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“Double standards on immigration.
The BBC trumpets the case for and ignores critics.”
By David Keighey.
http://conservativewoman.co.uk/david-keighley-double-standards-immigration-the-bbc-trumpets-case-ignores-critics/
Exactly. Good link and fantastic comments.
Well, its Rollover Jackpot time for the beeboids. Big up useless Warsi resigning and play up response from useless limp dims , pushing their own agenda. Sweet !
limp dems are a dead man walking anyway and will sink without trace at the next election.
Bowen note:-
“WHY ISN’T ANYONE TALKING ABOUT THE NIGHTMARE IN NORTHERN IRAQ?
“ISIS’s gains against the Kurds represent a potentially tectonic shift.”
By Brendan O’Neill.
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/why-isnt-anyone-talking-about-the-nightmare-in-northern-iraq/15540#.U-HzG-NdW9Y
Because it hurt’s the brains of liberal lefties if they have to even consider the possibility that the poster buys for “multiculturalism” may be supporting a culture whose goal is the total elimination of multiculturalism and the implementation of a strict totalitarian monoculture under a brutal, violent, mysoginistic, racist and homophobic from of Shari’a law.
Far easeir for them to hate those on the right and denounce them as Nazi racists in one breath, whilst calling for the literal return of Hitler in the next, in order to finish the Final Solution he started. (as has been reposted by loads of lefties on Twitter). So long as it is Israel doing the killing, then they can happily denounce that killing and feel good about themselves in their self-rightious, Politically Correct racism
The Left’s relationship with reality
Brilliant!!!
A must-watch!
Brilliant-first right wing comic to blast the Left to smithereens.
Get him over here…fast!
Q: What are the chances of seeing him on HIGNFY, QI or Mock the week?
A: Zip (As the Americans say)
We now need our own comedians to hoist the arrogant Grauniad-reading bien pensants by their petards.
Good piece Ken
The situation seems to be deteriorating with the Kurds unable to hold ISIS back and all the minority groups on the run.
It’s not widely reported that a large part of ISIS is the old Iraqi army who are trained in using the type of heavy weapon at hand. The Kurds were unable to take them on.
One wonders if Turkey will allow this mayhem on its borders as a Iraq/Syria combination under ISIS would start talking about a caliphate in Istanbul.
Yes. No-one seems to have noticed this rather large “elephant in the room”. At some point, Turkey has to make a decision and, as has happened before, I suspect the Turkish army is already ahead of the game.
And this is precisely why both Egypt and Saudi Arabia are now on the side of Israel in its war against the Isis twin, Hamas.
The issue is indeed the a largest elephant in the room, but the western media are so blinkered by their previous misconceptions that they fail to see it.
Allow me to don my tinfoil hat for a moment…
After each world war, the “international community” took a large step towards centralising power under global authority.
WW1 = League of Nations.
WW2 = UN
The third world war is being instigated to bring in a global dictatorship which will forcefully unite all humanity under one imposed strict culture. The world is being manipulated into a clash of civilisations ensuring chaos out of which will come order.
Why else would the Western nations created from Christian scripture and common law, be funding, aiding, arming the most extreme forms of Islam? Why did our political leadership in the UK want to go into Syria on the side of ISIS? Why have we armed the most voilent Islamic sects, and routed arms through Saudi, and Qatar to these sects right across the middle east?
We should never have been meddling in the Middle east at all, but now we have, we have grabbed a very violent and irrational tiger by the tail, and that tiger wants to kill us. What do we do from here?
The international elite want to reduce the global population, as they have written about so many times…. I have a long list of quotes from the international elites who fund and run the ecomentalists campaigns, and how they want the earth’s population to be brought down to about 500 million.
http://ken-hall.blogspot.co.uk/2009/03/when-hitler-killed-millions-he-was.html
Add in the extreme controls being implemented globally, from the ground-up under the auspices of Agenda 21, look at the extreme measures being called for in the name of “tackling climate change” and the defacto global government that has already been established at the international climate summits.
Look at how those elite liberals who run the climate scare agenda at the political level, are attacking conservatives as Nazis in one breath and yet encouraging the most violent form of extremist conservative Islam in the next breath and ask WHY?
We are being conditioned to hate each other, so that when the clash of civilisations happens, we will willingly and enthusiastically kill or be killed.
I see war coming and restrictions in food and energy, imposed in the name of tackling climate change, and genetically created pandemics.
Are we going to ever elect a leader who will help us survive these challenges? Or will we keep electing those who will impose those challenges upon us to usher in the clash of civilisations, WW3 and the global dictatorship?
Putting all these things together, it looks
Note how INBBC indulges excuse that ‘poverty’ justifies Islamic jihadists’ mass murder-
“Boko Haram crisis: Nigeria’s female bombers strike”
By Farouk Chothia,
INBBC Africa.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-28657085
New from pat Condell.
‘Hypocrisy over Gaza’
Brilliant stuff from Pat Condell yet again.
Funny we`ll never see him on the BBC,given that he`s so damn popular…loads of hits and all that.
Oh-sorry-wrong kind of hits…those that don`t puff up David Dimbleby!
BTW,
have you folks seen the petition in this matter:
https://www.change.org/petitions/united-nations-human-rights-council-urgently-investigate-serious-violations-of-international-humanitarian-law-by-hamas-in-gaza
Bias allert, 8 August, 6 am Israel time (4 am Britain time):
Ynet Hebrew have just reported the renewal of Hamas rocket attacks on Israel.
Now wait for the BBC’s ‘it all started when Israel fired back’.
Israel is not attacking them, so they have started attacking themselves. Three Hamas’ rockets fell short and landed in Gaza.
Should the international community now have demonstrations against Hamas’ indiscriminate slaughter of the people of Gaza?
Right on cue, the BBC website now informs us (top news):
‘Israel strikes Gaza amid rocket fire’
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28702394
‘amid rocket fire’ is a formula they already used in an identical context a few weeks back. While technically correct, it avoids stating what came first. I don’t care if somewhere down the article they actually say something more accurate. They know that most people only read the title and perhaps the first paragraph, and that title reverses the truth.
The Beeb are lying scum. The really interesting question is why.
Who does the Today programme get to do a report on Jews in America who do not agree with what Israel has been doing in Gaza? Aleem Maqbool,BBC North America Correspondent. Previously Gaza/West Bank Correspondent who then covered Pakistan (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04cf5ps at 1hr 44 mins).
I don’t suppose Aleem has a view on Gaza? No me neither.
It seems to me that the Today programme keeps searching out fringe Jews – they admitted the demo in the States was about 150 people which suggests to me less than 100; Mira Bar Hillel burning her passport. Today keeps referring to the Jews in Britain, and here Sarah Montague, as she did today, puts on her ‘incredulity’ voice as she reports that most Jews support Israel. Would it not be beyond the whit of man for the Today programme to ask what would happen to Jews if Hamas fulfilled its Charter?
Is it not possible to find Muslims (or ex Muslims – Hello Pounce) to disagree with what is happening in Gaza, especially as so many Muslim states have failed to support Hamas this time.
Possible.
Egyptian TV Hosts Slam Hamas Leaders: We Are Sick and Tired of You
Many left wing Jews seem to have a need to renounce their Judaism when they become enamoured of the teachings of Karl Marx. Ed Miliband and George Soros are good examples. They only refer to their Jewish roots when it is politically expedient to do so. This self loathing manifests itself in an extreme dislike/hatred for Israel which they continually criticise.
Soros who was more than happy to sell out his own people and couldn’t care less. The horrible stuff he funds is a disgrace and the man is a maggot
You’ve forgotten that forked-tongued linguist at MIT, Noam Chomsky.
So what your saying is that no jew can criticize Israel? Seems to be the same line the Jihad twerps take that they are beyond criticism from other muslims.
Surely no-one is beyond criticism?
“So what your saying..”
With passionate belief, and education to clearly match Nat, Albaman and the rest of the mob off the starboard bow, welcome.
Even if the ‘what you’re saying..’ opening has in the past looked more like an attempt at framing a shaky narrative.
Your reason for mentioning me here is exactly what?
Homage, mainly, as your reappearance often seems to coincide with denial of service assaults from new friends, and spelling or grammar has proven quite your thing of late, if selectively.
Professional courtesy, possibly?
Sorry, I think you must be getting confused.
Well, when you’re sure, and can explain your thinking how, do share.
I also have a sneaking suspicion that you’re not sorry at all.
Hence the public bacon sandwich?
To the good readers of Biased BBC please show this post the respect I show to you, and read it all.
I have, in the past, written of my complete ambivolance regarding Israel/Palestine. I have understood people on here who regard everything Israel does as being justified, but respectfully disagreed with them on occasion.
I have not taken any side over that conflict and felt thoroughly fed up of both sides for a number of years now.
Initially, about 14 years ago, I supported many Islamic people and their rights to worship and pray as they pleased. I believed that was freedom and the correct libertarian position to take. I opposed much of what Israel did. I saw Iraqis welcome Brits into their homes and give the last of their food to complete strangers as Muslims should do. I took their side and opposed the Iraq war. (which I still believe was based on lies)
Having watched the BBC’s recent coverage of the latest uprisings and Israel’s disproportionate response, (and doing a lot of other independent research), I am confident to now take a much more purposeful side in this conflict. I did not want to take sides, but I cannot any-further turn a blind eye to the evil which is taking place in Gaza and it is for this reason that I now proudly say that I am fully in support of the actions of…
Israel.
Hamas are not animals. Animals do not hide behind their children. Hamas are breeding children to use as explosive delivery devices. They are using women and children as human shields. They are storing their rockets in schools and hospitals. They worship their own death. They preach that the highest honour in Islam is martyrdom and the reward is everlasting paradise.
The fact is that they CRAVE being killed, to the extent that they will strap on explosive vests and blow themselves up. They will herd people into areas which they know are about to be bombed by Israel, solely so that they can increase the death toll. They fired thousands of rockets into Israel to force Israel to respong militarily. They want as many Gazan’s to die as possible, both for propaganda purposes and because it brings them paradise. Their mass deaths are what they actually want. Israel is finally being very kind in granting them their deaths.
When you align that death-cult mentality with a never ending purpose of destroying Israel, you have a foe which you cannot reason with.
This brings me to the overtly one-sided, and grossly misleading BBC coverage.
How misleading must the coverage be in order to get liberal lefties crying out for the return of Hitler?
Seriously. I saw a picture on twitter which had been retweeted by so many lefties that actually called for a return of Hitler to finish the “Final Solution”
This opitomises left wing thinking for me. In one breath they can call tories and UKIP “Evil Nazi’s who are racists and who are ethnically cleansing the poor” and in the next breath literally call for the return of Hitler, and praise the cause of Hamas, who also praise Hitler and the Nazis.
I mean seriously WTF?
These Hamas supporting lefties actually believe that Israel are committing genocide in Gaza and the BBC has done NOTHING to dispel that obvious bullshit.
Why? Let’s look at the actual, real, indisputable facts.
Genocide. The eradication of an entire genetic race.
There are 1.8 million Palestinians. 0.1% of them have been killed, and very few of those were actually deliberately targetted, but only died as a direct result of Hamas herding their own people into and onto buildings that they knew were imminently going to be bombed. Had it not been for Hamas, the death toll would have been far lower. Killing 0.8% of a population whilst obtaining a military objective of destroying terror tunnels, is NOT genocide.
Intention Vs Capability.
Israel undoubtely has the capability to wipe Gaza off the map. It has had over 60 years to do so, yet the population in Gaza keeps increasing. The 1800 people killed in the last few weeks will be replaced in a few months, given the extraordinary birth rate in Gaza. Especially considering the fact that they are breeding so many babies so that some of them can be used in a few years as explosive delivery devices complete with suicide vests.
IF Israel had the intention, will, determination or even desire to eliminate Gazans in a massive genocide, then they have the capability to do so. The fact that Gaza’s population has kept increasing proves beyond any doubt, that Israel does NOT have any genocidal intention whatsoever. Either that or Israel has the most inept army in the world, and all the Gazans will die of old age before this so-called genocide is complete.
Now let’s look at the intentions of the people of Gaza. They elected Hamas, who repeatedly, openly and proudly call for the utter destruction and elimination of Israel. There is no doubt that IF Hamas had the capability, that Israel would be wiped off the map.
That is the difference in genocidal intent. Israel can, but has no intention or desire to do it. Hamas wants to do it, but thanks to the seperation wall, checkpoints, and occasional military clampdowns, cannot do it.
Disproportionality.
Yes, Israel is acting disproportionately. Well DUH! They have a military objective to achieve. They cannot hope to achieve that if they did not act disproportionately. The only way to win any military conflict and then return to peace is to use overwhelming, disproportionate force. Israel is not only right to use disproportionate force, but they would be insane NOT to use disproportionate force.
Yet, even yet, in spite of that disproportionate force, Israel has fired the best part of 4000 missiles into Gaza, the most densely populated part of that region…. How amazing is it that firing so many missiles, into such a densely populated area, that the vast majority of those missiles did not even kill a single person at all?
That is proof in itself that Israel IS doing all it can to minimise the unecessary deaths in Gaza. It is Hamas who are trying to have as many Gazans as possible killed.
IF Isreal did not care about the death toll, then for 4000, missiles fired into such a densely populated ares, there should have been 40,000 dead. easily an average of 10 per missile.
NONE of the above has been explained by the BBC. There has been no reasonable, rational context whatsoever. No coverage of the army of children in Hamas uniforms carrying guns and explosives. (funny how gun hating lefties do not call for the disarming of Gazan’s children) None of the photgraphs of Hamas dressed in white hoods and tunics looking like the Ku Klux Klan in suicide vests. No pictures of Palestinians drawing swastikas and praying for Hitler to return. No honest and accurate context that could ever upset their liberal demographic.
the BBC have an appalling and disgusting record in the coverage of this war, so twisted that it has achieved the impossible and even got lefty liberal idiots crying out for a return of Hitler!!!
God Bless Israel. They need all the help they can get.
Thanks Ken. The problem is that the BBC does not just report but as I just said on the last Open Thread senior staff instruct that to fulfil the Charter, the BBC must educate. This applies to Climate Change, Gaza, Labour policy, it is the excuse for it all.
What it means is that thinking people have to evaluate what they are presented with on News programmes and the like, but for most it is indoctrination into BBC group think.
I think it is becoming clear that the real enemies of the British people and their Government reside in the BBC Editorial Complaints Unit.
Frazer Steel facts are unique to this unit, the biased scientists say ‘we should not lie’ while the environmental activists outside of this unit only say ‘we should treat these assumptions as facts‘.
All it needs is for the Culture, Media and Sport Committee to announce an ‘open’ inquiry into the BBC Editorial Complaints Unit and its advisers and the complainants fobbed off with lies.
If one looks at the news for a pro-Hamas perspective apparently the BBC is pro-Israeli!
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/media/television-and-radio/2014/08/01/Gaza-media-bias-BBC-Vs-Channel-4.html
The BBC surely can’t be biased against both sides, that would mean it is, oh dear,
objective.
Seek and you shall find.
The notion that the BBC must be objective based on locating ‘reports’ from one side that is deemed to ‘balance’ those from another is of course a totally new one here, and hence utterly persuasive.
Good way of avoiding a debate. The balance is what broadcasters in the UK strive for. But it doesn’t take much searching to find other perspectives which find bias as well.
If the report doesn’t for your prejudices then is it biased or objective. As no-one has a monopoly on truth, challenging your views is surely healthy.
‘Good way of avoiding a debate”
Clearly not as effective as deliberately missing the point.
Or other stuff.
‘If the report doesn’t for your prejudices’
Are you the same person or is this conversation going to involve dealing with ever more people with ever reducing letters until left with nothing but ‘gon’?
Please tell us, Klingon, why BBC reporters, indeed those of other broadcasters, don’t tell us of the intimidation by their Hamas minders, the fact that Hamas have their HQ in the basement of the main hospital, continually broadcast “Pallywood” fakery and continue to push “atrocities” committed by Israel even when those “atrocities” have proven to have never happened e.g. the “artillery attack” on the UN school in Rafah.? There are many more examples too numerous to mention. Come on then, Klingon ( a name you’ll probably keep until your new one next week), if you are not one of our usual trolls trying to divert the debate, and you genuinely want to enter the conversation, give us an explanation for the instances above.
Well said, was not far behind you in my ambivalence.
Anyone struggling to understand the situation and its history should view this video.
Excellent article Ken.
Since July the Pakistani military have been conducting a military operation in the Waziristan region against the Taliban and other terrorist groups. Many civilians ( 1600 at the last estimate) have been killed and thousands have been displaced. The similarity between the Pakistani operation in Waziristan and the Israeli action in Gaza is striking. Both have discovered tunnel systems and weapons stashing in civilian homes and buildings. Yet there has been no mention by the BBC or any MSM outlet, the UN or politicians of the Pakistani action. The only reference to it has been by a minor UN official who stated he was “concerned” by the civilian death toll. Yes, that’s right, he was “concerned”. It’s different if the Israelis are involved though. Ban Ki Moon and other UN officials, and politicians are “appalled” calling it “disproportionate”, “morally reprehensible” and “disgraceful”.
Also no bleeding hearts about the 1800 people killed in Syria over the past week, the killing of Christians and Sharia Muslims by Isis thugs in Iraq.
And still the MSM continue to propagate Hamas propaganda and refer to Israeli bombings of UN schools that NEVER happened. Even Sky this morning referred to the Israeli shelling of the UN school at Rafa when it is now known to have been a targeted missile strike on Islamic Jihad terrorists OUTSIDE and AWAY from the school.
You cannot believe anything the MSM reports about Gaza.
And no mention by the bBBC that the blessed saint Obama has ordered the killing by drones of at least 2,400 people (men, women and children) in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/23/obama-drone-program-anniversary_n_4654825.html
Didn’t the Nobel peace prize winner also say he’d close Guantanamo?
Why I have no faith in the MSM anymore and they could say rain was wet and I wouldn’t believe them
In Iraq ISIS claimed to have executed 1700 prisoners after seizing Mosul alone. OK, ISIS don’t get ‘good’ press from the BBC but where is the in-depth investigation of the money trail behind them? Who funded them? Who might buy oil from them?
Number of Jews in Iraq is estimated around 30. They are not safe. Number of Muslims in Israel is over 4.5 million. They are safe. They are not rioting. They are not fleeing.
Some evidence here.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/15/iraq-isis-arrest-jihadists-wealth-power
They have also looted a fortune from the banks in the towns they took. Now that we have a real threat to the stability of the Middle East there’s little likelihood of any western involvement.
Just one statement I would modify – namely that Hamas ‘crave being killed’. Their leadership do not crave being killed, as evidenced by their securely guarded, deep bolt-holes beneath hospitals and schools, and generally in Underground Gaza. However, they do crave death for those they control, including children on whom they strap explosives. A truly despicable and wicked organisation which deserves to be annihilated by any means available.
Of course. Just like the Al Qaeda leadership running things from hundreds of miles away, always expecting someone else to wear the suicide vests. Never leading by example.
Their leaders really care for the children – their children, who have been sent to their 5 star safe haven in Qatar.
Casualty figures are notoriously difficult to assess, especially when the side with the casualties has a habit of embellishing them. Add in the fact that most people have no idea about what number of casualties would arise from a bomb and the possibilities for propaganda are huge.
Take the bombing of Dresden for example. This is often portrayed as a war crime and the worst example of area bombing in WW2. However Dresden suffered around 4% casualties (assuming pop 650k and casualties of 25k). Yet 60% of the city was levelled. Incidently Dresden is 7th in the German tonnage received table and 3,900 tons (+200,000 incendiaries) were used to destroy the town – London was hit by 18,000 tons (+ 1.5 million incendiary bombs) during the Blitz killing approx 30,000 people.
So, if carpet bombing causes 4% casualties then the Gazan casualty figures given Hamas of less than 0.1% are surely light? Not much of a comfort to the families of those killed but that should be taken up with Hamas.
Dresden had bomb shelters (to shelter people from bombs) and air raid sirens. Likewise when entire streets in London were bombed out. Very few were killed, because most headed for shelter.
Hamas has bomb shelters to shelter the bombs and they leave their own population deliberately exposed.
… and still the casualties are light.
Those pesky Jooose can’t be trying hard enough.
Not an expert, but I was under the impression that, due to Nazi arrogance, Dresden’s shelter provision was extremely poor.
Whether it would have made a difference in the (unpredictable) firestorm, however, is debatable.
The firestorm killed far more people than the bombs, there were no sirens as it had never been bombed before, this is an eyewitness account:
“There were no warning sirens. We were completely surprised and rushed back down to the cellars of the hospital. But these quickly became hopelessly overcrowded with people who could no longer find shelter in their own burning buildings. The crush was unbearable, we were so tight you could not fall over.”
“Apart from the fire risk, it was becoming increasingly impossible to breath in the cellar because the air was being pulled out by the increasing strength of the blaze.”
“We could not stand up, we were on all fours, crawling. the wind was full of sparks and carrying bits of blazing furniture, debris and burning bits of bodies.”
“There were charred bodies everywhere.”
“The experience of the bombing was far worse than being on the Russian front, where I was a front-line machine gunner.”
Rudolph Eichner
one mans personal experience is very different from reality
The sirens had started sounding in Dresden at 21:51 (CET). Frederick Taylor writes that the Germans could see that a large enemy bomber formation—or what they called “ein dicker Hund” (lit: a fat dog, a “major thing”)—was approaching somewhere in the east. At 21:39, the Reich Air Defence Leadership issued an enemy aircraft warning for Dresden, although, at that point, it was thought Leipzig might be the target. At 21:59, the Local Air Raid Leadership confirmed that the bombers were in the area of Dresden-Pirna. Taylor writes the city was largely undefended; a night fighter force of ten Messerschmitts at Klotzsche airfield was scrambled, but it took them half an hour to get into an attack position. At 22:03, the Local Air Raid Leadership issued the first definitive warning: “Warning! Warning! Warning! The lead aircraft of the major enemy bomber forces have changed course and are now approaching the city area.”
Ten Messerschmitt Me 110 night fighters of Nachtjagdgeschwader 5 based at Dresden-Klotzsche airfield were deployed against the first wave of RAF bombers, but they were ineffective because of the British radar jamming operation. A further eighteen fighters from the same unit were held on the ground because of “bad fighting conditions”. Their pilots had the frustrating experience of watching the burning city in the distance while sitting in their cockpits awaiting orders to take off.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II#German_defensive_action
I’m not sure what your point is, this link is from probably the finest documentary ever made “The World At War” Its free from bias and has accounts from the then living on both sides, Wikipedia does not.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fe9_1275337124
The problem we have with people opining about the bombing of Dresden is the same as the people who opine about the nuclear bombing of Japan and the IDF bombing of Gaza.
The people who lost out, are the very same people who started the fight.
Does anybody for a moment think, that Nazis Germany or Imperial JApan would have had second thoughts about wiping London, Paris,Moscow, New York from the map. The same train of thought also applies to Hamas. As high as the death count in Gaza was (Let me point out I find 1 death 1 death too many) the simple fact remains, If Hamas had the chance, they would slit the throat of every last Jewish man,woman and child and they would celebrate the very fact. But the left refuse to see this fact and its something I picked up earlier on and posted. This was from some leftwing bitch posting on the Daily Mail regards the fact that there are 40,000 people stranded on an Iraqi mountain no food, no water and getting murdered by ISIS thugs:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2717935/Up-40-000-Iraqis-forced-choose-dying-thirst-slaughter-extremists-Refugees-stranded-mountain-surrounded-ISIS-waiting-kill-them.html
nothing; my point was just that the germans did have advance warning the raid was coming, im sorry we british had electronic counter measures so their night fighters were useless and and they couldnt shoot our planes down and kill our lads
And i also deeply regret germans survived. They were the enemy, every single german life was not worth 1 allied soldier
Although lefties like to make out the bombing of dresden was a war crime, i think Air marshall Harris’ words are appropriate
The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everybody else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, and half a hundred other places, they put that rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now, they are going to reap the whirlwind
“The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everybody else, and nobody was going to bomb them.”
That was my understanding, supported by the bombing of Guernica as early as 1937, surely an indication of things to come, and the development of the totally indiscriminate V1 and V2.
I did a similar exercise elsewhere using population density, and attack figures from WWII 1940 on London. We should be looking at around 200,000 dead in the Gaza strip, with 70 deaths per attack. But it’s 1700 dead and 0.58 deaths per attack.
One death is one too many. Nobody on either side should be dead. The inability of either side to dig themselves out of their virtual tunnels is extremely depressing.
Here we can only be in agreement on what should be.
Sadly reality intrudes on what does.
Which is where philosophy and reporting can prove tricky to try and rationalise at the same time.
The point is that Israel has supposedly been indiscriminate and disproportionate in their response. The maths simply does not back these claims up. I saw yesterday that satellite photos show less than 2% of the buildings in the Gaza strip have been hit by the Israelis.
And the mathematics proves that Israel has been very careful in TRYING to minimise the death toll, to avoid killing innocent civilians and proves conclusively that those who claim that Israel are trying to conduct genocide, are either lying or are complete idiots that do not know the meaning of the word genocide.
There is only one side in this conflict that actually wants genocide, and that is NOT Israel. Hamas wants Israel destroyed and every single Jew killed. How can any rational, right minded person support that?
I guess that is why lefty liberals support it.
There has been an interesting analysis of the casualty figures – with a substantial number in the 17 to 30 year old group – which is the normal military age. The IDF reckon they have killed 900 terrorists.
Probably about 150 to 200 Gaza children died ? – most of the deaths were disproportionately of young men.
150 Gaza children are reckoned to have died in the construction of the Hamas terror-tunnels. Where was the UN ?
Where are the liberal leftie’s boycotts of Gazan’s because of their exploitation of child labour?
Not sure but I don’t ever remember Hitler instructing German women and children to stand around military targets in the hopes of making the allies feel bad about attacking them. Just to put in perspective the Hitler / Hamas debate.
Leftys should be careful asking for Hitler’s return. The moment he gets in power, the first thing he will do is to remove Commies and Leftys – permanently. This he will do as Leftys are a prime threat .
After that he may go after Jews and Christians. Hitler admired Islam – a war like religion -whats not to like.
The Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseiniin of Jerusalem was an ally of Hitler, of course.
Another superb piece Ken .Well done
Thank you.
Newsnight interviewed three teenage ”Scots” about the Independence referendum vote, only one was an ethnic Scot, the other two was Nathan Epemolu and Raabiya Siddique, very Scottish names !!
Newsnight planned, organised and carried out this contrived item, but then what do you expect from the BBC ? a company that’s full of liberals and paedophiles.
Epemolu
That names got more vowels than consonants.
Today spoke to two previously undecided “Scots” this morning about the debate. One was indeed Scottish, the other actually from Spain.
What were the odds, eh?
Non-Muslim British mothers in Middle East: be warned- SHARIA rules.
Pamela Geller interprets an INBBC Asian Network report:-
“Non-Muslims under sharia: Losing your kids, Britons ‘liable to Sharia divorces’ in UAE ”
– See more at: http://pamelageller.com/2014/08/non-muslims-sharia-losing-kids-britons-liable-sharia-divorces-uae.html/#sthash.tazaAjC6.dpuf
You go there, you live by their rules. Which is why I wouldn’t go there.
But apparently I am an unreasonable racist if I expect the same of those who come here.
Excellent point, Roland. I’d never considered it this way and yet it’s blindly obvious.
In the end separationism might be the only answer. The West must isolate itself from the ME. That means total isolation. Minimal trade and diplomatic contact. No travel.
It will entail real hardship for the West. For the ME maybe the same. And many personal sadnesses.
But what is the alternative?
The spirit that is driving Isis has been a long time acoming. WE have only our military strength to contain it but we lack confidence in ourselves , our culture and our future.
Weakened by liberalism and relatavism and a constant drip drip of self criticism about our culture and our past .
A long time ago I was told that any culture that allows it’s unborn to be killed as ours does is dying. That in some way this affects it’s ability to renew and protect itself and it’s young.
I do not know but I do know our culture is in real trouble. Isis is young and driven by certainty and will. It is far more dangerous that we can conceive at the moment.
And our liberal Western relatavists turn on the only people that are prepared to defend themselves. The Israelis. Listen to their howls of rage directed against Israel and you wonder at their sanity and desire to see a future for their children- that is if they have any.
The Kurds too are in some way despised by these Western fools. What is wrong with them?
Maybe the West is coming to an end. Is this what these fools want?
It seems as if it is a game to them. Israel has shown in the last weeks that it is not playing games with it’s children’s future.
Would we had that spirit still here. Maybe we do but it is in hearts of ordinary people in the small towns and villages of old England. Not in the Metropolitan self hating liberals infecting London, the liberal professions and government.
Well said Dave s
“Weakened by liberalism and relatavism and a constant drip drip of self criticism about our culture and our past .”
Dave S, thank you. You have hit the nail on the head. We will only lose the coming conflict if we lose faith in our culture, our history and our principles.
Which is why the left will do anything and everything to undermine our culture, our history and our principles.
BBC denies any knowledge about “detector van” chase and collisions:
http://tv-licensing.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/tv-licensing-detector-van-collision-bbc.html
Makes you wonder what other secrets TV Licensing contractor Capita are keeping from their BBC bosses.
Shakespeare… Bill, your thoughts?
http://tradingaswdr.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/call-for-more-lawyers.html
As I wade through the latest 80+pp FoB inquiry transcript, I note that the DG & Trust appear to feel they are all doing very well on value, so that’s OK.
As an Englishmen who is working in Scotland my tolerance levels for the infantile economic illiteracy of the Nationalists is taking tis toll on my blood pressure levels. Last night’s debate was instructive because it shows us, yet again, the level of debate taking place up here and the mindset of those who might yet, god forbid, drag us off the precipice: how can anyone delude themselves with this ‘Freedom’ and Braveheart utopia crap when they know full well that they will NOT be part of any formal currency union; and even if they had the latter the BoE would still govern their finances and be the lenders of last resort. El Presidente Salmondo refused, and has done since day one, to tell us what his plan B for a currency will be. And yet the SNP drones and brainwashed zombies were hysterically applauding his every trite soundbite like the faithful at the sermon. I find it frightening that the BBC have been so shallow in their analysis of this bunch of inept Left-wing firebrands. An argument for Independence cannot stand up without a credible and workable financial model on which to base your economy. The Nationalists haven’t a clue but you wouldn’t know this from the BBC’s biased reporting.
I couldn’t agree more. The Beeb today reports the debate as having been an even affair when to any viewer with a brain cell could see that Salmond was easily the loser.
The bBBC continue their anti-British campaign.
bBBC: Scottish independence: Both sides claim TV debate victory
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28673046
Times: First round to Darling as Salmond comes unstuck
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/article4168097.ece
Telegraph: Alex Salmond loses first independence TV debate
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11015027/Alex-Salmond-loses-first-independence-TV-debate.html
Independent: First blood to Alistair Darling as he clashes over currency with Alex Salmond in televised Yes/No debate
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-independence-tv-debate-first-blood-to-alistair-darling-as-he-clashes-over-currency-with-alex-salmond-in-televised-yesno-debate-9650512.html
The nationalists lost the argument on day one when they thought that they wanted independence and to have their laws dictated by Brussels and their Currency dictated by the English.
That is NOT independence.
I enjoyed the knock about. I don’t mind passion in the argument and I thought Ponsonby, the STV chair, handled his role very well. Why does LBC and STV seem to be so less partial in political debates than the BBC?
The debate for me fairly reflected the mood in Scotland with minds mostly made up, a few hysterical nationalists, caution favouring the unionists, and most people not really agitated and sceptical of promises of milk and honey. Salmond is like Marmite.
Yep, I enjoyed it and agree with most of your points, except, I disagree with your thoughts on Ponsonby. I thought he was a little biased and heckled Darling more frequently and aggressively than he did Salmondo. He gave Salmond more time to sepak… but perhaps this was my perception.
Saw the debate last night and I really don’t see how anyone can take Salmon seriously- devoid of any substance and Darling made him look like a car salesman selling a dodgy car a few times. If the Scots are stupid enough to fall for his shop window politics then I saw good riddance to them although all the Scots that live and work around London aren’t as inbreed as the ones north of the border and can see what the power hungry fool Salmon is up to, but of course they aren’t allowed to vote!
…..”inbred”
I’m sorry for your predicament, went through the same thing myself 30-odd years ago. Scotland remains the only place in the world where I, as an Englishman (who still considers himself British, by the way) ever experienced racism. I had and have many Scottish colleagues, friends and acquaintances, none of whom bear any resemblance to Mr Salmond, thank God.
It does strike me, however, that this debate is more about finding a way to strip the UK of its nuclear deterrent.
Scotland is hard hard left socialist. Reality and actual circumstances don’t come into it. Vote yes and it will all work out. Somehow.
Anyone catch D Murray on, cut off without opportunity to reply … oops! I mean …. Newsnight?.
… Re Warsi propaganda event? why are you not surprised?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04d5t52/newsnight-05082014
6 mins.
B-stards Beneath Contempt are really pushing the abhorrent demonise Israel narrative.
While deliberately ignoring mass slaughter by muslims, on Christians, other minorities, and of course other muslims deemed not worthy,(more insane than insane?).
Isis, Syria, Iraq, etc etc
The BBC playing its part in promoting the appeal of extreme jihad to disintegrated British muslim youth. Does the BBC really so desperately want Mumbai (Bombay if you’re Indian) to happen in London?
Yes they do. They would love to have so many reporters and analysts reporting and postulating and pontificating on that sort of event.
I have a great deal of time for anything that Douglas Murray has to say and here’s a link that might interest you although it was on this site that I got it so you have probably heard it.;
http://ricochet.com/podcasts/hiding-arms/
Given the BBC’s tendency to stick up for the underdog (always provided that it is perceived by the BBC to be promoting a politically correct cause, as with Snowden), it is surely their instinctive reaction to side with with Hamas. In Beeb eyes Hamas are the heroes of some sort of David v Goliath conflict with big bad Israel.
Some inconveneient facts about Hamas, such as those stated elsewhere and in earlier posts here, must surely not be allowed to disturb the smug certainties of BBC Groupthink.
I hate it when the rocket attacks by Hamas are dismissed by the media esp. BBC. I say this to such journalists: stand in a field and let me fire some Qassam rockets at you. Then we’ll see how injure-free you are after ten minutes.
David Howowitz has commented : “We have scraped the bottom of the barrel of Western morality when it takes an Iranian official to observe……. that Hamas really ought to have let Gaza’s civilians share some space in its tunnels to shelter from the Israeli military strikes it was provoking with its rocket fire and tunnel attacks”
http://www.timesofisrael.com/top-iranian-criticizes-hamas-for-civilian-casualties/
BBC – read and weep. You have less morality than warped mullahs in Teheran.
And less ethics than Murdoch. When the “listening in to unsecured voicemails” scandal broke, Murdoch closed the news of the world.
When the on-going revelations of BBC sanctioned paedophile activity at the BBC keep coming out…. The BBC pretends that it has no responsibility whatsoever.
Close it down!
It is estimated that some 750 journalists were in Gaza during the 3 weeks when over 3000 rockets were fired at Israel civilian targets. The IDF plotted all the launch sites, and we know that many of them were in built-up areas effectively using human shields.
.But somehow only those “honest Indians” managed to witness and report that rockets were launched from near dwellings etc. All those BBC reporters there, plus many many more in Israel and back in London – and NONE of them were reporting any sightings of these war crimes.
Its not just bias – they all ought to be sacked for inefficiency.
Interestingly enough in the coverage the NDTV crew attempt to go to the rocket site after the launch but are warned against it by other unnamed journalists. How did those journalists know it was a launching site and how come they didn’t mention its proximity to apartments and hotels in their dispatches?
If you think about it, the world is upside down. It defies logic.
How can it be that Hamas – a terrorist organization, sworn to Israel’s destruction, using human shields, firing rockets at populated areas, squandering their resources on tunnels and bombs and rockets and death, violating international law – are the good guys, and Israel – trying to protect civilians, texting before bombing, dropping leaflets, knocking on the roof, trying to pinpoint terrorists hiding and firing from residential areas – are bad?
How did that happen?
How did Hamas gain the world’s sympathy? Why does the World/BBC ignore the thousands of rockets they shoot at Israel? Why does the world/BBC ignore the crimes they commit against their own people? How can it be – that in spite of the atrocities in Syria, and in spite of the horrors committed by ISIS, and I can go on – that Israel is the rogue state, despised in the United Nations, and hated on the streets of Europe?
Please explain if you can, because I am at a loss…
It’s the fear of offending the Muslim lobby, which includes wealthy beacons of tolerance and multiculturalism like Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
The sooner we come up with renewable energy and reduce our dependance on the Middle East and Russia…
Somehow I don’t think I’ll find many takers here for a green solution to removing Saudi influence.
Seek and you shall find.
Energy independence from Saudis sounds a plan.
Green solutions that deliver too.
Less keen on any that don’t look like they do this on any basis, from engineering to environmental. Especially those that take from the poor to subsidise the rich, such as FIT solar or Electric cars.
Some evidence here.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/15/iraq-isis-arrest-jihadists-wealth-power
They have also looted a fortune from the banks in the towns they took. Now that we have a real threat to the stability of the Middle East there’s little likelihood of any western involvement.
Unfortunately at the moment we don’t have a ‘green solution’ as wind turbines and solar power require back-up at all times from nuclear or fossil fuel-fired power stations – in case the wind ain’t a-blowin’ and the sun ain’t a-shinin’.
The left hate Israel.
No – I’ll abbreviate it.
The left hate.
Anti-semitism, pure and simple.
The curse of Western Christian civilisation for hundreds of years.
The international elite’s intended “Clash of Civilisations” requires a highly conditioned (brainwashed) public. They need the west’s advantage against primitive Islamics to be diminished to the point where we will offer ourselves up to the Islamic monsters to behead us. in order to trigger those who are not so liberally stupid, to react and create the backlash.
I consider no man as my enemy, and will not be dictated to who I should despise. That said, I WILL defend myself and my loved ones, should the need arise. And yes, I do know how to do that with lethal efficiency. I pray that I never need to use my skills, but I will be very grateful for them should the need arise.
Is the Gaza War another skirmish between Israel and the Arabs of Gaza, or are there regional factors at play here?
In the video http://tinyurl.com/oaok45j,
Arutz Sheva contributor Mark Langfan explains in the detail the rocket threat from Gaza, and claims that the conflict is a proxy war between two opposing de facto alliances of nations.
That is a frightening display of what Hamas – supplied by Iran – is wanting to do to Israel.
This morning we had Ed “Windmill” Davey on, describing Israel’s response as disproportionate .
What I wonder would Davey or any of the other whiners suggest then as being proportionate The question no one asks, why not I wonder.
“Israel’s Morally Impossible Self-Defense”
[Excerpt]:-
“The fact that Hamas chose to challenge an adversary with disproportionate military capability indicates that the decision was either irrational or some type of collective death wish; in either instance, the Palestinians, and the world at large, cannot now expect Israel not to use every means possible to protect its citizenry from both immediate and future assaults by genocidal terrorists who wish to murder Jews and destroy the Jewish state. No nation is required to enter a suicide pact with its enemies, and no nation can be expected to wait until enemy rockets successfully reach an apartment building or school, forcing Israel to play, in the words of Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz, ‘Russian roulette with its children’.”
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/richard-l-cravatts/israels-morally-impossible-self-defense/
I take issue with condemning the disproportionate use of force. If you have a military objective to be achieved quickly, with minimal loss of life, then you would require the ability to employ disproportionate force as an essential element of military planning. Otherwise the other side will be able to fight you to a standstill and the loss of life on both sides would be horrific.
Israel’s capability to use disproportionate force is a very good thing.
More ‘Diversity’ in Britain-
“UK Muslim who called 9/11 jihad bombings a ‘blessing’ had library of jihad terror manuals.”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/uk-muslim-who-called-911-jihad-bombings-a-blessing-had-library-of-jihad-terror-manuals#comments
Several foreign journalists have claimed to have been harassed by Hamas during Operation Protective Edge, the Government Press Office (GPO) announced Wednesday.
“Upon the conclusion of the operation, the GPO accumulated testimony by foreign journalists regarding harassment by Hamas activists regarding the carrying out of their assignments,” the GPO stated.
“Journalists said that during their coverage of the fighting they received threats and – in several cases – were the victims of violence that included destruction of their equipment because they had documented criminal activity by Hamas such as the launching of rockets from the heart of civilian areas.”
According to the GPO statement, 705 foreign journalists from over 42 countries have been covering the conflict since it began on July 8. It did not specify how many of those journalists filed the complaints.
Rumors of Hamas suppressing foreign journalists from reporting on their use of human shields in Gaza – or on their inclusion of Hamas terrorists in the number of “civilian casualties” there – have persisted since the conflict broke.
However, at least one journalist confirmed this harassment policy last week, after safely returning home from reporting on the clashes.
Italian journalist Gabriele Barbati noted he was safe from “Hamas retaliation” after he returned home to Italy, tweeting that a misfired rocket – not Israel – was behind ten reported deaths in the Shati refugee camp.
Other incidents of suppressed reporting have surfaced as well. Earlier in the fighting, Wall Street Journal reported Nick Casey tweeted evidence – and veiled criticism – over Hamas’s leadership’s use of Shifa Hospital in Gaza as a command center, shedding more light on the group’s use of human shields.
Hamas reacted furiously, and a Hamas-affiliated twitter account blacklisted him as a journalist “who lies for Israel” – a potentially deadly accusation for anyone in Gaza, let alone a foreigner. Shortly afterwards, Casey promptly removed the tweet.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183788
yep! … and sadly this scenario is old news
“A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on”
But our national broadcaster, the likes of Ch4, and those in government know this glaringly obvious fact, only too well … especially those in No10. who are also cowards, who have sold their soul for the muslim “dollar”
I should have added to my previous post that the video exposes the lethal power and the range of the updated Hamas Rocket arsenal, who supplied etc. Something the BBC should have reported?
Exactly. The BBC has a duty to explain this stuff to its audience – instead it deliberately hides it.
From the last couple of days, and the reports keep coming in …
“Russian reporter thrown out of Gaza, by Hamas”
“Journalists threatened by Hamas for reporting use of human shields”
“Indian news team witnesses Hamas building rocket silo next to hotel”
“France 24 reporter finds Hamas rocket launcher in residential area next to UN building”
“Sunday’s Gaza school attack now appears to have been staged”
“Captured Hamas combat manual explains benefits of human shields”
“Hamas calls for ’3 day uprising’ during ceasefire”
but in ” Al BBC” land? ……… oblivious
“Cameron faces fresh Gaza pressure”
“Cameron must push Israel, say MPs ”
“Warsi quits as minister over Gaza ”
“Response to Lady Warsi’ s resignation”
“Baroness Warsi’s replacement is announced”
“Gaza: Israeli and Palestinian press see truce ‘victory’
In the Beebot Bubble eh!, … my issue is its Ch4, or MSM,
or the shills and cowards in No10
‘my issue is its Ch4’
If I amy be allowed a piggyback OT.
Just read my evening ‘Snowmail’.
I think Ch 4 has truly lost what little plot it had, and certainly around this.
They are still going large on child suffering in Gaza, focussing on just one case.
Horrible, tragic and a bunch of other emoting stuff to be sure.
But it’s pretty clear now to any wedded to old news it’s also unnecessary and clearly facilitated by a bunch of old men with people called Krishan on speed dial, ensuring there will be a ready supply of Niemas to satisfy the tunnel-vision media maw of the calibre of Channel 4 and similar MSM lightweights.
They really need to figure out what the hell they are perpetuating.
This afternoon’s “Media Show” had a piece on John Snow’s great emote. They decided it was OK because unbiased reporting is so old fashioned, and it didn’t go out during a news broadcast.
The piece also managed a passing dig at Fox News.
They have no idea how all this sounds to those of us in the real world.
They have a phrase for it don`t they?
The “journalism of attachment”.
Started with Pilger and his like round the time of Vietnam-and it`s all we see these days.
What else do lefty Oxbridge prep school types who went private do, with those guilty consciences of theirs…but blame the Jew, the white van bloke with matching skin.
And married as well-sick bay for Jon or Sarah, please!
I despise these creeps-no courage to fight, no willingness to get elected…just the self-righteous and virtuous entitlement and expense-claimed wristband or cycle clips!
Hamas are happy to let them hawk their moralities around the funky areas of Gaza or Bradford…as long as they`re back in Islington for muffins and haloumi.
No-not a clue why we let ourselves be forced to pay for them all-time to clear them out…bit of nation building in Gaza or Kurdistan maybe?
And good old Orla Guerin was more than happy to show those boys running along a Gaza beach before they were killed.
Happened on July 16th…but here`s an action replay, lest you think that this Israeli ceasefire is somehow “the right thing to do”.
They`re Jews-so they`re wrong.
Despicable and unnecessary-just more Jew baiting at cost to the nations taxpayers….but no cost to themselves as long as the Jews get the threats.
F888 Off Guerin-Gareth Pierce chic, without the Legal aid cushionings…
Just shows how the biggest problem with the left is they base their views on the emotional side of things and not the reality. Like people do as children and the media studies lot in the MSM have never grown up as they have haven’t held down a real job working with actual real people
Has John Snow done a tear streaked report condemnig Hamas over the 150 plus children who died constructing those terror tunnels? Or for any of the Palestinian children blown to pieces by the explosives vests they were forced to wear by other Palestinians, so that they could deliberately target and kill innocent civilians?
Thought not!
Not much joined-up thinking at the BBC is there?
I refer to yesterdays Today Sports monkey at 8.30 or so.
He was speaking to Premier league head Rick Parry.
Apparently, Man United beat Real Madrid and Liverpool in the States the other day-so this surely means that the Premier League should be playing a few games over there.during the season. The Yanks would surely bite!
Parry tells the Beeb oaf that it`s illegal, would put the budding NSL out of business-and would break the links between clubs and fans, such as they are.
But our Beeboid wan`t listening-didn`t like the answers-presumably he`d like to follow footy in Florida during February, rather that risk Villa Park.
As for the carbon footprint and airmiles-not a peep.
The Great God Sport is worth it….and if we can assists a few grannies in dying, then their airmiles to see the grandkids could be used to save the Villa/ Norwich El Classico from the green gremlins like me.
In fact, Gaia loves her footy and wimmins sports…and sees those airmiles as cheap at twice the price…no Beeboid would DARE to link footy with environmental “naqba”!
Israel has already said it is willing – without conditions – to extend the 72-hour truce.
Hamas appears to be demanding stuff before it will extend the truce.
But I bet the BBC won’t report this. Just as they failed to report properly all the Hamas obstinacy and refusals of earlier ceasefires. Including the first one, proposed by Egypt, which Israel was willing to accept. 1900 deaths later ……
In WW2 the BBC was trusted for its war reporting.
Now it is untrustworthy. But we are forced to pay for uts lies and omissions.
The BBCWatch website has some 40 pages of detailed forensic criticism of BBC reports over the past month. 40 pages ! Chapter and verse, chapter and verse, chapter and verse ……
israel has no doubt achieved it military and politacal aims on its own terms in decapitating the the hamas terrorist war machine and in fact have taught the terrorists a lesson that if you carry on firing your scud missiles and grad rockets at there civilians there will be a high price to pay.also,israel and the idf know full well that the child killing,woman killing isis terrorist vermin in iraq will think twice about attacking israel now because they know they will be crushed like a bug if isis decide to mess with them,
“Hamas appears to be demanding stuff before it will extend the truce”
…. demand??
hmmm looks like lock n load time for the IDF
Now that there is a lull in Hamas’ terror tactics and journalists are being allowed to leave Gaza, more and more film crews and reporters are coming forward to tell it as it really was.
So exactly where were the myriad of BBC “journalists” who failed to see what was really going on? Probably hanging around Bowen’s bum boy Gunness of UNWRA listening to his propaganda.
Who can forget that very brave lady, the inestimable Alex Crawford of Sky News in Libya, right at the front, in the vanguard of the liberation of Tripoli, always in the thick of it.
No wonder Sky News always gets the awards.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Crawford
And the BBC, trailing in her wake, leading from the rear, making hand wringing excuses as to why they weren’t there. Excuse for this, excuse for that. The sand was too deep. It was too hot. More likely a lack of moral fibre. (for those not old enough to know the term – cowardice)
US armed forces have a term for people lingering at the back. They are called REMFs. Translated: Rear Echelon Mother F*****s. Seems somehow apt for the BBC.
If there is one suggestion I could make to the IDF, who I hold in the highest regard, why not equip your troops with head cams to record exactly what is going on in front of you.
Oh, and before the mincers turn up here shouting the odds, I was in the armed forces, I did a stint with a UN peace keeping force in 69, and when I left became a civvie “contractor” in Dhofar in the early 70s. So shove it up your arse.
I think BBC Journalists are regarded as useful idiots who can easily be manipulated to lie, that’s how seminars are useful to those in authority, giving them the ability to manipulate journalists at the BBC, a system of media control brought in by Lord Hall, that is unique to the BBC.
Just seen on BBC News channel. UNWRA tossing displaced Gazans out of their schools (bit premature, maybe ?…. Hamas has apparently not yet agreed to extension of current cease-fire). I bet these Gazan civilians are really glad that Hamas stored all that cement and building materials for just such an occasion, so that the re-build of Gaza can be started forthwith, with no supply problems…..oh, wait a minute…..
Now the Gazans to be thrown out of the UNWRA schools have been told by Hamas that places of shelter are available for them at Gaza State schools instead. Gazans thrown out of UNWRA schools now complaining that they don’t want to go to the Gaza State schools, because they are positioned right next to the Israeli border…. and they are ‘not safe for their children’.
Does the BBC go the extra mile and ask the simple question as to why why these schools are built there in an apparently ‘unsafe’ location? Nope, don’t be daft !
Couldn’t be that they are designed to be where they are in order to provide camera fodder by potentially becoming the first casualties in any conflict ? Couldn’t be that they are used to shield Hamas terrorists ? Couldn’t be that they are used as a base to fire rockets as far as they can go into Israel ? Couldn’t be that they are used to stockpile weapons ? Couldn’t be that they are the entrances to tunnels as close as possible to the Israeli border ? Couldn’t be that they are being used as a shield for any Hamas activity ?
Well, we’ll probably never know, because the BBC didn’t bother to look behind the ‘pain’ of people having to move to these schools, emoting at an express rate to cover any lack of inquisitiveness.
BBC reporters ? I see no BBC reporters……to plagiarise a recent Jeremy Bowen laugh-athon comment about Hamas terrorists.
Built where Hamas’s rockets can “fall short” and create lots of pictures of dead Palestinian children for the liberal idiots to weep over as they decry the Israeli butchery.
I can’t be bothered anymore with all the Israel/Palestine crap anymore on this site. It’s meant to be about bias and if you heard smug face Campbell this morning you should all be going crazy about his obvious decision to neglect his duty to be impartial. Focus on that please and run him out of town.
Say a bit more about Campbell. Who he?
Laurie Taylor, Thinking Allowed, continues to display the arrogance of his kind in his review of comments from the audience on his previous programme, that tried to introduce race into gardening [12:00 mins.].
Of course they had no intention of being controversial in drawing parallels between horticulturists worried about alien species taking over and the rise of ‘right-wing’ groups.
The fact is that they were falling over themselves mocking those that would stop the importation of alien people AND plants. Both groups were clearly just plain wrong.
Cultures, like eco-systems, are fragile. Sure the odd ‘exotic’ in Kew does no harm nor the odd Muslim in Islington but no sane person that values our eco-system and culture would advocate letting either type of alien run wild.
There is a lot of racism about when it comes to Japanese knotweed. I have even seen some of this racism on the BBC.
Taylor’s insufferable arrogance is well summed-up by the very title of his programme – as if ‘thinking’ was the sole prerogative of his little show!
Prof Buczacki wrote a peppery rebuttal of the juvenile Dr Pilcher, who spouted this garbage on Taylor’s programme, in the Mail yesterday.
Mind you, Stefan Buczacki is merely a highly respected scientist and a renowned gardener. Who cares what he thinks when we can hear the thoughts of lofty intellects like the ‘sociologists’ Taylor and Pilcher?
Stefan Buczacki here.
I caught about five seconds of Thinking Aloud, when I turned on the car radio. The subject was gay something or other, what a change!
Over the past few days BBC News @6&10 pm (I watch little these days) has had items on Gay this and that, in African countries, in China, in India plus all the gay adoption, lesbian insemination on the NHS etc. all ahead of world and British news that actually affect the vast majority of us.
So imagine my delight that on Monday next: ‘Just a minute” is back on R4.
Nicholas Parsons
”And your first subject is Gay everything, can any programme on the BBC, go more than one minute (without deviation ..naughty naughty not what you are thinking!, without hesitation and repetition repetition repetition repetition) before it turns the whole programme over to Gay everything?
Substitute all the usual suspects, sorry subjects in the following rounds
The Thinking Aloud program was a classic. Now I know I’m racist for worrying about my roses.
But there was worse in the original program. Apparently if you watch Scandinavian Crime series you are also driven by some deep desire for a Nordic past so these are also racist. And since a third of all books sold are crime, one can only guess at what this says about the average reader.
If anyone has watched the Scandi thrillers you’ll know they feature lots of nonwhites in roles from killer to victim. Hardly supporting any white only nonsense.
I’m out to my garden now to do a bit of raking no doubt singing the Horst Wessel to my tulips before sitting down to a good Jo Nesbo racist crime novel.
It IS Westminster Uni, we`re talking of here are we not?
One big disability scooter in need of Lauries Blue Badge is that low watt attempt at “Higher Education”…and always within a spin to the Green Rooms or Committee Rooms as well.
Oops.
The BBC (in the form of Labour’s Newsnight) have taken fright at the prospect of Boris joining the campaign trail. So the rubbishing of Boris begins:
– Johnson has skeletons that have already escaped the closet
– (He’s only popular because) ‘Few people actually know his views’
-Will people like Boris given his mixed performance in London (which has not been scrutinised)?
– Reminded us that he had to apologise to the people of Liverpool
– Replayed Eddie Mair’s ‘Nasty piece of work’ jibe
– Boris doesn’t know the cost of a pint of milk
– ‘He’s a (potential) joke Prime Minister’ – would we want him facing down Putin?
– ‘He’s not up to it’
– ‘He slightly annoys senior Tories’
-‘It’s not yet clear he’s got what it takes’
-‘Characteristically clownish’
And then Toynbee appears.
‘Frit’, I reckon. The Lefties shout loudest when their implied right to rule or in truth, control, is threatened. They shouted when the Tories wanted a clear out of the NHS, when they removed the QUANGO Queen, Morgan from Ofsted. They squealed when Gove wanted to sort out Education. They kicked off when the Government questioned the continuation of the licence fee.
The BBC’s unbalanced piece on Johnson shows just how determined they and the left, are to derail the Tories.
No longer is there any pretence of impartiality.
Funny Labour party tweeters has been accusing the BBC in bias in the amount of coverage they gave his announcement. No amount of muck raking hurts Boris. Like Wellington he’s discovered that publish and be damned doesn’t have the slightest impact.
Boris of course backed Warsi:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/08/disproportionate-ugly-and-tragic-boris-johnson-gaza-eclipses-pm
He also has called for illegal immigrants to be given amnesty
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10154389/Boris-Johnson-backs-call-for-one-off-amnesty-for-illegal-immigrants.html
He is a far more more complex character than you think.
Not really bias so apologies in advance.
Just been watching Newsnight presented by James O’Brien.
How utterly shite is he? I thought Peston was bad but my God. Total shit.
Katz and his mob must be deliberately trying to shed the tens of viewers they have remaining (I only tune in occasionally I swear. When I really want to darken my mood).
Surprised no one has posted a ‘Boris’ post.
As I see it Boris is a gift to the BBC. A known liar, a man who can’t help but lie, and isn’t very good at it and is easily caught out.
In addition it’s obvious to anyone with half a brain to see why he’s seeking election just 9 months before a general election – he doesn’t think Cameron is going to win and he fancies himself as PM.
God Forbid !
I still remember him with his trousers in flame telling the media that Lee Rigbys murder had nothing to do with Islam !
My prediction, is that the BBC will use Boris to spread dissent in Tory ranks, making Cameron look weak and the party divided. Boris will come out with his usual lies that Cameron will carry on until 2030 or some such lie, and then carry on lying that he has no such ambitions.
Makes you wonder why the British people carry on voting for people who you wouldn’t want to even work with let alone call a friend !
With the Warsi resignation, is it coming to a ‘Cameron v Al Beeb’ head to head?
Has he got the bottle to pull the plug before they ruin it for the Tories ?
Bottle? He’s clueless, gutless.
Tonight’s PM programme has a report from Germany [42:30] on the rise of anti-semitism.
We hear about the protesters waving their pro-Palestine banners and the need to educate today’s Germans about their past and modern Israel.
Could this be the re-awakening of the Nazis? Shades of blonde-haired Hitlerjugend taking over the streets.
Then just at the end of the piece the truth pops out – “…to allow ‘German’ Muslims to express their political opinions about Israel…”
Wouldn’t it have been more honest to have headlined this report : “Muslims in Germany chant their hatred of Jews openly”? At lot easier just to slander an entire nation than focus in on the real Muslim elephantum in cubiculo.
Not an issue for INBBC to take on?:-
“Feminism fails to confront rise of Sharia law.
Carol Hunt asks why our political feminists ignore the suffering of their sisters under barbaric legislation?”
– See more at: http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/carol-hunt/feminism-fails-to-confront-rise-of-sharia-law-30479166.html#sthash.UaEZPc30.dpuf
A chilling article about Hamas and what it really means. The truth about Hamas that the BBC refuses to tell its audience :
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/what-would-hamas-do-if-it-could-do-whatever-it-wanted/375545/
Ex-BBC useful idiot Chris Gunness has tweeted :
“Nothing symbolized more the horror that was unleashed on the people of Gaza than the repeated shelling of UN facilities harbouring civilians”
This from the man who handed rockets found on UN premises back to Hamas.
I believe there were 3 or 4 occasions where UN sites were hit. In at least one of them it was damage and death by Hamas rockets falling short.. On the other occasions it appears that Hamas wre fring from insode or next to the UN sites.
How many YN sites are there in Gaza ? There must be DOZENS of UN sites. That shows how scrupulous the IDF tried to be – in spite of Hamas war-crime tactics.
During a programme about Aberdeen, the change in the area was discussed, especially the decline of the fishing industry. The narrative just described the decline in fishing is that it had problems. Was the EUSSR mentioned, ah no the bBC take bribe from the EU for positive promotion. So they don’t tell a lie they just leave out the truth.
A huge piece about Moeen Ali the England Cricketer, and how he'[s a really nice guy/
This is someone who spends every moment not playing / training studying the Qur’an. His religion is bigged up into something it isn’t, and an opportunity to lecture listeners on how wonderful Islam is, is not passed up.
Appalling bias again.
I heard this, and had to switch the wireless off. My first and only thoughts were: a). He needs a shave, and b). does he stop in the middle of a match and prostrate himself in the direction of Mecca every so often?
Whatever, but he’s not worth his place in the side for lack of ability alone.
Similar shades of Warsi and tokenism, already proved to be somewhat of a liability and now almost impossible to drop from the side without repercussion …
This has nothing to do with BBC bias.
The guy is religious. If he was Christian would you complain?
He hasn’t done badly in his first season with England. I’ll see him at the Oval shortly so I’ll have a better idea of his qualities. Who would you replace him with?
No-one plays for England who is a token player. The stakes are too high.
I’m not complaining as I haven’t watched cricket in years due to the authorities greed and the BBC’s ineptitude to bid for one of our national sports, only the sport will suffer in the end.
Just remember he’s playing for England, which still is a Christian country and as Thoughtful points out the BBC see his arrival in the England team more about his religion, that’s where the bias comes in.
As you say you don’t follow cricket. There have been muslim players in the English team for years. Nasser Hussein for starters!
No bias whatsover in profiling a new player. Fan’s expect it so they know who they are.
So reading the bBC news, you read, that Israel has offered to extend the truce but Hamas has yet to agree. Where in fact Hamas are actually saying this:
And this:
I wonder why the Think of the Children” reporting bBC, hasn’t reported the above.
Thursday already and with another week of watching virtually no BBc, it’s BBc breakfast again, this morning running a story about increased anti Jewish incidents. Well there’s a surprise with the media campaign against Israel. Pseudo charity Oxfam get some free publicity to advertise their work in Gaza and to round off North West gives a classically inaccurate weather forecast “mainly dry” glancing out the window reveals the rain bouncing off the patio.
Growing Muslim population, growing anti-Semitic violence?, hmmm
percentage of violence of Islamic derivation?
Here in the UK? …
France, Germany, Holland, and Belgium? … any idea s, any clue? any link?
How about expedientially growing terrorist threat?
whats the link?????
Bit late with this, and apologies if it’s been posted elsewhere, but a snippet on the R4 news yesterday morning informed us that Rupert Murdoch’s bid to ‘seize control’ of Time Warner had failed.
Note, not ‘takeover bid’ but seize control.
The power of words, eh?
But what else would you expect from the insidious BBC.
In the meantime, the BBC’s own bid to seize control of local news output across Britain did not go through anything like as democratic as a shareholders’ vote. In fact, it didn’t go through any democratic process at all….
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/3269141/BBCs-local-news-plans-threaten-regional-newspapers.html
As I continue to wade through the transcripts of the Future of the BBC inquiry, I must confess to some disquiet with the clear intention of the BBC to seize control of the means of securing its unique funding such that no one has a choice but to pay no matter what, along with even greater lack of accountability.
A Hamas senior official says Islamist group will renew attacks on Friday morning ….Must feel so smug, as the appeal is advertised on the BBC, this morning that …
this time, is to be aired? for the Hamas rebuilding programme
… oops apologies … silly me, I mean Gaza “humanitarian” Hamas rebuilding programme ……. oops, appeal.
Wilful Ignorance of reality, deliberate obfuscation of the facts to the public, shameful overt unwarranted bias, by the BBC, by Ch4, by the MSM, by the incompetent liars in No10.
By preventing the IDF from truly finishing the job required
the lack of political stoicism, and lily livered cowardice …
will only ensure that the “groundhog day” in Gaza will continue.
So called “Palestinian” people are suffering, no doubt,
from an insane terror outfit, that they themselves put into power … with an insane agenda, rooted in an insane ideology Islam … as short sighted governments prepare £100, 000s in aid to flood Gaza … and
Hamas issues demands??, and why not eh! they ll ultimately control the purse strings, the propaganda.
The more money, the faster it goes, the earlier Hamas will be fully in effect.
Well done in getting off the blocks BBC!
No sooner has the concrete dust settled after the Israelis blew up the terror tunnels of Hamas,than Sarah Monty and her old pals at the DEC are drumming up appeals to go out on the telly for those poor Gazans.
Not the hungry, poor and maimed though…all Allahs will,and what money shots do THEY give, unless in the process of dying or being placed back into schools, once killed.
No-DEC want your money for more concrete, more tunnels, more ordnance, more kevlar-and to pay more fearless spokesmen from Hamas as they lounge by the pool in Beirut or Doha with BBC live feeds.
Apparently the Israelis have ruined all those archaeological digs that they were doing-after all, Muslims gave us all the maths and historical methods to do it originally.
So-if you send your money to Galloway Wing of Bradford Polys Archaeological Appeal-Hams can continue their research into alternatives to fracking.
The Gaza shore needs respite from Climate Change naqba as well, doncha know?
Give them nothing-Orla Guerin was showing me that Gazans were pigging out on ice creams yesterday-obesity alert Orla!
Also-their markets seem awful stuffed with nice looking fruit and veg whenever a BBC rep looks pained and concerned about the whole situation…they`re better off that us what with that healthy Mediterranean diet.
Israel has just removed the tunnels and ensured that Hamas can`t pay their bribes and baksheesh to Riyadh-so only the BBC and DEC would get the begging bowl out to shaft Israel yet again.
Maybe Israel could drop cement bags onto Hams HQ/BBC Salaam Hotels, by way of “humanitarian efforts”…plenty sand , bit of spit and they`re on their way!
R4 was at it (again) this morning. Discussing some trivial app (or somesuch) to whom did they turn for expert advice? Why, the technology editor of the Huffington Post!
The HP? A trivial vanity project created and written by far Left activists and with no more credibility than Socialist Worker.
Now, The Register one might understand but the only possible reason for using HP as a source is to hand it some it bogus authority and give it a leg-up with the free publicity.
And that is the kind of thing the BBC does, day in, day out – all in ‘the cause’
Just a thought: do you think that Baroness Warsi might be in with a chance to be the next Chairwoman of the BBC Trust? It’s a dream appointment for the political class and might compensate for Cameron’s
support for the Jewish SSequivocation over Gaza.As reporters begin returning home from Gaza, we are seeing the truth finally beginning to filter out. Yesterday we saw reports from France 24 and NDTVshowing rockets being launched near UN facilities. (Does anyone actually believe that UN staffers couldn’t see from their windows the rocket launchpad pictured in France 24′s account?) The New York Times, also yesterday, tried to defend itself fromJTA’s criticism of its failure to show images of Hamas fighters. The statements now published in one of the most anti-Israel mainstream publications in the US, however, are only further evidence of what the IDF and Israel’s supporters have been saying all along.
Let’s take a close look. Tyler Hicks, the New York Times photographer, begins by telling us that Hamas fighters are hiding in civilian areas, embedded within the civilian population and firing rockets from residential neighbourhoods:
I was stationed in Gaza, and covered the Palestinian side of the war where you saw most of the casualties. One of the reasons for that is because the Hamas fighters are living among the civilian population. . . . This is a situation where the fighters fire rockets from all over the Gaza Strip, from neighbourhoods to cemeteries, from parking lots, from any number of places.
And no, the reason they do this is not because “Gaza is pretty small.” Hicks next tells us that the fighters seek safety at the expense of the civilian population: Hamas fighters are not able to expose themselves. If they were to even step a foot on the street they would be spotted by an Israeli drone and immediately blown up. We don’t see those fighters. They are operating out of buildings and homes and at night.
Leaving aside the entirely speculative nature of the statement that Israeli drones would blow up Hamas fighters, and assuming it to be true, Hicks confirms exactly what the IDF has asserted — that Hamas exposes its civilians to danger so that its fighters may remain safe.
Finally, Hicks confirms that, asIsraellycool has been saying since the first casualty numbers were released, the ratio of civilian to military casualties put forward by the Gaza Health Ministry and by the UN appears to be completely invented. Hicks tells us that:
There are funerals, there are people being rushed to the hospital, but you can’t differentiate the fighters from the civilians. They are not wearing uniforms. If there is someone coming into the hospital injured, you can’t tell if that’s just a shopkeeper or if this is someone who just fired a rocket towards Israel. It’s impossible to know who’s who.
If it’s impossible to know who’s who, then there is no basis for the civilian casualty figures that the media, including the New York Times, have been repeating as gospel.
Just as the IDF has told us, then, the New York Times now confirms both that the number of civilian casualties in Gaza is most likely unsubstantiated, and that those civilian casualties that have occurred, tragic to be sure, have been caused by Hamas.
Now, will someone please, using small words and speaking slowly, explain this to the BBC, Guardian etc etc..
“Now, will someone please, using small words and speaking slowly, explain this to the BBC, Guardian etc etc.”
I think they – along with Peter Oborne in the Telegraph – already know. However, admitting it would destroy them. After all, it might mean that their friends in the Islamic world (both here and there) aren’t as nice and peaceful as they wish to believe.
I read Oborne with astonishment -the man is a reed in the wind, desperately trying to lean in whichever direction he feels will get him more column inches.
Btw guys – please can you move the report comment tag over a bit – using this site on a tablet is likely to result in accidental reporting! please ignore
France 24 report showing rocket launcher next to hotel where ‘most journalists stay. Children are playing in the area and there is a UN-flagged building in the background.
I wonder which hotel the BBC stay at? Probably they are embedded in the Hamas bunker with Jon Snow.
And of course the BBC knew all this but didn’t report it.Balen report anyone.
The BBC are so pro-Minority…. Out of hundreds of thousands of Scottish people residing in England, they manage to find a handful of ungrateful Bravehearts:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27655496