There is a lot of anger about so a need to concentrate on evidencing the Bias of the Far Left Pro EU BBC.
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Analyse that, bbc.
Mishal has someone on R4, to spell out Britain that won’t get any favours from the US in trade. Is it a Senator Flake?
Yes it is. Every interview on R4 serves a very explicit purpose: this one says that Britain is all but at the end of the queue.
There is to be an interview with the Chancellor. Bet your bottom dollar it’s not going to be a friendly buddy interview, such as those we’ve been listening to. Any chuckle, chuckle, wink, wink?
Doubt it.
Radio 4: Robinson/Javid: Nope, the interview starts with some very negative scene-setting.
Project Doom and Gloom.
Nick starts off with a sarcastic/hostile belittling of the Chancellor and his spending plans.
No repeat of the chuckle brothers act with McDonnell, here.
Javid explains what has happened to date, as he sees it.
“Thanks very much for the Party Election broadcast!” howls Nick R, outraged, after only one or two sentences.
He has been doing far worse for hours, of course. In fact, Toady has become one massive, utterly partisan, Party Election broadcast, in effect.
Now Nick goes over for the umpteenth time to the labour Sikh bloke who attacked Boris. Nick has moved on to the ‘Islamophobia’ agenda.
Professor Bogdanor comes on to talk to Mishal. He is not as easy to manipulate, although Mishal does her best. He questions the ‘coup’ story, much favoured by the MSM. Tough, Mishal.
Fake
Thank you for having the Toady watch duty . I just can’t bare it at the moment – all I could get was that ‘snookered’ is tipped at Salisbury this afternoon . Quite apt really .
I’ll wait for the political bodies to start rotting before trying Toady again . Wonder if one can buy a “ happy Prorogation” card ?
And what a stupid bloody word – who can spell’ Prorogation ‘?
My pleasure, Fed.
I don’t do it often, but we are living through a critical few days. I will be communicating with the beeb and Ofcom about Toady, and need to have my facts at hand.
Nick starts off with Andrew Bridgen. His first line is: “Wouldn’t it be good to be honest?”
Can’t hear him starting an interview with Swinson or the SNP like that…
However, Nick does manage a giggle at the end of this interview.
It too, serves a purpose, but it is different in its purpose, from the chuckle brothers act we had earlier. It comes at the end of the interview: ‘I gave you a hard time, but I think we’re still mates…’
Shows he’s unbiased and impartial, after all. Next request for an interview won’t be refused. Andrew can then be set up again, when the need arises.
Fake
For the likes of Tourette’s Robinson et al – it’s just a game where they make plenty of cash and get ‘fame ‘ out of it . In the case of Robinson I have no doubt his demeanour evolved from being bullied at school and never being picked for the footy team.
Fed- you are probably right.
Anyway, Nick rounds Toady off nicely, consistent with his basic message all morning. He is back, yet again, with the Labour Sikh who ‘was loudly applauded’ (by Labour MPs of course, but Nick doesn’t tell us that) and who left Boris Johnson ‘on his knees’.
Nick had increased the build-up to those last three words (designed as the final message for the morning from Toady) by saying ‘he’d never seen anything like it’ in parliament.
He may not have been picked for the school footy team, but Robinson is as skilled and meticulous a propagandist as you could hope to meet. Careful choice of interviewees, skilful manipulation of every word that passes, displays of pleasure and outrage as and when required, careful timing, consistent message, even the last three word that wrap up the package for the day, apparently off the cuff but actually -I have no doubt- carefully chosen and prepared.
The late Mr Goebbels- always far too obvious, explicit, excessive and blatant, was an amateur hack by comparison.
Fake – you honour his devious skills – he has a long and prosperous future in the BBC where he is an ideal fit.
Fed, am not so sure that it – prorogation – is a stupid word.
The PM’s strategy and timing in using it may have been unwise but since Bojo has tried to have Parliament prorogued it has shown up exactly who are the rogues on the green benches in the House.
The question a decent, neutral BBC News presenter or political journalist should have asked of any MP or member of the public enraged by this prorogation should be: “Tell me, in which years since 1945 has Parliament not been prorogued?”
Up2
Ok – it’s a joke word . I’m trying not to wonder if there was any thinking about the ‘fixed term parliament act “? Was it passed on a wet Friday afternoon when no one was there ? Where was this great revising chamber that is the magnificent 800 plus peers making sure the Commons didn’t send up duff legislation ?
It may well cost us our exit from the EU, a Conservative PM next week , put parliament in a limbo where everyone wants a General Election and no one wants one .
In the meantime it’s high comedy for Brussels and Washington .
As I understand it Corbyn won’t vote for a General Election because a no deal Government might result.
The Scottish woman wants an election as soon as the ‘leave with strings’ bill is passed.
If that’s the case what would stop a new parliament repealing this legislation (no parliament can bind its successor)?
I could have got this all wrong as am getting the story from State Broadcaster.
NG, I think you have it right. The principle is that one Parliament cannot bind a successor.
I find it strange that all these ‘intelligent’ and ‘honest’ and ‘upright’ and ‘democratic’ MPs cannot admit that:
1. they ‘misunderstood’ Theresa May’s Withdrawal Agreement and Political Deal and should have voted for it, and/or,
2. they ‘misunderstood’ the EU Referendum Act, the Article 50 Bill and the EU Withdrawal Bill (that Leaving the EU means leaving without a deal) and should not have voted for it, and/or
3. they have merely been playing for personal or Party political advantage instead of representing their constituents best interests, under Oath to the Monarch, and should resign their seats.
Africa … must expand to become Wa(N)kanda.
Germany … must replace its population because of war guilt.
England … must replace its population because of war success.
USA … must replace its population because it has become too powerful.
Iran … allowed to hate who it wants without question and must be praised by Jeremy Corbyn.
Saudi … allowed to hate who it wants without question and must be hated because it’s not Iran.
Sweden … protected by Nato due to its position but does not pay into it and sends its Austic kids to destroy other nations industries whilst selling arms to dictators.
Jamaica … built UK from rubble with the Windrush generation but let Jamaica rot.
TOADY Watch #1
Am taking limited doses of the BBC R4 News at present but in between blissful periods of quiet & silence I note the cheerfulness this morning in Nick Robinson’s voice and the gloom in Mishal Husain’s voice.
Make of that what you will.
For me, it is a bit of a ‘giveaway’ to BBC bias.
The BBC still thinks wheeling ex BBC placepersons to claim they speak on behalf of anyone except who the bbc wants to hear from is quite funny.
The year is 2029 . The Prime minister – Diane Abbot – has just negotiated another successful extension to Article 50. The excellent Civil Service is preparing for ‘leave ‘ in ..3 months .
Gina Miller is in court again , George Soros in 100 years old . Ken Clarke is still a Labour MP – aged 92 . Berkow is still bullying every one .
The British Muslim Party continues to campaign for sex with 10 year olds to be legal . There are complaints about traffic being stopped when homosexuals are thrown off office blocks following a guilty finding by the house of sharia .
Make up your own future …
Fed – LOL !! But, scary how if these Liberals get their way, you may not be far off the mark !!!!!
And it seems no matter what happens, how we vote, the Liberals, especially in the UK, always seem to win !!!!
Worrying times.
Doob
Thanks – I was wondering whether to adopt a ‘blissful ignorance ‘policy . I will only watch reality TV , dancing , talent and footy . I’d still campaign for something though – I love that Jeremy Kyle – why isn’t he on ‘Dave’ any more ? ….
The Great Wall of London is completed, the 120 mile construction circling the E.U. enclave.
The daily deliveries from Europe of food and people allow the continued growth of the city.
Those wanting to escape must contact the secretive Lexit group, knowing that they’ll remain suspected of E.U.Think for years, and if found to be a traitor will be returned and forgotten.
The city will remain a problem for England for many years, until the final inter borough wars destroy the dregs of infrastructure, leading to starvation and disease.
Those still alive are instructed to return to the E.U. homeland, some attempt the journey, some stay, encouraged to start the return to English democracy, but still imprisoned in the Capital Punishment Prison
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-bbcs-nazi-series-1-surprise-surprise-hitler-equals-trump-equals-boris/?
Nick still risk glancing at that statue and quote as he scuttles by?
TOADY Watch #2
For all their billions, for all their (over)staffing, the BBC can be incredibly … am searching for a word ….. vacant (that will do although ‘vacuous’ could be added to it) at times. The BBC’s Political Editor, Laura (Part-time) Kuennsberg was opining before 8am, but failed to mention possible strategies. Nick Robinson asked Vernon Bogdanor (excellent in his statemanship replies!) about the PM’s strategy. Professor Bogdanor wisely demurred. Nick had nothing to suggest other than a General Election.
My question to Nick Robinson is “Nick, in the TODAY editorial suite, do not the Presenters & Senior Editors discuss such things? Do you not ‘game’ the changing political situation continually, trying to work out what might happen so that the BBC can demonstrate some ability, some comprehensiveness, in their journalism?”
Apparently not.
Very strange. What a waste of £3.6 → £3.5 → £3.declining billions of Licence Fee taxpayers’ money! Those of us who have wobbled around in different areas of life know about the daily or pre-On Air ‘Back Desk’ conferences in newspapers and newsrooms elsewhere. But not at the BBC? Really?
I have a suggestion for what might happen next. Please may I have my share of your £3.declining billions, BBC, as you are deficient at doing your jobs?
One obvious thing for a confident PM to do is to announce at least one, perhaps more, Referendums today. The first, immediate one, will be to decide whether the whole UK wishes to leave the EU on 31 October without a deal. The other two will come later, much later, one for Independence for Scotland and the other for Independence for Northern Ireland.
The Prime Minister would have great satisfaction watching Jeremy Corbyn, Jo Swinson and Nicola Sturgeon trying to wriggle their way out of voting that Bill through this week.
Up2
Seems like the way things are going we ll have to start quoting numbers in Euros ……
Back to the kilos* and red Passports˜.
Doh!
* for those with a peculiarly restricted sense of humour, please note this is intended as a joke.
˜ for those with a peculiarly restricted sense of humour, please note this is intended as a joke.
#PrinterPoverty is real and will soon take over the Country as the number one reason to laugh at our politicians. Make a donation by going to work and paying your taxes so that Labour’s Jess Phillips MP can escape this new zero world problem and her husband who is paid as her assistant can find the toner he needs.
https://www.theipsa.org.uk/mp-costs/interactive-map/
Marky – I don’t think you should take printer poverty so lightly . It is a serious issue for people who are only on £85000 a year plus allowances and expenses and MP pension and payments for turning up regularly on the BBC to tell us about their hard upbringing .
Maybe she should wear a badge ?
I don’t understand this, it makes no sense at all, and the office costs appear reasonable.
Perhaps you can explain it a little better than cut & paste?
Jess Phillips stood up in the House of Commons yesterday to declare she doesn’t own a printer and has to visit her mother-in-law every time she wants to print something. Right…
Philips charged the taxpayer £24,000 for her office costs last year. Is she seriously saying she couldn’t find a spare £20 for a printer? Perhaps she could have found it within her annual £80,000 MP salary, book royalties, or the up to £160,000 she paid her husband in staff expenses.
Last year Philips claimed £4,090.97 in travel expenses. Guido wonders if that includes the mileage of driving to her mother in law’s every time she wants to print something…
https://order-order.com/2019/09/04/jess-phillips-80000-year-implies-cant-afford-printer/
Now it makes sense! I had no idea she had said anything about printers.
Does not the HoC have any in-house printing facilities?
And right behind her on the desk is a scanner/printer.
Edit: G beat me to it below, I see.
Jess Philips … Until February 2019, I employed my husband, Tom Phillips, as Constituency Support Manager. (Registered 07 June 2015; updated 14 March 2019)
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/regmem/?p=25364
Someone on here is often saying that MPs should be paid more . Perhaps their ‘partner’ is one of those so hard working MPs ….. obviously if this dumb attention seeker can’t afford an HP printer ( £40 at Argos ? ) then they need more cash . I was thinking of buying her one .
I said there should be fewer of them and they should be paid a proper amount. What they are currently paid is insufficient hence idiots like Jess Philips are attracted to the job and not quality people.
Why are our MPs so crap? Because you get what you pay for !
Thoughtful – it’s you – you’re the one who thinks MPs should be paid more .
We diverge . I’d dump the upper house , move parliament out of London . Give them a flat wage with admin allowances . Ban employing their relatives – make them contribute it overseas freebies – shorten parliaments to 4 years , close the Commons pubs , remove subsidies , freeze their pay , reduce their pensions and require those who leave the party on which they were elected to hold a bi election . The speaker post would be limited to maybe 2 years with deselection thereafter .
Obviously there would be at least a 5 year residence requirement to represent their constituency before becoming an MP – as well as a ban on second jobs and outside interests .
There will still be a queue of muppets desperate for fame .
And I’m thinking that’s quite a generous package to attract the right “ quality “ of people .
MM,
The item far right in the pic. is a Hewlett Packard machine. Probably looking at the shot, the rear end of a HP LaserJet colour printer. I have one…………………….
#printerbank Printer bank to be set up for MP’s.
BBC News
“It’s all just going at an incredible speed.”
The BBC’s science editor David Shukman returns to southern Greenland’s Sermilik glacier, which he says has “got an awful lot thinner” in the last 15 years. bbc.in/32pENE8
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Dave says something. Goes there to say it. How? Irony.
Guest
There is nothing more entertaining for me than a story about something melting – ice cream – glaziers glaciers – continental shelf .
The planet wobbles , the sun shines and sometimes we get ice ages . Yet after – what – 30 years maybe of reliable data our betters can read and predict long term climate change – and tax us to death as well as dictating how to live . No.
The irony of him gleefully buzzing said glacier with an exhaust plume behind him was quite special.
And I doubt he sailed there on this latest visit.
Hitched a ride with Greta, I imagine.
Bedtime reading for Shukman.
https://techultras.com/nasa-admits-that-climate-change-occurs-because-of-changes-in-earths-solar-orbit-and-not-because-of-suvs-and-fossil-fuels/
CO2 for ever!
Guest Who
I’ll have you know sir that there’s a damn good living to be made dealing in bullshit.
GW,
I don’t seem to find any reference to Shukman’s qualifications. I would expect a BBC Science Editor to have at the very least two degrees in ‘serious’ science subjects such as, ‘Gender Studies’…………………………
Allow Tony Heller to explain…Greenland Propaganda Meltdown
https://invidio.us/watch?v=Yqmez68DMMc
I have just fallen off my chair. Nigel Farage was on BBC Breakfast being interviewed! I have turned away now, so assume they will get someone else on, like Anna Soubry to rubbish the sense he was talking!
Question : Is our Parliament and our beloved Al Beeb controlled by the Europe? Parliament does not want a general election . Why?
There is definitely something fishy going on .
taffy, think I may have written on here before about how my view of the EU has changed. I now think it is evil. It obviously has a grip on some people that absolutely possesses them and leads them into acts of betrayal.*
Previously I have been neutral but I am getting close to firming an opinion about Monnet’s & Schuman’s true intentions in their plans for European nations.
(* A film and/or book recommendation for the weekend ahead: CS Lewis’ The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe.)
taffy, I went from being ‘on here’ to a quick visit (that lasted an hour! eeek!) to the Conservative Woman web-site.
An interesting article has been put up today: https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-christian-case-for-brexit/
Burgsey
He was but did you note the antagonistic approach the dimwitted Louise Munchkin took with him – unlike the jovial chat with McDonnell where he was allowed to make stupid statements like ‘ if we have a no deal I could have constituents coming to me because they lost their jobs’ What a F***r no evidence and no consideration that that has happened before and nothing to do with Brexit.. no challenge Unlike with NF where – she couldn’t wait to throw in operation Yellow hammer ..
I only watched it because NF was on – avoiding all BBC reporting. A pointless stressful exercise
I really hope Boris has a plan
JA, I assume that was on TV. McDonnell was on Radio 4’s TOADY Prog as well.
I find it interesting that Jeremy Corbyn is not allowed into BBC studios.
I wonder why?
Should this fact check be fact checked?
Full Fact
A number of journalists claim that Hilary Benn’s proposed Brexit bill allows the EU to extend the UK’s exit date to whenever it wants, with the UK having no say.
This is incorrect. Parliament can reject a Brexit extension date suggested by the EU.
fullfact.org/europe/EU-cannot-unilaterally-extend-brexit-date/
Yes, certainly, it really needs checking.
Superficially, I found this:
“Mr Benn added: “If the European Council agrees to an extension to the 31 January 2020, then the Prime Minister must immediately accept that extension.
“If the European Council proposes an extension to a different date then the Prime Minister must accept that extension within two days, unless the House of Commons rejects it.”
https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/brexit-bill-no-deal-vote-explained-delay-date-hilary-benn-plan-today/
Para. two above seems to hit the spot. An EU imposed extension to 2030 anybody? 40, 50, ?
Guest Who,
There’s a hint or sorrow in your comment – surely the EU should be able to extend the UK Exit date to a time of its choosing – after all – when an opposition party in the British Parliament is gifted a General Election – it’s reason for. Being – it turns it down – so the madness become sane QED.
On another point – has anyone come up with the penalties the UK will suffer when A50 is withdrawn ? First Born ? Renaming those ridiculous aircraft carriers HMS Bonaparte and HMS deGaulle . ?
– or thinking on it HMS Donitz
HMS Saxe-Coburg-Gotha
And doubling the annual Danegeld they extract from us.
But the Remainiacs don’t care so long as England is destroyed.
“About Denis MacShane
Denis MacShane is a Contributing Editor at The Globalist. He was the UK’s Minister for Europe from 2002 to 2005 — and is the author of “Brexit No Exit: Why Britain Won’t Leave Europe.” [London]. Follow him @DenisMacShane”
I always like to keep an eye on what the enemy broadcasts:
In rather a ‘King Canute’ article, worthy of our own Marxist State Broadcaster, Denis MacShane, denies that European people / Brits, are waking up to where Marxists like him have been taking the populations. All the progress the anti-Globalists, anti-Communists and not forgetting, the anti-islam surge throughout Europe is dismissed as not happening.
Enjoy: “Steve Bannon: Failed Crusader”
https://www.theglobalist.com/euroskepticism-populism-steve-bannon-matteo-salvini/
I love the Wiki entry:
“Denis MacShane
Denis MacShane is a British former Labour Party politician and a convicted criminal. He was the Member of Parliament for Rotherham from 1994 to his resignation in 2012 and served in the Labour Government as Minister of State for Europe from 2002 until 2005.Wikipedia
Born:21, 1948, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, UK
Political party:Labour (suspended)
Spouse(s):Liliana Kłaptoć (1983–1986), Nathalie Pham (1987–2003)”
This Denis MacShane? Yes, this one. How do you feel about that Brucie? “Didn’t he do well”……………
MP for Rotherham? Mmmmmmmmm…………………
G
Wiki failed to mention that Mr McShane suffers from being deaf dumb and blind when it came to members of his constituency of Pakistani extraction being racist rapist paedophiles….
Radio 4 Toady; Mishal Husain plummeting listeners and an incredibly stupid line in questioning. And then I thought…
Cassandra
Fantastic picture. It occurred to me that the picture of the token, bottom right, could be replaced with several other so called worthies.
Brown, female, muslim: a shoo-in.
Btw I found this titbit on Wiki: In 2016, Husain cross examined the Burmese Leader Aung San Suu Kyi. “Kyi lost her cool following a tense interview”. It was claimed Suu Kyi was heard muttering “no one told me I was going to be interviewed by a Muslim”.
Oops.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mishal_Husain
Cass
Five stars ????
I’ve been so depressed at the shenanigans in the HoC in the last couple of days and the way it’s been reported on BBC Radio 4 Toady.
Fortunately my mood lightened when I came across a photo of the time Nick Robinson attempted to to interview Fed about his views of the bias that permeates the BBC. If I remember correctly, Fed didn’t like Nick’s sarcastic tone…
I caught a bit of Radio 5’s favourite ‘scientist’ Dr. Karl last night. He certainly has the gift of waffle!
He works on the principle of genius by association, i.e. he quotes a scientific paper title and then lets us come to the conclusion a) that he understands it and b) probably could have written it himself.
And then he waffles just a bit too much as his reading wanders into speculation. How to deal with ‘dog dump’? Easy! We just need to find a dung beetle for each species of dog!
Worried about the decline in species? Simple! Just let the dogs out and watch them crossbreed!
The MSM is biased against all brexiters,
but they need to get their message to the public,
yet every time they are on a TV or radio the hosts do their utmost to destroy them,
Where can the message be communicated from where there will be no host negativity and the audience will be large enough to be worthwhile?
What should a national broadcaster relay to its sponsors?
How about:
1) All national sporting events
2) All national and regional news
3) All matters concerning affairs of state and issues of national identity
4) Representation and celebrations of national/regional culture
5) Programs concerning public health and safety
6) National and regional weather and travel advisories
Perhaps other ‘entertainment’ items could be handled by the free market.
Apologies for any topics that I undoubtedly missed above but the California red is swirling elegantly…
1) Sporting events can be shown on commercial broadcasters, for those sports deemed of national importance (who decides?), they can be shown on free to view broadcasters such as ITV/CH5 etc
2) News is available from all types of media outlets, from SKY to vlogs, no need for a national broadcaster to be involved.
3a) Affairs of State can be viewed on a Parliament Channel, funded as part of the HoC
3b) issues of national identity. What do you mean?
4) Does National Culture need to be broadcast?
The culture will follow what the people decide, if it is found usefull it will continue, when found useless it will change, having a culture held in position, holds the people in position, going through the motions of agreeing with it, but losing trust in its message
Regional culture should be unreported, allow it to flourish with no interference from comparisons.
It is important to the local population, not to people from other areas
5) Public Health and Safety, can be informed through the Health Profession and delivered written information.
6a) Weather forecasts are innacurate, allow the populace to recognise the weather possibilities and learn by their mistakes
6b) Travel advice needs to be up to date, smart phone apps or SatNavs are capable of informing before you leave and during your journey.
.
I don’t see much need, if any, for a national broadcaster
Another church spontaneously combusts.
What’s to blame… climate crisis? Brexit?
https://twitter.com/rogueire/status/1169553544921452544
Over 800 – Eight Hundred- churches were attacked in France last year.
How many attacked in England, the info is not compiled, I have not found a list yet.
No-one talked about no-deal; or so we’re told. Lucy Thomas is sure that’s the case.
Her twitter blurb: “Former Deputy Director, Remain campaign. Ex-BBC producer, EU policy nerd.”
Her external site strapline: “Earning Trust Through Communications”.
She is typical of the Left MSM idiots that think just because they say something it makes it true – did she apologise on Twitter?
I like this Tom Harwood – a future leader of some kind
I’ve been so depressed at the shenanigans in the HoC in the last couple of days and the way it’s been reported on BBC Radio 4 Toady.
Fortunately my mood lightened when I came across a photo of the time Nick Robinson attempted to to interview Fed about his views of the bias that permeates the BBC. If I remember correctly, Fed didn’t like Nick’s sarcastic tone…
Norman Smith putting his own interpretation / spin on things AGAIN !! Just report facts Norman !!! I loath the BBC, i really do !!
Every day something utterly astonishing happens here. This is one of the most astonishing things.
This isn’t some minor family tiff. This is Jo Johnson trying to cut the political legs from under his brother in a very, very public way because he is saying in effect, ‘I don’t really trust my brother. I don’t have confidence in what he’s doing. I don’t think I can carry on as a Tory MP.’
And the timing and the fact that he’s chosen to go public with it in this way is designed to basically put the skids under his brother.
If you just think in your own circumstances in a family, if you have a row, if you have a bitter dispute, most families you keep it within the family. You don’t go public in the way Jo Johnson has done unless you really want to create mayhem.
Clearly Jo Johnson is deeply worried about his brother and what he’s doing as prime minister and where he is leading the country.
And the problem for Boris Johnson is people will think if his brother doesn’t trust him, if his brother is so worried about what he’s doing that in the national interest he thinks he has to stand down, then why on earth should anyone else trust him.
This isn’t just a personal blow – and I imagine it’s deeply wounding to Boris Johnson – but politically this is a significant moment and I would say it’s very very damagin
So why did he accept a Cabinet position just weeks ago, after Boris quite clearly campaigned on the basis of out by October 31st, come what may?
What is it about siblings in politics? Or is it just highlighting how odd politicians in general are?
And you might also ask why he resigned as a cabinet minister in the May government, for much the same reasons, only a surprisingly few months ago.
Together with ‘peoples historian’ – if alcohol-driven – Max Hastings given free rein to spit his sexually repressed spite towards Boris a few minutes before the Jo Johnson news. The BBC, so adept at kicking a man when down.
RD, maybe Bojo got all the brains and Rachel got all the looks in the Johnson family inheritance leaving Jo with neither?
…and clearly a staunch Remainer!
I’ve been thinking about this a bit more. Nothing that Boris has done has been against what had already happened before Parliament returned. It was to be expected that Boris was likely to lose the votes because of the Tory rebels. So why go now, rather than before; nothing has changed other than 21 rebels have correctly been removed. If a GE happens and they get voted back in the Tory’s are again stuffed and the hamster wheel of misery continues. Very poor show by Jo Johnson, as applied for maximum effect.
Burgsey
Their only was out is to enlist the help of UKIP and The Brexit Party.
A coalition.
@Doobster
To be fair Doobster its not just the BBC over the last few days….its right across the media.I cannot listen to O Brien and Fogarty on LBC anymore the bias is sickening as is Sky and Channel 4 etc.
Ive actually resorted to going on You Tube and listening to SKY NEWS in Australia to get balanced news coverage from my OWN country!!!…thats how desperate this is.
Incidentally I beleive the Jo Johnson story today is just another ‘smokescreen’ to take the public’s ‘eye off the ball’…….
Doobster, the BBC seemed to imply on R4 that Jo was standing down to support his brother, ie. family loyalty comes before tribal pro-Brexit/pro-Remain unlike sister Rachel?
And how do you think the Public feel Jess ??? Those who voted leave ??? She is a real piece of work, all about her , all the time.
I am so so angry !!!! Made the mistake of very briefly flicking past the 1pm BBC News, seems they decided to see what the average person “on the street” thinks about it all by interviewing some “young politics students” ( Ethnically diverse ones of course) . Yes, well, of course the viewers will get an accurate flavour of the nation`s feelings by listening to them won`t they.
@brexiteerkent
Its the new push by the BBC towards a younger audience?…they announced the other day they are pumping ‘millions’ into it across all programming………..
talking of the young.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/04/more-than-100000-people-apply-register-vote-youth-uk-general-election
100k people registered to vote over a 48 hour period in the last couple of days. One thing the marxist left are good at is mobilising foot soldiers for the cause. Most are under 34 and most, I would suggest are lib/lab comrades (the kiddie kind).
They were caught out before and have no intention of repeating the error. Add these to the student double votes and the ethnic block postal voting and patriots have a real fight on their hands. It goes without saying, it is paramount that, especially in close run constituencies, everyone who can vote must vote and must vote strategically.
its now reached 200k within 72 hours, again, mostly under 34.
I wonder if the kids at uni have received their ‘how to register twice’ instruction from their handlers? I have little confidence that the appropriate authorities have either the will nor the intention to carefully check this large spike in numbers.
All to the good eh jez?
Boris should outlaw postal voting now.
Another trick of the BBC (and all the others) when trying to demonstrate “balance” is to put those in support of Brexit first and then follow / finish off with the righteous remainers and the doom and gloom that would occur if we left. Currently they don’t have enough room for any more “Could” stories as they are focused on major Boris bashing; it is tantamount to bullying!
Away from Brexit – a story mentioned here previously but now concluded –
‘Pc Avi Maharaj, 44, used Graham and Alison Miller’s cable television account to purchase adult movies while guarding their 14-year-old son Harry’s body in the hours after his death.’
The boys’ father wrongfully thought that one of the last acts of his son before suicide – was to by porn online – instead it was a scumbag copper who even fiddled the record to explain detection .
What was that about the pubic getting the cops they deserve .
I can’t see this diverse event getting much coverage on the BBC ..
Actually they have just reported on it in the “local” (?) London bit:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-49594942
If you hadn’t “reported” on it I wouldn’t have seen it.
And I bet it won’t be covered anywhere else on the BBC…
More popcorn
Bo jo s brother quits politics to spent more time with … something else . Some day some one will have to write this farce up – and turn it into a musical .
BBC usual tricks !!! Boy, do they not like Boris . However, they seem to love Gina, the nobody who happens to be a woman, a woman of colour, anti brexit and bankrolled by Soros. Funny that .
https://twitter.com/DrGABaines/status/1169554595061882880
God, I’ve been so angry last night and today with all the remainians’ treachery in parliament yesterday. But something like this being reported by the biased BBC makes me angrier still. Johnson has not suspended parliament for five weeks. Parliament would not be sitting anyway because of the party conferences. I believe the prorogation loses only four extra sitting days for our scumbag MPs.
By the way, I am usually opposed to needless violence, but that image of Miller with a smug smile on her face gives me the urge to give her a bunch of fives.
…that of course makes you a right wing extremist!! However this particular week has probably resulted in a lot more stress related illnesses and hospitalisation for Brexit supporting people!
Sabre
You are not alone…and I hope this seething anger can be put to good use..
Big girl’s blouse: Johnson faces backlash over Corbyn jibe https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49593110
Call plod! Another one to put on the hate crime list.
Don’t think I can take any more!
I know it’s bad form to blow one’s own trumpet, but they’re so flipping predictable.
Ah, the sound of a trumpet well blown. This could end up like Trump’s pussy remarks. Hordes of demonstrates wearing pussy hats and big girl blouses.
I see there are also leftie remainian morons getting their knickers in a twist over Johnson’s “shit or bust” comment. In fact, Johnson was referring to a comment Labour’s Angela Rayner made in January last year about Labour’s own plans for the economy.
Prime Minister Johnson should double down and call Mr Corbyn a girly boy.
Nothing being reported on the backlash against Corbyn in the Labour heartlands?
– Jeremy Corbyn is desperate to become Prime Minister before he becomes too old and too incapable (although ‘some’ might say that that latter is true now)
– Some Remainers do not want another EU Referendum because they might lose again and it would be fin, over, fertig, finito, terminado … or so they think
– Some waverers (in all Parties) would prefer a General Election because it would enhance their and their Party’s standing in the House of Commons
– Some Conservative MPs and some Labour MPs do not want a GE because they are likely to lose their seats to The Brexit Party or the LibDems
– TIG/Change UK possibly don’t want a GE because they might face a loss of all seats
– Every Party except the Greens, the LibDems and, to the best of our knowledge, the SNP has some enthusiastic Brexiteers and their confidence about a choice between a GE & 2nd EU Ref will wobble about a bit depending upon the mood of the moment.
– The LibDems possibly don’t want a GE because The Brexit Party might be too strong, too appealing, in some of their seats, especially in the south-west and north-west.
– The SNP love the idea of Referendums (as do the Greens until they have one on, say, Carbon NetZero) so do not really want a GE where some of their voters may return to Labour and one million+ voters might elect a Conservative majority to represent Scotland at Westminster
Apparently, Boris is making a speech oop nawth today and his Party is planning to offer the HoC a second chance at a General Election next Monday.
I wonder if he will say, “Your choice, a General Election or I’ll bring another vote before the House for an alternative because you leave me no choice.” “If you reject a General Election Bill, I will offer an alternative.”
He then keeps very quiet (unlikely for Boris) until some days after 9th September.
I can’t see the MPs voting for a GE.
There will be about 500 of them likely to lose their seat as they are traitors to the referendum result and their pledge to leave the eu in their manifestos.
500 remainers asking for leaver votes so that they can betray them again.
It’s very unlikely.
The MPs are terrified of a GE because even the thickest of them (lots of competition) realise their days will be numbered.
They are safe until 2022 if they can avoid a GE.
They will keep finding excuses to avoid a GE.
They will ask for and get more and more concessions, bank them and then want more.
…its because the opposition “remain” parties are effectively Governing the Country now. Its a perverse situation which should not be allowed to continue, but you are right, the longer this goes on, the more likely we are going to see more left wing policies being put forward. The only hope (which is pretty likely) is that they will all start fighting each other!!
EG, I think right now the MPs will not vote for a fresh EU Referendum either. Think the penny may be starting to drop that they and Theresa May have successfully re-united a divided nation: the nation against them, the people against their previously elected representatives. If I was in Bojo’s shoes, I’d hold off until as close to 31 October as possible and then drop the Referendum bomb.
The British are very placid compared to their barricading, rioting, tractor tire burning equivalents in Europe. But when pushed by unreasonable and implacable ‘officialdom’ they will merely respond with a stiff “Non.” learned when holidaying abroad.
MPs: “We want to keep the UK tied to the EU.” The people “Non.”
MPs: “We don’t wish to leave without a deal.” The people “Non.”
MPs: “We must have the final say.” The people “Non.”
No rioting, no burning tyres, no ports blockaded but I blame 1066 and all that. 🙂
The bbc news channel devotes 90% coverage to Labour or other anti-government parliamentarians. In the last hour they took us to the House of Lords where we had to listen to people like Lord Kerr, rambling on about his hero, Ken Clarke, and climbing on to the ‘no trust’ bandwagon. Back to ‘Afternoon Live’, in front of a EU flag bedecked parliament.
This time we have Labour MP Mary Cray (having previously had Labour MP, Jack Dromey) pushing the newly-discovered ‘no trust’ line. Briefly: Labour cannot have an election, even if their bill receives royal assent, because they ‘cannot trust Boris’ , and need first to see him implementing their wishes. They are also prepared to ‘take over government’, to prevent the ‘crashing out’ over the ‘cliff edge’. Surprise!
Of course, beeb have grabbed with both hands, the resignation of Jo Johnson, a godsend for Labour’s ‘no trust’ theme. We won’t stop hearing about that, endlessly. Little Chris Mason, Norman Smith and Simon Mc Coy are very excited about it.
More than ever, the beeb is now unashamedly a propaganda channel for the anti-government cause. as I write, Simon has brought on arch EU fan, Ken Clarke, to take up the ‘brother’s conflict’ theme. Ken says he has ‘every sympathy’ with Jo, who was ‘a very good minister’. He says the Tory party looks like the Brexit Party. He sounds like Labour, all the way.
No publicity for Boris who is doing something irrelevant, talking to the people in west Yorkshire. Talking to the people! How astonishing! Beeb seems shocked that someone has actually remembered THE PEOPLE. They shouldn’t be in this, should they? Why have real people, when you can have parliamentarians all the way?
Now we have someone from the Green Party. She says they cannot trust government. Crashing out. Cliff edge. parrot after parrot after parrot.
The bbc pet-shop.
I think the beeb should simply run a tape with those favoured phrases.
That will save a lot of licence fee payer’s money. Simon and Norman and little Chris can then go home. So can Vicky Young. We can listen to chuckling beeb buddy, John McDonnell, wall to wall. Simply put him on replay, beeb. He is so merry, just like Father Christmas!
Parrots, parrots, parrots on the bbc pet-shop. One hardly knows whether one is listening to questioner or questioned. They sound so similar. Same old, same old.
This is really a disgrace!
Oh wait, they’ve found one of ‘the people’. It’s a youngster who worked for May. I now expect the bbc pet-shop to actually put the No10 cat on live, next, then we could have a cat among the parrots.
That should be more entertaining than the beeb propaganda programme, pretending to be ‘the news’.
I hope to god Johnson doesn’t give in to the rising crescendo and allow the 21 back into the party. This is one of his most powerful actions and it sends out the harsh but disciplined message that the government line must be maintained if brexit is to be achieved and agenda pushers will not be tolerated. Its the only way.
If nothing else goes his way, this one action and the shock and surprise of those on the end of it (fifth column remainers) was worth the ride.
Getting rid of the 21 shows that he means serious business. It is all very well saying bold things but this time we have someone who actually done that. They caused him this mess so he has booted them out. They can be replaced and bi-elections will take place. Rumours have it that whats his name who crossed the floor the other day has had a NC vote against him.
It is a Tory safe seat so I feel that a Brexit Tory should stand. Not that the BBC would be happy about that of course!
(might have been mentioned before on here),, but I see Michael Howard has come forward and agreed that Boris did the right thing in ousting the 21 because he had no other option. Had they remained and an election was fought and won, then the situation would remain the same, – a split government. A shame a few other old ‘big beasts’ haven’t come out on the side of BJ.
…but also should play well with his standing on the basis an election comes along. He nailed his colours to the mast pretty early on and has been undermined by Parliament. This should bode well for him on the basis an election happens, as certainly Leave voters will recognise that is actions were proactive. However, the remoaning MP’s on the other side of the Commons will only go to the Polls if they think they can win. They are now very nervous and are using the “No Deal” issue as an excuse.
Johnson is the innocent man here. Things were not going to be easy for him. The majority was already weakened during May’s time and he was the one who wanted to pick up the pieces.
All this mess is now caused by Corbyn and his gang of selfish and anti social, anti British traitors who are going to get hit hard when that GE comes along
My big worry in a GE, are all the kids in uni who are of a socialist persuasion, and tend to vote 2, 3 or 4 times – depending on how many registered addresses they own. I know this to be the case, because I’ve spoken to a student and his mates who have admitted to doing this – and when I said it was illegal, they just shrugged and said, “well no-one has picked up on it, or stopped us”.
We’re a banana republic without the bananas.
BBC are in full overdrive. Luciana Berger was on TWAO today, which was pretty much wholly dedicated to the remain agenda and major Boris bashing again! She sounded and behaved exactly like the mad Jo Swinson. But what gets me, is when they say the line that go something like: “We cant trust Boris and the Tories as all they want is a “crash out” No Deal Brexit which will cause chaos etc”. That is clearly not what Boris Johnson has said. His strategy is to leave No Deal on the table to get a better deal. That hope has been scuppered yet again and we are hoping back on the hamster wheel again as the Country now drifts into recession. My point is the BBC (and mainstream media) NEVER challenge this statement regarding “crashing out” which is clearly untrue. Fuming!
Comments could, indeed, be…
Alison, from Sheffield, doubtless thrilled they contacted the BBC, or the BBC somehow got hold of her.
Please explain to me why Boris is so keen on an election.
His job is to leave the EUSSR.
What happened to the Electoral Commission? SFA.
What was done about the rigged by-election postal votes? SFA.
Anyone who believes a General Election will be free and fair is deluded.
The EU will pour even more of our money into the propaganda war.
They will cheat us again.
LCS,
I agree with your sentiments, however, unless boris has a hidden card up his arse, which I very much doubt, then the numbers game in parliament, still 70% remain will defeat him or anyone else angling for an eu exit. Ergo, the numbers in parliament must be changed. A risky strategy definitely but probably the only way out now.
In my view of course.
Oh, and haven’t given up on other courses should my vote be downgraded and rendered second class compared to those who lost. Awaiting the legal recourse to have its way first, being the democrat that I am.
Last
I think the Gen election card is the last chance to get a Parliament with MPs who reflect their constituents .
Maybe if it happens again the candidates who stand on leave manifestos will really mean it . Or maybe traitors with different faces will turn up and screw the majority again before 31 October .
I fear you are right. Something went seriously wrong in Peterborough, but was covered up. It will happen again on an industrial scale at any GE, with Labour winning more seats than you would expect…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-49578100
Some might call him a traitor, the eu.bc would give him a knighthood!
andy,
from the BBBC eulogy.
‘His attempts to prevent a no-deal Brexit have led him to be cast out of the Conservative Party, which he first joined while studying at Cambridge University in the 1950s.’
Let me correct that for you.
‘His attempts to subvert the highest democratic vote that this country has seen led him to be cast out of the Conservative Party, which he first joined while studying at Cambridge University in the 1950s.’
Better, and far more accurate.
Now we all know that when the BBC have an anti Tory theme then where best to go than to a Northern mining town?
Are these the same towns who are now slamming Corbyn for his betrayal?
‘Never vote Corbyn!’ Even mining town Castleford switching Tory in fury at Brexit betrayal’
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1174010/jeremy-corbyn-latest-brexit-latest-news-castleford
Can one of the Remainers please explain why we must stay and not just start the reply with negatives . What are the positives if any?
John
The remainer argument is the continuation and expansion of the four ‘ freedoms’ .
Then there is the notional power of being a big block as the world forms into a number of powers which are super .
Also – at basic – integrating nation states into a supra national entity with one defence organisation will stop another European War.
The reality – of course – is a bit different .
( see free movement of labour destroying pay and public services – as well as national identity )
I can now see clearly what is actually happening with Boris and the Brexit fiasco.
All the shouters who want to kill off a no deal brexit in law before any election etc can take place are playing right into the hands of the EU masters.
The EU mandarins know that if no deal has been taken off the table in the UK by law they then have free-reign to reject or make difficult any suggested deal forcing no-leave as the only option, which is what they really want and nothing less.
Our own MP’s are falling into this trap like sheep.
The only thing that will make the EU concentrate on a two-way deal is the prospect of no deal so why throw this way.
I cannot believe the utter stupidity of those from the UK so hell-bent on trashing our only bargaining chip!
Digg
You don’t get it . The 500 plus support the EU . They don’t want any deal as we are staying . The uk civil service have helped them through the various leaks and non negotiation since the referendum .
It’s simple – electorate against state . In other jurisdictions the lamp posts might have been used for functions other than lighting .
Once we are fully tied in again and a50 withdrawn the EU project will move on to the next level of ‘ integration ‘ and expansion .
MPs have not been ‘ had over ‘ its Brexiters . The last card is a General election and possibly the Monach actually getting involved – but that is unlikely because the monachy sees itself more important than the people .
Ahem, Fed. Second para, inappropriate for a Moderator and anyway il Fascismo are on the Remain side. ‘We’ are on the side of liberation.
I hope Bojo is not another Theresa May which is what I think digg was worrying about out loud in his post.
Hopefully, Bojo is still a full-on Brexiteer and a much shrewder, sharper, operator than the erstwhile PM.
Up2
I disagree – in other jurisdictions the parliament would have been under attack by now or and occupied .
I’m being a very moderate moderator as I cannot write what I believe should happen if What the voters voted for does not happen .
During the referendum debates the likes of Nigel Farage repeated the view that this is not just about trade and the price of tomatoes . It’s about self determination and proper represention – as is currently being seen – the same behaviour of the EU is being mirrored in both the commons and the useless lords- which sold out pretty quick .
Up2 – what I have written does not contravene any public order or telecommunications acts and in my view is not actionable civility either . No torts are involved .
“Ahem, Fed. Second para, inappropriate for a Moderator and anyway il Fascismo are on the Remain side. ‘We’ are on the side of liberation.”
But if decisions which have been made by a democratic referendum, granted to the people following parliamentary debate, are being suppressed by undemocratic means, what are we supposed to do? Continue to ask nicely? We generally support violence elsewhere when it is used to oppose tyranny and to establish democracy.
I see it as a pact: we vote in good faith and parliament enacts those decisions. If they fail to do so on something as important as this, the pact has been broken and we take what we want; the gloves come off. Democracy is hard won and easily lost. Try reversing a ratchet.
No surprisingly, there is little discussion in the MSM about what will happen if Brexit is stopped. Democracy is already under strain. Parts of the country have been transformed into somewhere else without our permission. Freedom of speech is being lost. Do they really think that Leavers will shrug their shoulders, say “never mind”, and just carry on as before? If Brexit is stopped, things will not be the same again. There will be serious discontent and concern about what else is going to be taken away. Resentment will fester and elections will be treated with increasing contempt.
Helen
I express a view which is not based on hate but based on what happens elsewhere .
I’ve written here before recently that what is not needed is another MP roughed up or worse so that the Remainers can show the injuries and use it as a propaganda weapon to shape the future of the UK in the EU .
It would be used on the same way as the likes of Owen Jones did for his tiff outside a pub at 2 in the morning .
As Up2 will spot – I’ve partially broken my own guidance about focusing on bbc bias but I’m afraid my mental health prevents me from exposure to the BBC at the moment – excepted for the GG tips on R4 in the morning .
Snookered was tipped today and won at 3/1 down from 5/1 . I put a euro on it ….
Helen, I know that many people operate in politics on the basis “nice guys don’t win” and “polite, well-mannered behaviour, only gives opponents extra time to thump you” but if we reduce ourselves to the state of the Remain opposition, we not only lose our moral standing, we lose our character and integrity.
It was that moral standing, character and integrity that got many East Europeans through 40+ years of persecution, imprisonment, deprivation and torture. It earned them the respect and prayers and material help of many in the West. Go check it out.
They won in the end.
🙂
We have to keep using the Ballot box. The Euro Elections taught us as much. We have to keep on being the nice guys.
“…..that got many East Europeans through 40+ years of persecution, imprisonment, deprivation and torture”
Is that what we might have to look forward to? Sorry but I don’t find that very persuasive.
Don’t agree anyway. Communism collapsed under the weight of its intrinsic absurdity. It doesn’t follow that whatever the bureaucrats in Brussels have in store would go the same way. Furthermore, and more importantly, the open borders zealots can inflict irreversible damage such that “moral standing, character and integrity” would count for precisely nothing. This is not Britain ca 1914 or 1939, it is a Britain where a “Rotherham” can happen, where comedians can be prosecuted and where freedom of speech is regarded as “far right”. We are well into a project started by Blair. It is alien in many respects and if the likes of Merkel continue to have their way, it will become more so, and fine words will mean nothing.
And lastly, how can we “keep using the Ballot box” when people who vote the wrong way are told to think again? The EU has form on this.
Maybe, Helen.
I can see a future within the EU, whether or not the UK are still in it, where people become so disheartened that they stop voting. The EU president at the time may well then declare “People do not vote. We therefore abandon elections.”
All semblance of democracy will be gone. The State will have complete control. There will be dissenters of course. And they may well be dealt with increasing harshly.
There is nothing new under the sun. We have seen this happen before.
I think Communism collapsed because of its complete lack of moral integrity, its atheism and economics. A EUNation clampdown will come because of its complete lack of moral integrity, its atheism and economics. A contradiction? No.
Will the EUNation collapse like the Communist hegemony?
Maybe, if there is still time before ‘the end’. You already outline things that happen when the ‘old (human) nature’ takes charge.
It may be the end.
That is another reason to keep voting Leave and to get out of the EUNation as fast and as far as possible.
Up2 “ we have to keep using the Ballot box” . What a dumb comment when we are faced with a PM – yes a PM – trying to dissolve his own government in order to get a General Election in order to deliver on what 17.4 million people voted for or something else .
Your ballot box is close to being of little value any more . As for the line about ‘nice guys ‘ – the 17.4 million nice guys have had to sit and watch for over three years as they have been undermined , accused of being thick , racists , little englanders and the year whilst being lied to with ‘Brexit means brexit ‘.
So if they are deprived of the ballot box – guess what will come next . And the state monitors of this site can add that to their ‘tension indicators ‘
Absolutely right – People against parliament – In any other era blood would be shed – still time for it regrettably. Hyperbole? I hope not. They no not what they do.
SPC
I would think some of the few clever people who run the State must be truly worried about the prospect of a General Election because I Fear it will be very very nasty . The BBC of course will love it because they’ll blame any trouble on The Brexit Party in that standard propaganda book way …
Even now I can hear Tourette’s Robinson wandering aloud as to how “ such a terrible thing ( a physical attack on a prospective MP”… could happen in placid Blighty ? In his false mystified voice ..
…its simple, they are all Remainers.
This country faces a hard fight.
Granted it isn’t the same as the hard fights in various wars but the ‘enemy’ in this instance is far more insidious and difficult to see. When he is being offered so much protection and screening by the establishment and media, it is harder to galvanise support to attack the enemy when he is hiding in the shadows.
That for me is the big fear.
When our mettle was tested by a clear and easily definable enemy, we rose to the challenge. When the enemy is within and harder to see, the task to confront and defeat him is, and will be, much harder.
Payne, “When our mettle was tested by a clear and easily definable enemy, we rose to the challenge. When the enemy is within and harder to see, the task to confront and defeat him is, and will be, much harder.”
Quite right. Thanks to Theresa May, the enemy within has been identified. Ironically, she could have won ‘the war’ with a well-timed resignation. Instead, she is now looked upon as a failure. I just hope that Boris Johnson is the right choice to finish the fight.
I sense a hardening, a stiffening of national resolve – “We want this finished.”, something that was maybe lost in a haze of alcohol and weed smoke in the 1960s to 2010s. The snowflakes are still there but if the experts are to be believed, they all voted Remain.
The Leave voters are made of sterner stuff.
And after all this how many of you are still paying the Telly Tax?
pug, as ‘they’ say: there is one born every minute.
Can Boris ask the Queen to refuse ‘Royal assent’ or whatever it is called?
I still do not have a clear answer and fed up with all this now
There’s a view on that on Guido, smoogie. May I leave you to do a search?
I will have a look
I think he could, but clearly, does not intend to. He wants an election, AFTER the ‘no nodeal’ bill has been passed, so doesn’t sound likely.
If, as seems likely, Boris will have no choice but to reluctantly ask for an extension, this is what he should do. Write and sign a formal letter requesting an extension, seal it in an envelope, and place it on the ‘table’ in the HoC in front of Corbyn, and say ‘if you want it, you deliver it’. The bBBC could then show live uninterrupted coverage of Jeremy (helicopters in the sky, et al) delivering the surrender document to his chums in Brussels.
Left media (pretty much it all) including BBC in full attack mode on Boris and Pence.
Good old Vickie Young – one of the Beebs expensive mouthpieces, inane mumbles about Boris and his brothers resignation after Boris’s Yorkshire speech just now. She used to be such a nice, sensible girl.
Boris needs to resign as PM he has clearly lost it. If he does resign what are the implications for the “we are stopping in the EU bill” ….can the country be without a prime minister? If that’s what it takes to delay the bill then do it Boris.
The EU will move the goalposts to keep us in . They want and need our money, without the UK the EU is finished.
There is an election in the air and there is another Tory MP about to go, has Al Beeb reported it yet?………………
taffman, even though the EU bill for the UK is £20bn and climbing, split between the other net contributors it is small beer. They don’t ‘need’ us, they merely ‘want’ us tied in to the EU nation.
As the integration of the member States continues, they don’t want an obviously prosperous former member on the edge of the EUNation.
Up2
I question both your numbers and view – I believe that the UK contribution is more than the combination of at least 20 of the smaller states – and that the krauts and UK are the main contributors to keep the EU plans going .
If A50 is not withdrawn before the final council of ministets meeting @17 October it will be interesting to see whether Macron follows through on effectively expelling the UK by not extending A50.
I think they’d like to see us gone because we are hopefully more trouble than we are worth ( see 29 Brexit Party MEPs ) .
Fed, there are five other contributors, I think – am posting from memory so could be wrong: Germany, France, Belgium, The Netherlands and Italy. Luxembourg should be as the richest country in Europe, as should Norway as an associate trade (UK MPs beware!) member, also with enormous wealth but they are not. Says a lot about the EU that does. A certain amount of National Socialism in action, in my view.
Divide our £20bn+ up between five = £4bn each. These days, £2bn is considered ‘down the back of the sofa money’ in those five countries in their big spending Ministries, as it is in ours. If you doubt that, just look at Boris Johnson’s and Sajid Javid’s recent spending statements.
The EU does not need us as they did in 1972 and especially in 1980/1981. They want us there as customers and because they do not want a prosperous independent former member just offshore.
The EU is in economic decline. It is about to start a further round of tax harmonisation as part of its nationhood status. The Euro has significant fault lines that require a major revolution in EU thinking and behaviour to correct. Old, much cherished principles will have to be abandoned. The Poles have made it quite clear they are only remaining as members while the EU handouts continue. Ireland may well suffer when we leave and may start to look longingly at the UK’s position. Then there is the problem of the collapse of the EU’s borders that the unilateral (illegal by normal EU standards) action of Angela Merkel has created. That is already a cause of friction throughout the EUNation.
Where you may be right is that Germany may well hanker for us as members, not for the money we contribute, but to moderate the colossal future thumping that they are likely to get from Greece, Italy, the Low Countries and France.
Up2snuff,
I have to respectfully disagree with you as I believe the EU does need us financially. It isn’t just about the UK’s direct financial contribution. There are approx. 3M eastern Europeans the UK; obviously, we don’t know the exact number. Given the UK effectively enjoys full employment the vast majority, if not all of these eastern Europeans, are in work (and working bloody hard by my personal experience). By contrast, eastern Europe has high unemployment. The money these people send home and their absence from their native dole queues makes a huge and positive difference to that region’s economy. Imagine the effect on eastern Europe of 3M people returning to find no work available. The EU knows this.
Steve, you are most welcome to disagree. Good to hear from you. That’s an interesting view but I think it runs short on supporting facts.
We are being told that “we have full employment in the UK” by the BBC at regular intervals but that is a calumny. We have 1.3 million unemployed. One point three million people in the UK do not have paying jobs. There may be more who are ‘economically inactive’.
The EU may wish to send us more unemployed but no sane Government or Opposition are going to accept that and see the UK Benefits spending continue to climb. Past UK Governments have been forced to take action on that.
We do not at present have Government or Opposition who wish to send existing European resident workers home. Why would we? If they are in work then they are likely to be making some contribution, if only buying food and other goods in UK supermarkets.
Think you are mistaken on East European employment, too. I think it is southern Europe, the Mediterranean EU, that has the high unemployment. Poland is now doing well economically, and some of the former Yugoslav federation States are in recovery. The Czechs, Slovaks & Hungarians were always likely to forge ahead once they were freed from the curse of Communism.
What they will do with the EU when they are asked to pay instead of receive will be interesting to observe. Hopefully from outside the EU. 😉
Up2snuff,
You make some good points. I wasn’t suggesting for a moment that we send any workers back as we need them. You are quite right, employment rates are pretty good in eastern Europe. What is probably luring workers here is much higher pay. I still think the UK’s contribution to the EU is much greater than just the direct payments.
Steve, the only problem with that is that a £ earned in UK now doesn’t buy as much as it did in East European currencies or the Euro as it did in 2005, 2010 and 2015.
It is said that €1.10 – €1.14:£1 has been enough to drive some Poles back to Poland.
Wouldn’t disagree with your last sentence. The prime factor affecting it is currency movements.
Let’s say we do manage to escape the EU and in time Sterling recovers its TradeWeightedDepreciation (TWD – overall measure of an individual currency valued against a basket of other currencies) to about 90%. ← Might take a while. (Tongue in cheek, eyes rolled upwards.)
Then, you may be right, Eurozone dwellers from East and South may well be wanting to escape and come here to earn short-term or longer. That would be a problem for the EU. Doesn’t really exist right now.
It is also a problem for Scotland (esp. if they vote for and gain independence) and Ireland. The continual population drain is or could be a problem for them.
Curious about E Europe so I found this:
Unemployment rate in member states of the European Union in May 2019
Greece, Spain, Italy and France not doing well. Portugal is better for some reason. Finland is surprisingly high – I thought it was one of those Scandinavian countries that got everything right.
At the other end, Poland and Romania only slightly worse than UK. Czech Republic has lowest unemployment – no idea why.
This assumes that all member states use the same data and that it is reliable.
With regard to “full employment”, I’d suggest there are two types – literal full employment, which will never be 100% outside N Korea, and employment fully available for those who actually want it. We know all about those who don’t.
Helen, “Czech Republic has lowest unemployment – no idea why.”
The Czechs and the Hungarians are wonderful, naturally inventive, creative, peoples. Before WW2 they were both producing inventions, had manufacturing industries and were ‘up there’ with the modern world. WW2 and Communism dealt them both cruel blows.
It is interesting how nations, freed from overwhelming oppression can blossom and bloom again. A thought to set against the ongoing colossal negativity of Remainers in the UK?
Am glad you discovered the stats. Is that the EU’s w/s? That’s the one I usually go to. That is another thing I find amazing about the whole EU debate in UK: how little Remainers know about the EU yet the info is all there, in history books, on web-sites, etc..
On unemployment, I’m old enough to remember the 1960s without having fully participated. Grew up listening to Alvar Lidell reading the news on the wireless, giving out Govt. & Market statistics, while sitting at Dad’s knee. I remember the point when unemployment was less than half what it is now. (Even then, people were concerned that there were a significant percentage of Welfare scroungers.)
When we get unemployment down to about 1%, then that will be the time for celebration. That will be full employment.
Didn’t mean to denigrate Czechs when I said “no idea why”, just wondering why unemployment is so exceptionally low.
You’re right about blossoming and blooming. I don’t understand why so many people think the EU in its present direction is necessary. But then it makes sense if you view it as part of a long-term political/ideological project rather than a pragmatic, economic one. Germany again.
Helen, the reply button has gone missing on your post below. I didn’t think you were ‘denigrating Czechs’ or anyone else but merely wondering why they should have low unemployment. All I did was to try and suggest why.
On subject of E.Europe it has always puzzled me why, after the fall of the Iron Curtain, the Eastern European States did not organise themselves into an EU equivalent … but better. They, in I think a relatively short space of time, would have found a great deal of inward investment as a trading bloc on the edge of the EU.
Obviously, the seductive lure of EU handouts and other silver-tongued promises were too much to resist. That is how the EU works; buying influence and eventually control.
Here’s yet another story the world’s most trusted and funded seem to have inexplicably missed, which is strange given it concerns 2 of al beeb’s favourite topics, namely islam and wimmin’s rights.
Iranian women’s rights activist, 20, is jailed for 15 years for refusing to wear a hijab.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7402503/Iranian-activist-20-jailed-15-years-spreading-prostitution-taking-hijab.html
Just stupidly put on Radio 4s PM to catch up with this afternoon’s propaganda. Started with Jo Johnson of course and then went from one whinging Remainer to another.
Then came a really aggressive interview (aired about 17.20) someone babbling / stuttering on, damning and criticising Boris: „We’ve got him on the ropes … Nobody trusts him … He’s a 100% loser, a loser and a liar“ – he kept on and on repeating it without the interviewer making any attempt to interrupt him.
„That’s the big controversy in broadcasting, Evan, when people lie you have to call them liars … that will be on my memo to the party leadership of what our slogan should be.“
What pompous drivel …
„He must cancel the progrogation – we don’t know if it’s legal“ / „He’s abusing the office of Prime Minister“ (Ahemm, what was that about lying?)
„We need a snap election next week … We’d be following the national interest here, not the party political interest – the best thing to do would be to hang him out to dry but if there has to be an election let’s amend to (?) it … and so LETS HAVE VOTES FOR 16/ VOTING AT 16“ at which point „Evan“? actually butted in and said „Well, yes of course because that benefits you“…
Good grief, they really must be running scared. Hope there’s no way they can just do that??
It was so appalling I ran it back a few minutes to see who this guy is …
Ah, yes, Paul Mason – what a **** surprise! … I’ve switched off – can’t stand it any longer.
BBC isn’t celebrating US Coast Guard rescue missions in the Bahamas.
We are only repeatedly told about how destructive the storm was –
They didn’t report that POTUS sent the VP to Poland for the WW2 commemoration so that he could show willing for the hurricane – or that Mr Pence gave the creapy Irish PM a talking too about Brexit in public when he popped into Dublin at the weekend.