790 Responses to Midweek Open Thread

  1. ChrisMorrison says:

    Top Green Loon Caroline Lucas has just finished a spell on LBC radio arguing that the Government ought to do more to make us eat healthier food. She argues that the government should increase the welfare budget to compensate claimants who are obese and encourage them to eat better food. Last time I looked, the welfare budget was designed as a safety net so that people had enough to eat. An excellent social help to people in real need. Now under new exciting green plans it is there to compensate lard buckets who need to eat less calories.

    Try as hard as I can, I just don’t understand this brave new world. But I get the feeling that once again I shall be paying for it.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      I can’t solve the equation of more food banks and more obesity.
      The socialists like the image of nurses ( angels) queuing up at food banks but many of the nurses I saw recently visiting someone looked a bit over drawn at the food bank.

      It’s parental responsibility for kids food intake not the nanny state.

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      • Alicia Sinclair says:

        WE always know where to find our nurses here at the care homes locally.
        At any smoking shelters on NHS grounds. You`ll always find them.

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      • Up2snuff says:

        Fed, think its probably the New Math.

        Bit like “We are all getting older. We are getting sicker and clogging up the NHS” when it is obvious that pre- & post-natal and years 0-18 are the most demanding according to BBC News & Current Affairs coverage at other times.

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        • MarkyMark says:

          It’s a one sided BBC story …

          In the Born in Bradford study, 63% of Pakistani mothers are married to cousins, and within that group there was a doubling of the risk of a baby’s being born with a congenital anomaly. The report also found that “a larger number” of children born to cousins

          “will have health problems that may lead to death, or long term illness for the baby.”

          Born in Bradford Research Study {theyworkforyou}

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          • johnnythefish says:

            OMG.

            Any observations oh Defender of the Faith? (That’s you, Maxincony)

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      • DownBoy says:

        Fedup2 – Overdrawn at the food bank – LOL!

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    • Alicia Sinclair says:

      Chris Morrison above?
      Pay people to get fatter?
      Wow-only the Greens eh?
      But this one will be adopted by the rest of `em very soon.
      Bariatric bonanza!

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      • BRISSLES says:

        Its crackers that everyone wants ‘the Government’ to do something. They already do, they find millions to give to N.Ireland as a sweetener to help out the government, they’re finding trillions to hand out as compensayshun to those who have no intelligence to sort their paperwork out, and they create memorial days for (who?).

        The problem is this generation of parents, – not teaching their kids to tell the time, not showing them how to use a knife and fork, not helping to teach them the times table, never saying ‘no’ to them, expecting others (grandparents and teachers) to teach them basics and bring them up. I might be generalising here, but from what I’ve seen and heard parenting is rubbish in this day and age.

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  2. G says:

    Could there be a message here for British police?
    “The kind of social contract between state and society that leads citizens to help the authorities is not working in those parts of Sweden where police are seen as the enemy.”
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/violent-crime-in-sweden-is-soaring-when-will-politicians-act/
    I now see the police as the enemy.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      G
      By bending over for guest workers and other foreign types in Blighty the cops are losing the consent bit that they’ve always depended on. I agree with the ‘ best avoided’ view . Particularly if all they care to do is give out a reference for insurance purposes and send a nice multilingual victim pack .

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      • RJ says:

        “the cops are losing the consent bit that they’ve always depended on.”

        In Norfolk the police had to change their slogan after they arrested Tony Martin. All their cars were tagged “Making Norfolk Safer”, but the locals refered to it as “Making Norfolk Safer for Criminals”.

        That was several Chief Constables ago so the lesson will have been forgotten by now.

        I have a lot of respect for street level officers, who have an impossible job, but the senior levels have been corrupted by politics.

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        • ToobiWan says:

          “…but the senior levels have been corrupted by politics.” and Common Purpose, RJ.

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    • Al Shubtill says:

      If you want evidence of how much of an enemy the police will increasingly become of indigenous Britons, have a scan through this Soviet style guidance for crimes and incidents of “Hate” from the College Of Policing.
      It truly is like something O’Brien could have quoted parts of whilst interrogating Winston Smith, in “Nineteen Eight-Four”. It’s basically a catch-all for anything the police or government to use, to get someone who doesn’t toe the PC line sufficiently or becomes a nuisance for them.

      Click to access hate_crime_operational_guidance.pdf

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      • MarkyMark says:

        GhostCrime … PreCrime … ThoughtCrime ….

        Hate crimes are far more prevalent than official statistics suggest. (HOW DO THEY KNOW?) Proportionately (WITHOUT DATA), they are more likely (WITHOUT DATA) to be directed against the person than non-hate crimes (REAL CRIMES?), and they tend to be experienced repeatedly. . . . .
        Hate crimes can have a greater emotional impact on the victim than comparable non-hate crimes (REAL CRIMES), and can cause increased levels of fear and anxiety that can also permeate through wider communities.

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      • MarkyMark says:

        Hate motivation
        Hate crimes and incidents are taken to mean any crime or incident where the perpetrator’s hostility or prejudice against
        an identifiable group of people is a factor in determining who is victimised.

        Hate incident
        Any non-crime incident which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice based on a person’s race or perceived race, …

        Hate crimes
        A hate crime is any criminal offence which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice based on a person’s race or perceived race …

        “perceived, by the victim or any other person”

        “Jon reports circumstances which amount to an offence under section 4 of the Public Order Act 1986. He was sworn at and threatened that he would be punched in the face by an attacker who moved toward him in an aggressive manner. Nothing was said about his sexual orientation but he perceives that he was targeted as he is openly gay and there was no other reason why he was chosen. He reports this to the police who should correctly record this as a hate crime based on sexual orientation.”

        Hate Crime Operational Guidance 2014

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        • Alicia Sinclair says:

          Ta for this Mark.
          How the heck can a “perception” be the same as a “crime”?
          That opinions, thoughts feelings are now playgrounds for EU lawyers and quangos, diversity queens is truly scary.
          How can it a crime if it objectively does no harm-only might be seen as offensive by grievance farmers, on behalf of yet-to -be determined identity hustlers who won`t even get a Lottery ticket, seeing as this line of work pays out far more, more certainly too.
          Place has gone mad-and why isn`t Shiner in jail yet?

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          • G says:

            Quite, Alicia.
            The Hate Crime nonsense has completely upturned the well established elements of a crime the police/CPS/Courts have hitherto used. Now it is all down to, as you point out, a ‘perception’. In effect, a perhaps merely ‘upset’ victim. What surprises me is that the always strong and voiciferous law academics have all fallen silent. No criticism. Not a peep. But if that’s what we are left with, I, for one will use it. Like most of the new crop of ‘victims’ perceiving crimes, I will do my bit: ears super-tuned and ready to perceive; eyes super-tuned to that odd sideways glance I perceive to be hostile; fingers poised over the 9 digit ready to call the boys in blue. I am ready to join the queue in wasting police time.

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            • albion49 says:

              Best response if you are accused of so-called ‘hate crime’ is to turn the tables and accuse the accuser of ‘hate crime’ – for your accuser must hate you if he/she is taking the trouble to report you!

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        • GRIM REAPER says:

          Why is hate now a crime?….hate is as natural an emotion in a human as is Love…..so why is it a crime to hate?….if hatred goes further and results in violence and bodily harm then yes, that is not acceptable…but to think hate…express it in words?..and then go to prison for it…NO….Mrs May has destroyed free speech….Mayor Khan has 900 Met officers trawling social media, looking for hate speech, against moslems of course, the others can go whistle…..this is scandalous….Chaki?..any comment?….No chance…she’s a Labour shill now….,worthless.

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          • taffman says:

            I hate brussels sprouts . I do hope the vegetarian police don’t see this post .

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          • Richard Pinder says:

            Why is hate now a crime? I suppose its because of the influence of Islam on white middle-class atheists such as the Archbishop of Canterbury. Ever since the end of paganism in England the law has been under the civilising influence of Christianity. Under Christianity, Christians are told to “forgive those who hate you“. This creates a civilising effect because it promotes the understanding of why someone would hate you. But in Islam people are told to “take revenge upon those who hate you”. This backward uncivilising effect has now been enshrined in English and Scottish law and is a symbol of a collapsing civilisation. A deeply Christian Prime Minister such as Jacob Rees-Mogg under a deeply Christian head of State would be needed to repeal the evil hatred laws and promote Christian understanding of why Christians exhibit verbal hatred about Christians being killed by Islamic people using knives, bombs and motor cars.

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  3. MarkyMark says:

    Will it be reported on the BBC £3.5bn News Omission Service? Who knows! Does the BBC care, as long as rainbows appear everywhere?

    Controversial imam who called Islamist murderer a ‘hero’ is recruited to join Labour – because he thinks Corbyn will fix knife crime{thesun 25apr2018}

    “A Labour Party spokeswoman told The Sun that Mr Ul Hassan’s application to join the party has now been rejected after The Sun revealed his praise for Qadri.”

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  4. Roland Deschain says:

    Did BBC News tweet when 100,000 signed the petition for abolition of the House of Lords yesterday? I don’t recall seeing it in my Twitter feed.

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    • oldcrone says:

      Wed 25th .. 5.30pm …. 118,000 and rising fast, let’s see how much longer they **won’t** report it ??

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      • fakenewswatcher says:

        Can we hear the sound of squealing yet, from the trough? Any snorting noises?

        Fear of another referendum, this time about them. It has that effect. Is an elected Senate creeping up on them? At the very moment the uneducated are being kept busy so nicely with the customs union and Windrush the start petitions?

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    • StewGreen says:

      Well they don’t report quarter million signatures
      on the Abolish The TV Licence Petition
      Nor signers comments overwhelmingly complaining of #BiasedBBC left/lib bias
      251,277 sigs now
      #BBC #MetroLibElite our new colonial masters
      https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/end-the-bbc-licence-fee

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      • fakenewswatcher says:

        Good point Stew.
        What has been the response?
        Who benefits from the financing of the BBC?
        Who benefits from their consistent political message?
        You get a similar message from other sources, eg ITV, but you’re not directly forced to fund them.
        And none of them are quite as monolithic and all-embracing.
        Government and parliament appear quite happy to go along with this arrangement.
        Why? How do they benefit?
        I am not a fan of conspiracy theories. There are so many of them about, it can get quite confusing.
        The above questions seem of particular interest: they are palpable and immediate. There are huge sums of money involved. It follows that even larger sums are at stake beyond the boundaries of our state broadcaster.
        ‘The people’ seldom have a direct opportunity to decide on anything. So, what is also of interest is: when such a rare opportunity is given (oops, someone miscalculated) , it is interesting to watch what this state broadcaster does.
        It is also interesting to note what parliament has done, promptly taking the outcome of the decision from us. Because we are too stupid, uneducated, it’s all too complex, etc etc. That segment with the most ‘expertise’ -who should in theory step in for us, given their huge resources- have been the most hostile. (The unelected. The most undemocratic. Makes perfect sense.)
        So yes, petitions can be ignored. Referenda can be ignored.
        The existence of this site is one tiny sign (of a great many) that there are those who are watching. And waiting.
        The ‘mighty’ ignore these ‘tiny’ signs at their peril.

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    • StewGreen says:

      4OK and they’ll report a tumble dryer petition

      Other petitions @BBCnews tweeted
      – #BBCrecipes petition reaches over 70,000 http://bbc.in/1XwUvXX

      – More than 30,000 people have signed a petition against council plans to charge for a #Parkrun event in Bristol

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  5. MarkyMark says:

    Might be a moral hidden in here …. Labour … Conservatives … EU … Knotweed ‘cannot be eradicated’, Swansea Uni trial shows {bbc.co.uk 25apr2018}

    “A typical situation is a couple wanting to get divorced. They’ve got a lot of knotweed in their garden, they both want to move on with their lives and they’ve got a house they can’t sell.”

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  6. MarkyMark says:

    Let’s face it: there is not Planet B. @EmmanuelMacron …

    … There is not Europe (not EU) B. … Let’s invite everyone in!

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  7. Alicia Sinclair says:

    The BBC seemed-for once-to be fair to Brexit in PM with Carolyn Quinn just now. They went to a bioscience lab in Welwyn, where the scientist told the reporter that Brexit WOULD be better, likely as not. The EMA being sclerotic, passive and garrotting the best science in its red tape ;being my take on it.
    See Beeb-the sky hasn`t fallen in, facts don`t hurt now do they?
    But being the BBC, they HAD to read their news bulletin to tell us that Macron urged Trump to be open to the world-the BBC thought this a rebuke to “Trumps isolationist policies”.
    When I want a newsreaders scripted mouth off, I will ask her.
    Stick to the facts, not your opinions dear.
    And will the blokes who write this stuff to put into newsreaders gobs PLEASE stick to facts? North Korea and France don`t think Trump isolationist at all. Only suits at the BBC are that silly nowadays.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Abraham Badru was shot dead in Hackney last month – one of the 63? Dead in London so far in 2018. There is no apparent motive – apart giving prosecution evidence in a rape trial. He had a job , a Mum who loved him and had never been in trouble with the police .

      This was reported on the local ITV. To me it demonstrates the absence of proper coverage by al beeb – especially in comparison with stories it favours .

      Cut and paste maxi

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  8. Guest Who says:

    I wonder if, like their editorial integrity, BBC persistence can err on the selective?

    Given their rapid responses to Owen, surely Skwakbox warrants hiring yet more editors?

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  9. vesnadog says:

    Another example when the BBC News as told us nothing about this fella!

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/judge-at-center-of-alfie-evans-case-is-a-pro-gay-activist

    One would think its in the interest of the parents/future parents whose case comes up afore this googler judge. I feel that we the British public should have been informed about his out of court antics.

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    • G.W.F. says:

      The BBC has given a reasonable but limited account of the case of Alfie, the infant the officials at Alder Hey Hospital and the Courts want to see dead.

      The argument that it is in one’s best interests to be dead is often trotted out and is flawed. Best interests refer to one’s future life, as when it is argued that the best interests of a child is to live with either mother or father after a marriage breakdown But death is the cessation of interests, it is not an event in life after which interests can be assessed.

      Then we have accounts of damage to the child’s brain. Just how much of the brain is dysfunctional? We are told it has virtually no activity. I very much doubt this. Whilst drunken drivers minimize loss of impairment doctors will frequently exaggerate it.

      Above all is the political issue – the contest between state authority and parental rights.

      And how much is the government acting behind the scenes as we are aware that it is now an international issue? Treezer the childless PM with a dad who allegedly had a curious relationship with children, has remained silent.

      Finally, take a look at Alfie’s Army – white working class people who are certainly not part of the elite political bubble.

      Here – in fairness to the BBC who probably have not read their instructions on the matter – is a brief report on world reaction to the case. Not a good account of the envy of the world.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-43892684

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  10. StewGreen says:

    Rotherham : Sammy Woodhouse just coming up on ITV Yorkshire Calendar

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  11. Sluff says:

    BBC 6pm news.
    One thing we can be sure about. The bBBC treatment of the ‘Windrush’ issue shows that they stand foursquare behind the Labour Party unfettered open door immigration policy.

    The irony is of course that the Windrush generation came crom selected countries to fill skills and demand/supply gaps in the labour market. In other words, the very managed migration many on this site have advocated for years……

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  12. MarkyMark says:

    Bbc news … France in mass strikes … Macron gives speech and is a God …. there is no planet b …. but with space travel there could be.

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    • Holly Selassie says:

      Too true. Blair also bestrode the world like some papier mache colossus as the country fell into hell.
      That`s what Foreign Policy seems to be about.
      And though Trump might be a blowhard, he`s not mad enough to compare himself to an ancient Greek God. Who wasn`t real.
      Macrons nation is in flames most Wednesdays and weekends.
      Maybe he`s hoping to twin with Disneyland.
      Total misfits these childless goons who we`re electing in western Europe arent they?
      Rees Mogg needs our votes, at least he`s got plenty lead in his pencil.

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  13. Richard Pinder says:

    BBC Headline “Will Salisbury ever recover from the Skripal poisoning”. This question seems to be a precursor to Psychological operations (PSYOP) planned by MI5 to convey indicators to audiences to influence their emotions, motives, and objective reasoning, and ultimately the behaviour of individuals. Operations involve marching around Salisbury with Chemical Suits and demolishing houses owned by the Skripals and Millers. British Army Brigadier Alastair Aitken set up 77th Brigade in April 2015.

    Meanwhile, proof that Yulia Skripal is free to confirm by phone, video or by handwriting, that the statement that she is free? was not fabricated, is elusive. Meanwhile I have unconfirmed rumours of a leak saying that a blond woman seen in key areas of Salisbury at the time was a CIA agent married to someone British at Porton Down. Also indications that the Novichok agents applied to the door were not a Nerve Agent, but a cocktail of organophosphates, as Dr Robin M Black at Porton Down seemed to imply and Dr Stephen Davies of Salisbury District Hospital seemed to confirm. Would explain why the organisation for the prohibition of chemical weapons has not banned Novichok agents.

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    • Holly Selassie says:

      Will the East End? or Coventry?…ever get over the Blitz?
      Thank the Lord we had a Churchill and some sense of dignity and probity when it REALLY was life and death, Not just some BBC puff piece.
      I attended an LPA gathering in Salisbury last Saturday at the Cathedral.
      It was packed, people from all over Wiltshire and Dorset etc there. Picnics out on the grass, loads of tourist spend.
      But the BBC would never tell you that.
      Now had it been a Mosque , then Islam would have had the news all to itself that evening.
      As for Putin-he probably didn`t know that you can kill your enemies here in the UK if LABOUR are in power(Litvenenko 2006), and then May will hold some arse covering enquiry many years later when you`ve got your spooks back home? But don`t do it when Trump and Brexit might get a few days bad press and a load of truffle hounds for the EU, will you?

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  14. MarkyMark says:

    Did Trump tell Macron about France first? Macron has over stepped the line …. would be good to compare speeches.

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    • G.W.F. says:

      Macron and Trump have been too cosy since the Syria bombing. I am suspicious

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  15. Scroblene says:

    Mrs O’Blene and I had to go to the dentist today.

    They had a screen in the waiting room, whch was switched on to the BBC, and after a few minutes, we were baffled as to what trash we were having to listen to!

    What bollocks! Stupid thick ‘interviewers’ asking idiot questions – clearly devised by their under-managers, and never getting answers – which they’re paid to do!

    What a pathetic bunch of weirdos they are! They couldn’t put a girl guide’s sausage pantomime together if they tried.

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    • Jack M says:

      Thanks S, the best summary of BBC news and current affairs I can remember: “What bollocks! Stupid thick ‘interviewers’ asking idiot questions”.

      Predictable narrative, false concern, patronising twaddle.

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  16. taffman says:

    “Jeremy Corbyn has called on Theresa May to review her “cruel” immigration policy and abandon “bogus” targets, in response to the Windrush scandal.”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43891929
    I dont think they are listening ?
    We voted out of the EU because we were being swamped by immigrants.
    Housing, hospitals, schools in crisis etc …
    IMHO Boris is still after the Prim Minister’s Job and Al Beeb is still trying to reverse Brexit.
    Politicians, the Lords and the media are completely out of touch with people of Britain.

    There is nothing ‘cruel’ about the Australian immigration system.
    Remember this promise ……………
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/prime-minister-pledges-to-control-and-reduce-immigration

    And Mr Brown’s words in 2007 “British jobs for British workers”…………
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7097837.stm

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  17. Beeb Brother says:

    I hate how they cram their agenda into everything. An elderly woman on One Show is telling her story of being a computer programmer, breaking the glass ceiling etc.

    One swallow does not make a summer and one narrative does not prove a point. There are some female programmers but on average the job appeals to men. Equally some asylum seekers become engineers or footballers but many have somewhat different outcomes. The constant use of narrative over facts is so devious as you can get an individual narrative to show anything.

    Watching this woman on the One Show we are meant to think women long to become computer programmers but evil men are holding them back, which is of course total bollocks.

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  18. DownBoy says:

    This is a rhetorical question but has there ever been a more mendacious, slimy, sanctimonious, shallow, fake public figure than Tony Blair? Even leaving aside the ruination his policies have brought?
    As I say it is a rhetorical question so no responses are necessary.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Down
      I know no reply was sought but one has to remember that Blair and wife are both barristers . Sell your soul for the brief. I saw Blair speak when he was shadow Home sec and he was brilliant . Any good barrister would not be able to tell truth from lie and he carried that skill into his political career .

      He was a great politician but now he is unable to realise the monster he has become . Bubble living I suppose .

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    • MarkyMark says:

      Alister Cambell never lied …. ever …. ever …. *sigh*

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  19. Fedup2 says:

    Al beeb won’t report it so I will – Mandy Richards – you know -.the one from “ are you being served” has, sadly , not been endorsed as a labour candidate for some socialist one party state constituency -by their NEC.
    She’d have been so much fun being full on extreme. If only she’d give a press conference . That would be great popcorn.
    Before politics Mandy worked in a take away – hence the big chip.

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    • Sir_Arthur_Strebe-Grebling says:

      Sorry to contradict you but the bBBC has reported the news about this Labour nutter, hidden away under ‘Hereford & Worcester’. But they don’t tell us that she has cost us an estimated £500,000 in the 14 vexatious court cases she has brought, against – amongst others – MI5, MI6, Thames Water and Hackney Council. The High Court made 14 civil restraining orders banning her from taking further action without approval.
      Even playing the race card wasn’t sufficient for her to be retained as a Labour candidate. Perhaps she should have told them she hated Jews.
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43895858

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  20. StewGreen says:

    Petition
    Create a Freedom of Speech Act
    and Bring an End to “Hate Speech” laws
    37K
    and ONLY 1 WEEK to go
    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/203615

    318K signed the “3 Girls sara-rowbotham Petition”
    https://www.change.org/p/3-girls-sexual-health-worker-sara-rowbotham-to-be-recognised-for-her-services

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    • G says:

      SG,
      Surely it simply needs a repeal of the Hate Speech laws? (Or revolution……….)

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    • Demon says:

      I’m 34,624. I don’t know what happened to the other numbers if there was 37k earlier. Seems dodgy.

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  21. Foscari says:

    I was watching the ONE SHOW on the BBC this evening and
    one of the guest suggested that the new royal baby should be
    called Mohamed! In my opinion , although I expect Big Brother
    from the diversity department at the BBC would disagree , we
    should wait until the UK becomes part of the greater Caliphate
    in around four generations. Then a royal baby should then be
    called Mohamed and in time become Mohamed the First. King of
    England. That’s unless a girl is born . Yes Aisha the first may be
    more INCLUSIVE. The BBC could then start it’s morning programmes
    with the Fajjr. Now that would be inclusive. Food for thought BIG
    BROTHER of the diversity department..

    BBC.

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  22. Fedup2 says:

    As I’m abstaining from al beeb I could only guess as the coverage hippy Amber got in the HASC – Mrs Evette balls presiding – gave to Amber over windrush .
    It supports my view that the government and civil service is not the cleverest of organisations . Someone who was a permanent secretary is sitting in the House of Lords and is responsible for an unnecessary mess.
    How thick did they need to be ?

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    • taffman says:

      Fedup2
      Get rid of the House of Lords, Its undemocratic and a waste of money.
      Sign the petieion and tell your mates .

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Taff
        I have signed but don’t think my friends and colleagues in the Cabinet would be likely to sign it – particularly young Amber – who may need a rest home soon ….

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  23. Guest Who says:

    Weird, but hardly surprising.

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  24. StewGreen says:

    Trust cherrypicked “Experts” ?

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  25. taffman says:

    “UK car production slumps on poor demand”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43898505
    More anti Brexit propaganda?
    How about the uncertainty about buying a diesel, petrol or electric car?
    Or how about the uncertainty propaganda promulgated by the remainer media attempting to damage the UK’s economy?
    Dark forces are at work but Great Britain will prevail through .

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    • Guest Who says:

      Comment from the FT:

      “Jaguar Land Rover blames diesel slide for loss of 1,000 jobs”

      That’s kind of what happens when pols whiz about in their chauffeured Piouses and mutter about penalties for stunted moppets.

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  26. taffman says:

    “American meat is ‘safe for UK trade deal’, farmers say”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43899603
    More anti-brexit propaganda?
    Chlorinated water? Drinking water?
    They are not letting up – “the closer to the target the more the flak”
    There is a HYS running with one or two good comments posted.

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  27. StewGreen says:

    Macron saying “There is no planet B”
    : Your logical fallacy is False Dilemma
    It is not a binary choice between either Paris Accord vs Disaster

    Plus look at the maths of Paris
    an ardent Climate Alarmist would say it’s rubbish at reducing CO2
    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white

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    • Richard Pinder says:

      Macron saying “There is no planet B”

      I would say that “planet A” is the Paris Accord, and “There is no planet B” because “planet B” is a Hoax.

      Man-made Climate Change proven to be “planet B”

      Since 2009, many scientists have proven that Carbon Dioxide induced Climate Change is as President Trump has said “A Hoax”. In 2009 the scientist Gerhard Gerlich proved directly the “Falsification Of The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within The Frame Of Physics“. Further confirmation of the CO2 warming hoax was obtained through thermodynamics and successfully finding a formula that works for both of the carbon dioxide atmospheres of Venus and Mars, as well as all the other planetary atmospheres. In 2011, Ned Nikolov & Karl Zeller introduced the “Unified Theory of Climate” which proved that the temperature relationship with the altitudinal changes of pressure, prove that the physical nature of the so-called Greenhouse Effect is in fact a Pressure-induced Thermal Inertia which is independent of the atmospheric chemical composition. Ned Nikolov spoke at the London Climate Change Conference on Thursday, 8th September 2016 about this. By early 2018, the scientist who had just proven that Climate Change is caused by Galactic Cosmic Rays regulating the Earth’s Cloud Albedo, Professor Henrik Svensmark, was invited to speak in the Committee rooms of the Houses of Parliament on Tuesday, March 13, 2018. In fact, for two hundred years, Astronomers from William Herschel onwards had known about correlations between Climate Change and Sun Spot numbers, this was followed by more accurate correlations with Solar Cycle Length and then finally, the Hale Magnetic Solar Cycle. By 2018 it had been established that these correlations are caused by the speed of the centre of the Sun relative to the centre of mass or barycentre of the Solar System, which determines the length of the solar cycles, or more importantly the 22 year, Hale Magnetic Solar Cycle. This in turn is caused by the orbits and masses of the Planets, short Hale Magnetic Solar Cycles have higher Solar Magnetic activity due to the increase in the speed of plasma within the Sun. Between 1913 and 1996, only one of eight Solar Cycles was longer than the mean Solar Cycle length of 11.04 years, the last of these was the shortest Solar Cycle for more than 200 years, the strength of the Suns magnetic field more than doubled, the cosmic ray flux fell by 11 percent and there was a 8.6 percent reduction in clouds. This caused alarmism about Global Warming which lead the United Nations to set up the International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), but this organisation was corrupted by environmentalism, politics, conflicts of interest and the corruption of the scientific method, as well as the fact that amongst the 40,000 delegates at the 2015 Paris Summit of the UN Convention on Climate Change, Climate Scientists did not dominate the debates that produced the agreement. This lead many Climate scientists to call for the IPCC to be disbanded as well as to set up the 2016 London Climate Change Conference, which was dominated by Causational Climate scientists such as Atmospheric Physicists, Solar Astronomers and Meteorologists. This also resulted in US President, Donald Trump, to end US funding for the IPCC in 2017, and to say that man-made Climate Change is a “Hoax”. (or planet B)

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      • Guest Who says:

        Planet B exists. It is where the Ark bearing its name landed years ago, and from whence Lord Hall and minions broadcast 24/7 from their bath.

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      • G.W.F. says:

        Macron knows that Trump will revert back to the Paris agreement, just as he has reversed his decision to pull out of Syria, on which Macron has claimed to have influenced Trump.

        Methinks Trump is being sucked into the old politics.
        Where is Bannon these days?

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    • Old Goat says:

      But we don’t want to reduce CO2, if anything, it would be better for all life if it were to increase to levels which existed many years ago. CO2 is no demon, without it we’d be utterly screwed. It’s high time that the demonizing of this harmless trace gas ceased, and the scam taken apart. But we live in a world of groupthink, so that’s unlikely to occur in the near future. We will, in the interim, be reduced to weak, cold hungry dependents, by then, without the means to communicate with each other for fear of upsetting someone, the means to transport ourselves and goods, and the means to generate electricity.

      I hope, by that time, civil disturbances will have broken out, and the elite killed off.

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  28. Beeb Brother says:

    We need more funding for the NHS; someone said they liked Trump but here are some Tweets about how much you should hate him; you should recycle; Facebook will be questioned on foreign interference in the Brexit election.

    A standard day for the Grounhog Broadcasting Corporation. I managed two minutes before switching off.

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  29. DownBoy says:

    BBC indignant this morning that the Home Office have targets to remove illegal immigrants. The clue is in the word ‘illegal’. We taxpayers expect the government to apply the law. Beeb wouldn’t understand. They are totally fixated on their multiculti dream.

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  30. AsISeeIt says:

    Do the police have targets for the clear-up rate for burglary – or indeed for more serious crimes?

    Should they? Is it in some way morally dubious for them to set targets?

    I think probably not because I’ve heard the BBC getting excited about the rate of prosecutions for rape.

    And yet this morning I hear an editorial stance from the BBC that implies the Home Office was wrong to set targets for the deportation of illegal immigrants.

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    • StewGreen says:

      The targets are 100%
      – Remove 100% of ILLEGALS
      – Catch 100% of burglars

      Meanwhile if they HO/police falsely label people to catch a performance target then that is corruption.

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      • Kaiser says:

        the so called BBC have a TARGET of 50% female staff etc etc

        so are targets ok or are targets not ok im getting confused

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        • MarkyMark says:

          “By 2020, the BBC wants its employees to comprise 50% women, 8% disabled people, 8% lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender people and 15% people from black, Asian and ethnic minority backgrounds.{bbc.co.uk 14sep2017}”

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          • Lobster says:

            I think they also have a target to employ 100% pillocks – they’ve virtually achieved that.

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    • Ian Rushlow says:

      I mean, just suppose they had targets for the deportation of illegal immigrants. Why, then they would have to think about such things as: how many staff would be needed; how many holding facilities would need to exist; how many flights would need to be arranged; how much money would need to be allocated for legal fees, etc. Actual real planning! No, that would never do – too much hard work. Far better to leave everything to chance and hope that nothing happens and the problem goes away.

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  31. Third Duke says:

    DB. Just watched the fabulously focused Mssss Abbot being questioned about Corbynov’s view on anti-Semitism, to witness her immediately state the (usual) disgraceful default position of, “On the 25th Anniversary of the Stephen Lawrence murder, perhaps we should be thinking about . . .blah, blah”
    One agenda, one brain cell, zero intellect.
    This smug, inept, empowered, fool should do us all a favour and invest in one of those lovely numbers that lace up at the back. Lord, this woman is a waste of (lots) of space!

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  32. Al Shubtill says:

    Just listened to Matt Hand-cock gob his way through an interview with Robbo on Toady. It is quite amazing that this inarticulate; blathering oaf is a cabinet minister, yet also indicative of the type of folk Ma May seeks to surround herself.

    I do recall a debate when this clown was up against the Farage, on al Beebus when Handjob got taken to the cleaners – repeatedly; also Andrew Neil soundly duffed him up at some point too when interviewed.

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  33. Ian Rushlow says:

    BBC fails to declare its interest… again. One of the BBC’s favourite tricks is to report something without declaring that it may have an interest in the item. For instance, on the Arts & Entertainment page of their news (sic) website, it reports that Buzzfeed is partnering with Netflix to show a “journalism-orientated documentary series”. See http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-43892046

    Buzzfeed is essentially a web-based ‘news’ and entertainment organisation, which started off by identifying trends in social media and then turning them into and reporting on them as news. With time, it has added to its journalistic credentials, but is essentially associated with liberal trivia and obsessions (anti-Brexit, anti-Trump etc) and dumbing-down the news. Needless to say, the BBC saw it and decided ‘we want some of that’.

    In Spring 2014, a report commissioned by the BBC’s head of news came to the (pre-determined?) conclusion that ‘BBC News should learn lessons from Buzzfeed in digital strategy’. See https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/may/21/bbc-news-buzzfeed-digital-strategy-sir-howard-stringer

    The following year, as part of the BBC’s ‘Project Newstream’, journalists were explicitly told to emulate the Buzzfeed style. See https://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/bbc-told-to-emulate-buzzfeed-by-producing-informal-short-videos-where-reporter-acts-as-a-friend-a6723216.html

    Shortly thereafter, the BBC and Buzzfeed began collaborating together on specific projects, usually of the exposé variety. An early example is this:
    http://www.thedrum.com/news/2016/01/18/buzzfeed-and-bbc-work-together-expose-suspected-tennis-match-fixing

    This collaboration, whether formal or informal, continues to this day and Buzzfeed are often quoted as the source in many BBC website articles. It is therefore fair comment to say that Buzzfeed is a partner of the BBC and in the interests of transparency they should mention this when reporting on Buzzfeed in other contexts, such as this one.

    Why is this important? It is not just the declaration of possible interest. Although it has been striving to be a regular news outlet, Buzzfeed is widely regarded as a Fake News Outlet, comparable to the BBC and CNN. Netflix, although in the entertainment business, is highly regarded and it might be said that having a documentary series on it lends credibility and respectability to Buzzfeed and, by association, to the BBC.

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  34. Guest Who says:

    Shots fired off stage left.

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  35. MarkyMark says:

    Let me help Amber Rudd and Theresa May (this might be a fact crime) …. RUDD WRONG ABOUT MIGRANT REMOVAL TARGETS (2018) …. the BBC might want this information as well … possibly not … £3.5bn BBC Omission Service …

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    2012 … “Two and a half years ago, the coalition government was formed, and we made a clear promise to the British public. After thirteen years of uncontrolled mass immigration, this government would reduce and control immigration.” – Theresa May 2012

    2015 … “Because when immigration is too high (no figure given), when the pace of change is too fast, it’s impossible to build a cohesive society.” – Theresa May 2015

    p.s. I would comment on order-order.com but I was banned for having an opinion, no examples of why given.

    BBC Cannot … I repeat … cannot use the word ILLEGAL … (dreamer, undocumented, irregular)

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    • Old Goat says:

      Marky, post on Going Postal. Much greater readership (including ex Geedo contributors, like me), fewer dingbats, little or no censorship, and generally a jolly good crowd. We like your type of post, and hate the BBC…

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      • MarkyMark says:

        You are not allowed to hate … please wait near your keyboard for Amber Rudd and order-order.com to tell you what you can think. Rainbow car has been dispatched … nails will be painted … twerking will be forced upon you … your Hate is important to us.

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      • G.W.F. says:

        Old Goat
        Thank you. I have just bookmarked going postal. Now to inform other ex geedo contributors

        https://going-postal.com/

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        • Lobster says:

          Thanks for the tip Goat and G.W.F. I have all but given up on posting on Guido’s site – I’m sick of being moderated for even the most innocuous comments. It make the Guardian CIF look like a paragon of free speech.

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    • G says:

      MM,
      The misinformation continues apace. Just before 0900 on Toady, “our” Nick started an item of “news” by suggesting that the political parties are unanimous in proposing that an extra £50 billion be put into the NHS by 2030. First interviewee up spouted the well worn mantra of the demand on NHS services being caused by the, “ageing population”. Solely. No hint or whisper of the + 300,000 entering the UK to live every year. “Our” Nick, (lacking any objectivity as he does) allowed that glaringly lacking assertion to pass without challenge simply because to pursue it objectively would raise the taboo subject of immigration. That would conflict with the BBC’s policies. The way the BBC manipulates the news to reflect and or deflect inconvenient truths is shocking.
      Here’s a story of the ‘increased’ demand on the State by the baby boomers – https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/elder/10569760/NHS-care-at-home-for-elderly-and-disabled-quietly-slashed-by-a-third.html
      I like this one: “‘Baby boomer’ becoming ‘term of abuse’ used to sow division between generations, charities warn ….”
      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11808431/Myth-of-the-baby-boomers-how-post-war-generation-doesnt-have-it-so-good.html
      Next time I hear (or overhear) the expression, ‘baby boomers’ I’ll call the police and report it as a Hate Crime………………

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      • EnglandExpects says:

        I million illegal migrants don’t help either. How many pay tax and ni in other words have a national insurance number in order to pay for the NHS?

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      • tarien says:

        And what about the family of that evil Abu Hanser now in a USA jail- his family are being housed in a 1.2 million house and gievn, yes given £ 600.00 per week benefit!!!! Can we really equate this nonsence to any common sense. Why was this family not deported back to where the fathe came from irrespective of any legal rubbish concerning their human rights-the sins of this father and its consequences should be laid at the families door

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  36. tarien says:

    Greenwich Council- Stephen Lawrence Memorial = Granted
    Lee Rigby Memorial = Refused. Bloody rascism-the MP for that area should vehemently protest at such action being taken by this Council. I would suggest that the majority of the White Indig British are thoroughly disgusted by the way successive governments have deliberately underminded the future of white brits- no wonder many are leaving if not for the elusive Sun in the UK, but to escape the feeling of being second class in ones own country-the concern has moved away from the old steady roots of a nation to the subjugation by an alien ideology.

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  37. Fedup2 says:

    In the absence of consuming al beeb bias I thought I’d resort to YouTube and found a lot ( bunch ) of stuff by the late and sadly lamented Christopher Hutchins

    As I listened it dawned on me that there is nowhere on al beeb which does anything controversial or off message any more .

    It is sick but in some ways it is “lucky” that mr Hitchins is dead because his views on Islam would get him beheaded now.

    RIP hitch ( he didn’t believe in god at all you know)

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    • MarkyMark says:

      BBC Never cared about Christopher Hitchins (bbc search nothing returned)

      “…and don’t you worry. It’s coming to a place near you…we cannot have state subsidized preachers (or terrorists on welfare, or religious buildings, or foreign office giving away free Hijabs) …give it up or give it to your deadliest enemy and pay for the rope that will choke you.“

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  38. MarkyMark says:

    671 Days since UK voted Leave the EU (@52%) …. now in 26apr2018 … Brexit: MPs to debate decision to leave EU customs union {bbc.co.uk 26apr0218} … 671 Days!

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  39. MarkyMark says:

    Odd … BBC’s Crossing Divides does not mention that Iran are causing divides by releasing an emoji of hate … wouldn’t it be good to show what HATE looks like in Iran as sponsored by the Government?

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  40. MarkyMark says:

    Remember that country that wants to join the EU, took the Ford plant from the UK as sweet deal and is paid by the EU billions to keep the tide of mass immigration at bay …. Turkey Cumhuriyet trial: 13 newspaper staff convicted over coup {bbc.co.uk 26apr2018}

    …. it gets better, Islamic owned UK newspaper reports on UK loss of freedom …. comedy that writes itself for 2018 ….

    UK among worst in Western Europe for freedom of press after ‘staggering decline’, Reporters Without Borders index claims {independent 25apr2018}

    ‘The position marks a “staggering” decline for the UK of 18 places since the index began in 2002, RSF said.’

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  41. Halifax says:

    First we had the Windrush generation and now we have the Knifethrust generation….one we can talk about the other we can’t.

    Knife crime through the roof….

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    • MarkyMark says:

      order-order.com … comments are no longer required ….

      CRIME UP UNDER KHAN AND RUDD | LONDON KNIFE CRIME UP 21% {order-order.com}
      “This is getting beyond ridiculous on here. Guido puts up an article which features the Mayor of London, invites comments on said article but if posters use the Mayor’s name in said article the comments gets referred to the moderator.

      Why not just shut the comments down, Guido, and be done with it ?”

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      • G.W.F. says:

        I just cut and posted a sentence from Guido, adding ‘I agree’ and that was removed.

        Geedo is finished.

        Copied my rejected sentence here
        an hour ago
        Removed
        ‘The Met Police has released the latest year-on-year crime stats. They are not good reading for under pressure Sadiq Khan or beleaguered Amber Rudd…’ says Guido, and I agree

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  42. G.W.F. says:

    Certainly not up for discussion on Geedo but Amber Amber Rudd might like this. You can be done for posting your objection to the treatment of Alfie.

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  43. StewGreen says:

    April 6 Impartial response to Adonis

    As I explore working of #BrexitBroadcastingCorporation,
    I am amazed at its layer upon layer of management.
    There’s even an internal system of censorship above editors/lawyers,
    called ‘Editorial Policy,’ which vetoes output likely to offend government & Mr Farage

    BBC Hull’s Paul Murphy impartially replies

    BBC staff everywhere having a quiet giggle at this insane tweet.

    Murphy is gearing up for today’s BBC Look North, Radio Humberside big day of wind turbine promotion.

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  44. Englands Dreaming says:

    Not strictly BBC, but I suddenly realised that its all gone quiet on the Russian cyber attack. Following US/Fr and UK strikes on Syria the msm bombarded us with threats about a Russian cyber attack on our infrastructure including the hallowed NHS. What happened?

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  45. Thoughtful says:

    Biters Bitten !

    https://www.ald.org.uk/resources/savestagelighting

    You have raise a smile when the EU loving luvvies are bitten by the thing they love.

    It appears that new EU directives to force theatres to change their stage lighting to low energy sources is going to cost them so much money that many will simply not be able to afford it and will have to close.

    No theatres mean no jobs for the luvvies which will rattle through the whole rotten industry.

    The average small theatre will have about 300 stage lights, so it’s not just a simple case of replacing a few bulbs as in a domestic property, these things are much bigger and cost a lot of money.

    “The European Union (EU) is proposing, in its Eco-design Working Plan 2016-2019, to change the rules that govern the light sources used in theatrical productions. In effect, they want to bring the vast majority of quality theatre lights under the same rules that govern domestic and office and industrial lighting.”

    Of course leaving the EU should put paid to all this nonsense, but will we see a change in the Luvvies love of the EU, or will they resort to the usual double think to rationalise their impending doom away?

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    • Al Shubtill says:

      Why on earth should this nonsense be of any concern to us?
      We’re leaving, aren’t we?

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    • G says:

      Thoughtful,
      “Of course leaving the EU should put paid to all this nonsense, …..” Which means the luvvies will be stuck with it then as, acual ‘out’ vanishes by the day.

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    • Theresa says:

      “No theatres mean no jobs for the luvvies which will rattle through the whole rotten industry.”

      Stupid generalisation. Only a minority of the people employed by the theatre industry are “luvvies”, as people here childishly insist on calling them. Lost its wit years ago.

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      • Roland Deschain says:

        The luvvies will be able to afford it. It’s the amateurs who will get frozen out.

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    • Kaiser says:

      lol brilliant , its a fair bet all the luvvies are climate change freaks as well double lol

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    • Holly Selassie says:

      Maybe these theatres could all reopen as Remoaner Sanctuaries. So we could clear the leeches out of public life and let them cry in the dark, maybe shadow puppet theatre or something eco-conscious.

      And make them pay their own leccy, sell their one tickets and stop pimping off taxpayers for their virtuous wonga.

      We`d soon get a decent country back again-and the Remainiacs would only eat themselves as we got on with our lives.

      Yup-EU sanctuaries, where migrants could be housed and no Brexit bonuses allowed, so they`d have to stick to crap hairdryers, hoovers and lighting.
      EU theme parks, Swedish style living and Cologne New Years Eve could be every day for them.

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  46. Philip_2 says:

    Something to cheer us all up!

    Why the BBC are worried… 3.5 million people cancelled their TV license in the past four years! The BBC admit that in their 2018/19 Annual plan published in March – http:snipca.com/27425 – , the BBC admit it’s losing young viewers to Netflix. The BBC has lost the 16 to 24 year olds (their target audience for political correctness training) who now spend (prefer to spend) more time on Netflix in a week then they do with the whole of the BBC TV. (wow) On top of that – this months increase in the BBC TV license fee will deter even more viewers (the BBC TV license increased to £150.50p (from 1st April – the first rise since 2010) but that was BEFORE the ‘femme-rage’ wage bill doubled when they had to admit that female staff were paid a lot less than men doing the same job. So £300,000 broadcaster want some of that £600,000 plus ( basic rate paid to the men on radio 4 for starters). Why not a million each?

    Suddenly the license fee figures don’t work any more for the BBC, the iPlayer is forced to compete with commercial rivals such as YouTube, NetFlix and a dozen other more cost effective broadcasters, the BBC is still failing on content (falling audience figures), huge inflated salaries for its its vanity *stars* are starting to leave the sinking ship – for the big bucks on commercial TV that is if they can (most BBC employees are unemployable outside the BBC as being left of everything). This advert was found in the lifestyle section of THE TIMES. Book you place now for BBC nostalgia and lifestyle of the super rich BBC exec (actually White City is a pretty ropey place to stay so expect community housing with single channel TV and Radio to feature strongly!

    http://www.boutiquehotelier.com/first-look-new-soho-house-showstopper-former-bbc-london-headquarters/

    and as it was left (before BBC moved to Manchester)!
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2295735/End-era-Inside-whats-left-BBC-Television-Centre-doors-close-time-staff-London.html

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Phillip
      You ,must win the ‘best post of the day’ award – best al Beeb news I have heard for a while. They’ll want to put the tax more so even more people will refuse to pay it I hope.

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    • Holly Selassie says:

      Oh joy of joys.
      I`m now one of the “3.5 Million”!
      Finally we`re in a social movement I`ll be proud to tell our kids about.

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  47. ChrisMorrison says:

    Remember the Russian lawyer who met Donald Trump Jr for 15 minutes at Trump Tower in June 2016. Remember how the brave BBC led second hand the New York Times story that Trump’s son was told that material on the Clinton campaign offered by a Russian lawyer was part of Moscow’s effort to help his father’s election campaign.

    Well even special counsel Robert Mueller doesn’t seem to believe this load of old toffee. The lawyer in question Natalia Veselnitskaya recently revealed that she had not even been contacted by the year-long political probe.

    Since Trump was elected, the BBC and most other mainstream press have misled the public about the Democrat smear that the Trump campaign actively colluded with the Russians to win the US presidential election. No convincing evidence to back up collusion has ever been produced and it is clear that the whole affair is really an attempt by the failed Clinton campaign to overturn the presidential vote. The Mueller probe, meanwhile, seems to have moved on and in the cause of bringing the President down has widened its enquiries to his business dealings.

    The BBC has always been nicely on board the “Russians wot won it” campaign. When the Trump Tower story first broke, the BBC noted that “it is thought to be the first confirmed private meeting between a Russian national and members of President Trump’s inner circle” – a weasel form of words that of course means everything (nudge, nudge) and nothing. At the time Anthony Zurcher, a corporation US reporter, described the situation for Trump Jr as “grim”. According to Zurcher: “The pattern has been set. The New York Times runs a story, Trump Jr issues his response, then the noose tightens”.

    Yep folks, that’s the way fake news works.

    And the BBC is a master at the game. Spend weeks, even years, peppering the target with barely concealed allegations of illegality. Then do a Zurcher. Writing about the allegations of collusion with Russians he expressed surprise that the Trump campaign denied the charges. “At the time the assertions appeared unexpected and unnecessary. That’s not so much the case anymore”.

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    • Al Shubtill says:

      The Mueller probe was never set up to investigate a crime, it was created to look for crimes; that’s why its remit is so wide ranging.

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  48. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Seen the line up for question time tonight?

    It’s the usual tried and tested 4 remainers and 1 leaver (who is that rarity, a right wing comedian, and a good one at that)

    Far Left Abbott (FLAbbott) will be entertaining us with her breathy mathematical genius.
    The specially selected audience can be relied on to virtue signal at every opportunity and all controlled by the even handed, unbiased, impartial Dumbledore.

    You can get warmed up (and blood pressured up) by watching The Pledge first on sky where apart from Carole Malone and Michelle Dewbury the likes of Hirsch and Sarpong will come out with total shite for the hour long show.

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    • BRISSLES says:

      I’ve often wondered what the point of Sarpong is. Her intellect is only suitable for Childrens tv, but because she’s written a book and has an OBE (?) its warranted an all access pass to serious debate. Her contributions on the Pledge amount to continual ‘nodding’ with a few yesses, and its clear from Dewbury’s disdainful looks that she doesn’t think highly of Sarpong or Hirsch.

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      • StewGreen says:

        That’s the same Dewberry that said last week
        … “Really ? Oh I never knew that Britain had had any troops on the ground in Syria!”
        That was a week after everyone else had heard about the special Forces guy getting killed.

        I’m guessing that since Sapong is pretty, she was recruited on the casting couch.

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