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Excellent PUG.
“A decision to prorogue Parliament will be unlawful if the prorogation has the effect of frustrating or preventing, without reasonable justification, the ability of Parliament to carry out its constitutional functions as a legislature and as the body responsible for the supervision of the executive.”
Surely it should be argued that the “reasonable justification” was that the Government was attempting to carry out its constitutional function by preventing Parliament from continuously frustrating and impeding the elected Government in its obligation to respect the will of the people as expressed in the referendum of 2016.
Front page of the Yorkshire Post ..print edition
West Yorkshire
Five victims of child sexual exploitation are suing West Yorkshire Police over alleged failures in their cases, The Yorkshire Post can reveal.
(that’ll be for Huddersfield/Leeds NOT Rotherham, though the online text mentions that there 400+ claims against Yorkshire councils)
The online version has been toned down, as it omits this which is on the front page of the printed edition
” .. since the Jay report revealed that at least 1,400 victims had been abused in Rotherham over 16 years, largely at the hands of grooming gangs involving men of Pakistani heritage.
That 1,400 is old, it was first increased to 1,510 and then up more
ITV “Operation Stovewood, which has identified 1,523 victims”
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/cse-victims-suing-west-yorkshire-police-over-alleged-failures-1-10012073
3% of political adverts on UK Facebook failed to declare the funder
and were therefore often removed by Facebook
A big spender was Alex Salmond who spent £10K to promote hit RT TV show
Wonder if those judges will now make their emails, letters, PCs, Laptops, tweets available to the public/correct sources?.
Surely when Thomas Cook went bankrupt there could have been procedure whereby the biz is temporarily run by a trust or government for a week or two so that existing planes and crew can run to get people home
..instead of hiring a fresh lot of planes and crew.
The idea is that TC planes have be grounded in the UK
so that they can’t be seized abroad by the leasees who are owed money.
But that shouldn’t be an insurmountable problem for government.
That “safe wind-down time” would allow everyone some breathing space.
Parliament against the people.
BBC against the people.
Now the Judiciary against the people.
Time for ‘the people’ to bite back – our turn will come.
Every dog has his day.
i think its time for war with parliament
Fiter, the Ballot box is all that is needed. The question of every MP candidate should now be “Do you want the UK to make a clean and total break with the EU; are you Leave or Remain?”
If they equivocate or state the latter then do not vote for them if you want to leave the EU.
Corbyn and Co. have made it plain that they will confuse the issue, as Harold Wilson did in the February 1974 General Election with all sorts of fiscal and other bribes.
The issue will have to be brought back again and again to Brexit because the next General Election will be another Referendum, effectively, on whether the EU controls our Parliament or whether we do.
Lady Hale may have done democrats a big favour.
Up2snuff
Just vote for The Brexit Party.
Simples
taffman, agreed.
Prior to that, we need to ask family & friends “Do you want the UK to be subsumed, incorporated, into the EUNation. If so, why?”
If they reply “No.” get them to make sure their vote reflects that wish.
Corbyn, and more specifically John McDonnell, have already been working in their diversionary tactics, such as the 32 hour working week. It will be important to ensure that family, friends, neighbours, all know this is the most vital vote in history.
The upside of all this?
There should not be a lonely old person, an unknown neighbour, disconnected family, anywhere in the UK after the next General Election or 2nd Referendum!
When Greta Thunberg is railing at adults with her contorted face for having her “dreams and childhood stolen”, she really should be levelling the finger at her parents for pumping her full of this groundless nonsense.
Calm down love, the polar bears aren’t dying, the ice caps aren’t all melting and ecosystems aren’t collapsing.
Parents are meant to tell their children fairytales to stoke their imagination, not fill their head with insane nonsense that they pass off as factual to terrorise them every waking moment.
I really have to question their parenting skills. I mean Christ, how would they have acted when there was an actual real threat like maybe during the second world war? Would they have tried to shield and protect their child to retain their innocence for as long as possible or just said to her every night “sweet dreams Greta, hopefully the Nazi’s won’t kick in our front door tomorrow and drag you off to a cold and dirty work camp”.
I mean Christ, how would they have acted when there was an actual real threat like maybe during the second world war?
Sweden remained Neutral in WWII but it co-operated with the Nazis, selling them vital war resources such as bearing races. Apparantly they also sold them to us, but there was never any question of them having their doors kicked in by Nazis.
They also allowed German troops to cross Swedish territory in order to invade Norway.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_of_German_troops_through_Finland_and_Sweden
Yeah, I think you are taking my example a bit too literally. I thought this would be an easier example to digest than talking about the attacks by the Russians, Danish/Norwegians and Polish/Lithuanian Commonwealth in the early 1700’s.
I think one of the most amusing things to have come out of the Supreme court ruling is the effect that Parliament was never prorogued at all.
Many of our MPs are not very bright and lack foresight completely. To them as with Cameron – unforseen consequence is a concept completely alien to their tiny minds.
Knowing that there was a legal challenge to the prorogation some of them have gone away on holiday abroad and are supposed to return home on the next available flight. In normal circumstances the state would refund the cost of the missed holiday, plus the flights, but because Parliament has never been prorogued they will have to shell out themselves.
Parliament should have been in recess for the conference season but the ruling has allowed Bercow and the remainers to seize control. As Farage has said, it has turned out to have been a major miscalculation on Johnsons part.
Lets hope there are a lack of available flights whilst the repatriation of Thomas Cook holidaymakers takes place.
Considering the legal tactics used by Gina Miller and her cohorts and funders I fully expect that they are now busy working on the final step. Getting the Supreme Court to rule that the Brexit result was illegal in some nefarious way.
I would not at all be surprised if this came oozing out of the rotten slime in the next couple of weeks.
They have tried and succeeded with this tactic so far with the massive support of the Judges so they have nothing to lose by trying the final push. I am sure that have a raft of skanky Lawyers busy on this right now and throwing money at it courtesy their bottomless Global backers.!
If she fails and we do get out of the EU I sincerely hope that this woman will export herself to another Country to try to grab the power reins and colonise it for her chums. I am sure she is reviled by the majority of people in this Country now!
Well, if Gina Miller continues to stick her nose further into our democratic process when things don’t go her way, then I’d be worried about going out alone at night if it were me.
Something to cheer us up from the UK Press Gazette today ——
“The BBC has upheld a complaint that claimed Emily Maitlis was “sneering and bullying” towards columnist Rod Liddle during a live Newsnight discussion.
The BBC’s internal executive complaints unit found that Maitlis was too “persistent and personal” in her criticism of Liddle during the discussion on 15 July, leaving her open to claims she had “failed to be even-handed”.
Liddle, Spectator associate editor and a columnist for the Sun, was part of a discussion about Brexit with Maitlis and Tom Baldwin, director of communications for the People’s Vote campaign.
I wonder what BBC N. America’s ‘analysis’ was?
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2019/09/23/cbs-claims-radical-climate-teen-stares-down-trump-she-was
On hearing the Supreme Court verdict this morning, and watching the antics of the Remainers, and the predictable media coverage, I felt physically sick. For a moment, I recalled that wonderful morning of the referendum result, when the air was filled with the heady scent of victory, and the world was about to witness what real democracy was all about. People, in faraway places yearning to be free, would witness how the British electorate, who enthusiastically went to the polls in their millions, would have their decision implemented by the Mother of all Parliaments. Little did I realise, over three years later, that the whole wonderful process would be soured and the biggest democratic vote in our history would be dismissed, and looked upon as an abomination, by the very people who had our trust. How I despise those people. The list is endless. Cameron, May, Hammond, Soubry, Grieve, Corbyn, Swinson, Clarke, Bercow, etc. (You can now add to that list the eleven Supreme Court judges.) Oh, the joy of revolution in those countries not tainted with democracy, where your enemies can be lined up against a wall and ….
up, take your revenge at the Ballot Box at the very next opportunity.
I hope it is soon.
It could be a long time. This guy predicted the Supreme Court decision and seems to have an idea that we won’t be having a GE before a second referendum where 16 year olds will vote
You could be right on that, G.W.F.. Part of Bojo’s bungle is that it has so enraged MPs that there is now a sizeable faction, who aided by The Speaker, could now take the EU negotiating and Parliamentary business ball away from Boris and not let him play at all.
I do actually find myself wondering how wholehearted Bojo is for Brexit and cannot, after the Theresa May debacle, help but wonder if Bojo was either a Remainer plant, a stoolie, or has been ‘bought’ since the Referendum. He and Cummins appear to be strategically inept.
They will now have to be totally precise in what is said, what is done and when and very, very, careful out there.
Boris is pressing on with Brexit regardless ?
Anything on Al Beeb about this yet ?
Is he nailing his colours to the mast because he knows if we don’t get out he is finished and the Tory Party is finished?
His and this nation’s only salvation is join hands with The Brexit Party, remember that the Torys have already jumped into bed with the LimpDems , Nick Clegg etc. What don’t the Torys like about The Brexit Party .
There is a General Election on the way …………………..
taffman
I fear Treezer’s deal is being unwrapped
Boris’s secret weapon.
All these MPs calling for a second referendum where the question is a choice between remain and some brino deal have got it completely wrong.
We have already voted out.
The only possible question now for a second referendum (which is a travesty anyway) can only be leave with no deal or whatever dog’s breakfast of a deal they manage to get.
I wouldn’t even hold that referendum (laughingly called ‘the people’s vote’)
Maybe in another 40 years time they can have a rejoin referendum……..with a 60% threshold to enact it, just as they want referendums to be.
Actually, if they have their beloved people’s vote now then that should have their 60% pass mark otherwise we leave.
The Supreme Court got it wrong. The big spider is in error.
Needless to say, the bbC are crowing. Laura K. is having a big thrill. Getting carried away on news at 6pm. Clive Coleman is almost even more excited. Must be the Gina Miller effect.
Referendum result all forgotten. 11 little judges are more important than the people.
‘Historic!’ shout the Remainers. Would they have said it if the vote had gone the other way? Nope.
There is a reason why the Executive bears that name. If every decision -in this case trying to ENFORCE THE WILL OF THE MAJORITY- has to be okayed by the judiciary, government is going to get very, very bogged down, no matter which party is in power!
They really are laughing at us now and in all fairness probably have been for some time! Democratic decisions and rulings really do only apply when it suits the Remoaners.
It keeps genuinely surprising me that broadcasting house in W1 is still standing and hasn’t been razed to the ground yet.
We haven’t paid the telly tax for a number of months now and I can only guess what al beeb is pumping out via the tv, but I bet they’re absolutely delighted today and squealing like pigs!
Keep the faith ????
They really are laughing at us now and in all fairness probably have been for some time! Democratic decisions and rulings really do only apply when it suits the Remoaners.
It keeps genuinely surprising me that broadcasting house in W1 is still standing and hasn’t been razed to the ground yet.
We haven’t paid the telly tax for a number of months now and I can only guess what al beeb is pumping out via the tv, but I bet they’re absolutely delighted today and squealing like pigs!
Keep the faith ????
This is when I wish I was a billionaire. I would take any future “government” – by that I mean the EU pawns at Westminster – to court every time they decided something I didn’t like. I’d certainly take them to court if a General Election went the wrong way.
I hope (probably forlornly) there are some actual billionaires who can see the injustice of this decision and take any future Government to court to stop the proroging of Parliament for any reason, including for Queen’s Speech, Christmas or summer holidays. Any future Government must be made to sit for 52 weeks every year, and any members who miss more than two weeks a year should be sacked triggering a bi-election. Fantasies, I realise but when all Hope has gone what else is there!
“If every decision -in this case trying to ENFORCE THE WILL OF THE MAJORITY- has to be okayed by the judiciary, government is going to get very, very bogged down,”
well put FNW!
The Supreme Court appears to have invented a new principle in law.
If someone is suspected of having had ‘wrong thoughts’, something that can be defined at the whim of the court, even though there is no evidence of having had those thoughts, you can still be found guilty.
No-one is safe under that regime, so don’t laugh too loud remainers etc.
[My neighbour thought I was thinking of cancelling my TV licence. The court thought that if i did that I would deprieve my family of their ‘human rights’ to partial BBC broadcasts. No-one actually heard me say that and no evidence was produced. The court found me guilty as charged and I was sentenced to watch the BBC for ever].
If anyone else in Labour ,Layla Moran for instance, says ‘scrutinise the Government’ I swear I’ll slap them.
This lot can’t check out a Mcdonalds burger.
They are ridiculous, but of course, like all mad people cannnot see it themselves.
Why did Corbyn cross the road?
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Because it’s what chickens do.
If you are of a nervous disposition as regards the issue of, ‘Big Brother’, don’t watch this, it is really really scary stuff.
Problem is, I sense that all around me is heading that way. Unstoppable. Note the reference to all agencies like MSM and all the usual culprits conspiring against the people of the World. Such power would by-pass all and every government.
G, wasn’t there a film some time ago based on this idea? Was it The Minority Report?
Thought Police!
Aren’t they already doing this, depriving people of access to such as PayPal, finances etc?
I’ve always been suspicious of “Amazon Alexa” type devices.
A device that is capable of listening and identifying key words to trigger it. Probably just a prototype for devices that will be hidden in our TV sets or phones in order to spy on us.
Disgusting decision !!!
Impartial judges , laughable, utterly laughable !!! 11 remainers who couldn’t believe their luck that this landed in their lap !!!!
Bercow making it up as he goes along in parliament to make sure remain get their way and now the judges doing the same !!!
Looks like the unelected Gina Miller now running the country !!!
Sick as a chip today with this , sick as a chip !!!
G.W.F.
I would select you second choice .
The Supreme Court seems to have forgotten that THE SOVEREIGNTY OF PARLIAMENT DERIVES SOLELY FROM THE SOVEREIGNTY OF THE PEOPLE!
Its argument that Boris, carrying out the Referendum result, has to submit to parliament (which no longer represents the majority will) is illegitimate.
This is a sad reflection on our judiciary. But, looking at Spiderwoman confidently promoting the will of Gina M over the will of 17.4m citizens, I am not surprised. Money talks?
Is Robert Peston getting even more carried away on ITV than Laura K was on the beeb?
You betcha.
What happens if Boris calls out the 17.4 million on to the street to support him?
There could be an awful lot of brown pants around………..
Pug,
“….. itself to do so invented laws and justifications that gave spurious legitimacy to its usurpation of power.”
Here, some weeks ago, I referred to the Appeal Court Judges ability to clothe their own personal preferences for any adjudicated matter in the law which they simply “hand down” to the proles.
The Supreme Court’s unanimous decision by 11 Law Lords is indicative of the way ALL of them think about Brexit I have no doubt.
Answer? A written constitution and elected Judges.
Seems Nick feels safe now.
Nick has gone full bbc; never go full bbc.
Dude’s on a roll.
Dude can’t spell: “it’s judgement”.
Its is possessive, no apostrophe.
£5 billion p.a. and their so-called ‘journalists’ don’t know their grammar.
Meanwhile, Radio 4…
“Jana is so committed to recycling she spends two hours a day sorting her neighbours rubbish”
Meanwhile, nearby….
There is a trend emerging of so-called progressive factions turning against each other. So the ‘progressive’ Macron locks horns with the deranged Swedish dwarf; gay rightists with muslims over sex education; feminists with trannies; imbecilic Trudeau with black rights, etc etc.
A bit like the Judean People’s Front versus the People’s Front of Judea etc.
With a bit of luck they’ll all self-destruct and normal people can get on with their lives.
“Suspending Parliament was unlawful, judges rule.”
Al Beeb dedicate a whole page to the events ?
Jeremy is calling for a General Election, OK Jers , lets go for it !
Its Boris and the people vs Parliament, and its The Brexit Party for me, but are the rest of our readers “dyed in the wool” Torys ?
Taffman, I’d happily vote TBP as I did last time but I live in a ward with a 16,000 Labour majority last time around. In 1992 Bercow stood as a Conservative here in Bristol South. Wish I’d pushed him under a car! Not going to bother this time as they vote for a turd with a red rosette around here.
The BBC flunkeys are pooing themselves with glee over the Liberal elite courts decision this morning.
They do not represent me or my country – they represent the wealthy Gina types who can go to the courts within a week because they have the money and the influence to do so – justice? of course not.
SPC
“The BBC flunkeys” are turning the people of this nation against that corporation.
Cut off their life supply – Stop paying the Telly Tax.
How – my wife likes emmerdale.
Emmerdale is on ITV. She can watch it on ITV’s catch up.
You only need a tv licence to watch (or record) programmes as they are being broadcast or to watch BBC iPlayer.
Honestly SPC, just get in touch with them online and say you don’t watch live tv. Job done. But do it through the the proper means.
We’ve been al beeb free for 6 months now and no issues ????
Just be straight with them and tell them to fuck off!
And watch catchup ????
>spc…send her up there then!
SPC, nice cheese, that.
\\Donald Trump: Boris Johnson ‘is not going anywhere’//
Is Boris remaining in The USA?
The markets seem underwhelmed by the Supreme Court decision today.
“The damaging and immoral depravity of the BBC”
– Voice for Justice UK
The madness knows no bounds now. It will be a ‘free for all’ shortly because there is no one holding enough power to command the halt of the now accelerating febrile nonsense. Every success they have, accelerates the next lunacy on the Marxist list.
I don’t think revolution is far away.
We live in perilous times, and even though our lives are not at risk, our freedom to make decisions, through the ballot box, has been put in serious jeopardy. In siding with parliament, and the establishment, the courts have refused to take into account the result of the referendum and the devious means being employed to stop democracy. Their decision has created serious doubts over the impartiality of the justice system. Also, it seems strange that the decision was unanimous. You would expect there to be some disagreement amongst eleven people, especially in a case such as this.
upand – you are right: the unanimity is strange. And surprising. I would have expected this from the Central Committee of a certain party, or one of their system’s subservient courts.
Food for thought. We have to digest what we have learnt today about our Supreme Court. I would have expected some divergence of opinion being reflected in their decision.
Perhaps the bite of the innocuous-looking Spiderwoman paralized them all?
Or could it really be that all 11 are solid Remainers?
Who was it who said “No taxation without representation”?
Well we no longer have representation as our MP’s are ignoring us, so can we stop paying our taxes?
When my parents were young adults (the term ‘teenager’ had not yet been coined) their anxiety was regarding whether they would be invaded by Hitler and end up as ‘citizens’ of the third Reich. Until 1989 I lived under constant threat of nuclear war. The possibility of the USSR invading and having Labour in power for ever. Now I live under constant threat as to when the next jihadist attack will take place. Why do I not suffer from a mental illness? Poor Greta experiences some unusual weather and is gripped with anxiety of impending doom. This child has a lot to learn about ‘stress’.
My neighbour has just got a new car and I mentioned that to her six year-old daughter, With a loud sigh she said, “Yes! And I had only just got used to the last one!”
I’m afraid you don’t appreciate how tough it is ‘out there’!
Enquiry into the Governance of the BBC
My apologies if this petition has already been publicised on the site.
https://www.citizengo.org/en/signit/173239/view?m=7&tcid=59706493
Is it lawful for a court to make partizan political decisions?
It seems to be so if the media don’t question things. No ones the wiser if they don’t do so for the wider populace.
If we aren’t starting a new session of parliament next week then in theory Boris can’t re-introduce Mrs May’s surrender agreement, something that the cynical thought he might have done.
I say ‘in theory’ because law and convention has been tossed away, so desperate are the remainers to make us an EU region.
I’ve put the new thread up .
Frankly I am surprised and grateful that I have not had to delete , edit or trash anything on such a disgusting day .
I was midway watching this on SPIKED! and I stopped and share the link. Today’s ruling as historian David Starkey stated on LBC earlier tonight it is unconstitutional and has invented a new law. The Supreme Court is a Blair invention replacing what was the Higher Court of House of Lords. The Supreme Court is a temporary court of alignment to the EU, all judges being predetermined to look towards the EU by selection of Blair and Brown governments and cannot be removed although notionally independent, by default replace Government action and undermine. The movie link below is a welcome reminder on what we are fighting for. SPIKED! is well worth the read and has had some very good podcasts and now they have this MOVIE which I recommend. DEPLORABLES.
Enjoy (although I despair at parliament antics), we will go down fighting… or our UK is finished.
https://www.spiked-online.com/video/deplorables-trump-brexit-and-the-demonised-masses/
Video: https://youtu.be/afMofYie4Lc
I listened to him on LBC tonight Ian Dale show, he was on at 9pm. Excellent, what an intelligent, well informed man. He certainly did not agree with the supreme court. Sorry I cant post the recording, perhaps someone else can, its worth a listen. Hes quite angry about it.
@Cromwell a lot of rave reviews on Twitter
but LBC have declined to put up a clip
There is this older clip dated Sep 16
Really worth listening to.
I have just been reading Ambrose Evans Pritchard’s article in the Telegraph, about celebrating Gina Miller’s ‘right to bring her case’.
All sounds very noble, a blow for democracy by the ‘little man/woman in the street’, showing no government can act with impunity, or some such thing. (Let’s forget about the referendum outcome for a minute). Isn’t Britain wonderful, that such a thing can happen here?
However, this is really unprecedented (?) and I have begun to wonder about Ms Miller. Just an ‘ordinary’ citizen, with a bit of money to spare, going after lofty political principle, taking on the professional political caste in the process?
Something very odd going on there.
An innocent in the right place at the right time, doing ‘the right thing’? A public-spirited ‘businesswoman’, clean as a whistle, slightly offended by the notion of the UK wanting to be detached from the EU? Suddenly one opinion casually picks up enough momentum and support to trump 17.4 million?
What about political ladies, to date? A heavyweight like Emily Thornberry hasn’t been able to do it. A sharpshooter like Jo Swinson hasn’t been able to do it. May had to give way.
Something very odd going on there, and to me, the media haven’t cracked what it is. It’s not that I think the whole story hasn’t been told. It’s not that I think half the story has been told. I think virtually nothing of the story has been told, Ambrose, old fruit. So -do try again.
What do you REALLY think has been going on?
One word $oro$
Cromwell: up to now I’ve felt that this is a bit of a tenuous connection.
But I am happy to consider it , and see where the evidence leads.
Do we have any concrete evidence?
Toady currently drivelling on about the opposition having to box clever. What we have come to expect from our ‘unbiased’ and ‘impatial’ broadcaster.
Fans of Remain….
Through to explicit fans of Labour, eg Carolyn Quinn.
Meanwhile the 3 year-old battle against Trump and Brexit continues unabated. Pelosi wants now to impeach Trump, yet again. Is this getting boing, or what? The Democrats really are childish.
A shame that in Britain, the Supreme Court has turned out to be illegitimate, with its unanimous verdict- something one would have expected from Communist China.
Oh dear, Webb has brought Ian Blackford onto Toady. Now the beeb plotting in public against the government and the Will of the Majority is in full flight again…