Guest post by Graeme Thompson aka “hippiepooter”
How do we combat Jihad?
We recognise it for the Act of Treason that it is. We recognise that the global counter-terrorist war we have (half) been engaged in is a war against the Jihad being waged against us. Whether Jihad is prosecuted against us by violence or by the black propaganda of internal enemy organisations like Cageprisoners, we deal with Treason accordingly, we deal with captured enemy accordingly.
Any Muslim who says the West is waging a war against Islam is committing Treason. Any non-Muslim who says the West is waging war against Islam is committing Treason. It is enemy black propaganda. At time of war, aiding and abetting the enemy should lead to immediate incarceration. We should have military tribunals to deal with these incarcerations according to the rules of war. We need to have our own Guantanamo’s. Not just for our domestic jihadists, but for those on the Marxist left and the Jew haters who make common cause with Jihad. After 12 years of being at war, it is time we got up to speed on what being at war means.
Unlike Melanie Phillips whom I hugely admire, I have a lot of time for the Prime Minister’s diplomatic hypocrisy over Islam in the wake of the Woolwich Jihad atrocity. There are a lot of British Muslims who practice their religion through the prism of the common humanity that binds us all. The last thing any decent human being wants to see is a violent backlash against innocent British Muslims at the hands of opportunist racists like the EDL. President George W Bush did of course set this great example of restraint and tolerance in the wake of 9/11.
However, too much diplomatic hypocrisy leaves us vulnerable. We encourage the enemy to think we are utterly stupid, we encourage ourselves to be utterly stupid.
One still marvels that most of the country thinks that when waging a counter-terrorist war there is something wrong with having TPOWs (Terrorist Prisoners of War) in Guantanamo or wheresoever.
Who has been at the forefront of fomenting this suicidal idiocy? The BBC.
The anti-western narrative of its predominantly left wing news and current affairs coverage of the Afghan and Iraq wars has played directly into the hands of jihad propaganda.
Possibly, the best example of the BBC’s complicity with the enemy, is that brainchild of former Guantanamo inmates Moazzem Begg and Binyam Mohamed, Cageprisoners. It could not be more patently obvious that Cageprisoners is a Jihadi propaganda organisation. The best argument in favour of Guantanamo is that Jihadists want to close it down. Moazzem Begg and Binyam Mohamed should be in a British Guantanamo yesterday. BBC journalists like Steve Evans and Angela Saini who do their propaganda work for them should enjoy a nice friendly chat with officers from MI5 on the meaning of Treason, and be left in no doubt that the next time they commit it they’ll be in a jail cell within 24 hours.
That’s how wars are fought. If we don’t fight this war we’re in, we’re going to lose it.
Had we heeded Churchill’s warnings about Hitler we could have avoided WWII, let’s hope we heed his warnings about Islam before we end up in WWIII.
Those two bottom links are great hippiepooter, thanks. Such a good post is ruined by the phrase “opportunist racists like the EDL”: you could have just left it as “opportunist racists” and thereby avoided pedants lie me commenting about something other than the excellent points your post makes. Ironic that it is the BBC themselves at the forefront of the non-reporting and misreporting of what and who are the EDL. I know you have no time for them or the fact that they have never called for nor instigated any violence, plus the multi and varied membership is skewed by the always photographed skinheads etc.
Anyway: a British Gitmo, yes please. If only we had politicians brave enough.
““Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”
yep…amused by the reaction to that Muslim ‘suspect’ who escaped from a Mosque wearing a burkha.
The BBC campaigned relentlessly to get Begg released, his father must have taken over Jimmy Savile’s old caravan in the car park he was interviewed so often.
They campaigned against the extension of detention orders for suspects.
And now they pillory the government for ‘losing’ a ‘dangerous suspect’…..they wouldn’t have lost him if he’d been locked up whilst they investigated him more fully….or deported him…again something the Left campaign so vigorously against.
If it’s against British interests then it’s pro-BBC
its outrageous, scandalous and preposterous to suggest that the UK should have its own Guantanamo. Traitors’ should be executed.
“There are a lot of British Muslims who practice their religion through the prism of the common humanity that binds us all.”
Sorry but that is an extremely naive view and a rather contradictory one given some other statements. The root problem is Islam’s ideology. That was what Churchill was attacking and it is something that practically all Muslims are likely to defend. Mostly the ‘lefties’ and the BBC that you condemn are just as likely to condemn the extremists and use a very similar viewpoint to defend any calls for this war, which you rightly say we are engaged in, not to be fought. There are many reasons to have concerns regarding the EDL but racism isn’t generally one of them.
Many Muslims regard themselves as moderate as this video shows: http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/islam-or-islamophobia2 but they still support nasty things like death for apostates, stoning for adultery, attacking people who ‘defame’ their so-called prophet. I am sure there are many Muslims in Pakistan who practice their ‘faith’ with tolerance but Islam is still tearing the country apart. Ditto Nigeria, Somalia, Egypt, Libya, Syria….etc.
In short, the problem lies in the ideology of Islam and to some extent all Muslims are culpable for following that ideology. To quote from the ECHR:
From President of ECHR on 22nd Jan 2004 summing up ruling made in 2003:
In its judgment, the Court first noted that freedom of thought, of religion, of expression and of association as guaranteed by the Convention could not deprive the authorities of a State in which an association, through its activities, jeopardised that States institutions, of the right to protect those institutions. It necessarily followed that a political party whose leaders incited violence or put forward a policy which failed to respect democracy or which was aimed at the
destruction of democracy and the flouting of the rights and freedoms recognised in a democracy, could not lay claim to the Conventions protection against penalties imposed on those grounds. Such penalties could even, where there was a sufficiently established and imminent danger for democracy, take the form of preventive intervention.
Noting that the Welfare Party had pledged to set up a regime based on sharia law, the Court found that sharia was incompatible with the fundamental principles of democracy as set forth in the Convention. It considered that sharia, which faithfully reflects the dogmas and divine rules laid down by religion, is stable and invariable. Principles such as pluralism in the political sphere or the constant evolution of public freedoms have no place in it”. According to the
Court, it was difficult to declare one’s respect for democracy and human rights while at the same time supporting a regime based on sharia, which clearly diverged from Convention values, particularly with regard to its criminal law and criminal procedure, its rules on the legal status of women and the way it intervened in all spheres of private and public life in accordance with religious precepts.
Sharia is a nasty intolerant political ideology but how many Muslims vocally condemn it? Precious few is the answer,
Anyone suggesting we should have military tribunals with the power to execute or immediately incarcerate ‘Any Muslim who says the West is waging a war against Islam’ is aiding Al-Qaeda’s cause and is therefore committing treason.
gonzo, please start using the username Lord Haw Haw
AQ’s goal was to start a war between the West and Islam, and so recruit Muslims to their cause. I’d suggest Graeme Thompson’s plan would aid that cause.
Hence I’ve decided he too would have to be locked up for treason. Immediatley, and by military tribunal. Does this sound really silly yet?