Tuesday Open Thread 26 March 2019

I thought I’d try out shorter threads in current circumstances – so over to You to highlight the failings and hideous bias of the Far Left BBC

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205 Responses to Tuesday Open Thread 26 March 2019

  1. Thatcherrevolutionary says:



  2. Luckyharry69 says:

    How many new threads are there today?more than any ‘indicative’ votes!!!Ive lost track lol!!!!…………..


  3. Fedup2 says:

    Lucky ,
    I asked at the weekend whether the number of comments on each thread should be limited or whether I should stick to the weekend – start the week – mid week model . I thought I’d try this out as 300 comments in a day is a lot . I’d just hope people look back at previous comments .


    • Guest Who says:

      In the same way that being at the end of a long thread may see end comments ignored, now worthy end comments on a shor5 thread may get left undiscussed. There needs to be a vote. And this then ignored.


      • Fedup2 says:

        Guest – in view of your positive view I’ll go back to the 3 threads system . I know how much people dislike change .


  4. The Highland Rebel says:

    Why the BBC collaborated with ISIS to stage fake events in Syria so they could push their ‘refugee’ narrative and promote mass immigration


  5. StewGreen says:

    C4 The prog about being an undercover rough sleeper is on
    #1 He says there is an abundance of food ..shops give food and masses of charity food
    #2 Many sleepers seem to get lots of cash handed to them.
    … Still it’s n unhealthy life, of processed food and alcohol etc.
    ..Now they are going back to the “homeless man’s” 2 bedroom house.
    .. and the guy orders some heroin.


  6. vlad says:

    Isn’t it strange that no-one in NZ, or Europe, America or anywhere else, ever feels the urge to walk into a Buddhist temple and shoot the worshippers? Or into a church (other than the Religionists of Peace), or a Jewish synagogue (ditto), or a Hindu temple, a Sikh gurdwara, a Jain temple, a Shinto shrine, or any of the other religious places of worship.
    What can it be about the uniquely peaceful Religion of Peace that provokes such hatred?


    • maxincony says:


      Isn’t it strange that no-one in NZ, or Europe, America or anywhere else, ever feels the urge to walk into a Buddhist temple and shoot the worshippers? Or into a church (other than the Religionists of Peace)

      1999 Wedgewood Baptist Church in Fort Worth, Texas

      2001 Greater Oak Missionary Baptist Church in Hopkinsville, Kentucky

      2002 Our Lady of Peace Catholic Church in Lynbrook, New York

      2003 Turner Monumental AME Church in Kirkwood, Georgia

      2005 Living Church of God in Brookfield, Wisconsin

      2005 World Changers Church in College Park, Georgia

      2006 Zion Hope Missionary Baptist in Detroit, Michigan

      2006 Ministry of Jesus Christ Church in Baton Rouge, Louisiana

      2007 First Presbyterian Church in Moscow, Idaho

      2007 First Congregational Church in Neosho, Missouri

      2007 New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado

      2008 First Baptist Church in Maryville, Illinois

      2009 Reformation Lutheran Church in Wichita, Kansas

      2012 World Changers Church in College Park, Georgia

      2015 Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, South Carolina

      2017 Burnette Chapel Church of Christ in Antioch, Tennessee

      2017 First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas

      2017 St. Alphonsus Church in Fresno, Texas

      *What can it be about the uniquely peaceful Religion of Christianity that provokes such hatred?*

      Congratulations, vlad; for making the stupidest post of the day.


  7. Kaiser says:


    • Fedup2 says:

      Definitely got a giggle out of that one . I really hope D. Abbot has seen it …


      • JimS says:

        That animation is a few years old. It was made in response to the EU propoganda animation ‘Eurodame’.


  8. Helena Hand-Basket says:

    I actually saw some balanced news coverage last night of the Leave Means Leave Sunderland-to-London march. Seeing that it was on the BBC’s Australian cousin – the far-left ABC – this is astounding. The small band of marchers, with their Union Jacks, looked like brave and dignified underdogs compared with the unruly mobs of London’s Remainers. As one Brexiteer remarked, ‘They only had to go round the corner carrying their Waitrose bags.’
    I think they even interviewed a well-spoken Brexiteer lady lawyer (not a knuckle-dragger).

    Mind you, on this morning’s news the ABC (and the commercial channels) seemed back to politically correct business as usual. All are overjoyed that some dirt has apparently been dug up on Pauline Hanson’s anti-multicultural political party, One Nation. (Perhaps the ABC failed to grasp that Brexiteers and UKIP receive the same contempt from the UK liberal establishment that One Nation get here?)

    How are the British media treating the march – if at all? Do the cameras close in on marchers with moustaches, or hands raised to ask a question?


  9. Guest Who says:

    One might suspect that even one hurty worded banner here would see the bbc go full flounce over ‘protest’.


    No wonder that hag Sousbury likes strutting around flanked by her Met detail basking in the adoring MSM spotlight.


  10. Guest Who says:

    Ex BBC I believe.


    • Doobster78 says:

      Showing how they truly feel …. disgusting. They really are something else.


    • StewGreen says:

      The thread begins with this tweet from the head of the IPPR , the photo is a sea of those Socialist Worker prepared anti-Tory posters
      \\ Virtually all black Labour MPs attended or supported today’s #PutItToThePeople march.
      Fully half of Labour’s black MPs spoke at the #LeftBloc or on the main stage. So if you’re sneering at ‘liberal Remainers’
      … just pause & think about the meaning of solidarity //


    • Eddy Booth says:

      Yes Clive lewis, the people voted leave
      If YOU can’t accept that then there really is little to discuss,
      just get over it and move to an EU country.


    • The Sage says:

      Yes, so racist in fact that Kwasi Kwarteng, Priti Patel, Rehman Chishti, et al all vote to Leave. Not to mention the lovely Dia Chakravarty, etc.


  11. Doobster78 says:

    BBC Radio 1 tell me on the 7.30am news bulletin that 4 schoolgirls from Oxford (i think) have launched a online petition to try and ensure that Climate Change is on the school curriculum.

    it already has 60,000 signatures.

    So, the BBC OK to promote the Revoke Article 50 petition all over the main channels, OK to promote the petition on their other love, Climate Change but when it comes to the massive amount of support for the Leave with No Deal petition …… silence !!! Not a sausage !!!

    Says it all really. It really is brainwashing.


    • Fedup2 says:

      I doubt that the MSM covered it because they are a fan of Bercow – but in the Commons on Monday night Bercow had a go at a Tory backbencher and insulted him . He called him “ a not very good former whip” .

      In response there whole place screamed at him and after squirming for 5 minutes he apologised .

      Then he was asked why he was always going on about ‘ respect’ when he wasn’t respectful himself .

      I know this is not directly BBC but I thought it showed the nature of politics now . Corrupt at all levels


      • vesnadog says:



        Ain’t he a tricky one!

        “a sting in the tail” comes to mind for this hater of all things British but a loyal fan of all things BBC.


    • Up2snuff says:

      Doobs, it did get a couple of brief mentions this last weekend. They were – in effect as you say, nothing – compared to the coverage other Gov.UK.Petitions have received.

      Certainly, they were the only two apart from the briefest of mentions when the initial ‘Leave with No Deal’ Petition had to be debated as part of Parliamentary business.


      Not ‘alf!

      I’ve just remembered Blair’s Government and their ‘news management’. Learned with help from the BBC, no doubt?


    • Deborah says:

      Having just come home from visiting several schools I can assure you that Climate Change is already very visible in the schools’ curriculum.


  12. Cassandra says:

    The Maths Question on Toady this morning was interesting in that the problem concerned the rate of ice melting in the Arctic since 1979 because of Climate Change. Quite shameless the way the BBC brings race, diversity, climate change and LGBT politics etc into the most ‘innocent’ of topics. The five minute sports report at 7.25am on last night’s England match was taken up for 4 minutes and 30 seconds by reporting on the racist chanting of the crowd.
    BBC Midlands Today featured a report on a school that has to feed it’s pupils with food from food banks because it has no money left to provide free school dinners. Camera shot to black and Middle Eastern looking teenagers, complete with the girls wearing their hijabs, smiling and tucking into the free food in front of them. The reporter concluded his report by saying that pupils are children of asylum seekers who have no money because their benefits are late for some reason. What puzzled me is that free school dinners are not funded by the schools, they are funded by the government, so the complete report was Fake News, presumably to generate sympathy for “the asylum seekers”. I can’t find any other explanation.


  13. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #1

    The delight is obvious over the airwaves. The Remainer BBC think they have won and Brexit is dead.

    Hhhhmmmmnnnnnnnn ……………

    Modern medical science is a wonderful thing. Political science? Social science?


  14. Kaiser says:

    just wathcing Hilary Benn spitting on his fathers grave
    and pushing ref2 remain vs mays brino without challenge

    But pray tell
    when MP’s have their indicative votes

    who exactly is going to implement it?


    • Eddy Booth says:

      Teresa may will implement the result, unless the leave- no deal- option is selected. then more voting ..


  15. Fedup2 says:

    I’ve just worked out with whom to replace the hapless May – Pritti Patel – ex minister – full brexiter and sharp on her feet – and she’s almost of the Right …

    Does that make me a misogynistic racist ?


    • G says:

      Could she take time out of her ad hoc ‘Ministerial visits’ around the World?


      • Fedup2 says:

        Ah yes – forgot – blotted the copy book … oh well – who cares ?


        • Kaiser says:

          if it was a ad-hoc visit to the gaza strip to lay a memorial at a terrorist grave nobody would give a toss


      • vesnadog says:


        “Could she take time out of her ad hoc ‘Ministerial visits’ around the World?”

        Especially the New Pad in New York.


  16. G says:

    I’m fed up with the plethora of ‘Petitions’, ‘Marches’ seeking to alter Parliaments’ views on Brexit. Remedies? All very tiresome repeated efforts that will fail. Pray tell me, someone, how these ‘shows’ either way, have had any affect on Parliament? It has long passed the point where these ‘shows’ have any effect upon the political elite. That majority want Remain and that’s what they will get, hook-or-by-crook.
    ‘Fraid to say it but to obtain a clean Brexit which, it appears, most voted for, it will take much more positive action which will make the MP’s sit up and think clearly.
    Take, for example, one Richard Harrington MP for Watford, one of the junior Ministers who resigned yesterday. He avowedly supports Remain but his constituents voted (50.3%) to Leave.
    “Take back Democracy” people cry! Well, Conservative Party members, Vote -NO Confidence in Mr Harrington. Deselect him and all the rest around the country.
    I think we are lurching toward either a complete rout i.e. Remaining completely or a partially watered down version of that. Whatever, it will not be the clean ‘Leave’ I and many others wished for.


    • Fedup2 says:

      I enjoy the ‘salmond lite’ Ian Blackford of the “ hate the English “ party going on about “ the people of Scotland ‘ .

      At the referendum a million Scots voted leave – a million six thousand voted remain . He missed that bit …

      Funny as well that the BBC hates nationalism -except when it’s scottish


      • Kaiser says:

        funnily enough farage had two callers on yesterday who voted for Scottish independance and Brexit

        The SNP may be on shaky ground thinking their voters want to join the EU


        • JimS says:

          I think the issue of the EU referendum in Scotland, (and NI), was complicated by local issues, effectively producing four classes of voters.

          A reasonable argument might be made by a Scottish voter that staying in the EU would be more likely to preserve the UK than voting ‘leave’, so though they didn’t like the EU, staying in was the safer option. Similar arguments can be made for the other three positions.

          While it seems illogical for an ‘independence’ party such as the SNP to want to be in the EU it isn’t from the party’s leadership point of view. A truly independent Scotland can be ignored on the world stage but an EU membership gives the leaders a seat at the EU trough table as an ‘equal’ with Germany etc.


          • Thatcherrevolutionary says:

            Ah – Ian Blackford. Alex Salmond but without the sexual harassment claims.
            I love the fact that it was the million or so Scots along with the Northern Irish 700k that tipped the scales in Leave’s favour, despite the desperate rantings of any of the Pretendy Parliament’s representatives.
            If they want to speak about ‘voices being heard’ – who speaks for me as a Scot who voted ‘No’ to independence, ‘Leave’ the EU, and Conservative in the last GE.
            I have no representation despite voting for the winning side in all 3.


        • Eddy Booth says:

          it’s a no brainer really , if Scottish nationalists actually want
          real independence
          Free from British rule only to accept the same from the EU ?
          Maybe they just want a bigger teat to suck.


    • tarien says:

      I would suggest that we are lurching towards mass demonstrations the likesof which will never have been seen before in this country let alone elsewhere-not hundreds but many many hundreds of thousands that will move throughout the UK with probably 500, 000 alone outside Westminster-the Police will really be unable to stop such a demonstration, and should they interveen it would lead to dangerous levels of a reaction with the impatience of those of us that VOTED OUT of EU.


  17. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #2 and an appeal for some help.

    Listening to the aniti-Brexit coverage this morning, I was struck with a thought just before 8am as someone mentioned the word deadlock and the hopelessness of the PM’s position and a Meaningful Vote on her deal: does the PM have the right to put a Resignation Bill before the House?

    There’s something lurking in the back of my head that suggests that it may be so. It may be, of course, some wishful thinking on my part. A feeble clutching at a tiny straw that we might escape the EU with No-Deal and our £39bn intact and can face a future (struggle or not) as a free, self-determining nation.

    Can anyone help? Any Constitutional experts on here?

    I know that a Minister resigning has the right to address the House and to make a Resignation Speech. I remember (part of) Geoffrey Howe’s memorable one. I have a notion that PM’s are entitled to force the House to a vote on the back of their resignation.

    Is that correct?


    • Thoughtful says:

      a resignation bill ?


    • Fedup2 says:

      I’m afraid it’s all done on ‘ Precedent and form’
      The PM really is just another minister and by tradition they get to make a resignation speaker

      Mrs T went because of the party internal leadership issues – the ‘ vote of confidence ‘ can’t be used again – so unless May just wakes up and orders the Removal van she can happily drag her party into the depths and the country into darkness .

      I’m not legally qualified but the prof who taught constit law was pretty good …


      • Up2snuff says:

        Indeed, so can anyone remember a PM resignation in the past 350 years or so where a Bill or a Motion was tacked on? Or more correctly, the resignation is tacked onto the Motion, ie. Back me or sack me style.


  18. StewGreen says:

    8:30am news “The Health Secretary Matt Hancock has announced plans to force social media firms to remove content promoting misinformation about Global Warming*”

    * actually step one is “vaccines”
    ..Looks like an Orwellian path to me.


  19. Lucy Pevensey says:

    What exactly is a “meaningful vote”? If all the other votes have not been meaningful why did they happen? Does voting require practice?


    • Eddy Booth says:

      just a fancy way of implying the referendum vote wasn’t significant enough to have real weight,


      • Up2snuff says:

        Think that was Parliamentary language used after the success of the Miller & others petition to the High Court. It had to be ‘substantive’.

        What we need now is a Brexiteer with deep pockets to petition the High Court and/or Supreme Court to opine whether the ruling in Miller & others limits Parliament to ‘having their say’ and that it is just one vote and that they had it on 15 January. All other votes fail in the light of that singular entitlement granted by the Supreme Court and are, therefore, void.

        I think there’s a case to be put.


  20. G.W.F. says:

    It’s the 21st century and this is Britain. And we are being asked to teach about breast ironing in our schools because it is not nice for young girls.



    • Rich says:


      And to accept this, and FGM, and supposed “period poverty” as British cultural problems. To admit some sort of empathetic complicity in these backward and barbaric practices and to agree that they are widespread and culturally undefined issues, as if my daughters should be aware and wary of this or in any way in danger of this happening to them. Once again demanding that we measure ourselves as equal to contemptuous cultures morally beneath us.

      No, definitely not, this isn’t a problem that me or my family or my community need to address or accept as being responsible for in any way.


  21. Iain Muir says:

    An unusually non-PC opinion piece on the German character:

    The EU is a religion for Germans – no wonder Brexit is going so badly

    Entirely supports various conclusions I and a few others have voiced over the years. There’s a dark side.

    In some respects I think we have more in common with the French and certainly the Dutch.


  22. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    It now looks like Sir Oliver Leftwing is running the country along with other traitors like grief and sourpuss.

    If I was May I would call a general election which almost all the honourables are terrified of because about 400-500 of them look set to be kicked out.

    If the voters voted 60%+ from labour and about 75%+ from conservative constituencies for brexit then we should get shot of the nonservatives and all the “I respect the result of the referendum but…….” labour MPs.
    We would then have a good 500 or so proper MPs who actually support the people’s democratic vote to leave.

    The manifestos will be interesting.
    I only hope UKIP and the Brexit party agree to share constituencies and not split the vote by standing for the same seats.
    There’s about 100 or so tory leavers (Bridgen, Francois, Redwood, and the like) who can be left unchallenged by UKIP and the Brexit party, the rest can be flushed away round the u pipe with the rest of the sh*t in the den of cessminster.

    Go on Tessie, call a GE.
    Stick it to them.
    Get some revenge while you still can.
    Leave on wto and go down in history as a the pm who freed us from the dreadful eu, instead of as a huge failure of a pm if you don’t get us out (on wto)


    • David R says:

      This raises 5 points:
      1: the PM cannot call a GE without the support of a largish majority of those who will be affected by it, so no MP in a non-perfesctly safe seat will risk losing their salary,
      2: manifestos are not covered by the Trade Descrptions Act and can say anything and then be ignored,
      3: the Brexit Party is intended for only if we are left deep enough in the EU to have seats in the EU (fake) parliament,
      4: being an MP is not a calling anymore, it is merely a career choice,
      5: has the PM already agreed “her” deal with the EU’s unelected leaders?


  23. gaxvil says:

    So, is it a coup rather after the Zimbabwe model?

    Apparently Parliament has been, ‘held to ransom by extremist Brexiteers’.

    Two years plus of wasted time and money for less than nothing. I’d have preferred the money spent fixing our cratered road.


    • Rich says:


      I’ve just heard Ken Clarke use the same phrase on Skew News.

      He really is a contemptuous old cock.


      • Beltane says:

        I’d imagine the member in question gets little use of late Rich, not least due the matronly edifice status of Mrs. Clarke. A fat cigar would form an attractive alternative, fiddle-factor-wise, and no doubt divert his attentions away from mulling over past failures .


  24. Cassandra says:

    Used to listen to Radio 2 and then it messed up completely with Simon Mayo and his Drivetime show, imposed Zoe Ball and Sara Cox on me. Now the only show I listen to on Radio 2 is Ken Bruce’s. That was until yesterday when Ken was all over his new travel announcer, Richie Anderson. Bruce spent so much time needlessly ‘chatting’ to this bloke about trivial matters, “why?”, I asked myself. It was then I realised I recognised Anderson’s voice, he had his own show on BBC Radio WM in the Midlands (which was dire). To call Anderson fifth rate would be to elevate him above his station. He had to apologise for the very first record he played on WM because it was a rap song that contained profanities.
    So why employ him on national radio?
    Here’s the answer:
    Oh, and there is also another reason:

    So being BAME and gay IS the main selective criteria, as well as being female, for being a presenter/broadcaster for the BBC and not the amount of talent you have.


    • Old Goat says:

      Another ghey “footballer”. I haven’t much time for either. I wish they’d keep it to themselves – not in the least interested.


    • Kaiser says:

      we have plenty of gay footballers already

      most of the wimmim ones


    • Loobyloo says:

      Heard that Cassandra and thought exactly the same thing…and I’d never heard of him before! Strange cos I don’t listen to Ken Bruce much now as it’s out of my time zone, but I listened on I player cos I knew he’d pay credit to Scott Walker. Al Beeb are so predictable. Time to finish them off. If Brexit doesn’t happen they will be stronger than ever.


  25. dazzer says:

    The choice seems to be Mrs May’s deal or no Brexit.https://t.co/GggHZ7NEv5— Jacob Rees-Mogg (@Jacob_Rees_Mogg) March 26, 2019


    They are going to back May’s deal. I really can’t help thinking this has been staged since the get-go.

    May’s deal is actually worse than if we had just remained. We will quite literally become a slave nation to the EU and our status will be lower than the other members.

    This vid is from the Yellow Vest protest

    Not reported on MSM anywhere I can see. I have to admire the French protesters.


    • Up2snuff says:

      There was a reference to more GiletJaune protests in Paris on BBC R4 at the weekend on Sunday in TWT or TPH.

      Single sentence report that there had been a protest. NO other information. What date was that video, dazzer?


      • Old Goat says:

        It was either one of the earlier ones, or the weekend before last. Last weekend was relatively quiet.


        • G.W.F. says:

          On Saturday in France I watched massive, but peaceful demonstrations on French TV. One in Paris, another in Bordeaux. I also noticed several numbers of Yellow Vests had returned to the road islands which had seemed to drop off a few weeks back. Like other people in the rural areas I put my yellow vest visible near my windscreen to show support.


    • Thoughtful says:

      When this happened in the oppressive Communist countries the Police and armed forces refused to attack their own people. In France it seems the state hates the people so much it has indoctrinated the Police to such a degree that they are more than willing to attack their own people on behalf of the elites, and that is deeply troubling.


      • Beltane says:

        The French have always had a penchant for violence against their own, they seem to enjoy inflicting pain and humiliation, perhaps as a defence against the self-inflicted humiliations of WW2.
        All the memorials to the ‘Heroic Resistance’ in just about any non-Vichy town you might care to walk round don’t actually alter or diminish the enthusiastic co-operation of the French with the occupying Wehrmacht and SS. Enough heroic Frenchmen joined their own Waffen SS to create two full divisions – Karl der Grosse and Charlemagne.


    • G says:

      At some point, a live round will ring out from the Yellow-Vests and things will take a turn for the worse………………
      Its inevitable.


    • Deborah says:

      If these demonstrations are not being reported on the MSN, who are all the chaps in the middle of all this with the long lenses on their cameras?


  26. Despairada says:

    Not BBC, apart from being something that you would never learn about from the BBC, but just wanted to recommend the Gatestone articles for today:


    Maybe you could show them to family and friends who think that muslims are ‘peaceful’ and their so called religion does not have an agenda other than worshiping their god. I think Gatestone are under threat for being allegedly against islam so read it while you can.

    Anyway, here is a quote from one of them that is relevant to the soppy NZ population answering the ‘adhan’ muzzie call to prayer. This is what the adhan is. It’s not like your local village church bells that you probably ignore.

    From Gatestone Article: “Turkey: Feminist Activists Targeted by Islamists, Media”

    “In a recent statement, the Women and Family Coordination Office of the pro-government “Turkey Youth Foundation” (TÜGVA) described the Islamic call to prayer, the adhan, as a call to radical action.
    “To us, the adhan is the renewal of our intention to conquer Rome, New York, Beijing, Tokyo, Moscow, Berlin, Paris and to complete our unfinished conquest of Vienna,” said Seher Şenyüz, the vice coordinator of the Diyarbakir branch of the Women and Family Unit of TÜGVA, referring to the unsuccessful Ottoman attempts at conquering the Austrian capital.”

    I get the impression that an increasing number of people are impressed with the overt piety of muslims, all that praying and fasting – there must be something in it.


  27. dazzer says:

    Published on 25 Mar 2019. Seen it on other YouTube channels that it comes from last weekend.


  28. Foscari says:

    ” Listen Up everybody to BIG BROTHER. I want on the BBC website
    a mock up of , How did my MP vote. This is how the lay out should be.
    I want a black MP sitting in the front row. Two women in the second
    row . Of course one of them black and I suppose we have to have
    a whitey male at the back.”
    Do we really BIG BROTHER? On Politicas Daily ever since we
    got rid of Andrew Neil and put one of ours in his place the
    Coburn women we have got away at having the most two men
    on her panel. I doubt if anybody has noticed that we are getting away with three women quite often. And before long , like as
    in Newsnight and News presentation we can at times have a 100%
    women presentation.
    ” Great idea. I want suggestions how we can get rid of Gary Lineker
    and replace him with a more diverse presenter. To be honest it
    sickens me to see on a Saturday evening we allow at the BBC
    over an hour of ONLY men kicking a ball about.


  29. Cassandra says:

    “A planned first all-female spacewalk has been cancelled because of spacesuit issues, US space agency Nasa says.”


    So NASA has scrapped plans for the first all female space walk due to an issue with the space suits. The real reason for the spacewalk being scrapped was that the female astronauts wouldn’t be seen dead in the same outfit.
    I’ll get me coat.


  30. Terminal Moraine says:

    Another article to watch today apart from Article 50 as MEPs vote on Article 13* which would severely curtail internet freedom across Europe:

    —”If the new directive passes, user-generated content platforms from Facebook to Wikipedia would be forced to implement “upload filters” to ensure material doesn’t run afoul of someone else’s copyright or risk being sued […] The notion of shackling the internet to fit copyright demands most creators are not making – essentially shoving the information-freedom genie back in the bottle – has drawn opposition from internet royalty, including Tim Berners-Lee, the inventor of the world wide web himself. Some 70 online pioneers signed a letter warning the legislation turns the web into “a tool for the automated surveillance and control of its users.”

    I’ll try and post when the results are in but I’m not feeling confident.


    *Article 13 has actually had a name change to Article 17


  31. G says:

    Senior School texbooks in our Middle Eastern “Ally’s” Qatari education system:
    “The textbooks……..glorify jihad and self-sacrifice for the sake of Islam, presenting them as virtues and as divine commandments that earn Allah’s favor and rewards, chief among them admittance into the highest level of Paradise;
    The students learn that Muslims who, despite the prohibition, befriend non-Muslims must be punished. The textbook emphasizes, “Allah prohibits alliances of any kind with unbelievers, and the Islamic nation must disavow unbelievers and their families…”.
    The invasion of the West rapidly consolidates with Middle Eastern money from our, “Allies”.


    • Terminal Moraine says:

      G — the World Cup 2022 will be interesting. Hope they’ve stocked up on beer at the Israeli LGBT tent


      • Kaiser says:

        remember how the BBC ran scare stories about going to russia

        violent hooligans, massively anti gay, racists and the england fans stayed away

        lets see if they scare the england fans away in 22


  32. Kaiser says:

    turns out creepy porn lawyers co-conspirator is Mark Geragos

    Lawyer to jussie smollet, colin kapenick and a CNN contributor

    lol TRUMP must be laughing himself hoarse


    • Doobster78 says:

      Great few days for President Trump. Well done Mr President. Long may it continue. The swamp is draining slowly …..plenty more unblocking reqd … pass the Mr Muscle !!! MAGA !!!


  33. Thoughtful says:

    Just as expected the product of the rotten school Rees Mogg is reverting to type in expediency.

    After voting twice against Mays ‘turd’ of a deal he is now saying that he will support it. It is clear that his rotten education has come to the fore and shown him the most expedient route.

    If he had a proper education he would have screwed his courage to the sticking place and held out. The resulting storm might well have washed away the wholly rotten and corrupted Tory party, but he would then have been well placed to rise in a new conservative party which did believe in some good moral values.

    Alas it is probably the expendiency which got the party into this mess in the first place and it doesn’t look like it is capable of change.


    • Loobyloo says:

      I too am very disappointed in him. Just listened to the first bit of his moggcast, where he explains that he is a feared that a delay is more opportunity to revoke article 50 and I guess he thinks another referendum, if there was one, would be designed to produce the correct result as with Ireland. I understand, but that is all too hard to stomach. Where is Bojo? Pritti Patel? Who’s got some balls to stand up to these traitors?


    • theisland says:

      JRM has shown himself to be weak and out of touch.


  34. StewGreen says:

    Tags: #TheyStoleBrexit @TheJeremyVine @BbcRadio2


    • StewGreen says:

      On Twitter Chapman had a fanclub of about 200 cheering before he went on.


    • JimS says:

      I listened to James Chapman on Jeremy Vine and was appalled. If he is representative of the people supposedly working to get us out of the EU we are truly doomed.

      He did the ‘remainer’ sneer about a deal with the EU being ‘easy’ to achieve, not. Well in a sane world where two parties are already working to exactly the same rules and standards it ought to be easy to come to a mutually satisfactory deal very easily.

      Of course that implies that both parties want to make a deal. It is quite clear to me that neither the EU or our own government wanted a good deal. Indeed Mrs May’s ‘deal’ puts us inside the EU more firmly than any other country – at least they still have the option to leave.


  35. Guest Who says:

    This is what they are hoping tempts me back for £150?

    Jog on.


    • Thoughtful says:

      I would support a move to increase the TV licence by 200% to £450 pa that way people might actually get off their lazy fat backsides and make some moves to get it privatised !


  36. Doobster78 says:

    Presidents memo to TV producers ….. link attached. Didn’t copy very well.


    • Peter Grimes says:

      Bravo, I really like this approach, give them shit like they, and Al Beeb here, dish out. God help them when The Don really gets on their case…like in 2020 for the election.


  37. StewGreen says:

    tags : Anti-Brexit London march PRnotNews #FakeNews
    ..Wow even lefty libs at FullFact refuse to join the PR stunt


  38. Guest Who says:

    Flanking moves.


  39. Kaiser says:

    anti english film quote

    That’ll be a hate crime

    I dont think they really thought this law thru

    im waiting for someone to be arrested for “honky” or “cracker”


  40. Guest Who says:

    This just appeared on my local BBC station’s Facebook page:

    This billboard advert, mocking Brexiteer MP David Davis, has appeared in Worcester.

    It appears to be part of a national crowdfunding campaign by a group called Led By Donkeys.

    What did you make of it?

    Subtle. Interestingly most comments could be going better for such a naked promo complement. Not least the unique funding.

    Empirically I wonder if the BBC really have created too thick a bubble to grasp what most folk can see with their lying eyes.

    I have also noticed on LinkedIn daft Remain claims get slaughtered.

    Silent majority awakens? Not much use if voting is over.


    • StewGreen says:

      Lets see if they delete my comment


      • Guest Who says:

        Not yet.

        This is interesting: “Most Relevant is selected, so some comments may have been filtered out.”

        Perhaps in how vaguely, casually sinister it is. Most relevant to whom? Filtered out why? And how?


  41. Doobster78 says:

    Remember folks …. All views are his OWN and not that of the BBC … repeat … All views are his OWN and not that of the BBC …. yeah right !!!

    Lineker has shown himself to be a right snivelling, sanctimonious little turd. All these Remoaners think they would walk another Vote , their arrogance makes your skin crawl !!!


  42. gaxvil says:

    It’s not quite 18,000,000 though.
    Astounding how they know the future based purely on speculation, negativity and Project Fear.
    Anyhow, thinking about it there seem to be parallels here with the Prague Spring which did come good eventually. Maybe like them we have to wait for the empire to collapse in order to be free.
    The only thing keeping the EU together is fear.


    • BigBrotherCorporation says:

      Watching that footage Gax, I was thinking it is a lot of people, but it’s certainly not the 2 million the BBC were claiming this morning, no where near it.

      Just think about it logically, 2 million people is 2000 x 1000 people. Maximum comfortable walking crowd density is about 2 people per square metre, so 1000 people require at least a block of 22m square (if I’ve got my maths right?), that’s about 72 feet by 72 feet, if you prefer.


      How many blocks of that size would you estimate in the entire length of the march (not including gaps)? I would say about 100-150?

      That corresponds to about 100-150,000 people, still lots, but less than 8% of 2 million.


      • BigBrotherCorporation says:

        See Stew beat me to it above, but reassuring to know the ‘experts’ are getting a figure closer to mine than the ridiculous 1, or 2 million being thrown around.


  43. gaxvil says:

    Can’t wait for the MPs to sort it, ‘Parliament can and will find a solution’, says Corbyn. Would that be the final solution Jez ?

    Thus far those who voted leave in the referendum, when given a choice, are firmly in the dock.
    Nothing has actually happened and therefore no one knows what Brexit could be but it’s all our fault in a kind of virtual reality way.


  44. tarien says:

    Can Remain MPs please explain why the Customs Union and Single Market are so great?
    Last night the Remain-dominated Parliament of the United Kingdom voted to take control of the Brexit process. Tomorrow these MPs will vote on a variety of options in yet another attempt to thwart the will of the British people as expressed in the EU Referendum.
    In their speeches yesterday – and without any doubt tomorrow – scores of MPs will stand up and extol the virtues of staying in the Single Market and the Customs Union. Do any of them have the slightest idea what they are talking about?
    Our figures above are irrefutable. They come from our analysis of official EU data, released only last week.
    The simple fact is that the EU27 make an enormous amount of money from the UK each year – £105 billion last year alone – and the UK is unable to do its own trade deals globally.
    Where on earth is the BBC or Sky News on this?
    In such a febrile atmosphere, real facts are essential in informing the debate. If we at Brexit Facts4EU.Org – with almost no funding – can analyse and summarise the essential latest information, why can’t the BBC or Sky News do this, with its massive resources? And if they have analysed the figures, did you hear any of the above on the news? No.


    • Thoughtful says:

      The customs union is good because it allows the free movement of goods between countries.

      This means no customs checks are needed, just the bill of lading, no tariffs either.

      The single market is good because it levels the playing field between countries with uniform laws all have to follow (in theory).

      You shouldn’t be diverted by the rules of the older EEC. As a trading block the EEC was highly desireable, and you’d probably find Nigel Farage saying something similar.

      Don’t fall into the trap of believing everything about the EU is bad because it’s far too easy and simplistic.

      The issue with the EU is the way it set itself up as an unelected unaccountable politcal entity which is interfering in the culture of age old countries and using the techniques of the old Soviet Union to enforce its rule.

      Voting to the leave the EU should certainly not be viewed as a black and white issue, more a see saw balance which is tilted for leave one way and remain the other.

      You should yourself know the reasons why you voted leave. In my case I was not strongly minded either way, but the thing which swayed me most was Merkels behaviour in allowing the migrant invasion, which was illegal according to EU law, but nothing was even said let alone done – showing to me that there isn’a level playing field at all. Then came the attempt at Merkels orders to distribute the invaders and the EU even threatened countries with huge legal sanctions if they refused – in direct opposition to the blind eye they turned to Merkel.

      On top of that was Merkels blank refusal to offer any assistance to David Cameron when he went begging for concessions .

      It proved to me that the EU was not anything about ever closer union, it was German domination by a single individual, who is untouchable by law. We’ve been there once before, and I don’t see any good reason for walking into it with a white flag this time.


      • Fedup2 says:

        Thoughtful ,
        My comments here normally describe the EU as the ReichEU . It is built for the benefit of Germany – which after all – pays the biggest contribution – and we are second . I think the description is accurate .

        I remember , at a tender age, the discussion about joining the Common Market . The British were lied to then and have been lied too ever since .

        Free movement of Labour was never meant to be as unregulated as it has become . And when the recession comes I wonder how many Eastern European’s will get a single ticket ‘home ‘ on Ryanair .

        Perhaps if we remain in the ReichEU and after Merkel is politically dead there might be a drive to change it . Particularly with the coming numbers of populist MEPs being elected in a months time .

        I agree with much of what you say Thoughtful . I would add that the ECJ is not a similar system to our own . Up until recently the Common Law hasn’t been abused politically . But the ECJ delivers judgement s to further the ‘ever closer union ‘ and that is difficult for some one of the common law background like me to see as right .

        Whatever happens after these initial negotiations end Blighty will not be a happy settled place for a long time to come .

        The degree of polarisation of view is so strong – and the term ‘hate’ facilitated so easily by the internet – that times are uncharted .

        I like to look at history for parallels to understand where we are – with or without MSM false news / omission or propaganda – but I can’t see a Parliament so divorced from the Will of The Majority and so ready to disregard .all I know is that one way or another – those politicians will pay a price . And I really hope it is high and hurts ….


      • RJ says:

        Membership of the Customs Union will require us to impose the common external tariff on all imports. That will prevent us making free trade agreements with any other country. Further, if we are out of the EU under the terms of May’s Withdrawal Agreement we will have no say in the evolving terms of the customs union, and when the EU is negotiating trade deals with other countries they can give away preferrential access to the UK market to get better terms for EU manufacturers.

        The BBC is always careful not to mention that 80% of the money the UK collects in import duties payable under the common external tariff has to be paid to the EU. These billions are in addition to the billions we pay for membership of the EU.


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  46. StewGreen says:

    Leicester rapist jailed ” born in Sudan”
    .Most media just print a photo of the park
    Looks likes the BBC have now also removed his pic from the link
    … remind me, next time you see that when the perp is white.


  47. Kaiser says:

    I seems remainiac has become a profanity in BBC HYS


  48. StewGreen says:

    tags : Scotland , Fee-speech, gay Victimhood
    Blogger made joke that Tory wouldn’t have been born if his dad was gay.
    A different MSP then wrote in newspaper that that was homophobic attack on her.
    He’s suing her for libel.. I guess he should win