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  1. Geoff says:
    February 10, 2015 at 12:34 am

    Local bBC is a diversity laden joke and probably more biased than it national output, its just that most of the bias goes by unnoticed by the majority.

    No mention on bBC Points West tonight of Wiltshire police’s information gathering techniques. Local TV should be about public service and information and the public certainly need to know what their local police ‘service’ is up to. The bBC unfit for purpose and a bloody waste of our money.

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    • Merched Becca says:
      February 10, 2015 at 12:36 am

      Geoff
      Same for BBC Wales

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    • AsISeeIt says:
      February 10, 2015 at 8:53 am

      The BBC London common or garden variety of news is similary more biased than the national version. I vaguely remember a time, years ago, when London news was a repeat version of what had happened nationally – because most of it was capital-based. Plus a survey of major bank raids that had occured in London.

      Then some bright spark at the BBC had the glorious idea of turning local news into a ‘community unit’. The rest is history. With Red Ken Livingston’s second coming as mayor the BBC became an extention of his press office. Now we are in anti-Boris mode.

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    • Deborah says:
      February 10, 2015 at 2:33 pm

      Look North for Yorkshire and Lincolnshire with Tim Iredale as the political editor could be straight from a Labour Party meeting with Diana Johnson, the North Hull Labour MP making a near daily appearance for a soft interview.

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      • Dave666 says:
        February 10, 2015 at 3:26 pm

        Anyone having the misfortune to watch North West will again recognise the over the top pro liebour agenda. With a bit of fashionable jumping on the bandwagon Fracking being the fashion of the moment. Truly unfit for purpose.

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  2. I Can See Clearly Now says:
    February 10, 2015 at 12:53 am

    Is this legal?

    Does anyone know a female sound/visual technician we could hire for this event in Gtr Manchester on 26 March? Pls RT

    @boodleoops

    Would this be legal?

    Does anyone know a male …..?

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  3. The Lord says:
    February 10, 2015 at 6:52 am

    ‘Let’s not feel too sorry for Assad’ says Jermy Bowen ‘after all, he lives in a palace while many of his countrymen live in rubble’ (Today Programme, R4, this morning)
    Er, that’d be the rubble created by your Islamist friends, jermy. And where would you like a head of state to live? Terraced house? Bedsit? Doubt he could afford an elegant townhouse in leafy Camberwell, eh jermy?

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    • Dave666 says:
      February 10, 2015 at 3:28 pm

      Did I hear Jeza tell us that ISIS moved into the vacuum, created by the civil war?

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    • I Can See Clearly Now says:
      February 11, 2015 at 12:15 am

      ‘Let’s not feel too sorry for Assad’ says Jermy Bowen ‘after all, he lives in a palace while many of his countrymen live in rubble’ (Today Programme, R4, this morning)

      A News Channel Beeboid bowled him a soft ball ‘Where does Assad live himself?’ later in the morning prompting a repeat of that smear, but Bowen looked uncomfortable and muttered about ‘they say that’.. he is currently living in an ordinary house. I thought the exchange was unusual; now I understand.

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  4. Thoughtful says:
    February 10, 2015 at 8:49 am

    For how long has the BBC in its self righteous hand wringing self loathing pomp been pushing the FACT that dairy foods are bad for us, fur up our arteries and cause heart attacks. They almost destroyed the dairy industry, and yet we now learn that it was all based on minimal evidence and has now been proved not to do us any harm at all.

    In fact the advice which caused people to stop eating dairy and move to carbohydrates may have actually been the trigger for the obesity we are now seeing.

    The BBC doesn’t hold itself responsible in any way though, the people who reported this at the time are no longer reporting for the BBC, so the collective blame is on them, and not on the new presenters or the corporation.

    It raises some huge questions though, like what else have the BBC reported as ‘fact’ which later turns out not to be. It’s not the first food advice which has just been plain wrong, nor the first time the media has reported dodgy research as ‘Fact’

    I wonder how long it will be before some ambitious graduates wanting to make a name and a lot of money, decide that ‘climate change’ is a myth and we’re either going into another ice age or nothing much is changing!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2946617/Butter-ISN-T-bad-Major-study-says-80s-advice-dairy-fats-flawed.html

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    • Guest Who says:
      February 10, 2015 at 9:32 am

      Facts are interesting things, especially in the hands of such as the BBC.

      Some here seem quite smitten with them, if ironically oblivious to their seeing facts they like as accurate, and those they don’t in the hands of others as less so.

      It’s not just the BBC of course, but as a vastly funded news entity with thousands of ‘journalists’ (most dubiously qualified in much of anything) and ever-expanding magazines, trends, blogs, etc to employ more, it is not surprising but still not excusable that any PR that oozes in is pounced on to repackage as ‘news’. With ‘research’ from ‘scientists who say’ doubleplusgood.

      At the end of the day, so much now is so contradictory, pushed out in such volume it becomes white noise filler at best.

      Which is a pity, as there is sensible science that could be sensibly promoted. But if it’s via the BBC I tend to dismiss it as probably high on agenda and low on accuracy or challenge.

      Making a compelled £145.50 for such a service questionable value.

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    • JohnM says:
      February 10, 2015 at 10:21 am

      Similarly with the demand that we eat plenty of carbohydrates. Research papers for years have shown that they cause a rise in blood sugar, which can eventually can cause diabetes and obesity.

      I have an old book “Eat fat; get thin” which I have used for my eating “Bible”. I will be 80 next year, fit as a fiddle, weigh 72kg and still have a 32 inch waist. For exercise, I walk well over 1000 km each year.

      Modern dietitians – Pah!

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    • johnnythefish says:
      February 10, 2015 at 1:42 pm

      Not like the BBC to plug findings which are down to ‘evidence based science’.

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      • Arthur Penney says:
        February 10, 2015 at 2:50 pm

        Sounded like a systematic review of the data – the concern is that the researcher has just done on-line searches when at that time research papers were just hard copy.

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    • Richard Pinder says:
      February 10, 2015 at 6:07 pm

      (1) “what else have the BBC reported as ‘fact’ which later turns out not to be”

      Mostly anything to do with Climate Change, including the most important one of all, the basic core error in computer models for the calibration of Carbon Dioxide warming. An error produced by Svante August Arrhenius in 1896. Proven to be an error by Planetary Atmospheric Astronomers Ned Nikolov & Karl Zeller. Which is what Piers Corbyn is talking about in a more complex way than me.

      (2) “I wonder how long it will be before some ambitious graduates wanting to make a name and a lot of money, decide that ‘climate change’ is a myth and we’re either going into another ice age or nothing much is changing”

      I don’t think Ned Nikolov & Karl Zeller are ambitious graduates with lots of money. And as far as I know, they are not known much outside of Oxford, BiasedBBC, Weatheraction and Mensa. But it is proven that the Climate does change, and that the scientist Henrik Svensmark provides the core basics for the cause of that, and that other scientists provide the mechanism for the prediction of a mini-Ice age from about 2018.

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  5. Geoff says:
    February 10, 2015 at 9:04 am

    It poses the question should we believe any of the health scare crap they throw at us almost daily, indeed should we believe anything the oh so authoritative bBC tell us?

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  6. Mrs Kitty says:
    February 10, 2015 at 9:54 am

    Still trying to get the word out about the March. The Beeb has a comment section on fitness trackers , I’ve jumped on it waiting to see how long before I get moderated again. I’m in at 44. This is starting to amuse me …….what rubbish can I write to justify a comment and still get my point across. I do have a life honest LOL.

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    • The Lord says:
      February 10, 2015 at 10:30 am

      Perhaps if you moaned about the 30 EDL members ‘attending’ the march?

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    • Roland Deschain says:
      February 10, 2015 at 10:55 am

      You’ve been removed for breaking the house rules.
      t1000_wag.jpg

      As a matter of interest, what did you say? So that others might learn from it.

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      • Mrs Kitty says:
        February 10, 2015 at 11:43 am

        All I said was …..I despair, a Bbc reporter reports on fitness trackers and no mention on the BBC of a March Through London Against Free Speech. Too cold was it ?????? I watched a video and they even kicked a wreath of poppies. Not In The Public Interest Then.
        Ok a bit Off Topic. But I didn’t mention their religion or colour or anything like that. LOL

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    • Dave666 says:
      February 10, 2015 at 3:35 pm

      You were removed 6 hours ago 🙁

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  7. Thoughtful says:
    February 10, 2015 at 9:57 am

    BBC radio 4 decides to bring on another mindless pro Muslim Jew, when will they get the message not to defend those who want to kill them?

    She launches into a full blown attack on Pegida defends Islamisation and cannot see anything wrong with Islam, after all it’s not anti Semitic at all !

    It beggars belief that someone who has experienced second hand the Nazi persecution would think it so wonderful that it should happen all over again !

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05289w7

    German writer Julia Franck reflects on her move from East Germany to West Berlin as a child, and her initial experience as a refugee, which has informed how she views the challenges facing Europe now.

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  8. George R says:
    February 10, 2015 at 10:08 am

    Rotherham, etc.

    Where are Beeboids on this?:-

    “UK Muslim rape gang victims ‘sacrificed’ so Labour wouldn’t lose Muslim votes.”

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/02/uk-muslim-rape-gang-victims-sacrificed-so-labour-wouldnt-lose-muslim-votes

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    • George R says:
      February 10, 2015 at 10:34 am

      ‘The Times’ (£)-

      “We must say the unsayable about Rotherham”

      By Melanie Phillips.

      [Opening excerpt]:-

      “The refusal to acknowledge that grooming gangs are Muslim has had a catastrophic effect.
      “In her report on the shocking Rotherham child abuse scandal, Louise Casey, head of the government’s troubled families programme, threw the book at the council as ‘not fit for purpose’.The lessons of this story, however, surely go way beyond this one disgraced local authority.”

      http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4348037.ece

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    • Thoughtful says:
      February 10, 2015 at 11:36 am

      He’s simply wrong about this. It wouldn’t matter if ALL the Muslims in Rotherham left Labour and voted for another party. The stupid white people would vote Labour even if the party policy was to torture them to death !
      After all this came out and the Labour Police Commissioner was finally forced to resign, who did they vote in ? Yep another Labour commissioner !
      To suggest that this was something to do with a fear of losing votes is misguided at best and Luegenpresse at worst.

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      • I Can See Clearly Now says:
        February 10, 2015 at 11:49 am

        Don’t despair; people pretty much ignored the Police elections, so it’s not a good guide. At the Council Election and the European election, UKIP got more votes than Labour So, assuming most Muslims vote Labour, most whiteys are voting UKIP.

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      • Suffer the little children. says:
        February 10, 2015 at 11:59 am

        Your comment is thoughtless. Are you another one that would deride and ignore the victims?

        Jessica, (a sex gang victim) said local politicians “buried the truth to suit their own ends”.
        She said: “I’ve said all along that this has been about two things – money and power.” “Girls like me were sacrificed because no-one wanted the boat rocked because they knew it’d cost them votes if the finger of blame was pointed and because they thought we were worthless.”

        I prefer to believe Jessica.

        It is not difficult to understand, Muslims men abused the children and the labour politicians and the police colluded. Now and only now do the people know the truth, no thanks to the BBC. So now let’s see how the people vote in May.

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        • Thoughtful says:
          February 10, 2015 at 2:19 pm

          The mindset of some people on here is frankly unbelievable !

          How on earth can you possibly draw the conclusion that I am “another one that would deride and ignore the victims?”

          From your comments I conclude that you are a paedophile axe murderer and arsonist, after all it’s as valid a conclusion to draw as your is !

          Please explain how my point that left wing Fascists turned white people into victims because they believed in their own twisted way that white people deserve to be victims, in any way disregards the victims?

          You prefer to believe a traumatised girl who has no insight into the workings of the Labour party – fair enough it’s up to you who you believe.

          Many people believed Hitler was a good man, or refused to believe just how bad he was.

          You are a silly man! You think this is as simple as what’s presented to your face by the media. It runs far deeper and darker than that.
          Start talking to a few of these people and you’ll find out just how much they hate their own kind. We don’t know the truth – you don’t know the truth because you can’t accept or deal with the truth !

          Maybe once a little girl tells you what’s happening you’ll believe it then?

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          • Suffer the little children. says:
            February 10, 2015 at 6:29 pm

            Your vile and rambling comment says more about you than me.
            Once again I prefer to believe the victims and so should you rather than pontificating nonsense from your ivory tower.

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      • Arthur Penney says:
        February 10, 2015 at 2:52 pm

        Although in truth the total voting was skewed by the massive Labour support in Sheffield. In Rotherham it was neck and neck.

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  9. dave s says:
    February 10, 2015 at 10:15 am

    Unless I am corrected the March has not been covered. That is it then.
    We now know what the BBC really is. Not biased merely but just a Luegenpresse outfit that is funded by extortion.
    Welcome to East Germany circa 1955.
    There is a culture war in England between those who are conservative, patriotic and value the history and traditions of the nation and the liberal elite.
    How can anybody doubt where the BBC stands now?

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    • Mrs Kitty says:
      February 10, 2015 at 10:22 am

      All we can do is our little subversive bit (according to the Beeb) keep jumping on their comments section . A few extra bodies might read and become aware of how they’ve been led down the path . Small steps and I have to admit good fun .

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  10. Dazed & Confused says:
    February 10, 2015 at 10:35 am

    The conquering Islamic army sets foot at Birmingham airport over the weekend for their Charlis Hezbo Downing street protest…..

    How do they get away with this, earning a police chaperone to boot?

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    • Charlatans says:
      February 10, 2015 at 11:44 am

      What on earth is this about?

      Who are these people arriving?
      From where?
      Who invited them?
      For what reason?

      Be very grateful for more info please.

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      • Donisthorpe boot boy. says:
        February 10, 2015 at 11:51 am

        Didn’t stop at the duty free shop, WTF.

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      • Anne says:
        February 10, 2015 at 11:51 am

        The circus is in town.

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      • Geoff says:
        February 10, 2015 at 12:21 pm

        I’d like to know as well, obviously the police were aware of their arrival, but as ever us, the public kept in the dark, our national broadcaster should be broadcasting events like this, maybe too inconvenient?

        Youtube gives no clue as to who they are either and comments disabled, were it not for the bobbies in their helmets, one who seriously have to doubt that this were taking place in England.

        Truly shocking and a taste of whats to come.

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        • Roland Deschain says:
          February 10, 2015 at 1:17 pm

          Do we have any evidence as to when this was actually taken, and what the march was about?

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          • Guest Who says:
            February 10, 2015 at 2:01 pm

            Sources close to anyone who the BBC can make up that can’t be verified suggest they have learned it was a while ago, protesting the terrible valet parking conditions for moonlighting medics picking up fares at Glasgow arrivals.

            Only just came to light due to, well, who knows… sensitivities?

            Be funny if they’d encountered a Hare Krishna squad coming out the ‘Nothing to Declare’. Who’d have had to give way?

            Lucky that backpacked kid with the iPad wasn’t German if he’d caught any young British lady in his sweep.

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    • jorshaw says:
      February 10, 2015 at 11:49 am

      But, of course, Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer were banned. Perhaps because they didn’t display the exquisite dress sense of these fine men.

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  11. I Can See Clearly Now says:
    February 10, 2015 at 10:37 am

    BBC NHS News Channel: Man has sex with woman shocker!

    Wimmin from Femen protest the sexual objectification of women by …er… taking their tops off.

    The one with her head pinned to the pavement is a bit of a looker; you clearly need to spend a bit of time getting your makeup right when you’re off to protest about ‘objectification’.

    Topless protesters jump on Dominique Strauss-Kahn’s car at trial

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  12. MartinW says:
    February 10, 2015 at 10:40 am

    I am so used to al-Bowen propagating lies on the behalf of Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood, and sundry anti-democratic islamist groups, that I was somewhat surprised at his reasonably fair interview with Bashir al-Assad, as broadcast this morning on the Today programme. Not sympathetic, of course, but not openly hostile and aggressive. However, I greatly objected to the discussion that immediately followed between Bowen and Justin Webb. JW started by stating quite bluntly that Assad was lying throughout, and Bowen clearly agreed. It is not right that the BBC editorialises in this way, especially that no balancing views were given by a supporter of Bashir’s secular islam (or even a dispassionate observer). No, it was the single BBC-Bowen opinion all the way. A balanced news organisation would at least given space for views such as expressed in the Huffington Post link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/graham-e-fuller/us-assad-isis-strategy_b_5898142.html and in Global Research http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-syrians-support-bashar-al-assad/5405208

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  13. Odo Saunders says:
    February 10, 2015 at 10:58 am

    The BBC is still not properly reporting the Rotherham abuse scandal, despite a statement from David Greenwood, a solicitor who represents 38 of the victims, to the effect that further evidence could emerge of a link between the police and the Moslem perpetrators of these vile sexual oddences. Two of his clients have made official complaints against the late PC Ali, who was recently killed in a road accident. If such a link is finally established, the BBC, and in particular its editorial staff, would be guilty of the criminal offence of conspiracy.

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    • George R says:
      February 10, 2015 at 11:27 am

      Supplementary.

      Excerpt from Melanie Phillips, ‘The Times’ (£)-

      “Yet even now, anyone who raises concerns about immigration or Muslim misdeeds is branded and demonised as racist, Islamophobic and (always) right-wing. Whether such concerns are actually justified isn’t even considered. The truth is made toxic by the vilification of those who speak it.

      “Britain’s entire administrative class now genuflects to these orthodoxies. Which is why Rotherham’s grooming gangs and their cover-up are unlikely to be the end of the story, either there or elsewhere.”

      -from-

      http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4348037.ece

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      • Pounce says:
        February 10, 2015 at 1:04 pm

        George,
        I first came across the grooming gang stories in the late 90s regards Lancashire and then anybody who mentioned it was demonized . Since them Grooming gangs have (Only under this present Government) have been found all over the country and all have been …..Islamic. I feel that all those found to have been guilty of taking no action, should be jailed, have all their assets taken off them in which to send the message that covering up abuse for Allah is not acceptable behaviour.

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        • Llareggub says:
          February 10, 2015 at 1:32 pm

          It does not look as if any of the political parties likely to participate in a future government are going to press hard for the victims of Rotherham. Surely there is a case for recognising some of them as deserving refugee status and an offer of re-settlement in either a civilised country where the rule of law is respected or somewhere in the UK where they can enjoy life, education and some of the things doled out to immigrants arriving here. Damn it these children have been raped, tortured, and their abusers are out there laughing at them with politicians, like the Labour MP for Rotherham, boasting and laughing as thugs declare it a no go area for Nigel Farage’s party

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        • Thoughtful says:
          February 10, 2015 at 2:29 pm

          A good idea, except that many of them are so hopeless with money that they have very little assets, or those like Bob Crow who deliberately take a council house which deprives a needy family of it.
          How about taking the public sector pension pot, and all further contributions? It might be the only substantial asset they actually own.

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        • noggin says:
          February 10, 2015 at 5:55 pm

          Its been going on since the 80s at least, in an organised fashion, and would have been before but for lack of numbers … however unsavoury stories were emerging about Pak gang rapes normally of young prostitutes, you want to know why the public has such revulsion for the Islamic Pak community … it started with soldiers or workers who had been in then India … then a totally untrustworthy, arrogant wave of unwanted Pak immigrants … that Pak Islamic community, (and the Islamic community in general) has grown, so has their filthy crime wave, now to epidemic proportions. …
          The whole political class is to blame, as is the media,
          The oft repeated warning signs were there for all to see, infiltration into local government, then national government has aided in this silence … and is STILL HAPPENING.

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    • johnnythefish says:
      February 10, 2015 at 1:51 pm

      The BBC are now slavishly following the Hacked Off/Hope Not Hate/UAF agenda, which is to avoid portraying Islam in a negative light (see earlier link to andrew Gilligan article).

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    • Scribblingscribe says:
      February 10, 2015 at 10:42 pm

      I am as angry and perplexed as you Odo Saunders, but how would the BBC be guilty of “the criminal offence of conspiracy. ”

      The BBC’s collective silence is booming around the country but it is not illegal.

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  14. I Can See Clearly Now says:
    February 10, 2015 at 11:24 am

    Since the first Monday in January when Miliband re-launched Labour as a one-issue party, the BBC has obsessed over every aspect of the NHS. The Tories have scrambled to defend themselves. Given the BBC’s propaganda, it is extraordinary that Hugh Pym has an article this morning asking:

    Are ministers too focused on the NHS?

    In an outstanding piece of investigative journalism, Hugh has learned that a high level ministerial committee has been meeting weekly to monitor activity in the NHS.

    Who would have believed it?

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    • johnnythefish says:
      February 10, 2015 at 2:07 pm

      Is it that extraordinary? He concludes with:

      ‘The Government’s health reforms established NHS England as an arms length body. Yet every Monday morning some of the most senior players in the Government seem keen to get as close as they can to the levers of power in the NHS.’

      In contrast, I don’t recall hearing any of this on the BBC – wonder why?

      ‘What of the trivial, possibly timewasting, cases? Remarkably, 52 per cent of those who come to A&E are sent away without needing treatment, or given only “guidance and advice”. Equally interestingly, among the heaviest users are people in their twenties. This age group is among the healthiest in society – but they visit A&E more often than people in their sixties and seventies……

      NHS England has 573,000 clinicians – doctors, nurses, paramedics, radiologists and medically qualified staff. That is 17,000 more than when the Government came to office. It also employs 10,000 more medical support staff, and more staff overall. Almost 5 per cent of Britain’s labour force works for the NHS.

      The supposed “toxic cuts”, meanwhile, have seen the health budget rise from £98 billion in Labour’s last year to £113 billion this year, a real-terms increase of 2.5 per cent. The proportion of that budget spent on commissioning private providers has gone up under the Coalition from 4.9 per cent to – wait for it – 6.1 per cent. Private involvement in the health service rose faster in every year of the last Labour government than in any year of the Lib-Con government.’

      A proper investigative journalist who could teach his former colleagues a thing or three.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/11337430/Why-this-AandE-crisis-isnt-a-simple-emergency-about-cash.html

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  15. johnnythefish says:
    February 10, 2015 at 12:32 pm

    Funny how the BBC quotes Gaza as being instrumental in the rise of anti-Semitism as though it gives the Islamo-fascists and those from the far left some kind of excuse, yet in all its coverage of the Israel/’Palestine’ conflict consistently fails to mention Arab determination to wipe Israel off the face of the map, viz: three full-scale wars and a clearly stated objective in the constitution of Hammas.

    Funny, that.

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    • Pounce says:
      February 10, 2015 at 12:50 pm

      Johnny the idiots at the bBC when they come out with these that they themselves have inadvertently exposed themselves as lying bastards Here is a graph from the bBC which shows the rise of Anti-Semitism in Western countries under the title Is there a ‘rising tide’ of anti-Semitism in the West?
      Looking at the graph below you’d think that Anti-Semitism would have fallen in 2005 (When Israel left Gaza) it rose
      _77036155_anti-semitic-incidents_624.gif

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      • johnnythefish says:
        February 10, 2015 at 2:10 pm

        What’s the opposite of ‘hide the decline’?

        A quick call to their friend Michael Mann and they can get this graph sorted, no problem (with full UN backing, of course).

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  16. Guest Who says:
    February 10, 2015 at 12:42 pm

    In other news, as links are loved, and the wrong kind of facts on the line so trouble some, a bumper crop:

    http://tradingaswdr.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/cheers.html?

    ‘her package rose’

    As they do. And not just in the car park. Luckily, in the Beeboid World keeping pace with market rates trumps other index measures, and what goes up can only go up lots more.

    One must empathise with those mostly still frozen on only £150,000, poor loves. Maybe they could join banks?

    http://tradingaswdr.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/luxury.html?

    ‘..once owned by the BBC. It has also long been rumoured that there is a bunker on site,’

    Don’t they all? Be still my aching sides. Downfall with Lord Hall Hall looms.

    http://tradingaswdr.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/gagmeister.html?

    A greater concern is, surely, he’ll be up for another salary. Third now, is it? Good Lord. All those £150k’s do add up.

    http://tradingaswdr.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/money-matters.html

    ‘The BBC Trust’s new command and control system for dealing with Auntie’s commercial operations is as clear as mud. ‘

    Shocked I tell you.. shocked.

    A cynic may say this is not market rate incompetence, but deliberate talent at play. Certainly complements the institutional astounding uncuriosity and cyclical Alzheimers that strikes when in front off a PAC, NAO or other Parliamentary Committee if a Lordly droite du seigneur exemption attempt founders.

    Meanwhile, in the real world…

    ‘Let’s hope the independent review gets some real prices and answers’

    Presuming a nifty ‘purposes of’ doesn’t see such accountability headed of at the pass.

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  17. The Old Bloke says:
    February 10, 2015 at 12:48 pm

    Boston, USA, the snowiest 30 day period (month) eva! More proof of more *coldest eva* records being broken. Strange thing is, the IPCC and the BBC keep telling me it has been the warmest eva. But then you would expect these kind of things from the BBC where in their world black is white and white is black. As a footnote expect reports in some quarters that 2015 will be one of the coldest on record in the U.K. when we get to January next year.

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  19. Guest Who says:
    February 10, 2015 at 2:05 pm

    http://bbcwatch.org/2015/02/10/bbcs-lyse-doucet-reports-from-rawabi-inaccuracies-and-omissions/

    Frankly, if Ms. Doucet, or indeed most BBC output, with the word ‘reports’ in there, the last two are tautology.

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    • johnnythefish says:
      February 10, 2015 at 2:18 pm

      I’m not normally one for ad hominems but, bloody hell, Lyse Doucet makes The Grim Reaper look like Coco the Clown.

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  20. Pounce says:
    February 10, 2015 at 2:20 pm

    The bBC reports:
    Tube drivers vote to go on strike over colleague sacking
    Drivers on London Underground have voted to go on strike over the sacking of a colleague for failing an alcohol breath test. The Rail, Maritime and Transport union (RMT) has accused bosses of seeking to sack “effective trade union activists”.

    Here is what the bBC leave out of that report:
    The dismissed train operator, an RMT member on the Northern line, failed two unannounced random breath alcohol tests at Morden depot in June last year. Several other employees were tested during the same period, in accordance with standard union-agreed testing protocol, and all others passed the test.

       25 likes

    • Guest Who says:
      February 10, 2015 at 4:44 pm

      ‘Here is what the bBC leave out of that report”

      Ah, was going to say no space for such non-newsworthy aspects or context, one suspects.

      But then I do note:

      10 February 2015 Last updated at 16:02

      Maybe the story ‘evolved’?

         4 likes

  21. Scotty says:
    February 10, 2015 at 3:11 pm

    Why do you people think Uncle Adolf is left-wing?

       0 likes

  22. Roland Deschain says:
    February 10, 2015 at 3:25 pm

    The case for a non-white Spider-Man

    Comments are not going particularly well. For instance:

    20. U14758196
    12 Minutes ago
    And apparently Chris Pine has got the main part in the remake of Shaft.

       12 likes

    • Guest Who says:
      February 10, 2015 at 4:24 pm

      I thought he was red and blue?

      Now, that Venom cove…. very non-white, him.

         4 likes

    • TPO says:
      February 10, 2015 at 5:00 pm

      During one of my sojourns in the Mid East in the 70’s we were grateful of the occasional film that turned up, often sitting through the most appalling pap and usually watched outside with pauses whilst the reels were changed.
      I managed all of 10 minutes of Shaft before leaving. Never been to a darkie movie since.

         5 likes

    • Luton Reject says:
      February 10, 2015 at 6:12 pm

      As a long term Marvelite, I couldn’t let the wild inaccuracies to suit an agenda in the black Spider-man article go unanswered. My complaint has gone in –

      The report “The case for a non-white Spider-man” contains several inaccuracies which seem to reflect the points the author wants to make rather than the facts. 1) “Heroes from minority backgrounds have been rare in the comics world.” Not true. Over the last ten years this has been addressed by both DC and Marvel and nowadays they have many ethnic heroes. This should have been reflected in the article. 2) “Most of the ones featured actually have the word “black” as part of their alter egos (Black Lighting and Black Panther, among others).” Again entirely untrue. Of all the black heroes introduced over the years I would estimate less than 5% have black in their name and none have these days. Also “Black Panther” is based on the jungle cat and is nothing to do with race. 3) “The dark-skinned, bald Samuel L. Jackson is now synonymous with Nick Fury even though the comic book character has been a white man with salt-and-pepper hair for decades.” Again not true. Nick Fury has been black In the Marvel Ultimate Universe since 2001 and his look was actually based on Samuel L. Jackson! In short, this was a sub-standard article more concerned with an agenda than with accuracy.

         7 likes

  23. George R says:
    February 10, 2015 at 3:58 pm

    While Beeboids had a jokey item (‘World at One’ today) on police in Hampshire demanding names of people who bought Charlie Hebdo mag,
    BUT in Rotherham, as even Beeboids must now know-

    “POLICE ACCUSED OF HELPING ROTHERHAM ABUSERS, MP FAILED TO ACT”

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/02/09/police-accused-of-helping-rotherham-abusers-mp-failed-to-act/

       17 likes

    • Llareggub says:
      February 10, 2015 at 6:27 pm

      It was the Wiltshire cops who investigated purchasers of Charlie Hebdo. They have since apologised, but it is revealing as to the thinking of the police. However, noting allegations of police covering up the Rotherham abusers it might be worth speculating whether the conspiracy theorists are correct about the affiliations of the police officer who enquired about Charlie Hebdo purchasers and whether their names will be passed on to people who might be interested. Conspiracy thinking perhaps, but they said that about Rotherham didn’t they?

      http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/02/09/police-accused-of-demanding-names-of-british-charlie-hebdo-buyers/

         7 likes

  24. Dave666 says:
    February 10, 2015 at 3:59 pm

    I declare a stand in support for Miss kitty & I am now also commencing hit & run attacks on open comments on the BBc webpage to highlight http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/muslims-protest-against-cartoons-of-prophet-mohamed-in-face-of-britain-first-counterdemo-10032912.html and the BBcs non reporting Just added to the inane and pointless spiderman story. Anyone else want to play?

       17 likes

    • Roland Deschain says:
      February 10, 2015 at 4:16 pm

      You have been referred for further consideration.

         7 likes

    • Mrs Kitty says:
      February 10, 2015 at 4:19 pm

      Thank you for your support. It’s just a little hard getting the old head a way to twist a comment so you can launch into a rant. I’ll go on the Spider-Man one myself now.

         12 likes

      • Roland Deschain says:
        February 10, 2015 at 4:29 pm

        I’ve had a go. Comparing the attitude to discussing one cartoon character with a strange reluctance to discuss marches complaining about other cartoons.

        I don’t expect it to last.

           19 likes

        • Guest Who says:
          February 10, 2015 at 4:40 pm

          It already seems to be spiralling wonderfully out of control…

          We’re having some problems rating this comment at the moment. Sorry. We’re doing our best to fix it.

          I bet they are.

          A harbinger of things to come?

             13 likes

      • Captain Panick says:
        February 10, 2015 at 4:42 pm

        I support Mrs Kitty, in fact ‘ Je Suis Mrs Kitty’. I have added Comment 142 in her support….

        0
        Comment number 142. Captain Panick
        JUST NOW
        Was Miles Morales marching down Whitehall on Sunday? We may never know as nobody marched down Whitehall on Sunday, trampling on statues of war heroes, according to the BBC.

           24 likes

        • Roland Deschain says:
          February 10, 2015 at 4:47 pm

          I just read that. Respect.

          An honourable mention to Morrissey Smiff: “Why can’t we have a black Graham Norton ?”

          Oh dear. I really must get some work done.

             18 likes

        • The Beebinator says:
          February 10, 2015 at 5:03 pm

          LOL your comment didnt last long

             9 likes

        • Captain Panick says:
          February 10, 2015 at 5:03 pm

          I’ve just got my BBC E Mail saying my comment has been removed as it was considered to be off topic for the discussion. Free Speech eh!

             17 likes

          • Dave666 says:
            February 10, 2015 at 6:15 pm

            Was it like this? Dear BBC Visitor,

            Thank you for contributing to the BBC web site. Unfortunately we’ve had to remove the content below because it contravened one of our House Rules.

            Your comment was considered to have broken the following House Rule:

            “We reserve the right to fail comments which…

            Are considered to be off-topic for the discussion.”

            For more information about the House Rule your comment broke, please visit –
            http://www.bbc.co.uk/social/moderation/house-rules#faqitem-3-8

            You can read the House Rules in full here –
            http://www.bbc.co.uk/social/moderation/house-rules

            Take care when copying text from someone else’s post into your own. If the text you have copied into your post is seen to break the House Rules, your entire post will be removed.

            Please note that anyone who seriously or repeatedly breaks the House Rules may have action taken against their account without further warning.

            Please do not reply to this email. If you wish to appeal against a moderation decision, please visit – http://www.bbc.co.uk/social/moderation/faqs/appeals

            Regards,
            Central Communities Team
            http://www.bbc.co.uk/social/moderation/

            Roll on next comment opportunity.

               14 likes

            • stewart says:
              February 10, 2015 at 7:43 pm

              “Regards,
              Central Communities Team”
              Perhaps they could shorten that to
              ‘Central Comintern’

                 6 likes

      • Dave666 says:
        February 10, 2015 at 6:22 pm

        Comment 144 is showing @2hours. Huzzar!

           5 likes

        • Captain Panick says:
          February 10, 2015 at 6:38 pm

          Je Suis Mrs Kitty

          Just had another go….Comment 255

          Oh I get it now! The gender negative, arachnid enhanced, multi faith, transsexual humanoid, will travel by a variety of means and be filmed over a diverse and cultural capital in the Western Hemisphere. Proposed scenes include an arachnid March down ‘GreenHall’ on a day called ‘ MoonDay’. Prayers from the extras wil be optional.

             16 likes

          • dave s says:
            February 10, 2015 at 8:24 pm

            I am going to write to my MP and ask him to ask the BBC exactly why there was no report of the March.
            The BBC will have to answer . Could be interesting. I suggest some of you do the same.
            This has the potential to really get up their noses.

               16 likes

            • Dave666 says:
              February 10, 2015 at 8:53 pm

              I think I will just complain to the BBc as to why they didn’t run the story….. oh look I already have. “Can you explain why the BBC has decided not to cover the Muslim protest at Charlie Hebdo cartoons in Downing Street on the 8/2/2015?”All bloggers Please feel free to play this game as well as hit & run.

                 13 likes

              • dave s says:
                February 10, 2015 at 10:15 pm

                The BBC never admits anything. it is like the old Politbureau. All the feedback crap is window dressing. All the complaints procedure is seriously designed to make the complainant give up in despair.
                But we can annoy them. That is about it.
                A quite extraordinary state of affairs. We have the BBC especially R4 assuming it has the right to call others to account. R4 tries this every single day.
                The unnaccountable calling the accountable to account. The BBC all over.
                This bunch really are the pits.

                   10 likes

              • deegee says:
                February 10, 2015 at 10:19 pm

                I’m waiting for the first Muslim to complain the BBC didn’t cover the march because the BBC is pro-Israel.

                   11 likes

    • Guest Who says:
      February 10, 2015 at 4:30 pm

      Sounds fun.

      I may just take bets on when comments close as office PCs start to shut down across the land and tablets soon fire up on various station platforms.

      Meantime, in the spirit of civlised, factual, non-u lot debate, one may wonder out loud what some think of the BBC’s modding vs. other censorious forums crushing the right to decry old white men, and young women, and blue and red arachnid-mutant types, and…

         9 likes

  25. Lunchtime Loather says:
    February 10, 2015 at 4:26 pm

    Jeremy Vine in “views his own and nothing to do with the BBC” non-surprise as he accepts ‘five-figure sum’ to speak at arms trade dinner…

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/jeremy-vine-under-fire-over-fivefigure-speech-to-arms-trade-10024364.html

    “Last night a BBC spokesman said: “Jeremy is a freelance presenter and so can make personal appearances without speaking on behalf of the BBC, as he did here.””

    So that’s OK then.

       17 likes

  26. TPO says:
    February 10, 2015 at 5:04 pm

    Courtesy of Guido. Here is a clip from a BBC film crew stalking Conservatives as they attend a fund raiser.
    http://order-order.com/2015/02/10/watch-black-and-white-and-blue-all-over/

    Now could possibly have thought that the BBC would be biased.

       15 likes

  27. I Can See Clearly Now says:
    February 10, 2015 at 5:11 pm

    BBC sin of omission – Labour MP criticises immigration but no fuss from the Beeb … whereas UKIP differences are exploited mercilessly:

    Politicians have failed to listen to the public on immigration, warns Labour MP

       15 likes

  28. Mr Glodstone says:
    February 10, 2015 at 6:25 pm

    Had the dubious, dual pleasure of hearing the wearisome Giles Fraser on R4 this morning and then listening to Dennis Skinner with Jeremy Vine at lunchtime on R2.
    Skinner appears to believe that companies should be taxed “on their turnover” something (incredibly) Vine appeared to agree with. That someone can be an MP for so long and be so thick, is something of an achievement.

       18 likes

    • The Old Bloke says:
      February 10, 2015 at 6:39 pm

      If British companies are taxed on turnover most will go out of business overnight. Are Dennis Skinner and Jeremy Vine communists?

         14 likes

      • Mr Glodstone says:
        February 10, 2015 at 7:25 pm

        The Beast of Bolsover is, he proudly announced that he was a socialist. As if it were somehow estimable that you subscribe to a failed ideology which: murdered and enslaved people in their millions; made prisoners of citizens in their own countries; destroyed the economies of those same states and sought the overthrow of democratic societies, such as the one he was born in.

           12 likes

      • stewart says:
        February 10, 2015 at 7:38 pm

        Yes-next question

           2 likes

    • Roland Deschain says:
      February 10, 2015 at 9:14 pm

      Oh dear. What will Alabaman think of such ignorance from a supposedly intelligent person?

         7 likes

      • Albaman says:
        February 10, 2015 at 9:32 pm

        I can differentiate between those who think that businesses, are currently, charged corporation tax based on their turnover and a totally different argument that businesses, in the future, could be charged on their turnover.

        I would have thought you would also be able to make the differentiation!!

           4 likes

        • Al Shubtill says:
          February 10, 2015 at 11:52 pm

          How can you pay tax based on turnover? A business could easily have a turnover of a million pounds a month, but a profit of only ten thousand. If it were to be taxed on the basis of it’s turnover, I don’t think itit wouldn’t be trading for very long.

             3 likes

          • Albaman says:
            February 11, 2015 at 12:13 am

            You are of course correct. But then again I never suggested that a business should be taxed on its turnover.
            Then again a business can be very profitable but unless it turns the profit into cash it will still fail. Suppliers, employees and of course the taxman all want paid in cash – I am afraid being merely profitable does not cut it with them!!

               4 likes

  29. Thoughtful says:
    February 10, 2015 at 6:27 pm

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2947822/Graffiti-artist-attacked-gang-Paris-ghetto-drawing-word-coexist-Christian-Muslim-Jewish-symbols.html

    The URL says most of it, but when the hapless BBC is telling us that MOST Muslims want to live peacefully, but this shows what they are saying simply isn’t right.
    No surprise they aren’t broadcasting anything about the story either.

       12 likes

  30. Llareggub says:
    February 10, 2015 at 6:32 pm

    Al bin Bowen doing well on the highest rated comments in the HYS on Syria. Now why do the punters mistrust him?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-31312414

       9 likes

  31. noggin says:
    February 10, 2015 at 6:34 pm

    BBC weasel words this morning over Halal again on BBC5Live
    meanwhile, a no nonsense approach from Aus.

    “A campaign to NAME AND SHAME Halal-certified companies is gaining momentum in Australia and has already forced one company to ditch its certification and a lucrative contract with it”

    Australians Against Halal – “This Is Australia, We Are Not Islamic”
    ps
    Just listen to the news channels narrative

       12 likes

  32. noggin says:
    February 10, 2015 at 6:55 pm

    BBC News … NOT!
    … if Carlsberg made the BBC Rotherham News report?

    http://youtu.be/G8TtXEhCmcE

       6 likes

  33. Dave666 says:
    February 10, 2015 at 6:59 pm

    I’ll wait to get booted of facebook as I’ve been sharing this link. https://www.change.org/p/the-rt-hon-elizabeth-truss-mp-ban-halal-slaughter-in-the-united-kingdom There seems to be a fair amount of things that go on in Australia that never makes it to the BBc.

       7 likes

  34. Teddy Bear says:
    February 10, 2015 at 7:16 pm

    Gipsy great-grandfather’s body ‘could be EXHUMED’ – because family of Muslim in neighbouring plot don’t want their relative buried next to a ‘non-believer’

    This story creates a real dilemma for the BBC. They can’t run this story without offending a ‘minority’. Particularly when one of them exhibits an inability to integrate.
    So what do they do?

    Exactly the same as they did with story on the march in London yesterday by 10,000 Muslim protesters against free-speech – they pretend it never happened.

    BBC = Je Suis Char(ter)Lie

       20 likes

  35. I Can See Clearly Now says:
    February 10, 2015 at 8:54 pm

    Not [on] The Six O’Clock News

    Former Conservative parliamentary candidate for Stourbridge joins UKIP

       5 likes

  36. Dave666 says:
    February 10, 2015 at 9:10 pm

    Remember a couple of weeks ago when the BBc were running an advertising campaign for the green party? Remember how they were telling us that green party membership was bigger than a big thing, well maybe not exactly. As usual things may not be as they seemed http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/steerpike/2015/02/greens-finally-admit-a-thousand-members-have-not-paid-up/ instead.

       13 likes

  37. Scotty says:
    February 10, 2015 at 9:50 pm

    If Nigel Farage writes a book will it be called Mein Kampf?

       1 likes

    • thoughtful says:
      February 10, 2015 at 11:26 pm

      When Hitler joined the German Workers Party in 1919 it was a trade union and a Socialist outfit.
      Mussolini was a member of the Italian Labour Party
      And Oswald Moseley was a minister in the British Labour party prior to forming the BUF.

      I know it’s easy to see this as black and white, we know communists are left wing so those who oppose them must be right wing? Right?

      Wrong !

      The communist movement has always had its own internal ‘splitters’ see Millipede senior, and it didn’t take the Bolsheviks long to wipe out the Trotskyists.

      Hitler was a different kind of leftists and hated Communists and Jews. He believed in the nationalisation of the means of production, hardly a right wing belief.

      In this light he wrote Mein Kampf

      He was also a great admirer of Islam if not an actual convert.

      In which ways do you see a similarity between this man & Nigel Farage?

      Then again

         13 likes

    • Richard Pinder says:
      February 11, 2015 at 1:54 am

      No, Nigel is a Pro-British patriot, If Farage writes a book, it will be called “A History of the English-Speaking Peoples” and it will win him the Nobel Prize for Literature.

      Thanks for asking Scotty, But only a Pro-EU traitor would write a book with a German Language title.

         5 likes

  38. The Old Bloke says:
    February 10, 2015 at 10:48 pm

    No Scotty, that book has already been written. I often wonder if it is the bed time reading for all the BBC journalists though.

       8 likes

  39. Brian Mac says:
    February 10, 2015 at 11:02 pm

    Scotty! Or is that sooty? The bbc troll – hand puppet. I suppose you really get a thrill out of being a hand puppet for the beeb? If you know what I mean? Eh scotty lol.

       6 likes

  40. I Can See Clearly Now says:
    February 10, 2015 at 11:05 pm

    Two more puff pieces for Sarah Champion tonight. Inside The Commons and with Evan Davis on Newsnight. Basically she claims to be a leading children’s campaigner – not the representative of a disgraced party.

    I’ve never seen an MP given this much free PR at any time and certainly not at election time.

       18 likes

    • MartinW says:
      February 11, 2015 at 10:05 am

      Yes, indeed. I chanced on this, and was disturbed, though not surprised, that Ms Champion was getting such a free ride. Since the egregious Parris was there too, and they were all being so lovey-lovey to each other, it struck me also that there was anti-UKIP element to it. After all, the BBC is well aware of the possibility of UKIP taking the Rotherham seat, and they (and Parris) will do everything to prevent that happening.

         8 likes

  41. Scotty says:
    February 10, 2015 at 11:07 pm

    My other BBC job is being an extra.

    I’ve been an extra on every BBC programme except crimewatch, there is no parts on that for white people.

       3 likes

  42. Dover Sentry says:
    February 10, 2015 at 11:13 pm

    Ignore Scotty!

    By replying to him, you are achieving his objective of disruption.

    He’s not going to respond by saying he is wrong. Trolls don’t do that. Your responses keep him going.

    ..

       4 likes

  43. Scotty says:
    February 10, 2015 at 11:31 pm

       1 likes

  44. noggin says:
    February 11, 2015 at 12:24 am

    BBC – Downing Street Motoon Protest

    … The Sound of Silence
    “You can get away with anything when you smother it in blather about “enhancing” public safety and “advising appropriately”.
    … But the fact remains that, a few days after the hideous opportunist Cameron was marching under the #JeSuisCharlie banner in Paris, his coppers were ordering newsagents to cough up the names of anyone who bought the magazine.
    This is Mother England in 2015: You can still read samizdat literature, but your name will be entered in a state database.
    Equally disturbing was a recent English court judgment re the Home Office ban denying Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller entry into the United Kingdom. Their Lordships’ appalling decision essentially extends the, “heckler’s veto” to Her Britannic Majesty’s immigration policy”

    http://www.steynonline.com/6799/the-sound-of-silence

       13 likes

    • noggin says:
      February 11, 2015 at 12:33 am

      ps.
      “Child sex abuse gangs could have assaulted ONE MILLION youngsters in the UK
      That’s according to Rotherham Labour MP Sarah Champion. Who knows if it’s true?
      On the one hand, Britain is so alert to “paedos” that, if some cheesy old Radio One disc-jockey is alleged to have grabbed the passing breast of a 15-year-old teenybopper on “Top Of The Pops” in 1973, he’ll be dragged through the courts and publicly ruined.
      But vast, systemic, industrial-scale 21st-century paedophilia by Muslim grooming gangs aided and abetted by law enforcement and local government will be ignored and hushed up – essentially in the interests of (what was that expression again?) “community cohesion”

         20 likes

    • Richard Pinder says:
      February 11, 2015 at 2:16 am

      I wonder if Cameron has my name down on his list. On page 31 of Private Eye there are Muslim Cartoons with: (1) “And what would you like to be when you blow up” (2) “Does my bomb look big in this” (3) “It just seems a long way to come to bomb a load of blokes from south London” (4) How dare these cartoonists stereotype Muslims as violent aggressive and filled with hate towards the West? (5) Behead those who insult Islam (6) Massacre those who insult Islam, etc.

         13 likes

      • jorshaw says:
        February 11, 2015 at 10:12 am

        You should be ashamed; so should Private Eye. Mocking someone’s religion, and the Prophet Mohammed in particular, is disrespectful and just plain wrong.

           3 likes

      • Llareggub says:
        February 11, 2015 at 10:17 am

        I am less worried about the police taking names of Charlie Hebdo purchasers than the publication of the names which will be noted by followers of the ROP. Now what was the name of the copper who requested names of purchasers? Have the police revealed his name? Why not – one of the men was he?

           8 likes

  45. flexdream says:
    February 11, 2015 at 1:32 am

    I’ve now complained to the BBC news website about the non-coverage of the MoToon rally. Has anyone else complained and has anyone had a reply?

       16 likes

    • Dave666 says:
      February 11, 2015 at 6:51 am

      Yes as noted earlier I have and the acknowledgement has been received. I await the template which of course I will copy to here.

         13 likes

  46. Thoughtful says:
    February 11, 2015 at 9:37 am

    Even the BBC seem aghast at the policies being expounded by the SNP which are perhaps more close to Syriza in Greece than Labour.
    The motive for the shock though is unclear as there must be plenty of anti austerity types in the Beeb.
    My money is on the ‘don’t frighten the horses’ camp, that the SNP are so extreme it might scare any floating Labour voters into casting votes elsewhere.
    There could be several other reasons though.

       7 likes

  47. Thatcher Revolutionary says:
    February 11, 2015 at 10:28 am

    This in the Guardian comments section – ‘I would not have been here making the comments I do now this time 12 months ago, and the reason for my change of heart began not with IS but what I saw happening in my kids school, community, domestic politics.

    I have read and learned a fair bit over the past few months and would encourage others to do the same. As far as I’m concerned I was fed a load of bull about the beautiful peaceful nature of this religion and should have checked the facts far sooner than I did.’

    There is at last some hope.

       6 likes

  49. Thoughtful says:
    February 11, 2015 at 11:13 am

    Yet another stupid Jew who believes Hitler was right and the Muslims are peaceful !

    http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-town-hall-debate-flying-8617749

    Mark Krantz who started this petition, Perhaps we should just kick back and wait until the loons amongst them have brought them to extinction ?

       1 likes

  50. Thoughtful says:
    February 11, 2015 at 12:56 pm

    And a Mid Week thread which won’t open !

    Again !

       0 likes

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