Start the Week Thread 30 March 2020

From the 1st April the biased BBC licence fee rises to £157.50 Per year . A well chosen day . I’m sure – to celebrate – those those highly paid lefties employed by the BBC and currently doing nothing as a result of the Chinese Virus – will be donating their huge wages to the NHS .Right ?

The formal consultation on compulsory funding of the BBC ends at 5pm on the 1st April 2020 . Anyone can make a submission.

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484 Responses to Start the Week Thread 30 March 2020

  1. Fedup2 says:

    Sluff – they’ve been reading my pre amble / filler on the thread – I’m sure they’ll all donate sizeable appearance fees to fund ‘front line ‘ NHS staff . The back line staff must feel well out of it ….

    By the way piku the troll made a brief trashed visit this afternoon – back to the trash with you piku .. the guardian comments section beckons ….


  2. Sluff says:

    Just reading various posts and suddenly it dawned on me.
    Fiona Bruce either is, on the QT, or else could verily easily be a very good undertaker. Perhaps that’s it.
    The low tone, the frown, the shake of the head, the incessant unending focus on doom and gloom……’s all there !
    I bet she even walks slowly.


  3. Sluff says:

    Not bBBC.
    But am I the only one disappointed by Dominic Raab’s unthinking blind 100% support for the Police at the news conference today and refusal to countenance, shall we say, the excessive enthusiasm of some of them to oversee new rules.
    Most plod are not over-endowed in the grey matter department and their new enabling powers to arrest people for buying ’the wrong things’ in shops are being enacted by the overzealous jobsworth no-common-sense end of the spectrum.
    Credit to a previous writer who mentioned the Not the Nine o Clock News Racist Policeman sketch. Wrong context but bang on in terms of concept.


  4. Guest Who says:

    When Alistair Met Emily.


    • Guest Who says:

      This seems a thing now.


  5. Celtic_Mist says:

    A while back the BBC ‘had been told’ to put more emphasis on local news

    It seems they done this but it means that the national news contains less.

    At 18.30 after hearing what I thought was the news, including awful numbers of deaths around the world, particularly in New York, and the terrible things some leaders are doing, notably in India, I suddenly realised I had heard nothing much about London.

    The number of deaths in London is standing at 407 or close to a third of the UK which is truly shocking.

    This is my wee corner of the UK


    • Fedup2 says:

      Celtic – I’m not surprised that the 400 plus deaths in London dont figure in headlines .

      I saw a breakdown by borough somewhere and the numbers dead are concentrated in three or four out of the 32 boroughs . There is a bit of a link concerning diversity but also ‘ lawlessness’ . If the numbers increase then I guess the ‘ strain ‘ will increase and a certain sub species will be eyeing up currys again to get the 42” plasma …


  6. Celtic_Mist says:

    The ‘Local Democracy’ Reporting Service –

    “The Local Democracy Reporting Service created up to 150 new journalism jobs to help fill a gap in the reporting of local democracy issues across the UK.”

    An LDRS story appears here –

    Local Democracy Reporting Service –

    “London MP denies racism accusations over coronavirus comment

    Bob Stewart’s Facebook post

    A south-east London MP has been accused of racism after he referred to coronavirus as a “foul Chinese illness”.

    MP for Beckenham Bob Stewart rejected the accusation and said he had not wanted to “score points”.

    In a post published on his Facebook page this weekend, Mr Stewart wrote: “In truth most people who contract this foul Chinese illness seem to brush it off with a bit of a cough, a higher temperature and a headache.”

    The comments drew criticism from residents and political figures in the borough.”

    Is the BBC trying to replicate a Chinese ‘big brother’?

    That’s got me thinking now – who is my local reporter?


  7. StewGreen says:

    Inside Out is pushing less agendas today, as it is mostly about Corona
    but some areas carry this item from an Ethnic Chinese teaching in Hackney
    ..saying her children get anti-Chinese racism


    • StewGreen says:

      Most areas carry the seg about a Old folks home worker crying cos there is no PPE
      .. Is there an actual risk ?
      The film makes it clear , there is no known corona INSIDE the home, nor at the workers home
      .. So to me that is totally different to being a doctor in a corona ward.

      SW edition
      – The Falmouth Gospel cry .. a big group of older white women, led by a black woman

      SE edition
      – features drag queen working from home
      .. the prog has an item about Bamber Gasgoigne’s massive Tudor mansion house he’s inherited from his aunt.

      Northwest : “we meet the Hindu men from Bolton who have formed a Scottish pipe band.”
      + why assaults on prison officers in North West jails have more than doubled in recent years

      East Mids – “worrying incidents in grassroots football” Former footballer Matt Piper investigates racism.

      Northeast :A look back special
      inc Medomsley Youth Remand Centre historic abuse
      : The prison Cook raped 200+ young men ..He died in jail
      2 more officers have been charged with assault and sex offences.


    • vlad says:

      “Mark those calendars tonight”

      Unmissable, I’m sure.


  8. pugnazious says:

    The BBC’s coverage of the coronavirus has always been negative towards the government, always trying to find something, anything, to complain about in order to undermine the government and its approach. You might think the national broadcaster would be helping to build confidence and trust whilst still being honestly critical when necessary. However it just seems to be wilfully obstructive and critical, almost as if it would like the coronavirus to take the government down….a perfect example of such an approach is MSNBC’s snarky and wholly subjective and perjorative comment on Trump’s assertion on Saturday that a US Navy hospital ship would arrive in New York Harbour within days as the presenter poured scorn upon the idea…based on what?…clearly just a personal view based on her hatred of Trump….

    The ship then duly arrived today, only two days later, of course….

    ‘A naval hospital ship has docked in Manhattan.

    A Navy hospital ship that docked in Manhattan this morning is expected to provide relief to the city’s overwhelmed hospitals by freeing up beds to be used for coronavirus patients.

    The 1,000-bed ship, the Comfort, with 12 operating rooms, a medical laboratory and more than 1,000 Navy officers, arrived at Pier 90 off West 50th Street in Manhattan just before 11 a.m., and Mayor Bill de Blasio said that 750 of its beds will be put to use “immediately.”’

    The BBC itself spreads lies about the coronavirus and the government’s approach.

    When the Chancellor announced his budget measures to help businesses the BBC spent a whole day telling us that this meant businesses couldn’t claim insurance…in fact they could make such claims all along.

    Emma Barnett was caught telling porkies and had to be corrected actually during her programme by the government which rang in as she was telling everyone they couldn’t go to work unless they were key workers…a total lie….she then rapidly tried to claim that well, this was about human feeling not facts as such and people were feeling guilty about going to work so she was right to raise the subject…you might ask then why she had been pointing fingers at people going to work and accusing them of putting others at risk.

    We then had Newsnight trying to claim the government was covering up death statistics….from Guido…

    ‘NHS is Not Trying to Cover Up Coronavirus Death Statistics

    A video has been doing the rounds this morning of last night’s Newsnight claim that the NHS requires family consent* to release death figures. Combined with the late release of Wednesday’s figures, and their smaller increase than Tuesday’s numbers, figures from across the political spectrum are now questioning whether the figures are being “fiddled” by the Government.
    The Health Department says that contrary to the inference many took from Newsnight’s report, the way the data is collected hasn’t changed, just the timing. Time to put your tinfoil hats back in the cupboard, folks…

    *They don’t. Public Health England (PHE) does not need the consent of families to publish national death statistics.’

    Then we had Sopel who for some reason cobbled together a list of what he claimed were Trump lies….Sopel claimed Trump called the coronavirus a hoax…trouble is that has long been a lie discredited even by the no-fan-of-Trump Snopes website which states…

    ‘Did President Trump Refer to the Coronavirus as a ‘Hoax’?

    Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.

    Sopel has long felt the need not just to sneer at and mock Trump but to actually lie about him and his supporters….

    ‘And, in particular, what did this say about the nastiness of Trump’s America?
    The elderly Native American had his life turned over. The Covington boys, who went from an ugly MAGA hat-wearing mob to pious Catholic students in a heartbeat, got a mauling too – perhaps justifiably.’

    What? The boys, who were entirely innocent and well behaved, got a mauling…’perhaps justifiably’??? Only in Sopel’s mad little mind was any of the zealous attacks on the boys justifiable….not least of course the attacks made by the BBC itself which held court and passed judgement on the boys before any facts had actually come out….though as we see the facts make little difference to the likes of Sopel….the same Sopel who told us Trump lied when he said China was trying to interfere in the mid-term elections even though the Chinese government itself had published a video which stated it was trying to alter the votes of people in Trump supporting states….Sopel blocked me on Twitter for pointing this out.

    From the Guardian itself…

    ‘China threatens ‘Trump country’ with retaliatory tariffs ahead of midterms’

    The BBC is the fake news factory.


  9. Socialist Dungheap says:

    Watch the governments briefings and then am amazed at the questions from the ‘journalists’ to which the adviser or government minister has to repeat/paraphrase what they said in the briefing. I am left thinking that the degree in journalism has been for most of them an abject waste of time and money. Is it just me?


    • Up2snuff says:

      SD, no, it is not just you.

      I’m amazed at the situations, say, on TOADY where the studio presenter goes live to a journalist on the spot at an ‘event’. Presenter tells journo what happened, journo repeats back almost word for word what presenter in studio has said. After two or three exchanges like that the the journo might add something new but there, again, might not.

      What a waste of money by a Corporation that has too much of it.


    • Guest Who says:

      The bbc is a problem. Not a solution.


  10. Fedup2 says:

    Dung heap
    Plenty on here and twitter have criticised the MSM for putting up political journos instead of those who specialise in science / medicine – this results in the ‘ gotcha’ question such as – you’re only doing 9000 tests when you’re claiming 10000 …. which to anxious members of the public is a disservice – and we deserve better .

    We are only one week in – it seems like an eternity but considering many have at least another week to go – and maybe another 11 weeks – is small beer .

    I caught a bit of one bbc drone interviewing another bbc drone about “ when ‘exactly ‘ the prohibitions are going to be lifted as though there is some one who actually knows . What a disgusting disservice to viewers .


    • Jeff says:

      The questions are just so bloody tiresome and predictable.
      We really need a few different journo’s there to ask some relevant questions. I could write Laura’s for her!
      Constantly going for the “gotcha” makes the politicians defensive. This is a serious problem and we need a few grown ups there.
      I must confess that Laura (particularly) irritates me. She’s like the girl at school who keeps putting her hand up before the teacher’s even had a chance to ask a question. Give somebody else a chance.

      I’d like to see Peter Hitchens there.
      Blimey, that would set the cat among the pigeons…


      • BRISSLES says:

        If Laura is top girl, then Beth Rigby is a close second. I just want to slap the pair of them whenever I see or hear them (and I’m normally such a mild mannered creature 🙂 )


    • The WestWyvern says:

      Amazing Fed, they banged on for days and days about going into lockdown. Now a week into it and hey they, are banging on about when it will end.

      I suspect the infringements on civil liberties, lots of their friends in the arts and crafts business, suffering impacts to their way of life is focusing their little minds as to what it truly means.


      • Guest Who says:

        And lo, no sooner said than VD stirs…


      • Oaknash says:

        Wyvern – I expect the boys and girls from North London are now getting tired of their “virtual” cocktail parties and free home holiday which we will all be paying for, for decades – well tough snowflakes, maybe you should have been a bit more careful about what you wished for.


  11. StewGreen says:

    Breaking : undercover report claims to have proof the Democrats engaged in corruption re the Covid Bill

    The video claims : arts groups were not even asking for money
    Then Dems come in and say we can get you cash in the Covid bill.
    $25 million to the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts
    … the thing is the KC is already loaded and could have taken the Covid hit

    Other grants
    $75 million in grants to the National Endowment for the Arts
    $75 million in grants to the National Endowment for the Humanities
    $75 million to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting


  12. Guest Who says:

    So… Muppets, Dancing Balloons, and now…

    ‘Essential viewing’.



  13. pugnazious says:

    Consider that the government thinks the Coronavirus may be a yearly recurring threat…and then ask yourself if that is so is the current massive lockdown the right approach or even workable as it fails to provide that fabled ‘herd immunity’ and thus leaves us open to a resurgence of the disease when the lockdown ends or when it makes a yearly reappearance? And consider the financial cost.

    Consider that in 2011 the government assessed that business would lose around £28bn due to a pandemic, maybe £40bn now a days…is it then sensible to spend hundreds of billions propping up business when a far lesser sum could be spent to ensure the NHS is not overwhelmed which is the ultimate aim of the lockdown? Perhaps allow the spread of the disease, develop herd immunity[consider again that the disease may not go away at all…will we lockdown every year from now on? Herd immunity would help stop that] and spend the money in a more targeted way on the NHS.

    Consider that it is expected that the economy will take a 15% hit due to the lockdown and that maybe nearly 3 million will lose their jobs…how is that in anyway a sensible way of dealing with this threat? When that threat has dwindled, at least for now, what state will the NHS and all public services be left in? We will have austerity imposed for decades to pay for it with those services reduced to a shadow of what they were and just a pipe-dream for what was proposed just months ago with the big plans for massive investment.

    The BBC prefers to criticise the government for its ability to implement the draconian measures and to get kit to hospitals rather than question the viability of the whole approach of trying to temporarily slow down the virus. The BBC in fact is part of the problem as it, and other media, pressure the government to take ever more draconian measures and to lockdown the country even more….and seems quite happy that a free nation built on progressive values such as freedom of speech, thought and movement finds its citizens suddenly under house arrest, bullied and intimidated by thuggish police officers.

    When will the BBC ask if the ‘cure’ is actually worse than the disease?

    The BBC’s Nick Triggle broached the subject but have we seen or heard anything from the BBC that actually asks this and rigorously questions the cost benefits considering a ruined economy can equally cost lives?….

    ‘‘What else has not been done is a proper assessment of the economic and social costs of the measures taken, which themselves will put lives and health at risk.

    As we get deeper into this crisis, we will need much greater intelligence on just how many lives are truly being saved, and compare that to the wider cost to society, so the government and the public can weigh up the best course of action.’’

    BBC Scotland notes that the economy is being wrecked but thinks that that is an acceptable and necessary price of following ‘the science’…

    ‘There have been pandemics before, but not in an era of a highly integrated economy, financially leveraged and geared to continue at or close to full tilt. The economy is not designed to cope with lockdown.

    Nor has there been such a rampant infection in an era when medical science can track its course, and mobilise the resources and know-how to stamp it out. That knowledge gives the justification for lockdown. The economy and society are being forced to bend and buckle under the weight of medical statistics, so as to change the shape of a graphicised bell curve.’

    Is it though when the average deaths from flu in England are 17,000? Why no lockdowns for seasonal flu which regularly kills thousands?

    And what of our our freedoms as democracy is put on hold and the police roam the streets intimidating and bullying people going about their perfectly legal business?

    Maybe the BBC worm is turning as Lord Sumption gets a say on WATO….

    From The Spectator….

    Former Supreme Court Justice: ‘This is what a police state is like’

    ‘BBC interviewer Jonny Dymond: ‘A hysterical slide into a police state. A shameful police force intruding with scant regard to common sense or tradition. An irrational overreaction driven by fear.’ These are not the accusations of wild-eyed campaigners, they come from the lips of one our most eminent jurists Lord Sumption, former Justice of the Supreme Court. I spoke to him just before we came on air.

    Lord Sumption: The real problem is that when human societies lose their freedom, it’s not usually because tyrants have taken it away. It’s usually because people willingly surrender their freedom in return for protection against some external threat. And the threat is usually a real threat but usually exaggerated. That’s what I fear we are seeing now. The pressure on politicians has come from the public. They want action. They don’t pause to ask whether the action will work. They don’t ask themselves whether the cost will be worth paying. They want action anyway. And anyone who has studied history will recognise here the classic symptoms of collective hysteria. Hysteria is infectious. We are working ourselves up into a lather in which we exaggerate the threat and stop asking ourselves whether the cure may be worse than the disease.

    Dymond: At a time like this, as you acknowledge, citizens do look to the state for protection, for assistance, we shouldn’t be surprised then if the state takes on new powers if it responds. That is what it has been asked to do, almost demanded of it.

    Sumption: Yes that is absolutely true. We should not be surprised. But we have to recognise that this is how societies become despotisms. And we also have to recognise this is a process which leads naturally to exaggeration. The symptoms of coronavirus are clearly serious for those with other significant medical conditions, especially if they’re old. There are exceptional cases in which young people have been struck down, which have had a lot of publicity, but the numbers are pretty small. The Italian evidence, for instance, suggests that only in 12 per cent of deaths is it possible to say coronavirus was the main cause of death. So yes this is serious and yes it’s understandable that people cry out to the government. But the real question is: is this serious enough to warrant putting most of our population into house imprisonment, wrecking our economy for an indefinite period, destroying businesses that honest and hardworking people have taken years to build up, saddling future generations with debt, depression, stress, heart attacks, suicides and unbelievable distress inflicted on millions of people who are not especially vulnerable and will suffer only mild symptoms or none at all, like the Health Secretary and the Prime Minister.

    Dymond: The executive, the government, is all of a sudden really rather powerful and really rather unscrutinised. Parliament is in recess, it’s due to come back in late April, we’re not quite sure whether it will or not, the Prime Minister is closeted away, communicating via his phone, there is not a lot in the way of scrutiny is there?

    Sumption: No. Certainly, there’s not a lot in the way of institutional scrutiny. The press has engaged in a fair amount of scrutiny, there has been some good and challenging journalism. But mostly the press has, I think, echoed and indeed amplified the general panic.

    Dymond: The restrictions in movement have also changed the relationship between the police and those whose, in name, they serve. The police are naming and shaming citizens for travelling at what they see as the wrong time or driving to the wrong place. Does that set alarm bells ringing for you, as a former senior member of the judiciary?

    Sumption: Well, I have to say, it does. I mean, the tradition of policing in this country is that policemen are citizens in uniform. They are not members of a disciplined hierarchy operating just at the government’s command. Yet in some parts of the country, the police have been trying to stop people from doing things like travelling to take exercise in the open country, which are not contrary to the regulations, simply because ministers have said that they would prefer us not to. The police have no power to enforce ministers’ preferences, but only legal regulations – which don’t go anything like as far as the government’s guidance. I have to say that the behaviour of the Derbyshire police in trying to shame people into using their undoubted right to take exercise in the country and wrecking beauty spots in the Fells so that people don’t want to go there, is frankly disgraceful.

    This is what a police state is like. It’s a state in which the government can issue orders or express preferences with no legal authority and the police will enforce ministers’ wishes. I have to say that most police forces have behaved in a thoroughly sensible and moderate fashion. Derbyshire police have shamed our policing traditions. There is a natural tendency of course, and a strong temptation for the police to lose sight of their real functions and turn themselves from citizens in uniform into glorified school prefects. I think it’s really sad that the Derbyshire police have failed to resist that.

    Dymond: There will be people listening who admire your legal wisdom but will also say ‘well, he’s not an epidemiologist, he doesn’t know how disease spreads, he doesn’t understand the risks to the health service if this thing gets out of control’. What do you say to them?

    Sumption: What I say to them is I am not a scientist but it is the right and duty of every citizen to look and see what the scientists have said and to analyse it for themselves and to draw common sense conclusions. We are all perfectly capable of doing that and there’s no particular reason why the scientific nature of the problem should mean we have to resign our liberty into the hands of scientists. We all have critical faculties and it’s rather important, in a moment of national panic, that we should maintain them.

    Dymond: Lord Sumption, former Justice of the Supreme Court, speaking to me earlier. We put his criticism of Derbyshire police to the force and they sent us this statement: ‘Our advice to the public was in line with national government instruction and echoed what people in our communities were saying following thousands of people that travelled to the Peak District National Park the previous weekend. The weekend just gone saw much smaller numbers and we thank the public for their response.’ ‘


  14. Guest Who says:

    Shots fired.

    Rach of course is one of Jon and gang’s primary sources of RTs.


  15. pugnazious says:

    Curious that the BBC made it seem that it was the workers in London who were the problem and not Sadiq Khan who had cut the number of trains and thus forced people to travel in dangerously packed carriages….

    Coronavirus: Sadiq Khan warns ‘stop Tube travel or more will die’

    The article quickly glosses over Khan’s part in the chaos and downplays the role he has played in the dangers to passengers….the passengers who know who is to blame….

    ‘This is STILL how I have to travel to work’: Furious NHS nurse tweets snap of packed Tube as fury grows at Sadiq Khan over reduced services a WEEK into lockdown



    When will the BBC stop protecting it’s Labour Party Muslim mayor?


  16. pugnazious says:

    Lawrence Fox continues to amuse us, and no doubt appall the Luvvies, as he suggests acting gives him the insight to solve climate change as Lady Gaga sets out to save the world from the Coronavirus…..

    Lawrence Fox….appearing only on Fox TV for the forseeable, and likely very limited, future of his career should the luvvies strike back.


  17. Guest Who says:

    Lest any think the bbc has lost its touch,…

    If Astrophysicists want to invent things up their nose to cure viruses… why not, I say.


  18. StewGreen says:

    The Lord Sumption video on the previous page
    restores my faith that they are not ALL thick in London.


    • StewGreen says:

      Incredibly our 7am local news led with Lord Sumption
      .. at 8am they added a local farmer complaining about how an overzealous council had banned the quiet small town market where she sells her produce on a Saturday.


  19. Loobyloo says:

    Sky have several articles regarding the over-zealous British plod. Interesting that Al Beeb don’t.


  20. Roland Deschain says:

    Oh, Lordy. Kate Winslet was in a film about a virus, so who better for the media to dredge up to tell us how to keep safe?

    And in other news, John Hurt will be on to tell us what to do in the event of a sore stomach.


    • Wink1 says:

      Roland, the comments are hilarious too!


    • Wink1 says:

      Roland, the comments are hilarious too!


    • Tabs says:

      Reminds me when Corbyn met Prof Green to talk about mental health and all the Twitter comments were saying things like “do you realise he is not a real professor?” and “next week Corbyn meets Dr Dre to talk about prostrate cancer”.


  21. JimS says:

    What’s the betting that when we get let out of our kennels we will be told that we need another million people from Africa ‘to re-build the economy’?


  22. LastChanceSaloon says:

    I apologise for coughing over BBBC regulars.
    I do not have any tissues left.
    I have also used all the 96 toilet rolls I bought last week.

    The reported imminent collapse of the Euro has caused my lachrymal glands to overflow.
    Most Polynesian atolls are now beneath the sea.


  23. LastChanceSaloon says:
    “Nipsey Hussle: Who killed the rapper in LA?
    Rapper Nipsey Hussle was killed in March 2019 – are we any closer to understanding his death?
    31 March 2020”

    “Watch The Mysterious Murder of Nipsey Hussle on iPlayer in the UK.”

    More fuss about one dead, black, US gangster than the hundreds of thousands of UK white children gang raped
    by Muslims.

    Disgusting, shut the BBC now Boris.


  24. Darcy3 says:

    RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: This is the police – step away from the Creme Egg…

    FFS part 1


    • Guest Who says:

      So, how’s the promoting diversity beyond all reason and competence going, CP?


    • Guest Who says:

      Will helicopters be involved? And bbc staff?


      • G says:

        “Gravity of the situation”? Sexually abused children don’t count when one considers, “Gravity”, well, at least not in the UK police handbook of ‘Guidance’.


      • john in cheshire says:

        The Manic Street Preachers song – If You Tolerate This – comes to mind.


    • G says:

      Developed over the past several years and based upon an element of personal experience of being subject to dishonesty over alleged, hate thoughts.
      I now only feel revulsion for the UK police service.


      • john in cheshire says:

        The police are not and never have been our friends and for a long time they no longer think they are our servants.


  25. Darcy3 says:

    ‘Your conduct will be remembered for generations’: Senior counter-terror officer Neil Basu warns police against ‘overzealous’ enforcing of coronavirus lockdown after peers slammed shaming of walkers with drones

    Ex-High Court judge Lord Sumption and ex-terrorism legislation reviewer Lord Anderson are both critical
    Officers have patrolled the country looking to break up picnics and parties to halt spread of coronavirus
    Shopkeepers say police and environmental health officers have been in telling them what can be sold
    The Association of Convenience Stores says that this has included warnings about stocking Easter eggs


    • Oaknash says:

      We remember a lot about the police already Neil, especially with regard to your complicity in covering up child sexual abuse by “men” in northern towns. Aided and abetted by the BBC.

      Neil has come out with some corkers over the years including
      Britain’s head of counter-terror policing has said homegrown terrorism is fuelled by a lack of social mobility and inclusion.

      Neil Basu, the Metropolitan police assistant commissioner, said better education and opportunities for young people would do more to fight terrorism than ‘the policing and state security apparatus put together’.

      He also said British Muslims should not be forced to ‘assimilate’, adding: ‘Assimilation implies that I have to hide myself in order to get on. We should not be a society that accepts that.’

      Best you stick to policing creme eggs Neil – you might be better at it.

      Or maybe just shut the f### up – because we know what you really think about liberty and protecting us, we dont care anymore about anything you say , it is too bloody late.


    • G says:

      Yes, I personally remember the officers who visited me late one evening in October 2017 to check on my thinking. Two days before I went into hospital for my second hip replacement.
      I’ve nothing charitable to say about the police force.


  26. Darcy3 says:

    Now the local authority council officers are getting involved we are truly in trouble, with those little Hitlers, or should that be Stalins ?

    Kompuha sez NO, Daha protekshun sez NO, our policee sez NO etc etc


    • Fedup2 says:

      The police are being given more detailed directions on how to treat the public –

      1 shoot on site ( this includes people walking their dogs more than 10 feet from their home )

      2 give them a ticket

      3 seize their shopping / running

      4 apply the ignore policy – as used
      Very effectively with Muslim
      Pakistani paedo rape gangs

      5 none of this of course applies to
      the Emirs’ Londonistan
      underground where everyone can
      happily cram in .


  27. The WestWyvern says:

    Interestingly, after days of solid post on this site regarding a number of topics, the Anti-BBC news this AM,

    1. Home office instruct Police Farces across the UK to apply common sense and consistent approach during chinese corona virus.

    2. Gatwick Airport to shut to all plague carrier flights

    Ok, so I’ve added a few words/paraphrased, but sometimes I do think that ‘someone or other’ reads this site….

    Interestingly, point 1 was ‘revealed’ to the Anti-BBC in ‘some’ papers, they say…

    Those uncivil serpents up to their leaks again then hey Dom?


  28. The WestWyvern says:

    The morning travel guy on BBC Radio2, a gay fella named Ritchie. He’s on today with the main DJ, talking, In my opinion utter crap.

    Now yesterday during the Ken Bruce show, there was a strict announcement that ‘we are not doing travel, there’s no travel, you can’t travel’

    So my question dear Ritchie, ‘what are you for’?


  29. Guest Who says:

    Essential. The bbc likes this one.

    And the bbc likes Jim’s too.


    • john in cheshire says:

      Jim? I wonder if he knows another Jim, a washing machine salesman?

      I think Mr Acosta’s real name is Abilio.


  30. Non Snowflake says:

    Not bBBC (although in many ways it’s a very similar website) but if you go to Wikipedia and look at the list of recent notable deaths, all of the Coronavirus-related ones are listed as dying from “COVID-19”. Not (as they should be) “Complications from COVID-19”, or “serious health issues exacerbated by COVID-19”, or anything which would be accurate, no, it’s “Mr. Such and Such, 76, Politician, COVID-19”.

    This of course is misleading, as is much of the current news around this virus. It gives the impression that these people were in tip-top health, but decided to walk only 1.9m from someone and therefore were immediately struck down by this unstoppable plague.

    It just adds to the scaremongering. We’re in a very dangerous place at the moment, I mean socially rather than health-wise.


    • LynetteO says:

      A report this morning highlighted the bad conditions of the refugees on Lesbos island with no facilicities to fight COVID 19. The boy that she described having a “round face with big eyes” showed the BBC’s agenda here !. No mention of the Israelis who have been helping Syrian refugees on the island of Lesbos for over four years. Or of the school they had built there which was burnt down by Palestinian Arabs. Israeli-Arab news anchor Lucy Aharish was interviewed on BBC World Service recently and described what the school had achieved . Listen from 7 minutes.


    • LastChanceSaloon says:


      Start the Week Thread 23 March 2020

      LastChanceSaloon MARCH 24, 2020 AT 3:25 PM

      My analysis of the HardLeftyPedia “sources”, also known as the BBC and the Guardian.


    • The Sage says:

      Yes, some reports do say died after testing positive for COVID-19, which is not quite the same thing as dying from COVID-19. But these are all deemed to be deaths from the virus (for statistical and panic-inducing purposes) when, indeed, they may not be.
      This hysteria has to stop. See my recent UK death rate stats below.


    • StewGreen says:

      Non-S what does the Wikipedia page’s Talk section say ?


  31. Doobster78 says:

    Just imagine !! This would clearly mean the WHOLE BBC banged up for 5 years. The joy.


  32. Guest Who says:

    What… were the odds?


  33. StewGreen says:

    9am Radio4 maths show
    Supermarket stockpiling, A-level results and Covid-19 gender disparity


  34. The Sage says:

    UK coronavirus death toll (from memory):
    Friday: 260; Saturday; 209; Sunday 180. Any mention by the BBC of this particular trend? If there is, then I can’t find one.
    But let’s only save the NHS and bankrupt everyone else.


    • StewGreen says:

      but since the daily case count was still rising at the start of last week .. I guess that should follow through to become an increased death count at the start of this week


  35. theleftwilleatitself says:

    Announcement to be made on Wednesday that Wimbledon will be cancelled this year ????
    On top of the Olympics being postponed and possibly add in to the mix SPOTY will be a joke as the sports calendar will have been ripped to shreds, it’s not looking a good year sportswise for al beeb ????
    An ‘annus horribilis’ maybe ????
    Now I wonder if, as a result of this, the dwindling amount of licence fee payers may be entitled to some sort of discount or refund? ????


    • Doobster78 says:

      Fear not, great news !!!


      • Ian Rushlow says:

        If by “want the Women’s Super League season to finish” they mean end, discontinue, cease to be, vanish into history, then I don’ t think anyone would disagree, other than the BBC Wimmin’s Sport team. Plus the BBC would save nearly £17.25 on the annual TV rights, which would help eke out the TV poll tax money a little further.


    • G.W.F. says:


      My dog won a rosette at Crufts and dozens of people hugged me.


    • john in cheshire says:

      If only it was the racist far-left bbc’s Ultimus Annos.


  36. StewGreen says:

    Dr Hilary on GMB
    “Peter Hitchens is wrong to compare the UK to other countries”
    … ‘now lets compare the UK to Italy’


    • Nodding Dog says:

      Did Doctor Hilary really need to be in the studio hasn’t he got a bookshelf at home he could sit in front of?


    • john in cheshire says:

      Well at least Dr Hilary ticks one box; he’s got a girl’s name.

      He’s a very obedient lapdog, though. No danger of him losing his appearance pieces of silver.


  37. taffman says:

    The are at it again!…………..
    “Delay Brexit deadline amid coronavirus, say MEPs”
    “The European Parliament’s largest group of MEPs said the pandemic puts pressure on the chance of securing a trade deal by the planned date.”

    So just who are , ‘The European People’s Party’ ?
    Remember that we democratically voted to leave 4 years ago. Its almost as long as the First World War took to get done !


    • Up2snuff says:

      Leaving with No Deal, is hardly going to be a problem now is it?

      Cue young Michael Caine-type voice: “Tarrah!”


    • theisland says:

      “The EU has always been open to extending the transition period – the ball is now clearly in the British court.”

      As Jeff Taylor asks between 3:30-7:03 – then why don’t the EU request an extension via the Joint Committee in accordance with Art. 132 of the WA?
      Not that we want one.
      Why are the EU (via the bBC) saying it’s all down to us?


  38. StewGreen says:

    9:45am a repeat of last years Grenfell doco, complete with brainwashing music.

    “Three survivors of the Grenfell Tower fire – Alison Moses, Emma O’Connor and Antonio Roncolato – recall the hardships they have faced since that fateful night in 2017.”


    • JamesArthur says:

      How low does the MSM have to go before everyone switches off and just watches Netflix and Prime…

      How long will they keep banging on about Grenfell – more people have died of/with CV19..ah but many are old white Brits so not as important


      • Scroblene says:

        The BBBC only report victims, James, it’s their twisted way of virtue-signalling.

        Sad really, as they get an awful lot of money for a pretty low output.


  39. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #1 – BBC TOADILY

    JustRemainIn & the Bee Lady are presenters, our Mishal not so dominant these days. JustRemainIn gets to compare EUGermany with yUK (in his mind, his way of thinking?) and UK hasn’t done enough testing, especially on demand, for husky, coughy, Beeboids.

    He interviews testing ‘expert’ (sorry, cannot remember name): “why can’t we be like Singapore, oh, and Germany?”

    JustRemainIn obviously ignorant of Singapore. Have to declare an interest here. Had Singaporean friend (now deceased few years ago) and other friends who lived and worked there for a while. Also have S.Korean friend so have a little background from both countries.

    However; that’s not my main beef. It is the lack of thoughtful, careful questioning of various experts on R4 that concerns me. The BBC could be really useful at a time like this. It could be informing listeners. Teaching listeners. Inspiring young people to become interested in and seek future careers in science and medicine.

    But no.

    All the BBC want to do is find fault with the UK and denigrate the present Government.

    Hunting for information and educating everyone about testing for viruses is just not on the agenda. Fifty years ago, James Burke would have been on Radio 4 (and BBC 1 & 2 TV), day and night, teaching listeners and viewers all about our inner space instead of outer space.

    Instead, JustRemainIn says lamely “Sorry to hurry you, we only have limited time (a lie) why haven’t we done the 10,000 tests the Government said would be done? Why can’t we do 100,000 like Germany? (assuming without checking the German claim is accurate) ”




    • Up2snuff says:

      What JustRemainIn and his testing expert did not point out to R4 listeners is that, for all their testing, Germany are now the third sickest country in the EU.

      That may mean several things, one of which is that their testing is not reliable and is throwing up false positives. Another is that the testing may not be ‘fine’ enough to differentiate between ‘flu’ and Covid-19 in someone who is asymptomatic.


      • john in cheshire says:

        And it might be because of all the muslim invaders that Mrs Merkel has forced into the country.

        Is there any breakdown in any white majority country of those who are infected with and who are dying from this virus? The two doctors who died in our country were ethnics, I believe.


  40. SkeptikEye says:

    I have a recipe for crispy deep fried toilet paper made with a ‘special blend of herbs and spices’. Mmm, ‘Finger lickin’ good’ and you don’t have to wipe after using the toilet.


  41. G.W.F. says:

    Boris to write to every householder with corona advice



  42. Tabs says:

    Back in November (I think) I complained to the BBC about a BBC News presenters comments about a cake competition. They showed a cake of Trump and Kim Jon Il and the presenter said with a smile “… a cake of Trump and his little rocket man”.

    I’d thought I would complain for the hell of it especially as it is racist to make fun of a person due to their preceived or real physical attributes.

    After a short 2 months I get my reply saying I am totally wrong and the BBC are always perfect and that this “was a bit of light hearted fun and the newsreader was just quoting what others say”.

    So I thought I would drag this out some more and explain you cannot say racist things on live TV just because someone else has done so and gave an example “it would be offensive to say n*gger on live TV just because someone else has said that before”.

    3 months later, today, I get my second reply….
    We have read and noted your points but don’t consider they suggest evidence of a possible breach of standards. The item was a lighthearted report on a cake competition and in that context cannot reasonably be construed as derogatory or offensive.

    Opinions do vary widely about the BBC and its output, but this does not necessarily mean there has been a breach of standards or of the BBC’s public service obligations. For this reason we regret we don’t have more to add to our previous correspondence, and so will not respond further or address more questions or points.

    The newsreader was black so I guess she is always right and the viewer is always wrong but a 4 month wait to tell me that!!!


  43. StewGreen says:

    Mike Graham pointed out that there are about 2,000 births/day in UK
    So Covid19 hasn’t caught up yet even though 200/day die WITH it…. (not of it)


    • Tabs says:

      Not forgetting the 300,000 (official) net immigration into the UK. I don’t think the UK population will decrease anytime soon.


  44. pugnazious says:

    The problem with the BBC was encapsulated in about 15 minutes of Today programme broadcasting.

    The BBC spent three years sneering at Brexiteers for daring to suggest ‘experts’ might not be the be all and end all…of course the Brexiteers were talking about economists and not actual experts…a difference the BBC glosses over in its sneering….last week we had the author Ian McEwan, straight from his ‘Zoom’ dinner with his well-heeled luvvie mates in New York, telling us the coronavirus was possibly a good thing as people now realise experts are a good thing and that the dreadful populists and nativists come to realise how great the unifying EU and free movement are….lol.

    Now however experts, real experts, seem to be out and the highly political, ill-judged and ill-informed mutterings of opportunist politicians and various associated commentators seem to take precedence over the real experts.

    Justin Webb saw no problem in asking this morning if the government hadn’t been badly advised by his scientific advisors…and thus we are late to the party on the ‘right course’ of action in regard to the coronavirus.

    So right there you have two problems…one the BBC’s hypocritical dismissal of the experts and its assumption that the course of action it, and its political allies in Labour, prefer is the correct one and the government’s the wrong one.

    The government wanted to allow herd immunity to develop, consider no vaccine will be available for maybe 18 months [there’s none for SARS after 18 years], but the media and Labour piled in and pressurised them into changing the course of action and imposing a lockdown…but even that limited lockdown isn’t enough…they want a total lockdown with no-one allowed to go to work. No herd immunity and no vaccine means a lockdown will never end.

    And right there’s another problem with the BBC’s coverage and approach…on Today we heard that garden centres are in freefall and many will never reopen…but instead of questioning whether the lockdown is the right way forward the BBC just demanded more money to bail the centres out…and it is the same with all its reports on inkling that the lockdown approach is wrong, just demands for more and more bailouts…this is the BBC that demanded builders, the majority self-employed, be stopped from working.

    The BBC knows the economy is being wrecked and the future blighted but it turns away and fails to hold the government to account…but then of course it would be holding itself to account for Boris & Co crumbled and implemented the policy that the BBC et al demanded.

    The BBC is making a lot of noise about Grant Shapps’ comments on the police heavy-handedness but fails to mention what else he has said….from The Telegraph…

    Cure for coronavirus could be ‘more harmful’ than pandemic, Grant Shapps says as he warns against crashing UK economy

    ‘The ‘cure’ for coronavirus could “more harmful” than the pandemic itself, a Cabinet minister has suggested, as he warned that sending all workers home risked crashing the economy.

    Grant Shapps, the Transport Secretary, defended the Government’s approach to the lockdown, insisting there was a need for some people to continue travelling to work.

    Labour and other opposition parties have called for stricter guidance to prevent non-essential workers from continuing to work as normal, amid fears it is undermining efforts to suppress the spread of the disease.

    But this morning Mr Shapps said ministers had to be “careful not to completely crash the economy,” warning that it could be “impossible or very difficult to pick up again afterwards.”

    Speaking to ITV’s Good Morning Britain, he added: “We have been straightforward and said, if you’re a key worker go out, but if you can’t do your job from home then it is acceptable to go out and do that work.

    “Otherwise, we will be in a position where we can’t re-start the economy and millions of people will be forced into a poverty situation that would do more harm than the virus itself. That’s really the balance.”‘

    Oddly, all that concern about Brexit and ‘cliff edges’ and ‘crashing the economy’ has suddenly been forgotten and the BBC is quite happy to see maybe a 15% drop in the economy and a possible 4 million unemployed…..sure, as said, the BBC talks about businesses in dire trouble but it doesn’t say this madness must stop…it believes that the lockdown, and an even stricter one, is a necessary evil….one that no doubt will be taken full advantage of to press other issues like climate change and marxism…the lockdown will be a rolling blunder that continues for years and the BBC et al will try to impose socialism and a Labour government upon us under the guise of a ‘national government’ regardless of election results.

    The BBC should stop interfering in politics and should stop making up its own ‘facts’.


  45. G says:

    Whichever way you look at it, the World as we know it, is under siege and it has been increasingly so for decades. The Chinese virus is a current irritant but a minor one compared to those who are all about destroying the World (and in particular the West) and, in their vision, somehow ‘starting afresh’. I’m not particularly bothered what they are called whether, Communists, Marxists, New World Order, XR Rebellion et al. I submit that the prime feature of their destructive behaviour can be viewed as, ‘heads you (they) win, tails you (they) win’. The evil will eventually win, hands down. The direction of travel, I like to think, is one of Absolute Zero. That attained in space. All other efforts to heat everything to an acceptable level, certainly for humanity to exist, is artificial. Everything will return to the natural Absolute Zero one day.
    That the evil will prevail sooner or later is, in my humble opinion a foregone conclusion. The growing conflict between all people irrespective of political persuasion, Nation State, cannot continue its inexorable accelerating slide downhill without hitting rock bottom sometime soon. And this, despite Trump, Brexit and other bright spots.


    • Up2snuff says:

      G, the Book of Revelation (in the Bible) makes interesting reading at the present time. Especially in conjunction with other Scripture, such as 2 Thessalonians, etc..

      For example Revelation chapter 6 verse 6. It has a double meaning which needs to be sought out elsewhere in scripture but is very applicable to right now. Chapter 9 verse 5 onwards is also interesting both in the age of drones in which we live but also in connection with a Virus Pandemic.

      Watch and pray and look to the state of your soul.


  46. StewGreen says:

    I see some people think they have a magic argument

    ‘Of course Covid19 is not just like the flu
    52 doctors have died of Covid in Italy’

    ..The thing is is doctors used to die of the flu
    but now they are vaccinated so doctors flu deaths are much rarer.


  47. tarien says:

    Another possible six months lock down! Very surprised that such an announcement was made by the Government Medics, without it would appear fully appreciating the consqences of such a statement . I suspect it will be impossible to implement-this nation has to get people back to work, so as to allow the preperation and manufacture of the goods that people will require and ugently in all sectors. Certain facilities have to be opened again, such as all Phamacists, Dentists, GP Surgery’s, Council Tips and collection of waste, delivery of all necessary items and services, like Fuel to keep the nation’s vehicles moving-otherwise this nation will undoubtedly crumble. The Government and its Medical advisers must be more careful in what they announce not to alarm the general public-which will only once again lead to panic buying and shortages. Much more testing needs to take place-in every supremarket store, irrespective and by law, every railway and bus station terminal, Airports, shipping lines, and so on-you name it. Don’t let us underestimate the serious issue of what this Covid 19 can do to all of us, the damage could be enormous-nevertheless we have to get the nation working again. So keep clam and let’s get going.


  48. theisland says:


  49. StewGreen says:

    Humberside news leads with Sumption story
    .. but the actual first clip was Emily Thornberry

    .. It’s such a cliche now on RH
    “Here’s some news, here’s the Labour viewpoint”


  50. StewGreen says:

    Climate : Patrick Moore is coming up on Talk Radio sometime in the show