494 Responses to MID WEEK OPEN THREAD…..

  1. G says:

    Statement from the hero, Geert Wilders –
    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9530/geert-wilders-conviction

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  2. Thoughtful says:

    http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/establishment-how-get-away-with-kindle-edition-0-99-amazon-2570679

    Owen Jones bargain basement tripe remaindered by Amazon !

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  3. Thoughtful says:

    The BBC (Broadcast arm of the Labour Party) has made no mention of the important speech by Andy Burnham, future Mayor of Manchester.

    Following on from that unreported speech a huge split is rapidly developing in the Labour party as it appears it might be plunging into civil war.

    You might be forgiving of the fact of these latest developments save for the fact that they have been widely reported even in the openly Labour supporting Daily Mirror !

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/labours-immigration-civil-war-escalates-9418535

    “Her call for restrictions follows outspoken interventions by a host of senior Labour MPs, including Shadow Cabinet Member John Healey , and prominent backbenchers Andy Burnham, Frank Field and Dan Jarvis.”

    And the Independant:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labours-immigration-policy-will-drive-voters-to-ukip-says-partys-welsh-leader-a7464921.html

    Nor any report that Labour Grandee Frederick Forsyth has also come out against Corbyn:

    http://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/frederick-forsyth/741620/Do-not-compromise-border-controls-Frederick-Forsyth

    Parties engaging in internal conflict are in a position where it is impossible to win an election.
    This is at the moment a fast moving event which has the potential to gather much momentum (pardon the pun) and the BBC don’t seem to want to report about it.

    Watch this space for further updates.

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    • Stella2 says:

      Hi Thoughtful. BBC tying itself in knots instead of reporting the news. Though I wouldn’t say Frederick Forsyth is a Labour Grandee – pretty sure he’s a Eurosceptic Conservative. He’s also very sound on the subject of BBC bias.

      There’s a fascinating section in his autobiography The Outsider in which he recounts working for the BBC in the sixties as a correspondent in Biafra. All his instructions – mostly erroneous and self-serving – came from the British FO. No one wanted his accurate insights, and he was forced to resign. He had previously been a Reuters man, and set store by facts. Eventually he went back as a freelance and got the whole complicated Biafra story out. Well worth a read, and shows how long the propaganda has been churning.

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      • Grant says:

        Stella2,

        “The Biafra Story” by Frederick Forsyth is an eyeopener. How the BBC and Wilson and the Labour Government and the FCO colluded to support the Genocide in Nigeria against the Igbo Biafrans is one of the most disgraceful episodes of British history. Wilson even supplied the weapons and money for Biafrans to be slaughtered and that evil bastard knew what was happening.

        The BBC, at the time , reported it as a ” humanitarian crisis”. Freddie Forsyth exposed the hypocrisy. The Labour Party, the FCO and the BBC have never apologised for their support for the Genocide of the Biafrans.

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        • Stella2 says:

          Grant, it was indeed an eye-opener. For a world-class news service, the BBC doesn’t seem to want or to understand complex situations, only their given “narrative”. Another creative writing term.

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          • Grant says:

            Stella2,

            Yes, but sometimes the BBC’s stance is inexplicable . True , they like to see the world in black and white and avoid taxing their tiny brains with complexities.

            Biafra was a case in point. Here were the Igbo people, generally hard-working, honest, well-educated , making a bid to have their own country and escape from the lazy , corrupt, majority rulers in Nigeria. Normally, the BBC support “Freedom Fighters “.

            So why not ? Because the Igbo are mainly christian and the Nigerian Government mainly muslim ? Surely not ?

            Even then, back in the late 60s, the BBC had an agenda. As you say, they have their “narrative”. BBC, an evil organisation.

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      • Thoughtful says:

        Ooops that’s me getting authors mixed up. This time I was thinking of Ken Follet!

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  4. Foscari says:

    As the dominoes fall one by one the BBC are doing their best to scupper the next one to drop.
    Panic is beginning to set in at the BBC as it appears that the “Populist” Geert Wilders the
    leader of the Party of Freedom in Holland could be the next Prime Minister in Holland.
    The BBC hate Wilders because they say he is anti immigration and anti muslim. Worse of all the BBC abhors the fact that Wilders does not want Holland to become part of a greater European Caliphate. And even worse that he supports Israel’s right to excist!!
    The reason the man in the street does not want to tell BBC journalists that they support the
    Party of Freedom is that they dont want to be murdered in the street . As the case was with Theo van Gogh.The election in Holland is probably the last chance the Dutch have of keeping their democracy and not having an Islamic Theocracy in at the most three generations.
    The BBC can,t wait to begin their morning programmes with the Adhan. But I am sorry BEEB
    even with all your well meaning “diversity” positive discrimanation and the like there are still a few of us that care about our democracy and Christian traditions !!

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  5. StewGreen says:

    The Fib Dumbs = Lib Dems

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  6. StewGreen says:

    Re the campaign to win bigger SUBSIDIES for electric car mates and kill diesel competition by Sadiq Khan etc.
    Relatively clean London is nothing compared to Paris
    Yes it’s Paris which has smog so bad its day 4 of special restrictions.
    Particulate PM10s have been above 80 for 10 days yet 20 is the safe limit.
    There’ been no winds.
    I’m betting it’s wood and coal fires etc.

    BTW The EU commission started action to fine 6 countries including UK and Germany ..for not fining VW.

    * The respiratory expert warned the other day that we should not get distracted away from the BIGGER PROBLEM which is smoking *
    but there are no subsidies in acting on that.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Stew: “* The respiratory expert warned the other day that we should not get distracted away from the BIGGER PROBLEM which is smoking *”

      How does the Muslim supporting BBC deal with the fact that at the anti-pollution and anti-smoking BBC there were lots of photos of smoking Muslims at the Calais camp? Not only that, when they were feeling a bit unhappy or cold or unhappy and cold they had a habit of setting fire to things, including their accommodation.

      No subsidies in dealing with smoking? The NHS is paying out thousands all the time, often to Anti-smoking Coaches or Therapists and their Clinics, in order to deprive itself of an annual income from an average smoker, if I’ve remembered the numbers correctly, of approximately £1300 per annum.

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    • gaxvil says:

      It’s the stuff all around us that’s the real danger – it’s called …………………….Bullshit.

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  7. Guest Who says:

    A shame. The BBC seemed to copy this, a week later.

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  8. StewGreen says:

    More about green subsidy money being burnt away.
    The More ‘Green Fuel’ You Burn – The More You Earn
    “The biggest ever waste of Northern Ireland Tax money”
    This weeks doco from BBC Northern Ireland
    ..See you can get truth and quality away from the Islington bubbleworld.

    BTW Yorkshire Post reports a Dale Vince ant-fracking trick. At known frack sites he’s applying for planning permission for GRASS GAS Mills claiming UK could get all the gas it needs from them. He’s got a pet unicorn as well.
    His argument is full of holes and and BS
    …half of greens understand the problems of green fuel, for a start it’s not really ecological.

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  9. StewGreen says:

    Just on : More or Less
    How wrong were the Brexit forecasts

    I’ve not listened yet.

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  10. Grant says:

    BBC at least reporting the election in Ghana. Looks like Mahama has lost and Dankwa is there. Another surprise victory for democracy. Little Gambia showed the way and I hope others will follow. We need a civilised Africa to be part of the world.

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    • Up2snuff says:

      Hear, hear, Grant. Sounds like the new President gets your stamp of approval. Am pleased for you and the country if this leader is a success.

      I have some Ghanaian friends and news of the turnaround of that country, still a work in progress, is always good to hear. If more of those countries on the west coast of Africa can be freed from corruption, revolution and war and made into successes, then others may want to join in. The prospect of an arc of prosperity there is possible and would be a great achievement.

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  11. Up2snuff says:

    Oh dear, more Gullibles Travels at the BBC. This time at an altitude of 11,000 feet and no questions asked.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38264696

    Some things in this report from the UK Airprox Board should have raised questions in the minds of a BBC Editor, if not the journalist who had the report land on his or her desktop.

    What speed was the passenger craft flying at?
    Were the rotors on the drone under power?
    Was the drone obviously being operated, moving in such a way that it was clearly under ground control and was not wind blown debris?
    At what angle did the drone approach? Was it from near head on?
    At that closing speed are you sure it was correctly identified?

    A little bit of (journalistic) research supplied me with the information that most drones that are football sized have a limited control range, sometimes as little as 300 metres, a specified flight duration of approximately 25 minutes (depending on battery condition, charge & temperature it may be less) and a rate of climb around 120 – 240 metres per minute, depending on load.

    The Airbus A320 was at an altitude of 3,300 metres.

    As they say in the USA – “Do the math.”

    I am not saying it was not a small drone at that height. It could effectively been a powerless, control-less drone as a piece of wind blown detritus. What I am saying is that in an age of false news, this another example of a highly paid Editor at the BBC allowing a piece to go on the web-site that implies the drone was under control and flown, if not deliberately at the aeroplane, at least under control and flown in proximity to the passenger jet by the operator from the ground. Something that a football sized drone would not appear to be capable of doing.

    Even the large, expensive ones with a range of 2km would be extremely unlikely to be under ground operator control at a height of 3,300 metres. I cannot imagine that someone who has spent £6000+ on a drone, plus perhaps another £1500 on a camera and lens, would want to lose control of it.

    The BBC is – again – guilty of publishing FakeNews, this time by implication.

    How can their other output be trusted?

    If they fall down here on something so simple, so easily checked, can another piece of news in any situation be trusted?

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    • Grant says:

      Up2,

      The BBC do not do science. They should stick to bake-off and strictly.

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      • Up2snuff says:

        LOL! Think, Grant, that here they baked too soon after bake-off and control surfaces were strictly dancing around from a lack of air-flow. A loss of editorial control led to the crash.

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        • Grant says:

          Up2,

          Too much surface tension. But , enough about you, let’s talk about the BBC

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          • Up2snuff says:

            Double LOL, no – make that a triple!

            Hang on a mo, bit hanging out, I’ll give it a tug. There! That’s better. Eased the surface tension in my brain, amazing what you can get out of one ear.

            Eewwww!

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      • G.W.F. says:

        Grant
        But the BBC know a lot about a flying Pedo who journeyed to heaven on a winged horse. Funny they never question their experts on that piece of biological fantasy

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    • gaxvil says:

      Hillary is warning that fake news could cost lives!

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      • Grant says:

        gax,

        Hillary who ?

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        • gaxvil says:

          Hillary Frinton or Clingon I think.
          Anyway, you’re missing the point and FAKE NEWS WILL KILL US ALL ……………

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          • Grant says:

            gax,

            I have never been to Frinton ! Maybe, Hill and Slick Willie will retire there ?

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            • Demon says:

              It would be appropriate, after all the old sign said

              “Harwich for the continent, Frinton for the incontinent”.

              I think she bust her colostomy bag when being dragged into that van, and Willie sounds so infirm as if he can’t stop soiling himself.

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    • Steve Jones says:

      The BBC no longer employs anyone with the relevant knowledge, qualifications or experience to be able to filter out bullshit news items. This is what you get when a news organisation employs largely arts educated media studies know-alls. The BBC’s environment guru, Climate Change Scare-Monger in Chief Roger Harrabin, is an Eng Lit graduate. Remember Raymond Baxter? I rest my case.

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      • taffman says:

        I would hazard a guess that Al Beeb employs lots of Liberal uni kids with “ologies”

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    • StewGreen says:

      Em the official report PDF file 3 pages gives the altitude as FL115 that’s code for 11,500ft

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      • StewGreen says:

        ” Recorded NK THE A320 PILOT reports being in the Biggin Hold pattern when, on the outbound leg of the hold, and descending from FL120 to FL110, the First Officer (FO) saw a small object in the 1 o`clock position at the same altitude. The object passed very quickly with a lateral distance of about 20-40m. As it passed next to the right wing the FO positively identified it as a drone, about the size of a football with a flashing magenta light. This all occurred within seconds and the only thing the FO could do was shout “Look!”. The Captain also saw the drone for a short moment, but there was insufficient time to react or to avoid a potential collision. ATC was informed immediately. About 2min later another aircraft reported the sighting of a drone. On landing, the crew were requested to give a statement to local police. He assessed the risk of collision as ‘High’. THE DRONE OPERATOR: The drone operator could not be traced. “

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  12. gaxvil says:

    I am wondering though, over the years how much has the BBC changed and how much have I changed?
    True, it maybe a bit of both but I swear the lack of professionalism and high levels of, what can only be described as, fanaticism was not present in days gone by.

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  13. taffman says:

    Looks like the Remoaners are taking a hammering again on HYS – ‘Highest Rated’……….
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38259823

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    • quisquose says:

      From the article:

      In a letter published in the Guardian, they argue

      Says it all really. They could rely on the BBC to help with their arguments.

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  14. gaxvil says:

    Just what are those employed as satirists going to do now?
    Only so much material in ripping, Trump, Farage and people who don’t just love, immigrants, Islam and LGBTs.

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    • Grant says:

      gax,

      No chance of them taking the P out of themselves, is there ? The first principle of comedy is to make fun of yourself. But the BBC ” satirists” just don’t get that.

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  15. Dover Sentry says:

    I’m still patiently waiting for a positive Brexit feature from the BBC.

    It’s only been SIX months since the referendum…

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  16. Grant says:

    BBC Website . “The people hunting for paedophiles ” . “The BBC’s Duncan Kennedy investigates “. ” Are paedophile hunters hindering police “. My question is ” are they targetting the BBC ? “. If not why not, given the BBC’s history of sheltering paedos ? The BBC seem to have a “thing” about sex with children, unless it is muslims doing it, of course .

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    • gaxvil says:

      BBC Christmas competition prizes:-
      1) An unreliable Pole I mean Poll of your choice
      2) A Cliff Richard CD
      3) A Jim’ll Fix it Annual (with the pages torn out.)

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      • Grant says:

        gax,

        I have to confess that I sometimes watch ” Top of the Pops ” on BBC 4 friday evening. Ok,the Bay City Rollers are not on every week, but life is not perfect. There was a limit to how many great hits they could produce. But , to my surprise, Jimmy Savile has airbrushed totally. I wonder why ?

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  17. Nasty barsteward says:

    Similar to the unelected Judges trying to derail brexit, it seems that Trump may also have an undemocratic barrier to breach.
    https://youtu.be/7oOhwHG2Gb4

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    • Grant says:

      I know who Tucker is . But who is the wanker who does not understand the US Constitution ? There could not be a clearer document. What the hell does this asshole not understand about freedom and democracy. Oh, honest Abe , where are you now ? Gen. US Grant, where are you now ?

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  18. nogginator says:

    Pat Condell – Shameful verdict. If the Dutch people don’t elect the PVV in March with a working majority, their country is finished.

    … and I couldn t agree more

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    • taffman says:

      It look as if Mr Wilders may have something to help him get heard a little bit more ?
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38267047

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    • Thoughtful says:

      For it is not you, gentlemen, who pass judgment on us. That judgment is spoken by the eternal court of history…Pronounce us guilty a thousand times over: the goddess of the eternal court of history will smile and tear to pieces the State Prosecutor’s submissions and the court’s verdict; for she acquits us.”

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  19. Up2snuff says:

    Missed first five minutes of Any Questions tonight (BBC R4 8pm) but found in the rest of the programme that Jonathan Dimbleby had suddenly developed a bit of strictness and kept hauling a waffling MP or two back on track.

    Audience was, as is often the case, blatantly over stacked, over miked and over-Lefty but I no longer find that annoying. On reflection, I think it is quite useful for reasons which I’m not about to share in public.

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  20. Roland Deschain says:

    Having the misfortune of having the Graham Norton show inflicted on me. Grayson Perry, Sandi Toksvig, Carrie Fisher & Nadiya Hussain. It’s unadulterated crap. Even my teenage daughter, who is inflicting it upon me, is looking on aghast.

    If a sofa of men were on the show going on about women the way they’re going on about men, the BBC wouldn’t stop criticising it until all involved were hung, drawn and quartered.

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    • BRISSLES says:

      You mean there was a Muslim sitting on the sofa next to a a a a cross dresser, a lesbian, and a gay host ? WHAT would her Iman say ?

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      • Demon says:

        She would say about the lesbian “Imam, she’s making eyes at me”.

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      • StewGreen says:

        He would say “See this is the way of the kefirs : this weirdness where faithful heterosexual relationships are not the norm
        … So we must bide our time and then rule over them with caliphate and SHARIA”

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    • StewGreen says:

      Regulation #BbcSneer at Trump/UKIP occurred 2 mins into the show
      “Oh look this sculpture of golden buttocks didn’t win the Turner prize
      … Oh have we had golden arses on the show before ?”
      Cues up that golden elevator photo of Trump & Farage”
      Cue clapping like seals

      … That is classroom bully stuff.
      With people muttering ‘f*ck you Norton and the BBC’

      ..When mad greens waste my time I get it back by not bothering to do recycling for a while, cos they think it matters much more than it actually does. It really pisses them off.

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    • Alicia Sinclair says:

      What a crop of woman-hating tosspots there Roland.
      Funny that so many gays, drag acts and transexuals really hate ue, despite their pretences.
      Always felt a Dawson or La Rue actually liked us-whereas O`Grady and his like really DON`T like women at all.
      And the BBC are the same-the Guardian too, if we`re talking about their views of real women who marry men, have children and build their lives around family and heir communities.

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  21. Sluff says:

    Have I Got News for You.
    Cheers for all Remoan viewpoints. Hisses and boos for Brexit viewpoints.
    But Jacob Rees Mogg took them all on with wit and deadpan charm and they really could not faze him, even when ridiculously trying to get him to wear a blonde wig.

    Meanwhile the Graham Norton (gay) show features Sandi Toksvig (lesbian) and.Grayson Perry (crossdresser).
    And if that’s not enough, the trailers after Newshite feature again Far Left Dianne Abbott and the dodgy Israeli football team before moving on to programmes with Miriam Margolyes and Bruno Tonioni ( both gay)

    So all right-on LeftMob Guardianista narratives are covered across the programmes. The insatiable brainwashing just never ends.

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    • Sluff says:

      It gets worse. Nadiya was also on the Norton show.
      Anglo Saxon straight right-of-centre men just need not apply for any roles at the bBBC

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  22. StewGreen says:

    @Grant BREAKING NEWS
    Gambian President Yahya Jammeh rejects the result of the election which he lost earlier this month

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    • Grant says:

      Stew,

      Jammeh is totally insane. He is sitting up there in Kanalai. The Army and Security Services have rejected him and the Gambian people are just laughing at him now. He is so stupid that he has not left the country. A total lunatic.

      Where is his first wife , Zanaib ? Where is she now ? The whole thing is ridiculous ! Even the “Junglers ” and “Green boys ” have deserted him.

      I hope the BBC will give us an in-depth analysis and explain the knock-on effects on Ghana and other countries in Africa. After all, teenage Beeboids know it all !

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    • Alicia Sinclair says:

      Does Gambia have a Supreme Court, with a Gina Miller to back Jammehs wish for the recount?

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      • Grant says:

        Alicia ,

        LOL !!

        Actually, I have some experience of the High Court in Gambia, purely as a witness, of course. Some of the Judges strive to be independent. I could name Justice Emmanuel Nkea as one. Alas, he got kicked out of the country by Jammeh.

        But,on balance , I am not sure now whether I would get a fairer trial in Gambia or the UK or Holland . That is a sad thing to say.

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  23. StewGreen says:

    Corbynism vs the POPULARISM of Brexit/Trump.

    One is a niche popular movement appealing to peoples basic knee jerk instincts and simplistic magic solutions eg that we can spend masses of money now and it won’t have future consequences
    … And that if we simply nationalise the trains , then everything will be great like in the days of British Rail.
    .. And is such fantasy land it won’t get voted into government.

    Whereas Trump/Brexit in and will be getting on with real policies not just fantasy ones.

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  24. Alicia Sinclair says:

    Don`t know how many sharks Eddie Mairs evening offerings can jump, but they jumped a few tonight.
    Heard Mair ask some 25 year old woman about her early menopause-her dreadful unsympathetic GP. This was after he gave an equally long section of his show to some painter and decorator with the shakes. Thankfully now due to neuroscientific advances and NHS money, the lad can carry a tray of Guinness now.
    Later on there were local fussings over autistic kids not getting enough school money and teenage kids at risk of self harm due to lack of teenage fundings and insufficient stuff about them on the news.
    I think they speak of little else,endless stoking and hoping that some kid will die on Facebook before Jeremy Hunt gets to the BBC studio Desperate tosh. But we`re paying.

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