542 Responses to Midweek Open Thread 27 March 2019

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  1. TrueToo says:
    March 29, 2019 at 4:27 pm

    Close to three years ago a subdued and grim BBC watched Brexit inch past Remain towards the finishing line. And ever since there have been excruciating twists and turns and red lines drawn then crossed by a PM who has vacillated between deceit and bumbling incompetence in her train wreck of a ‘deal’ with the EU.

    But surely the final straw (up till now, anyway) was the duplicitous move to chop the ‘deal’ in two and present half of it to be voted on in the hope that this time around it would be regarded as half as bad as it was during previous votes and therefore might pass.

    The fist vote failed by 230 votes, the second by less and this one by even less at 58 votes. Perhaps Treason May has been consulting with creative mathematicians and the next step will be to present a third of the deal for a fourth vote. Based on the evident liking for betrayal by those ‘governing’ Britain, it would probably succeed.

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    • Up2snuff says:
      March 29, 2019 at 4:36 pm

      TT, don’t think so as I understand it.

      IIRC, the EU granted two date extensions which are enshrined in EU Law, trumping UK Brexit Law which says we depart tonight at 11pm.

      Under the EU provisions, if the WA fell in Parliament again, we Leave on 12th April, effective the day before, with No Deal. If the WA had passed, then we would have BRINO’d on 22 May and negotiations would have commenced on Part 2 of the Entrapment, er, I mean Withdrawal Agreement on the trading relationship.

      There is still a whisper of hope for Brexiteers but the BBC (as Remainers) are currently counting on Brexit now being substantially delayed (another couple of years?) according to this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news

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      • Emmanuel Goldstein says:
        March 29, 2019 at 5:08 pm

        Whether it’s April or May, the eu has left the possibility of never ending extensions available.
        Imagine we get the 1 year extension. Just as it nears the end there will be another extension ‘grudgingly’ allowed, maybe we have to hand over a few billions but the eu will find a way.
        Then, when the next extension is coming to an end, the eu will………..
        ………. you get the picture.

        All the MSM saying a general election will make no difference.
        That’s rubbish.
        It will remove about 400 of the liars and replace them with real brexiteers, perhaps many from UKIP and the new Brexit Party.
        Then, we will leave on wto.

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        • JamesArthur says:
          March 29, 2019 at 5:24 pm

          Are you as depressed as me with all this crap…
          Up2 yes the BBC are pushing the extension or in fact a customs union – completely ignoring what the referendum wording was..and it didnt’ include being a customs union!!!
          Emmanuel..I agree the MSM don’t want an election because they know most of the MPs in leave areas who went against the vote will be out and UKIP/Brexit party will make big gains as long as they work together and don’t split the votes..

          Chances of leaving without a deal – 5%… because the EU now have the power and will grant as many extensions as they like until the Remainers finally get us to rejoin at a huge cost – unless somebody here with money challenges it..

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  3. StewGreen says:
    March 29, 2019 at 4:33 pm

    TR live now
    open in YouTube

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  4. StewGreen says:
    March 29, 2019 at 4:36 pm

    Actually Sun has better livestream of TR now
    Batten enters stage … Great Escape march is playing

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  5. StewGreen says:
    March 29, 2019 at 4:45 pm

    LeaveMeansLeave demo
    Tim Martin is speaking now live

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  6. StewGreen says:
    March 29, 2019 at 4:54 pm

    God bless our police
    … maybe coming to their senses
    … they’ve penned the troublemakers who’ve come to Breach The Peace

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  7. Emmanuel Goldstein says:
    March 29, 2019 at 5:00 pm

    If May is going to resign when we leave the eu I think she will be the longest serving prime minister ever.

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    • Thoughtful says:
      March 29, 2019 at 5:21 pm

      I did tell you to be careful and read between the lines of what she said a few days ago. Marxist Meg has no intention of resigning. I wonder if she’ll budge if Corbyn is elected !

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      • JimS says:
        March 29, 2019 at 5:37 pm

        Of course not!

        The people wouldn’t have known what they were voting for or they might have changed their minds!

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      • Jeff says:
        March 29, 2019 at 6:28 pm

        I’m sorry Thoughtful, why on earth do you carry on with this nonsense that May is a Marxist? Where does this fantasy originate? She’s been a Tory since she was a schoolgirl.
        She may be utterly useless. She’s certainly devious. She’s stubborn and couldn’t negotiate he way out of a paper bag. She’s probably the worst PM we’ve had since Eden…
        But Marxist?

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        • Fedup2 says:
          March 29, 2019 at 6:30 pm

          Jeff – I agree – I don’t remember Mrs May spouting nonsense about ‘seizing the means of production ‘ unlike the real Marxists sitting across the chamber from her .

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        • G.W.F. says:
          March 29, 2019 at 6:43 pm

          Jeff,
          Agree she is not a Marxist in the sense that many of Corbyn’s supporters are dyed in the wool Marxists awaiting the Marxist revolution. But there is a sense in which May’s attempt at being a progressive in the Tory party earns her the title – it’s her view of the state as the first point in political and social change. That, rather loosely, fits with popular conceptions of a Marxist politician.

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  8. StewGreen says:
    March 29, 2019 at 5:04 pm

    Lord Pearson covering EU ruining African farmers by dumping surpluses on them
    plebs livestreams are back up now…. livestream from TR supporter

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  9. Fedup2 says:
    March 29, 2019 at 5:09 pm

    I was watching the film Lincoln and saw the Gettysburg Address and realised what the UK does not have is –

    government-of-the-people-by-the-people-for-the-people

    Let’s just hope the ‘rotten Parliament ‘ finds a way to destroy itself after such an undemocratic day .

    On the upside – still might get a full brexit on 12 April ….

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    • Thoughtful says:
      March 29, 2019 at 5:53 pm

      “after such an undemocratic day”

      Not sure I take your meaning here? Surely you didn’t want Mays treaty to pass?

      The country is not a democracy but a ‘parliamentary democracy’ and as I posted earlier, it dates from the civil war when the parliamentarians took the powers of the King to rule over the people.

      We might elect them every 5 years, but we are electing our rulers, not our representatives.

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      • Fedup2 says:
        March 29, 2019 at 6:02 pm

        I saw your post . You obviously don’t read mine as I’m a no deal brexiter and always have been . I don’t need a reminder of the nature of the unwritten constitution either thanks .are you trolling me Thoughtful ?

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  10. StewGreen says:
    March 29, 2019 at 5:14 pm

    Keep switching feeds
    Ruptly gone down
    Sun went down and switched to Reuters boring-cam view

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  11. countryblues says:
    March 29, 2019 at 5:30 pm

    Some ‘expert’ on the news today confident that ‘May’s Deal’ will return for a 4th ‘meaningful’ vote…probably in a run off against the best ‘indicative’ vote option…

    Gawd ‘elp us… 🙁

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  12. fakenewswatcher says:
    March 29, 2019 at 5:45 pm

    …blues – And she will tell us this without any sense of embarrasment.
    I think I’m going to become a politician, cos it seems – you have no shame. And a very thick skin.

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  13. Fedup2 says:
    March 29, 2019 at 6:19 pm

    NEW THREAD

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  14. G.W.F. says:
    March 29, 2019 at 6:47 pm

    Is it me or has the mosk stabbing story ended. Yesterday, man killed outside a mosk, not terror, end of media interest.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6862145/London-Central-Mosque-surrounded-armed-police-fatal-stabbing.html

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