The BBC are desperately clutching at straws as their big hope to take down Trump, the case against Paul Manafort, looks like it is unconnected with Trump and the Russians at present….all to do with previous, pre-Trump dealings with Ukrainians. So the BBC moves rapidly on to another Trump advisor and now pronounce that….
This may be the real blockbuster
Initial headlines on Monday morning were about Paul Manafort’s indictment for money laundering and undisclosed foreign lobbying activities. The real blockbuster, however, may end up being George Papadopoulos’s plea bargain, which was disclosed shortly after the Manafort news came out.
Unlike Mr Manafort, pinched for activities largely conducted before he joined the Trump team, Mr Papadopoulos has admitted to lying to the FBI about contacts he had with Russian nationals while serving as a Trump foreign policy adviser.
The BBC’s report has chosen a very definite narrative….that Papadopoulos proactively sought out the Russians in order to find dirt on Clinton and to make connections between Trump and the Russians. Trouble is that seems more the BBC’s wishful thinking than the truth. The Telegraph, which doesn’t particularly like Trump, has a more balanced and probably truthful narrative that shows Papadopoulos was lured in [and why wouldn’t he be interested in ‘dirt’ on Clinton?] and that Trump just wasn’t interested in making contact in any meaningful way…and the Russian offer to meet was an ‘open invitation’ to travel to Russia and meet Putin…it was what is a pretty normal approach to meet potential leaders….Corbyn went to the EU the other week….is he being groomed by the EU, is the EU interfering in British democracy? The BBC can’t have it both ways.
From the measured Telegraph:
The professor and the Russian woman were in regular contact with Papadopolous throughout March and April 2016 about the possibility of setting up a trip to Russia for Mr Trump or senior campaign officials.
“As mentioned we are all very excited by the possibility of a good relationship with Mr Trump. The Russian Federation would love to welcome him once his candidature would be officially announced,” the Russian woman wrote to Papadopoulos in April 2016.
Papadopoulos was talking up the Russia connection to senior Trump campaign officials. “The Russian government has an open invitation by Putin for Mr Trump when he is ready,” he told a campaign official on April 25.
The proposed visit to Russia by Mr Trump never materialised and it appears senior campaign officials were less enthusiastic about the idea than Papadopoulos.
The BBC’s version just more partisan nonsense from the BBC which should stick to the facts and stop inventing sensational news stories and making spurious and unfounded interpretations and allegations.
In another report the BBC makes dramatic portrayal of Trump ‘raging’, in a ‘tirade’ and ‘making outburts’ about all this and yet the BBC casually brush aside, way down right at the very bottom of the report, allegations that Clinton took large amounts of money from the Russians…
Mr Trump said on Friday that it was now “commonly agreed” that there was no collusion between him and Russia but said that there were links between Moscow and Mrs Clinton.
Republican lawmakers have said that a uranium deal with a Russian company in 2010, when Mrs Clinton was secretary of state, was sealed in exchange for donations to her husband’s charity.
A Congressional investigation has been opened into the case. Democrats say it is an attempt to divert attention from the alleged ties between Russia and Mr Trump.
The BBC has reported it here but where is the massive and intense scrutiny of such serious allegations as they apply to Trump? Never mind Clinton’s use of private, insecure servers to keep highly sensitive government documents on, what of Obama giving the Russians 20% control of US uranium or the fact that, as reported by the NYT, Clinton got millions from the Russians? Where are the claims that either of them were in Putin’s pocket?
And where is the BBC report on this?……note the links to Russia……
Tony Podesta Resigns from Podesta Group as Mueller Probe Heats Up
Democratic “power lobbyist” Tony Podesta is resigning from the Podesta Group, after coming under investigation by FBI Special Counsel Robert Mueller, Politico reported Monday.
“Podesta announced his decision during a firm-wide meeting Monday morning and is alerting clients of his impending departure,” Politico reported. Podesta’s brother, John Podesta, served as chairman of Hillary Clinton’s campaign.
Last week, NBC News reported that Podesta and the Podesta Group were subjects of Mueller’s investigation, which has “morphed into a criminal inquiry into whether the firm violated the Foreign Agents Registration Act.”
The Podesta Group has also lobbied for Uranium One, the Canadian-based energy company that has come under scrutiny as well.
And then there’s the link to the firm that produced the ‘dodgy dossier’ on Trump…again the BBC take little to no interest in the fact that this lurid anti-Trump dossier was produced for the Democrats….
Obama’s Campaign Paid $972,000 To Law Firm That Secretly Paid Fusion GPS In 2016
Since April of 2016, Obama’s campaign organization has paid nearly a million dollars to the law firm that funneled money to Fusion GPS to compile a dossier of unverified allegations against Donald Trump.
They think they are in ‘all the presidents men’ and getting off on the dream of a press prize. Those that don’t like president trump will be re enforced in their view , those who support him will continue – and the majority really couldn’t care . Quite rightly
Elections are always dirty – look at what st Kennedy’s dad to fix it for him to become president. People are realists about all of this too .
President Trump = DIG DIG DIG
Hilary Clinton = Move along, nothing to see here.
The blatant hypocrisy is quite staggering.
You obviously missed the BBC memo. The US arch-villain must never be referred to by his official title. He is only ever Trump, or Donald Trump, or at the most polite Mr. Trump on air.
Not lost on me charmbrights either. I was brought up to show respect to all, unlike the employees of our State Broadcaster who seem to have taken bad manners to a whole new level.
While the BBC would like us to believe that a Russian backed leak of emails and some Kremlin Twitter accounts cost H R Clinton the race, they are surprisingly quiet about this.
Hillary Clinton
TOTAL RAISED
$1,191M
Donald Trump
TOTAL RAISED
$646.8M
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/
Both staggeringly huge amounts, but is it possible that the EXTRA $550M for Clinton had an influence on the outcome? Throw in a compliant MSM and the advantage of the incumbent directing agencies, and I don’t think Ivan and Svetlana tweeting away in Russia would tip that balance much. Still, Auntie knows best, so I can only assume that the $550M was wasted.
Alan,
“…desperately clutching at straws…”
I see, so Papadopoulos didn’t “proactively” ask the Russians if they had any dirt on Clinton (BBC made no such claim by the way). But no, the Russians just offered him some dirt on a plate and he sucked it up – because, you know, who could resist.
So that’s okay then.
“Trump just wasn’t interested in making contact in any meaningful way…”
Again, the Telegraph article makes no such claim. It quotes:
“We [the Trump campaign] need someone to communicate that [Mr Trump] is not doing these trips. It should be someone low level in the campaign so as not to send any signal”.
For some strange, unknown reason your selective quoting of The Telegraph left that bit out?
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Trump’s election Campaign Manager charged with:
Conspiracy against the US.
Conspiracy to launder money.
Being an unregistered foreign agent.
Lying on foreign agent registration forms.
Seven counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts…
Trump’s election Campaign Adviser:
Pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI…
And you’re reduced to; but, but, but Corbyn…
_
You’re a clown, Alan; driving along at 3 mph in your sad little “but, but” clown car.
Bloody hell Maxi, you’re on here early tonight. Did you forget to alter your clock?
How’s the Trabant going Maxi?
Lobster
He is a junior employee , someone hasn’t turned up for work so he has to cover two shifts at Al Beeb.
😀
Clocks haven’t gone back yet in North America ?
maxincony
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The basic scenario is that the Russians are the source of all the evidence about how bad and criminal Hilary Clinton is, and if it wasn’t for them, all that is bad and criminal about Hilary Clinton would still be secret from the electorate. And therefore she would have won the election. But then on the run up to the election, Trump voters must have all known what that evidence was, and we already know that it wasn’t obtained from the Russians through Donald Trump’s election Campaign Manager.
But what evidence I have seen is that the Russians have never had any evidence that has not been available to any US Journalist or Melanie Phillips, who seems to be the only British journalist who does not censor what is available. The evidence attributed to Russia comes from Democratic National Committee emails that conclusively prove that former DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and others colluded in order to deny Bernie Sanders the party’s nomination, inspiring Seth Rich to leak information to Wikileaks. Information probably obtained with help from Imran Awan who has been charged with fraud and other crimes connected to stealing and selling equipment and classified information.
The BBC construct a narrative using selective censorship of the available information, which confuses morons like maxincony, who may just be a bit confused because obviously the Russian media must be much less censorious than the BBC. As some of the above information does seem to appear on the RT news channel in Britain.
How you feeling about all your lefty chums and their impending sexual harassment cases?
I see twinkle toes is opining about Trumps campaign advisor again. Here is what Bugger lugs doesn’t mention:
That on the 28th March 2016 66 year old Manafort a Republican strategist with direct experience managing nomination fights joined the Trump campaign. That after 144 days on the 19th of August 2016 Manafort resigned from the Trump campaign 2 days after Trump received his first intelligence briefing (a standard procedure for major party presidential nominees.) where he was made aware that Manafort had been under an FBI investigation since 2014.
Hi Max:
Nice to hear from you again.
Have you managed to find any right wing bias on the BBC yet?
Rob,
Am I the only person who finds Maxiboy’s obsession with Alan rather unhealthy ?
He only wants to touch his knee.
Speaking of not being able to resist getting dirt on a Presidential rival …
“The long probe into Russia’s meddling in the 2016 presidential election took another turn this week when it was revealed that Hillary Clinton’s campaign helped fund the creation of the controversial Trump dossier.”
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/26/politics/trump-clinton-podesta-steele-dossier-fusion-gps/index.html
“There is no proof that the Trump campaign was in cahoots with the Kremlin. Meanwhile, the Clinton camp’s unverified dossier is playing a dangerously outsized role.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/10/30/manafort-nothingburger-focus-real-election-meddling-like-trump-dossier-james-robbins/813620001/
DID THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN FUND THE TRUMP-RUSSIA DOSSIER? $972,000 IN ‘LEGAL SERVICES’ PAYMENTS SCRUTINIZED
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-dossier-obama-clinton-funded-golden-shower-tape-696402
Clinton campaign, DNC paid for research that led to Russia dossier
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/clinton-campaign-dnc-paid-for-research-that-led-to-russia-dossier/2017/10/24/226fabf0-b8e4-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html?utm_term=.2df2f474f5fc
So I guess that’s where some of Clinton’s war chest went. As it turned out they bought a tissue of lies, but I guess when you go digging you don’t often get gold. For the record, I don’t think Hilary Clinton is a bad person, or that Donald Trump is nice. But I think Trump is a Frankenstein monster created by the American Left and is just what the US needs right now to drain the swamp. I wish we in the UK had a similar big beast at the top.
Lol.
Next you’ll be claiming that BBC Zurcher’s rabid, anti-Trump derangement
syndrome tweets are’impartial.’
The BBC’s press arm, The Grauniad, came out with this whopper this morning
Trump-Russia inquiry heats up as three key aides indicted
These activists never give up, because without their activism, there would be nothing left of them.
The entrenched swamp dwellers are desperate to remove the President . The longer he holds out the more they are panicking .
Happily the deplorables probably do not care to listen to them any more and hopefully will back their President all the way and that means all the way.
Ignore all of the crap that is coming and particularly the bile from the Guardian/BBC axis of whining .
The same with Brexit .Just ignore all of the crap from the same usual suspects and those who can only think of how to run down and destroy this fine country.
It is time to confront them and ignore them
Dave S,
“Ignore all of the crap… Just ignore all of the crap… It is time to confront them and ignore them”
Quite right, Dave S. Close your eyes, shove your fingers in your ears and sing “la, la, la”.
It’s all you’ve got left.
Newton here. Newton the octopus.
Remember me? I post here, under a pseudonym, occasionally.
I am disappointed, yet again you are claiming imaginary victories.
I cannot discover where on this website you have addressed the thousands of posts which demonstrated why hillary clinton should be in jail, forever.
Despite my making many requests, some of them even polite, that you do so.
Alan could not have established more clearly the extreme and continual bias of the bbc against Trump.
Please keep posting here, any time night or night.
It all helps to undermine the treasonous position of twmtb.
Maxicony is definitely Zero. Same style. Or do these BBC recruits from the yoonie soc soc all argue the same way?
The don’t call it the hive mind for nothing.
Clones
Maxicony,
Trading in a plethora of infantile mockeries must get boring.
These BBC goons have far too much time to troll.
Back to viper’s nest.
Say hi to your fellow brainwashed clowns.
maxicony
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Maybe you do not get it yet. This is a culture war and it is getting nasty. The BBc and the Guardian progressive left are on the other side to many of us and as in any war do not merit any time wasted on them.
Confront or ignore. It will come down to this in the end.
It always does.
Quite right, Dave S. Close your eyes, shove your fingers in your ears and sing “la, la, la”.
Says Islam’s No 1 fan.
BBC email (some may wish to look away now as it is not off the wireless) this morning:
*****
Russia-linked posts ‘reached 126m US Facebook users’
Facebook
Russia has repeatedly denied claims that it attempted to influence the last US presidential election in favour of Donald Trump. But Facebook has revealed that about 80,000 posts, produced before and after last November’s vote, were the work of a company with links to the Kremlin. As many as 126 million American users may have seen the content, the social media giant added.
Facebook released the figures ahead of a Senate hearing, the company saying the actions run counter to “everything we stand for”. On Monday, Google revealed Russian trolls had added more than 1,000 YouTube videos on 18 different channels, while Twitter has found and suspended 2,752 accounts linked to a Russia-based firm, a source said.
“It’s quite staggering,” writes BBC technology reporter Dave Lee, “how the problem dismissed just over a year ago by Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg as ‘crazy talk’ has exploded into a crisis at the world’s biggest social network.”
The news comes after Mr Trump’s election adviser George Papadopoulos admitted lying to the FBI about the timing of meetings with alleged go-betweens for Russia.
****
It’s a fun packed post, all the more fun for being about one of the major American social media outlets the BBC is now inextricably bound to.
But the best is the BBC editorial pet phrase bingo:
Subhead ‘quote’ – someone else said it, so it goes up in lights.
Repeated denial – no doubt based on an accusation. Lead with that.
Links with – uh-Huh
May have – or… May not have.
“Quote from Dave Lee” – of the BBC, who is staggered.
All with the bolt-on kicker crafted by an entity whose editorial integrity seldom runs to time or space to include context or much else, like the odd notion that voters should not be exposed to abuses of power the BBC does not want held to account.
“Comrade, the good news is that your Facebook posts have reached 126M American users”.
“Comrade, the bad news is that they were the ones with your stupid cat video”.
“As many as 126 million American users may have seen the content, the social media giant added.”
Oh my sides. Seen by as many as 126M, or as few as ? Who off Facebook changed their vote as a result. When Justin Bieber alone has 65M+ followers on Twitter, I think Putin should ask for his money back.
I think it seems clear that the crimes Mr Manafort are charged with predate his work on the Trump campaign, and have nothing to do with it. Whether he is guilty will now be for a court to decide.
As for the unfortunate Mr Papadopoulos, he has been charged with “lying to the FBI”. This is actually a crime. It is what got Martha Stewart and Scooter Libby convicted. If you try and co-operate with the FBI, but give them information which turns out to be wrong, even if you thought it was right, they can charge you with the crime of lying to them.
I think that Mr Mueller has found nothing after spending months and millions of dollars on his anti-Trump witch hunt, if this is the best he can come up with. Mr Papadopoulos got some dates wrong, and they have seized on that to charge him. You can actually go to prison for that in America.
It is for this reason that many lawyers will advise their clients never to answer any questions put to them by the FBI. If you make one mistake, they can literally turn it into a federal case. The only safe answer to give the FBI is a polite “no comment”.
….. Mr Mueller with his star-chamber of left-leaning, Democratic, Clinton-campaign-contributing lawyers …..
how dare people to make decisions on what they came to know about al capona clinton? she was annointed. it was her turn. no matter what she ever did or does.
” (‘No one left to lie to {amazon}‘)”
BBC finds some old news to show, rather than some new news … Reality Check: Was Hillary Clinton photographed with Osama Bin Laden? {bbc.co.uk 31oct2017}
The claim: Photographs show Osama Bin Laden was hosted in the White House.
Reality Check verdict: An image that has been shared on social media in Russia is fake. There are no known photographs of Osama Bin Laden at the White House and no evidence such an extraordinary event ever occurred.
– Why now? Who cares? Why not the Uranium story on Clinton? Why not find out about the Clinton Foundation?
George Papadopoulos: Trump trashes ‘low level’ indicted aide
He said his onetime foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos was a “low level volunteer” and “liar”. Mr Trump once called him an “excellent guy”.
Papadopoulos, 30, this month pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his Kremlin-related contacts.
WTF can’t the BBC (& Channel4 News) spot the reason for Trump calling him a liar?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41820677