Start the Week Open Thread 22 October 2018

The Far Left BBC quickly buried the conviction of “the Huddersfield 20 Muslim racist paedophiles” and as it does – moved quickly on . How will the BBC perform regarding the political show trial of Tommy Robinson on Tuesday ? You can bet the Muslim paedo racist gang which is the cause of TRs   brush with the law won’t feature much in this crooked country but his past will be used as the usual weapon?

With a 158 days until Brexit the remainers will be marching every weekend or looking for jobs with tax avoiders like Facebook .

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740 Responses to Start the Week Open Thread 22 October 2018

  1. JimS says:

    Watching the news the other morning and seeing the female newsreader pass to the female reporter talking to the female politician and then to the female weather reporter I wondered how we ever got to this state of so many over-promoted incompetent females running politics, police and fire services, journalism and other positions of authority?

    Now I have no dislike of women per se but quite frankly if this is the best the female sex can offer it would be best if they didn’t!

    Could it be the natural respect that men have for the mother that has caused men to be silent? As Jordan Peterson has said, a man knows that if he goes too far another man will hit him, so he knows there are limits. A gentleman knows not to hit a woman so she knows there are no limits and conseqently she can go out of control.

    As a result we now have all these useless women in command, surrounded by man-children being bossed by their ‘mothers’. Secretly these women, as demonstrated by the success of 5o Shades of Grey long to be dominated, which is why they bend the knee to Islam.

    Western civilisation came from the brains and blood of men but now they have given control back to their ‘mothers’ who in turn will give control to the barbarians. The aberration that was enlightened Western man will be gone and we will be in a permanent dark age of degeneration.

    As a child I aspired to grow up to follow the example of my father, I didn’t expect to ruled forever by ‘my mother’. Maybe it is the Toynbee-approved father-less ‘family that has led us to the dire state that our civilisation is in?

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    • taffman says:

      Jim
      Al Beeb is the is the main exponent of the feminatzi. What happens to women if their men are not able to protect them ?

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    • G says:

      Jim,
      “…..Western civilisation came from the brains and blood of men but now they have given control back to their ‘mothers’ who in turn will give control to the barbarians.” Eg Sweden?

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  2. taffman says:

    Retiring?
    They will be preparing a seat for him ready to take his place in the House of Lords as his reward for ‘Brino’.

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  3. taffman says:

    I see from Al Beeb that they are under fire again for un equal pay. I also see that President Trump is having a go at the Swamp again. I can not see any report about the London police stabbing?
    I would suggest that Al Beeb’s viewer figures are dropping like a lead balloon?
    The independent broadcasters are first with the reporting of breaking news, is this because Al Beeb’s censor has to scrutinise it first?

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    • Guest Who says:

      Here is the headless chicken monster’s take on, er, the headless chicken monster….

      ****

      BBC criticised

      Women at the BBC are still being paid “far less” than men for comparable jobs, a report by the Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee says. Its inquiry was sparked by presenter Carrie Gracie, who accused the corporation of pay discrimination. The committee said the BBC must introduce “a more transparent” pay structure to restore its reputation and win back the trust of staff. BBC Women, a group representing female journalists and producers, threw its weight behind the conclusions.

      The BBC said much of the report was out of date and its gender pay gap was among the smallest in the media sphere. But it acknowledged there was more to do. BBC media editor Amol Rajan said that while the report has no legislative implications, the strength and depth of the criticism is striking.

      ****

      When the bbc talks about itself like this, it is like those movies when a departing soul looks down at its corpse.

      Still, their CPR is working its magic.

      https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/how-long-before-every-hour-is-womans-hour-on-bbc-radio/?

      Allegedly. Clear!

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      • thirdoption says:

        The key word here GW is “comparable”.

        If they were doing the same job as men, to the same standard, then no-one would question their right to equal pay.

        Unfortunately, “comparable” means anything but equal. In the case of the Birmingham dinner ladies in 2012, they won their case against the council because their job was considered to be equivalent to the job of janitor which was a role filled by men.
        Not a single woman applied to be janitor, the job was physically much more demanding and called for longer, and sometimes unsociable hours and, unbelievably, men were not allowed to apply to be dinner ladies.

        None of this mattered of course and similarly, the BBC will throw shed loads of money at woman who simply do not deserve it.

        #MeToo.

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        • Guest Who says:

          The bbc loves its variable ratings. Look at Mishal’s death chart.

          ‘Comparable’, ‘relative’, ‘proportionate’…

          All infinitely adjustable, along with censorship in the edit suite, to push whatever they fancy.

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  4. Celtic_Mist says:

    I wondered if the BBC would report on the opening remarks from Trump at his Rally in Mosinee last night.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45973436

    Surprisingly they have done so but unsurprisingly they took the opportunity to, as Trump would say: ‘do a number on him’. They write, “The president’s critics called his latest remarks hypocritical, as he often uses vicious language against his opponents and the press.”

    The adjective ‘vicious’ to describe Trump’s language at these rallies is a gross misrepresentation because, as anyone who watches can observe, Trump’s ‘performance’ is similar that of a comedian who makes fun of political figures, but the BBC has lost its sense of humor long ago.

    Then they insert a link to perhaps give the wrong impression-

    //Trump Jr letter: ‘You get what you deserve’//

    The link is worth following because it refers to an attack on the Trump family in Feb 2018 but I believe the BBC are hoping people won’t actually click on it.

    Words and presentation do matter and the BiasedBBC are masters of subtly (in a clever and indirect way, in order to achieve something) inserting their own propaganda.

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  5. Celtic_Mist says:

    The BBC have buried their own version of a ‘White house Statement’ in their Twitter feed together with a link to their propaganda-


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    • Guest Who says:

      Morning emoan:

      ****
      ‘More civility’

      Six suspected explosive devices are now known to have been sent to high-profile US figures. They include Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, former CIA Director John Brennan and financier George Soros. The FBI has launched a hunt for their sender. None of the pipe bombs exploded, but the developments have pushed up the temperature further in the already overheated world of American politics.

      Why is this so political? Because all the apparent targets are regularly criticised by conservatives – especially by the president. Donald Trump called on Wednesday for more civility in politics, but his critics say that’s hypocritical, given the aggressive language he often uses against his opponents and the press.

      ****

      It’s all there, including ‘critics are saying’. Katty may even be moved to pen a full paragraph, maybe from a ‘source’, who ‘says’….

      https://pjmedia.com/video/former-clinton-staffer-blames-trump-for-clinton-obama-attempted-bombings/?

      This notion you can’t comment on deranged behaviour in case it inspires more deranged behaviour is just the latest lunacy of the left.

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      • Kaiser says:

        just how easy is it to get hold of those addresses?

        do I just address parcels to

        The former CIA director Mr Brennan
        The Evil one Mr G Soros
        Lying Hillary

        and hope they get delivered
        or is it an inside job

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        • thirdoption says:

          Just in case the postman struggles with “Lying Hillary” you could also add “Sexual predator and impeached former POTUS Bill”.

          Hopefully that would remove any doubt.

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      • Rich says:

        Just to pick up on your last point Guest.

        “just the latest lunacy of the left”

        Isn’t that what the bBBC, the rest of the msm, the security services, the majority of our public representatives and the government as a whole have been doing with regards to any debate around the crimes committed in the name of Islam and by Muslims for years now?

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      • Emmanuel Goldstein says:

        No bombs went off and all were safely found before getting to the person.
        A leftie plotter would think this was a good way to get sympathy for those ‘targetted’ and to smear the right.
        Did the left do this?
        Conspiracy theory or not?

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        • Ian Rushlow says:

          Aside from the ‘who benefits?’ argument, this case shares another characteristic with false flag operations: a spelling mistake. In this case, the packages list Debbie Wasserman Schultz, former chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, as sender, but her name is misspelt. Beginning in the 1970s, there were a number of incidents in US universities in which leftist professors and teachers were supposedly attacked for their liberal views. Invariably, the ‘attacker’ would leave a message, sometimes carved on the ‘victim’, along the lines of ‘Niger lover’ or similar. This reflects a leftist prejudice that what it calls The Right are always ignorant and stupid. All of these cases were subsequently found to be false, sometimes self-inflicted. However, the tradition of using spelling mistakes or illiteracy by the left or the deep state in false flag operations remains to this day, as a trawl of such incidents over the years will show. It’s almost as though the technique is codified in the handbooks…
          Of course, this proves nothing as the jury is still out, but it is an interesting observation.

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          • Rob in Cheshire says:

            Ian:

            Like you, I strongly suspect a “false flag” here.

            It is rather suspicious that eight remarkably unviable, non-exploding bombs have been sent to prominent leftists.

            I think anyone with a brain would know that parcels sent to the likes of Bill & Hillary Clinton, Barrack Obama and George Soros are not going to be opened by the addressee at their breakfast table. These people all have heavy security. The Clintons and Obama will be protected by the Secret Service for the rest of their lives, and Soros can afford the very best.

            So who gains by sending non-exploding “bombs” to prominent leftists, who anyone could guess would never actually receive them personally?

            It’s hard to guess, but while the MSM thinks about it, let’s remind viewers about President Trump’s attacks on the MSM and his opponents shall we?

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    • Guest Who says:

      Sky does civility.

      However, #CCBGB

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      • Guest Who says:

        Ditto.

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        • G says:

          GW,
          Almost always a line-up that wouldn’t turn my head (it is ok to say this?). Usually the case so perhaps there’s a message there?

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        • Thatcherrevolutionary says:

          Inner ugliness of leftwing thought eventually expresses itself on the exterior.

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      • montmorency says:

        Hmmn. Hmmmn. Sky’s Greg Milam says that the 63 million that voted for Trump certainly dislike the same people. And that’s just in the US. If the Rest of the World had an enemies list, the people who were sent mail bombs in recent days would feature highly. That’s before Greg says that a few fireworks in the post is a gesture worth flinging in to the Midterms, just in case the images of the human shield of women and children being chivvied up to the Mexico/US border doesn’t swing it.

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        • Guest Who says:

          Greg, the bbc, the MSM are really dicking things up to try and impress their little bubble.

          I now disbelieve any claim they put out by default. That is sort of ok, as I then try and find out what is going on. However many will not.

          So what we get is an environment where some believe anything and some don’t.

          And that serves the cause of actually holding power to account* not one jot.

          Trump could sing Springtime for Hitler on the WH lawn and if the bbc carried it I would be rewatching ‘Rising Sun’ before Katty retweets it.

          *From which the bbc exempts itself, with the connivance of ofcom, DCMS and parliamentary committees rammed with ex Beeboids.

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        • Guest Who says:

          And, as if by magic, Amol is citing Ch4 using all the right trigger words:

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    • StewGreen says:

      Celtic_Mist
      You’ve got a missing graphic and this time I can’t tell from the coding, what it is supposed to be.

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  6. Guest Who says:

    Two stories from overnight pertinent to current credibility BBC death spiral:

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/10/24/gore-admits-the-the-ipcc-climate-report-was-torqued-up-to-get-attention/

    And the willing ‘attention’ of the national propaganda pr as news system.

    https://www.journalism.co.uk/news/when-did-you-last-talk-to-someone-with-different-views-than-yours-/s2/a729388/

    Don’t be silly. The BBC ‘talks’ to people like the BIJ, who ‘talk’ to sources. Allegedly.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Toady
      Comrade McDonald is going to announce a new money tree this morning . Humph had a chat – to hideously white old men talking.

      Apparently McDonald looks beaten up after “ falling on his face” and his new laugh which comrades have trained him to do. It was strange because he s didn’t blame president trump .

      Humph gave him a free ride and a yawn set in . If only Toady could become Today again .

      If a reprisal pipe bomb arrives at the White House guess the democrat allegations ….

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  7. Guest Who says:

    Going to have to look this one up first…

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    • Rich says:

      Guest,

      Don’t bother. Just the usual bullshit.

      Her father is white, her mother is a writer, she’s been acting since she was four, she is gay, she went to a private school and she attended her high school prom with Will Smith’s son. Who wore a dress.

      But she is in no way privileged. No, not at all. The thing is that teenagers don’t even listen to these f#%@wits anymore.

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  8. Guest Who says:

    Shuckman en route to a South American eco lodge as we speak.

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  9. MarkyMark says:

    Once they REMOVE HATE, there will ONLY BE LOVE.

    You will LOVE the police .. not Hate them.
    You will LOVE the Government .. not Hate them.
    You will LOVE all religions .. not Hate them.
    You will LOVE all Islamists .. not Hate them.
    You will LOVE all Halal .. not Haram it.
    You will LOVE all BBC .. not Hate them.
    You will LOVE all Theresa May .. not Hate her.
    You will LOVE all cultures .. not Hate them.
    You not HATE ** .. or be arrested and removed from your job.

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    “In addition to reporting hate crime, please report non-crime hate incidents, **which can include things like offensive or insulting comments, online, in person or in writing**. Hate will not be tolerated in South Yorkshire. Report it and put a stop to it #HateHurtsSY” – UK South Yorkshire Police, 2018

    ** swap HATE for CRITICISE and you can see where this is going.

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    • Guest Who says:

      Farcical. And much on Treezer’s watch.

      She showed her colours early when, as HomSec, she ‘resolved’ threats of physical violence by activist groups by bowing to their demands and denying entry to speak to those they were opposed.

      A legacy of ‘leadership’ to be proud of. Not.

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  10. Cassandra says:

    I’ve just discovered the BBC 2018 Guidelines on 50 / 50 gender quotas that it is now imposing on its viewers and listeners.

    .

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  11. MarkyMark says:

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  12. Guest Who says:

    Lost me about….

    ****

    Annual report on the BBC
    https://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv-radio-and-on-demand/information-for-industry/bbc-operating-framework/performance/bbc-annual-report

    Ofcom has today published its annual report on the BBC.

    The report assesses how the BBC is performing against a backdrop of significant change in the media landscape. It finds that, while the BBC is generally delivering its remit for audiences, with whom satisfaction is relatively high…

    ****
    ….there.

    Even ofcom hiding behind ‘generally’ and ‘relatively’. No thought to ‘audiences’ no longer satisfied and watching, legally, other platforms?

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Guest
      I think you’ll find -in the archives here- that somebody did an analysis of ofcom and found that half are ex al beeb employees on their beeb pension so it’s a nice little earner and no real criticism of change can ever come as a result of ofcom activity .

      Just another swamp Merry – go round ,

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  13. Guest Who says:

    The latest ‘media masters’ podcast:

    http://www.mediamasters.fm/mark-williams-thomas/

    ***
    Mark Williams-Thomas
    Investigative Reporter

    Mark Williams-Thomas is a multi award-winning investigative reporter. After a 12-year career with Surrey Police, he became an advisor for television crime dramas, and got his first on-screen presenting job while organising a sting on a German paedophile in 2008 for ITV’s Tonight programme. He has since reported on a number of major investigations, including the murder of Tia Sharp and the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. In this in-depth interview, he discusses his involvement with the Savile investigation – and how the existence of celebrity “untouchables” means there may be more to come.
    ****

    Possibly one the bbc will be less keen to promote.

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  14. MarkyMark says:

    Type of complaint: General BBC
    Complaint category: Factual error or inaccuracy

    Complaint title: BBC never ask for itemised EU £39bn Divorce Bill

    Complaint description:

    Dear Winston Smith who works hard in the BBC memory hole department,

    I have never heard once on the BBC news or online website, one of your £3.5bn worth journalists ask for an itemised EU £39 billion divorce bill.

    Not once. I might be wrong and the BBC can find me an example but never have I heard a top BBC trained journalist whose wages are paid under threat of prison ask an MEP or Government Official the following …

    “When the European Union asks for £39 billion, see Juncker’s remarks saying thanks for the sacrifice of WWI and WWII but you have to pay the bill, why has no one asked for an itemised divorce (27 wives?) bill for the £39 billion – each item that the UK is paying for rounded to the nearest £1000. Where is the itemised EU Divorce of 27 wives £39 billion bill?”

    Cheers,

    . . . .

    Your complaint has been submitted

    Thanks for completing this form – we’re sorry you needed to complain. We’ll normally acknowledge your complaint shortly and reply as soon as we can.

    The text of your complaint will be circulated tomorrow morning in our overnight report to producers and managers (with any personal details removed). This is one of the most widely read reports in the BBC and ensures your complaint reaches the right people quickly, including senior management. All comments, appreciations and complaints we receive help to inform our editorial discussions.

    To read our full complaints procedure please visit ‘What happens to your complaint’. Your personal information will be treated in accordance with the Data Protection legislation – for more information visit the BBC’s Privacy and Cookies Policy.

    BBC Audience Services
    https://ssl.bbc.co.uk/complaints

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  15. MarkyMark says:

    The government has no money of its own. It’s all your money.

    Margaret Thatcher

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  16. StewGreen says:

    Not BBC, but our local Scunthorpe paper
    pg 9 Ramraid at COOP ..
    The stories are written by monkeys or bot programs operating a template 80 miles away in Leicester, so the story has a street name , but you get way into it before you find its not in town but in a village.
    and happened 2am Friday 19th
    Then turn over page to
    page 11 – Masked men raid store, 2am Thursday 18th
    … This time they do give the name of the village
    It’s the same village.
    In fact if you are local, you know the two shops are virtually across the road from each other
    The ‘reporter’ (bot program ?) far away doesn’t seem to know this.

    Why put them on separate pages instead of making a connection ?

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  17. Guest Who says:

    Kamal and Becks pair up for a bbc ‘Strictly Balls’ special:

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  18. pugnazious says:

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    Bombs sent to leftwing politicians and news organisations and it is Trump’s fault because he highlights and criticises the media’s attacks on him. What is ironic is the Left’s reaction…to further ratchet up the anti-Trump rhetoric, blaming Trump for the bombs and by their own logic making him and Republicans targets for leftwing ‘counter-attacks’. No recognition that the bombs, if sent by a rightwinger, were the result of their own behaviour and nothing to do with Trump. Trump quite rightly confronts and calls to account his very vocal and rhetorically violent opponents who in many cases encourage and incite actual violence against Republican politicians and supporters.

    Rap Sheet: ***613** Acts of Media-Approved Violence and Harassment Against Trump Supporters

    The bombs could of course be a pre-mid-term election stunt by the Left but the BBC et al have already decided just as they declared that the Boston bombing was the work of white supremacists.

    Even before Trump was elected an attempt was made to assassinate him, by a Brit…undoubtedly one who got his news from the hysterically anti-Trump BBC which demonises and dehumanises Trump portraying him as a nazi, a racist, an islamophobe, a misogynist and a Russian puppet.

    Here is the BBC’s Paul Wood in the Spectator giving licence to the idea that it might be the thing to do to kill Trump….

    Will Donald Trump be assassinated, ousted in a coup or just impeached?

    Paul Wood still ‘BBC’ when ‘off-ranch’ as Andrew Neil demonstrates…

    This is also the BBC journo who wrote this…remember Christopher Steele? MI5 agent who concocted the dodgy Trump Dossier…the sources for which were…er…Russian intelligence officers…

    ‘ In defence of Christopher Steele’

    If that doesn’t tell us where the BBC comes from not sure what will.

    Funny how the BBC gives us only a very one-sided view of the politics and who might be to ‘blame’ for violence…and are also trying to frame this as race-based making an issue of the fact that two of the people targeted were ‘African-Americans’ as the BBC put it.

    There have been endless calls for Trump to be assassinated from celebrities’, including British ones, with many images intended to put the idea into someone’s head….whipping up hate, hysteria and violent reactions…

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    Even a Play visuallising Trump’s murder…

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    This was originally in the Huffington Post before being pulled…a call for Trump’s execution..

    Impeachment Is No Longer Enough; Donald Trump Must Face Justice
    ‘Donald Trump must be prosecuted for treason and — if convicted in a court of law — executed.’

    What about Maxine Waters? She has urged anti-Republican forces to ‘turn on them, absolutely harass them’…..’no peace, no sleep!! If you see anyone from that cabinet…if you see them get out and create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere.’

    If that’s not a call for violence and intimidation of Republican politicians what is?

    Remember the package of white powder sent to Trump’s son, or Madonna’s call to bomb the White House or the endless calls to kill Trump….or this fact about the Left’s stormtroopers paid for by Soros [the ‘liberal philanthropist’ as the BBC calls him]….

    Antifa: US security agencies label group ‘domestic terrorists’

    The BBC’s narrative is all about Trump and his criticism of the media, 90% of which is almost violently opposed to him…this BBC narrative is itself an example of that anti-Trump rhetoric that seeks to demonise Trump and portray him in a way that encourages people to think it might be OK to kill Trump…he’s such a bad man.

    The BBC, and media organisations like it, that create hate towards white men, Christians, rightwing polticians and policies, Western foreign policy, British history, culture, society and identity, that stirs up hate between young and old, that generates anger and discontent about Brexit, that defends Muslim terrorism and promotes Islamists as future Churchillian, Ghandi, Mandela-like figures, whilst demonising the critics of Islamism, that also relentlessly attacks other media organisations on the Right like the Mail or anything run by Murdoch, that puts metaphorical ‘yellow stars’ on people who don’t agree to wear the pro-LGBT badges the BBC tries to force upon its employess, thus stigmatising those who don’t wear them as ‘not pro-LGBT’.

    The BBC charged with creating and maintaining a civil society, cohesion and citizenship does the exact opposite generating instead, hate, anger, division and violence.

    The BBC is the real danger to British society.

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    • JimS says:

      I think these are all examples of the feminisation of society.

      The schoolboy bully may well have a gang of supporters but they usually just watch as the bully pushes over the weakling. One day the weakling pushes back and thumps the bully and everyone is friends.

      The boys know the line and the dangers of crossing it.

      The schoolgirl bully also has a gang. The weakling might not be physically assaulted but will certainly be verbally attacked and the gang will join in. The weakling is forever socially excluded and never re-joins the group.

      Isn’t this exactly the behaviour that the media practices and the way the ‘Twitter Storm’ works?

      The female Obama shouts at North Korea and gets her girlfriends May, Merkel etc. to join in. The male Trump says to the male North Korea, “You think you will punch me in the stomach? Well I will smash your head in!” The boys see that there is a line beyond which there will be extreme consequences, they consider, they back off. The challenge has been made and met, honour is saved, friendships are formed. The female approach leads to eternal cat-calling, where enemies will always be enemies and differences will never be resolved as each female ‘is always right’, (the BBC motto!).

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    • john in cheshire says:

      I believe these fake bombs were sent by the demonrats to themselves. But we’ll probably never know the truth.

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      • G.W.F. says:

        Were the fake bombs sent out by far right opponents of liberal politicians and the left wing media or were they sent out by the left?

        Either way, no one thought that the beauties in the BBC are worth drawing into this matter.

        Viewed from the left or the right, the BBC has no more significance than a sixth form girls magazine

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  19. MarkyMark says:

    “London chose me as their mayor, not just an ethnic minority, not just a religious minority, BUT a Londoner of Islamic faith.

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    “Everything before the word but is horse shit”

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    • Anne says:

      “London chose me as their mayor”

      56.8% of a 45.3% turnout.

      Brexit: 51.89% of a 72.21% turnout.

      Perhaps their choice of mayor was just advisory.

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    • pugnazious says:

      He’s so islamophobic that Khan bloke…always raising the Islam thingy. Oh no, that was Zac Goldsmith…who never actually criticised Khan for being ‘Muslim’ but for standing repeatedly on the same platform as radical Islamists. Apparently Goldsmith is an islamophobe…the BBC still labels him thus. Khan did in fact campaign ‘as a Muslim’ so it would have been perfectly justifiable to question his beliefs…just not politically wise as the BBC et al, as seen, will demonise you as a racist.

      Khan is a liar anyway…remember his attack on Boris for the burkha comments? How soon Khan forgot his own words…

      “There is a question to be asked about what is going on in those homes. What’s insidious is if people are starting to think it is appropriate to treat women differently or that it has been forced on them. What worries me is children being forced to adopt a lifestyle.”

      Hmmm..‘insidious’ , ‘treating women differently’, ‘forcing kids to adopt a lifestyle’…what ‘lifestyle’ would that be eh? Such an islamophobe that bloke Khan.

      Warsi of course is just as duplicitous saying this about Boris’ comments…

      ‘‘His words signalled something else…that you don’t belong here.’ ‘

      But had previously said the burkha was not British and had no purpose…

      ‘She did not ‘know what its purpose is in terms of British Islam’. According to The Times, she said the veil was not a ‘British manifestation’’ So burqa clad woman not belong in Britain? ‘

      However, politically expedient no doubt, she previously to that previous comment said this….

      ‘Baroness Warsi, the first female Muslim Cabinet minister, fiercely defended women’s right to “choose” to wear it.
      She said: “Just because a woman wears the burka, it doesn’t mean she can’t engage in everyday life. If women don’t have a choice they are oppressed.”‘

      Mein Kampf…..”the new Koran of faith and war: turgid, verbose, shapeless, but pregnant with its message.”

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    • john in cheshire says:

      The dwarfish muslim mayor of London can live in London until the cows come home but he’ll never be a Londoner.

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  20. StewGreen says:

    Beeboid views from the presenter of R4 Making History ?
    #metroLib hatey bubbleworld

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Pug
      The problem is that the Far Left BBC wants a different ‘British society ‘ to the one indigenous white judeo Christians have beeb living in for many generations

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    • pugnazious says:

      Don’t believe a word that Tom Holland says…he once claimed that the ‘Islamic State’ was based upon Islam…I mean seriously? What a fool, what an islamophobe creating hate, division ,fear, marginalisation and alienation!!!

         20 likes

  21. StewGreen says:

    Is this the Guy Verhofstadt parody account, difficult to tell isn’t it ?

       26 likes

    • gb123 says:

      Time to send the real Guy Verhoftwat a box of Stinking Bishop to cover the smell of the stuff that comes out of his mouth!

         13 likes

  22. StewGreen says:

    Radio listening figures fell
    Under Chris Evans they were falling
    His show down to 8.8m from 9.5
    R2 total reach down to 14.6m from 15.4m
    “Reach” is a BS fig cos it includes people who listened for just 10 mins

    R5 breaky rose by 254K, ie a fraction of those fleeing R4 and R2 (to a total of about 3m)
    I won’t post any links
    cos all the stories were PR BS
    No one is truly interested in stating actual listening minutes.

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    • scribblingscribe says:

      What intregues me is how BBC’s radio4 news program Today has lost a million listeners in a year. In a year!

      Where the hell of they gone? There isnt any comeptition whatsoever for the news on radio. people have just had a guts full and slung their hook.

         32 likes

      • fakenewswatcher says:

        The odd good program still to be found on R4, but most likely some appeal to ‘hear the voices’ of blacks or women. Endlessly. Quality out. Political correctness in.
        If the content is quality, I don’t mind if the presenter/s are ethnic or female. But when it’s a quota thing with nothing going for it or a drone on about equality or diversity, no thanks.
        Endlessly…gets boring. Off switch.

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  23. G says:

    What is noticeable to me is the speed in which the enemies of the public are revealing themselves. They no longer, thanks to ‘Hate Speech’, show any fear of condemnation. Armies without and within. I recall years ago, on this site, referring to the Western World splitting off, now rapidly, into a 50/50 confrontation. Yes, friends, it can only end one way as the leftist Marxists ramp up their efforts. At least within the civil wars that are destined between Far Left and the responsible Right, we can all look back on the EU and one common description that, it has deterred wars in Europe. You will be able to reflect on that lie when, finally, islam is confronted in Europe. All the signs are there. The islam that our, “leaders” have condoned and encouraged. Still hope the lamppost punishment is meted out to those deserving souls within my time: the list grows long…………

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  24. Tabs says:

    Suspect package ‘found at De Niro restaurant’
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45975447

    If linked to previous packages, this would be the eighth explosive device sent to a perceived critic of President Trump.

    How come the BBC are quick to find a tenuous link that all the package recipients are critics of Trump but they always fail to find a bleeding obvious link to Muslim terrorism and Muslim grooming gangs?

       57 likes

    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      The fact that a non-exploding bomb has now been sent to Robert de Niro leads me to feel even more that this is a false flag operation.

      From the photos I have seen of these parcels, the stamps do not seem to have been franked. Also, they have six 50 cent stamps on, when the postage for a parcel is $3.50, so it looks as if these non-exploding bombs were hand delivered.

      I think a group of leftists is behind this. I cannot imagine why even the most deranged right winger would think it was a good idea to send non-exploding bombs to leftists just before the mid-term elections.

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  25. MarkyMark says:

    Chuka Umunna MP, Streatham (tax payer pays him £77K per year) is being paid £65,040 a year Advisory Position at Global Progress (London) Ltd …

    I found this about the Global Progress director (if me search is correct)….

    Matt Browne
    Senior Fellow
    View bio on CAP Action
    Expertise: Europe, Western Hemisphere, Australasia, international economics, trans-Atlantic relations

    Matt Browne is a senior fellow at American Progress, working on building trans-Atlantic and international progressive networks and studying trans-Atlantic policy issues.

    Previously, Browne was director of public affairs in APCO Worldwide’s London office, where he ran the company’s Europe, Middle East, and Africa government relations practice. Browne is also the former director of Policy Network—the international network founded by Tony Blair, Gerhard Schröder, Goran Persson, and Giuliano Amato—and remains a member of the organization’s governing board and advisory council. During his time at Policy Network, Browne worked closely with a host of progressive leaders and prime ministers’ and presidents’ offices across the globe, as well as international organizations such as the United Nations and the World Trade Organization. Browne also ran the international press operation for the British New Labour’s general election campaigns in 2001 and 2005.

    https://www.americanprogress.org/about/staff/browne-matt/bio/

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    https://www.theyworkforyou.com/regmem/?p=24950

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    • john in cheshire says:

      As soon as you see the word progress or the word progressive as used by organisations such as this, you know you are dealing with marxist agitators and troublemakers.

      In the same way anything with the word social; as in social democratic and social worker; is inherently a collectivist body of ne’er-do-wells.

         10 likes

  26. MarkyMark says:

    Islamic rules are incompatible with British laws, claims Archbishop of Canterbury

    ISLAMIC rules are incompatible with British laws which have developed over 500 years and sharia law should never become part of the British legal system, the Archbishop of Canterbury has declared.

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       16 likes

    • G says:

      MM,
      “ISLAMIC rules are incompatible with British laws which have developed over 500 years and sharia law should never become part of the British legal system, the Archbishop of Canterbury has declared.”
      Phew! what a turncoat. I had grown to acknowledge Archie Bish had realigned his faith toward islam of recent years. So what’s happened? Perhaps in his pseudo role as a religious man and perhaps the ubiquitous religious inclination toward young boys led him to approach a young boy of the islamic persuasion and he ‘got what he deserves’ from the boys dad…………..Just thinking, because anythings possible in this, Brave New World.

         14 likes

  27. Terminal Moraine says:

    The beeb manages to wring a bit more propaganda out of the Ryanair racism story, picking up a Facebook post by The Mayor of Barcelona, Ada Colau (makes a change I suppose from them trawling Twitter all day.) She wants to express not only her “solidarity with the victim” but also her disapproval of Ryanair for their behaviour.

    Cynical minds might think this is just a hackneyed plug for a female socialist European Mayor whose la nueva politica leads Buzzfeed to suggest she’s the “world’s most badass mayor” and the Guardian to muse if she might be “the world’s most radical?”

    There is an Essex police investigation underway, so Ryanair cannot comment further — but this doesn’t stop the BBC going full steam ahead with the predictable message that Ryanair have been negligent, England is racist, and the leftwing, progressive, European woman alone is the source of all that is righteous and true.

       26 likes

    • john in cheshire says:

      I fail to see what RyanAir did wrong. And I can’t abide Mr O’Leary or his godawful airline.

         9 likes

  28. Dave says:

    Gelatine in Vaccines apparently problematic for vegetarians and certain religions…

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-45939514

    “A parent who contacted the BBC said he was “offended” by the use of porcine gelatine in the nasal flu vaccine.

    He explained his wife was told about the ingredient by a doctor when she took their children to be vaccinated.

    She refused the vaccine because of their religion.”

    Facepalm.

       28 likes

    • Roland Deschain says:

      If they don’t like it, they can fund development of a substitute themselves or do without.

      Why are we continually expected to pander to these people?

         30 likes

  29. Guest Who says:

    Rob Burley to the rescue!

       20 likes

  30. MarkyMark says:

    Did any of these people know what they were voting for on such a slim majority? #AnotherPeoplesVote

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    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/insights/ge2017-marginal-seats-and-turnout/

       16 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      Marky
      If the system is “a winner takes all” model then theoutcome must be respected .if labour win the next one by a small majority I won’t like it but will accept it- unless the election fraud / intimidation is so serious as to make theoutcome illegitimate –

      Judging by the corrupt behaviouroff the election commission there will be no remedy there .

      Obviously labour would disqualify any one over70 from voting and reduce the voting age to 10 ….as well as give it to illegals and ReichEU guest workers

         17 likes

    • Thatcherrevolutionary says:

      The total shite bag you see on Westminster lawn demanding ‘single customs union’ and other Eu garbage is the dishonourable Stephen Gethins, number one on your list who retained his seat by 2 votes.

         13 likes

  31. MarkyMark says:

    More Nadiya on the way …

    I’m A Celebrity 2018 contestant rumours – Dani Dyer, Nadiya Hussain and Zoella tipped for the jungle

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  32. Annunaki says:

    FFS of the day silly student bitch latest:

    ‘You are the epitome of stupid’: Privately-educated student rep sparks fury after vowing to tear down ‘mural of white men’ honouring those who left university to fight in WWI but never returned
    Emily Dawes (left), the head of the University of Southampton Students’ Union, provoked outrage when she referred to the university’s Rotherstein Mural as a ‘mural of white men’ and called for it to be taken down. She tweeted: ‘Mark my words – we’re taking down the mural of white men in the uni Senate room, even if I have to paint over it myself.’ Another tweet she posted about the mural, in which she mentions Armistice Day, suggests she was aware of its meaning. Her expletive-ridden message (right) states: ‘ONE OF THE WOMEN JUST SAID “it’s nearly armistice day so are we covering up this tapestry??” AND HOLY S***. F*** YES. GRL PWR #sotonsenatelive’. The students’ union have apologised for her comments, but she has not removed the original post from Twitter. The university’s website states that the Rothenstein Mural (pictured centre), which is in the Senate Room of the Highfield Campus, was painted in 1916 ‘as a memorial to members of the British universities serving in the Great War’. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6315595/Fury-student-union-president-vows-tear-white-men-WWI-mural.html

       33 likes

    • G.W.F. says:

      Annunaki

      I think we can agree that the student showed utter disrespect and ignorance.

      However I do recall, from many years ago, that the mural was disliked for other reasons. The line of professors and worthies all posing so their faces can be recognized was often derided as something akin to what we would call virtue signalling today.
      I remember a dean, with a sense of humour, suggesting that the faces could replaced with holes akin to those pictures where you could insert your face and appear as one of the characters, all dressed up in academic finery.
      However, the unpopularity of the mural was way beyond the comprehension of this silly wench.

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    • Justin Casey says:

      @ Annunaki You do realise that Emily is actually a man don`t you? Emily probably thinks covering that mural is as easy as tucking in his penis and taping it into his arsecrack… Look closely at the fourth picture down the page… also the second one shows quite hairy legs ffor a female as well as hands like shovels… You can`t miss that adams apple…

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  33. Annunaki says:

    FFS 2
    Refugee who used her own family’s passports to smuggle two asylum seekers into UK illegally is spared jail because judge thought her motive was ‘humanitarian’
    Somalia-born Hana Abdi Qahtan tried to pass off a 16-year-old Yemeni as her son
    She had another UK passport for an older woman hidden in her hijab at Heathrow
    Part-time carer’s two relatives have now received full asylum to remain in the UK
    Judge gives suspended sentence and talks of her ‘humanitarian desire to assist
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6315375/Refugee-admitted-immigration-charges-praised-humanitarian-desire.html

       38 likes

    • G says:

      Annunaki,
      Anything but anything even vaguely connected with islam gets the soft touch. It makes adherence to the so-called, ‘Law’ an absolute nonsense. ‘The law, not only has to the done, it has to be seen to be done’. At present, the law repeatedly sends out the signal that there’s a law for muslims and those connected with and a law for the indigenous population i.e., infidels.

         20 likes

  34. MarkyMark says:

    Tide is turning … listening to the words and seeing their actions ….

    “Takes one to know one, David. I’m no supporter of Trump but the incoherent rage levelled at him by the Democrats and the democratic supporting media has been vile. Hilary lost, it’s called democracy.”

       31 likes

    • G.W.F. says:

      MarkyMark

      David Lammy and frequently Diane Abbot with many others in Labour will soon hold Government positions after the inevitable Tory defeat. These people are going to have to deal with our most essential ally, the USA, and their present conduct towards the US President is not going to help them get the best deals for Britain.

      Prepare for a distancing between the UK and USA.

         8 likes

  35. Anne says:

    Breaking news: Another dangerous object has been delivered to the Clintons:

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  36. quisquose says:

    Did anybody else catch the blatant bias from Gary Davies on Radio 2 25 mins ago?

    The last news item was a quite extraordinary bit of ranting from Alan Sugar about how Brexiteers Johnson and Gove should go to jail for false promises.

    The next voice we heard, indeed the first words he said were:

    “Good for you Mr Sugar”

       30 likes

  37. Fedup2 says:

    Excellent ofcom news

    Al beeb has lost the under 25s they’re all off to Netflix . Let’s hope they keep the habit and their kids do the same .

    Ironic for the Americans to demolish the far left BBC
    But someone -the market – will do it .

       25 likes

  38. BRISSLES says:

    “British businessman granted injunction over sexual harassment and racial abuse claims in case branded Britain’s #MeToo” – Evening Standard/Daily Telegraph……..

    Been ‘outed’ in the House of Lords as Sir Philip Green !

       12 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      Delightful man – I’m glad some one had the bottle to use parly prob – but this whole secrecy thing – restrictions on trials needs clarity – particularly when the state uses it to lock up and try to kill people it doesn’t like – such as TR

         12 likes

  39. theisland says:

    TR update

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    • Fedup2 says:

      The island

      The failing guardian rag total printed a ‘long read’ on TR by a professional “Far Right wing’ watcher called Daniel Trilling – whom the guardian seems to roll out to do a hatchet job on those with whom it disagrees – so I am not ‘right wing ‘ I am ‘far right ‘. ( cuts and paste maxi ).

      The articles goes on for over 20 paragraphs .’ Asian sex abuse ‘
      Trial is mentioned once toward the end of the article which rambles along and edges toward rant .
      He doesn’t declare the evil which the likes of TR and many on this site are trying to fight – he just breezes on in his comfort zone .

      Mr. Trilling Goes straight for the ‘far right’ badging for anything he doesn’t agree with . There seems no ‘right wing ‘ any more – it just has to be ‘far right’ which mr Trilling fails to define despite all his words.

      So it seems that despite the relatively brutal repression of any one speaking out against the insane liberal – Far Left – the TR cause has a traction which frightens guardian readers – and the fact that this is no longer a domestic affair and has touchéd better democracies frightens them even more.

      It is interesting that mr Trilling s Details on the internet are very limited – same with other Far left wing mouthpieces such as the beeboid Casciarni . I think their home addresses should be published .

      TR
      The update by TR is 23 minutes long and is worth a listen . He is a brave man and one can see that the British State is taking a toll on him .
      I hope he is safe because of interest from America and Australia and other decent countries which have refused to be rolled over by the current regime. Fortunately nothing stays the same

      The end of the TR video is worrying because he talks about suicide ( which he won’t do – in a David Kelly way ) so one wonders if the brakes could fail on his car in a Paris underpass or the smoke alarm fails to go off.

      Confession – when I first heard of TR I didn’t like him . I thought he was playing the system for his ego . But I soon realised that he is sincere and a “prophet in the desert” going against the defective bbc group think of our sad time .

         25 likes

      • theisland says:

        I applaud TR’s intentions to take out private prosecutions using the money donated by supporters.

        Even if unsuccessful, for the common good there are many institutions and people that need holding to account for lying, concealment and worse.

        The ‘state’ will not bring them to account because it is complicit and normally we little people lack the resources to act.

           10 likes

  40. Roland Deschain says:

    The media, especially including the BBC, has decided without evidence to proclaim that it’s all Trump’s fault yet it’s the President who is not to throw mud?

       35 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      Sopel first wrote Jeff “head of CNN” then he deleted that and tweeted it but cut out the CNN bit

         6 likes

    • NameNotNumber says:

      Obviously not very much Jon, as you have just twittered the messages out again.

         6 likes

  41. Guest Who says:

    https://bbcwatch.org/2018/10/25/bbc-news-employee-breaches-social-media-editorial-guidelines/

    More from the #honestmistake #viewstheirown corporation.

       5 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      as if they ever bother about this rule as long as employees are biased in the LEFT direction.

      “Impartiality is a particular concern for those working in News and Current Affairs. Nothing should appear on their personal blogs or microblogs which undermines the integrity or impartiality of the BBC. For example, News and Current Affairs staff should not: […]

      advocate any particular position on an issue of current public controversy or debate.”

         12 likes

  42. StewGreen says:

    R4 3pm news : Javid has apologised for the way some Windrush and foreign military UK settlers were asked for DNA evidence for the immigration status.
    – Yet we got only lengthy audio from Diane Abbott

    #1 Why do we so often get Labour voices and no government voice ?
    #2 It’s not a big deal, to ask for DNA, if you wanted you could just get it off my coffeecup etc.
    #3 Such foreigners have cheated the system in the past, so it is reasonable to ask similar people to prove their legitimacy.
    ======

    The R4 Drama actually had 2 main characters , and neither seemed BAME
    #1 The Bulgarian immigrant from communist time, who says she loves the UKsupports UKIP and Brexit cos she thinks too many Bulgarian thieves are coming in now
    and #2 her Bulgarian born daughter who believes in open bordrs and multiculturalism
    … So who is the winner character ?
    ..and who is the loser, who we find is liar ?

    ..3.30 Open book started with an Australian author.

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    • StewGreen says:

      Oh the R4 3pm was Open Country
      It was about the Liverpool Giants a streetshow in central Liverpool.
      – So that is nothing to do with the countryside, which is supposed to be the main remit of the show !
      And also
      …. the show took time to celebrate the Migration Museum

      100% agenda , all the time

         21 likes

  43. StewGreen says:

    Twitter rigging searches/agenda
    I search on BBCradio4
    ..and as ever it first defaults to “Top tweets”
    ..and it is headed by a week old tweet from Liverpool’s Labour mayor gloating about how has just been on an R4 prog profiling Tory MP Ester Mcveigh, and how he sneered at her, and her dream of becoming PM

       12 likes

  44. 7Clubs says:

    Esther Mcvey might be the best choice to be the next PM given that her partner is fellow Tory MP Phillip Davies who point for point might be the most libertarian MP in parliament.
    Obviously in order to build up her minesterial career Esther probably has to keep a lot of her opinions private but with any attractive professional lady the biggest signal of the real person within is who she goes out with

       12 likes

  45. Fedup2 says:

    The Phillip green case ( I won’t use the knighthood tittle as he is clearly unworthy of it ) but it highlights the use of injunctions to conceal what it going on in our courts .

    If judges think jurors don’t refer to google during trials they must be deluded – yet they pretend that if they gag the press -including the likes of TR –
    Is in the interests of justice then they are of another time and defence lawyers should be banned from applying for them .

       10 likes

  46. StewGreen says:

    The left each there own
    I told you previously that the mob had been triggered by the idea of a coming debate at Conway hall
    .. and first forced the debate name to becsanitised
    Now on the DA in his Times column says he’s being vilified for daring to debate speakers whobsay open borders are not a great idea.
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/illiberal-left-plays-into-hands-of-the-far-right-qwwcwvrmd

    Their tweet with a mocked title

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    • StewGreen says:

      That Times article :
      Illiberal left plays into hands of the far right
      david aaronovitch
      .. is subtitled
      ** Tommy Robinson poses as a champion of free speech while anti-racism activists vilify me for wanting to debate diversityon that Times article which is subtitled **

      Then there are quite a few deleted comments
      a comment there
      \\ I just posted a comment in support of Steve Bannon and it got taken straight down.
      Surely that’s just a little ironic? //

      Oh I made couple of comments about lib-supremacism there…I can’t see them now.7

         7 likes

      • StewGreen says:

        DA wrote “The same goes for that *racist* loudmouth Tommy Robinson”

        A commenter replied
        “Is it compulsory in the journalist rules that mention of Tommy Robinson has to be juxtaposed with the accusation of racist without a single example of this supposed racism he’s committed?
        Of all the things Tommy Robinson been arrested/charged/imprisoned/run out of town for racism has never been one of them.”

           13 likes

  47. Guest Who says:

    The bbc and twitter headline structures.

       8 likes

  48. Guest Who says:

    Toenails ‘Defensive Much?’ Robinson again strolls past that statue of Orwell failing to appreciate multiple ironies.

       13 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      Poor Nick – so far inside the bubble he doesn’t even realise it exists . Bless.

      Maybe he’s looking at a time when people ready do get fed up with beeboids attitudes … and bias …

         15 likes

      • Scroblene says:

        Fed, he must realise – unless he’s thicker than he seems, that nobody actually cares a monkey’s about his opinions. He wobbles with insincerity, talks drivel, and frankly, is just a fair-ground machine which takes a penny, he giggles, the kids laugh, and they go on to the next little show!

        What a prat that bloke is, he’s a laughing stock around here!

           13 likes

  49. G.W.F. says:

    Now Joe Biden gets a suspicious package. Looks like an indecent scrabble to receive one

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    • Fedup2 says:

      I can’t believe msm hasn’t accused a president Trump of sitting in the Oval Office putting pipe bombs together ..,.

         14 likes

      • vlad says:

        Not quite so explicitly, but many are hinting at the connection… including our very own, dearly be-hated beeb.

           13 likes

      • fakenewswatcher says:

        You obviously weren’t listening to the 5pm news on R4 yesterday afternoon.
        Caroline Quinn all but found a direct link to Trump, hopefully asking someone she was interviewing: ‘Is it too early to draw connections?’, clearly wanting the interviewee to say ‘no’. In the previous sentence, the bomb recipients had been listed and the President had been mentioned.
        He said that it was too early.
        Ah well, at least she had the idea out there, in the ether. Pretty outrageous you might think. But Quinn is very manipulative and wasn’t going to miss a golden opportunity to be the first…

           14 likes

  50. Fedup2 says:

    I don’t know about you but if I wanted a British passport, had kids and the state asked for a dna test to prove they were mine as I asserted I would give it –
    Otherwise no passport

    Al beeb and the current red tories think it’s not right so the Home Sec does one of those sad apologies for the Home office trying to do its job and control immigration .

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