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Clear as day what the BBC are up to. We all spotted this ourselves.
CCBGB also (as per)
Around 6pm last night I posted the link to Dr Chris Smith on BBCNews Q&A
He basically said “Sure I wear a proper mask in the hospital red zone, but in Tescos I wouldn’t wear a dust mask
.. the virus is so small it’s like wearing a hairnet on your face
.. plus it’s like a particle collector stuck to your face and then when you take it off you get those particles on your hands and probably touch your face”
Stew – I go out once a week now . I wear double masks and gloves . It makes me feel better . I realise the size of a virus – but I feel better wearing protective kit And practice decon at the end .
I think the doc excludes the psychological effect taking precautions has . I wonder too – if some of those drugs that are being tried out might also have a psychological effect on those infected in their fight against the Chinese virus .
At the Gov press conference I hope someone asks a question about care homes instead of just concentrating on hospitals which should sort themselves out .
If doctors are in reporting deaths in care homes caused by the virus – and just recording pneumonia that must be dealt with
I realise certain doctors have a strong financial involvement with care home owners which opens the door for corruption – I have witnessed this myself with a doctor who I found out had a conviction for a sex offence but had been allowed back on the books .
I forgot he did add
However if you have the virus a dust mask does reduce the chance of you coughing it over other people
..and it does act as a signal saying “keep your distance”
It doesn’t stop you breathing out virus, so if you were in the same room as someone it would still be in the air they breathe.
A mask lets virus through, the same way a sponge lets water though.
The example was given of a mask wearer in a supermarket
Her phone rang, she touched the front of her mask as she pulled it up and thus got particles onto her hands.
Stew, “A mask lets virus through, the same way a sponge lets water though.” Not quite. It was a Frenchman surgeon, whose name I have forgotten, who first started using masks at end of 19th century/beginning of 20th after a hunch and a study showed that doctors and nurses were infecting their patients. The improvement in outcomes led to a change of practice.
Your mask stops your nose drips, sneezes and conversation particulates hitting the wound and the tubes and the instruments. The reason medical staff wear motorcycle visors/welders visors with clear plastic came about in the AIDS/HIV era as it protects doctors and nurses from being infected from the patient via blood splatter.
Problem, Doobs, Stew & Fed, is that WHO have announced that wearing of masks could be made compulsory. WHO, the UN, BBC, all love that sort of thing.
Until we know the Covid-19 virus is airborne in all weather conditions and can survive far, far, longer than any other virus so far, then the wearing of much better masks cannot be really worthwhile, as Chris Smith and Simon Clarke say.
(Perhaps that’s why I haven’t heard either of them on R4 recently. They do not tick the BBC Big Brother approach or meet with his approval.)
@up2 plus Trump doesn’t wear a mask
So metrolibs want masks to be made compulsory
so they have another reason to shout “Orange man bad !”
LOL! 🙂
I too always wear a mask with rubber gloves when I go to a shop. There are confusing reports as to whether its advantageous or not. But I think they realise if they said wearing a mask was mandatory, then there would be pandemonium in getting them ordered, thus depriving health workers from getting them.
Brissles, if you know you have a particular vulnerability then like you, Fed and others, it is worth limiting risk as far as humanly possible and as you intelligently and responsibly choose. I wore gloves all through my supermarket shop today, but it was jolly cold outside and I was picking cold stuff as well.
I haven’t got the builders masks out yet. Am not sure I would bother so far but I can see that Big Brother approach may not be far off.
“Sixty thousand little Hitlers, all do their worst to squeeze us.”
I wear vinyl gloves even to pick up food from a friend, leaving them in the car for a week before reusing. I assume sunlight and time will sterilise. I then use a separate pair to unpack the shopping, I wash them as though they were my hands, to two choruses of Happy Birthday and repeat the washing of hands once the gloves are taken off. Gloves left in the sunlight to dry and sterilise. I still guess that if there was dye rather than a possible invisible virus on my groceries, some still might show up. I try to not use newly arrived food for a couple of days.
Deborah, each to their own, whatever makes you feel comfortable, but I would not go that far myself.
d78
Your link has a nice photograph of British people thanking the Taiwanese for supplying one million masks, free, to the UK.
Compare and contrast how the Commies behave.
My new Laptop will be made in the ROC.
Sod Lenovo.
We know the beeb has an Agenda, which is to front up the propaganda for social engineering. We all know what that social engineering has as its goal.
It follows that any item of news or comment from beeb has to be taken with a large salt mine.
“Man, 21, wrongly fined £60 under coronavirus laws, Met Police admits”
Looks like the woodentops are WRONGLY using the CoronaVirus Act on crimbos who carry drugs/knives
..the shout of “racism” is inevitable
“The case of a 15-year-old boy, who was also charged under the Coronavirus Act 2020, is being reviewed by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS)”
FFS newspaper ..he was carrying a knife
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-21-wrongly-fined-60-18087889
The first fine was also thrown out
A woman in Newcastle who looks like a fare-dodger
but BBC report
* 1 April 2020 : York woman fined for breaching coronavirus rules
Marie Dinou, 41, from York fined £811
* 03 April 2020 : Coronavirus: Woman ‘wrongly charged under new law’
a police and Crown Prosecution Service review said she was wrongly charged under the act. The court will be asked to set the conviction aside.
The review followed a report in The Times newspaper on Thursday which suggested the wrong law had been used to prosecute Ms Dinou.
FFS The first report needs an update note right in the title
It’s lax of the news editor to not put one in.
I have managed a BBC Radio 4 free morning so far, possibly for the first time since the Falklands War. It was that conflict that turned me into a news junkie.
However, last night, I caught the end of the R410pm news before Book at Bedtime and Midday and was informed by the BBC that residents in Care Homes are succumbing like Nine Pins to the Covid-19 Bowling Ball virus. The web-site runs with this news this morning.
As some of the homes were limiting visits even before the Prime Minister announced his Government restrictions three weeks ago that rather suggests that infections are making their way into these care homes in some other way. Either the deaths are being exaggerated. Or not. Possibly they are occurring by deliberate infection?
That last question needs to be asked.
Will the BBC ask it?
No, instead they will find a way to blame the Government.
I don’t know if this has been discussed before…but…
I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve read that Brexit must be postponed due to the complications caused by the pandemic, but I’m thinking that, possibly, it would make the rigmarole of leaving the EU easier during the current confusion.
I’m wondering what your thoughts are…
cb, I agree. If the PM found the EU unwilling to negotiate in May & June and insisting on an extension, then a quick declaration of No Deal might just coincide with the continuing lockdown around most of the northern hemisphere.
Switching to WTO trade rules and adjusting to them – should it lead to any shortages or problems – then nothing would really change here. How would it make headlines for the anti-Brexit media? I’m sure some of them would try to make a fuss but when the populace just shrug and keep going, for how long could they keep it up?
It’s the perfect time for a post EU free trade agreement. Economies predicted to be down 20-30% across the EU after the lockdown. Only the idiots in the EU would want to destroy themselves with additional WTO rules to hammer their economy some more.
The relentless death bean counting by the BBC roars on. Desperately trying to find corners where the Government are hiding dead folk.
The whole thing has echoes of the efforts by William Brooke Joyce or Lord Haw Haw who’s job during the war was to broadcast from Germany and try to break the resolve of the British people and turn them against their government by telling them how bad things were. He used the same tactics of quoting death figures and the losses of the Allied forces.
The aim was exactly the same, to try to wreck faith with the government’s handling of the war and bring about an acceptance of a “new order” in the UK.
He was executed when the war was won!
Just saying!
I must have missed it, so what’s the reason given, why these sick older people in the care homes, aren’t being taken to hospital ,where there is adrenaline, oxygen and ventilators etc, ?
em it’s obvious .. there is no point in taking a NEARLY DEAD person to hospital
for complicated treatment which will almost certainly not save their life.
.. and you run the risk of infecting the hospital.
What you can do it try to bring the best care ..and best end of life care TO THEM possible.
Totally agree.
I seem to recall there was a general acceptance some time back that tough decisions like this would be inevitable.
So it’s not even a surprise.
Notice how at the Daily Briefing the metrolib journos
complaining
“The government should apologise for not getting its act together on tech like PPE”
are not getting their own act together on tech like microphones
and sound like Norman Collier
Wanted to report how fake news could be made with a photo that doesn’t say anything out of the usual but can be used to do so.
It is perfectly normal for Israeli’s to queue just before the banks opening time but I saw a photographer take a photo of the queue at this time and I wondered why . He looked very pleased with himself after taking the photo.
The queue may have looked longer than it would usually look because of social distancing and everyone was wearing a mask which is now compulsory but I suspect this photo was not taken to show how Israelis are obeying the rules. Rather a journalist would be using it to show that Israel’s economic problems are bad as people are queuing to get their money out of a bank..
Like any other country there are Israeli’s who are out of work but the progress of Israel’s contribution to fighting the Corona Virus makes worthwhile reading on http://www.verygoodnewsisrael.blogspot.com
Another big fall in the confirmed cases in Kent. The numbers came out late last night – too late for me – so I expect a big jump today or tomorrow – if the normal pattern so far is followed.
If the normal pattern …
And if not …. 🙂
Meanwhile, Lady Brooke (aka Sarah ‘Miss Shouty’ Montague) is currently on TWATo postulating how many of the excess deaths NOT attributed to Covid 19 might, in fact, have been because of it.
No discussion yet as to whether the reported deaths attributed to Covid 19 were BECAUSE of it or WITH it, but that wouldn’t give enough weight to the stick with which they want to beat the Government.
Care Homes :surely a hundred times more thought should have been given to them than a Tescos supermarket.
.. In Tescos no customer is going to pick up a viral load
..and even if they did, they will still live.
Yet in a care home you have people who are vulnerable to small viral load, and are
– in CLOSE contact with carers
– INDOORS
Homes should have been comparmentalised
say split one wing off, with 3 frontline carers per shift
and those carers living on site , say in caravans on a 2 week-on, 2 week-off basis.
You can’t have a carer who is going home to house full of six people, you’d need to redeploy them to gardening/outdoor duties.
Common sense and logic, Stew. If only it was viral…
Of course people who have proof that they HAD the virus are the best people to work in such front line roles.
cos they are the least likely to carry infection or be vulnerable to it.
Or just move the sick to these half empty new nightingale hospitals, when they start showing symptoms.
Measles resurgence fear amid coronavirus
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52278925
There is a Have Your Say for this. Looks like most the BBC readers (BBC moderators?!?) are authoritarian judging by the top comments:
I don’t believe we should have mandatory vaccination, but it is time the un-vaccinated were banned from public gatherings such as schools and social venues.
and
The parents of any child catching measles because they weren’t vaccinated should be prosecuted for child neglect.
and
… Trouble is you are gambling with every one else’s health, you must self isolate for ever.
Do they comment on the formerly eradicated illnesses in the UK which are now increasing in high immigrant areas, or whether the new immigrants from Calais have been vaccinated?
Well funny you ask because the 10th lowest rated comment is:
The reason why TB has returned to the UK and why measles is increasing, should be obvious.
Start closing the borders. Compulsory health checks on all potential immigrants.
That comment is nearly buried
Number of positive ratings for comment 36
Number of negative ratings for comment 57
57 people oppose proper border control !
It seems similar to TB, once the received wisdom was that it was eradicated in UK etc ,
But now history appears to have been rewritten to say it never really went away.
Wow! For a moment there I thought Hannity was talking about the BBC!
(AROUND 4:05 onwards)
Easy to see why the bbc needed to retain those 450 essential ‘news’ staff.
***
BBC H&W
With the salons closed because of lockdown how are you coping with looking after your hair?
We have a hair expert joining us until 12:30 BST to answer your questions!
In our DIVERSE media land the C4 Steph Show already covered that
with Johnny Vegas cutting his own hair.
The other day I mentioned how the BBC words disagreements or different points of view between those on the left and those on the right.Just watched the BBC news and they proved my point again.
Mr Trump has been strongly criticized by the media they said.
We then had
President trump has launched a furious attack on the media.
The president turned on the media lashing out.
They then showed him having a discussion with a reporter from CBS calling them fake after which they said “After venting his anger”
From where I was sitting he didn’t ‘lash out’ he didn’t ‘attack’ anyone and he had a different point of view from somebody else and told them so and under the circumstances he was quite calm.
So there we have it again those on the left quietly tutting and criticizing in the corner whilst horrible man on the right lashes out and attacks people.
BBC you are a disgrace!
The POTUS called the media out and showed them up for their lies. I wish Boris would do the same with the BBC.
Quelle surprise.
BBC got any nutty academics lined up?
Today studio and QT max headroom fame beckons…
https://order-order.com/2020/04/14/top-scientist-attacking-government-passionate-corbynista/
Yesterday morning, Simon Jack (I think – could be wrong
– maybe Dominic O’Connell) made a big thing about the agreement reached between an Oil Cartel (illegal in most countries) and Russia and the United States to (illegally*) cut oil production. It was said the price of oil had immediately gone up 10%. By the time I looked it was down for Brent Crude. Today, it has gone down again. It is even worse for WestTexas Intermediate.
So that market fixing worked well, guys, didn’t it?
* If private business did anything like that in the developed world they would be closed down and prosecuted.
I wish I had the time (and inclination!) to put these population density numbers on a graph alongside chinese virus infections/deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Welsh_principal_areas_by_population
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_districts_by_population_density
I speculate that the result could be anticipated before even putting pencil to paper and would reaffirm that without multiculturalism the indigenous Brits would be far better off.
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If true then this is dynamite! –
Germany had been contracted to carry out UK testing –
These are the results of Didier Raoult’s most recent study – not on BBC website
The malaria drug appears to work –
Click to access Abstract_Raoult_EarlyTrtCovid19_09042020_vD1v.pdf
https://www dot mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Table_final_website_IHU_09_04_2020.pdf
Another study suggests that the mortality rate is much lower than previously thought
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.01.20050542v1
The latter study is covered here –
(0.1% mortality similar to Flu)
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/13/study-coronavirus-fatality-rate-lower-than-expected-close-to-flus-0-1/
Respiratory masks and their capabilities?
Found this informative site:
https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/category/coronavirus/
Seems N95 or N99 masks will keep out the chinese virus.
BBC’s Sopel along with the rest off the MSM have spent every day slagging Trump since he was elected, now they wonder why he gives them short shrift in the press conferences.
Treat someone like a dog and he will bite you mates!
When President Trump was elected Sopel joined Katty Kay on the BBC programme – 100 Days. After that time period they changed it to Beyond 100 Days, and have left it that way for nearly 4 years. It seems to have become an obsession.
Pat -when President Trump wins the election in November it will be a ‘ fix’ . The democrats will run the Russian / Cambridge analytics stuff again .
It will be difficult for democrats / MSM to deal with POTUS desire for revenge against the Chinese for attempting to destroy our way of life . He has long been hostile to Chinese behaviour and the American people will be screaming for’ pay back ‘ – and they know he will deliver .
Guido, five stars today and all last week.
Rubbing the Hard Left noses in it.
Well worth a visit.
… it may seem incredible today, but on January 25 this year, when Covid-19 was spreading around the world, the NHS chief was announcing plans to ‘step up action to tackle the climate health emergency’.
The are preparing for a vamped up return to the climate emergency once the Chinese Virus is defeated. Lockdown, stay at home to save the planet.
Is this proof of BBC moderators manipulating top comments on Have Your Say?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52278825
The highest rated comment is not the comment with the most up votes.
Is there anybody out there that believes anything the government comes out with.
We’ve been lied to so much that I take everything the government says with a pinch of salt.
It’s not just this virus, it’s brexit, climate change, nhs (…days/hours to save the nhs), statistics like immigration/ repatriation/ crime/ everything.
That’s why we need an honest unbiased media.
I used to trust the bbc when I was young but as I grow older their bias and manipulation is plain to see. Was it like that in the 90’s…the 60’s…was it ever neutral and honest?
I make my own mind up about most news now.
FWIW I’ve never been worried or even thought about about dying from the flu, it’s never crossed my mind, so if this virus kills the same number this year as the flu (average year 17,000) why should I start worrying. I comply with the rules and restrictions but I can’t understand things like building huge hospital sheds, running out of body bags or the mass hysteria and buying up all the toilet rolls.
I also reckon this virus came from one of the virus labs in Wuhan, the city where SARS and MERS originated. Not a market where they eat bats and mandolins.
I’m so pleased we have Trump. He may occasionally get something wrong but I believe him far more than any of our leaders.
Oh for a neutral msm, a neutral bbc.
Can’t see it happening though.
I’m guessing the government non briefings will end when Parliament comes back in some form . It will be a relief not to listen to a load of waffle by government ministers and increasingly dodgy looking health mafia .
Each day they chuck us 4 graphs of dubious value with more waffle interpretation .. The ‘green shoots ‘ term was used once and then buried – like the truth of what is going on as we are mugged into compliance with lock down
Not BBC – but if you’ve a sick sense of humour – have a read of the tweets by Andrew Neill concerning the pensioner given a flight in a jet fighter as a retirement present in France – it’s almost beyond belief – like BBC news ( or government briefings )
And from Andrew Neill on Twitter again – re the government briefings —an observation – that the MSM have not recognised that normal politics has been suspended and that we do not want
‘ gotcha’ or ‘ apology’ or ‘ Brexit ‘ questions any more .
We want facts and reassurance .and serious questions with serious answers . Which we ain’t getting .
I’m a moderator on this site and I’ve never felt more like using extreme language on this than I do now .
Maybe the BBC do some development of the briefing when it finishes but like many I turn the BBC off at that moment
Time for the midweek thread .
Spoke to a contact today who works in A and E.
Do you have enough PPE, we asked.
‘Yes, normally, he replied. The problem is that the gear keeps getting nicked !!!!!!’.
Even the narrative-obsessed BBC would be hard-pushed to blame the government for that one.
Not that they would want to raise such an issue. Definitely does not fit the agenda.
Sluff – as I wrote here recently I think that was what the health sec was alluding to when he suggested PPE be used carefully – he can’t accuse the saints in the NHS of pilfering the stuff .
Meanwhile on BBC London, tonight’s s***- stirring is focused on people stuck overseas.
A black lady is stuck after attending a family wedding in the Gambia. And will have to stay another month.
Meanwhile in Argentina a couple are stranded 450 miles from an airport and are viciously attacking the UK government. The idea that they might have some responsibility themselves clearly does not occur in today’s snowflake world.
So this is the ‘person’ –
“Running the BBC News’ operation across the Americas. Previously BBC’s Bureau Chief in Middle East & Asia. Author of ‘The New Middle East’. My personal account
This is the ‘person’s ‘pinned’ tweet lol
The BBC getting it totally wrong again…failed on Brexit, failed on Trump, failed on 2019 election [and 2017, 2015, 2010], and is failing dismally on coronavirus as it tries relentlessly to undermine the government whilst paradoxically still pushing the lockdown narrative.
Confidence in Government has risen 40% whilst confidence in the Media has fallen 21%…and no wonder.
Take for example this morning’s effort on Today by the BBC to exploit what Eamon Holmes said about 5G and to spin it so that the BBC is presented as the only provider of news you can trust. Ironically the whole piece demonstrated the exact opposite…why no-one in their right mind should believe a word the BBC says.
Who did they bring on to talk Holmes and 5G? The BBC’s very own Rory Cellan-Jones, their Technology correspondent. Unfortunately he wasn’t asked, and wasn’t inclined, to actually provide any technical background to this story and instead resorted to mere insults and dismissive put-downs. Holmes himself wasn’t allowed on to defend himself and no-one with anything critical to say about 5G was given a chance to say anything…but wait….we did have an ex-BBC boss whose name totally escapes me right now…he was equally scathing and derisive and somewhat short on facts and actual information on the merits or otherwise of 5G.
Holmes said…
‘What I don’t accept is mainstream media immediately slapping that down as not true when they don’t know it’s not true.
“No-one should attack or damage or do anything like that, but it’s very easy to say it is not true because it suits the state narrative. That’s all I would say, as someone with an inquiring mind.”‘
The BBC has no idea if 5G is harmful in anyway whatsoever…the EU hasn’t produced any studies, hundreds of scientists have written to the EU to demand more research on 5G, scepticism is rife in many respected scientific journals and guidelines have been produced for the use of 5G telling us…if we keep to the guidelines we should be OK…
‘‘The ICNIRP first published its international guidelines for protection against harmful effects of radiofrequency fields in 1998. The main changes in the 2020 guidelines that are relevant to 5G exposures are for frequencies above 6 GHz. These include: the addition of a restriction for exposure to the whole body; the addition of a restriction for brief (less than 6‐minute) exposures to small regions of the body; and the reduction of the maximum exposure permitted over a small region of the body. ‘
All of which means there is some danger with 5G.
The BBC spent nearly 20 years telling us mobile phones would fry our brains and give us cancer…curiously Ofcom hasn’t been invited to investigate the BBC for spreading fake news and fear.
And Ofcom will investigate Holmes? The same Ofcom that told broadcasters not to criticise 5G, the same Ofcom that is the body charged with promoting and enabling 5G’s roll-out across Britain?
As the UK’s communications regulator, we have a role to play alongside Government and industry in enabling the development and rollout of 5G, and unlocking its benefits.’
Clearly 5G doesn’t transmit the virus as some claim…but what if it did harm the immune system in some way…you can’t dismiss that completely out of hand and say anyone who dares to mention it is a madman as the BBC tells us Holmes is.
Why are so many respectible and credible scientists concerned about the possible damage 5G might do? Why is the BBC so ready to attack and demonise anyone who dares to raise the issue?
The BBC reveals itself yet again not to be a news organisation but a mouthpiece for certain interests and worldviews, ready to shut down, censor and censure, ready to vilify anyone who upsets that worldview.
France apparently include nursing home death figures in their daily numbers, we don’t. Therefore France shouldn’t be on the graph, it’s apples and pears, says Tom Newton Dunn.
Dear media, will you please take your own advice and stop comparing the UK and German numbers, our system and facilities for testing are different; it’s apples and pears.
Have you noticed over time, how many journalists at the briefing open a question with “will you level with the people about …”. What might they be implying?
Rishi invites the guy from Politico to talk; I said to my wife “Brexit”. On cue, he wants us to avoid a no-deal.
.. Ey up there is already a NEW THREAD