When the polls close at 1opm, the BBC coverage kicks in and I am sure you will want to comment on it here! I predict an emotional breakdown as I don’t believe a word that the ‘Polls’ are suggesting! The floor is yours….
ELECTION NIGHT THREAD…..
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What we are lacking in this country is strong leadership. We need some Donald Trumps.
Blooming heck Lucy, I’m just about to start my supper!
That’s nothing – I carry mine round in a wheelbarrow.
My heart is really beating over the outcome of this election. A hung Parliament and the chance of a far-left anti-Semite becoming Prime Minister is far too horrifying for words. It’ll be like Hitler’s revenge. Let’s hope the exit polls have gotten it as badly wrong as last time.
If that anti-Semitic terrorist lover and his Stalinist cronies really was forming the government the Country would be finished I agree.
Looking like Amber Rudd might lose her seat and Jane Ellison too. That’s two Tories ministers !
I believe the people of Greece are still enjoying the fruits of Socialism aren’t they ?
Mrs May’s Epic Fail. She is gone. Even if she wins with a slim majority, her abysmal failure to nail down Corbyn and his comedy minions has destroyed her. A total failure as Home Secretary and an utter disaster as PM.
Of course we’ve been warning the Tories for years from these pages that Al Beeb and the rest of the broadcast media mafia would ultimately bring this country to its knees, but they have ignored the obvious bias and now they are screwed- and so are we.
Step forward a Tory with leadership qualities- er, um, er…
I had a bit of a scheming job earlier in the week ( about the downfall of al beeb ). Labour wins the election . Corbyn is PM. They suddenly realise the money tree doesn’t work . High taxes. Recession unemployment. Inflation . A screwed up brexit . 2 years of pain followed by a proper right wing government which brings us back to reality . But a lot of suffering before hand.
Still see a working majority for May.
Gunner, wouldn’t disagree with TM’s epic fail as PM & GE Election leader. However, May’s record in charge of a known dysfunctional Department was outstanding. IIRC, longest serving & most successful Home Secretary for many years.
They failed to deal with the BBC and didn’t wait until they got their boundary changes through, neither of which they will be able to do now. I agree that May is toast. The decision will be taken out of her hands if necessary. One crumb of comfort is that Corbyn has probably peaked and may never do this well again.
5 results in and already the BBC know what the result is – where do they get these predictions for the result from ? I’ve voted in more GE’s than I care to remember, and yet not once have I been accosted coming out of the Polling Station by an exit pollster asking how I’ve voted. So where do they hang out ?
Apparently its going to be a hung parliament, so might as well go to bed.
Don’t panic [yet] Captain Mainwaring…
This is Labour heartland stuff, small, post-industrial, inner city – and their results always come out early.
Washington & Sunderland West:
The Conservatives were looking at a 5 point increase but the vote is up by 10 points. The Labour vote was expected to rise by 14 points according to the exit poll but is actually only 6 points higher.
Sunderland Central:
Although Labour has held the seat, according to the exit poll there should be a 6 point increase in the Conservative vote here, while Labour’s vote is expected to be up by 12 points. In practice, the Conservative vote is up by 10 points and the Labour vote by 5.
Newcastle East:
Labour has bettered the exit poll in Newcastle East. It had forecast a 4 point decrease in the Conservative vote, while Labour’s was expected to be up by 12 points. In practice, the Conservative vote is up by 4 points and the Labour vote by 18.
OK, this one is worded oddly, because -4 to +12 is an 18 point difference (the exit poll) whereas the actual result is +4 to +18, which is a 14 point difference, so the headline shouldn’t say “bettered” because it hasn’t.
Friends, it’s going to be a rough night, but it’s way, way too early to call it yet.
I think the Tories chance of getting a majority will depend on just how well they have done in Scotland. On a brighter note it looks like Nick Clegg might well be getting a kicking!
Can’t understand why more than half the Ukippers have voted Labour!
They were never Tory in the first place, they just liked Nigel Farage…Now they’ve been sold a pup in that Corbyn wants out of the E.U. as well.
Bookies were giving odds of 1/2 for ‘no overall majority’ when I last looked ? Its going to be a ‘long night’…………….
I got odds of 8/1 on no overall majority at Betfair on 3rd May and placed a £25 bet. Not that that’s what I want, but something to ease the pain if that is the outcome. I should have bet a couple of thousand because that’s what I’ll need to offset the loses in extra taxation if Labour get their foot in the door.
Personally I blame the Russians for interfering…….
Al beeb used to allow winning candidates of any hue to be broadcast but they seem to have a value judgement on this one whether left or right .
Swap Russians for Momentum (same thing but 50 years back) and you’d be closer to sad reality. Imagine the joy in the hearts of Mason, Jones, Loach et al.
Balanchine, I was going to report that as well. Apparently after Putin’s success and collusion with Donald Trump, he then managed to do the same with Corbyn . There is as much evidence about the Corbyn/Putin stitch-up of our election as there is regarding the US one. What’s more the Saudis have managed to brainwash millions of students into voting for an anti-Semitic leader. The elections should be made null and void due to all this foreign interference.
Theresa May’s biggest mistake?
Her now famous quote: “When me and my friends used to run through fields of wheat, the farmers were never pleased about that.”
Not exactly a sin, and something completely alien to most Brits. Where I live there are plenty of wheat fields within the suburban patchwork of towns and estates, but when I was a kid I preferred playing on Toton Sidings, sometimes placing pebbles on railway tracks and watching as shunters’ wheels pulverised them. Looking back it was dangerous. It was stupid. But it was genuinely naughty!
I’ve just arrived home and switched on R4 for a brief snippet. I haven’t read any posts so I’m not sure what’s been said. As I switched off there was a brief comment about how labour after a tough few years have done remarkably well. This is what’s prompted me to comment even before I know the facts.
When there is a reward going a doggie will usually do what ever it takes to get the biscuit. Voters without many brain neurons firing will do anything to get freebies and handouts. How can anyone not question the vialibiilty of extra NHS funding, extra Policing, free education, free child care and school meals, open borders and millions more from the religion of peace. If your giving things away of course they’re going to love you and vote for you. It’s not as if the votes have been earned by being brilliant, clever or sensible.
I don’t recall anything mentioned from any party about the costs for future arrivals which is inevitable this summer.
I’m quite over the rotten mess that things are in. Right now for me it’s most important that UK citizens are protected and respected while Islam is rejected, condemned and questioned. Brexit must be completed with strength,courage and a belief that it is in our best interests. The CBB must be investigated and broken up, if not torn apart completely. The entire political correctness stupidly must be addressed. It’s gone beyond reason and although tough decisions by our elected government will be attacked, the vast majority will applaud the correct and common sense actions needed to keep this country strong and future proof it for the generations to come. After the recent 3 Islamic terrorist attacks on UK soil, how could any sane voter trust Labour when it is their policy for borders to remain open. Teresa May has let us down but I believe she has also tried to have people deported. However it’s the CBB and the left socialist labour side of politics who intervene and prevent what needs to be done.
Mood swing,
Best advice – go to bed and sleep. Wake up in the morning and see that t May has just enough to kiss the queens hands. If not we re stuffed
Nigel Farage just announced he will have to come back into politics if we don’t get Brexit.
YES!
Every cloud has a silver lining.
The insufferably smug cunt Anus Robertson has lost his seat in Scotland
Tories fighting back!
Laura Kuensbergs anti Conservative bias glaring.
Pleased to see Sturgeon getting a kicking!
Dimbleby just said “Bloody Hell” live on air!
Clegg is out!!
Haven’t read any posts yet, so these are my bare, part uninformed thoughts after a disturbed and very short night of about three hours sleep from 11pm thanks to some indigestion and a storm. It appears I was right about the electric atmosphere at the Polling Station and it has extended elsewhere.
A bad night for the Conservatives. Some were suggesting here at 10pm or so, that Theresa May had been seeking to subvert Brexit by deliberately calling an Election that the Tories would then lose. It does now look a bit like that.
Deliberately sabotaging her leadership? The job she wanted for so long? Unlikely, I think. More a case of arrogance and over-weening self-belief similar to that which plagued the last three years of her female predecessor as Leader. ‘Maggie’ May needed a Willie to keep her grounded and concentrating thoroughly on essentials but did not have one. Or rather had two, but two that fought between themselves and always kowtowed to their boss without speaking truth to power.
The much reduced majority (perhaps as few as six seats) appears to enhance the power of leading Remain campaigners like Clarke and Soubry within the governing Party. However, the most likely effect of the Labour revival here might be felt across the Channel. Mrs Merkel may be feeling very nervous this morning and Martin Schultz will be in good heart. A pro-Brexit point perhaps?
There may be some other bright pro-Brexit spots: I heard on the 3am News that Nick Clegg has lost his seat. When BBC News do not tell you something it can be very significant: they did not mention other Lib Dem results at all. If the LibDems have crashed and burned that is yet another pro-Brexit glimmer of light. Then there is the shock of the SNP results. I was expecting bad but not that bad.
I debate with some Scots on another Forum and one was maintaining it would be impossible for the SNP to lose more than two or three seats. I thought maybe double figures, in which case Sturgeon’s resignation or sacking was likely. If it is a loss of over twenty, as suggested by the BBC, then Sturgeon cannot possibly remain as SNP leader. Another tick pro-Brexit. There may be a race between Sturgeon and May now to see who is last man standing.
I think May will try to hang on but there will be a price. She may have to sacrifice Timothy and Hill, although I note that Ben Gummer was name-checked by the BBC on Radio 4 as the creator of the disastrous Tory manifesto. A fast bit of blame transference going on there, perhaps?
The Tories need Steve Hilton back in Downing Street. As an advisor or as an MP or both.
Get that man a seat at Westminster!
Very little to quibble about on the BBC’s election night coverage. There rarely is. Knuessberg let her ‘enthusiasms’ come through every so often, but always an absolute joy watching Mr Dimbleby helming this.
As for where the result is heading, an absolute calamity. Corbyn comes over as cuddly, very smooth talking, but since he’s been elected Labour leader he has very rarely been pressed as much as he should have been for supporting totalitarian regimes and terrorists and consorting with genocidal anti-Semitic terrorists and Holocaust deniers. His smooth one-liners to gloss over that have not been met by the relentless deep fact based probing they should have been.
Corbyn is a thoroughly evil man, under him Labour is a fascist party supported by Mosleyite money, and he might be our next Prime Minister. ‘Calamity’ doesn’t cover it.
Good to see you back Hippie but not under such awful circumstances. I agree with everything else you say except I can’t imagine that the BBC’s coverage would be quibble-free and the only time Dimbleby is worth watching is when his left-wing heroes lose.
“Corbyn is a thoroughly evil man, under him Labour is a Fascist party supported by Mosleyite money, and he might be our next Prime Minister. ‘Calamity’ doesn’t cover it.”
It is as Huey Long said “In the future Fascists will call themselves Anti-Fascists”
They don’t even disguise the fact they are totalitarians. That is why they are so exultant that their vote has increased.
I suspect the only real winner last night – would have been George Sorros!
True evil always thrives on chaos.
Oak, you may have a point there. The £ is showing a post-EU Referendum-style fall in overnight trading on the back of the GE results so far.
Thinking back eleven months, I wonder what the BBC will say about that?
What have the following got in common ?
Knorr
OXO
UK
Answer: They are all kinds of Stock.
frankly this is a fuck up, what chance of boundary commision changes now.
that 12million people could vote for corbyn et al makes me shudder
I dont think the 3 terror attacks helped either, the tories as incumbents have (rightly) taken the blame for the deaths
failing to chop the head off the bbc hydra has bitten them in the ass
The only consolation is that the youngsters who are counting on free money for life, will end up with nothing.
Especially when their inheritance is wrecked by Jezzbollah annd chums.
Well, Bojo should be rubbing his hands with some glee this morning. He now has a chance to resurrect his career for the umpteenth time and make another pitch for the Party leadership. Not a cheery thought for some of us.
As an alternative – Ruth Davidson taking over as Conservative UK leader at the Party conference and calling a General Election for October 2017?
Agree on Ruth Davis – she’s worked wonders for Scottish Tories.
Slight problem with that theory. Ruth Davidson is not an MP.
Don’t think that matters, Roland. That would be down to Party rules and Party rules can be changed although I think the Conservatives do allow the Party to be led by someone outside Parliament.
You are right in that it helps if a Party Leader is an MP at Westminster.
Just heard the results, maybe the Conservatives will scratch up a few extra seats and can be able to govern with support from the DUP?
All the votes Corbyn and his friends got from those who voted UKIP in the last GE and for Leave in the referendum, shows us one thing: the last idiot has not been born yet.
It seems there was an uptick in anti-Semitic attacks as Corbyn’s popularity surged. Let’s hope due security measures are being takento protect our Jewish community this morning. While so many people fail to grasp the blindingly obvious that Corbyn is an anti-Semite, anti-Semites don’t.
why? no attempt appears to be being made to protect anyone else apart from the ropers
no insult meant towards anyone of the jewish faith
How to stop Brexit.
1. Grab power
2. Make out you suddenly like it.
3. Drive your election bus over a cliff with a suicide manifesto.
4. Job done.
I fucking knew it. Remember my post weeks ago about Brexit the movie? A Pig in a Poke: A reformed Europe – starring David Cameron and the sequel A Pig in a Poke 2: The Brexit that Never Was – staring Theresa May.
im with you there
Kaiser & seismic, while I’m sort of wearily thinking ‘ummh, you could be right’ commonsense knowledge of UK modern political history says no.
No way.
If New Labour hangs on to power grimly with ten times the strength of a barnacle in a Force 10, and Lefty Labour even more so, the Conservatives are only a fraction behind them both. They see it as their historical and moral duty to keep the Whigs, whores and workers out of power in Parliament.
Secondly, with an existing small majority, the Bremoaners in the Conservatives had all the power they needed to subvert Brexit as was. They did not need this.
My roundup on the evening’s events. Just be glad that the SNP are polarising enough that the conservatives are winning seats in Scotland, otherwise we’d have Corbyn as PM
Been watching on Sky. Whilst their bias is sometimes nearly as bad as the BBC’s, I think they do have a better standard of journalism. They have had Remainers like Yvette Balls and Lord Adonis saying that this is a vote for staying in the single market. But that’s not what Labour campaigned on. Whilst I’m devastated by the result generally, I don’t see it as a disaster for Brexit. The pro-EU parties like Lib Dems and SNP are the parties that have seen their vote go down.
What a disastrous result for May though. History will surely judge her as one of the worst senior politicians of all time. She has been prime minister for less than a year, had a small but workable majority, calls an unnecessary election, delivers an ill-thought out manifesto which alienates her core support and has one of the worst campaigns I’ve ever seen from a party leader, and I haven’t forgotten Foot in 1983 or Major in 1997. Unbelievable!
Ruth Davidson has saved the Tories. Without those seats in Scotland they might not have been able to form a Government even with DUP support.
Does that mean that Ruth Davidson should be new Tory leader? Or, to be more accurate, a PROPER Tory leader!
I think Cameron must have sat down on the day of the eu referendum result and thought “ok so I didn’t get what I wanted-now who is the most useless person I could possibly put in charge to make sure this doesn’t happen?..Now, who did I put in charge of getting immigration down to the tens of thousands,….ah yes….!”
On the other hand, if at heart you’re a committed remainer, surrounded by committed remainers, and you have the chance to swing the balance back, by clever moves like a deliberately disastrous manifesto – alienating core voters, causing pointless fury by mumbling about fox hunting and similar political adroitness – you might just get the result you secretly hoped for.
Beltane, you could have added alienating your inner Cabinet and other senior Party figures so that they are completely non-existent during the election campaign.
The Conservative Party Chairman needs to start an immediate enquiry and Johnson, Hammond and Fallon should be grilled as to what they were up to and why.
I don’t think the cabinet ministers were wanted on the campaign. Theresa wanted to make it all about her. Well she got her answer.
Next!
Beltane, exactly my thoughts and I’ve been saying on here the same kind of thing.
If you were looking for a result just like this one then going about it as May has done is the way to get it.
Will we get a leaver as the next Tory leader or is this result all part of the politicians plans to scupper the Brexit that the people voted for but the politicians knew better.
If the next Tory leader is another remainer who gives the important jobs to other remainers (like Hammond and Rudd) then it will confirm where the tories are heading and it won’t be good for the majority who voted for Brexit.
Don’t we know it: Labour wins big in student areas http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2017-40212721?intlink_from_url=http://www.bbc.com/news/live/election-2017-40171454&link_location=live-reporting-story There they are – all after the freebies
Laura Cuentsberg said one thing I found interesting early this morning- that students can register to vote both in their home and term-time constituencies. I wonder how many voted in both?
You don’t think there might have been some postal voting fraud do you? The very idea!
Wash your mouth out!
It ain’t over ’til the fat lady sings….cue Adele…!
BBC happy. Socialism on the march among the yang people, who are better educated .
G,W.F
Edukayshon, Educaeshone, educashon!
I have my degree in media studies – Now wheres my six figure salary – If not I shall scream and scream and scream!
In the future when looking back at Mays premiership – I would imagine that the best that could be said of Theresa is that – The woman who didnt really believe in anything achieved just that – NOTHING
At least Corbyn had some sort of easily identifiable message – Free stuff for all and the kids like kids everywhere went for it.
As I said yesterday we will all get the result that we as an electorate deserves. But I do think that we are running out of second chances.
Oak,
Not just the Uk that is running out of second chances , so is the rest of the West. The French , the Dutch, the Germans are all voting for what is essentially more of the same. In the USA the media and their liberal left allies are trying to bring President Trump down. All of these countries seem to be happy with the Islamisation of their countries . Even though they had some brave politicians who were willing to put their heads above the parapet and oppose Islam they rejected them, at least for the time being. If they didn’t reject them, as in the US, they are allowing the liberal left to take them down.Here in the UK we have no one willing to oppose the Islamification of our country. And in the GE we have given a supporter of Islam a greater number of seats.
All in all you have to conclude that the people are either blind to Islamification or are happy to see it happen along with all that goes with it. The future is bleak and Islamic because the West is rotting from within.
The German media are now getting themselves excited about the prospect of a Labour minority government.
I always found the neverending succession of tory MPS saying “I voted remain but now I respect the will of the people..” rather disconcerting
The Turkish saying “the fish rots from the hesd ” seems more apt.
Fascinating that the BBC have repeatedly failed to point out that the seats required for an effective majority is actually only 322 due to Sinn Fein’s 7 seats, whilst delivering their ‘assessment’ of the result. Cons + DUP should be enough – albeit only just – to meet this requirement. Yet the BBC ignore this fact, and claim the Tories have no option other than a minority government.
thehoiman,
You are absolutely right. The BBC is being a bit muted about coalitions this morning because the most obvious one is that of Conservative/DUP. They are more aligned than any rainbow alliance you could cobble together out of the rest. The BBC knows this but hopes if they don’t make a song and dance about it nobody will notice. Unfortunately for them, Arlene Foster has noticed. In cleverly crafted political speak she has said,”I certainly think that there will be contact made over the weekend but I think it is too soon to talk about what we’re going to do.”
That means they just need to iron out the details. Watch the BBC’s reaction to that coalition; the DUP are no fans of the BBC and its sympathy for the IRA. We could, possibly, still get everything we wished for.
And in the DUP manifesto…
“The TV licence fee is a highly regressive tax which was designed for a different era”.
The party recommends the licence fee is cut and then abolished.
David Vance-our countries need you!
It seems that grievous overcrowding, particularly in areas of east London, might have had a disproportionate impact on the outcome of this election.
I mean, how else can anyone explain the 632 postal votes from a single Tower Hamlets household?
It’s baffling…
It is rather sweet that so many have suddenly rediscovered their unwavering belief in democracy again.
Well, in the UK at least.
Though I hear Gina Miller is thinking of funding Sarah Olney’s legal challenge.
BBC handing over every news show to the Jones Mason line up?
Having woken up to results as predicted in the exit poll and digested the numbers – what a complete clusterf*ck.
I’m sure I read somewhere on the BBC website that projected share of the vote is Conservative 44% and Labour 41%. If that is right it’s as good a share as Maggie managed. The frightening thing is that 41% voted for Corbyn, who I consider to be very dangerous. Well done BBC.
I wonder what the BBC corridor dead champagne bottle situation is?
Delighted that, here , the SNP lost ( good riddance to the nasty Tasmina ) and the Tories won. My vote was not wasted ! Looks like many Scots are getting sick of SNP bullshit !
It is the one bright part of a very gloomy picture.
Liar May utter failure in every way as home secretary, dangerous failure and disaster on security as PM,
Tories only a majority (its bloody obvious by electoral fraud) last time. Tories never take responsibility, and die in arrogance … so the incompetent Liar will not resign.
With all the manipulation, all the hedge fund money, all the billionaire rabid lying toilet paper press, all the MSM ….
and still … the arrogance, Amber Dudd, wanted three re counts.
A full campaign would have seen them buried, grasping party before country, self serving, and f-ck the population, as it is deceit and conniving? … the majority is gone
… the arrogance of Tories eh!
I think the real comedy of the night is in Krankie land where they had retained a least a modicum of normality with as it should be free tuition, and prescriptions … and couldn t wait to shoot themselves both feet by electing Tories 😀 … that will be short lived believe me.
This what happens when the combined forces of a thoroughly Marxist education system spends the best part of twenty years quietly training up an army of activists. Having been too lazy to vote in sufficient numbers in the EU referendum itself, this time around Labour’s paramilitary propaganda wing, Momenum, mobilised like never before.
This morning Chairman Corbyn is dizzy with with the result. He looks and sounds like a man who thinks he won last night’s election – and, if between them, the other parties can stitch up some kind of ‘progressive alliance’ it now places Brexit in very real danger.
Brexit is now facing an existential threat. Already there are whispers amongst the progressives that there might now be good chance the whole thing can be completely derailed. The BBC are ecstatic, of course.
Not just Corbyn thinks he won but BBC Radio 4 thinks that too. They are saying its an amazing result for Labour but terrible one for Tories. It kind of redefines what “winning” actually means these days!
It’s a pity May is not a Japanese politician. After a “win” of this magnitude, the shame should force her to ritually disembowel herself.
Steptoe “We are ready to serve the country [up to any enemy you care to mention]”
Neil on ELECTION 2017 taking this drivel from Steptoe’s sidekick seriously!!!??
Tabs: ” It kind of redefines what “winning” actually means these days!”
What? You mean like how the BBC thinks Trump won?
(posted with tongue in cheek)
Dead right.
The Greens and Lib Dems, SNP will get the usual free ride at the BBC.
May must go, but Sturgeon remains unscathed?
And the Tories have 50 seats more than the runners up, who they all thought was led by a loser-and now he`s not?
And out trot all his enemas to tell the BBC how great he`s been all along?
See a Jimmy Savile cut and paste on the Top of the Pops” cutting room floor to rebadge the Great Loser.
Yes, the media create this slurry. The BBC must be dealt with now.
The real facts are “brexit” was the next Tory scapegoat for its failures anyway.
Their real agenda was ruining what s left of our infastructure, our essentials,
lining their own grasping pockets, and f-cking over the majority of our population for themselves.
They could have been a thousand times more mobile on brexit come on you know it,
but deliberately dragged their feet enable more insidious projects
when you offer 50% of 18-21 year olds £30-40k to vote for your guess what happens
Can those of us not happy with this result now start demonstrating in the streets?
A little bit of rioting and pillaging.
Smash a few windows and daub graffiti on statues and monuments.
Maybe suggest that Russia had a hand in events.
Perhaps a court case or two.
Get your masks and placards ready!
It’s tempting isn’t it.
I seem to recall in 2010 that the BBC, the political Commentariat along with some Labourites and a few Tories were disgusted with the Electorate for returning a hung Parliament.
I wonder what they will say this time?
It’s all in the percentages.
Jeremy Corbyn clearly needs to be leader based on the numbers. Or something.
Maybe Nick Clegg and Sarah Olney could be uniquely funded by Gina Miller to act as Jeremy Corbyn’s Shad Chancer and Shadow Ho?
BBC presently interviewing Miller. Why do they give that woman airtime?
To be fair to Corbyn, he was a likely Brexit supporter. And if not, he`s that thick that he will be if we tell him that Tony Benn was.
And his “master of the rebels” would be spinning on his kebak stick in purgatory if Corbz didn`t come out of Junckers minibar and admit as much.
If he did that-he`d win any coming election.
So May needs a conviction leaver somewhere very big in the Cabinet. Doub`t she`d be able to manage that. Jacob Rees Mogg for me!
Brexit Bright Spots: just checked a couple of results. Kate Hoey and Frank Field both held their seats and increased their majorities. Both were under concerted attack from Bremoaners.
Clearly the voting age needs lowering to nine year olds.
They hate teeniies, who get more pocket money from the parents.
Envy on top of zero fiscal awareness is a potent draw.
That The Tory success north of the border is a rejection of independence is obviously true. But we should recognise that a key enabler of this was the charismatic leadership of Ruth Davidson. She is clearly a Tory who people can relate to and a Remainer . Given that hard Brexit is now impossible we need a Tory leadeR who can work with Brussels therefore they must have been a Remainer. We also need one one who can stop Labour from harvesting younger voters so comprehensively. In my book Ruth Davidson possesses these competencies and is a highly credible candidate . The Tories need to get her into Westminster asap and then elect her as leader.
I don’t see how they’d do that. She wouldn’t come south of the border and in a one-off by-election the anti-Tory majority would prevail I think.
“We also need one one who can stop Labour from harvesting younger voters so comprehensively.”
That’s a hard one for the Conservatives. Corbyn has effectively bribed extremely naive young people with money he hasn’t got. The country’s national debt of £1.7 trillion seemed to receive little or no mention. I fear that many new voters and quite a few older ones think only in terms of the deficit, if they are thinking at all. May also allowed Corbyn to take ownership of the NHS. As the national religion, that’s harder still. It’s a sinking ship that nobody dare leave.
The Conservatives, in their infinite wisdom, also succeeded in alienating many older voters at the same time. Quite an achievement.
Concern about immigration has not gone away and might well get worse. Here again, May is badly tainted by recent attacks on her watch and her own failure to control immigration. Terrorist attacks should have been bad news for a lefty Labour leader. That it seems to have made little difference is a monumental failure for May.
So far as the EU is concerned, it has looming problems of it’s own to deal with. As John Redwood has pointed out, if people were motivated primarily by Brexit, the LibDems would probably have done better than they did. Not sure that the EU will exist in its present form for much longer.
IMO, May is toxic and should go. If another election becomes necessary within 6 months, I fear Corbyn will still be a popular novelty act and could win. Labour is perceived to be in the ascendancy, the Conservatives are not. Corbyn as PM would inflict damage that would probably outlive me. His policies are still vacuous however and, with a little more time, people might start to see through him. Hope so, anyway.
Double
I disagree. No Remainers, no ‘soft’ Leavers, no Blairites.
So you are supporting the proposal that, after a narrow referendum win for Leave and a GE a year later, with Brexit a Key issue, which produced a hung parliament , a minority government can implement a hard Brexit. There is no way that this can ever be , no matter how distressing it is we have to face up to the fact that a hard Brexit Is now politically impossible. The real danger is that hard brexiteer MPs don’t accept that fact, split the Tory party and Corbyn marches into Downing Street. Brexit is dead we need to accept it. Corbyn, the Muslims friend, is close to power . It must be all hands on deck to repel him and his Labour scum, no matter how soft a Brexit we now have to swallow to keep Them out.
Aside from the waffling of remainiac BBC pundits I can see no evidence that this election was about Brexit, or even that Brexit was particularly important to most voters. Had it been, UKIP would have fared far better.
This election was about disenchantment with the government and the promise of nirvana under a socialist saviour.
GC,
Brexit was the reason why the election was called and one of the main reasons why the Tories thought that they would win it. Anyway the other parties will certainly claim that Brexit was a central issue and that there is now no mandate for a hard Brexit. There is no way now that the other parties or the HoL will allow anything other than a soft Brexit to pass. Nor will we ever be given a another in out referendum the liberal left establishment will see to that.
Brexit was not uppermost in the minds of the voters. The BBC and the rest of the remainiac media might try to spin it that way for their own ends but had Brexit been important to them, voters wouldn’t have voted for Labour, nor would so many have abandoned UKIP.
Both main parties are committed to Brexit, following the decision of the people, and it is in the manifesto. Why do you think it won’t happen, and how can it not happen?
Both parties say they are committed to Brexit. Personally, I have heard so many lies from both of them that I would run to check the calendar if they told me what month it was.
Remember, it has been established in a court of law that promises made in an election manifesto are not binding.
It would be child’s play to claim the deal offered by the EU wasn’t acceptable and to slide into some sort of associate status that meant next to no change. And I believe either of the two sets of liars would do just that if they thought they could get away with it. If not worse.
If Corbyn wants to renationalise the railways and energy sector (hypothetical I know), GC, he wouldn’t be able to do so whilst staying in the EU.
Just listening to Nigel being interviewed by Brillo.
He IS good. A good analysis of the situation, tells it as it is. Answers questions straight.
How we have missed him.
If Steve Hilton will not come back to the UK for the Conservative Party, would he come back to be UKIP Leader?
That would be a formidable pairing. Some of the pressure would be off Farage and he could concentrate on a constituency (in Kent?) to get a seat at Westminster. Hilton is strong, competent and coherent enough to be a spokesman and organise the Party, whether an MP or not. He was outstanding during the EU Referendum.
Yes, agreed. Even allowing for the fact that I have a soft spot for Farage, that interview showed just how very astute he is.
R.I.P. Great Britain.
CM,
Unwisely I started reading Douglas Murray’s book, the strange death of Europe. That book , which brings great clarity to my mish mash of fear, worries and incomprehension , makes grim reading. Coupled with the GE result it makes an extremely depressing cocktail. But it is impossible not to agree that GB will be finished within the next few decades ,or sooner if the looney left get into No 10. This scares the hell out of me and it is becoming a bit of a habit to remind myself that I will most probably be dead before the foul fruits of the liberal left policyof Islamification are felt in full force. But what will become of those younger folks who are voting for Corbyn et al God alone knows
“But what will become of those younger folks who are voting for Corbyn et al God alone knows”
The snowflakes who apparently voted in large numbers for Santa Clause and his money tree will have to get some backbone, stop holding their noses, and join the working class youth who will start the fightback. Unfortunately, it also means they’ll have to fight the police and UAF.
The working classes who saw the writing on the wall decades ago got it right. They were at the sharp end even then.
BTW, I would have thought that Roy Larner, who fought back at London Bridge and was stabbed several times in the process, deserved a bit more attention. But then, unlike the bouncer who threw chairs and bottles but was, as far as I know, totally uninjured, Roy Larner is a white Millwall supporter so “go figure”.
As usual:
“O it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ ” Tommy, go away ” ;
But it’s ” Thank you, Mister Atkins,” when the band begins to play”
Jo, I was thinking of exactly the same poem by Kipling with regards to Mr Larner. Also Orwell’s line in ‘1984’: ‘if there is hope, it lies in the proles’. The white working class have always been the first to stick two fingers up to ideologues, which is why the liberal/left intelligentsia loathe them so much.