BBC seem to have enjoyed the Conservative win in the 44th safest Conservative seat in the UK. I caught a very hostile and patronising interview around 6.50am on the Today programme where the meme being flogged was that the UKIP bubble had burst! Honestly, the BBC is as biased against UKIP as rags like The Huffington Post. Little analysis of the WOEFUL Labour performance, of course, just a chuckle at the LibDems. UKIP cut the Conservative majority in half and yet, to the BBC, this is a tragic failure???
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Funny how the BBC is now pro-Tory!
Depends on your sense of humour!!
They are pro EU or anyone, who will further imprison us into socialist slavery!
Not sure I’d agree with you on this. Given the circumstances that led to Patrick Mercer’s resignation, UKIP really should have done a lot better then they did. This was potentially an opportunity for a Martin Bell style campaign, and it shouldn’t have been beyond UKIP to have found a more credible candidate than Helmer. Instead, their approach was half-hearted, with Farage pursuing more urgent (and lucrative) business elsewhere, and resulted in a weak Tory candidate being allowed to triumph.
Can’t argue with your comment about Labour’s woeful performance, though, and Clegg’s days are surely numbered.
The Martin Bell campaign was a Labour wheeze (see Campbell’s self aggrandising book) and had the full support of the BBC and associated left-wing press. It was one constituency where the sitting MP was a complete tosser who was being, unfairly its true, accused of corruption.
UKIP are on their own, in a completely different situation and until they get some of the popular press on side will be fighting an uphill battle.
I’m not sure I want them to succeed but I dislike intensely the way the press have been behaving recently.
sadly said tosser and wife now appear to be ensconced within the UKIP fold – difficult one to understand
Hamilton is one of their better performers – he does actually understand what he’s talking about. Saw him on Question Time not long ago and I thought he was a very persuasive guest.
He is not stupid but he is a major tosser; a complete busted flush.
UKIP must be mad!
The message from the BBC and the rest of the MSM is that UKIP are finished after this ‘disaster’.
Forced the Tories to employ the biggest, most extensive ground game I’ve ever seen in a by-election.
Cut the Tory majority by 55% in an ultra-safe seat.
Pushed Labour into third place.
All partys’ votes down, except UKIP who increased their vote by 600%.
So yeah – a disaster for UKIP, right?
Semsible people outside the bubble know that by-elections mean little. Also that a Tory win was predictable. The BBC is just frothing as usual about nothing. It’s all got to be drama. ‘Earthquakes’ and ‘racism’, instead of grown up coverage about political issues.
Anyone remember any BBC coverage in the Euro elections about how any of the parties would actually do anything different in the European Parliament? Does the BBC care even now what’s happening.
The one glimmer of light was the Clegg/Farage debate but that illumination was snuffed out as soon as it was apparent to the hacks who had the winning arguments with the public.
I wish UKIP had done better. However: rural not urban constituency as far as I can tell, 16k majority, 1000 strong Tory invasion, challenge by relatively inexperienced party, accusations of racism all over the place for weeks, the BBC.
Read somewhere that far fewer women vote for UKIP. Room for improvement there, for starters.
You have to remember that UKIP’s chances were bigged-up by an essentially anti-UKIP MSM, including the BBC, in the hope of being able to say the bubble they themselves had created had deflated. That’s why so much pressure was put on Nigel Farage to stand, in the hope of tying him personally to the deflated bubble. To his credit he knew that, though I can’t believe they couldn’t have done better than Helmer. In reality UKIP were never going to win this, even some of their more hysterical supporters foolishly went along with the charade.
Whilst it would be good to see UKIP MPs, that is not the be-all and end-all as far as I’m concerned. The aims, of prising control of the UK away from the EU, do not lend themselves to making a good party of government and they don’t need to. What is more important is to take large chunks of support away from other parties until they are forced to do something about the EU.
Agree entirely. Depriving others of power rather than accumulating it themselves.
Also, to put it bluntly, shit stirring in Brussels as encouragement to people in other member States, making them realise that there are alternatives to arrogant, third rate dross like Van Rompuy, Barroso, Kinnock,
Cameron,Cleggetc (jumped the gun a bit there).I think they did very well considering how things are stacked against them by the BBC and others. Do I believe UKIP and Farage are the be-all and end-all as they stand? Of course not. There’s a long way to go, but the EU elections and this by-election were twenty years in the making, like a band’s first album.
They’ve now released that first album – on to the difficult second album next May. My guess is it will be alright, but don’t expect it to be much better than this one. These things take time. One hit single, maybe another, and the rest filler and b-sides…they can’t possibly put out ‘Dark Side of The Moon, ‘Thriller’ and ‘Saturday Night Fever’ in one go and so soon…
I don’t understand this “women don’t like Farage” as a woman I think he’s fine, what turns my stomach is the gurning faces of the 3 stooges.
Farage has seven female MEP’s, chosen on their merits and beliefs in freedom and democracy, and therefore who are as Politically incorrect as any other intelligent free thinking individual.
Cameron’s careerist cuties, some who have turned out to be lefties, were persuaded to join the Tory party, because he offered them a safe Tory seat, and are as Politically correct as any bland repressed brain dead moron.
Funny how the BBC is now pro-Tory!
Indeed, it seems to change to match David Vance. A co-incidence surely?
Not pro-Tory. Anti-UKIP. Although I appreciate that’s a bit much for some to understand.
I thought the BBC were quite relaxed about UKIP whilst it appeared they were taking votes from the Tories alone.
At some point during the local and European election it became apparent that UKIP were taking votes from other parties too, including Labour, and then the gloves came off and the approach changed completely.
Absolutely.
I looked at the change in the voting numbers when comparing the 2010 general election results for Newark, with the by-election a few days ago.
From 2010 to 2014 the tories went from 27,590 votes to 17,431 – a 36% drop.
But Labour went from 11438 to 6842 – a 40.1% drop!
So (and there are assumptions here) if the reduction in both vote counts can be attributed to the UKIP effect, then it is clear that UKIP has taken more votes off Labour here than the Tories.
So UKIP is not just splitting the tory vote, it is splitting the Labour vote even more!
Showing that the often-made assertion that if you vote UKIP you let in Labour, is wrong!
Agreed Neil, there was plenty of evidence from local elections that UKIP were taking more Labour votes ( or more accurately ,potential Labour votes) than Tory votes
The message is clear ( even if the BBC dont want people to hear it)
Vote Tory get Labour
If you look at Rotherham and Newark, I think it would be more accurate to say that in the General Election, Labour/Liberal voters in Tory seats would vote UKIP as the best chance to unseat the Tory, while Tory/Liberal voters in Labour seats would vote UKIP as the best chance to unseat the Labourite.
So on that reckoning, if any Labour, Conservative or Liberal seats were to change party, most would change to UKIP.
If both the Tories and Labour party have less seats as they do now, then we get another coalition, but a coalition without the Cameron traitor.
But there are about 90 Tory and 30 Labour patriots that UKIP could rely on in any National coalition, as well as most of the Ulster unionists.
Anti UKIP yes. Not pro Tory, but with Dave grovelling to the BBC and adopting their policies they might show him some support.
Still looking for Mohammed?
It was a win-win situation for the BBC. The polls were showing a Tory win with reduced majority so the BBC could indulge in mocking such a fall in votes and also the slowing of UKIP momentum.
And Labour lost votes compared to last time. For an opposition party hoping to win power this was surely the biggest conclusion from any basic analysis?
I suspect that LibDem voters were advised to vote Tory instead, on this occasion, (knowing that their candidate had NO chance) and thus help to scupper UKIP.
UKIP’s day will come again, and again, and again…
Evidently quite a lot of LibDem voters at Newark have said they did vote Tory – to block UKIP .
The fairest anaysis I have heard on the by-election and the effect on each of the parties was on the BBC. But it was the through-the-count programme chaired by Andrew Neil.
I just happened to turn the radio on as Radio 5 announced the result live.
The returning officer did his bit, then the winning candidate had his say. We then had the first word of the UKIP candidate as the sound was turned down for the studio pundits to tell us what a disaster it had been for UKIP!
I heard Mishal Husain patronising and cavilling about UKIPs performance when she held forth , with a walk on part from Suzanne Evans.
Tory triumph, UKIP finished…that kind of crap.
One hour later when George Osborne was fitted with the Today loser badge…it all turned out to be a UKIP terror, and a smack in the case for the Tories.
Basically automatic gainsay and establishing a perversely contrary position…Monty Pythons “Argument ” sketch comes to mind.
No-not a peep about Labour not even being any kind of opposition to the Tories at this stage…UKIP being now the official opposition in large chunks of the country..at the BBC, they`ll not be mentioning the irrelevance and the sidelining of Milibands Monster Raving Looneys.
Why aren`t UIKIP demanding the disembowelling of the BBC then?..along with grammar schools, the end of Saviles fellow travellers could sweep them into power.
That’s a good point – why is UKIP not demanding the disembowelling of the BBC?
Because Batten must have told them that Mensa seem to be succeeding in doing it for them.
Are you also a Mensa member, Richard?
Gerard and I keep that as secret as a decision made by the Bilderberg group of politicians who are representatives of the will of the people, but want to keep these decisions secret from the people who vote for them.
readers might remember the end of the SDP, when the Monster Raving Loony Party beat them in the Bootle by election, and then following David Owens refusal of a merger with the Liberals, rubbed salt into the wounds by offering the SDP a merger proposal with the MRLP !
It’s getting perilously close to the same position with the Lib Dems, and I wonder how long it might be before they throw in the towel too.
Not close enough
Nigel Farage stated after the election that any Tory seat with a 10k or less majority was up for grabs by UKIP.
Interesting.
The Jaws of Hell are opening up for the BBC.
Newark.
-Beeboids, as usual, seem more concerned with politically denigrating UKIP which got 25.9% of the vote (and second place) at Newark; in contrast, Beeboids let off lightly their politically favoured Lib Dems (who only got one tenth of the percentage vote of UKIP!), with a mere 2.59%, and were relegated to sixth place.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27728789
UKIP got more votes than BBC-Labour, BBC-LibDems and BBC-Greens added together. That’s a pretty good effort.
Furthermore ‘Right of centre’ parties (ie socialy conservative parties) have out polled ‘left of centre’ (moral relatavist) parties in the last 3 elections by a factor about 60/40
will that fact be represented in question time audiences I wonder?
The BBC deliberately exaggerated UKIPs chance of overturning such a huge majority in order to pretend that failing to do so would be a massive set back for the party, what they are really playing down is that their real paymasters Labour, were trounced into third place .
UKIP increased their vote by 22% ,some failure!
Given BBC-NUJ’s political, tactical support for Tories in Newark to stop UKIP, will Beeboids now support this in Spain?:
“Madrid names city square after Margaret Thatcher”
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/06/06/Madrid-Names-City-Square-after-Margaret-Thatcher
All the talk will be about the ‘controversial ‘ naming of the square in madrid after ‘Thatcher’.
A recently-departed Castro-loving ex-terrorist (but a global icon and a phoney saint) has hundreds of council amenities named ater him.
Hint: his ex-wife liked placing Continental necklaces around the necks of those who opposed her.
UKIP seem rather battered and bruised at their exertions over the last month on all our behalves.
I hope that they now go off, have a few glasses or pints and enjoy the World Cup.
They have done their bit brilliantly….and need a bit of TLC as well as some time to think(and well outside the medias cesspits and gin traps).
1. Out of the EU
2. Stop uncontrolled immigration now.
That`s all they need to stop the rot…and all the BBC need to get by way of policy.
For the rest of us
3. Low tax regime
4. Reverse the Tory cuts on defence
5. Grammar schools
6. End of the BBC License.
Keep it seemples lads and ladies…and you`ll get a hell of a victory within the year, and so save the nation for the time being.
F888 the media agenda-six points and polices,only talk to the media on the first two and rub their f888in faces in their own hypocrisies-and at every opportunity.
Louise Bours, Suzanne Evans?…thank you, the future is yours.
Neil Hamilton-get a bit nastier with the media who`d destroy you-and train the others how to sneer and be nasty back.
The likes of Crick will dissolve like squonks!
Thank You UKIP-and F*** the BBC.
The irony here is, if Labour had come second and cut the Conservative vote in half, it would be a great victory for Labour.