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  1. Thoughtful says:
    July 22, 2015 at 8:07 am

    http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/castlemere-rochdale-islamic-state-course-9700923

    Worth a read especially because of the widespread support for Islamic State in Muslims communities in the UK. The fact they were allowed to run a 5 week course on redressing the view on the Islamic state and no one bothered to inform the authorities speaks volumes.

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  2. Thoughtful says:
    July 22, 2015 at 8:19 am

    The BBC is very upset that subsidies to ‘alternative’ electricity generation is to be cut.
    This is so typical of the mind-set of the metropolitan trendy liberals, who in reality only care about the poor when they are having to pay for something they themselves disagree with.

    One of the notable things of BLiars government was the number of stealth taxes imposed hence the need for tax credits. The average energy bill will be £130 cheaper once the cut is implemented.

    You would have thought that anyone interested in the condition of the poor would support any move which assisted them, but no because the BBC & liberal leftism is not at all interested in the poor!

    So we had Humphries attacking the government minister over subsidies for Nuclear – which actually does manage to generate 24 hours a day, not just when the sun shines or the wind blows! He then accused the Tories of damaging a fledgling industry which could be important in the future.

    I believe that the BBC take the same line with the TV Tax. They know poor people find it a burden, but they simply don’t care.

    The next time you hear a hand wringing bleeding heart liberal carping on about the poor, just remember they aren’t talking about the poor, they’re using it as a disguise and a lever for the real issue that they don’t want to openly discuss.

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    • Old Goat says:
      July 22, 2015 at 8:47 am

      I distinctly heard Justin say the words “propping up green energy”, and I thought how apt, even though he probably didn’t quite mean it in that way.

      Green is permanently “propped up” – it can’t stand on its own two feet. That’s why it should be dumped, and the Climate Change Act repealed. More and more, I hear that the green drive is merely in place to “meet our climate targets”. get rid of the Act, ditch the EU, and the target disappears.

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  3. Lynette says:
    July 22, 2015 at 8:21 am

    Radio 4 has been flogging a complete non story in Headline news this morning (Wednesday) A previously failed Alzheimer’s drug has been triumphed because it MAY slow down the effects of the disease in EARLY diagnosed Alzheimer patients. Wow! In any case is early diagnosis even possible !!! – by the time you have waited for your GP, your memory clinic appointment, and then your MRI scan the disease is no longer in its early stages. Wonder how much they are getting paid to promote this one!!!

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    • Stuart B(eaker) says:
      July 22, 2015 at 9:15 am

      There’s something strange about this story indeed. Firstly, no-one is saying what the extent of the effect is likely to be, and moreover no-one is saying what percentage of the target population is likely to be assisted at all by this treatment.

      Secondly, this drug appears to be a monoclonal antibody (hence the ‘MAB’ in the name). I am unaware of any remotely validated theory about Alzheimer’s which would suggest this type of biological mechanism is central. Please disabuse me, someone. Otherwise, this seems to be pure trawling on the part of the manufacturer – ‘we have a drug, let’s shower all the potentially high-return diseases of any kind whatever, in the hope that it will have some effect on one of them’.

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  4. G.W.F. says:
    July 22, 2015 at 8:26 am

    I listened to Thought for Today yesterday morning and this morning. I don’t usually bother but it struck me why so much attention to Islam? Yesterday a Rabbi pointing out the basic similarities between Muslim and Jewish faith, oh how happily they identify with each other. Today the muslim woman from Edinburgh made me laugh talking about adultery and the hacking of the adultery web site. I listening carfuully for any reference to Muslim treatment of adultery but only heard how wonderful marriage is in that outfit – men and women fitting each other like garments. Wot! Nothing about stoning?

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    • Phil Ford says:
      July 22, 2015 at 8:42 am

      “…the hacking of the adultery web site…”

      Yeah, strange that so much of the msm ran with that story, when this one was almost certainly worthy of much more attention:

      Anonymous targets IS sympathisers on Twitter

      Hacktivist group Anonymous is ramping up efforts to tackle sympathisers of the Islamic State group on Twitter. It has published a list of Twitter accounts it claims are spreading propaganda in support of the group. Some accounts have been flooded with images of Japanese anime characters to try to influence search engine results for phrases connected to IS. Many other accounts have been suspended or shut down as a result of the group’s actions.

      As well as targeting Twitter accounts, the operation also sought to take down Facebook pages, blogs, websites and web proxies used by supposed IS supporters. The publication of the list is the latest in a series of “operations” by Anonymous and others hacktivist organisations against the IS group and its online supporters. The list of more than 750 Twitter accounts that Anonymous has taken action against was published on the Pastebin website. Top of the list were accounts that had more than 10,000 followers, it said, but many others with smaller numbers of readers were also targeted.

      Anonymous finally discovers a way to make itself useful. Took a while, but it got there in the end.

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    • noggin says:
      July 22, 2015 at 8:50 am

      After Mr Camoron s hot air and whistles over extremism, his in 5 years “sands of time” balony speech, typical Tory lies, spin and bullshit.
      That’s the Tory spiv the 10 plus on the crapola scale folks, that ignores the fact, the reality that Islam is the issue, petrodollar funded poison, creating, funding essentially the 5th column funded to all strata of society. oh and the 6th column … its enablers.
      Meanwhile
      “David Camoron to unveil plans for £200m Islamic bond
      The World Islamic Economic Forum will hear prime minister outlining plans for the Sukuk bond … fully compliant with Islamic law
      The prime minister will say that London is already the biggest centre for Islamic finance outside the Islamic world.
      But he will also say: “Today our ambition is to go further still.”

      “Britain should not be afraid of selling off more of its major national infrastructure to foreign owners”,
      “The prime minister totally dismissed concerns about letting overseas governments own big buildings, energy projects and football clubs … as he spoke at an Islamic investment conference in London”.

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    • Thoughtful says:
      July 22, 2015 at 9:16 am

      There was a thread on this with quite a few replies yesterday, worth a read.

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  5. AsISeeIt says:
    July 22, 2015 at 8:52 am

    Accidents will happen

    BBC tv news reaches for their book of days and is keen to tell us it is a now a decade since the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes

    ‘Jean Charles’s family has taken a case to the European Court of Human Rights in an attempt to see someone prosecuted.’

    The BBC on line report has this to add:

    ‘His cousin, Alex Pereira, says Jean Charles convinced him to go to England in search of a better future. ‘

    [Yeah, heard that many times, ‘better future’, ‘better life’ that’s usual BBC phrasing to describe the motivation of either legal or illegal migrants]

    ‘”We didn’t want to live in Britain forever, but only to earn enough money to go back to Brazil and have a decent life.”‘

    [Stop there a moment. This is a new slant on migrant motivations and relative economic benefits accruing to the host nation. I’ll make a mental note for next time some left-leaning research pops up on the BBC. Did the BBC intend for this message to slip out? Frankly I am amazed at how little real testimony from migrants appears in our media. Consider: undocumented illegal immigrant sends home or saves most of his meagre earnings. Undocumented he is unlikely to pay taxes. Aside from cheap labour for his dodgy employer or ‘gangmaster’ where is the benefit to the UK? He falls sick – the NHS prefers to ask no questions. He’s tempted to earn a little more by crime – he has no particular feeling of community with the host nation and he’s already illegal, so why not break the law? Hardly anything of the real economic motivations or circumstances of migrants are ever heard, save for being filtered through jounalistic cliche and bleeding heart commentary. I wonder why this is? Accidents will happen.]

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33562889

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  6. Phil Ford says:
    July 22, 2015 at 8:59 am

    BBC in full damage-limitation mode as ‘shock’ Labour Leadership poll results reveal socialist zealot Jeremy Corbyn appears to be leading the race by a country mile amongst Labour activists.

    Clearly, this will not do. Last night’s Newsnight saw Kirsty Squawk and Allegra Stratton barely able to contain their fear and apoplexy at news of Corbyn’s ‘unexpected’ poll results. Just like the recent General Election results, which saw the BBC’s beloved Labour Party banished to the hinterland for the next five years, they now fear that Labour supporters will do the indecent thing and actually try and elect a true socialist as the new Labour Leader.

    Usefully, they had a centre left Labour drone on hand to explain that members voting for Corbyn ‘needed their heads examined’ and that a vote for comrade Corbyn was ‘suicidal’.

    Newsnight is never funnier, never more entertaining, than when it involves the BBC and Labour morons each falling over themselves to grasp the true realities of a situation – be it the Labour Leadership pantomime, or the total and complete failure of ‘multiculturalism’ in this country, or the rise and rise of Islamic State.

    Comedy gold. Probably the one thing the BBC does better than any of them.

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    • rampage says:
      July 22, 2015 at 9:29 am

      I too witnessed this. Wark and Stratton were so apoplectcic with shock they could barely stop shrieking over each other. The result was very difficult to listen to.

      Newsnight is now unwatchable on any other level than a comedy. The “debate” and reportage on there are the BBC at their most Guardianesque.

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      • Bogart says:
        July 22, 2015 at 3:36 pm

        Anne Perkins in the Guardian (she who looks like Miss Havisham) is doing the same. Don’t vote Corbyn she tells readers then in that patronizing Faux-cialist tone tells them to “think.”

        That in turn gets The Guardian “Prole-ier than thous'” HYS’s going “Oh yes we Will!” and the middle class virtue signalers screaming hysterically “He’s a proper socialist and I for one am voting for him” or silly “Liz Kendall is Tory!”.

        “http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/22/labour-party-members-jeremy-corbyn

        Its great entertainment. Just like a pantomime with a better denouement.

        I paid £3 and will be voting Corbyn. My little contribution to the death of the Multiculturalisers of Britain – the Labour party

        To misquote; I’m just “rubbing the Left’s nose in Socialism”

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      • Bogart says:
        July 22, 2015 at 3:36 pm

        Anne Perkins in the Guardian (she who looks like Miss Havisham) is doing the same. Don’t vote Corbyn she tells readers then in that annoying and patronizing Faux-cialist tone tells them to “think.”

        That in turn gets The Guardian “Prole-ier than thous'” HYS’s going “Oh yes we Will!” and the middle class virtue signalers screaming hysterically “He’s a proper socialist and I for one am voting for him” or screaming the new Labour insult “Liz Kendall is Tory!”.

        “http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/22/labour-party-members-jeremy-corbyn

        Its all rather silly but great entertainment.

        I paid £3 and will be voting Corbyn. My little contribution to the death of the Multiculturalisers of Britain .

        To misquote; I’m just “rubbing the Left’s nose in Socialism”

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  7. AsISeeIt says:
    July 22, 2015 at 9:02 am

    ‘The British Library’s expert on such manuscripts, Dr Muhammad Isa Waley, said this “exciting discovery” would make Muslims “rejoice”.’

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33436021

    ”Oldest’ Koran fragments found in Birmingham University’

    Reading carefully through this report has me questioning the glaring lack of certain details. What is the provenance of this MS? How does it come to be in Birmingham? If I send yesterday’s chip paper for carbon dating and it comes back with the result 5000BC do I rush to the BBC to tell the world? I’m going to stick my neck out and say FAKE!

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    • Anne says:
      July 22, 2015 at 9:20 am

      Oldest Koran – wow! Really makes you think …………. BTW, anybody see the skating chimp on TV last night?

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    • noggin says:
      July 22, 2015 at 9:22 am

      “rejoice”?
      “The person who actually wrote it could well have known the Prophet Muhammad… he would maybe have heard him preach”
      Prof David Thomas, University of Birmingham
      THE prophet? … hope it wasn t his last few erm “revelations” eh!

      Just shows how far objective intellectual standards have fallen

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    • Thoughtful says:
      July 22, 2015 at 9:29 am

      And in that piece is contained an innocuous statement which some believes actually proves Islam to be a false & man made religion.

      “Dr Waley says that under the third caliph, Uthman ibn Affan, copies of the “definitive edition” were distributed.”

      To produce the “definitive edition” Uthman had to destroy all the Qur’ans which were different to the one he decided was ‘definitive’.
      Muslims rely on the fact that there is only one Qur’an, which is the very word of God, however historical evidence proves that there were many.
      One of the oldest copies of the Qur’an is in the Topkapi Museum in Turkey, it is never shown because it is different to the current version of the Qur’an.
      Worse still is the Arabic script of verses around the dome of the Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem which again are different to the current Qur’an.

      Please note that this article avoids saying which verse of the Qur’an it contains, or what it actually says. I believe that there is a reason for that, and that it is again different to todays Qur’an.

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      • noggin says:
        July 22, 2015 at 10:00 am

        Don t forget to add, “abrogation”, where Allah the all knowing godhead, master of all intellect erm
        … couldn t make his mind up, or kept forgetting what he had said before, or conveniently erm “revealed” things that directly and personally only benefitted Mohamhead
        at the time, with the added embarrassment of the need to provide better commands after earlier commands have not worked!.
        The creator and sustainer of the universe, all knowing, master of intellect, seeing future and past not bound by time, fitting in with an illiterate. lying murdering paedophile, with an obvious personality disorder
        i.e.
        If I rushed out, said I talked to god everyday and killed someone because if it … they wouldn t even let me home for my pyjama s, and rightly so.

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        • JimS says:
          July 22, 2015 at 12:36 pm

          Aisha, big Mo’s wife said:
          “I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah’s Messenger and I used to say, “Can a lady give herself (to a man)?” But when Allah revealed: “You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).’ I said (to the Prophet), “I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires.”

          In other words she was smart enough to realise that Mo’s ‘revelations’ conveniently matched his lust for sex with other women; he just made it up to suit the moment.

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    • JimS says:
      July 22, 2015 at 10:03 am

      “These portions must have been in a form that is very close to the form of the Koran read today, supporting the view that the text has undergone little or no alteration and that it can be dated to a point very close to the time it was believed to be revealed.”

      Must? Either they are the same or they aren’t, just because Islamic doctrine says the Koran is unalterable doesn’t mean it hasn’t been altered. Or maybe the script is so early that the researchers can’t read it? More settled science, (we know what we want to find so we bend the reality to suit).

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      • G.W.F. says:
        July 22, 2015 at 11:17 am

        Oldest copy of the Koran eh. OK Dave, you know what to do. Integrate you buggers or we burn it.

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  8. Doublethinker says:
    July 22, 2015 at 10:34 am

    Just another small example of ingrained BBC leftist PC bias. I now seldom watch BBC documentary programmes because they are so biased to the left’s world view, however, I made an exception and watched the first episode of one about the WI. Surely this was safe form the racist bandwagon I thought. But yet again I was wrong, there is no corner of the planet or human thought that is free from the BBC Witchfinding on racism.
    Some letters were read out written about children who were evacuated in 1940 from cities to the country and billeted with WI members. The WI members commented that the children were dirty, verminous, carriers of disease and a bad influence on local kids. The presenter of the programme, Ms Worsley , commented that the language used was exactly similar to that used today by far right racist loonies to describe immigrants ! Why would you wish to draw such a parallel on a programme about the WI? It can only be because the presenter, producer and researchers believe that this is what the audience should hear ie that any opportunity, no matter how contrived, must be taken to ram home that anti racist message in an attempt to brain wash the British people into believing that unless they lie down and accept immigrants with no reservations, no matter how unpleasant and alien those immigrants are, they are RACISTS.

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    • Richard Pinder says:
      July 22, 2015 at 2:48 pm

      I understand that the lefties at the time blamed it on poverty. Now they blame obesity on poverty, but not those who point out the existence of obesity as racists, unless the fat person is black.

      But I don’t think Ms Worsley does or would ever agree to give accommodation to an immigrant, especially to any of those dirty, verminous asylum seekers that get into England on the back of a lorry. Because I would put my money on her, like all lefties, being exposed as a hypocrites, when put under analysis.

      Even when you find out that these BBC lefties live in a nice leafy Tory area, they then say that they are not like the locals, who are racist nimby’s. The BBC lefty then says they would love thousands of houses to be built, and for the immigrants to come and live in the village. Presumably because the BBC leftie is then planning to move home to some even more nicer UKIP area.

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  9. UK Enrichment News says:
    July 22, 2015 at 10:54 am

    The BBC’s fawning glee is almost palpable….

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33436021

    Funny how this story emerges after so much negative Islamic news has been dominating lately.

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    • Ian Rushlow says:
      July 22, 2015 at 11:28 am

      Regardless of what one thinks of the religion or some of its followers, this is an important historical find if genuine. For better or worst – and unfortunately the latter is often in evidence – this is a document that motivates a sizeable proportion of the human race. But as UK Enrichment News correctly points out, the BBC’s treatment is way over the top. The article is riddled with words such as ‘could’, ‘might’ and ‘may’. The antiquity of the document does not in any sense prove its validity. Note the use of the absurd phrase: “The opening words were revealed by the angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad in 610”, as though this was proven fact. It would be more correct to say “Muslims believe that the opening words were revealed by the Angel Gabriel to their Prophet Muhammad in 610 AD“.

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      • Phil Ford says:
        July 22, 2015 at 11:38 am

        “…Note the use of the absurd phrase: “The opening words were revealed by the angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad in 610″, as though this was proven fact.”

        NB: Islam gets a free pass. ©BBC

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        • Cockney says:
          July 22, 2015 at 11:59 am

          Now says “Muslims believe” on the website.
          This seems like a pretty clear opportunity to do some secular, historical research into the origins of Islam and its theology. A similar approach to Christianity pushed along the Enlightenment, opened up religious dogmatism to modern views and ushered in a new era of progress in Christian Europe. Can’t wait!

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          • noggin says:
            July 22, 2015 at 2:04 pm

            BBC – Discover how the Koran became part of British life
            …. I ll just finish that for you
            ,continually aided by the BBC
            ,for all the wrong reasons
            ,whether you infidels like it or not
            ,to the continuing detriment of our society
            , now kneel and pray Lord Hall
            etc, etc

            I’m sure people from all over the UK will come to Birmingham to have a glimpse of these pages,”

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      • Leha says:
        July 22, 2015 at 12:30 pm

        Couldn’t get past the first couple of sentences of this on the news

        /click

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    • Doublethinker says:
      July 22, 2015 at 3:15 pm

      No matter how old it is I bet it still says stuff like chop off the heads of non believers and other assorted ‘bad’ influences. I imagine that quite a number of folks across the globe did that sort of thing in 600AD eg vikings. But modern Scandinavians don’t go in for that sort of things nowadays , unless of course they are followers of the RoP. Islam seems to have developed very little in the past 1400 years, but that is what you get when you let the clerics run the show, whether they be modern day Imams or medieval Christian priests.

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  10. noggin says:
    July 22, 2015 at 11:32 am

    BBC News, and R5 Live reports from a former
    “captive of the right hand” Quran, yep! its in there.
    (The Qur’an actually devotes more verses to making sure that Muslim men know they can keep women as sex slaves (4) than it does to telling them to pray five times a day)
    This former sex slave, who had managed to escape Syria and Islamic State.
    Consistently raped and abused, her captor and his wife, who were from Britain,(she knew this as they spoke in English, and she, the wife was in contact with her family at home on the net).
    Which “family”? anyone going to ask?.

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    • Ian Rushlow says:
      July 22, 2015 at 12:05 pm

      The Qur’an does not mention praying 5 times a day at all – it actually says 3 times a day. There is the Dawn prayer (Fajr), the Night prayer (Isha) and the Mid-day prayer (Wusta). The practice of praying 5 times a day is a later tradition, possibly inherited from non-Islamic custom in Persia. Five prayers may be near universal practice for Muslims, but two of them are not named in the Qur’an itself, only in the Hadith (later commentaries and interpretations). BBC religious editors please take note.

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      • Essex Man says:
        July 22, 2015 at 12:28 pm

        The BBC getting very excited about , 4 Chelsea supporters being banned for allegedly pushing a Non Hideously White person in the Paris Metro . If it was the other way round , all the footage would of been `faked, by a third party` ,no doubt .

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      • Charlatans says:
        July 22, 2015 at 1:32 pm

        Ian.

        You say: “BBC religious editors please take note.”

        Although you could probably not make this up, are you aware the Head of BBC Religious Affairs and Programmes of our 2 millenium Christian Heritage National Broadcaster, is a Muslim?

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/corporate2/insidethebbc/managementstructure/biographies/ahmed_aaqil1.html

        Could you imagine Churchill, Thatcher or John Major getting wind of the BBC attempting to make such a public servant appointment?

        It could only happen under Labour and that quisling Archbishop of Canterbury who wanted to introduce Sharia Law into UK:

        http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7232661.stm.

        It is like the Vatican appointing Jimmy Saville as their Child abuse advisor

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  11. Anders Thomasson says:
    July 22, 2015 at 12:25 pm

    Not BBC bias but in view of the comments above.

    Dateline: London

    Woman tries to hand me a magazine bearing the legend “Is Satan real?”

    Me: “Did it ever occur to you that maybe Satan invented religion?”

    Woman suddenly becomes very interested in her shoes.

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  12. UK Enrichment News says:
    July 22, 2015 at 12:31 pm

    The BBC show no value-judgement restraint when white English football fans are accused of racism:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-33622106

    The BBC seem to deem this idiocy more seriously than Islamic extremism and terrorism.

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    • Phil Ford says:
      July 22, 2015 at 12:49 pm

      “…The BBC seem to deem this idiocy more seriously than Islamic extremism and terrorism.”

      Naturally. The BBC, along with their comrades in the liberal left press, cling on to some completely bankrupted notion of a ‘far Right’ in this country. Seems these days just being in possession of a St George’s Cross is enough to place you next to Himmler in terms of your inherent Nazism.

      Oddly, when an ‘Asian’ man wraps himself in the flag of a proven group of far Right fascists, murderers, criminals, thugs, rapists and kidnappers known as Islamic State and parades about in broad daylight in front of Parliament even the coppers struggle to bat an eyelid.

      Funny old world, ain’t it?

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      • JimS says:
        July 22, 2015 at 3:51 pm

        To paraphrase Nigel Farrage:

        ‘Then there is that mad woman up north, Nationalist and Socialist – whoops I can’t believe I said that!’

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  13. Alex says:
    July 22, 2015 at 12:56 pm

    Isn’t odd how the BBC now remove the word ‘Islamic’ from any phrase that ends with extremism? From this report, we just get the word extremism; would this be Christian extremism, Buddhist extremism or Wickerman fraternity extremism?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33486339

    Also, lower down the article, check out the section on the ‘Honeyford controversy’ where the writer deems it necessary to highlight that an article by former headteacher Ray Honeyford was written in the ‘right-leaning’ Salisbury Review. Would the BBC journalist have mentioned poltical ‘leanings’ if Honeyford’s article had been written in a ‘left-leaning’ paper? I doubt it!

    The Left’s stubborn and puerile refusal to link Islam with extremism is a threat to our young people. It is indoctrination.

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  14. dave1east says:
    July 22, 2015 at 12:59 pm

    should india pay reparations for immigration? thought not – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-33618621

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    • Dover Sentry says:
      July 22, 2015 at 1:18 pm

      A typical student piece of left wing journalism by the BBC!
      Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
      No ‘alternative’ view proposed, of course.

      An interesting point which wasn’t mentioned. 10% of Indian soldiers fought on the Japanese side during WW2. India treats them as heroes today, and they receive a higher pension than those who fought on the allied side.

      ..

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      • Ian Rushlow says:
        July 22, 2015 at 2:09 pm

        At the time of independence India was the 8th most industrialised nation in the World. Whilst India’s share of World trade may have shrunk during the course of the British presence, overall World trade grew more than tenfold during that period. The trade was so one-sided (in India’s favour) that this country almost ran out of the silver needed to pay for it during the 18th Century. The massive levels of British investment in India during the 19th Century starved this country of investment after the industrial revolution and allowed our competitors – notably Germany and the USA – to catch up and eventually surpass us.

        Other than in the final few years of WW2 when Allied soldiers were stationed there, the entire European presence in India never exceeded 150,000. Think about that: more Indians live in West London than Britons lived in the entire sub-continent. Alternatively, there was only 1 Brit to every 2,000 Indians.

        The fact of the matter is that the Indian Empire was a joint venture between the two countries, one in which Britain had the upper hand but the Indians were enthusiastic collaborators. That’s the historical reality and there is no need for shame or guilt.

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        • Doublethinker says:
          July 22, 2015 at 3:22 pm

          I don’t believe in the concept of historic guilt. I don’t think modern Germans are guilty of the crimes of their Nazi forefathers. Nor are modern Brits in anyway guilty for things done several generations ago. The whole concept has been dreamt up by leftist idiots to pursue their attempt to smear British culture and make Brits feel bad about themselves.

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          • Thoughtful says:
            July 22, 2015 at 4:44 pm

            Not to smear but to destroy! It’s far worse than making people feel bad, it’s about making white people as low in status as they possibly can.

            BBC radio 4 ran a play about a left wing fantasy where a poor white man was reduced to being the house servant to a family of Pakistanis.

            This is the vision they have for us – but not for themselves of course!

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            • Bogart says:
              July 22, 2015 at 7:14 pm

              “BBC radio 4 ran a play about a left wing fantasy where a poor white man was reduced to being the house servant to a family of Pakistanis.”

              I hope he didn’t introduce them to his daughter.

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  15. David Brims says:
    July 26, 2015 at 7:58 pm

    Testing

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