‘Although you may tolerate Islam, Islam might not tolerate you.’
Yesterday Nicky Campbell asked ‘Would you support an amnesty for Jihadists?’
This was the day after David Cameron denounced such people as ‘enemies of the UK’ and repeated his intention to tackle not just violent Islamists but those who support such Islamists.
Last month he told us that…
“the root cause of this threat to our security is clear: it is a poisonous ideology of Islamic extremism that is condemned by all states.”
A shame then that Campbell’s guest speaker to guide our thoughts on whether extremist Islamists should be welcomed back and treated as ‘vicitims’ or not was one Asim Qureshi, Research Director at CAGE whom Campbell described as a ‘former extremist’.
You could perhaps refrain from using the ‘former’ part of that description.
Here he is speaking on behalf of Cage:
“We’ve been a bit politically naive,” he said. “We haven’t questioned some of the underlying assumptions about who Muslims are and what they believe in.”
PREVENT strikes at the heart of the transnational identity that Muslims have, and confuses or shrouds the core principles of Islam which offer genuine alternatives to an aggressive global neo-liberal system.
Note that ‘transnational identity that Muslims have’….in plain language that means Muslims owe no loyalty to the country they live in, their loyalty is to Islam….and Islam that ‘offers a genuine alternative to…..?’ well, to Western democracy.
Qureshi speaks the same language as the ‘extremists’ of ISIS when it comes to Islam and its values.
Here he openly supports the idea of the Caliphate, Shariah and Jihad…those ‘conservative Muslim values’:
The concepts of jihad, shariah and khilafah are not the exclusive possession of ISIS but core Islamic doctrines subscribed to by almost one third’s of the world’s population. It is telling that the government’s treatment of ISIS is similar to its treatment of Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hizb-ut Tahrir, and the Taliban, despite the enormous differences of belief and methodology between the groups.
Witch-hunts such as the Trojan Horse hoax and the mass hysteria over issues of the niqab, halal food and conservative Muslim values demonstrate that the criminalisation is spreading beyond Middle Eastern politics.
Join CAGE at this series of events around the country to unite the Muslim communities against this criminalisation of our faith, our beliefs, our mosques and organisations, and our leaders.
No surprise that back in June the Muslim Council of Britain, instigators of the infamous Islamist ‘Trojan Horse’ plot, should have said that Muslims could not be school governors if ‘conservative Muslim’ beliefs were deemed incompatible with British values.
The MCB now seeks to prevent action being taken against radicals:
Muslim Council of Britain says constant talk of legislation and monitoring is leading marginalised Muslims towards radicalism
“They need to be talking to us and others to understand what it is that’s leading these boys down this route,” Khan told the Guardian. “Part of the problem is the constant talk of legislation, harassment and monitoring, stripping people of their passports. This is what’s leading young people towards radicalism.”
The last thing the government needs is to be talking to, and taking advice from, a extremist group like the MCB….despite the MCB’s claim that ‘They would love to help rather than obstruct.”
Similarly the last thing the BBC should be doing is bringing on a man whose group supports the ‘extremist’ ideology and presenting him as a ‘moderate, reformed Muslim extremist’.
Has Campbell learned nothing from his mistaken love affair with Mo Ansar?
Harry’s Place reminds us of Ansar’s politics:
…..it seems Mo’s ‘extensive experience in countering extremism‘ involves promoting and defending the work and goals of what every right-minded person regards as an extremist organisation…..Mo’s twitter feed of full of links to and endorsements of leading extremist groups and individuals. And therein lies the real tragedy. British Muslims have been let down again and again by self-styled leaders who abuse their position to espouse a regressive and reactionary agenda. In the case of Mo, actively promoting the work and ideas of an organisation that gave birth to Anjem Choudary, Omar Bakri and a whole host of other extremists that have inspired many terror attacks in the UK.
The same Ansar who predicts the takeover of the West by Muslims….
The BBC, in promoting the views of Asim Qureshi, is providing a platform for the extremists, if that is, we are defining ‘extremists’ as those who wish to impose ‘conservative Muslim Values’ upon the world rather than limiting the label to those who are violent.
From what Qureshi says about Jihad, the Caliphate and Sharia it is quite clear he supports such conservative Muslim beliefs. It would have taken the BBC 10 minutes to check his beliefs, he doesn’t hide them.
Qureshi’s own words are a perfect description of the BBC’s failure to do the legwork and find out those beliefs:
“We’ve been a bit politically naive,” he said. “We haven’t questioned some of the underlying assumptions about who Muslims are and what they believe in.”
But was it ‘naivety’ or stupidity or a deliberate move to promote Qureshi and Cage’s views in the full knowledge of what they are?
If so Cameron has a much harder task than he thinks if he wants to tackle the ‘poisonous ideology’ of Islamist extremism when the national broadcaster is itself, once again, promoting it.
Theresa May thinks she has the answer…..
Radical Islamist extremists and neo-Nazis could be banned from making public appearances including on television under a gagging order proposed by the Conservatives with echoes of the broadcast ban that once applied to the voice of Gerry Adams.
Theresa May will announce the measure as part of a widely drawn counter-extremism strategy that is intended to catch so-called hate preachers such as Anjem Choudary, who was released on bail last week after being arrested on suspicion of encouraging terrorism.
The home secretary’s new orders would be aimed at those who undertake activities “for the purpose of overthrowing democracy”, a wide-ranging definition that could also catch a far wider range of political activists.
The BBC, as with the IRA, will seek to still give voice to the terrorist/militant/extremist/reformed extremist.
It is, after all, so easy to tolerate what does not immediately affect you, and it’s nice to feel that one is liberal about Islam. But the lesson I’ve learnt is that we’re going to have to fight for our progressive democracy, because although you may tolerate Islam, Islam might not tolerate you. When it lives in your house, eats your food, sleeps under your roof, enjoys all the comforts you provide, all the while despising you, then you will be forced to make a choice.
The BBC has made its choice.
If you oppose Islamist extremism you are not just racist and Islamophobic but paranoid:
Dhimmi Beeboids would even put that appeasing question on a day when Islamic jihadist fascists perform a public beheading.
Has anyone at the BBC ever actually read the Haddith in full? If so they clearly did not understand it, for it is a rulebook for a blatantly extremist, violent and extremely supremacist ideology. We rightly refuse to accept such vile ideology from the KKK, Nazis, and other racist groups. Then why does the establishment tolerate and even promote it as peaceful?
Donning my trusty tin-foil hat, I would suggest it is the global establishment’s way to ensure a war without end, Zbigniew Brzezinski’s Clash of Civilisations made real.
We see it today across the Middle east in our engagement in a war where we help the friends of our enemies and bomb the friends of our friends. Where we are attacking an enemy on only half of his territory. Where we have no long term plan, no goal, no strategy, it takes over 30 sorties to bomb one pick-up truck and we allow the enemy safety and succour in our own communties at home whilst denying they are our enemies, because “That wud be raycist innit!”
There is no such thing as moderate Islam and no such thing as Extremist Islam. There is ONLY Islam as written in the Haddith of the Qu’ran and the Sun’nah. (I know this, because several Islamic scholars have told me this) To see what those texts preach, you only have to see what is happening inside the Islamic State, which is their Caliphate, run by the Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who has a Ba, MA and Phd in Islamic Studies (so I think it is safe to postulate that he knows a tad more about Islam than Therasa May does), according to the literal interpretation of the Haddith. Everything in the Islamic State is done according to Sharia Law. Every part of Civic life, every trade transaction, every birth, death, and marriage, every criminal investigation, every prosecution, every bit of every single part of civic society is managed according to Islamic Law. It is Islamic puritanism. There is none of it at all, which is not Islamic.
For Dhimmi idiot appeasers to beleive the Taqiyya lies of those Muslims denouncing ISIS, and then claim that ISIS is NOT Islamic? That is exactly as ludicrous as claiming that Pope Francis is not a Catholic or that Catholicism is not a form of Christianity.
We must END this idiotic, ignorant appeasement of the most vile supremacist Islamic ideology before it is too late and our multi-ethnic and diverse country is consumed by Islam and turned into a totalitarian monocultural state under Sharia Law.
In the interests of disclosure I am a Muslim.
@ Ken October 3, 2014 at 10:12 am
You are right regarding the fact that there is only Islam. No Western Islam, no Eastern Islam, no extreme Islam and no moderate Islam.
However ISIS/ISIL/IS are not a true Caliphate but a bogus one. In order for them to fulfill the criteria for that status they would have to FIRST & FOREMOST liberate the Hejaz from its current rulers. (I choose the word “liberate” carefully). The Caliph in order to be a Caliph must have direct control over the Hajj and for that he needs control over the Hejaz. (The “Caliph” with all his degrees would know that!) I do not think that ISIS/ISIL/IS are going to bite the hand that feeds them. Do you?
Read “The Caliphate, The Hijaz and the Sadi Wahabi Nation State” @ http://www.imranhosein.org/books/126-the-caliphate-the-hijaz-and-the-saudi-wahabi-nation-state.html
Everything done in the “Islamic State” is not done according to Sharia Law. Murdering people because they are Christian or Shia is strictly against Islam. You may dismiss this as “Taqqiyya”. So be it.
Another action of “Islamic State” was and is taking military help from a Judeo-Christian alliance (NATO) and her friends (the Gulf States). All this in strict contravention to Islam! So much so that they will no longer be considered part of the Muslim community!
I am not a Christian and I do not mean to cause offense but from my studies Catholicism is a lesser authentic version of Christianity and what the Pope in the Vatican is doing is probably no version of Christianity. Similarly “Islamic State” are not authentic Islam.
The “Islamic State” are fighting a “Yankee” Jihad and playing their role in the dialectic to further the Clash of Civilizations.
Anti-Israel, anti-American, anti-Western, anti-capitalsim…self-loathing white liberal guilt-trippers with private schools to visit, once they`ve denounced them to the Guardian and Will Gompertz or suchlike.
Venal self-serving, self righteous poverty pimps who suck off the States largesse, whilst wheel clamping the poor and aspirational at every slimy twist and turn.
Along come the halal curry kilometre merchants with Stanley knives and dead cats in the bag…and the spineless liberal skid marks put a nappy on Jesus to mock the piss Christ…but have their rumps up in the air for the mullahs, baring the necks of UKIP, self-employed conchies that hate them and their eternal revolutions and cartwheels through the institutions. And pointing out the church spires to Mo`s men in the hope they`ll plant a pastel rainbow flag, once the excesses of Sharia slimming black has been “reported upon` by Krishnan and Jon…Batman and Robin for the liberal `Tardies in their Tardis.
We`ll win though-time to take their money back, and make them work as dough boys in Medina and Peshawar.
Scum needing skimming. FOFFBEEB.
Identifying the moderate Muslim from the fundamental one, is a very difficult task.
It is going to get much harder as time goes by. Not only will the fundamenatlist Muslim speak English or Danish with the same degree of fluency as a native, but that the funadmentalist Muslim will adopt mannerisms and attitudes, that will beguile any attempt to unmask him. The other thing to note is that the moderate Muslim can, at a moments notice, become a fundamentalist.
Entertaining as usual, well said ChrisH.
Feeding lies to children Alan.
Or exposing the truth that the BBC and apparently you would rather suppress ?
What is about freedom of speech ,freedom of conscious and freedom of association that frightens you so much?
The best counter to lies is fact.
The best persuasion in debate is to weave fact into compelling evidence.
Assertion without either, especially as a tell it often enough one-liner… not so much (well, outside the BBC’s walls).
it is a poisonous ideology of Islamic extremism that is condemned by all states.”
The reality -The poisonous ideology of Islam.
Tolkein had a quote LOTR TTT Theoden at Isengard
“We shall have peace… We shall have peace, when you answer for the burning of the Westfold, and the children that lie dead there! We shall have peace, when the lives of the soldiers whose bodies were hewn even as they died against the gates of the Hornberg, are avenged! When you hang from a gibbit for the sport of your own crows…! We shall have peace. “
Include the tens of thousands of multiple gang rapes of young girls (nt just White bu Sikh and Hindu), that the MSM and authorities are desperate to sweep under the carpet.
Its the same in Scandinavia, where again the libTraitors are busy destroying the indigenous people, and replacing them with tribals with a culture rooted in 7th century Arabia.
If the Caliphate was ever established in this country, it would be the metropolitan liberal elite such as Nicky “Gameshow” Campbell who would face the wrath of its leaders through either imprisonment or some other punishment. Remember the old saying, “The Devil never keeps his disciples.”
Let us consider the situation that moderate Muslims prove that the correct interpretation of Islam was the moderate one (whatever that is). They even go further and make the changes in their teachings of the Koran and the Jihad. Such an outcome would no doubt come as a great relief to all. But I counter that all such changes were being done merely to protect the ummah while it grows at ever-increasing pace in the West (Taqqiya rules). Once a near majority is achieved, that future generation of Muslims will simply revoke any changes and return to the traditions of the Koran. They will even praise this generation of Muslims for having done what was necessary to protect Islam.
Therefore, the distinction between moderate Muslims and radical Muslims is meaningless; it is of no help to us.
Islam takes the long view – in several decades or centuries, or more. It is only right that we consider long term options, keeping in mind Islam’s long-term goals.
Well said, now try explaining this to the BBC, politicians left-wing teachers et al, and they will all stick fingers in their ears and go la la la….deny, deny…..morons..
Muslim leaders here are worried a push to send the SAS to fight ISIS-linked terrorists could fuel a backlash among the Muslim community in New Zealand.
Speaking to Radio New Zealand, Wellington’s Kilbirnie mosque’s Secretary of the International Muslim Association of New Zealand, Tahir Nawaz, says supporting the fight in Iraq would be a bad idea.
“We are a very good community here, we are very co-operative,” Mr Nawaz said.
“Once New Zealand troops are sent there, our public attitude could change. At the end of the day there would be people living here whose roots are in the countries where New Zealand would send the troops.”
Tony Green the Secretary of the Federation of the Islamic Association of New Zealand believes more western boots on the ground would further radicalise Muslims in the west.
Its clear its not the usual backlash by Kiwis on Muslims, which is the normal whinge, but a backlash by Muslims on NZ. In other words if NZ attacks Muslim countries, Muslims will attack NZ, the country that has been stupid enough to give these low IQ tribals an opportunity to live in the West.
Just as I thought. Great.
cage members are not former extremists,they are just a holding pen for every western hating extremist in this country.just go look at there website and twitter feed to be in no doubt about that.asim qureshi was on channel 4 news a few weeks ago and would not condemm isis after been asked 4 times to do so,cage might fool nicky campbell and those politacaly correct lot down at radio 5 live,but dig a bit beneath the surface of this group and they are in my opinion some very dangerous jihadists operating within this group,yes the dumbos of m15 screwed up the prosecution of the poster boy of cage maozaam begg even though he admiited he was in terrorist training camps in syria and not to forget he fought in with the jhadis in bosnia and afhganistan,what are m15 up to here i ask,so secret,but i guess mr begg was one of there informers hence they pressed the cps and west midlands police to drop those charges against him,that to me makes a mockery of the law and now puts us all in danger by giving a free pass to every jihadist murderer who fought in syria to come back to the uk knowing they wont get nicked because they will play the moazaam begg defence trick by saying m15 will protect us from being charged and put through the courts,just disgusting that moazaam begg has got away with it again,ps, did you know are thick goverment gave him £1 million compensation for being locked up in gitmo bay by the americans,you could not make it up could you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wpGn3VgNMA…just to back up my point about asim qureshi
A humanitarian taxi driver this time…..Perhaps Campell will be exonerating this on his programme in the coming days
Alan Hemmings decapitated.
Quote:’The blood of David Haines was on your hands Cameron, Alan Henning will also be slaughtered but his blood is on the hands of the British parliament.’
Correct. If parliament had not allowed the immigration into Britain of people whose religion commands the takeover of every land and make it sharia compliant, then we would not be fighting in Muslim lands, and this act would not have happened.
Yet another “this is not Islam” decapitation.
Now for all those, including imams, that say “this is not Islam”, ask yourself “What would Mohammed have done”.
ISIS is doing exactly what Mohammed would have done and what he actually did do.
Noted the 10am Radio 4 poppet reading the news that B-Henning had been dispatched by …er…”Islamic State EXTREMISTS”.
You know-as opposed to those moderate IS chaps who only want a consensual caliphate and the Jews to queue in an orderly line for the Halal abbatoir.
Good old BBC eh?…hope they`ll send the whole crew over to find those “moderate IS chaps” who we may yet do business with.
Maybe with hi-viz jumpsuits in some other colour that orange…it`s so last year now Mo…and sends a somewhat aggresive vibe to the viewer nowadays, it being somehow tainted re the ROP brand the BBC is intent on promoting.
Couldn`t we save Gaia`s lungs by offering our unemployed jihadi warriors a charter flight free of charge.
Captain Anjem Choudhury at the controls, as taught by that Florida school…Atta Airline Servics was it?
It would be far more efficient and eco-friendly that the poor poppets all sneaking off school with a Death for Dummies download.
The BBC would surely be happy, as long as those orange jumpsuits were dumped for something more hi-viz and less tainted by brand contagion…maybe peach and lavender Games Maker type outfits.
And when ISIS wanted us to negotiate for the release of those who didn`t match the job spec…well, my Arabic isn`t all that it should be…oh dear.
Not sure why do BBC keep having CAGE on. One of them was on radio 4 earlier this week. Justin Webb was interviewing him and trying to come up with a nuanced argument about the complexity of what Begg was doing in Syria , something to do with working with fighting in Syria but helping against Assad. The fella from cage was playing along with it for a bit and clearly twisting words to try and pretend Begg wasn’t mixing with the wrong ‘uns.
Then it all went a bit pear shaped. The cage fella went off the narrative and into a Rant that Webb couldn’t rescue him from.
Another scorpion and frog episode.