John Pienaar was on the side of the Big Battalions this morning asking the Government’s Business Minister, Matthew Hancock, how he could justify a referendum on Europe when so many Big Business leaders were against it.
Curious irony there…now we must listen to Big Business when it suits the BBC’s pro-Eu agenda…however when Labour want to bring the Big Business ‘predators’ to heel it’s a different matter….they’re the tax dodging devils incarnate.
The pandering to Big Business and the sidelining of a democratic vote on Europe aside there is always one major question that doesn’t get asked. So Cameron gets his reforms of the European system and the UK stays within the EU fold should the reforms be enough to persuade the voters to play safe and vote to keep the status quo…but then what?……here is Alan Greenspan in a BBC report on the inevitability of a Grexit…
“The problem is that there there is no way that I can conceive of the euro of continuing, unless and until all of the members of eurozone become politically integrated – actually even just fiscally integrated won’t do it.”
Note that well….the Euro, in his opinion, and many other’s, can only continue if it adopts complete fiscal and political integration.
In other words the EU becomes one country, a federation like the US.
The UK could not still remain attached but distant as now not adopting the Euro and so on. The UK would have to choose…in or out, part of the EU currency, political and taxation regime or not.
The UK would be forced to join the EU and lose its sovereignty completely if it wanted to remain ‘in’ Europe.
The EU can only work as one, integrated union with a central government freely taxing and redistributing those taxes as it sees fit around the EU to countries that are economically stagnant and setting policies to ensure that happens…and that means, more than likely, a permanent drain of resources from the UK and Germany and other successful economies to the laggard nations in the form of welfare subsidies and infrastructure spending…more roads to nowhere and white elephants.
Can the UK stand more money being syphoned off to fund the Grand Project? It already struggles to fund its own welfare…..the South had to suffer the hijacking of its revenues to fund Labour’s Northern heartlands as Brown and Co tried to buy votes up North. Imagine how much more income will vanish into the self-serving EU politicians’ pockets as they try to buy votes in Spain or Greece or Lithuania etc etc etc.
Money that should go on the NHS, or housing or welfare or schools will disappear into the EU blackhole, lost in yet more grand projects, Spanish pensions, non-existent Italian vineyards and vast corruption.
So the question the BBC should be asking Cameron and Miliband is what are they going to do when the EU decides to integrate and form one big political and fiscal union with one government, one taxation system, one legal system and one welfare system?
Join or not?
It’s a question the BBC probably won’t ask and Cameron won’t answer, can’t answer, anyway because it makes a mockery of his EU reforms charade….after all what is the point of these reforms if it is inevitable that the EU forms a totally integrated union of which you can’t be an associate member and the UK becomes subsumed into the EU machine and the UK Parliament becomes totally irrelevant?
Such a question would totally change the narrative on Europe and possibly make it more likely that people would opt to get out of Europe when voting in an EU referendum if they thought staying in now would be the slippery slope to a total takeover of the UK by Brussels.
Can’t see the BBC wanting to make too much noise about that.
Small Business wants Britain out, and its the job of the Government to break up Big business monopolies. Multinationals want to be above the law of the Nation states, so they can destroy competition and not pay taxes to the state, so obviously they would be pro-EU. The solution: UKIP Manifesto No 52. Setting up a Treasury Commission to make sure big corporations pay their way in taxes.
‘Can the UK stand more money being syphoned off to fund the Grand Project? It already struggles to fund its own welfare…..the South had to suffer the hijacking of its revenues to fund Labour’s Northern heartlands as Brown and Co tried to buy votes up North. Imagine how much more income will vanish into the self-serving EU politicians’ pockets as they try to buy votes in Spain or Greece or Lithuania etc etc etc.’
We are also paying to alleviate much of Europe’s unemployment problem whilst maintaining our own, albeit slightly reduced, problem from where it was in 2010. Then there’s the considerable strain on our services and infrastructure which these additional ‘migrants’ bring, the consequences of which have become all too clear.
Would the member states who signed up at the time to freedom of movement have done so, or even mooted the idea if a) they could have envisaged the economic crash and b) they knew the EU would end up with its current 27 members?
We were told at the time we joined the EEC that movement of people between the existing members was minimal and that was the way it was expected to stay.
Rapid mass movement can’t be good for the ‘Grand Project’ as people can move faster than infra-structure can be put in to meet demand and capital tied up in infra-structure where demand drops can’t be recovered. An empty hospital in Poland can’t be moved to the UK, for instance.
When we joined the EEC it was essentially a club of equals and at the time I couldn’t see the point; (they made cars, we made cars, why should there be a market for us?). Now we have added a whole lot of ‘development’ zones and their peoples have realised that rather than wait for their home countries to move up to equivalence with the old ‘club’ members it is easier to move home.
I heard Greenspan. Wearily stating the obvious . Not that the liberal media and elite will understand him. Who in his right mind would lend money to Greece? That simple. Even when reality in the form of economic collapse comes raging into Europe the EU elites will still insist they are right.
Cameron and his brand of Toryism is fully wedded to the EU project so anything he says on the matter should be disregarded. Quite why the BBC attacks him is a perpetual mystery to me.
Leaving the EU is vital if England is to survive and prosper.
Leaving the EU is vital if England is to survive and prosper.
which is precisely why they want us to stay in.
Its vital for Wales, Ireland & Scotland also.
In fact Ex Pat John, its vital for Great Britain.
The EU isn’t the Eurozone. Not entirely sure how you get from one US economist having the view that the Eurozone needs political integration to the BBC needing to chase Cameron and Milliband about asking whether we must join a superduperstate.
Yet the BBC etc. rail against tax avoidance by large companies using favourable rates in other European countries, all brought about due to the EU.