The combined forces of the Parliament , the courts and of course the Far Left Biased BBC are conspiring against the Democratic vote of over 17 million people .
Who’d have ever thought the UK could come to this ?
Midweek Thread 25 September 2019
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Since I am not that prolific a poster and yet have landed in first place twice in the last week, I believe this is some kind of ‘omen’.
My words of wisdom are therefore as follows:
‘The closer you get to Corbyn…..the greater the fear’.
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What a terrible day for democracy.i am going to bed now and something I don’t do but I am going to say a prayer for Boris Johnson tonight.How he is managing to get any sleep with all this, I don’t know. I honestly think he is trying to do the best for us but is being hamstrung at every turn he makes.God help him.
Commentators this morning said that before this decision by the Supreme court what Boris did in proroguing Parliament was Legal but since the decision it is now unlawful.
I am very confused. How can someone be accused of carrying out an illegal act before it has been made illegal ?
I wondered precisely the same thing. It’s like having two yellow lines painted on the side of the road after you have parked there and then being issued with a parking ticket.
Isn’t it?
Because it was always illegal. It’s just no one knew that until now. But ignorance of the law is no excuse.
We have always been at war with Eastasia.
However, Roland since it was clearly very ‘unclear’ as to the interpretation of what falls into ‘acceptable’ proroguing and what falls into ‘unacceptable’, how would anyone ever know? Moreover, why would people be calling for Boris Johnson’s head in these vague circumstances? I also presume that parliament can no longer be prorogued without a teacher’s note from the supreme court.
The court has said six days is reasonable. Now Boris knows he has six days he can use and there is nothing the court can do to stop him. (Except make up more laws.)
Is it not still wonderful that the European Court of Justice, made up by some loony, can still have such a strong influence on the UK Supreme Court , one of T Blairs inventions I believe, as we know-does this court not recognise that, the Prime Minister and his cabinet would have taken the best legal advice before proroguing Parliament-therefore are we to suppose that their advice was incorrect? No doubt Her Majesty the Queen would also have taken the best legal advice prior to her Prime minister’s viist, of course so. Who is right and who is wrong or are they both right? So let’s stop messing about and get the Brexit show on the road and out by 31st October.
We are going to be ruled by the brightest of the brightest – lawyers.
What is that Shakespeare said for lawyers.
As Davis Starkey pointed out – the idea of a Supreme court in Britain is laughable, as the executive and legislature are one body.
And ofcourse the Brussels Bitches Collective (Raedwald commentator), is gloating, as their globalist full scale socialism for the masses proceeds unchecked.
Roland, Had you informed the English High Court that before they came to their decision it would have saved us all a lot of time !!!!!
Every new doctrine of the Church is prefaced by “The Church has always taught…”
Does anyone know who actually assembled this team of judges.
The enemies of democracy are closing in today.
Thoroughly evil woman, along with H Clinton also a thoroughly evil woman, seemingly both together with the other numty males, would destroy the USA, as now the once great British Parliament is endeavouring to do-who let those dammed commies into the commons?
This is a #metoo moment for the dumb democrats.
Democrats wrote to the Ukrainian government in May 2018 urging it to continue investigations into President Donald Trump’s alleged collusion with Russia in the 2016 presidential campaign — collusion later found not to exist.
The demand, which came from U.S. Senators Robert Menendez (D-NJ), Dick Durbin (D-IL), and Patrick Leahy (D-VT), resurfaced Wednesday in an opinion piece written by conservative Marc Thiessen in the Washington Post.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/24/democrats-wrote-to-ukraine-in-may-demanding-it-investigate-trump/
Democrats in congress must impeach itself.
Also Obama, Biden and son must be arrested for corruption in the Ukrainian oil scandal.
The Democrats are accusing Pres Trump of a crime that they are actually guilty off and Trump innocent.
They will only be happy when they have acheived a one party state, or perhaps one like Putins Russia where there is a show of democracy, but in reality only one party can win.
Well Corbyn got his speech. The Guardian said it was really good so I know that it was rubbish (Films I like get bad reviews from the Guardian and rubbish films get good reviews so I got by the opposite to their views) but what about the Tory conference?
The Lib Dems get 5 days. Labour get three and the Tories get nothing?
Fair?
BBC website:
‘Corbyn says ‘tide is turning’ in Labour’s direction’
Looks like the BBC have chosen the party to endorse in the next GE.
The bias is about to get extreme
The creaking beeb are approaching their last gasp, Smoogs.
They know very well that when labour lose the next GE even more dramatically than they fear, Corbyn will ousted and Lady Nugee will be filling the three seats she has to put up with in a tiny opposition, the failing Beeb’s time will be up!
Just because a political stance has been made by the SP, the real work Boris is doing to shaft the remainers continues, with or without the bbbc, so, we’ll be away from Brussels and zooming ahead by the end of next month!
S
No use Boris Johnson winning a General Election if there are still 150 Remainiac Non-Conservative Conservative MPs biding their time until the opportunity arises to stab him (and us) in the back, yet again.
Where are all the de-selections?
Why is there no agreement with The Brexit Party? This is unforgivable.
Too early to get in with the Brexit Party at the minute. If the push comes to the shove they should do it and I would support it but for now it might be seen as weak to try and form any ties with other parties.
Let the remain alliance pretend that they are strong. They are already arguing over who should be the caretaker leader. Corbyn wants to be PM but Swinson does not want him.
For now Boris needs to act defiant and look strong rather than simply copy the other side. They don’t like it that he refuses to resign and he is still bothering them.
Al-beeb must think it’s Christmas. Their TV news headlines:
1) US Dems launch an impeachment inquiry against Trump.
2) The Supreme Court finds against BoJo.
3) The Duchess of Suits wears a scarf, symbol of oppression, when she visits a mosque in SA.
Personally I preferred Marine Le Pen’s reaction when she told a muslim where he could shove it.
Vlad
You are right – fortunately I have been way for 10 days and not listened to any BBC until this morning..now it is off again but Harry and his wife..why go to a mosque as the first visit – Woke they is……why not a Black Christian church?
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019/09/johnson-has-lost-a-battle-and-room-for-manoevre-but-he-can-still-win-the-war-just.html
From a comment on this article
“Without Parliament’s authority to tax and spend, the government would run out of money rather quickly.”
Stop paying the EU and the public sector including the supine court, stop paying pensions to Major et al.
There is a response to https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/254329
Leave the EU with No Deal in October 2019
This response was given on 24 September 2019
The Prime Minister has been clear: we will leave the EU on 31 October. We’d prefer to do so with a deal, but if there isn’t movement from the EU on the backstop we will have to leave without one.
etc. etc. etc.
…
The Prime Minister remains absolutely focused on delivering on the vote of the British people by taking us out of the European Union on 31 October.
Cabinet Office.
The timing of the response is interesting …
(Not that I’m hopeful)
ti
“On the backstop”
This sounds like May all over again.
Which is not Brexit.
Surely Mogg and the ERG will advise the PM this is not acceptable.
#####SPOILER ALERT#####
Whent to the cinema last night to watch Ad Astra staring Brad Pitt. The cinema was empty and I wonder why??
The film whilst having a toe in science fiction was full on diversity.
1. Mars was run by a BME lady
2. There where lady’s in hijabs on the moon colony ….trust me.
3. The bady Brads dad (whitey) had killed the BME head of Mars mum and dad.
4. All key posts run by BME women
So virtual signalling from start to finish no one is taken in by it anymore it’s killing the film industry, cinema numbers must be at an all time low….
I do however emplore the BBC to pursue virtue signalling with more vigour as it will only help to speed up thier demise.
Halifax
I think the real reason the cinema was empty was that the would be audience were all at home waiting to be first on this thread …..
For which the John Humphreys memorial pension award goes to ..
Chanceygardner.
Look – can we talk about something else today – instead of the Remain Broadcasting Corp ?
How about kittens and flowers and nice things ….?
( I’m losing it )
I don’t think “Biased Kittens” has the same ring.
Little Gretchen has upset Macaroni by filing a lawsuit against France for producing high quantities of greenhouse gases.
But has the Scandinavian Hobgoblin filed a lawsuit against China, by far the biggest polluter and increasingly so by the week with every new power station?
Toady watch
Forced myself to hit the on button and heard a posh bloke going on about constitutional conventions with Martha the bee .
The posh bloke thought the Supreme beaks were great and how great the non existent constitution is and how bad the government it for doing bad things .
Martha hummed along
Neither mentioned the cause – 500 traitor MPs going against a democratic vote .
And the posh bloke ?
Sumption – the retired remainer law lord who is much favoured by the state broadcaster . Why doesn’t he just go and spent is retirement counting his huge state pension .
Another one in the swamp which needs draining . ….
Fed,
BBC then got him down to College Green to be interviewed
on BBC Breakfast – so he could use the same script twice.
Sumption was accompanied by a retired Black Rod – a post I assume which reflects another aspect of our multicultural society, though no evidence of the member in question was on display to the camera.
Fed,
Research so far on the Supreme Court appointments:
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/dec/05/profile-the-11-justices-of-the-uk-supreme-court
I don’t know whether any of them sat on the panel in relation to yesterday’s judgement but, take a look at the 2016 profile of the first three. Biased?
Children, not even 15 year old idiot-savants, get so involved in such political matters that they would even think about writing a complaint to the UN.
So, who are the adults pulling the strings on the marionette that is little Miss Thunberg?
And I wonder what happens to her when she’s served her purpose? I can’t see any normal employer wanting her anywhere near their company, especially since she has such a low opinion of actually knowing things and hasn’t completed her education?
Harry and Markle riding the religion of peace vehicle …
0. Islam asks you to have zero thought about its origins and practices. And make zero comparisons with successful cultures.
1. Islam asks for one simple thing. Islam asks for everything – head scarfs, finance, religion, police, morals, schools, law, Halal food, science, clothes, art and your body to be Islamic.
2. Islam only has two problems – Muhammed and Mohammed. Once the first problem has been solved then the second one can be solved easily.
3. Islam offers three things. In the Koran it offers Peace, War and then a Continuation of War. In your life Islam wants you to subjugate yourself, subjugate your family and then subjugate everyone else.
Marky
I’m still waiting for imam mo – a superb comedy about three dodgy imams banished to Craggy Island for raping young white girls in kebab shops
Vlad…. how a 16 year old knows how to go about filing a lawsuit against a Country tells us everything we need to know about this situation. She is a puppet, we need to be told who are her masters!
Maybe she was created by Childs Play the creators of Chucky, there is an uncanny resemblance!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chucky_(character)
Maybe this invisible Geppeto chipped her out of a block of wood in his cabin in the mountains?
Digg,
There’s only one senior Marxist Grand Master – Soros.
I find it galling (to say the least) that we are expected to accept or at least pretend to believe that the SC judgment is valid when certainly over half the population (including some lawyers) regard it as an outrage.
Toady 2
Kenneth Clarke being chatted to by the Martha the bee keeper . Besides the bias – I didn’t realise how bad she is . She asked him why not have a General Election . He swerved it . She let time . It was awful – just awful . Clarke has been an MP for 50? Years .
I can’t remember ever disagreeing with something Richard Kemp has ever said. I’m sure there will be something I missed in the past but he is bang-on again here.
For me, the question is how do we get rid of these supreme court judges when they are not serving our country impartially; what mechanism exists to punish them and or remove them from office?
If we cannot remove them then all they are is a junta in black robes rather than military uniforms.
Child migration used to keep Commonwealth white, legal expert claims
UK News | Published: Apr 2, 2019
He pointed to a 1959 debate in the House of Commons, which talked of using child migration to increase “British stock” in Australia amid fears of people from “Asiatic” countries populating the continent.
“The Government had different intentions – they were thinking about stocking the British empire with as many white people as possible.”
I thought Australia had left the Empire decades before 1959.
Pass the sick bag.
On Toady, Jezza has agreed to be interviewed for the first time in two years. I wonder why???
And Martha is keen to get on with him. Lobbing gentle balls so he can have a free go at Boris and the government , without interruptions of course. Feeding him predictable questions he answers with stock answers, unchallenged.
‘And by the way Mr Corbyn, it is so nice to see you. Do tell us how your allotment is getting on’.
Thank goodness it is not on TV, we’d probably see them kissing and hugging afterwards.
The ‘ wonder why ‘ is because Humph has retired . I bet comrade Corbyn’s drones wanted the Asian girl to do it but they settled for the frankly embarrassing Martha the scatty bee .
Funny how Comrade Corbyn has spent his entire career shouting for democratic votes but when it comes to it he is an anti democrat because he knows his party will be slaughtered in a General Election .
I am with Corbyn on one thing though – private schools should not have charitable status – that’s just wrong .
If only Brillo could do a 30 minute chat with Corbyn .
Fedup
The ‘Lapper Curve’ calculation is will the tax gain abolishing private school charity status gain more than is lost when at the bottom end the price increase forces marginal users to go back into the state sector at an extra education budget cost of £6000 per pupil. I don’t pretend to know the answer.
Personally I have no issue with people spending their own money as they see fit. Of more concern is the way Oxbridge continually favour private schools almost through quotas.
Sluff, do not rely on the Laffer curve. It is a piece of fake economics.
Maybe, but there is still a loss versus gain equation to consider.
Because Sluff, the pupils from Fee paying schools are in the main better prepared for further education and the Universities understand this. I have family who have come from both sides of the State and Private education and those from the private sector that have gone to University have faired better. However this does not necessarily mean in all cases that the State education sector is poorer than the private sector-often it is the schools perperation and the encouragement from the parents that can set them apart.
Sluff
I have no issue with the existence of private schools – but I don’t think they should be exempt from tax via charity law – but I’m not happy with the whole charity sector any way .
Declaration – I have no personal financial interest in this issue .
A corollary of that view might be that people who pay for private education should be credited for the saving they are causing to the State by not taking up places in State schools.
Fed, Comrade Corbyn was wobbling wondrously, standing on the edge of extinction. Martha was sharp enough to ask him about his personal polling.
I note that our Comrade Leader, factionalism be upon him, may he soon be deposed, did not dismiss the unfavourable polling. That is the usual response.
I also note that he did own up to being willing to do a Harold Wilson 1974 and our Comrade did run out a hint of ‘the pound in your pocket’ diversionary tactic he is planning to use.
The message from Brexiteers and Conservatives and conservatives must be: the next General Election is about the UK’s freedom from the EUNation.
The Supreme Court judges are willing being used to protect the elite , which of course includes themselves, from the people. This is probably exactly what Blair had in mind as their purpose when he created this court. Stuff it unelected Liberal Left Globalist judges and be secure in the knowledge that whenever the people or leaders of the people began to win any argument the Supreme Court could be relied upon to crush the opposition to the Globalists.
The judges must feel their position is safe , not legally of course because it isn’t, but safe from any retribution by the people and their leaders. They do not fear the sack or closure of the court. I suppose that if their position is threatened they will run to their big brother in the ECJ for protection. Beating this international network of Globalists is going to be long and hard.
Unless Boris et al have something up their sleeve I fear that we are going to have a government of ‘national unity’ , true Orwellian Doublespeak there, which will run until 2022 and in that time will pass laws which make Brexit forever impossible. At all costs they will avoid a GE. But they may well gerrymander another referendum such that they can claim , not matter how dubiously, that they have democracy on their side. In the new epoch which we are entering democracy is a one way street, if we the people do what the elite want it’s fine , if we don’t they ignore us, if we rebel they punish us.
You have hit the nail on the head Doublethinker in your implication of the Supreme Courts affiliation with the European Court of Justice, which has ruled against us for the last many years-it and this So called Supreme Court have undermined those top legal minds that advised our Priminister Boris Johnson before he took action to Porogue Parliament. One has to ask as to whether from their decision (Supreme Court) they consider the advice givien by an equally professional legal team to Boris, null and void-they have quite clearly by such a decision undermined the British Legal System. I pray that Boris Johnson will hang on to deliver Brexit as was voted by 17.4 million good people of this nation. What trust can we have in such a system NOW?
Exactly Tarien. And why is no-one questioning the fact that the predictable verdict of the Scots – who will always seek to undermine any English legal position for simple historical bias – was accepted as valid, while our own High Court reached a diametrically different decision from both Scotch and Supreme?
Jezza wants to nationalise UK pharma.
He cites the ‘success’ in South Africa, where HIV drugs are now available at a reasonable cost. At the end of the sentence he says….’imported from India ‘.
Looks like people in high quality pharma jobs in the UK would be in for a very tough time. Jezza has absolutely no clue about the enormous costs getting a new drug through all the trials and safety assessments and get it to the market.
Still we can all be absolutely sure that a Labour Party run National Pharmaceutical Service will be run on a not-for-profit basis. And not in a good way.
Sluff
Jezza is an idiot – he has no idea how drugs are made and marketed. Great article in economist that also puts to bed all the lies about Brexit causing drug shortages.
Has anyone else noticed that the Left hate losing and instead of fighting on policies they assume a position of self centred superiority and just attack personally anyone who opposes their views..
..they must think the vast bulk of people don’t notice it..but we do and hopefully we will get a chance to bite back…
JA, “Has anyone else noticed that the Left hate losing and instead of fighting on policies they assume a position of self centred superiority and just attack personally anyone who opposes their views.”
Yes, I almost laughed (hard to do on a grim morning) when Ken Clarke said “Oh, don’t let’s make this about personalities” but he then went on to attack colleagues and also did not demur when asked about his being appointed interim PM.
He’s an old fraud, long past retirement date.
The main reason the Leave vote won would be because people saw a lot of immigration – their own eyes told them the state of play .
If we are to stay in then all the areas that voted remain should receive the immigrants ~ so that’s south Cambridgeshire flooded with new arrivals then .
1400+ raped kids.
Anjem Choudary walks the streets.
86 sailing Iranians stroll onto the UK shores.
Mis-sold a PPI or a Government promise? Why not phone 666-T-H-E-Y-D-O-N-T-C-A-R-E today for a free quote.
From the Independent –
“The attorney general should “consider his position” after it emerged he advised Boris Johnson that proroguing parliament was legal, Sir Keir Starmer has said.
Geoffrey Cox reportedly told the prime minister and the cabinet that any accusation of unlawfulness was “motivated by political considerations”, according to previously redacted court papers.
Mr Cox’s advice was contained in redacted cabinet papers released by a Scottish court in August, which also contained a handwritten note by Mr Johnson, where he described David Cameron as a “girly swot”.
A redacted section, leaked to Sky News, said: “The attorney general said that his advice on the question of the law is that this was lawful and within the constitution.
“Any accusations of unlawfulness or constitutional outrage were motivated by political considerations. The proposal was compatible with the provisions of the NIEF (Northern Ireland Executive Formation Act) 2019.”
Sir Keir, a former director of public prosecutions, raised concerns about the revelations and demanded the publication of the full legal advice.
He said: “We would need to look into it but I think the attorney is going to have to consider his position because he’s now had a unanimous decision of the Supreme Court completely the other way, indicating the prime minister has acted unlawfully.
“At the very least, I think the attorney general needs to be making a statement to parliament tomorrow and I think it’s very important that we now see the full legal advice on this.”
Labour is planning to use an archaic Commons mechanism to force the government to release its legal advice on prorogation, if the attorney general refuses to release it.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/supreme-court-attorney-gerneral-resign-boris-johnson-parliament-suspension-legal-a9118706.html
NIEF (Northern Ireland Executive Formation Act) 2019 ??
The state broadcaster say the PM is flying back to London from America . I think if I was his advisor I’d say’ slow the plane down ‘ and left the traitor parliament stew in its self righteous juices for a while .
Make em suffer – they can endure a 3 hour speach by the SNP leader – Ian blackford – about “what I hate about the English “
My only, faint, hope is that Boris is playing a very clever game:
1. He keeps going on about a deal to shut up those who claim we must have a deal.
2. He loses a vote of confidence and a General Election is called. Or, the opposition will try to rally behind a leader.
a. First out of the blocks Comrade Corbyn, supported by all extremists such as the Momentum MPs in Labour and the Scottish and Welsh National Socialists, and Lucas the Mad Pixie. However, the ex-Conservatives and “Lib” “Dems” could not support him and he would not be able to command a majority. Fail.
b. The so-called “moderate” Harriet Harperson tries to form a government but cannot get the support of Momentum. Fail.
c. Jo Swinson next. Labour will be totally refusing to do a deal as she didn’t back Comrade Corbyn. Fail.
d. Ken Clarke. Labour will definitely not work with him. Fail.
3. A fortnight passes with no government, even Bercow cannot break the rules on this one (I hope), and a General Election must be called.
4. Boris says that the EU refused to back down on the Backstop issue, so reluctantly the Conservatives will be forced to campaign for a WTO Brexit. A trade deal can be discussed after Brexit. An apology to the British People for not getting us out before the 31st October but he was stymied by those determined to thwart democracy. But never fear as an incoming Conservative Government will be able to deliver it shortly after being elected.
5. Make a pact with Nigel Farage that the Brexit Party will be left alone in the Northern Constituencies that would never vote Conservative, and the Brexit Party to not contest seats where the Conservatives have a Brexiteer MP or strong candidate.
It would be a lovely scenario and we could be out before the end of November. Boris make it happen!
I hope you are right, Demon “hope is that Boris is playing a very clever game”. but I have my doubts.
Demon,
Yet the Supreme Court ruled that Parliament can resume to continue this game of musical chairs. “Didn’t they do well”?
I know others might have noticed too that there was an interview with a retired justice on RBC Breakfast.
At the end the interviewer tossed in a question about the referendum result being implemented. The response was that 52% could not expect to win 100% of the spoils.
Is this really how referendums work? Should Scotland now be enjoying 45% independence across it’s territory? Should this element of the electorate have been barred from participation in the EU Membership referendum?
Whilst writing what is Labour on? They cheer and clap Corbyn demanding Johnson’s resignation when their parliamentary party rejected this twice only the other week?
Is black white and white black?
Not Gwent, we live in Orwellian times where your last sentence is true to those who hold a lot of power.
I gather a bunch of environmental scientists is about to utter from the mountain to us mere mortals today.
Oh! Joy!
The markets this morning seem even more underwhelmed at the UK’s political shenanigans and The Supreme Court ruling.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7499983/BBC-upholds-complaint-against-Emily-Maitlis-sneering-Newsnight-Brexit-debate-Rod-Liddle.html
BBC upholds complaint against Emily Maitlis over her ‘sneering’ Newsnight debate with columnist Rod Liddle over Brexit.
BBC found Maitlis too ‘persistent and personal’ during Newsnight discussion.
Maitlis was accused of ‘failing to be even-handed’ during the Brexit discussion.
Maitlis shared her opinion that Liddle’s columns contain ‘casual racism’.
So much for objective unbiased television journalism from the BBC; since when was ‘opinion’ presented to the viewer or listener as ‘facts’?
To answer this question, turn on any BBC television or radio news programme and you’ll soon find out.
It’s not called Newsshite for nothing
Hi Sluff
Not sure you have spelt it correctly, drop the E off the end 🙂
Labour want to let 16 and 17 year olds vote in a second referendum and then in General Elections.
I wonder why?
ONS figures suggest 16 and 17 year olds will vote Labour thus swinging seats in key marginals.
Would these be the same 16 year olds who in court cases ‘cannot be named for legal reasons’ or who when coming over as boat people are regarded as ‘vulnerable children’? Would these be 16 year olds who have lived their whole lives through the prism of state provision – mainly schools, and have never had to hold down a job or pay tax?
Readers will have no difficulty in answering these questions.
But the strange this is, the BBC seems to have great difficulty in asking them!
Well, the awful Jon Snow maintained we need another referendum because a lot of the elderly voters who voted Leave would be dead, and a significant number of those now able to vote would sign up to Remain.
Jeremy Corbyn does his first Today interview in years and just how much criticism and sniping has he had from the BBC’s finest over those years for refusing to appear? Can’t say I’ve heard any critical voices demanding he appear….unlike Boris who didn’t appear during the initial stages of the leadership election and was roundly savaged by the BBC for ‘hiding’ and being unaccountable…despite those initial stages being the ones where it is solely the MPs who vote not the party members…Boris then came out and did many interviews, I think his first with Kuenssberg, and they still complain.
But you may ask was all the wait for Corbyn worthwhile…did we have years of pent up questions tumbling out and holding him to account? Nah…of course not….this is the Corbyn firendly BBC who gets asked the softest of soft questions starting with ‘…and what do you think of….?’ which is an open invitation to slag off your opponents.
When Corbyn was chuntering on about democracy and the voice of the people where were the essential questions?…
1. Why then does Labour say it will vote down any deal this government brings back regardless?
2. What happens if the EU doesn’t grant an extension?
3. What happens if the EU does grant an extension?
4. Why are you and Parliament denying the people a voice and a choice on no-deal as they take it off the table completely and intend to rig any second referendum question by denying the voters that option and choice?
Today did ask what he would say to a …Remain…voter in Islington…..surely the real question is what he would say to a Leave voter.
Why is Today and the BBC solely interested in the Remain reaction? Why is it that the BBC never asks if what Parliament is doing is unconstitutional and anti-democratic…where are the BBC voices decrying Parliament as a Remain ‘dictatorship’ taking us back to the 30’s as they do in relation to anything Boris does?
RT pushes back against Greta cult
“Greta Thunberg wants you afraid, and big business will make a killing off it”
https://www.rt.com/news/469534-greta-thunberg-fear-business/
“‘Radical’ Greta Thunberg ‘antagonizes our societies’, Macron says after her UN speech”
https://www.rt.com/news/469507-macron-thunberg-antagonizes-societies/
“‘Mass hysteria’: German lawmakers warn Greta Thunberg’s climate activism threatens rational debate”
https://www.rt.com/news/469492-thunberg-germany-climate-hysteria/
Elsewhere
Australian PM “Morrison responds to Greta Thunberg by warning children against ‘needless’ climate anxiety
says debate replete with disinformation and he wants to give children confidence they will have ‘an economy to live in’”
Stew
I feel that Greta is trying to sell us a magic suit of clothes. Danny Kaye has the story.
@LeftyWright a twitter search show plenty of people calling Greta the Pied Piper leading the children out of school and out of the real world
http://www.oom2.com/t66048-mk-greta-pied-piper-for-globalist-un-agenda-30
‘Inca children were left on top of volcanoes to be struck by lightning in brutal sacrifices after they were snatched from their families in far-flung corners of the vast empire. The practice was intended to elevate the children to a status somewhere between mortals and that of gods.’
Threatens rational debate? When has there ever been rational debate on climate change? Not on the BBC for sure. The BBC that gives Thunberg an adoring, unquestioning platform to vent her teenage angst…fed and stoked by her Soros funded Green Marxist mentors.
This is a vulnerable young girl being groomed and exploited by adults…the BBC included…if this was the Incas she’d have been sacrificed on the temple, no doubt with many more child victims, with her heart ripped out to assuage the Gods….but nowadays she’s ripped from her everyday life to be the face of the faithful fanatics of climate change….her life, well-being and mental health sacrificed for the good of humanity…or rather for the BBC and fellow traveller’s green agenda.
Greta Hitler Parody video
LOL…not far from the truth in some respects [imagine if she had some panzers, U-boats and 5 million stormtroopers? The world would be a safer place for humanity I’m sure]….and in a similar vein…glad to see the BBC recognises the reality of the EU Reich…
Why oh why does the BBC never even talk about Climate Change? Surely the threat is so great that the only solution is to place all the World’s resources under the control of the United Nations, but perhaps under the guidance of a select number of large transglobal corporations who know best? And to avoid any disruption to this, maybe they should be allowed to operate on a monopolistic basis for the good of humanity? Individual consumption needs to be curtailed, and subject to quotas and non-disruptive behaviour; I don’t know, maybe some sort of social credit system, perhaps monitored by say Facebook and Google? And isn’t it better that we have a more just and fairer planet, where everyone has the same standards of sustaineable living, even if perhaps it’s at a much lower level than people in the West are accustomed to (the very people who have caused the problems in the first place!). Why does the BBC never even hint at these things, which we are all crying out for? If we really try hard, taking our inspiration from Greta, maybe it could be achieved by, say, 2030. And what a fitting tribute that would be to the centenary of the birth of Mr Soros, who seems to be the only other person of true vision.
HOW BBC BIAS WORKS I So What You’re Saying Is
“If you cannot vote the buggers out, you don’t live in a democracy.”
“As thousands of people around the world joined a global climate change protest, children at a nursery marked the occasion in their own way.
Staff at The Old Forge Day Nursery in the village of Findern, Derbyshire, switched off electricity and held activities outside.
Rising sea temperatures and recycling were among the topics being taught.
The day was “designed to educate the children about what it [climate change] is, what recycling is and how they can influence that,” nursery manager, Louise Monange, said.”
Make them walk to school, give up their phones, playstations and TV and eat their greens…pun intended.
Front page news on the BBC website:
“Mont Blanc: Glacier in danger of collapse, experts warn”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49820542
“Climate change: Scotland’s ‘net zero’ bill reaches final hurdle”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49819905
“‘The devil’s excrement’: How did oil price become so important?”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49499443
This is worth repeating-given by someone who knows his oinions.
The prime minister was entirely proper in testing the limits of his jurisdiction in respect of the governance of the UK. This so because of the unique set of circumstances imposed upon the prime minister by the recently formed Supreme Court combined with the hitherto unconscionable actions of the opposition in not calling for an election, only allowable through the new fixed term parliament act. This current set of circumstances has created a jury of 11 only able to pass a verdict on such issues in anything but a unanimous manner. The reason being that in the absence of a written constitution, such a jury is being asked to govern the country. The only way such judgments could be made fairly, is if the decision was put to a referendum. Thus the judges are being asked to represent 60 million people. Such a Judgement, if it is to have any thread of substance would have to be unanimous. In this unique set of circumstances it is now the responsibility to prorogue parliament for three weeks, in order to test whether this is lawful or not. This action will eventually expose the farce of the existence of the existence of a Supreme Court in the absence of a written Constitution. The Court would eventually have to acknowledge that Prorogation is legal but it would be necessary to go through an iterative process of trial to establish the envelope of governance of the prime minister in this new and artificially created circumstance – exposed by this iterative process as being fundamentally flawed
An unelected group of judges have declared that the PM acted unlawfully. Just which law did Mr Johnson break? Why has the judiciary decided to meddle in matters that it previously avoided as being outside its remit? Can we honestly believe that they are impartial in the light of this development? When will the Leave campaign mount a legal challenge to those members of the House of Commons who have broken their solemn promise to uphold the result of the 2016 Referendum? When will access to the law be made available to people other than wealthy foreigners determined to impose their will on the electorate? Are we really facing the fact that Democracy in the UK is a farce and not for the common people? If so, there would appear to be only one remedy.
Tarien
I, too, wonder when we Leavers are going to mount a legal challenge on the basis that the HoP all agreed and signed article 50 – making it a law and there was no clause saying ‘ no deal not included’
It seems the Remainers have the law on their side – I still have my fingers crossed that Boris has a cunning plan (that does not include putting May’s deal back there)
Here’s a summary of the eleven Supreme Court Judges.
There’s a common thread running through the list. Can you see what it is?
LADY HALE: Brenda Hale, 74, is President of the Supreme Court. She previously backed an ECHR ruling over votes for prisoners. In July ex-Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger, now Principal of Lady Margaret Hall, Oxford, announced Lady Hale would be joining Gary Lineker as a “visiting fellow”.
LADY BLACK: Jill Black, 65, became the second female Supreme Court justice in 2017. In 2016 she ruled against a woman wanting a bigger divorce settlement seven years after her marriage ended. She said: “This court is not here to provide a top-up for every foreign divorce.”
LORD HODGE: Patrick Hodge, 66, joined the court in 2013. He previously served as an intellectual property judge in Scotland. In June 2016 his son George, a committed Remainer, branded the Leave campaign “one of the most disgraceful spectacles in modern British political history”.
LORD LLOYD-JONES: David Lloyd-Jones, 67, is a fluent Welsh speaker. He spent much of his time as a barrister practising EU and public law, then became a High Court judge in 2005. He was appointed to the Supreme Court in 2017, becoming the first Welsh person to be made a justice.
LADY ARDEN: Mary Arden, 72, is an “ad hoc” British judge at the European Court of Human Rights. She was named one of the “50 most powerful women in Britain” by the left-wing Guardian newspaper in 1997. A member of the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague.
LORD SALES: Philip Sales, 57, became the government’s go-to barrister for civil cases when he was aged just 35. But in 2009 there was outrage when he charged taxpayers £3.3million over six years. He was dubbed the “Treasury Devil”. Joined the Supreme Court in January.
LORD KITCHEN: David Kitchin, 64, was appointed to the Supreme Court in October last year. Became a QC in 1994 before being appointed a Deputy High Court judge in 2001. Rose to Court of Appeal justice in 2011. Made his name as an intellectual property specialist.
LORD WILSON: Nicholas Wilson, 74, spent 26 years as an expert in family law, serving as a Family Court judge at the High Court. He was one of two Supreme Court judges who ruled against a decision by five fellow justices in favour of releasing Prince Charles’ “black spider” letters to ministers.
LORD REED: Robert Reed, 63, was a judge at the European Court of Human Rights in the 1990s. In 1999 he was on the ECHR panel that ruled the killers of James Bulger did not get a fair trial. In 2004 he sparked fury after sentencing a paedophile who raped a baby to just five years’ jail.
LORD KERR: Brian Kerr, 71, served as an “ad hoc” judge at the ECHR in 2001. In 2014 he, backed the Human Rights Act. He said: “Citizens of the UK are as much Europeans as anybody else and are entitled to cast a jealous eye on the rights of their brethren in the rest of Europe.”
LORD CARNWATH: Robert Carnwath, 74, was Attorney General to Prince Charles, advising him just as his marriage to Princess Diana rumbled. He founded the EU Forum of Judges for the Environment. He sits on the advisory board of the King’s College London Centre of European Law.
I rest my case, m’Lud.
Dover
Thank you . It’s perverse isn’t it – that so many of these judges have attachments to the EU which would see them as declared biased if they were trying a case in a lower court .
Yet there is no appeal – no challenge to their bias – perceived or actual . I’d say an unbiased court would have just said ‘this is not for the courts’ it’s for parliament – but they landed up weighing up government evidence as though a written law was broken ….bad bad bad .
They’ve decided to sacrifice the legitimacy of an independent judiciary for the sake of their own personal remain beliefs .
Will apologies to George Bernard Shaw and Woody Allen:
“Those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach. Those who can’t teach, teach gym. Those who can’t teach gym, become lawyers.”
A letter in yesterday’s Telegraph from David Starkie I’ve copied here:
How to help children deal with eco-anxiety
SIR- The best way to counter children’s eco-anxiety (Features, September 21) is to teach the history of climate change.
Starting with the Ice Age, study could progress to the late Roman warming period and then cover cooling in the Dark Ages, the violent storms of the late 13th and early 14th centuries, and the series of mini ages that followed.
Children might want to cover the cooling period after 1940, which lasted for nearly four decades. They could also study the newspaper reports from the Seventies that suggested we were entering a new mini ice age.
David Starkie
London SW8
As requested on page 4 of the last thread, here is the full David Starkey segment on LBC
Pity that segment has nonsense in it from the LBC presenter claiming the supreme courts judges weren’t bent in their decision ( see the previous list of judge ‘ employments in the EU).
@Fed this link takes you 3 mins in, past the presenter’s waffle and to Starkey demolishing him
– The idea the law is clear and the 11 judges are so much better than Starkey is tosh, cos not only did top advisors like the Attorney General advise Boris that it was legal, the English High Court did rule not to find it illegal.
– Furthermore Starkey explained the 11 relied on the wrong precedent of prorogation, cos that was not about parliamentary affairs.
Fed up,
The Supreme Court wasn’t bent! It was performing its real but covert duty, to protect the Globalist elite from the people. It only appears bent to us because we think of it as a typical court where justice is blind etc. I think that we need to forget about justice being blind, about British law being fair etc. We are only just waking up to the fact that Blair and New Labour mounted a coup and it has taken Brexit and twenty years to reveal this to ordinary folks like us.
SG,
1st observation: how naive of the LBC interviewer.
@G finally LBC put up the David Starkey interview
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/iain-dale/dr-david-starkey-brutal-analysis-on-supreme-court/
It seems that the issue should be for the BBC is to represent how parliament is acting unconstitutionally. Parliament has taken hostage of Government without giving the public a say. Parliament doesn’t like the Government but will not allow an election. Also, ministers sign of public expenditure but parliament has now taken over with their requirement for extending delay and expending more billions to the EU.
After yesterday’s SC verdict I wondered about the Queen’s position in all this.
Either she is as thick as mince and hasn’t got a clue about anything going on,
or,
after 66 years of doing this job she understands very well the situation and will not be ‘misled’ by the latest PM.
I’m sure Liz knows the score.
The next thing that must happen is the Queen must be taken to court for complying with Boris’s so called illegal prorogation.
HM versus HM.
If Boris is guilty, what is his punishment?
A fine, community service, prison?
Same for Liz, misleading us (as the RSM might put it)
Locked up at her own convenience.
A battle lost yesterday but it’s inevitable that we will win the war and a war it is. Quite possibly a bloody civil war.
EG
The only thing that matters to the monarch is the continuation of the Monarchy
I’m hoping some loon will accuse Boris of contempt of parliament . The traitors can then spend days queuing up to get browny traitor points before the 500 vote him guilty . His punishment will be to be bent over their dispatch box and thrashed by the president of the UK – Johnny Bercow .
If only the Queen would just say ” I am very happy with the Prime Minister’s advice”.
Unfortunately this will not happen even though it would solve a lot of problems.
Brilliant piece by Melanie Phillips on the judgement
https://www.melaniephillips.com/goodbye-british-constitution/
Yes…even arch remainer Matthew Parris admitted on Today this morning [as did Evan Davis yesterday] that this was a dangerous power grab by the courts, a massive transfer of power from government to judges…and yet….just how much serious scrutiny and coverage will this power grab get from the BBC? They shouted and raged about Boris’ prorogation of Parliament as a ‘ripping up of the constitution’, an anti-democratic move to silence parliament [it wasn’t] and yet as the lawyers take over government, and indeed parliament in effect….not much reaction.
Sanity and history are really sliding away very quickly now. If the power of the voters/people is supreme, where will it all go?
Anyone noticed this from earlier in the week? EU interior ministers agreed to a ‘temporary’ scheme for the redistribution of migrants, with Macron suggesting penalties for countries that refuse to co-operate. I guess it’s a good week to bury bad news. Little coverage in MSM.
—“But the implications of the deal go much further than ending the game of pass-the-migrant. It represents a significant breach in what until now has been a guiding principle: that irregular migrants must be dealt with by their country of first arrival […] the agreement could open the way to a comprehensive overhaul of the so-called Dublin accords that have governed the EU’s approach since 1997.”
Term
Is that the ‘ship the illegals to Britain’ policy . Use of the term ‘migrant’ is as false as ‘ refugee ‘.
Some food for thought.
In 2019 Britain is ruled by Queen Gina supported by King John Bercow
While the royal messenger is the BBC
Stew – this is one of these one-liners that would be amusing, were it not so tragic. Two puffed-up nobodies, convinced of their own magnificence and infallibility. Both now propped up by Spiderwoman and her gang, and all 3 working hard to overthrow democracy.
Most of the media, as ever on the wrong side of history, seem to be taken in…
Your earlier post -opinion of David Starkey – really says it all, as far as the Supreme Court judgement goes. Great stuff from one who knows.
I do hope the Brexit BC are promoting this doll. It should help children relate to Greta, as Mrs Leadsome has.
Gotta hand it to the green people – great marketing – just a shame people don’t like being bullied .
Nice to hear a ‘something’s melting ‘ story today – always cheers me up. Off to burn some diesel taking my plastic bottle to throw in the sea …
( bit of fodder for the hysterical midnight trolls there )…
Isn’t there normally a string you pull at the back….who is pulling it?
Soros is one of the main puppet masters. I believe the Bilderberg Group are also string holders.
SoylentEU!
The Rbc being a major component of the Remain supporting media has surely gone “All-In” now with its trans-Atlantic agenda of
“GET TRUMP- GET BORIS ”
Surely amongst the next Conservative and Brexit party manifesto’s
there must be a clear line to conduct a root and branch audit of this
operation ….and 2 objectives
1) That they cancel the unjustified process of over 75 Licence tax
2) They are converted to a subscription service with the lifetime of the next parliament.
Well Comres, or Conres as I call them have a new poll up which shows a tie between the Tories and Labour. I expect them to keep spamming out polls until they get the result that they want which will be Labour in the lead while all other polls have shown a much larger lead to Johnson.
The public seem to be in full support of Johnson. At least the not so shouty types that the BBC seem to interview. I was in Tesco earlier and had a glance at the rags and noticed that the right leaning papers are in support of Boris while of course the Mirror have a nasty smear. Did not notice what the Guardian put down but no doubt it will be nasty enough for the BBC to quote.
Some good news though. The Tory conference still goes ahead. Johnson is sticking two fingers up to his critics so expect the BBC smears to get harder and harder
Geoffrey Cox in Parliament [on 5 Live] getting sanctimonious ordure poured upon him in large measures….holding his own though.
Note he said his legal advice was the orthodox view…the supreme court disagreed and made new law in order to slip the precedents already set…it has invented a new legal principle….so it was a constitutional coup by the judges.
‘From now on the prerogative power of her majesty and government is subject to court scrutiny’
‘Is it for this house to control these powers or the judges?’
Will the BBC pick up on those points or dismiss them as unimportant…despite being seismic?
John Redwood asking what limits are there on the court to intervene in parliamentary power and on brexit.
Cox….The court will now be able to assess whether a political controversy is sufficiently serious to warrant the House sitting…the test that must now be applied.
Cox….We can criticise judgements but not the motives of the judges…they are not immune from criticism…despite Sarah Wollaston demanding any minister criticising the judgement be sacked.
Watching it now. A lot of good stuff from Cox and he is holding out brilliantly. He is a profession and is sweeping the floor with the pushy remainers.
In other words, the BBC will ignore it
Pug
Got to take my hat off to you . Once upon a time I’d have watched it but not any more .
Meanwhile the murders by stabbing in Londonistan continue – 3 separate murders yesterday with plod imposing some sort of search order after the knife has done its job .im sure the local state broadcaster will mention the ‘police incidents ‘ in the traffic reports .
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650 MPs talk about avoiding the real elephant in the room .. Brexit.
Geoffrey Cox blasts the corrupt, shameless and dishonest Remain MPs…’this spineless gang’…
‘The time is coming when even these turkeys won’t be able to prevent Christmas coming!’
‘This Parliament is a dead Parliament…it should no longer sit…it has no moral right to sit on these benches…this Parliament is a disgrace…’ as they block Brexit and refuse to give the electorate the chance to have their voice heard.
Norwegian Blue….not dead, just resting…it’s been prorogued.
“This Parliament is a Dead Parliament and should no longer sit” !
“This Parliament is a Disgrace ”
“They are Cowardly ”
Will these words go down in British history ?
Jimmy O’Brien is aghast , what will Al Beeb say and make of this about this ?
Parliament is full of Turkeys .
Has Oliver Cromwell returned to Parliament ?