans in general, but anyone who speaks out against jihad is somehow automatically anti-Mohammedans in general. It doesn’t wash.
At least Nihal did reasonably challenge the Hate Not Hope guy. “Are you against jihad?”, and caught him being unable to quote anything from Spencer that was anti-Islam, full stop. Nice that he decided to clarify the savage/jihad message here, since he deliberately tried to muddy the waters in his intro. I guess we’ll just chalk that up to the usual teasing the audience that everyone does. He did show up the Hope Not Hate guy to be a fraud. Nihal deserves credit for calling out the imam for dodging the religious text issues, but he ended up getting a solid answer which actually goes along exactly with what Geert Wilders says needs to happen regarding modernization of Islam. It’s a shame that went right over the Beeboid’s head and he kept asking for it to be spoon-fed to him.
Too bad this was done for the Mohammedan audience and won’t be done for the general public.
PS: I see slander and defamation is allowed to flow freely on the BBC Asian Network.
“EDL: Theresa May considers banning US bloggers from UK”
This is political ‘deja-vu’ of Labour Government’s banning of Dutch PM Geert WILDERS from U.K in 2009 (and then reversing the decision).
The political content of BBC-NUJ ‘report’ gives a positive spin to the physically disruptive Unite Against Fascism which BBC-NUJ supports.
Wittingly or unwittingly, this British government is on the verge of politically capitulating to the combined forces of virtually all Islamic organisations, and of three main political parties, plus the trade unions and most of the MSM (inc BBC-NUJ) in an historic act against freedom.
The global Islamic organisation, the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) has been campaigning for year to make the criticism of Islam a global criminal offence.
The OIC is having an early substantial success in dhimmified Britain.
The following is never reported by BBC-NUJ.
“OIC stepping up efforts to intimidate free nations into criminalizing criticism of Islam”
bbc eh! anti islam ads?… where?
anti jihadi anti savages ads yes
usual snidey bbc insinuations
old nihal pleading for someone who could “paper over” the quotes, mr spencer reeled off to call in…
“please an imam, anyone call in … PLEASE call
don t let this pass”
the imam they wheeled out , must have had mo s pork dinner for lunch, and eerrrm! “wasn t prepared?
37 mins ish
You know what’s really sad? That imam said that contemporary Mohammedans are not required to follow calls for violence which existed in the context of what was going on in Arabia 14 centuries ago. That’s exactly what Geert Wilders says needs to be the message of Mohammedans today, and dopey Nihal and all his other guests and callers missed it. That guy needs to be wheeled out on every single BBC topical show to repeat that statement, and every BBC employee needs to write it 100 times in letters ten feet high all the way around new Television Centre.
The solution is right there in front of them yet they’re too busy moaning about Islamophobia and effing racism to notice. Pathetic pieces of haram dung.
I’d love to see the doctrinal evidence to support that because the Qur’an is supposed to be the eternal an unchanging word of God. What was valid 14 centuries ago is valid today, and if it is not then the whole theological foundation of Islam is taken away
Indeed isn’t that what dropped Salman Rushdie in the shite (no pun intended -really)
I’ve no time for Nihal, who was worse than the usual suspects when standing in on radio 5 ,but thought he was more even handed than others I’ve heard on ‘mainstream’ BBC (though that aint saying much)
But had to laugh at so self styled academic who ,during defence of actual existence of Mohamed says ‘there no tomb of Jesus but were all right with his existence’
Should think you are given that tomb of Christ was destroyed by Hakim the mad in 1009. And no mention to Tom Bell. He must be disappointed or maybe not
“BBC FABRICATES HEADLINES AND NEWS STORIES ABOUT BANNING PAMELA GELLER AND ROBERT SPENCER FROM UK”
Technically, they had a guest on who fabricated it, but it was curious that the impartial host either hadn’t done the research to know enough to correct the Hope Not Hate guy (who seemed pretty filled with hate to me, and was hoping for thought control), or simply didn’t care to because Spencer was on and could defend himself. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt there but he kept attacking Spencer as if he believed the fabrications, and Spencer had to keep repeating that it was a lie.
Job done, BBC.
“EDL Woolwich Demo Update”
The President’s Osborne gaffe was so public and so bad – as it was a repeated mistake – that even the BBC couldn’t censor news of it like they have with nearly all His other errors. So they whipped up a little video making a gesture toward poking fun at Him, but what it was really about is telling you that the President is such a big fan of Jeffrey Osborne, who is very flattered and gave a shout out to George. End joke, Osborne has turned down an offer to do a duet.
Have we pushed this story as far away as possible from the starting point that it was a stupid mistake by the supposedly smartest man in the room, brain the size of a planet? Why, yes we have. Job done, BBC. Protect Him at all costs.
Now somebody please show me an example of the BBC going out of their way to show how any gaffe by George Bush or Sarah Palin was an honest mistake like this.
And there’s Harry Bosco at it again!
It isn’t Obama’s fault, it’s because Osbourne is such an insignificant man, he deserved the slight. If it had been Bush who had made the gaffe the presentation would have been reversed and Bush would have been made to look stupid.
You make the Chancellor seem insignificant, since you can’t spell his surname right either.
He is not related to Ozzy or Sharon.
Is that the best you can do Mark?
After a couple of bottles of wine – yes.
I well remember having a boss for a couple of years whose only contribution to my reports was to correct any small spelling errors. Never anything regarding the substance, recommendations, or action. Just the spelling. The useless twat earned three times my salary, and was eventually unceremoniously dumped for being a lazy unproductive waster.
It wasn’t you by any chance Mark?
The ‘useless tw*t’ in question certainly wasn’t me, and I apologise if this comment had been seen to be unnecessarily pedantic.
Returnbing to topic, I agree with most of the sentiments on the site, namely that the BBC has a bias inasmuch that even the most minor gaffe from a non-Leftist leads them to turn it into the main headline. By contrast, if a Leftist makes a gaffe, the BBC either say nothing or turn the story round to excuse the blunderer.
Shiraz perchance mark?
It was one of Laithwaite’s selections, and all I can remember is it was called something like “15%” due to its strength.
“Protect Him at all costs”….now read this from the much maligned Rush Limbaugh, who it should be remembered, has a daily audience greater than all BBC networks combined.
Kevin Connolly might be feeling just a tiny bit guilty about his biased reporting from Israel over the last couple years. Someone here said he was leaving soon, so perhaps this very lengthy BBC Online Magazine piece about the Holocaust and Israel is an attempt to make up for some of it.
I imagine the BBC will get a load of “complaints from both sides” about this, because it accepts as fact that the Nazis systematically murdered 6 million Jews and – worst of all for the anti-Israel types at the BBC and in their audience – essentially provides the justification for Israel’s existence. Connolly better watch his back next time he’s in Broadcasting House.
The BBC has two categories for positive reporting on Jews: strange diet and victims of the Nazis. It’s only when they actively protect themselves, as in Israel, does the BBC get upset.
nothing on the bbc about this islamic nutjob and why he is allowed here to hate preach .
a man “may use beatings to discipline his wife”, but he says, “he must beat her lightly”. LOL :d
EDL rally: Theresa May considers banning US bloggers from UK
Already commented on by George R, above.
In case we weren’t using them enough already:
FBI uses drones for surveillance in U.S
FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged the law enforcement agency uses drone aircraft in the United States for surveillance in certain difficult cases.
Mueller told the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday that drones are used by the FBI in a “very, very minimal way and very seldom.”
He’s probably telling the truth here. After all, there haven’t been that many Tea Party protests recently……
BBC: We’ve censored this information and it doesn’t appear in our newly-published report about the President nominating a new FBI director. Instead, we’ll point out that the President’s choice successfully opposed one of Bush’s warrantless wiretapping schemes. But don’t worry, we won’t wonder if he’ll oppose The Obamessiah’s warrantless wiretapping schemes, since He’s cool.