The BBC never fails to disappoint. I caught BBC radio 4 “Today” mocking the Conservative’s claims regarding Labour’s budget busting spending plans should they get back into power; then turned on BBC1 News to hear them give weird Ed Miliband a chance to rubbish the Conservatives. Not a sniff of bias there, no sirree. Anyway here is a NEW Open Thread.
START THE WEEK OPEN THREAD
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Beeboid mentality ; r 5 running up to 1pm, story about a ‘charity worker’ just back from Liberia telling about coming across a village with loads of very young children, no women and just one man. Story being one man had died of Ebola, the women washed him before burial therefore catching and dying from the disease. And the men where are the men ? ” oh the men are out in the fields or have just left, in their culture it is not seen as a mans role to look after young children, we had to look after them” Note, no follow up on the rights and wrongs of this culture, imagine white men in the UK ” just left” would the beeb be so quiet about their culture then ? No probably not. Black African culture trumps care of babies and young motherless children.
After that, right on to Ched Evans ( cont) running through the twitter abuse that the IT company which is one of the Oldham sponsors has got since it said it would support a man having the right to work ( brave company). And then having a little speech ( read out by an actress ) from the anonymous woman who started the petition against him signing for Oldham, the same woman who started the campaign against him playing for Sheffield Utd.
The woman’s identity had been hidden to ‘protect her from the abuse she has had ‘. Usual anti male hate and bile spewing from her mouth. Headlines at one, including calls for annominity from MP told he would not be charged with rape by police, no comment from beeboids about connection between him and others like him and the women whose identity they ‘protect’ who is running a campaign against a man trying to gain employment.
I sucessfully avoided BBC TV over the Christmas period but I have since learnt that the BBC repeated 62% of its TV programs (BBC one and two) again. A Daily Mail letter writer said that he had made a written complaint to the BBC back in 1993 (direct to Alan Yentob – then controller of BBC 1). Yentob’s reply was one of complete agreement and said ‘… but I can assure you I shall be trying to change this emphasis in future years’. Well since that time – nothing has changed at all. One could rightly assume that the BBC would offer a 38% refund for all those TV repeats that the TV license payer had already ‘paid-for’ since 1993. A ‘pro-rata’ reduction in the license fee is required.
But we know the BBC only too well. We know damn well the TV license fee does not go on any new TV programming but on it’s own corporate news bias and agenda. Proof (as if any were needed is missing from this online article but was in the printed edition) made by the BBC only last month 22nd December – by John Whittingdale (at the same time his step brother was arrested for historic sexual abuses much like the BBC itself. Whittingdales sales pitch to Westminster foreign office (link below) – confirmed that the BBC TV license fee was indeed being used to finance a propaganda war against China and Russia’s ‘propaganda’ wars and they (BBC) need more money to fund it. The BBC ‘Panto-season’ to extract more money from its critics at Westminster and silencing those already investigating where the last lot of money went. The BBC never shy of using every means to promote itself as the international ‘voice of reason’ (eh?), of political impartiality (cough) and value-for-money (joking). Its a BBC repeat of course, we’ve heard it all before… (John Whittingdale panic button pressed). No doubt a future BBC trustee in the making is Whittingdale..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2884515/World-Service-outgunned-Russians-Chinese-Senior-MP-warns-cuts-mean-Britain-failing-counter-biased-information-superpowers.html
And what happens to the money at the BBC? Has there ever been a time that the BBC had its public accounts in order?, its a notoriously failed public utility/quango (that nobody cares for), its Royal ‘charter’ failures are never highlighted, its lack of patriotic values are bare. Its time to take stock. By next May, the UK will be £1,500 billion in debt.
AND the BBC don’t want any Cuts!
For every £5 the government collects on our UK taxes it spends £4 on servicing that debt. Financially we could be worse off than Greece. We spend £55 billion on interest alone. The BBC peddles World propaganda to third world states that already recieve our UK money as ‘aid’ (Pakistan et al). More ‘immigration’ to England is assured under BBC schemes than anything else.
The cost of massive immigration to the UK (disputed as always by the BBC): ‘Immigrants have cost the tax payer over £140 billion since 1995’ is not propaganda it is the truth of the matter and the BBC hides that fact. Any BBC request for more money should always be NO more! We need our country back from the brink.
agreed – it’s literally a fkin powerful pressure group now..
The A& E crisis has been all over the BBC today. Whether its Radio 2, Radio 4 or 5Live, its the horror story of the day. Only 92.6% of patients are seen withn 4 hours! Good grief! Oh the humanity! Wait though, doesn’t that mean that more than 9 out of 10 ARE seen within the target time? Not exactly a crisis of epic proportions is it? Yet to judge by the BBC’s take on it, you would think that bus loads of patients are bleeding to death in the waiting area and that people in their droves are expiring in ambulances waiting to be seen to, while armies of drunk roam around the wards wasting nurse’s time. Clearly time for some social engineering. Bring on some doctors and nurses to pin the blame on Coalition cuts and old people refusing to die soon enough. Oh and Andy Burnham of course; can’t do without his input can we? Any mention of 5 million immigrants having some impact is quickly glossed over of course. “Tune in tomorrow for another labour party broadcast – and don’t forget to pay your licence fee”
Yes, BBC-NUJ runs Labour Party’s political agenda daily.
Boston bombing case: two previews:-
1.) ‘Frontpage Mag’-
“Boston Bombing Case: Long, Taxpayer-Funded Trial Ahead”
By Ari Lieberman.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/ari-lieberman/boston-bombing-case-long-taxpayer-funded-trial-ahead/
2.) INBBC-
“Boston bombing: Jury selection begins in Tsarnaev case”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30680319
Has INBBC missed this?:-
“Islamic State chief executioner found beheaded with cigarette in his mouth”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/01/islamic-state-chief-executioner-found-beheaded-with-cigarette-in-his-mouth
Sadly, that fag probably made it ‘not news’.
It seems the bloke was a serial smoker which is against ISIS rules, hence loosing his head, literally ! How sad.
Wait til CMO Dame Sally Davies, VivNathason, Gerada and Nutt-as well as the other media complaint talking heads of NHS Nazification projects-see this somewhat exuberant attempt to stamp out the evils of Big Tobaccco and its peddlears.
If IS aren`t already getting an invite to the next BMA ” Trash the Ash” Convention in Davos or Sharm El Sheikh…i`ll be surprised.
ISIS and the NHS are bother clearly passionately anti-smoker-and that will unite them very soon in a joint initiative to stop kids sparking up.
Yes, a bit excessive in this one alleged case…but the casue is the thing and the intentions would have had to be good.
IS stands for International Socialismus too!
IS are now becoming the ‘acceptable face’ of terrorism in the Beebs eyes. Why?
1. They have brought stability to Iraq and Syria where Americkar failed.
2. Yes, IS have had to make tough choices, but they are self-reliant and not influenced by Americkar.
3. They do not shoot unarmed and innocent black teenagers. And there is no record of them ever having done so.
4. Their flag is sooo black and sooo now. Wouldn’t it be rather super to have one of their guys over for wine and you know, an open floor discussion with an input session of outcomes? Oh, yes…
5. Their ethnicity is sooo vibrant.
BBC-NUJ and Islamising Turkey.
Can we expect BBC-NUJ to report the following on the arrest of a fellow journalist,
given BBC-NUJ unending political campaign to get Turkey’s 80 million Muslims into E.U?:-
‘Guardian’-
“Dutch reporter held on terrorism charges in Turkey.
“Dutch foreign minister expresses shock at Frederike Geerdink’s arrest,
while President Erdoğan defends Turkish press freedoms.”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/06/dutch-reporter-held-terrorism-charges-turkey
Would BBC-NUJ political attitude be different if the journalist was employed by Al Jazeera?
More on Turkey today-
“Turkey bombing: Female suicide attacker hits Istanbul police station”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30701483
RT UK reports that new anti terrorism measures may prevent non payers of the telly tax from travelling abroad.
It would appear that non payers are now being classed as terrorists!
How on earth is that enforceable? If you do not watch live broadcast TV you do not need to pay the ‘Living Room Tax’.
Have TPTB decreed we are all required to support the monopoly state broadcaster regardless of whether we watch it?
I must have missed that parliamentary debate.
Yes its 2015 and as we seen these past 6 days, there’s a general election in the Uk and naturally the bBC have come out on the side of the labour party. But I was somewhat surprised (Not) by this party political broadcast for the Islamic state party currently chopping heads off in the Levant.
(Note, this bBC article may really piss you off)
Islamic State and the idea of statehood
The bBC, the school boy apologists for Islamic terrorists paid for by you
Would that be the BBC ‘journalist’ Joe Boyle? Paid for, by ‘you’? Who graduated in Sculpture and Ceramics B Ed from Lancaster? Ideally qualified?
It is a well established principle that socialism results in the misallocation of resources to the detriment of the ‘the many’. In this case, an ill informed inappropriately educated sophist spinning a dehumanising postmodernist yarn (intentional or unintentional sophist, I know not), funded by state enforced public funding. This article exemplifies such a phenomenon, frequently observed on the BBC outlets.
Good spot sir!
I get both angry and tired of reading BBC, Guardian and Independent reports that associate anti-Islamic protests with the ‘far-right’ and ‘nazis’ … Nazi, like ‘racist’, is becoming almost meaningless because of the left’s gratuitous bandying about of it; the left have hijacked this word to silence those who have opposite views.
Okay, there might be a few hooligans at the protests looking for a fight but what about the swaggering western Muslim who can stand in the middle of the street shouting ‘behead those who insult Islam without so much as a whimper from the left? Muslims can say and do anything they like without any criticism; in fact, they get the red carpet treatment.
Anyone who can’t see what the Marxists are doing here is beyond salvation; they’re wiping out Christianity in order to make way for the Islamic ideology.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30685842
Lazy thinking by our commentators in particular. Dresden is the major city of the old east and knows well what it was like to suffer authoritarian rule. Cologne is near the western border and a very different place.
It looks obvious to me that the people of Dresden do not want to follow in the path of the cities of the western part of Germany ( Berlin as always goes it’s own way.)
Maybe the people who suffered under the Stasi and the Communist party just have no interntion of allowing anything like Sharia in their territory. Seems logical to me and I wonder why no BBC/liberal commentatator makes this point. I suppose they are too young to have realised that Germany was once a split nation and not a bit like today’s country..
One further point. I doubt the average BBC/liberal realises that Sharia is a complete sytem and embraces political as well as religious life. The Dresdeners know this and want to stay as they are. The liberal is really dumb sometimes.
I do wonder how the left are coping with the fact that Dresden that nazis victim of allied bombing during WW2 which they champion as a war crime is home to so many intolerant racist bigiots. From the coverage from the bBC anybody else get the impression that Bomber Harris was right all along in which to hit the Nazis war machine as hard as they hit others.
Hmm what i find interesting is how the left and BBC have happily swallowed the Nazi propaganda over Dresden! it’s as if they were of the same mindset ?
The political ‘left’ in Germany (and beyond, including Beeboids), aided and abetted by islamic interests, seem to spot and be prepared to violently oppose what they call their putative crime of ‘ISLAMOPHOBIA,’ with considerable ease.
But, they are never able to detect ‘ISLAMOFASCISM.’
The political ‘left’s line in this is quite tribal, and does not address the demographic, cultural and security trends on the impact of continuing mass immigration on indigenous European people.
If you get angry, you should be ‘AngryAlex’.
Take pride in your anger (wo)man!
BBC 24 Online.
Headlines Continually NHS ‘Disaster Performance’ :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-30679949
Is it written by Ed Balls?
Is it?
Performance has fallen by 2.4% That could be a statistical error. If Labour were in power, you can be darn sure the BBC would have explained it away as a statistical error.
And NO mention of the gorilla in the room. Immigration, perhaps?
“Over live to our reporter outside Gloucester General (why?) ” Can they claim subsistence for being out of the office? Like you used to be able to do in the civil service @ 20 years ago.
Gloucester surely chosen to demonstrate that the overcrowding in A&E was all hideously white. An A&E elsewhere, say in inner London, would possibly give a teeny-weeny clue to one of the reasons for the present situation. I am also expecting to hear the Beeb say that the overstretched Maternity Services are due to the ageing population!
Gloucester has its own ‘richness and diversity’, e.g. Tredworth and the famous Barton Street, but it’s less hideously white than, say, nearby Cheltenham. It may just be a coincidence that it is, relatively speaking, a marginal seat between Tory and Labour: Tory since 2010 (majority < 2,500) and 1970-1997, Labour 1945-70 and 1997-2010. In Cheltenham it's Lib-Dem (since 1992) v Tory.
Mike good point. I did see a report a while back where the 2 persons were not and by their comments did not seem to have been in need of emergency treatment.o
Mrs brett works as a pharmacist, and the stories she tells me weekly have made my mind up on the problems with the nhs. Just one big grab what you can, the African”new arrivals” just walk in and say “I am nhs” expecting that they can take products fromthe shelves, and the eastern European customers try to scam with outdated medical passes ,ie up until the child is two, but still using at six. When confronted, back to the old-i don’t understand. Now I cant blame them, but ffs, its almost like the wankers in government want to cause these problems so as to divide and rule
Divide and rule. You’ve got it about the government!
Vote UKIP. Clean slate. Nothing to lose. You and Mrs Brett!
Labour are demanding an emergency summit on the crisis in A&E
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-30705689
Are they being brass necked or are they so stupid they actually don’t know what the root cause is? Either way, Milliband, Balls and the rest of this vile bunch of lefty social engineers are not fit to govern again.
‘A&E summit is needed to find a fix, Labour tells government’ bellows the BBC (because obviously it hadn’t occurred to the government or the people running the NHS to hold any meetings about the problem).
I’m surprised Red Ed didn’t instead call for one of his beloved judicial inquiries.
If you were Labour leader and the Tories had managed to steer the debate onto the economy, not exactly your strongest suit, then what subject would you choose?
The problem is that it doesn’t matter what subject important to voters Labour choose, they’ve screwed up on such a colossal scale on all of them that it’s impossible to choose a safe one.
According to UKpolling these are the most important issues for voters in order
Immigration
The economy
NHS
Unemployment
Education
Crime
Inflation (why???)
So if you were leader having to pick one of these which one would you pick to play to your strongest suit, because faced with a choice like this it’s never going to be easy !
I believe Ed is creating a whole new series of escalating things to call for, as calling for the same thing daily has made him a laughing stock.
Prepare next for ‘Labour says Ed calls for ducking stools’, with him as Withchfinder General. It could be held in the Labour Party foyer, with Hugh Grant as Independent Observer plus Hugs and legal team to try and ensure no one knows who was there.
You heard it here first.
Totally convinced now, NHS A&E crisis definitely concocted by a combined Labour and BBC stitch up.
Further evidence in addition to Alan’s threads here and fella contributors comments on this site:
One only has to look at the way 2 different TV stations report it:
As reported by Steve Jones above: BBC: Breaking News: A&E summit is needed to find a fix, Labour tells government:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-30705689
But go and check Channel 4 news “Is A&E in Crisis” clip – 3 mins in – Andy Burnham – Tackled about NHS Wales which has 10% worse A&E waiting times than NHS England – but Burnham tries to brush this off and says this is about NHS England!
http://www.channel4.com/news/catch-up/
Not surprised and it is entirely predictable nowadays.
Just take a look at this video (if it’s allowed to remain up for long)
See if the driver is slumped over the wheel in a state of collapse.
Heart attacks don’t always cause slumps. You’re right to post this. But more needs to be known.
The reported ‘eye witness’ accounts said he was ‘slumped over the wheel’ and the authorities have run with that since it happened.
The fact that the driver seems upright and to be in control of the vehicle don’t it with what has been released.
More needs to be known? Hows that going to happen with the news black out being imposed and takedown notices being issued like confetti? Some people are claiming they’ve been served ‘D’ notices !
If the government has decided to cover this up on the grounds that civil unrest might result then how exactly are you going to know more?
Any links re the D notices?
Muslims don’t drive Bin Lorries. Not in my experience.
Have you ever met a Bin Lorry crew?
People are describing it as a Bin Laden lorry
A load of rubbish !
Thoughtful, you really are a tit! What an insensitive and ill-judged post that is. Every time I come on hear I just think you’re more of an opinionated prat than the last time.
Curious the police are still investigating what caused the crash…if it was health related they would surely know already.
It would take no time at all to establish a mechanical fault with the brakes or accelerator.
So what other cause could there be?
And it looked as if the driver was in a ‘driving’ position..neither slumped nor agitated in any way.
BBC Newsnight.
BBC cap their Labour Party 24 Hr Party political broadcast for 6th January 2014. I seem to remember once enjoying Newsnight as an informative program, but that was in a previous life.
Oh dear. A summary to a pre-scripted launch into the GE2015 battle (General Election 2015). Logged by fellow observers above.
The players:
1. Field marshall Ed. Declaring war. He’s scary. Very scary.
2. The Captains of the BBC News Editorial team.
3. The troops posted at various hospitals cramming in as many sad stories to feed the narrative.
4. General Burnham. Feeding in the memes. Nasty tories! They’ll privatise it. Vote for us ….. or you will die!
5. The weapon? The NHS.
6. The ‘elephants in the room’ : Population increase, PFI, border control, ability to plan for future provision, the deficit, the national debt, educational standards, trade deficit, savings (lack of) etc etc
It will be a busy 4 months (b)logging the political bias on the BBC. I hope there will be plenty of you on the case.
Scrap the telly tax.
10 hospital declare ’emergencies’ on the day that Labour needs to take attention off the economy & back on the NHS, and announces its call for an inquiry.
Am I being cynical in thinking this might be an emergency of convenience ?
Yes Thoughtful. You are being cynical. But you are right to be.
You appeared to question why inflation [the hidden tax] is such an important issue. If you really want to find out more, search ‘von Mises Institute’ and you’ll get plenty of references there. Henry Hazlitt is a very clear, easy to understand writer on the subject. As are Ron Paul and Peter Schiff.
the only part of the economy still unionised is the public sector (70% or so unionised, vs 10% in the private sector). The vast majority of union members work for the government, as do all of the charities taking government funding. The NHS has become a shibboleth for Unison’s attempt to prop up its membership and maintain its ability to fund Labour and guide policy. The phrase “moral hazard” means nothing to the Leftards when it comes to this
Railways are still unionised and in private hands.
Pilots have a union BALPA
When run by an extremist Unions are a bad thing, but not always they have achieved some good things for their members too.
BBC / Labour have launched the NHS as being their Election saviour.
No.
They will run out of steam long before May.
And then what next?
The field is open, gentlemen.
Place your bets.
Even money housing. 6/4 food poverty. 5/2 evil banks. 4/1 nasty white men not being nice, 5/1 give more money to the third world, 6/1 build more green things, 20/1 the EU and 100/1 immigration.
Affordable housing. Care for the elderly / ageing population.
Those are both likely. As the cost of living crisis didn’t work.
And this:
Labour equating the Tories with Auschwitz.
Can they get any lower?
http://news.sky.com/story/1403354/labour-councillor-suspended-over-nazi-parody
Certainly yes.
Naturally, the BBC have not reported this. What a contrast with their treatment of some (happily very few) UKIP members, whose stupid remarks are made headline news by that egregious organisation, which not only relishes publicising the remarks repeatedly, but also takes full advantage of the opportunity to savage UKIP itself.
Thought for the day was a disgrace ! Bishop Nick Bains.
Attacking Pegida championing the Fascist left pro Islam and pro the rape of children, and mentions that the bible contains similar texts.
It was utterly sickening in its bias. Of course the BBC will say it’s an independent speaker and that they have no control over what they say.
This is a lie
The BBC never allow a speaker who is in disaccord with the corporate view to have a say at all, and they consistently re-invite those whose views are in accord with theirs to speak on air again.
If the bBC had a complaints department then I’d complain, but they don’t so I can’t !
Yes, that inflamed me, too – towards the end of his “sermon” he wondered if, rather than worry about all those nice Muslims, we should be ready to “dance to a different tune”. Different tune? Islamicism? Bugger that.
His twitter feed has gone very quiet this morning, I wonder why ? he’s another who need sacking, another bloody wet hand wringer who blames the common people for the faults of the liberal elite.
He denies membership and/or being a graduate of the despicable Common Purpose, but says he supports what they do “and the leadership cross-fertilisation they facilitate”, so no surprise in the garbage that he dumped this morning.
‘Jesus wept’ is apt, I think.
BBc Breakfast and no end in sight yet for the Liebour party broadcast concerning the NHS.
Astronomers have, apparently, discovered a planet some 500 light years away, which is remarkably similar to earth – it’s bigger, though, and the sky would be red. Oh, and it’s 40 degrees warmer than earth. Yet they’re still excited about it. If my memory serves me correctly, aren’t the “sceantists” still telling us that a 2 degree rise in global temperatures here on earth, will bring about our untimely destruction? So why on earth (if you’ll pardon the pun), would we want to spend 500 light years travelling to a place which is twenty times more likely to be uninhabitable?
I’ve no idea why so much time and money is spent on deep space exploration, God Particles, or Dark Matter, all of which are nebulous, when there are so many problems here on earth to sort out, first.
In the Yemen, BBC – “Militant” attack kill 23 Iraq troops
In Iraq, BBC – “Blast” kills dozens in Yemen capital
In Israel Hamas BBC – “man” jailed for Israel murders
In Libya BBC – “violence” Seized Christians in Libya
“The incident was the latest in a series of recent attacks on Egyptian Christians working in Libya. Local residents said the masked gunmen had separated the Christians from the Muslims before handcuffing them and taking them away in cars. Egyptian authorities have not confirmed the release, ‘Dispute over money’
note
The BBC headlines that the Christians have been freed, Egypt
hasn t confirmed this
Looks like the Biased “Brotherhood” Corporation knows more than them!.
Anyway appears they have been removed from the BBC Christmas card list,
I wonder why
Egypt – Sisi’s Remarkable Speech on Dangers of Islamic “Thinking”
BBC take on the situation
Oh look who the interviewer is?
“Tariq Ramadan, a Muslim theologian whose grandfather is one of the founding members of the Muslim Brotherhood, told BBC World News that #Egypt is on the verge of returning to a ‘Mubarak style’ era. ”
Tariq Ramadan – a very dangerous man, embedded into the Oxford establishment.
Beeboid mentality again, r5 before 11am, ” the price of a barrel of oil keeps falling and might go as low as $40……..Sainsburys says the price at the pump might go to 99p a litre………but we must remember that 500,000 people work in the oil industry in the UK and this might affect jobs, and many pension funds hold oil company stocks”……. We can all guess whose pension funds are in danger can’t we ?
NEWS FLASH, shooting at Paris office of satirical magazine ‘Charlie Hebdo’ at least 10 dead, automatic weapons used………the magazine was fired bombed 3 years ago for upsetting the Muslims. Only hope the troops I saw at Christmas were nearby to deal with the scum. I suspect this is going to have a massive effect on France, and all of Europe if this a true account of European blood spilt.
Multiple gunmen dressed in black with black hoods using automatic weapons, journalist who saw event reports initial police response was 2 unarmed men on bicycles who turned around and vanished.
Those ‘men’ don’t like any criticism, or freedom of speech. Both ideals once held in high esteem in this nation.
Will Al Beeb blame the magazine ?
Sky reports last image released by Charlie Hedbo this morning was a cartoon mocking the leader of IS, now reporting Paris prosecutor saying 10 dead, killers on the run in hijacked car.
The Telegraph in its report quotes Pierre de Cossette, a broadcast journalist with Europe1 News that “several men in black cagoules were heard to shout ‘the Prophet has been avenged'”. Oh dear, the editorial team at Broadcasting House will be tieing itself in knots deciding how to present this news without mentioning the “M” word: I suspect the word “Islamist” will be heavily used in BBC reports and comment.
How will el-beeb confront the slaughter of the staff of France’s version of ‘Private Eye’ ? How will Hislop play this out on HIGNFY ? Expect lots of beeboids to be running in circles with their fingers in their ears shouting “la, la, la”
Update, 2 armed men, 11 dead, 10 seriously wounded.
It’s easy. The BBC will simply not mention them. Had a Muslim ‘institution’ have been attacked the BBC would immediately speculate that right-wing anti-immigration groups were responsible.
http://youtu.be/BFwedk4dBCc
France 24 had no such reluctance.
Christian Slater. Just before 11.30, BBC news 24HR rolling Bollox.
Quite unbelievable comments from a BBC journalist. He may as well have said, these french journalists had it coming, what with expressing themselves freely about the Prophet Mo’.
Bloody disgrace. Did the youth of Norway have it coming Christian?
Did the Jews in Nazi Germany have it coming? And we pay the telly tax to give this guy a living.
The guy should be sacked. And with that first name? You really couldn’t make it up.
And have the French ever had a government which represents the people, or their famed principles of liberty fraternity and equality?
Appeasing f@%kwits.
Le Front Nationale will garner even more support after this.
C**t on Bbc now stating we should stop short of saying this is an islamist attack. It may well be “but no one has claimed responsibility.”
According to Inspector Clouseau, the perp is a Catholic !
Bbc news 24 at 11-40, Frank Gardner, says ” in fact it’s probably too early to even say categorically that this is even Islamist, it’s almost certainly given the light of previous attacks it’s likely to be, but we should stop of saying categorically that it is, there has been no immediate claim of responsibility”.
That is word for word, I am sitting here winding the tape back half a dozen times to make sure that is what he is saying. Fucking unbelievable, who does he think it is, the French Boy Scouts? This man needs sacking now, today.
He’s just been on the news at one o clock. His words of wisdom on the magazines content:
“There are many non muslims who have said about their comments and cartoons…. whoh you have gone too far this time ”
So they brought evil, barbaric islamic cold blooded execution by muslims upon themselves then Frank….ok got it !
Sky now showing lots af pictures of scene, wounded, smashed cars, most chillingly a police car with at least 14 bullet holes in the windscreen, no pictures of scene inside the car.
At least two police dead. Men still on the run.
Religion of Peace killing people in France again I see…..the BBC will blame the paper for showing the pictures
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2900259/Gunmen-shoots-dead-11-Paris-offices-French-Satirical-newspaper-Charle-Hebdo.html
Yes, BBC TV News puzzled about who is responsible for this.
Apparently, the magazine is “controversial”, so there you have it. It was the magazine’s fault.
The fact that parts of Europe had a strong tradition of satire until certain groups put an end to it is neither here nor there.
One’s first thought is of course for the victims and their families and immediate colleagues.
But then one must turn to broader groups, such as the government, opposition, NGOs and of course the media industries.
Nothing, clearly, can for now be known for certain, so caution before speculation is wise before moving to objective reporting and analysis.
As vehicles were involved it is to be hoped Paris council and police do not feel it is best the whole thing is subject to internal inquiry and left at that.
Meanwhile as it cannot be unlikely that satirical journalism was targeted for simply having a view, it will be interesting which staff of which media assemble in which forecourts to express their dismay.
What symbolism for suppression of free speech who knows, but at least Gaffa tape can be removed to speak another day.
Which those selective in their outrage depending on perpetrators and targets may wish to ponder if moved at all to go beyond their critical and/or outrage comfort zones.
Very foolishly tuned into Daily Politics to day.
While watching photos of a police van riddled with bullets after the lastest muslim atrocity in Paris, some German bufoon accuses PEGIDA members of not understanding the Muslim threat. “There is a very low level of Muslim immigration in Dresden” he opines. Maybe the Dresdeners would like to keep it that way and avoid being butchered in large numbers.
Definitely, no BBC today, as blood vessels may be burst in large numbers.
Sky now reports the murderers were moving around the office asking the staff their names before shooting them. Personal opinion; This was not some ‘lone Wolf’ this was planned and professional, I would guess some of IS have come home with weapons and tactics to do this.
Update, sky now showing the close grouping of bullet holes on the police car I mentioned earlier, noting ‘ this is someone who knows how to aim and fire a AK, they have been trained by someone’
why oh why can’t this happen to BBC headquarters
harsh but maybe it would make them see what is happening to others
Not even as a joke.
That sad part is this has inspired two, possibly from opposite extremes (false flags exist, as do those who seem unable to grasp what helps vs. undermines causes), who need to get a room elsewhere and reflect on what has happened and what this forum is about.
One determined to give offence and one prepared to sacrifice any hint of compassion elsewhere to take it to the max and demand personal satisfaction.
What about the victims?
The only value to this tasteless tag-team is the irony of what the victims stood for, which seems to have escaped too many.
Which part of ‘innocent victims’ and ‘RIP’ did you not understand? They were blameless and I grieve for them. The ‘sad part’, apart from the senseless loss of life of course, is that you’re more interested in being snide about me than in the contemptible sentiment of the original poster’s comments.
Which part of ‘one determined to give offence’ did you not understand? It was wrong on all levels, and did not help here, as it gave you your cue. I wasn’t being snide, I didn’t reply to and didn’t name you. deegee covered it and I was happy to vote that sentiment up just as I want no part of anything I don’t agree with, without coercion.
You, and it is all about you, have contributed zero on the BBC’s role in this, and have swooped in demanding apologies for tasteless commentary.
Given what has happened and why, that takes some lack of awareness.
You’ll take the last word inevitably, so the floor is clear. Others, wisely, have long since stayed clear. Adieu.
Sentiments like this are beneath contempt. Take a long hard look at yourself. You are no better than the Islamic savages who have killed 11 innocent people this morning. RIP.
explain please…
“why oh why can’t this happen to BBC headquarters”
If you’re too thick to see why wishing *anybody* dead in such sickening circumstances is beyond the pale you’re an amoral cretin.
insults as always.
Ok lets take a look at the BBC shall we – make excuses for these types of murderers all of the time all around the world or just plain ignores them eg Fogel family so like with a liberal who makes excuses for criminals until they become victims of crimes themselves it would turn a few heads over there if something like this happened there
Of course no one wants to see people killed but I am angry and as always I am forced to fund an organisation that makes excuses for murdering scum
“Of course no one wants to see people killed”
Except you just said that you do. If that’s not the case, take the comment back rather than digging yourself further into a hole with your pathetic self-justifications.
I would RATHER this attack had happened to the BBC….does that clear things up in your self righteous world?
I would rather it had not happened at all. Which is the line any half-decent human being would take.
No, if there were a Muslim attack on the BBC, they would immediately claim that Islamophobia, the marginalisation of Muslins in racist Britain and the legacy of British imperialism had driven these poor “lone wolves” to reprehensible, but understandable acts of desparation. They would also take almost orgasmic pleasure in parading their moral superiority by calling for everyone to befriend a Muslim as, afterall, most Muslims are devotees of the ROP and mean noone any harm. Everyone, hears and obeys the wise words of the BBC and peace and bliss reigns forever.
This is wrong on so many levels. But even if such a dreadful thing happened it would be unlikely to change anything – the BBC and the rest of the Establishment have the word ‘appeasement ‘ stamped through them like the writing in a stick of Blackpool rock. It was true in the 1930s and is equally true today. The experiences of Frank Gardner have not resulted in him gaining a more balanced perspective.
Much beating about the bush. The magazine has been threatened by “groups” the have upset the Catholic church. The satire of the “prophet” has upset “some” in the muslim community. Let’s see how this story develops with the BBc over the day.
Shouldn’t the BBC call Mo the “so-called prophet”?
They should certainly be referring to the ‘Muslim’s Prophet Mohammed. He sure as well isn’t mine and that’s the way they make it sound by calling him the prophet mohammed. Makes my blood boil. F##k the ‘prophet’.
Exactly! I’m sick and tired of hearing them say “the Prophet Mohammed”. He’s no prophet of mine, or of the religion and culture of my country, and I want nothing to do with this so-called prophet.
On Sky news film of attack and also on Guido and quite clearly hear “Allah Akbar “
Sky now showing amazing footage from a journalist on the roof using his phone filming two men in black on street, aiming guns, using properly trained stances, one firing as the other moves forward, reloading, using aimed single shots, no Hollywood style blazing away, this is a very professional military style operation. Witnesses quoted saying men shouted ” this is vengeance for the prophet, Allah Ackbar” Well, come on bbc expert Frank, who was it ? The Boy Scouts ? Frank ? Where are you Frank? You’re not on news 24, where are you ?
PS. Sky have had this mobile footage for at least 30 min, bbc news 24 still showing footage of police gathered in street. Very poor second with this story are El-beeb, probably having a crisis meeting on how to respond to it, ah that’s where Frank is, probably telling the bosses not to jump to conclusions .
Just mentioned the Belgium shooting and said the authorities had tracked the crime to a “French national”. … Mehdi Nemmouche, a 29-year-old French national of Algerian origin, was arrested at Marseille in connection with the shooting. He is believed to have spent over a year in Syria and had links with radical Islamists [3] and appears to have recorded a video bearing the flag of the rebel group Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.[4]
Ah now…but was he a French citizen-or French national-French stick or French window-French letter or French Reunited?
Basically-was he ANYTHING we can tag as French…and in doing so avoid the faecal bleeding obvious-that he was a MUSLIM who followed ISLAMIC Doctrine,as urged so to do but his Auld KORAN?
Or-do we parse over a citizen v a national…of descent or other…he`s a bloody Teddy Bear called Mo as far as the BBC are concerned…and certainly NOT to be labelled with the word Musselman.
Getting very tired of this Mussel diet…and Spandau Ballet weren`t happy either were they?
Bound and hog tied by Muslims…Musselbound to me!
I think that Marine Le Pen has just won the next election.
…. and after that, the beginnings of a trickle, then a torrent, of muslims moving to the UK. My advice to the LibLabCon government is, don’t be the last country in Europe to put curbs on islamists, or you will find them all here.
Palestinian jailed for murder of Israeli teenagers
The teenagers’ murders in June set off an escalating cycle of violence and led to a 50-day conflict between Israel and Palestinian militants in Gaza.
Simply not true. Rockets were being fired from Gaza and Hamas and others were clearly arming and fortifying. Operation Protective Edge was launched in order to restore quiet to the region and stop Hamas terrorism. The single goal of the operation was to stop Hamas’ incessant rocket attacks against Israel’s civilians.
The BBC is implying that it set off an escalation that otherwise wouldn’t have happened.
The BBC will never admit it but the Israeli decision to attack ‘prematurely’ (an intelligence failure if there ever was one) saved Israel tens or even thousands of casualties, hostages and depopulation of the border region. Intelligence acquired during the operation showed that a Mumbai scale massacre was planned for the Jewish New Year using undetected tunnels. However unintentionally the murder of three teens led to saving Israeli lives — and given Hamas tactics no fewer Palestinians would have died.
Paris… Let’s hope there is no backlash against the Muslim community – not that this was anything to do with Islam of course. The attack was most likely carried out by the, er, French secret service and, er, big business and climate change deniers to try and win support for Marine le Pen and the Front National. Anyone for a #ImWithTheShooters tag on Twitter or Facebook or whatever it’s called?
You all know the Evil Bbc will airbrush as much as possible of this , so for the `real` news ,thank goodness for SKY , RT & France 24 , & other providers .
‘Let’s hope there is no backlash against the Muslim community’
Agree totally.
I will however be feeling a little weary if the establishment here jerks its knees too quickly and trots out the platitudes no one believes and the BBC dashes straight to TellMama for their latest stats on inappropriate charcuterie deployment.
At some point these bodies have to accept that nasty tweets, looks in the bus or even idiotic building firebombings, especially if proven self-inflicted, do not equate in ‘community living in fear’ terms to members of the community continually being stabbed, hacked or strafed to death, and at some point even Mishal Husein could grasp the moral equivalences are skewed the other way already closer to home and likely to a point of (unacceptable, inexcusable) breaking.
These perpetrators have ramped it up and up to get a reaction, and all that’s happened is the pressure cooker has been clamped down harder. No honesty, recognition, victim empathy (beyond grief porn) or safety valve measures AT ALL.
And hence the ‘establishment’, more than any other entity, is nearly totally to blame for what will eventually follow. It’s almost as if they have designed it to be this way, which is a real concern. Nihilism and anarchy and vigilantism are just allowing the pendulum to swing too far the other way, and even their gated communities will offer no protection. And I doubt Ian Hislop enters the PI offices via a bomb-proof bunker.
Those PEGIDA protestors are so, so, wrong about the Islamisation of the West aren’t they?
Nasty racsist types – tune into the BBC, they’ll tell you.
May those who were slaughtered Rest in Peace
Sky talking about a shocking video (its on Liveleak very graphic) of the shooting of a policeman who pleads for his life, no mention of it on the bBC.
Sky have just show a pixilated version of it, this is going to get out in all it’s graphic horror somewhere, if I was french I would be very, very , very angry right now.
It is on liveleak, police man shot, falls to floor, men stroll up to him, he is on his side, lifts right arm, to plead for his life, man stands over him and shoots him in head. Fucker.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ef3_1420633208
Just watched it FUCKING SCUM!!!! actually I am glad in France for 2 reasons..A It wasn’t here…B …the french will not tolorate this..
Bbc news 24. Live on air at 13-18, shows the end of this graphic tape of a cold blooded murder of a policeman, that is after he was shot, as the men walk back to their car with the studio hackette ” the video taken a short time ago we believe after the attack took place ALLEGEDLY I should say, taking, showing, the gunmen escaping in a vehicle just outside the offices of ‘ Charlie Ebdo ‘ we need to get further verification on this information ”
Words fail me, they have got very graphic film of a policeman being shot in the head and they say ” ALLEGEDLY” ? ( all my use of capitals I should say). What part of cold blooded murder do they not understand ? Do they think it’s a movie set ? I know what she’s thinking, ‘ must keep to our standards’ ‘ must not call a spade a spade until it’s been confirmed hours later’. ‘ must not prejudice these men’s case if it comes to a trail’. This woman is a DISGRACE, news 24 is a DISGRACE, the bbc is a DISGRACE. If someone walked into the studio and shot her dead live on camera, another beeboid would say ” ALLEGEDLY”.
sorry I’ve had enough of this for one day, condolences to the families of the dead police and the brave journalists murdered.
I’m not French but I am very, very, very angry right now.
Aujourd’hui, nous sommes tous français (today, we are all French).
At least there is a journalist worthy of the name at the BBC. A human being does exist beneath the Brillo. He’s old enough not to be scared to express himself freely and the lefties watching ‘The Daily Politics’ will be feeling quietly uncomfortable.
If Andrew Neil leaves the BBC, there will be no-one left.
Nick Robinson has done a very swift 180 ‘U’ turn on his ‘random attack’ comment [on Charlie Hebdo staff and police in Paris] earlier in the program, acknowledging that the attack is far from random.
The truth will be re-written over the coming weeks, but people have been murdered by adherents of Islam in the centre of a european capital. Again. But they are journalists this time.
This event may be a tipping point for the direction of the European Federalisation project and the start of open free discussion on the benefits and merits of Islam, the so called Religion of Peace.
There you have it…straight from Frank Gardner:
Chalie hebdo and the french state ” failed to protect themselves”
‘If Andrew Neil leaves the BBC, there will be no-one left’
If you will forgive some dark, bitter humour at such a point, that is al there will be.
19,999 to 1 was never great for balance outside of BBC maffs anyway.
Your point on journalists is well taken. Even the most politically tribal can grasp the significance of planned hits on members of the free press on the streets of democracies, even if those on their audiences to now have been easier to deal with conceptually.
I hear that the perpetrators shouted “the prophet has been avenged” as they departed the scene of the murders.
I suppose Mr Gardner has good reason to be cautious about jumping to conclusions as to who might be responsible for the Paris attack.
Funnily enough BBC commentators did jump to some wrong conclusions about the Boston Marathon terrorist bombing ‘right-wing’ ‘Oaklahoma-style’ – but that’s another story.
Something you can rely on – islamophilic BBC journos will remain unlikely targets.
Shouting Islamic Slogans going in, “the prophet is avenged” coming out?.
“Ironsides” … He s just stating there will be a lot of head scratching, on BBC 5Live?, important not to jump to conclusions,
doesn t appear to have a religious motive etc.
While a France24 reporter says its a distinct possibility, someone back from Syria has organised it …
Sheesh!
Haven t they tried Willie Vague s repatriation scheme?
maybe another French outbreak of erm … “mental illness”?
Increased security in Paris, hope they make sure its concentrated
around Mosques because of the, “backlashTM”, and …
some Beebot Islamophile start a,
# “I ll feign offence with you”
campaign. I hear that
Buraq
“the future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam”
Obama … is to speak
http://youtu.be/T6uZFSj_ueM
Sky have just shown the footage, albeit pixelated and slightly edited, but will the bBC show it.
edit: just a single frame.
BBC still hoping it was white supremacists in Paris.
Sky news saying Islamist Terrorist attack and on Beeb live a tweet moaning about the anti-Islam tweets.
Perhaps it’s early days but the BBC 1 One o’clock news report from Paris seemed rather curtailed considering the usual coverage of such events. It was almost as though BBC editors were keen to cut away from this major breaking news story to their pre-prepared package on the NHS. Just my imagination, I’m sure.
That’s exactly as I read the situation.
The package on health was well prepared to coincide with tne assault staged via PMQ’s.
However, events dear boy have conspired to derail their plan.
The French terrorist issue was dealt with, with undue haste, and shelved as soon as possible to lead into the NHS Labour Party Political Broadcast.
And me.
BBC News channel is already attempting to excuse the Paris Islamist murders by asking contributors if the magazine was wrong to publish its satirical views.
Their coverage is very muted too, they are clearly holding back showing what Sky is broadcasting. I suspect they are doing their best to play it down.
Don’t worry everybody; it’s only those ‘Lone Gunmen’ again!
When Christianity was satirised by ‘Life of Brian’, the only danger of a violent Christian backlash was when Malcom Muggeridge was wheeled out for a BBC show debating the film!
Ironically, Life of Brian was filmed in Tunisia !
The Muslims wouldn’t allow it to be filmed there today.
Yes, INBBC, e.g. Radio 5, is already providing politically empathetic, uncritical propaganda to Islamic interests in Britain in relation to the barbaric Islamic jihad massacre in Paris.
Next stage of INBBC propaganda will be on the lines of:-
how bad is ‘Islamophobia’ in Europe?
(Here are twenty five imams to answer our loaded question.)
There will be no INBBC open discussion of opposing the Islamisation of Europe and Britain.
There will be no recognition of Islamofascism.
Will BBC-NUJ organise demos outside BBC HQ in protest against massacre by Islamic jihadists in Paris, and in support of freedom of expression?
Or are BBC-NUJ demos outside BBC confined to supporting Al Jazeera?
‘The tradition combines left-wing radicalism with a provocative scurrility that often borders on the obscene. Its decision to mock the Prophet Muhammad in 2011 was entirely consistent with its historic raison d’etre’.
In other words the BBC is planting the suggestion that they had it coming.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30710883
Cameron says:
“The murders in Paris are sickening. We stand with the French people in the fight against terror and defending the freedom of the press.”
Isn’t it precisely because our politicians, our institutions, our media and the loathsome BBC, in particular, HAVEN’T SUPPORTED FREE SPEECH that we have arrived at this ‘sickening’ point in European history?
Cameron-May-Clegg are dangerous hypocrites who have banned anti-Islamic jihad Americans, Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer, from Britain.
And Beeboids are totally disinterested.
They are not disinterested. They are actively and deliberately uninterested.
I understand that the UK Government are reviewing security. This means that all measures will be taken to prevent a backlash, and you had better watch what you say on Twitter. And don’t attend any demonstrations against Islam. Meanwhile, Cameron’s UAF will very likely be drawn into government legitimacy.