START THE WEEK OPEN THREAD

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The BBC never fails to disappoint. I caught BBC radio 4 “Today” mocking the Conservative’s claims regarding Labour’s budget busting spending plans should they get back into power; then turned on BBC1 News to hear them give weird Ed Miliband a chance to rubbish the Conservatives. Not a sniff of bias there, no sirree. Anyway here is a NEW Open Thread.

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  1. Sinniberg says:
    January 5, 2015 at 3:12 pm

    Yes, compare these two sub-healines:

    Yesterday:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30670633

    “Prime Minister David Cameron has DEFENDED his government’s record as the parties stepped up their campaigning ahead of the general election”.

    Today:

    “Ed Miliband says Conservative claims of unfunded spending pledges by Labour are “completely false”, as he seeks to rally party supporters”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/

    It seems the BBC’s chosen angle when “reporting” on anybody it doesn’t like is that they “defend/defends/defended”.

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  2. Guest Who says:
    January 5, 2015 at 3:12 pm

    Well with Jon and Norm taking one each for the team to maintain the illusion of professional objectivity they do at least appear conscious that 100% fealty may look at bit obvious.

    Shame the more rabid Labour stormtroopers didn’t cut ’em much slack either live or online, if my Guido or BBC FaceBook reading is anything to go on.

    Stray from the hive line even a fraction and a world of hurt descends. And given what Kippers seem expected to swallow for months, one day of BBC doubt that Ed, Ed and Andy are entirely honest or competent appears to have opened a similar Pandora’s box to that Nick R managed with the SNP.

    That must sting.

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  3. #88 says:
    January 5, 2015 at 3:40 pm

    The BBC really have got it in for Ched Evans, hoisted by them today to be the top story on many of their channels and with yet another Gameshow phone in on the subject (and publicising the anti Evans petition into the bargain)

    I’m not sure if anyone noticed, but towards the end of the Five Live phone in the tone changed somewhat. Aware that his case is being reviewed and that the conviction looks more than dodgy, a couple of callers – and Gameshow himself began to pre-handle a successful appeal with words to the effect that whether or not he is guilty what he did was pretty ‘sordid’. He should whistle his career good-bye, whether or not he is guilty, was the summing up of the penultimate caller, a woman, a bigot, there to dispense her own version of mob justice, supported by one of the weakest, most fatuous contributions I have heard from an invited journalist, who seemed to present himself as a bit of an authority on the story – mind you, he was from the Guardian (as you might expect)!

    So there we are, the BBC keep stoking it up but are now clearing the decks for when Evans is exonerated. Clearly they are preparing to move the goalposts.

    BTW: As it happens, I personally don’t think Evans’ review will succeed even if he is innocent. The left wing establishment have politicised the justice system and the new DPP has publicly expressed her concern over the number of failed rape cases. They cannot allow such a high profile case such as this one to be lost.

    If only the BBC had shown as much interest in the rape victims in Rochdale…Oxford…Telford…Rotherham…Derby…Blackpool…Manchester…Oldham…Blackburn…Sheffield…Skipton…Nelson…Preston…Bradford…Ipswich…Birmingham…Barking…Peterborough….(to be continued)…

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    • Dave666 says:
      January 5, 2015 at 11:39 pm

      “Evans, who had been with his girlfriend for 18 months at the time, left through a fire escape shortly afterwards.”

      Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2132704/Ched-Evans-jailed-years-rape.html#ixzz3NzbXmaoF
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      As usual there seems to be a certain lack of information concerning the circumstances of the conviction. Just the details of which ever team is trying to sign him. You would have thought that with such a high profile story which is ongoing and likely to be so for some time that the media would have given more details surrounding the case.Giving the public more information on which to base their opinions. So once again people are being given limited information by the media.
      Personally I have signed the latest petition along with the 30,000 or so other people.

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      • John Smith says:
        January 6, 2015 at 12:24 am

        According to feminists men are out raping left, right, and centre. To be honest it is a wonder any of us wear anything below the waste we are raping so much. If rape were as common as feminist tell us it wouldn’t be a crime because the evil patriarchy wouldn’t see it is abnormal. But rape is rare. Very rare. Despite what feminists think men actually like women and are driven to protect them by deep seated biological programming.

        What we have with this Ched Evans person is that uncommon thing a convicted rapist, at the moment. The Left are revelling in this exception to typical male behaviour; never let a crisis or unpleasant event go to waste. The Left forget the majority, the common, and the general; unless it furthers their agenda. Evan’s ethnicity isn’t mentioned but he is white, the majority, so cannot hide.

        It reminds me of the Stephen Lawrence affair. One black man is killed by cowards twenty years ago and the event is mentioned monthly. How many times do we here of the white boys stabbed and killed by non-white boys? In some communities and areas knife crime is such a low level act now it hardly warrants a mention in the local news; especially if the perpetrators fit certain profiles.

        I feel sorry for the woman who was this victim in this crime as she cannot escape it at the moment. I don’t think the Left or the feminists care much about her suffering. Perhaps they regard her as some pseudo-martyr to their cause whether she likes or not?

        I hope Mr Evens wakes up and realises until or if he is acquitted his days of playing soccer are over.

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    • Beez says:
      January 6, 2015 at 1:16 pm

      Excellent post #88.

      I’ve heard the Evans case brought up by pretty much everyone in my place of work. The general consensus; guilty!

      Despite evidence to the contrary littered across the internet, it seems lefties, and women in particular, just can not comprehend that he MIGHT be innocent.

      Regardless of whether he is exonerated or not, Evans career as a footballer is over.

      His sudden end to the professional game, if his prosecution is overturned, can 100% be attributed to the loathsome feminists and the despicable do-gooder’s on twitter.

      How far we have fallen as a society, when the justice system is swayed by a hate-filled mob of feminazis.

      The country is going down the shitter, and when you consider all the damage being done to this country (whether it be mass kiddy rape, DELIBERATE overcrowding, underfunding, suppression of free speech and apolgists for Islam) there is only one, backward and intolerable group to thank. Yep, you guessed it, it’s the lamentable lefties.

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      • lojolondon says:
        January 6, 2015 at 7:19 pm

        More importantly, I believe his conviction is not only being contested, it is also spent, as he went to jail. Funny how the B-BBC will take a convicted fraudster/thief like Dennis McShane as a representative on a panel while he is still under sentence (gained early release) – but Evans somehow doesn’t seem to be ‘as’ forgiven.

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      • cockney says:
        January 6, 2015 at 10:05 pm

        Evidence to the contrary littered across the internet? Obviously is more valuable than the evidence presented to the jury in court. I despair….

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        • johnnythefish says:
          January 7, 2015 at 2:18 pm

          The evidence presented in court:

          ‘Sensitive readers should look away now. Footballer Clayton McDonald, a friend of Ched Evans, picked up a 19-year-old girl who was drunk at 4am, and went back to a hotel room with her. McDonald texted Evans: “I’ve got a bird.” McDonald and the girl then had sex. Evans turned up, and the court was told that the girl asked him to perform oral sex on her, which he did. Evans then had sex with the girl, whom he claimed was enjoying herself. A hotel porter said there was no sound of distress or cause for alarm. A few of the footballers’ charming mates showed up and filmed through a window. The next morning, Evans departed via an emergency exit. The 19-year-old awoke to find she was naked, with, she says, no memory of what had happened to her. That evening, she reported McDonald and Evans to the police.’

          http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11226209/Ched-Evans-Sorry-but-all-rapes-are-not-the-same.html

          Not the open and shut case you suggest.

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        • Beez says:
          January 8, 2015 at 10:01 am

          I refer you to the comment below, Cockney.

          Thanks for your invaluable input though, it really put me in my place.

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  4. An English Gentleman says:
    January 5, 2015 at 3:45 pm

    It will be interesting to note the bbbc strategy for dealing with the ‘Chedgate’ affair if he is successful in his appeal against conviction.

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    • Dover Sentry says:
      January 5, 2015 at 4:35 pm

      Indeed! I have my pop-corn and a comfy chair on standby…

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    • #88 says:
      January 5, 2015 at 4:44 pm

      As above.

      Towards the end of his programme, Gameshow described Evans’ behaviour as ‘sordid’ – a sentiment strangely echoed by a couple of other callers as the programme drew to a close (Oh, the choreography).

      It follows therefore that Plan B will be invoked and an innocent Evans will not meet the BBC’s ‘Fit and Proper Person’ test to be allowed to play any form of football in the future.

      The BBC – the guardian of our morals.

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      • pah says:
        January 6, 2015 at 3:06 pm

        What else would you call a tag team of sloppy seconds other than sordid? Neither footballers nor the girl herself come out of the evening looking good and Evans has fully admitted his part in the affair, but claims the girl was ‘up for it’; which is where the rape charge comes in.

        Should this stop Evans playing football? IMHO no, there are plenty of people who do stuff they later regret or is otherwise sordid, especially at the BBC.

        Whether or not it was rape is another question entirely.

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    • Sickofitall says:
      January 5, 2015 at 6:55 pm

      If Evans’ appeal is successful I imagine the BBC will simply chuck the story in the memory hole, along with Muslim paedophile grooming, Hamas incitement to murder Jews, white cops in America being killed by black people, the downside of mass immigration, UKIP popularity, etc etc etc. Basically whatever it does with all the other stuff it doesn’t want to hear, la-la-la, not listening.

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      • Ken says:
        January 7, 2015 at 1:41 pm

        I saw a great meme online the other day, which said, “You can tell when the liberal progressive media have too much power when a black man can kill Asian and Hispanic cops and it is all the fault of whites!”

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      • lojolondon says:
        January 7, 2015 at 7:14 pm

        Remember, Chris Huhne should still have been in jail when the Biased BBC invited him to appear on a show and paid him for the privilege. So they can be very quick to forgive, depending on who you are!

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  5. AsISeeIt says:
    January 5, 2015 at 4:29 pm

    Never mind rehabilitation of offenders – which you might think would be the normal liberal media line – the Ched Evans BBC/Twitterstorm has everything to with the on-going campaign to enforce PC on sport. Which, by the way, now appears to be the main raison d’être of BBC’s 5Live channel.

    The BBC, NHS, Police, education, civil service – even charity sector have been won and are now securely held. Westminster politics was almost sown up – as signalled by the Pantomime Marriage Act. Almost sown up, but people get to vote occasionally in that sector – hence the consternation with which Ukip is viewed.

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  6. Cockney says:
    January 5, 2015 at 4:41 pm

    At what point did the rehabilitation of convicted criminals into society become such a massive cause for non-liberals? Everything seems to be upside-down on this one.

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    • Essex Man says:
      January 5, 2015 at 4:48 pm

      Anyone been watching the Darts , everyone `Hideously White` , surprised ,the Bbc still cover it , ITV must be waiting in the wings . I suppose the Bbc are only interested in the wimmin`s games , it gives them some `diversity dykes` to hype up a bit .

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      • Ken says:
        January 7, 2015 at 1:59 pm

        I prefer the Darts on SKY. Much higher standard of Darts.

        The BBC are making the Darts on BBC more politically correct. They are showing the Women’s game alongside the mens. The first match was between a white woman and a black woman. First finish on a double from 301 (as is traditional for the “weaker” sex).

        Personally, I would rather see true equality in darts. Let the women compete against the men on equal terms. I mean, is there any real reason why a woman could not be as good at darts as any man? Likewise with snooker and any other target sports based on skill rather than physical strength. Pandering to women, by allowing them an easier game against weaker oponents is sexist and offensive.

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        • Mustapha Sheikup al-Beebi says:
          January 7, 2015 at 2:25 pm

          A fair point. As darts requires only skill and little muscle strength (unlike weightlifting or sprinting, for example) there is no reason why you could not have at least some mixed events.

          The justification for separate events is, presumably, the perceived ‘need’ to encourage women and girls to play the game more, by creating female champions and thus role-models for females to follow. How long this goes on before mixed events become a reality, is anyone’s guess. Don’t expect intellectual honesty on this: we’ve been here before, with “wimmin’s chess” in the 1980s, where the denial of gender difference in the cerebral capacity for chess didn’t stop the tradition of women-only events. Try putting this question to Angela or Maria Eagle, two sisters and Labour MPs who were junior chess players a few decades ago.

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    • Guest Who says:
      January 5, 2015 at 4:51 pm

      One might inquire the same in reverse, only about the the BBC, this forum being about them. Oh, sorry, most already have been.

      Careful too with the sweeping pigeon-holing generalisations, now, me old forest scroll.

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    • D1004 says:
      January 5, 2015 at 5:15 pm

      Since when has the hang, draw and quartering of a convicted minor criminal out on licence, willing and able to return to his old trade which is well paid, and will therefore keep him off the books of the unemployed and benefit claimers been of such concern to the bloody bbc?. These people will not be happy until he gives up, turns to drink and drugs and ends up hanging from a tree. The bloody bb sodding c totally disgust me on this one. If I could make a meaningful complaint about their ‘news’ agenda which in reality is all about keeping the workers in line and afraid of their betters behind the barriers in Salford then I would, but we all know that is a sham.
      These people are utterly, utterly vile, talk about ‘crushing a butterfly’. Thank god you don’t cross their self appointed crusade to destroy those they deem beyond the pale.

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    • ID says:
      January 5, 2015 at 6:13 pm

      No, the odd thing is that the BBC is usually for the “rehabilitation” of any mass murderer, multiple child rapist, Irish terrorist or returning beheader from Syria , you care to name, yet Evans, for some reason, has to be punished some more. The latest feminist/leftist credo is “victims must be believed” so, of course, denying an accusation of rape violates this dictum. In fact, court procedings are a waste of time as every man is guilty until proved guilty as what victims say is always true. Evans is breaking a leftist tenet of faith by claiming his innocence, a heresy, and so must be forced to repent.

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      • D1004 says:
        January 5, 2015 at 6:27 pm

        I think you have found the truth of the matter, his desire to clear himself, therefore his refusal to apologise to the ‘victim’, this is what upsets the wimmins rights groups. Let’s face it, all and sundry try to appeal their sentences from Jeremy Bamber to the scum who killed Lee Rigby, all claim their right to an appeal with no come back from the beeboids.

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        • pah says:
          January 6, 2015 at 3:12 pm

          Yes it’s very true. If Lee Rigby’s killers had been footballers the BBC may well have been quiet on the matter.

          Personally I wouldn’t take too kindly to any team that employed them on release from prison tho’. Would you?

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      • Ken says:
        January 7, 2015 at 2:08 pm

        Pandering to that mild level of feminism is dangerous. It will lead to far worse cases and the eventual criminalisation of men altogether.

        There are already feminists who want any sexual congress between men and women to be classed as potential rape, with the woman able to decide weeks or months after the event, that it was rape, based on any action of the man after the event. Even if it was 100% consensual and initiated by the woman at the time. If she changes her mind later, she should have the right to have him charged for rape.

        There are feminists who cry “stare rape” if a man that they do not like, merely looks at them. There are feminists that think that a man merely asking a woman out on a date, is an act of attempted rape.

        There are feminsists who believe that all sex between men and women is de facto rape, whether she consented or not.

        And it is not just rape. I read of a case yesterday on an internet forum of a single woman who asked a male neighbour to babysit for her for a couple of hours. She said he was a nice man who had consented to babysit, for free. What she wanted to know was if she did not pay him to baby sit, could she then sue him for child maintanence as he had consented to take on a “care-giving role” to those children and that definition is sufficient in State Law where she lived to be able to sue for maintanence payments.

        Normal, rational society must NEVER give in or pander to these hate filled, delusional, mental, men-hating spychopaths.

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  7. chrisH says:
    January 5, 2015 at 5:34 pm

    The trouble with the liberals is that they are a spineless pack that seem intent of replaacing fox hunting with sniffer trails to root out anybody chavvy and successful, guilty of being white, male and able to be hounded easily in an easy populist cause.
    Reflex ten month hates and they get the taste for addictive easy victories from their keyboards-from their fellow travellers in academe, media and social media.
    They crave the pack think…those rules for “criminalising by not rehabilitating” of theirs go belly up when it comes to a hate crime, sex crime and thought crime-as they judge and stand jury upon.
    Individual jellies and reflex suckups for the underdog who`s served his time…but venomous pitiless scum when in pack mode, outdoing each other to be spiteful, nsty and oh so self-virtuous in the process…and their pack approval eggs them all on and over the top-hopefully over a cliff like the swine that they are.
    I have no brief for Evans-I don`t know of his case, but the judge and jury did-and he`s square with the house.
    That the howling ideologues and zealots of liberal contortions want him sacked for life from anything to do with his trade, only makes me hope that Oldham grow a pair and back him.
    He`s never set out to be a role model-like Savile or Hari…he plies a trade, and no restraint of that is to be entertained-there are no women on his pitch-so f*** Off BBC.
    The hypocrisy stinks-rehab, prison doesn`t work, we`ll only put his kind underground if we stigmatise them…all the usual shibboleths-until it`s any liberal totems like sex and men…when the mittens some off and the jackboots(in fetching pink , lavender and lime green) get stuck into the white working classes…as ever.

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    • D1004 says:
      January 5, 2015 at 6:44 pm

      Chris, you write some great stuff and use some wonderful word play, but sometimes, like this, I only half understand it 🙁 Sorry for being so thick.

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      • chrisH says:
        January 5, 2015 at 7:33 pm

        Not at all D1004…it`s all waffle, and I confuse myself half the time…and you and other regulars write some great stuff.
        I was an idiot lefty myself once-a green Christian baiting arrogant oaf like the elite I now so despise…to me it was David Kelly and-oddly enough Rocco Buttiglioni in 2004, Walter Wolfgang-and coming across Peter Hitchens and Melanie Phillips in the likes of the Mail that out me on this path.
        It`s all so bloody obvious what the cretins in the public sector(mainly), Labour liberals and the unions are up to-as well as the liberal media who despise the likes of me-and it gets clearer by the day.
        And I love to tell them every chance I get-in schools, hospital and council forums as I can-but better at PLO croups, Unions and SWP types-Transition Towns a speciality!
        For I was one of those-and risk/ed plenty to say so.
        Those pious mice are brave only when its Ched Evans type witch hunts…and I despise them.
        Thank Jesus we`re never alone…and we, the good guys DO win..I`ve seen the end of the Book!
        Ta for the kind words..a great 2015…and it`s never thick!
        (1 Cor 1.18-1 Cor 2,2).

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  8. Doublethinker says:
    January 5, 2015 at 5:37 pm

    This is not a specific complaint about BBC bias but rather an illustration of the complete hypocrisy of the liberal left re Chad Evans , the convicted rapist footballer, who continues to protest his innocence. On PM a Guardian columnist , not a surprise there of course, said that she thought the campaign to stop him ever playing professional football again was fully justified. She went to say that it was important that rapists had to be made an example of and that unless they made a full confession and showed genuine remorse they could not expect society to forgive them.
    What a contrast in the attitude of the Guardian when compared to their soto voce approach to the never ending list of Muslim rapists and the vast amount of Muslim violence against women. Did the Guardian demand that all those council officials , MPs and police involved in Rotherham scandal were hounded out of office and declared beyond the pale? Did they demand exemplary sentences of the Muslim men involved? Did they the demand tough action regarding the abuse of Muslim women by their men folk? Did they support social media campaigns attacking those Muslims?
    No, the liberal left just wants to hide all of that from the British people and would much rather attack the footballer. Their hypocritical behaviour stinks to high heaven .

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    • dave s says:
      January 5, 2015 at 5:48 pm

      Lacking self awareness the liberal only has time for approved thoughts. Evans is easy and requires little real thinking but Rotherham is so difficult. All. those senior police and social workers, good liberals all I expect , failing in their duty. It does not compute in the liberal mind and throw in a minority community and the head explodes.
      It is the same lazy attitude to everything now . From the NHS to Israel the liberal will not exercise real thought and no longer values it. Empathy is all.
      This is how a civilisation ends. In a collective inability to look at reality squarely and in parading ersatz emotion as a substitute for good governance. and self discipline.

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      • Dover Sentry says:
        January 5, 2015 at 6:00 pm

        Similarly, it was Left wing appeasement in the 1930’s that could have resulted in WW2 being lost.

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    • Essex Man says:
      January 5, 2015 at 5:51 pm

      If Ched had been an effnick , we would not of heard a `dicky bird` out of the usual suspects, & the Bbc. I wonder if Ched could play the Welsh card , bit of a long shot with the Evil Lefty Bastard`s , though .

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  9. John Bosworth says:
    January 5, 2015 at 5:51 pm

    Hold on to your hats! Reading between the lines I beleive that Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is being lined up as a victim. A photograph on the BBC website of five or six protesters claiming all the evidence against is faked, while last year there were suggestions he was a right wing nut and a 9/11 truther. If the facts destroy the narrative, the story will become all about the death penalty. You have been warned.

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  10. no.6 says:
    January 5, 2015 at 6:07 pm

    Pm tonite talking about the problems in Sweden, rape capital of the world and with new laws outlawing ‘islamaphobia’ ]the beeboids gave us more sycophantic sucking up to poor muslims. The whole item bowing prostrate on the floor to muslim supremacists.
    No mention of the sharia enforcement patrols in Malmo, now a complete sh*thole thanks to rampant inward islamic immigration.
    Watch this:
    http://www.patcondell.net/sweden-ship-of-fools/

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    • noggin says:
      January 5, 2015 at 6:20 pm

      Translated by Nicolai Sennels for 10news.dk:
      Sweden The Mosque fire touted as “Islamophobia” was in fact an accident
      “Since the fire was an accident started from inside the mosque, it means that it was either started by a Muslim (intentionally or not),
      or caused by gas or electrical installations that the mosque is responsible for…. Muslim leaders in Sweden have already started to demand a state-paid “prayer room guarantee.”l

      … once again the “unicorn” of Islamofauxbia, is non existent
      yet … the BBC are still bleating about it … oh and the “far right”
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30602252
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30528918

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/01/sweden-mosque-fire-touted-as-islamophobia-was-an-accident

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    • Llareggub says:
      January 5, 2015 at 7:49 pm

      Its a matter of commonsense why Sweden, hosting the rape capital of the world, should want to ban Islamophobia. The more rapes by Islamites, the greater the potential backlash against them, hence the need to protect them from Islamophobia. Just imagine if they were beheading and crashing lorries into pedestrians here. It would be necessary to act tough against Islamophobia to prevent a backlash. (apologies..Orwell is beaming me up)

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      • dave s says:
        January 5, 2015 at 8:56 pm

        How long will Sweden continue to exist as a cohesive land? Is this worth even discussing? Not for the liberal elite both in Sweden and here. . It has no future as a nation and is going to be the first land mass in Europe to become just that – a land mass waiting to be filled with whoever wants to come and is tough enough to hold it.
        To be honest I don’t care one bit. Now this land is another matter all together. Yet one more reason to leave the EU yesterday.

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        • dave s says:
          January 6, 2015 at 12:54 am

          Lest anyone thinks I am hard on the Swedes I will remind you that Swedish policy towards Israel is unrelenting in it’s hostility. The first EU nation to recognize the putative state of Palestine.

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          • cockney says:
            January 6, 2015 at 10:10 pm

            Lovely place though, scenic, nice people, super trendy…. Another case of the impending dooooom being not quite here yet. I’m sure it’ll rock up one day though so you can be proved right. Maybe.

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        • Joeb says:
          January 6, 2015 at 10:18 pm

          Well, they’re taking the next step, which is banning the Swedish flag in a school in case it offends someone:

          http://www.blazingcatfur.ca/2014/12/26/swedish-school-bans-the-swedish-flag/

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          • cockney says:
            January 6, 2015 at 10:27 pm

            A daft rule in one elementary school. Looks like the collapse of a nation to me. Been to Sweden recently? Thought not.

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            • Mark says:
              January 8, 2015 at 2:48 pm

              Not necessarily a collapse, but the state education sector in the West is chocker with Gramscian ‘Class of 1968’ commissars.

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  11. stewart says:
    January 5, 2015 at 6:08 pm

    Just read this on Order-order
    http://order-order.com/2015/01/05/labour-room-meat-turn-on-pillock-norman-smith/
    Listen to Ed quitening the baying mob ,“particularly Norman” indeed

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  12. Laska says:
    January 5, 2015 at 6:11 pm

    Apparently the BBC is a news organisation that would bring the voice of reason and compassion and not add fuel to (certain) mob hysteria. In the case of the footballer who would like to continue his career whilst appealing his conviction, I would expect them to reach out to all those rehabilitation charities/NGOs who would fulminate against all those employers who prove resistant to employing murdreres, thieves, etc. Yet not a peep. I suppose the test of rehabilitation, like law and all morality, is tested by hard cases. If the said organisations have shied away from advocating for the footballer, shame on them. If the BBC has not asked them double shame on them as they renounce their remit to educate and inform, not gang up on one man.

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  13. Pounce says:
    January 5, 2015 at 6:44 pm

    Anybody read this bBC article on Lebanon closing the door on Syrian refugees. While the bBC is happy to inform you that both Lebanon and Turkey have taken in over 1 million people, it doesn’t mention that the population of Lebanon is around 4.5 million as opposed to Turkeys of 75 million.
    But what I did notice was how the bBC used the grievance of the locals to explain why the door has been shut:
    “The small town of Mashha has 6,500 residents. Now, 3,500 refugees have made it their home too. As elsewhere in Lebanon, rents are rising, wages are falling and Lebanese complain they can’t find jobs. “I used to earn $1,000 a month,” one resident told me. “They sacked me, and hired four Syrians instead.” Those resentments boiled over a few weeks ago, when an angry mob burned down a new camp built by an international charity. And Mashha is Sunni, like the bulk of the refugees. Elsewhere in Shia and Christian areas the influx is widening sectarian and religious divisions. “

    Have to admit I was shocked to see this from the bBC:
    “The size of the refugee population in Lebanon is putting a huge strain on the country’s infrastructure and resources.”

    And yet when anybody who mentions any of the above in the UK, he is instantly deemed a…racist. Funny that.

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    • George R says:
      January 5, 2015 at 7:06 pm

      We can expect Beeboids to up their political campaign to increase mass immigration/ ‘diversity’ into Britain.
      But somehow they will not associate such mass immigration with their favoured political party of mass immigration, the Labour Party, in pre-General Election period.

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    • Dave666 says:
      January 5, 2015 at 11:44 pm

      I did spend most of that report from the Lebanon saying “does that sound familiar” to Mrs Dave666. Rising rents falling wages, not seen that happening.

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    • ID says:
      January 6, 2015 at 12:13 am

      Yes, Pounce, over the last couple of days the BBC has been running a number of items that undermine their “mass immigration is joyous” message. On Saturday’s Today they were sympathising with the Muslim Uiga who did not appreciate the “enrichment” brought about by mass Han immigration. Wage compression, cultural marginalisation, indigenous unemployment, ethnic tensions were all caused by mass Chinese immigration. Similarly in Lebanon, as you mention. The BBC usually never accepts that mass immigration could have negative impacts on our indigenous population. Any criticism must be due to the racism, the mass hysteria or stupidity of the UK natives. Yet the “racist” views of the Uiga or the Lebanese are accepted as statements of fact. I suppose the rationale for this is that suggesting anyone who is not English is racist is itself racist. What tiresome fools these people are.

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  14. Jeff says:
    January 5, 2015 at 6:54 pm

    I’ve been wondering how the Beeb would have reported the Ched Evans “rape case” had he been black. If you recall his co accused was a young black footballer who corroborated Evan’s story but was found not guilty of rape. I have a hunch the BBC attitude would be very different. Instead of “convicted rapist” we would be told that the jury’s decision was controversial, disputed and highly suspect. We would be bombarded with propaganda informing us that young black men are unfairly treated by the judiciary. We would be asked how the white lad “got away with it” and the poor black boy was found guilty. The case would be portrayed as a shocking and clearly racist injustice. The same people who are depriving Evans of his livelihood would be mounting a campaign to have the court’s decision overturned and for him to be reinstated as a player.
    Thank fxxx he’s not a Muslim…

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  15. johnnythefish says:
    January 5, 2015 at 6:59 pm

    O/T, except I could have sworn it was the BBC I was listening to…

    The guest on Classic FM’s Culture Club yesterday was Jude Kelly, Artistic Director of the Southbank Centre.

    Switched on to hear Ms Kelly moaning about the general absence of classical music in schools, though especially in schools ‘who have nothing’ as opposed to schools ‘who have it all’ (no, me neither – perhaps she’s never been to those inner-city comprehensives with their computer suites groaning under the weight of AppleMacs).

    The solution, as she saw it (and no prizes for guessing), was for more government funding of the arts, though didn’t expand on how this might generate more interest in classical music amongst schoolkids.

    What was really interesting, though, was she thought children today should have the same opportunities to appreciate and/or get involved with classical music that she did as a child in the fifties.

    EH?

    Like what?

    My early exposure to classical music in a working class household came from a) a handful of records owned by my dad and my uncles which included the 1810 Overture, The Planets Suite and Chopin and b) Children’s Favourites on the Light Programme, where brief classical pieces such as Tchaikovsky’s Piano Concerto #1 and excerpts from Swan Lake were regularly requested.

    In other words, Ms Kelly, not effing school and not the effing Arts Council.

    No questions asked about what the government should cut to fund this extra spending nor what responsibilities parents might have to give their offspring a wider musical appreciation. But fair dos, she was an invited guest of Classic FM being asked to choose her favourite pieces, not fronting up for an interview on Today.

    Not that it would have made any difference.

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    • flexdream says:
      January 5, 2015 at 8:36 pm

      Small point but it’s the 1812 overture, not 1810. I was exposed to that wonderfull music at school and in the home. Ditto the Planets suite.

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    • JoShaw says:
      January 5, 2015 at 9:08 pm

      “No questions asked about what the government should cut to fund this extra spending”

      Well I could think of a few things without any difficulty.

      “The Mayor of London, Boris Johnson today (2 December) welcomed the Government’s commitment of £141m to create a major new higher education and cultural district on Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park.

      It was confirmed today in the Government’s National Infrastructure Plan, that £141m will be committed to help deliver the Mayor’s ‘Olympicopolis’ vision…………facilities for a Choreographic School, and for a Hip Hop Academy.”

      There you have it. Some of Europe’s greatest achievements ignored, but we’ll have a Hip Hop academy.

      Sweden isn’t the only mad house around.

      One last comment, speaking for myself growing up in the 1950s and 60s, I don’t recall Classical being quite so far off the radar as it is today.

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      • johnnythefish says:
        January 6, 2015 at 10:26 am

        ‘One last comment, speaking for myself growing up in the 1950s and 60s, I don’t recall Classical being quite so far off the radar as it is today. ‘

        Jo – I can think of a few reasons for that:

        1. There were only three radio stations (leaving out late night tuning-in to Luxembourg): the Home Service (akin to today’s Radio 4), the Light Programme (a mixture of music – ‘modern’, jazz and orchestral/classical and the Third Programme (all classical).

        2. There was more likelihood classical music would be used as programme theme tunes and incidental music e.g. ‘Mars’ in ‘Quatermass’.

        3. You weren’t seen as ‘spoffy’ or ‘gay’ (yes, this is the language schoolkids use whether you like it or not, Scott) if you admitted a liking for a classical piece.

        Thus I think it’s a case of more choice means less now – still only two classical stations , there is more peer pressure to conform to a dumbed down imported street culture and modern trends in TV programming are against classical. I think for the latter Ms Kelly could bring some influence to bear without spending an extra bean.

        The broader point I’m making is the Left only ever see one solution to a problem – throw more money at it, and will never go to the root cause because they know it will throw up uncomfortable truths – very often inadequate parenting (as Frank Field found to his cost for ‘thinking the unthinkable’ under Blair).

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        • JoShaw says:
          January 6, 2015 at 11:49 am

          Mostly agree.

          Don’t entirely agree with (3). Growing up in ‘t North, in a largely working class area, any deviation from what was considered ‘normal’ was taken as solid evidence of homosexuality. I would even say that, at worst, homosexuality was an obsession. Playing in a brass or military band was more-or-less acceptable, even when the repertoire was classical. I noticed some improvement when I moved south in 1971.

          Agree that classical music was widely used. It is still having a huge impact on film and computer game music, but fewer people seem to be aware of the influence.

          Agree entirely about relentless peer pressure. Stronger than ever. And the BBC’s TV coverage is appalling when you consider that they have several in-house, salaried orchestras.

          Last year, I forget where exactly, I heard a youngish but reasonably educated person describe a movement from a Beethoven symphony as a ‘song’. I assumed that there was no other word in her vocabulary to cover it.

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      • Invicta 1066 says:
        January 7, 2015 at 10:32 am

        I listened to classical music virtually every day as a child of the 50s and 60s. The Dolly suite by Faure, on Listen with Mother.
        Still love it although prefer the piano version to the more orchestral version played on Classic FM and it’s a little too fast.

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        • johnnythefish says:
          January 7, 2015 at 2:19 pm

          Nice one Invicta – I remember that too and always wondered what the piece was called.

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  16. flexdream says:
    January 5, 2015 at 8:34 pm

    Now that the General Election campaign is underway my usual online news sources have declared their bias. The BBC is campaigning daily for Labour, the Telegraph is campaigning for the Tories. Both are anti-UKIP and think the LibDems irrelevant.
    Unless anyone can suggest an impartial online news source then between now and the election I think I’ll just avoid political news. Any suggestions?

       22 likes

    • Geoff says:
      January 5, 2015 at 9:21 pm

      The Telegraph aided an abetted by the poster Everhardus who is running the Disqus bot. An orchestrated anti-UKIP propaganda machine that the DT are happy to let run riot on any UKIP story that allows comments.

      The Bot is readily available and a pinch of salt should be taken with the comments on any site that runs Disqus.

         21 likes

    • Merched Becca says:
      January 5, 2015 at 9:29 pm

      Try this website

         6 likes

    • Doublethinker says:
      January 6, 2015 at 11:19 am

      At least the Telegraph is a news outlet that you don’t have to pay for if you don’t like it and it also allows leftist to have their say , even if Mary Riddell is a loony. The BBC allows no one from the right to have a say and we all have to pay for it regardless of how strongly we disagree with its leftist rubbish.

         18 likes

    • London Calling says:
      January 8, 2015 at 8:16 pm

      Follow what’s happening from a different point of view, in a different country, Opinion from a standpoint no British media offer, and that includes the lamentably useless Sky. Fair and balanced, but knows the difference between right and wrong;

      http://www.foxnews.com/

      http://www.americanthinker.com/

      Our 4th Estate has become 4th Rate. Ignore all British media completely, they are all partisan.

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  17. The Old Bloke says:
    January 5, 2015 at 9:04 pm

    The Unbelievable Truth on Radio 4 tonight had a dig (a joke) about Nigel Farage. Nobody else got it in the neck, just Nigel Farage. The thing is, this programme is a brain child of Graeme Garden, you know, him from The Goodies fame, and I have noticed that whenever he is on the radio in a quiz show/comedy quiz show, he always has a pop at UKIP or Nigel Farage and nobody else. Well guess what? He is actually a panellist on this show next week. I wonder what we can expect?

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  18. Fred Stubber says:
    January 5, 2015 at 9:15 pm

    There is hope

    The other day I acted as driver for someone who wanted to visit a social function. The function was not political; it was a fairly mixed group of people with a common hobby.
    Because it was quite a distance I decided to wait for my passenger rather than make two journeys, so I sat with a cuppa at the side of the large room, and of course, my ears flapped. There was a conversation about the BBC. Sample quotes: “I haven’t noticed it so much with drama, but on the news I just take it from granted.” “You have to take everything they say with a pinch of salt.” “I’ve given up on them to tell you the truth.” Of course I couldn’t resist this, so I hovered, and eventually joined the conversation. Several other people joined in, then the discussion group split, as they do, into several separate conversations. So before long half the room were carting on about the BBC’s bias! I was so pleased!

    Fred

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    • Richard Pinder says:
      January 6, 2015 at 2:03 am

      I have filled a scrap book with articles about BBC Bias, it started with articles from the Mail and the Express, but last year it was too much, it has even spread into science group newsletters and become a regular with published cartoons.
      But with a wall of censorship and protection of the BBC bubble from the Labour party and the Guardian and Independent newspapers, hardly anyone in the BBC would notice.

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      • Lynette says:
        January 6, 2015 at 12:43 pm

        People just don’t “think” that the BBC could be biased and that is the trouble with BBC bias – people just absorb and accept what they hear because they don’t know any better. I hope that this site will continue to give the facts that show how biased the BBC is on many subjects. This is the most useful and important aspect of this site. I have to refer friends and family to this site to back up what I say .

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  19. Charlatans says:
    January 5, 2015 at 9:36 pm

    Let us just analyse what Ed’s has offered us today – his actual comments in initial caps–
    PLUS WHAT ED FAILED TO TELL YOU IN TOTAL CAPS:

    We’re fighting for a Britain where everyone plays by fair rules, including the most powerful like energy companies and the banks.

    YOU KNOW LIKE MY TIME UNDER GORDON WHEN I WAS ENERGY SECRETARY AND REQUIRED ENERGY PRODUCERS TO MEET ‘RENEWABLE TARGETS’ THAT HAS PUT AN EXTRA £112 ON THE AVERAGE FAMILY ENERGY BILL.

    WITH MY LATEST PRICE FREEZE, IT WILL ALLOW PROVIDERS TO LOCK IN THEIR HIGHER PRICES BEFORE THE ELECTION, (NEVER MIND THE FUEL PRICE IS SINKING LIKE A BRICK) – HA HA THIS IS THE KNOWN AS THE LABOUR WAY!

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/10/the-seven-green-taxes-that-put-112-on-your-energy-bill-and-which-of-them-ed-miliband-brought-in/

    I WILL NO LONGER ‘LIGHT REGULATE’ THE BANKS AND LET THEM RUN RIOT LIKE ED AND I ALLOWED UNDER GORDON. HOPING YOU FORGOT ABOUT THAT NOW, (ALTHOUGH STILL TAKE A FEW YEARS TO PAY OFF DEFICIT AND YOUR GRAND KIDS TO PAY OFF THE DEBT -YOU KNOW £300 BN PFI FOR NHS FOR EXAMPLE) – THANKS DAVE AND NICK FOR GETTING THINGS STARTED BACK ON TRACK.

    And think what has happened to our NHS.
    Longer to wait to see your GP.
    Longer to wait in A&E.
    Longer to wait for an operation.
    An NHS without time to care.
    The Tories have damaged the NHS in these five years.

    YOU ONLY HAVE TO LOOK AT LABOUR WALES & MID STAFFS TO SEE HOW WE CAN MANAGE THE NHS! THE EXTRA PEOPLE TURNING UP AT A&E ALSO HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE 4 MILLION EXTRA PEOPLE WE HAVE IMPORTED OBVIOUSLY – COMBINED WITH THE NEW CONTRACTS WE ISSUED TO GPs UNDER TONY, CUTTING THEIR OUT OF HOURS SERVICE:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2893886/Brutal-gagging-NHS-whistleblowers-just-means-patients-die.html

    ……………………….That means raising the minimum wage to over £8 an hour and dealing with the scandal of zero hour contracts.

    WHICH WILL BE THE QUICKEST WAY TO BANKRUPT AS MANY NASTY SMALL TORY BUSINESS PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE.

    The Tories telling you there is a housing boom.
    But you not being able to afford a home of your own.

    UNFORTUNATELY UNDER TONY AND GORDON WE NEVER QUITE GOT ROUND TO BUILDING MORE THAN AN AVERAGE OF 19,000 NEW STARTS PER YEAR NOTWITHSTANDING WE WERE IMPORTING AN AVERAGE OF 225,000 NET IMMIGRANTS EACH YEAR:

    https://fullfact.org/blog/housing_house_building_grant_shapps-2943

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    • hadda says:
      January 5, 2015 at 10:00 pm

      Once upon a time politicians would craft their speeches with elegantly structured and coherent paragraphs and an overarching structure. Now we are served up monosyllabic sentence fragments, each apparently a paragraph by itself, separated by pregnant pauses and delivered with the most unctuous mock sincerity.

      Empty slogans delivered by the politically bankrupt as if to sway the intellectually unsophisticated. They address us as if we’re morons and then wonder why we have lost faith in them.

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  20. jackde says:
    January 5, 2015 at 9:37 pm

    http://tinyurl.com/p69ctxl
    Interesting piece from the Gatestone Institute “The Islamization of Britain in 2014”
    The Muslim population of Britain reached 3.4 million in 2014 to become around 5.3% of the overall population of 64 million, according to figures extrapolated from a recent study on the growth of the Muslim population in Europe. In real terms, Britain has the third-largest Muslim population in the European Union, after France and Germany.

    Islam and Islam-related issues were omnipresent in Britain during 2014, and can be categorized into four broad themes: 1) Islamic extremism and the security implications of British jihadists in Syria; 2) the continuing spread of Islamic Sharia law in Britain; 3) the sexual exploitation of British children by Muslim gangs; and 4) Muslim integration into British society.

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    • +James says:
      January 5, 2015 at 9:59 pm

      the BBC says…..

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    • Doublethinker says:
      January 6, 2015 at 11:27 am

      I don’t understand your fourth point re Muslim integration into British society. If they really were to integrate and adopt our value system, some of the threat would be removed, though by no means all. However, they show no sign of doing this and as their number increases it will become ever easier for them to live wholely separate lives to the rest of the population and for resentment ,mistrust and fear to grow on both sides.
      There are simply far too many immigrants in our country for us to absorb them in a cohesive manner. Labour’s social engineering experiment is likely to end in a disaster for all of us.

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  21. Dover Sentry says:
    January 5, 2015 at 9:38 pm

    No Mention of NHS CRISIS on Sky:
    http://news.sky.com/

    BBC Headlines NHS CRISIS:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/

    This is how Labour/BBC will fight the election.

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  22. Sinniberg says:
    January 5, 2015 at 9:45 pm

    There are continued anti-Islam protests in Germany being organised by a group called Pegida with the latest one amassing 17,500 people.

    I’m amazed the BBC are reporting this but when you read through the article it’s the usual biased, brain-washing, left-wing BBC stance.

    Once again, take note of the photos they’ve used.

    Two photos are vague German photos(one needs translated), but the other two(one is in clear English) are pro-immigration, anti-Pegida statements.

    Look at how the prominant “Refugees Welcome” photo jumps out at you and dominates the article.

    The top three paragraphs of the article explain briefly but without any detail, the background to the protests.

    The following seven paragraphs(with a bold pro-immigration photo) are given over to bashing Pegida and their concerns.

    As usual, anyone who dares to raise concerns is an “extremist”.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30685842

       37 likes

    • dave s says:
      January 5, 2015 at 9:58 pm

      A bit difficult for the BBC to ignore Pegida. The interesting thing I feel about a movement like Pegida is that it is emerging from the ruled and is reviled by the rulers. That seems unwise if history is any guide but this lot in power in Europe have little historical sense and an overweening belief in their infalibility. Switching lights off and abusing the demonstrators is very very stupid.
      The BBC report is standard half sneering garbage as expected.

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      • Dave666 says:
        January 5, 2015 at 11:48 pm

        “http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11326516/Lamps-go-out-all-over-Germany-in-backlash-against-anti-immigrant-protests.html” Did the lights go out ALL over Germany? I very much doubt it. Are the protesters looking isolated? I very much doubt it?

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        • Englands Dreaming says:
          January 6, 2015 at 9:14 am

          On the World Service this morning they had quite a big piece on Pegida, after the report they had an interview with a editor or assistant editor of a German paper (didnt catch which one) who said that the Pegida protesters are all racists even if they didnt consider themselves racist! At the end of the interview we were told this guy had written a book warning of violence against muslims by groups such as Pegida. No bias there then. We were also informed that later in the week they hope to have an interview with someone from Pegida, …dont hold your breath.

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          • Essex Man says:
            January 6, 2015 at 3:12 pm

            I see the air head bint reporting from Germany , is one of their` Children In Need` type of reporters ,normally reporting on fluffy , ooh arn`t they cute stories . The bald bloke Steve, (forgot his surname) is now in South Korea , he got the boot from Berlin , was previously in one of the Twin Towers on 9/11, as one of the planes hit . He escaped in the debris ,but had a lot more gravitas than the CIN bint , who was probably looking out for Pudsey Bear.

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      • Doublethinker says:
        January 6, 2015 at 11:35 am

        In France, Germany , Holland and Sweden the ordinary people, who have never been given a democratic choice on the mass immigration, are beginning to find their voice. The ruling elites and media have managed to keep the protests to a minimum for the past 10 or 20 years by all sorts of non democratic measures and lies, but the voice of the people is beginning to be heard. The lack of a democratic mandate for the policy of mass immigration was a devastating error. Trying to impose something on the people against their wishes is going to back fire spectacularly in the coming years. Labour and the BBC watch out, you are going to be called to account.

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    • flexdream says:
      January 5, 2015 at 10:37 pm

      Listen to what a German Jew has to say ..

         33 likes

      • jackde says:
        January 6, 2015 at 9:21 am

        Terrorism in France at http://tinyurl.com/lbeme7d
        and from the BBC
        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30586798
        There were three clear-cut terrorist incidents in France within the past two weeks, but the Government has come out and said that they were not terrorist incidents and they were not organized, but were carried out independently by “lone wolves.” No-one believes them, least of all the French people. At the same time the Government of M. Hollande is putting large numbers of police (gendarmerie) and armed forces out on the streets in an attempt to reassure the French people. It probably won’t work.

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        • Llareggub says:
          January 6, 2015 at 12:21 pm

          And the next step is not to attribute them to lone wolves, but to deny these events ever took place. Just an accident. Move on.

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          • Ken says:
            January 7, 2015 at 3:24 pm

            They can attribute them to lone wolves, to terrorists and even Islamic fanatics…. But not to Islam itself.

            The apologists are out in force already, defending Islam and the Extremely Violent Religion Of Peace.

            How come the tiny number of rare and unrepresentitive racist supporters of UKIP can be presented by the liberal progressive media as being completely typical and representitive of the whole of UKIP. Yet no matter how many thousands killed by followers of Islam who act in the name of Allah and the Prophet, in however many thousands of incidents, supported by a significantly sizeable minority of ordinary Muslims…. Yet these Islamic terrorists are still, apparently nothing to do with Islam and anyone claiming otherwise is a bigoted racist!

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  23. Deborah says:
    January 5, 2015 at 10:16 pm

    10pm BBC1 News on Monday, what was up with Balls? Whilst he was being asked a question his head was shaking up and down, just slightly but at twenty bounces or so to the minute. Not BBC bias because it really didn’t look good, just ridiculous. But as soon as he opened his gob to respond the rapid nodding ended, so not illness, just weird.

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    • The Old Bloke says:
      January 6, 2015 at 7:39 am

      Well spotted Deborah. It is just not Balls either. When a media correspondent is being asked of their opinion they do it also. Very strange but it seems generic!

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      • Lobster says:
        January 6, 2015 at 11:37 am

        I think the worst one with “nodding dog syndrome” is that bloke who is the travel correspondent with the Independent (Simon Calder?) who seems to be on speed dial with the BBC. By the way, is he the world’s only travel correspondent as I can’t remember another one ever being on?

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    • FYI says:
      January 6, 2015 at 12:43 pm

      He has a speech impediment, I think. The jiggling could be related – a nervous condition. If you listen carefully you’ll notice that he talks slightly oddly because he jumps in on the first syllable so he doesn’t get hung up on it. Makes him sound quite aggressive sometimes.
      So he deserves sympathy for that.

      None of which excuses him for cocking up the country last time around and wanting to do it some more and just generally being a git. IMHO.

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  24. thoughtful says:
    January 5, 2015 at 10:16 pm

    Confirmation bias

    Confirmation bias, also called myside bias, is the tendency to search for, remember, or interpret information in a way that confirms one’s beliefs or hypotheses. It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning. People display this bias when they gather or recall information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. People also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position. Biased search, interpretation and memory have been invoked to explain attitude polarization (when a disagreement becomes more extreme even though the different parties are exposed to the same evidence), belief perseverance (when beliefs persist after the evidence for them is shown to be false), the irrational primacy effect (a greater reliance on information encountered early in a series) and illusory correlation (when people falsely perceive an association between two events or situations).

    A series of experiments in the 1960s suggested that people are biased toward confirming their existing beliefs. Later work re-interpreted these results as a tendency to test ideas in a one-sided way, focusing on one possibility and ignoring alternatives. In certain situations, this tendency can bias people’s conclusions. Explanations for the observed biases include wishful thinking and the limited human capacity to process information. Another explanation is that people show confirmation bias because they are weighing up the costs of being wrong, rather than investigating in a neutral, scientific way.

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    • Richard Pinder says:
      January 6, 2015 at 3:39 am

      I avoided Confirmation Bias from the start, by asking the question “Have you experimentally proven how to calibrate Carbon Dioxide warming” The Climate science idiots gave me the MODTRAN results from the University of Chicago, an assumption based formula, stoked up by a computer model. Not the results from an atmospheric chamber, as I was expecting. As apparently you cannot get results for a calibration of CO2 from an atmospheric chamber with six walls, for an atmosphere with one wall. So Astronomers have had to rescue the reputation of the scientific method, trashed by the corrupt climate science fraudsters. See below.

      In Climate science, the arts-emotional left-wing and therefore biased, prejudiced & inferior brain, needs only two facts, cherry picked from the last quarter of the last Century, everything else must be blocked out by ignorance, or as they say, the debate is over.

      Any other facts such as:

      (1) The none proof for any causational link between those two facts.
      (2) The calibration of Carbon Dioxide warming using experimental analysis of the carbon dioxide atmospheres of Venus and Mars proving the failed Arrhenius method used in all those computer models, is a fictional fantasy, called an assumption. And then solving the above problem with Nikolov & Zeller‘s Unified Theory of Climate.
      (3) Then looking at Palle’s Luna Earthshine observations proving something that only Henrik Svensmark’s cloud albedo theory has answers for, the cause of Climate Change.

      And many more basic facts, must be censored. And that is the purpose of the IPCC, Tyndall Centre, Grantham Institute, Royal Society and many other institutions. Its also why the BBC’s environmental activists with poetry and languages qualifications, censor the science, scientists and scientific debate.

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      • Lynette says:
        January 6, 2015 at 7:13 am

        I think there is another direct and dangerous use of bias that the BBC uses to manipulate people into thinking the way they want them to think The .BBC uses the emotional play on people’s feelings . For example it limits immigration concerns by always giving emotional sympathy to immigrants and in this way anyone who feels otherwise is seen as nasty and callous. There is no room for rational arguments when the emotional strings to a story are played – This is a well calculated strategy and normally otherwise fair minded people would find it difficult to see through it.. Another example is the graphic pictures of dead Gazan children . No amount of reasoning about the fact that the people were leafleted and told by Israel to leave but Hamas deliberately put them in harms way would mitigate the emotional anger at Israel for killing them. This type of bias should be exposed as often as it can be for what it is — biased reporting at its very worst. See also http://netanyalynette.blogspot.co.il/2012/07/second-post-on-broadcasting-house.html

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      • The Old Bloke says:
        January 6, 2015 at 7:53 am

        Richard, I’m working through the Met Office U.K. weather station data from the start date of 1965. I’m collating the temp (max/min) for each month for each year since. I’m also collating the number of frost days per month also from said start date. I’ve yet to collate the sunshine hours and rainfall amounts. These data plots I will overlay with the known sunspot activity (radiation trends) also for the time data. Of what I have done so far (there is still much to do) there is a definite trend to sunspot activity and temperature trend. Simply put, the greater the sunspot activity the increase in recorded temperature, the less sunspot activity, the cooler the temperature. As I say I have yet to look at the correlation of the cloud cover to sunshine, but I’ll get there soon enough and i’m sure a trend based around sunspot/radiation activity will be found.. And of what I’ve done to date, we are getting colder guys, there are more air frost days than ever before and the mean upper temperatures and cold temperatures are decreasing. As yet, I can see no correlation between any supposed warming and climate change based on the increase in Co2. I just cannot see it from any of my data plots done so far since my start date of 1965

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      • reddit57 says:
        January 6, 2015 at 8:01 am

        “Not the results from an atmospheric chamber, as I was expecting. ” – That’s pretty much the definition of confirmation bias right there.

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        • The Old Bloke says:
          January 6, 2015 at 10:03 am

          No it is not. Confirmation Bias is based on preconception and or hypothesis not scientific result.

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          • Steve Jones says:
            January 6, 2015 at 12:40 pm

            TOB,

            reddit 57 doesn’t understand the point you are making about computer model output and real data from observation.

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            • johnnythefish says:
              January 6, 2015 at 7:32 pm

              reddit57 has fallen into the same trap as previous BBC defenders who have tried to be clever about climate science issues.

              Let’s hope he comes back for more and includes a defence of 28gate whilst he’s at it.

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        • Richard Pinder says:
          January 6, 2015 at 6:30 pm

          Confirmation Bias, is when an assumption can be confirmed by a computer model, using the same assumptions in the computer program. A loony circular confirmation process that I first came across in 1981, when I learned how to fool the family about family knowledge with a ZX81 program.
          So I instantly knew the value of the expected facts, was let down by the circular assumptions in computer models.

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          • johnnythefish says:
            January 6, 2015 at 7:34 pm

            Confirmation bias also underpinned Michael Mann’s computer code and selective use of (and corruption of some) data sets in the production of his ‘hockey stick’.

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  25. brett says:
    January 5, 2015 at 11:03 pm

    Anyone see news at ten? Anti muslim protests in Germany, covered by the wierd looking woman with the head that looks like it’s been in a vice who last week was reporting on the football. Anyway, the report focused on the counter demo’s, of course. White European folk have had enough, why would we want to go back a thousand years after making all this progress. The bbbc would be the first to feel the pain if muslim rule occurred, dangerous game to play fellas!

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  26. outsider says:
    January 6, 2015 at 7:39 am

    Re the reporting of the Evans case:

    where was the BBC’s outrage when savile was running amok through hospitals, care homes, and indeed its own corridors?

    .

       18 likes

    • Thoughtful says:
      January 6, 2015 at 8:42 am

      The issue unmentioned here or on the BBC about any rape case is the way that Tony BLiars party changed the law to make rape convictions easier, with a lesser burden of proof, and how the Feminazis want to lower that even further.

      The jury found that Ched Evans had little to no regard to WHETHER SHE COULD CONSENT.

      So there’s no issue about whether gave consent which to my mind was given when she consented to go to the room with him. If she was able to make a decision to go to a room, and consent to sex with a second man then she was able to consent to sex with Evans.

      His crime, it would appear is simply not making an assessment of whether her drunken state compromised her ability to give consent !

      How long is it going to be before males are expected to ask for written signed consent with a medical examination by a qualified professional as to whether the woman was capable of giving that consent !

      It’s yet another example of the law being changed by the Fascist left to exonerate women of any kind of responsibility for their actions.
      Where is that mythical cut off point where she has capacity and where she does not? In driving there is a hard limit, but setting something is anathema to the Feminazis who want to be free to argue even one drink is enough.

      I don’t know why they don’t just come out and say what they are wanting, that any man is guilty of rape whenever a woman says he is, and she should not have to be put through any nasty trial or cross examination.

         29 likes

      • pah says:
        January 6, 2015 at 3:57 pm

        I think you have it the wrong way around. McDonald picked the girl up and took her to the hotel room. He was then tagged by Evans and left the room. McDonald was found not guilt because there was a presumption that the woman had consented to sex by going to his room, why else did she go there? Evans was found guilty because she was judged to have not consented to sex with him as she was too drunk to do so.

        There are a lot of worrying aspects to this case but the order in which they tagged her was not in dispute.

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  27. outsider says:
    January 6, 2015 at 7:55 am

    Maybe as an olive branch to preserve the outrageous source and scale of its funding, the bbc might propose to close down its ‘news’ department.

    I mean it’s hopeless at just about everything of course, but nowhere does it disgrace itself more than in its ‘news’ reporting.

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  28. AsISeeIt says:
    January 6, 2015 at 8:23 am

    Nick Clegg on the NHS interviewed on tv at 8.20 this morning :
    ‘I wouldn’t describe it as a crisis’

    Never mind BBC, your so-called reporting is still perfectly in line with Labour and the Greens election campaigns.

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  29. Jeff Waters says:
    January 6, 2015 at 8:24 am

    Labour will tax middle-class homeowners in England to fund NHS in Scotland –

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11326531/Labour-will-tax-middle-class-homeowners-in-England-fund-NHS-in-Scotland.html

    A hugely embarrassing gaffe, so why are the BBC so quiet about it?

       27 likes

  30. outsider says:
    January 6, 2015 at 8:40 am

    I’m just thinking maybe the govt should inaugurate a ‘migrant’s day’, in the light of the massive transformation this country has experienced recently.

    it would enable the stupid and racist natives to truly show their pride and gratitude for english cities – in many cases – becoming outposts for far more advanced, civilised and peaceful cultures.

    And I dare say that if there’s any resistance to the idea of a migrant’s day on the part of the unenlightened, uninclusive and non-progressive natives, the beeb will be on-hand to manage the narrative!

       24 likes

    • regag says:
      January 6, 2015 at 11:37 am

      I think the beeb-preferred date for such celebrations would probably be 23 April.

         8 likes

    • ManchesterLad says:
      January 6, 2015 at 2:23 pm

      An excellent idea!

      The left could offer their teenage daughters for ‘diversity celebration’ with gangs of youths from a certain religion of peace. I expect pre-pubescent boys would be in hot demand too.

      How gloriously diverse. It makes me proud to be British.

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  31. outsider says:
    January 6, 2015 at 8:50 am

    Further, we might also have an ‘EU day’ to give thanks to our dear leaders, possibly incorporating a common purpose element, too.

    And finally, we shouldn’t forget those who have worked so selflessly and tirelessly in protecting the nation’s most vulnerable children.

    Labour councils, the main stream media, the po etc could all be honoured with some sort of ‘British Children in Care day’.

       15 likes

  32. AsISeeIt says:
    January 6, 2015 at 9:22 am

    Today the BBC is keen to impress on me how ‘very controversial’ the German Pegida protests are. I think that what the BBC reporter means is that it is about to be very difficult for her to fairly report on the issue. Given the BBC’s self-admitted heavy slant toward ‘muliticulturalism’ and quite open advocacy in favour of mass migration, yes I can sympathise with her discomfort.

    I really can’t (and shouldn’t) expect to hear both sides of the issue fairly reported by the BBC.

    However, one small point is worth noting. Our BBC reporter talked up the ‘anti’ demonstrations. The lights were turned off at the Brandenburg Gate. Not so much a popular demo as a City/Governmental response then?

    Oh, and we see footage of the lights going out at a Cathedral. I can’t help but think that particular guesture is rather symbolic in a way the church authorities may not have properly thought through.

       39 likes

    • Old Goat says:
      January 6, 2015 at 9:27 am

      The way things are going, I see the lights, eventually, going out across the land…

         27 likes

    • outsider says:
      January 6, 2015 at 9:43 am

      The german luminaries who control the lightswitches must have had common purpose on the phone, barking orders..

         22 likes

    • Roland Deschain says:
      January 6, 2015 at 10:24 am

      It’s interesting that they’ve only started reporting on this once they’ve got some counter-demonstrations to report on as well.

         34 likes

      • Llareggub says:
        January 6, 2015 at 2:49 pm

        With their close ties to the UAF the BBC need look no further than their Facebook page for evidence of an heroic counter demonstration to any far right protest.
        https://www.facebook.com/UAFpage

           3 likes

      • Guest Who says:
        January 6, 2015 at 5:55 pm

        Wonder if the BBC has yet figured out a way to report counter-demos they like without actually mentioning their targets (clearly not liked)?

           4 likes

        • JohnM says:
          January 6, 2015 at 7:19 pm

          On the R4 6pm news the BBC gave that (if I remember the numbers correctly) there were 18,000 PEGIDA marchers at DRESDEN but 50,000 ELSEWHERE..

          I.E. They failed to give the total pro-PEGIDA marchers for the rest of Germany.

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    • richard D says:
      January 6, 2015 at 11:28 am

      I heard a snippet of this on the BBC this morning…. the BBC moppet breathlessly saying that the marchers were claiming that they were not being racist in the slightest, followed by the comment…”but there were right-wing marchers in the protest and racist comments were being thrown around.” (or words to that effect).

      Now, you will note that the moppet tries to conflate ‘right-wing’ (not even ‘extreme right wing’)with ‘racism’. Any comparable left-wing protest groups marching are said to be at the mercy of a small group of extremists who do not represent the majority of the marchers. But if the pattern of protest does not meet with the BBC’s approval, why , they just smear everyone not on the left with, effectively, an ‘extremist’ brush.

         26 likes

    • chrisH says:
      January 6, 2015 at 5:41 pm

      Note too-absolutely no mention yet of the comparative numbers in the two rival demonstrations.
      Bet the churches turn off the lights so we can`t all see the vast numbers who attend the demos…and doubtless the four dozen agitprop lefty activists who marched for Muslimism can be cropped, recropped, recounted , scaled up and then checked by Saddams ex-returning officer or the TUC/Met….whichever is the bigger liar.
      It`ll end up as the million eunuchs march by the time they`ve given us their photos, their estimates.

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  33. Old Goat says:
    January 6, 2015 at 9:31 am

    Lots about the apparent NHS desperation this morning, yet not once did I hear anyone mention the fact that perhaps there are a lot more people about than before, and that perhaps many of them didn’t really belong in the Former UK, yet were hurling themselves at A & E…

       42 likes

    • outsider says:
      January 6, 2015 at 9:39 am

      indeed – quite remarkable the beeb never, ever speculates on why some of these public services are becoming overwhelmed.

      Their lack of curiosity in such matters, as the state broadcaster, is shameful and reflects their contempt for their viewers.

      And by the way it’s time we knew how much they pay their ‘talent’ in the ‘news’ department. I suspect some of the packages are eye-watering.

         41 likes

      • Merched Becca says:
        January 6, 2015 at 10:06 am

        Simples !
        The National Health Service has evolved and become the International Health Service.

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        • johnnythefish says:
          January 6, 2015 at 7:46 pm

          Exactly.

          A truly impartial news organisation – as the BBC claims to be – would ask any NHS spokesperson in for interview the obvious question: ‘You are complaining about the increased numbers you are having to treat in A and E so how an you justify your refusal to help the government control health tourism?’

             11 likes

      • Mustapha Sheikup al-Beebi says:
        January 6, 2015 at 10:08 am

        I listened to “The Today Programme” on Radio 4 from about 07:20 up to 08:30 (when their review of parliament begins); much talk about the NHS and the situation in A&E.

        There was one reference to increased numbers of older people with respiratory problems going to hospitals but, other than that, no explanation as to WHY there was so much more demand at A&E. I kept waiting for answers to the WHY and WHO questions … but these were not asked. Nobody reported flu or Noro virus problems and I don’t think there can have been many falls on the non-existent snow and ice in Gloucestershire (where Cheltenham General and the Gloucester Royal Hosp’ had declared ‘major incidents’).

           30 likes

        • richard D says:
          January 6, 2015 at 11:40 am

          The BBC does not ‘do’ investigative reporting any more….at least where their supporters and their supported are concerned (note the lack of inquisitiveness regarding such things as Saville, Andy Burnham’s responsibilities in Staffordshire NHS, Hamas human shields, Labour’s responsibilities in the only recession this century, UK immigration numbers in the mid-2000’s, the poor ‘unarmed youth’ shot by the police in St Louis, etc., etc.)

          But woe betide you if you aren’t part of the BBC mindset…. they will cling on to the slightest hint of a smidgeon of a possible fault and blare it across their headline news for days on end, devoting as much resource as they possibly can in order to ‘get’ their targets….. and even when proved wrong… well, ‘there can’t be any smoke without fire’ weasel words are the BBC’s constant get-out clause.

             28 likes

          • outsider says:
            January 6, 2015 at 4:03 pm

            That neatly sums-up the utter pointlessness of the bbc having a sprawling ‘news’ department, employing many thousands of people on nice salaries, nice pensions, and nice expense accounts.

               15 likes

            • Merched Becca says:
              January 6, 2015 at 6:54 pm

              Close Al Beeb down and turn all the money saved into training up home grown doctors and nurses.
              Two problems solved !

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  34. Judge Dread says:
    January 6, 2015 at 9:41 am

    Major News Alert !!!! on BBC ‘Blue Peter’ Breakfast this morning :-
    Stephen Fry is to marry his toy boy Elliott, but no mention of him being thirty years younger.
    Oh the diversity, Oh the joy in Beebland.

       40 likes

    • D1004 says:
      January 6, 2015 at 10:46 am

      Bbc Norfolk has the pictures ! A rather emotional looking Mr Fry alongside his young (27) man, who does not look emotional.
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-30693048

      Must read the Guardian on line tomorrow, they are bound to have a comment piece on the desire of old men to marry much younger partners and how this is bad male behaviour.
      The question now is; will he get the full cover treatment from Hello! or have to make do with a page or two towards the back of the day he gets his man?

         13 likes

    • Steve Jones says:
      January 6, 2015 at 11:53 am

      Let’s hope that Mr Fry invites all of his gay and lesbian friends from the BBC to the wedding.

         12 likes

    • Rob in Cheshire says:
      January 6, 2015 at 4:16 pm

      I wonder what attracted him to the millionaire Stephen Fry?

         16 likes

      • D1004 says:
        January 6, 2015 at 9:23 pm

        What attracts any young bride to a very much older and richer partner ? Obviously their delightful well adjusted personality, not the nice lifestyle, the money or the thought that all things must end with an old persons departure…..

           5 likes

  35. Charlatans says:
    January 6, 2015 at 9:59 am

    Judge Dread – they did actually mention the age difference on BBC 24 – freeview channel 130.

       6 likes

  36. Angrymanupnorth says:
    January 6, 2015 at 10:16 am

    Pedant alert!

    No Bias, but atypical BBC dumb-assery. BBC News 24, just before 10.00.

    We are “getting an extra second”. Wow. (no we are not. The world clock is being adjusted, by one second, in June this year.)

    The extra second will put the earth back on its proper orbit, (because the earth has drifted off course?)! (No it won’t. Clocks are just being changed.)

    Cool. The incredible powers of the government and their agencies to influence all of reality, including the motions of celestial bodies!

    Or maybe they are just fractionally adjusting the world clock?

       26 likes

    • Steve Jones says:
      January 6, 2015 at 12:12 pm

      I wouldn’t class your comments as pedantry merely the observations of somebody with a knowledge of science. That the BBC can spout this ignorant nonsense is indicative of the almost total lack of scientific knowledge amongst the arts educated clowns it employs.

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      • Mustapha Sheikup al-Beebi says:
        January 6, 2015 at 1:06 pm

        See Swift’s “Gulliver’s Travels” and the mysterious ‘Flying Island of Laputa’, which the government allegedly used to eclipse rebels into submission! Swift would have been amused.

        Leap seconds are by convention added at the end of 31/12/yy or 30/6/yy to get our official clocks back in tune with the actual spin of the Earth on its axis, as the Earth has since the early 1900s been taking fractionally longer to get back to the ‘starting line’ for another ‘lap’ round the Sun. They are nothing new and frequently used.

        One effect that amateur observers might notice is that predicted paths for future total solar eclipses (especially those many years away, e.g. that of 2151 over the UK) have to be revised to take account of the slowing of the Earth’s rotation. Locations previously predicted to be just marginally within the full lunar shadow won’t quite make the appointment (unless the Earth speeds up again!)

           11 likes

        • Angrymanupnorth says:
          January 6, 2015 at 10:54 pm

          Good Info Mustapha. Thanks.

             1 likes

        • Disgusted of Essex says:
          January 7, 2015 at 11:19 am

          Has anyone suggested that there may be a link to climate change? It wouldn’t be the first time – remember that dozy deskbound bint that asked if the meteorite that was seen over Russia was a result of global warming…

             5 likes

          • Essex Man says:
            January 7, 2015 at 12:15 pm

            And the 2004 tsunami , probably the same thick bint , thought it was to do with `Global Warming`

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  37. BBC Drone says:
    January 6, 2015 at 10:34 am

    Attack on UKIP from auntie (note final couple of paragraphs):
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/30538929

       8 likes

    • D1004 says:
      January 6, 2015 at 11:37 am

      Bbc leaving no stone unturned in its search for any discrimination towards yet another racial minority. You thought you’d been beastly to the West Indians, the Africans, the pakistani’s etc etc but now we find you’ve been beastly to the Chinese as well…… The N word, the P word, and now the C word. Sorry but as an old guy I am starting to get confused by all this use of single letter signifiers of naughty words, I mean it’s hard having a conversation these days without getting confused, example; ” see that fat N-word over there ?” ” no which one ?” ” The one standing next to that stupid C-word and that ugly little P-word ” , ” oh him, what about him?” Well, he’s a f***ing Manc supporter ain’t he ? ” is he ? Fat f***er ! ” .( sorry ChrisH, I only jest, you mancs are quite loveable really )
      Back to the story, well, apparently growing up in the North can be quite grim, what with being the only chi*k in the village you get called ‘ chi*ky’ funnily enough. And the local bad boys chuck rocks at your Take Away, mind I thought that was just boredom in general, not blatant white racism. Still to the bbc it’s all vile racism, as shown by Nigel and Kerry Smith using it, hence the point of the story, sticking it to UKIP in any way possible with the election coming………..
      Locking at it from a different angle, I worked for the Post Office for years in Wolverhampton and all and sundry called me ‘Sheep Shagger’ ‘ Sheepie ‘ or just SS, including all the Sikh’s who worked there, one in particular Surinder Singh, used to bellow at the top of his voice ” SS ! ” when he saw me walking towards him and I used to call it back to him at it was also his initials. If only I’d realised then as I do now, of course I was a victim of disgusting racism towards me, and dear old Surindar was not a great mate, but a horrible person trying to batter my ethnicity. These days thanks to the bbc I have seen the light, not a group of different people getting on but a hot bed of racism, thanks bbc, thanks a lot.
      PS anyone ever read ‘Bonfire of the Vanities’ ?, worth a read.

         33 likes

  38. Umbongo says:
    January 6, 2015 at 10:37 am

    In the newspaper review on Today this morning, Humphrys referred to the screaming headlines in the Times and Telegraph about Jim Murphy’s announcement that Labour’s London mansion tax would pay for 1,000 extra nurses. Oddly, although Humphys mentioned that Murphy was the Scottish Labour leader, he failed to point out the main point of the story: that these “1,000 nurses” are to work in the Scottish NHS ie that taxes raised almost solely in England will be used to support purely Scottish expenditure.

       38 likes

  39. Jeff Waters says:
    January 6, 2015 at 10:56 am

    Police drop rape inquiry against MP Mark Pritchard – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30693079

    I was reading this article, expecting to see some bias, but was pleasantly surprised. Until I came to the last sentence, that is:

    ‘He has dismissed reports in recent months that he could possibly defect to UKIP.’

    Superb, BBC. This is completely irrelevant to the story, but you include it anyway to connect a man accused of rape with UKIP.

    Real subtle…

       44 likes

    • Umbongo says:
      January 6, 2015 at 12:06 pm

      A remarkably incurious BBC here: why was Prichard arrested in the first place? Was he going to make a run for it to rapist central Pakistan? Why did Speaker Bercow (clue: Pritchard loathes Bercow and makes no secret of the fact) – almost unprecedently – release a purely formal police note to the effect that an MP had been arrested?
      Also, the police and the BBC imply that he was probably guilty as alleged but that unfortunately “. . . police said on Tuesday that he would face no further action as there was “insufficient evidence””. OTOH, a police statement to the effect that there was no basis for the allegation would have necessitated action against the person making the prima facie false accusations. That, of course, would never do and, accordingly, the person making the allegation remains anonymous.
      Maybe the BBC, happy to release names of possible victims in the “Blow Job Crisis” involving Prince Andrew, should ask why those making allegations which the police in the UK can’t stand up should escape being named. It’s more than possible that other allegations by the same persons will/have been made and – a la Pritchard – cause the person(s) accused extremely nasty weeks/months/years until the police announce that there’s “insufficient evidence” to proceed.

         21 likes

  40. George R says:
    January 6, 2015 at 10:58 am

    BBC-NUJ, censors how illegal immigrants (its ‘migrants’):-

    contaminate our food, increase risk to our health, put up costs-

    “Food supplies threatened by illegal immigrants hiding in lorries leaving Calais.
    “Fresh food supplies coming into Calais are being threatened by migrants.
    “Truckloads of produce are being destroyed if stowaways are found inside.
    “Large quantities of veg over Christmas was condemned due to migrants.
    “Home Secretary to hold urgent meeting with ‘worried’ food industry.”
    By JAMES SLACK
    FOR THE DAILY MAIL.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2898030/Now-Calais-migrants-threaten-imports-fruit-vegetables-Entire-truckload-destroyed-illegal-migrant-inside.html#ixzz3O2OycEos

       24 likes

    • outsider says:
      January 6, 2015 at 4:15 pm

      George, I refer you to the BBC’s uncodified but nonetheless core principle:

      ‘No cost is too great for open borders’.

         11 likes

  41. George R says:
    January 6, 2015 at 11:15 am

    I think we know which side Beeboids politically support:-

    “Germany Pegida protests: Rallies over ‘Islamisation'”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30685842

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  42. Angrymanupnorth says:
    January 6, 2015 at 11:32 am

    BBC reports on Protests in Germany.

    The reports are obfuscatory and biased:

    ‘18,000 protest against Islamification of Europe on the streets of Dresden.’

    However, the report interchanges the words ‘islamification’, ‘immigration’ and ‘aslylum seekers’ in its narrative.

    We are advise by the BBC that ‘Counter Protests’ also took place. Evidently, the church also ‘Counter Protested’ by turning off the lights in certain cathedrals. If this is true, then surely the church is acting to promote the islamification of Europe? Isn’t the church in the business of promoting Christianity? Logic would dictate that the church would be sympathetic to PEDIGA surely?

    The BBC are not clear on the nature of the ‘counter protests’, whether they are supportive of islamification, whether they are protesting against the right of others to protest, whether they are islamists. Nadda. Zilch. No clarity.

    The BBC are clear however, with quotes from Angela Merkel, and an ‘analysis’ from a go-to pseudoscientist from [Birmingham I think], that the PEDIGA protestors are ‘racist’ and ‘islamophobic’. Nazis even.

    “..They say they are not racists, but there were some right wing views expressed..” Jane Hill, BBC. Oh, so right wingers are racist by definition?

    “..In Dresden there are very few Muslims….” . And I guess Jane, that is how the locals want it to stay.

    “..There is a real fear of the debate…” Yes Jane, with left wing fascists like you and your Beeboid buddies. Some people would rather discuss these matters before, rather than after the event. Those people will be called names [racist, bigot, fascist, nazi, etc] by the likes of BBC reporters and government representatives. Never, never be afraid of debate. Jaw jaw, not war war, right?

    BBC. No competence, no intelligence, no morality, no future.

       42 likes

    • George R says:
      January 6, 2015 at 12:31 pm

      Supplementary.

      “Germany’s anti-Islamisation sentiment isn’t going to disappear any time soon.”

      By Melanie McDonagh.

      http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/12/ge/

         17 likes

    • Roland Deschain says:
      January 6, 2015 at 1:33 pm

      “Isn’t the church in the business of promoting Christianity?”

      What made you think that? Have they been turning the lights off to highlight the plight of Christians in the Middle East?

         27 likes

    • Angrymanupnorth says:
      January 7, 2015 at 4:10 pm

      Correction to above posting. BBC journalist was Jenny Hill, not Jane Hill.

         3 likes

    • London Calling says:
      January 8, 2015 at 9:51 am

      Didn’t take the BBC long to whisk up “Muslims fear Islamophobia” in the wake of Muslims slaughtering journalists:

      Paris shooting: ‘Attack will stigmatise Muslims’
      7 hours ago

      The 11th Arrondissement, in Paris, where the attack against Charlie Hebdo satirical magazine took place, is home to many French Muslims.

      “Some said they were worried that the recent terror attack will have an impact on the way Muslims and Islam are perceived in France.”

      Too bloody right. Seeing them for what they are. Got to love the “Some said…” Make up anything you want to say and attribute it to “some say” Worth every penny of the license fee.

         5 likes

  43. Angrymanupnorth says:
    January 6, 2015 at 11:34 am

    Carol Walker: on Mark Prichard. 24Hr rolling Bollox. The most predictable news article this year following the well publicised reporting by the BBC of ‘the arrest of Mark Pritchard MP’ on the 4th of December.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30331569

    “Investigation dropped”….”..insufficient evidence..” . No Carol, the investigation has concluded. No charges are to be brought. Perhaps, there is no evidence. Carol Walker, another ‘all men are rapists’ merchant. No smoke without fire, etc.

    Get up to Rotherham Carol, and do some proper reporting! Not only smoke up there, you might find raging infernos. If you looked.

       40 likes

    • D1004 says:
      January 6, 2015 at 11:45 am

      Don’t be silly, she’d have to change trains at Sheffield Midland and get on one of those horrible 4 wheeled Pacer cattle truck things to get to Rotherham, which have neither First Class nor a Resturant car serving fine wines and a 3 course luncheon.
      Either that or get a taxi, mind that might be useful for her to quickly get to the thrust of the story, if you pardon the expression.

         29 likes

      • Angrymanupnorth says:
        January 6, 2015 at 11:58 am

        Indeed. She certainly looks like she’d benefit from getting the thrust of the problem. Bit old for those Rotherham Toy-boys though I guess.

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  44. noggin says:
    January 6, 2015 at 11:55 am

    There have been quite number of protests, in Germany with no violence, largely peaceful …
    A ahem … “counter” protest, and it gets called off?
    … erm …. possible violence? conflict?

    But there have been others anti Islam demo s no problem?
    uh oh! … do the math, people.
    Political decision to suddenly turn swathes of street lights, landmark, cathedral lights off? … uh oh!
    yep! … political!
    not the German “man in the street”, the same abject, contempt, wilful ignorance of reality, as Camoron and his No10 traitors here

    “Survey finds one in three Germans supports ‘anti-Islamisation’ PEGIDA marches” January 1, 2015:
    “An opinion poll has found that one in eight Germans would join marches against ‘Islamisation’ if one were held in their home town”

    http://www.dw.de/survey-finds-one-in-three-germans-supports-anti-islamization-pegida-marches/a-18166667?maca=en-rss-en-all-1573-rdf

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  45. Dave666 says:
    January 6, 2015 at 12:22 pm

    Just turned on the BBc news 24. I know but the cat was scratching her reflection in the TV screen when it was off. Just in time to watch a massive party political broadcast on behalf of the Liebour party concerning the NHS. Among the usual given reasons a older and growing older population who need more care. Yes who were part of what was a decreasing overall population. No mention of course of immigration playing any part of this.

       32 likes

  46. Aerfen says:
    January 6, 2015 at 12:31 pm

    Radio Five exploiting the problem at A&E departments to ‘blame’ the ‘ageing population’. Of course no mention of our heaving population growth or the fact that many foreigners do not bother registering with a GP and thus have no alternative to A&E should they have a minor accident.

       31 likes

    • #88 says:
      January 6, 2015 at 12:48 pm

      I sensed that in his phone in this morning Gameshow was carefully riding shotgun to ensure that people sharing his sentiments enjoyed a long drawn out cuddle – including the guy who would ‘take up arms’ to protect the NHS (obviously first having swallowed the Miliband / Burnham line that it was in danger).

      The York Hosptial executive was soon off the air, though, when he pointed out that the cause of our problems go back seven years and the failure to properly plan the training-up of doctors we needed.

      Gameshow, might have many failings, but the one thing that he is razor sharp at is mental arithmetic – able to work out in the blink of an eye that 7 from 2014 is 2007. He knew where that conversation might be heading.

      Gameshow might call his programme ‘Your Call’ but at the end of the day, it’s ‘His call’.

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    • JoShaw says:
      January 6, 2015 at 12:54 pm

      BBC TV news is the same.

      Are old people also responsible for swamping maternity facilities? Obviously a non starter, which is why we hear so little about the problem.

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      • Aerfen says:
        January 6, 2015 at 12:59 pm

        And I am not convinced that the SMALL increaes in the number of old people is to blame for the swamping of A&E depts, not when compared to the general increase in population . It is surely a factor but relatively a small one. Life expectancy has been slowly increasing for decades, there hasnt been a sudden ‘leap’ so no reason to believe there is a sudden massive increaes in numbers of elderly.
        There has certainly been a massive leap in numbers of immigrants, some of which do not even register with a GP.

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        • JoShaw says:
          January 6, 2015 at 1:11 pm

          Agree. IMO, a sensible person treats any sudden change with suspicion.

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        • Geoff says:
          January 6, 2015 at 1:24 pm

          Well said, even if it were true, them’s the people who have paid in since day one and are fully deserving of the NHS, not someone who arrived last week, last month or last year.

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          • Steve Jones says:
            January 6, 2015 at 3:56 pm

            Put a UK Border Agency desk at the entrance to every A&E and see if that affects the numbers turning up.

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  47. Umbongo says:
    January 6, 2015 at 12:42 pm

    The reports that I saw on the BBC1 and BBC24 news mentioned “thousands” of PEGIDA marchers yesterday. The Times this morning reported that the German police estimated there were 18,000+ marchers (ie more than last week). The Times also reported that “in Berlin, several hundred Pegida supporters gathering at the Brandenburg Gate found that the city turned off its floodlights in disapproval and were vastly outnumbered by Turkish and anti-fascist groups [my bold]”. How neat that Pegida’s point – that their country is being islamised – is thereby confirmed. AFAIAA the BBC has not reported the ethnic make-up of the counter-demonstrators.

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    • Joeb says:
      January 6, 2015 at 9:51 pm

      He presented an episode of Newsnight (in which he was, somewhat ironically, dressed as a fat Tory MP circa 1985) so I can shoehorn James O’Brien of LBC radio into this.

      He was apoplectic with rage about PEGIDA on his show this morning.

      For O’Brien, PEGIDA are the equivalent of the SS Einsatzgruppen and the Geheime Staatspolizei rolled into one.

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  48. George R says:
    January 6, 2015 at 12:48 pm

    “Rotherham Council and South Yorkshire Police refuse to publish child abuse reports”

    http://www.southyorkshiretimes.co.uk/news/local/rotherham-council-and-south-yorkshire-police-refuse-to-publish-child-abuse-reports-1-7032082

    Will Labour Party-supporting Beeboids try to keep quiet about this too, in Election year?

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    • Doublethinker says:
      January 6, 2015 at 4:02 pm

      If this were a case of whites raping ethnics the BBC et al would screaming the house down demanding to see the reports and probably using their lefty contacts to get hold of copies. Why are they silent now? Even they can’t think that they can bury Rotherham surely? On the other hand they have managed to manipulate the news very successfully for decades , so they probably think it worth a try.
      They really are disgusting.

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    • outsider says:
      January 6, 2015 at 11:20 pm

      good info.
      In response to your question: we can almost certainly conclude that careers and pensions mean more to bbc people than the welfare of children. They’ve demonstrated that already.

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  49. Angrymanupnorth says:
    January 6, 2015 at 1:16 pm

    BBC World News. Just before midday.

    Global warming propaganda bias continues…..

    In support of the IPCC, the UN and our treacherous government in their ongoing policies [the ‘Carbon Economy’] to remove wealth from the poor in rich countries to give to the rich in poor countries, the BBC continues to ignore real science and continues to fail to inform us on the deficit of data and knowledge in ‘climate science’, let alone the lack of consensus as to what the implications, if any, may be of ‘Anthropogenic Carbon Emissions’ .

    Airtime given to an Australian spacca. (Spacca is a term used in English schools in the 1970’s, roughly translated as ‘idiot spouting gibberish’) I’m not sure if its legal to use the term spacca anymore.

    Anyway, the Australian Global warmest confirmed that the world is hotting up (..erm. Not according to hard data), that this is due to ‘pumping’ CO2 into the atmosphere (…pump, pump…), that this is ‘keeping’ higher temperatures in the atmosphere (..erm. Please look at the data… http://wattsupwiththat.com/ ). As greenhouse gases go, CO2 is not the major player. Water vapour is the major player and as a species, we humans have yet to scrape the surface of understanding our own ‘antropogenic’ impact on the earth’s climate.

    Drip, drip, misinformation. Drip, drip, fearmongering. Drip, drip, alarmist ignorance. What chance of real informative journalism in the field of energy production, environment, weather and climate from the BBC?

    BBC. No interest in facts, truth, humanity. No understanding of or respect for science. No future.

    Scrap the telly tax.

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    • Conan the Contrarian says:
      January 7, 2015 at 11:40 am

      I see that the B BC now routinely describes car attacks, and I slamic bombings as ‘accidents’ or ‘suicide bombings’ with no description of any religious or factional attributions whatsoever….so that , in the viewers minds, we conflate these events with other ‘normal’ criminal acts.
      Well, how are they going to describe the attack in Paris today when (it seems likely) that RoP adherents shot dead 10 members of staff of a satirical magazine .

      Was this an ‘accident’??

      They really do think we’re stupid.

      Abolish the license fee and let them peddle their leftliberal twaddle in the market-place.

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      • Red Sonia says:
        January 8, 2015 at 3:31 pm

        ‘describes car attacks, and I slamic bombings as ‘accidents’ or ‘suicide bombings’ ‘

        Hang on…they’ve described Islamic bombings as ‘accidents’?! when was this?

        You may well object to car attacks and Islamic bombings being described as ‘suicide bombings’, but you can hardly blame the BBC for the invention or use of the term.

        Suicide Bombings have no description of any religious attributions, true. But nor does your ‘car attacks’. An its not like you won’t have heard’ Islamic extremist’, ‘Jihadist’ etc

        Suggesting the Charlie Hebdo attacks would be described as an ‘accident’ is pretty stupid.
        Maybe that’s why people treat you like your stupid?

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        • Conan the Contrarian says:
          January 8, 2015 at 9:12 pm

          Note the time of my comment…it had just happened.
          Oh, and the use of the word ‘or’ ?

          As you well know, B BC Troll, it took INBBC hours before they associated the attack with I slamists ,despite the widely available reports from early on , of the shouts of the Arabic version of ‘ God is Greater’ and ‘The prophet has been avenged’.
          Usual INBBC obfuscation and diversionary reporting.
          As to the ad hominem -‘That’s why people treat you like your (SIC) stupid’……. WTF??
          Go back to your Leftist fantasies and leave the grown-ups alone.

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  50. Geoff says:
    January 6, 2015 at 1:18 pm

    As with Radio 5, we get Jeremy Vine’s 30 minute take on over crowded A&E depts.

    Over live to our reporter outside Gloucester General (why?) he tells us its the ageing population, quick succession bank holidays, problems with the 111 service and drunks, that takes us into the theme for the half hour… ‘should we ban drunks from A&E depts?’

    Wheel on NHS expert, he tells us drunks are a problem, then police expert who tells us that he doesn’t have the manpower to cope with drunks and already there have been 12 murders this year that they’re having to cope with….

    Never once did our host (who’s supposed to be a journalist) ask the big question, completely ignoring the bloody big Mammoth sitting in the corner of the studio, strained NHS, murders, is there maybe a connection here? um, I wonder….

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