Start the Week Thread 11 May 2020

Let’s play an online biased Far Left BBC game .

I’ll start . If a lefty is on the BBC they won’t be introduced . They are ‘ accepted ‘ . If some one of the Right is ( rarely ) put on the airwaves they are introduced as being ‘ from a right wing think tank ‘ or similar .
There should be a prize for spotting this if you still take the BBC – but this is a non profit site – so it’s just for fun …

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432 Responses to Start the Week Thread 11 May 2020

  1. NorthwestForChange says:

    Unless I’m being thick I found the PM message clear last night and I’m looking forward to hearing what he will be presenting to Parliament today.

    Of course the BBC this morning have been issuing their usual verbal diarrhea and insulting the English by presenting a Scot commenting on the message, becauy it is different to theirs. Oh and let’s bring in the TUC, the teaching unions and Unite who don’t like the prospect of the country returning to some form of new normal so that we can protect lives through the NHS by generating wealth and paying taxes.

    Isn’t it about time we started a hard campaign to remove the Royal Charter from this set of overpaid dunderheads?


  2. Venutius says:

    I listened and looked very carefully at the BJ broadcast. Looking the BBC headlines today, they clearly listened to a different one!

    Anomaly 1 – The Scottish, Welsh and NI administration advice is lockdown. The English have no representation yet are asked by a UK parliament (made up of all 4 nations) to work, pay tax to effectively keep our Celtic cousins safe. It’s not sustainable. English people die while Scottish people say at home? Really?

    Anomaly 2 – Closing our borders (maybe?) does not apply now to France of Ireland. Looking at the MSM pushback against this ‘policy kite’ it’s clear they never shut because of economics, pure and simple. It’s complete lack of leadership from day 1. They should be have been shut since February.

    Anomaly 3 – If you can’t work from home go to work. This is red meat to Labour. This will be now spun as socioeconomic apartheid. Poor manual workers forced to work at the expense of rich middle class safe on laptops in living rooms.

    Boris, last night, actually re-announced the exact policy that existed before 23rd March. Socially distance, work where you can, wash your hands etc. Remember, this led to media panic with pictures of ‘Covidiots’ (as they call them) which pressured the government to impose their so called ‘lockdown’.

    My feeling is they are trying to control the uncontrollable. It’s a battle that was lost before 23rd March. The big mistakes were all made before this.

    Better now to be honest, the horse has bolted. It’s herd immunity and we now operate like Sweden. Please take personal responsibility within a national safety/risk framework.

    You’re all adults. Get on with your lives, good luck.


    • Sluff says:

      My god ! Personal responsibility ?????????
      The BBC will never allow it.

      We need to be hand held and told what to do at all times.
      They have a whole line of people waiting to be interviewed because they ‘are awaiting guidance’ rather than using their own intelligence and devising sensible, practical measures for their own particular situations.

      Meanwhile …..many ordinary people and businesses who rely on their own efforts to make a living rather than rely on the taxpayer are working out sensible measures. Screens. Tape on the floor 2m apart. Use every other desk. Staggered working at home/ in the office. Staggered start and finish times. Remote meetings. New rules for the canteen. One-way systems. Shops with queues 2 m apart and outside.

      The public sector unions and the BBC won’t buy it of course, especially having to use CARS, the ultimate satan, to get to work. But the rest of us know we can move forward.

      I am reminded of the last line of the film ‘The Wild Bunch’.

      ‘It ain’t like it used to be. But it’ll do ‘.


  3. JamesArthur says:

    “Please take personal responsibility within a national safety/risk framework.”
    Is what I shouted at BBC (without the please and an expletive , sorry) this morning when they had the dumber and dumber team with bloody questions from ‘public’

    Think you are right about unions – Len McClusky already started with the ‘manual workers ‘ etc on R4..given full reign to say what he liked without a single BBC, Yes but….


    • G says:

      Still, ‘Red’s under the bed’. They’ll never go away.


      • Ian Rushlow says:

        Red’s under the bed? They long since emerged and have been roaming the house for years, rearranging the furniture, eating all the food, crapping on the floor, inviting their mates to come and doss in the house etc.


  4. richard D says:

    Isn’t it amazing – until 24 hours or so ago, Keir Starmer and Nicola Sturgeon were adamant that they wanted the public to be treated as adults in this situation……until the Government tries to treat them as adults and shift the enphasis from the starkly simple message about staying at home (absolutely necessary as the scale of the pandemic became clear), to a slightly more nuanced message about taking care, paying attention and being aware of what is going on, whilst still obeying the simple rules like washing hands, maintaining social distancing, etc. – whereupon Starmer, Sturgeon and their stooges decide that they’d really like the public to be treated like the children/morons they believe them to be after all.


  5. StewGreen says:

    9:30am switched off Julia HB on Talk Radio cos she was just about to have an Obama lover on and go into a hate-a-thon aginst trump
    but on LBC it was The Keir Starmer show
    and Nick Ferrrari was asking hit to say something hatey about Trump.


    • Roland Deschain says:

      Was it to discuss St Obama’s fingerprints being all over the fake FBI investigation into Trump and Russia? I’m willing to bet it was not, other than to make everyone look elsewhere.


  6. Beltane says:

    Anyone unwise enough to want a break from Minchin and try Piers Morgan would have probably ordered their new TV by now.
    Mine survived. Luckily the half-brick was deflected by a huge stack of DVDs we’ve watched for the past few weeks.


  7. richard D says:

    ….and on this morning’s Today programme, the BBC announces a panel of people to discuss Boris’s message last night, by clarifying that the panel is randomly selected, in no way representative of anything – and especially not the spectrum of political persuasion – so, of course, by pure chance, you got the views of 5 Conservatives….

    ….yeah, right……. two mentioned as overtly Labour supporters, and three others of no admitted political affiliation – including an electrician, a student and a n other.

    Guess whether the BBC got the answers you would expect it wanted !


    • Fedup2 says:

      Richard – playing into my preamble ….


    • Roland Deschain says:

      What’s the betting they found the message confusing? Those who found it confusing also tend to believe Donald Trump told everyone to inject Dettol. Which would explain much.


  8. StewGreen says:

    libmob narratives
    yesterday they were running with
    – “We are adults, this government treats us like children”

    Now it’s
    – “Oh we don’t know what to do, Boris needs to explain every little thing clearly to us

    FFS .. The point is it’s up to each business to do its own safety planning.. not for gov to micromanage.

    As ever the middle of the night programming was the MOST disinformative
    with the 5 Live jockey telling us “It’s alright tonight I drove into central London to do this job .. but say if I was working in the day time, driving would be safer than public transport
    but I’d have to pay for parking and the congestion charge
    so it wouldnt be worth coming to work.
    FFS He’s on the radio advising us
    … and he doesn’t know that TfL Congestion Charge, ULEZ and Low Emission Zone have been suspended.


    • StewGreen says:

      There is another big narrative they are running with
      and that the old “This government is a total disaster” narrative

      On the middle of the night show the BBC correspondent said
      “Even the government’s friends wouldn’t say anything other that that this past week has been a disaster”
      What the heck are you talking about ?
      Boris has got back to health, just had a healthy baby
      the hospitals are no overwhelmed
      we are in the downward phase of wave1
      .. the only thing is the new case count is not falling fast enough
      who the hck are these 5,000 people every day that get it ?

      Oh the media do keep complaining the tests are not properly over 100K per day
      so yes there i s a problem with the Northern Ireland lab and tests were being flown to the US.


    • richard D says:

      At the start of the lockdown process, it took days, if not just hours, for some of the most vulnerable businesses to a virus (i.e. food processing and production) to plan, prepare, and implement safety strategies, including social distancing, etc. No problems (at least no insurmountable ones).

      There have now been some 6 or 7 weeks since that time for other business sector managers to get their heads together to work out how their particular business can be conducted safely in the current circumstances (surely no-one in their right mind expected this situation to be over in just a few weeks, so that, magically, life could somehow resume as normal, at a stroke).

      Yet we now have all sorts of hand-wringing, bleating, demands for all sorts of union/H&S/management panels to ‘begin’ to look at what they might do to get their businesses re-launched, etc. But only after they have had explicit instructions from Boris Johnson personally, it would appear, on how to make their specific businesses ‘fit for purpose’ again.

      It’s like the NHS all over again – highly paid Execs and managers (especially sourcing and supply managers) demanding that someone else does their job for them when the heat is on…..and then to suddenly discover that they have an over-abundance of resources (beds, non-COVID staff), thay have delayed millions of potentially important treatments – and during this whole period where they have abdicated all responsibility to politicians and civil servants, they don’t have a plan how to re-start the processes, given the recovery from COVID – far less having a plan to cope with a potential second wave of the virus – for which they will once again wash their hands (figuratively) of any and all responsibility for solving any issues or problems.

      FFS….. just, FFS !


  9. Beltane says:

    How strange that after Oliver Dowden advised us to buy newspapers the media seem united in turning the same public against them.
    When even the Telegraph adds its spite and deliberate obtuseness to the argument, there has to be some sort of lemming effect infusing the media.
    Still, as long as the cliff is high enough, please do us all a favour.


    • Scroblene says:

      We were actually considering getting an online sub with the Daily Telegraph, but they’re reverting to red-top fanatics now, so won’t bother!

      As the BBC is just so dire these days, with appallingly bad presenters, and rubbish questioning, (in addition to the usual dross they normally spew out), I come here all the time to get the real feelings about the state of the nation, and always feel better off for that!

      We did actually watch Boris last evening, but immediately switched off when Huw Edwards, (£345,000 p.a.) with a Surkeers Tomorite haircut, after only a few seconds, said something inane like ‘sources say that there’s a prob…..*click*

      Decent men like Bob Dougal, Kenneth Kendall and Richard Baker must be spinning like crazy in their boxes…


  10. Doobster78 says:

    BBC having “lots” of messages in from people who are confused about what they can and cannot do. You know the sort, the ones who find it unfathomable that they could use their own common sense.

    A few questions asking about visiting relatives in Scotland if you travel from England. Simple. You CANNOT. Its not hard or difficult to understand but for some reason the BBC are also seemingly struggling with it.

    Victoria Derbyshire had a listener querying if they could see their family in Wales even though they are in England. Again, the answer is a simple NO. However, for some reason Victoria decided to read out a reply to that question which went along the lines of ..

    “You can if the traffic light is on red, it Tuesday between 2pm and 3pm, its a full moon, you drive a red car and you have just eaten” etc etc

    Funny that she picks that ONE reply out of probably hundreds of tweets. There were probably replies stating clearly No but she CHOSE to air that one. The pi** take one.

    Says it all. Anti government bias. BBC clear message to all staff, to continue the agenda that its all confusing and all Boris’s fault for all the confusing messages.

    Nothing at all to do with the media. Nope. Nothing.


    • JimS says:

      A little unfair as because of Tony Blair we now have super-parish councils in Scotland and Wales that need to keep themselves in the news.

      Driving to Scotland or Wales might be a shorter distance than driving to the nearest English supermarket but could result in being stopped by the border cops.

      Funny isn’t it, these new Gauleiters were the ones wanting ‘more EU’ and ‘free-movement’ (as long as you aren’t English Tories) a few months ago!


    • StewGreen says:

      My mother says the media are just desperate to fill space
      that’s why they air so much crap from their mates
      rather than work to find truth.
      Sounds about right;
      metroliberal journos universally sneer at the Daily Mail
      yet their own behaviour is the same.


      • Scroblene says:

        The Daily Mail is the only paper doing real journalistic research on the scandal about Prince Andrew. They really do seem to know what they’re doing, which is the opposite of the BBC, and plonker-posh rags like The ‘past’ Times, The indscribablyboring and of course the failed Groaniad.

        The DT will be on the last list soon, if it carries on copying the others lower down the scale.


    • Guest Who says:

      The VD audience of two dozen seems to have a direct line to her, and her ‘researchers’ to them on call.

      I doubt they could muster a brain cell between them, and including her, one.


  11. Doobster78 says:



    • Fedup2 says:

      Looks like we are about to go ‘ full Darwin ‘ – those who use their judgement and are careful stay healthy – those who have defective judgement stand a chance of getting the virus –
      But are far more likely to survive than die – as long as they are under 60 – that is .

      – taking into account the current version ( s) of the virus we have – and it will be time for the MSM to get fixated on ventilators again … because if you notice there hasn’t been any interest in this for a long time . Did dyson ever make any ?


      • Fedup2 says:

        Hey there’s actually one of those non virus stories –
        An Iranian ‘ friendly fire ‘ incident – let’s get clapping ….
        …. a conspiracy theorists ‘ dream …


      • richard D says:

        I do like the ‘full Darwin’ phrase – says it all, really.


        • Scroblene says:

          Same here, Richard!

          And I thought Dysons were made to suck, not to blow…?

          (The is some sort of ring thing, but goodness knows what that does…)


  12. Doobster78 says:

    Mrs Doobster78 got ITV on now. This Morning.

    Opening words from Phillip Schofield …

    ” Well Good Morning, and we start today in genuine confusion after last nights message”

    “We are being asked to choose between meeting our mother or father”

    Now, he wants someone to come on the show to explain EXACTLY what we can and cannot do . He is not happy.


    Update, i have now shut the kitchen door and left her to it. I cant take anymore of these utter thick libtards.


  13. Doobster78 says:


    • The Mouse says:

      I need to know from Boris if I should pack cheese and onion sandwiches or tuna.
      On a slightly more serious note didn’t anyone think that there would be a time to return back to work and there would be a risk (and therefore they should stay alert to the risk and use best practice to reduce the risk as far as is practically possible to make the risk acceptable). We once won a war.


    • StewGreen says:

      Never heard of the guy but he seems to call out libmob
      This morning he’s against Emma Kennedy, and Adam Boulton
      who both tweeted “I don’t know what to do after Boris’s speech”

      People go on about Russian Twitterbot army

      But it is clear from Twitter that UK libmob act entirely like a human zombie Twitterbot army
      .. full of hate.

      In times of crisis I thought we were supposed to pull together
      ..not keep fighting the last election.


      • Scroblene says:

        I think we’re fighting the 1918 pandemic again, Stew, after all, back then, they all had sufficient PPE, ventilators a-plenty, regular television broadcasts every half-hour, and of course thousands of NHS under-managers, who ‘understood’ how to do things…

        And of course, there was no query from Joe Public on what to do, they just did it.


  14. The Mouse says:

    Dear Doobster,

    Sometimes I find myself wishing that these metro libtards had the government they deserve – e.g. a Venezuelan left of left and see how long it would take for them to see what a difference it would make ……….. .
    Guy ranting on radio about the stupidity of easing back to work was asked by Nick Ferrari ‘well who will pay for the NHS – 3 billion a week if we don’t get back’ – the guy answered ‘I don’t know’ – says it all.


  15. BRISSLES says:

    The last time I watched the ‘sofa’ on morning tele was when Sian Williams was a host 20 years ago, and watched before I went to work. Then gave up over 10 years ago as they were clearly aimed at a Blue Peter audience who have the attention span of a gnat. And as for the hosts and their pious faces when faced with tragedy and their reporting on a scooter riding duck is not for me.


    • Scroblene says:

      Sian Williams was lovely on the show then, and I got to like Natasha Kaplinsky as well, but it all went downhill after they left..:0(


  16. Thatcherrevolutionary says:

    Sturgeon claiming she doesn’t understand ‘stay alert’

    I find this hard to believe after working with Salmond.


  17. JamesArthur says:

    OMG…the MSM have lost it completely. Has the Lockdown finally fried their brain cell (yes singular).

    Wimmins hour – had a good sensible senior nursing woman (can’t recall name) who wasn’t playing their game – and said she clearly understood Boris’s message despite the ‘we are confused’ question then and batted back ‘are your staff safe’ PPE questions
    and then..
    batted back the ‘ were you involved in The Govt’s statement last night with ‘ I didn’t expect to be involved. There are other people for that’
    Then Wimmin’s hour presenter (Ms Garvey? ) put a question that had me exclaming profanities..
    “so are you saying that you, a senior expert woman were not involved in the Govt’s decision – is this something we should be worried about” FFS

    I didn’t hear her answer as I was still shouting profanities at the question
    BBC you really are scrapping the barrel today


  18. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    Listening to bbc newcastle this morning it seems many (highly qualified) people don’t understand what stay alert means.

    IMHO (take that Fed) I think the majority of those being so negative about everything the way this government is handling this covid situation will be remainers. Always negative.
    I think the leavers will have a far more positive outlook and can understand what stay alert means. Use common sense.

    What do the ‘remainers’ want?
    Everything to stay as it is until there is no more covid cases for a few years just in case somebody might be at risk (and carry on being paid to stay at home)

    The bbc (and the rest to be fair) just couldn’t wait to rubbish everything Boris said, they were determined to find fault no matter what.

    By the way, today is ‘Burn a tyre for Greta day’ so get yourselves out and fire up an old car tyre.


    • Ian Rushlow says:

      Is it possible to combine ‘Burn a tyre for Greta day’ with ‘Winnie Mandela Day’, to make it, er, more inclusive or something?


  19. davylars says:

    VD this morning having a nice cosy chat with Len McCluskey.

    ‘The public don’t need guidance, they need instructions.”
    (Re. Ven & Sluff comments further up)

    Then between them, trying to organise civil disobedience. ‘The union members won’t have this”
    Which VD enthusiastically agrees with….


  20. StewGreen says:

    Peter Hitchens, the anti-lockdown man is coming up on TalkRadio


  21. StewGreen says:

    11am BBC local news Here’s a clip of Keir Starmer speaking on LBC this morning.
    “No one knows what to do
    .. we need more guidance”


    • Doobster78 says:

      Seems like Sir Kier and the rest of the MSM didn’t hear what I heard.

      FURTHER UPDATE at 2pm IN THE COMMONS !!!!!!!

      50 page guidance due. Just fecking wait for it …..THEN ask any questions. Hour after hour of this nonsense from the BBC etc just to fill time and follow their agendas.


    • StewGreen says:

      What’s with this media fantasyland vs the real world
      “Go back to work if you can, you can exercise 3 times a day”

      ..what just like most of my rural region has been doing already
      Of course people have been walking their dog twice a day
      The only things that are shut are the pubs, schools and dentists.
      Mine work, Farm and food chain work, packing sheds etc., small building sites continue running

      And from what we see of London , loads of people don’t go by draconian police rules, which say don’t eat your sandwiches in the park 20 ft away from the next people.
      Never mind the special groups that consider rules don’t apply to them.


  22. Oldspeaker says:

    Patrick M.Wood as an alternative to msm is interesting, he suggests we are witnessing an attempted ideological coup (spellcheck) with the very real covid 19 acting as a screen. The partisan split in handling the crisis could be more than the usual advantage seeking.


  23. AsISeeIt says:

    As the French would say with a shrug… Hein?

    “Coronavirus: French arrivals exempt from UK quarantine plans”

    “In a joint statement, the UK and French governments said… “This co-operation is particularly necessary for the management of our common border.”

    Do they mean the Channel Tunnel?


    • Van Helsing says:


      That beggars belief. Or, rather, it would if we weren’t led by idiots deemed too stupid for the villages from which they hail.

      That said, I have no doubt that the opposition parties are quite capable of coming up with even more idiotic notions.


    • JimS says:

      We have signs on both sides of the chunnel reminding drivers which side of the road they should be on.

      I expect there will be new ones telling arrivals in France to squeeze up and in the UK to spread out.

      I’m still waiting for ‘our finest’ to explain why we need an extra metre here, (obviously Boris’ fault!).


  24. AsISeeIt says:

    For those who advocate for the import of migrant workers a key argument is that they pay taxes and there’s a supposed increase in GDP as migrant workers spend cash in our ecomony.

    One suspects however that in the medium term their cost in terms of increased public spending outweighs their tax contributions.

    And does their spending their wages here benefit our economy as much as is claimed, or does much of that benefit disappear overseas?

    ‘Coronavirus: Migrants struggle to send money home’

    ‘In the UK, Chandra Ceeka is having his own problems getting money to his family. An IT consultant from Hyderabad in southern India’s Telangana state, Chandra has been living in Britain for 18 years and regularly sends money back to India.’

    But this just anecdotal. Is this habit widespread?

    “Although there are digital remittance services available, he says without the relationship he and others in his community have with their local High Street transfer shops, he doesn’t get the deals he used to.”

    Yep, sounds pretty widespread.

    Migrant worker advocates, please redo your cost benefit sums.


    • Charlie Farley says:

      Migrant workers paying income tax ? ….
      Hand car wash ” employees ” very unlikely tax payers as well , walked passed one yesterday that’s obviously closed at the moment and there’s a family living in the old garage premises…..couldn’t recognize the language so probably from Leicester !

      Unable to listen or watch BBC at the moment its appalling , use this site and select others for any news info …no TVL for sometime as well its so much better


    • Up2snuff says:

      AISI, the game on that was given away quite firmly during the Blair administration. The BBC thought it was a good idea to invite onto the Any Questions Panel a gent from the Indian sub-continent who had been living in the UK for a long time, possibly since being brought here as a child.

      It wasn’t a good idea if listeners paid attention to what this gentleman said in answer to a question at one point during the 45 minute programme. He let slip that annual remittances back to the Indian sub-continent from the UK were a total of about £6bn. Think his company was involved in the money transfers business. This was around 1999/2000 so you could safely assume that’s £8 – £9bn today.


    • JimS says:

      “Although there are digital remittance services available, he says without the relationship he and others in his community have with their local High Street transfer shops, he doesn’t get the deals he used to.”

      Isn’t there the tiniest suggestion that they might ‘wash’ some of his cash too? If one was a ‘cash-in-hand’ trader and some of that cash ‘off the books’ left the UK via one of those helpful shops rather than via a High Street bank account HMRC wouldn’t get a look in. Indeed if enough went that way the DWP might give him a top-up!


  25. StewGreen says:

    Talk Radio
    anecdotal : caller said in her hospital they’ve started swabbing new in-patients and quite a lot of the females seems to be asymptomatic carriers.


  26. Fedup2 says:

    There’s no easy way of reporting this -Montgomery ‘Monty ‘Don’s dog has died – Lammy Starmer and the rest are blaming Boris


  27. Mustapha Sheikup al-Beebi says:

    Someone called Andy Burnham is going to be on R4’s TWATO with la Montague.

    Remind me: isn’t he a member of a Right-wing think tank, or something … ?

    STOP PRESS – Good short piece by Guto Harry, full of common sense, but now Burnham is on … yawn.


    • Up2snuff says:

      Mus, Burnham is Labour Mayor of Manchester, I think.

      Right Wing?

      Certainly a bit of a control freak as Mayor.

      I missed the start of TWatO and I found my enthusiasm for switching on 12/13 minutes in to the prog had dwindled to close to zero. Didn’t bother. Did I miss owt?


      • Scroblene says:

        Ask Burnham about South Staffs.

        That usually shuts him up.


      • Mustapha Sheikup al-Beebi says:

        It was a rhetorical question: I’m sick of hearing from Burnham, who seems to be on speed dial with TrotBC.


        • Up2snuff says:

          Mus, problem for Beeb is that the alternative to Burnham is Andy Street, Mayor of Birmingham (actually the West Midlands) and he is a Conservative. Think the only other Mayor is someone from Middlesborough way; can’t remember their political stance.


  28. upandatem says:

    Brexit, the last General Election and now the Covid 19 pandemic have produced endless negativity from the legions of sour-faced, mean-spirited BBC automatons. It starts at breakfast with the joyless Minchen, peering over her glasses in a vain attempt to give herself an air of intellectual gravitas. It is followed by the inept Derbyshire, whose journalistic expertise seems to amount to nothing more than looking at her phone and reading out endless tweets from viewers. The day continues with a selection of overpaid dimwits, including Bruce, Raworth and Myrie, toeing the party line and culminates with the cryogenically preserved Maitless lecturing us, and debunking any misconceptions we might have, about Boris and the Conservative Party. Their task is simply to demean and undermine the efforts of the government. Snarling and spitting out their vitriolic bile from a well-rehearsed BBC script. As with Brexit, and the oft repeated mantras of ‘car crash’ and ‘cliff edge’, the BBC have chosen to start every news item with ‘confusion’ and ‘lack of clarity’ to describe all the government’s attempts to defeat the pandemic. Add to this the suggestion that there has been ‘criticism of the government’, from some unspecified source, and you have the template for all BBC news programmes. When we have needed a reliable source of news and information, at this challenging time, the BBC, and most other media outlets, have been woeful.


    • Mustapha Sheikup al-Beebi says:

      This had me laughing out loud, UpandAtEm, you cheered me up!

      Dr Goebbels is alive and well and living in W1A.


    • Scroblene says:

      Excellent summing-up, Upandatem!

      The news here is much better presented!


  29. Cagna Guardia says:

    My first post is composed of two questions.
    1. I saw a clip of the Marrvel show with Prof. Spiegelhalter. Did Marr ask him for evidence of his assertion that deaths with Covid 19 are “much higher” than 35,000 (and where did that number come from)?
    2. Have I heard correctly that the NHS may be absolved of liability in Covid 19 related deaths? If so is that perhaps a powerful incentive?
    I’ve followed this great site now for longer than my mate, Cane, and as someone who briefly ran a London isolation hospital (when they existed) and worked in medical stats, I’m interested. Twinning the BBC and the NHS as the major destroyers of Briton’s independence sounds about right.


  30. Bulldog says:

    As we speak the TV studios and radio stations are readying panels consisting of a “representative cross-section” of individuals to provide their unbiased comments on the 50 page instruction manual when it is released at 2.00 p.m.

    It is recommended that anyone of a nervous disposition only tunes into these discussions in short bursts to avoid an unhealthy rise in their blood pressure – no prizes for correctly predicting what we are going to hear.


  31. StewGreen says:

    EU law is the prime one
    This is new info
    source :

    If anyone ever asks you to explain why you voted to leave the EU, refer them to this.
    For me, the words
    “EU law has primacy over national law and rulings of the ECJ are binding on all national courts”
    are nothing short of chilling. Exactly why I voted to leave.”


    • Fedup2 says:

      Interesting if the Germans didn’t fix the judgement of the ECJ – perhaps this case will show anyone who doesn’t know – that the Reich runs the EU …..
      The real task is to be out of the EU ECJ ( European Court of injustice ) jurisdiction starts the end of the year or earlier if the EU doesn’t engage in real trade negotiations and spends its time moaning .
      To me – hearing Barnier and the Irish et al whinging is a sign that we are being proper negotiators and not the door mat that Mrs May and all the remainers would have us .

      It will be good for us for the EU to be under financial stress – and get back to the honest self interests of nation states as opposed to the fiction of a unified EU


  32. G says:

    The communists in this country including the other regions and the BBC, are having an absolute field day over Johnsons announcement yesterday. I’m afraid that he has made a hash of it, not so much the message given – anyone with the slightest amount of intelligence would have understood – but in not reckoning on the plate of raw food they were giving to the Fifth Columnists anxious to bring the Government down. Or at least to claim they (and he, Johnson) are incompetent. Well done Boris, about time you woke up and dealt with your enemies just like the POTUS is doing. The main ringleader is obvious. Its our own ‘Most Trusted Broadcaster’. If you, Boris, shut the mammoth down, you would immediately have lifted the unnecessary weight off your shoulders which you are carrying round 24/7. Do it and do all of us a big favour. P.s. don’t forget the part-refunds due to the licensees. If Lord Haw-Haw and all the rest down have to dig into their pockets to make the refunds, all well and good.


  33. Dave S says:

    ” Blow up the TV
    Throw away the papers
    Go to the country
    Build yourself a house
    Have a lot of children ”
    John Prine. Died this year
    Spanish Pipedream
    Forget the BBC , Sky and the rest .


  34. Guest Who says:

    Lew is smit… even more smitten.


    • theleftwilleatitself says:

      Not really a ‘coup’ for Starmer is it Lewis considering al beeb probably rang him up to invite him on and then allowed him to cherry pick his time slot ????
      Tossers the lot ????


  35. Up2snuff says:

    ‘There is no advertising on the BBC’ is said to be a much touted advantage of being forced to pay the Telly Tax every year


    See photograph of an advertiser under the heading ‘Tosser’ part way down page.


  36. Darcy3 says:

    My advice to Boris and the Govt:

    Next time you produce advice for the public. please also produce a “Janet and John” version with no big words etc for the bbc and other socialists who have trouble understanding

    The same for Govt briefings where their questions show they have not listened or do not understand

    “Janet meets John, 2 metres apart, good Janet, good John” etc


  37. Oldspeaker says:

    First saw this on the forum highlighted by Kaiser I think.

    Can’t find much about the suspected October road closures in Wuhan apart from the above. Would have thought bbc newsround fact check would have been all over this and closed it down by now. Any further info anyone?


  38. StewGreen says:

    R4 Drama starts
    and the mother says “praise be to Allah”

    “Teenager Bilal discovers a secret that threatens his entire extended family.
    What should he do?
    Which of his three married brothers has fathered a child with a skinny white woman?
    And why does she keep following him with the kid in the buggy?
    Bilal is only 15, the youngest of four boys who loves living in a big Asian family
    with all his sisters-in-laws and nephews and nieces around him.

    line “that might work for white people”


    • cromwell says:

      I’m sure they out this stuff on to wind whitey up.


    • Jeff says:

      It’s a bit chilly to be working in the garden, so I thought I’d risk Radio 4’s afternoon play.
      I lasted about a minute and a half…
      In a moment of weakness I decided to try Father Brown. A nice, rather serene, 1950’s mystery. What could go wrong. Plenty. Cricket pavilion, chaps in their whites, needing another player…’Asian’ doctor arrives, offers his services, Colonel Blimp type says something like ‘ Damnation , we don’t want his sort ..’
      I hit the off switch…


      • Mustapha Sheikup al-Beebi says:

        Listening to Radio 4 drama and comedy is a bit like those Mike Tyson fights in the late 1980s: you’d do well to last the length of one round … and it often ends much sooner than that.


        • Fedup2 says:

          Tomorrow’s Afternoon Theatre is about a black 16 year old Gay Muslim boy with ‘special needs‘ who gets to The English South coast intending to study to become a wonderful NHS Doctor so that he can go home to his village but is seduced by white drug dealers into a life of crime ….

          The following day will be the same plot …

          … and in real life —- the speaker of the House of Commons gave the PM 10 minutes to brief us on the state of the lock down and held him to it as though his announcement was as trivial as any of the other wind wasted these self important air wasters

          I’m afraid speaker Hoyle let the country down by applying ridiculous commons procedures like an idiot .


      • JimS says:

        You need to watch the major in Fawlty Towers as an antidote!


    • StewGreen says:

      plot spoiler : the white woman is actually the daughter of the Pakistanis family’s father who fathered this half sister when his wife was still in Pakistan.
      the baby is the father’s grandchild
      The father of the grandchild has gone away.


    • Oldspeaker says:

      Unless all bbc drama is built on a false premise and advertising a lie won’t all three brothers already be married to white women?
      In reference to Stews r4 ‘drama’.


      • Rob in Cheshire says:

        No, they will be married to their cousins. White women are strictly for raping and passing around.


  39. StewGreen says:

    Women’s Hour narrative pushing
    “Female leaders good
    Male leaders bad”

    They list NZ, South Korea, Germany
    Funny how they never talk about Belgium and its *female* leader

    They occasionally condemn Myanmar, but rarely condemn Aung San Suu Kyi and Bangladeshi’s female leader.

    Their expert said not all women are good leaders, but “women are more likely to have a collaborative style than men”


    • Scroblene says:

      They’ll never mention Margaret Thatcher either, maybe even Theresa May…


  40. Fedup2 says:

    If you watch the Parliament channel you can play the background game of guessing what type of MP is speaking . Obviously there’s no need to have the sound on – unless you want to hear snowflakes -lies or The ever popular begging for other people’s money .

    Obviously racks of books about countries where MPs want to go on a jolly are prevalent -as well as whitey Labour MPs with suitably ethnic statues …..


  41. Doobster78 says:

    The BBC had a businesswoman on this morning. She ran a few business’s , can’t remember what.

    Now, of course, she was on the BBC so she was not happy with the Government announcement last night. Message not clear, no further forward, muddied the waters etc.

    Asking how is she meant to prepare her business to be Covid ready when Boris hasn’t told her what this means.

    Now, to get this right, this woman, a successful woman, cannot work out how to ready her business for re-opening in a Covid safe manner without being told by Boris ???. Really ? There is NOTHING she can start to do now, HERSELF whilst the places are shut ???? I think by now even the none too clever could work out some ways of sorting it.

    But the BBC will never ask this, it was just another mixed messages rant.

    Its another example of how so many are simply unable to do anything for themselves. The lack of common sense in this day and age is frightening.


    • Guest Who says:

      Not Deborah Derriere du Camion by chance?

      She seems to be the only ‘businesswoman’ they appear to have on speed dial.

      Not actually clear what business she is in, but on twitter it is still about sulking over Brexit.

      Explaining much.


  42. digg says:

    Interestingly more than one of my client / business associates have in the past few days revealed to me that although originally EU remain voters and thus Boris haters they are now becoming impressed with the way he and his Government are handling the situation and that they have changed their minds.

    Casual conversations with various people I know seem to suggest that they are getting clued up to the obvious childish bias and underhand tactics of the BBC to attempt to rubbish everything he says and does.

    Keep it up Beeboids, you are certainly losing viewers and listeners with every clumsy ploy you try to pull!

    Until you return to using genuine reporters rather than talking-head robots given attack lines to blurt out you will continue along the road towards oblivion.

    Many people in this Country are far smarter and more savvy than you think!


  43. Guest Who says:

    BS going ‘tell it often enough’, as any confusion sown, or claims of same, was by her profession.


    • JimS says:

      Next door’s 10 and 6 year-old were explaining it to me, over the fence.

      What I am struggling to understand is why the Bronzed Strumpet can’t understand it.

      Trump, Brexit and Boris Derangement Syndrome must have mashed her brain.

      If I was Ems I would be working on my “Why I never believed in Obama” story!


  44. Jeff says:

    I’d really like to understand the logic behind those that seem to want the lockdown to go on and on and…
    There’s no cure for Covid. There’s no vaccine in the foreseeable future. Do they expect us to live as hermits for the next two years?
    Are they even remotely concerned about the economy and business?
    Do they understand that without a vibrant economy we don’t have an NHS?
    Are they completely xxxxing mad?


    • JamesArthur says:

      I have spoken to quite a few people today and not one of them understands why the MSM are confused about the Govt’s action and as they all run businesses they have also been very positive about how they have been supported by the Govt..funny not heard that positive feedback on BBC

      Now Evan on R4..what a Tw*T…..who doesn’t seem to have read the latest report and is comparing us with South Korea…and asks the interviewee a question and then tells him he is wrong and answers the question himself…


      • Beltane says:

        Whatever history might have in store for us, looking back at this period will show that media criticism of the government has been relentlessly negative, petty, entirely unsupportive when support is psychologically essential and in many cases simply treasonous.
        As an indication of the distain in which the, predominantly, English are held and the ignorant arrogance of their critics, few examples exist – and this for a government with an 80-seat majority, reflecting the will of the people as clearly as could possibly be shown.
        A lack of knowledge of history is almost a requirement for what passes as today’s intelligentsia but, even under the unique circumstances in which we live, some reading up on what happens to elites when they ride rough-shod over the majority might be of benefit.


  45. Fedup2 says:

    If you are that way inclined have a look at the public health England site – which lays out stuff that can be done from Wednesday – simply – you can go out and do stuff with members of your household but not mix with those without whom you have contact – easy .

    But the MSM is showing how nanny state dependant every one is expected to be . Can you climb a ladder ? Wash your car ? Go fishing ? . Put yer washing out ? Stand on Westminster bridge clapping like an indoctrinated idiot ?

    Plod will be most vexed with this – a group of a household in a park will be legal – so the Stasi approach cannot be kept going . Riot bus thug sergeants won’t be able to intimate people filming plod intimidating people and screaming at them to ‘ go home you’re killing people ‘

    Tonight at 1755 on bbc Scotland / internet president Crankie will address the nation –
    Independence by stealth perhaps – but not with the British pound .and since the SNP is so green it can declare it will demand all those nasty hydrocarbons be forever buried beneath the North Sea …

    Funny how the BBC accommodates and supports such rampant nationalism – as long at its not English Nationalism .


    • taffman says:

      Please note that The Scottish Parliament does not represent the people of Scotland neither does The Welsh Assembly represent the people of Wales .
      The Scottish people voted to remain within Great Britain. The people of Wales voted for Brexit .
      The pro EU media are pushing the ‘independence’ line to fragment the UK in the misguided hope that Scotland would be rejoin the EU. Hence the false ‘Rampant Nationalism’.
      Any Scottish readers of this site agree or disagree with me ?


      • Fedup2 says:

        Thanks Taffman- I watched the Scottish President – it’s amazing how quickly the words politicians say turn into ‘blah blah ‘.
        None of them can say ‘keep big cities with highest densities locked up ‘ but the rest of the UK can get on with life now – and yes – I appreciate that the population of London doubles during the day …


      • Van Helsing says:


        I’m with you on this one. I’ve previously explained what segment of Scottish society is predominantly in favour of independence.


  46. Sluff says:

    Well, well, well.
    We’ve mentioned before the inconvenient proposition that NHS workers have exactly the same coronavirus death rate pro rata as the rest of us. No more, no less.
    Heresy, I can hear the LeftMob cry.

    But guess who says so now?
    Only the ONS itself !!!!!!!

    Not that the BBC will actually report such ‘inconvenient truth’.

    So what is the chance on Thursday that we will be asked to ‘clap for bus and taxi drivers, security guards, and social care workers’?

    None, of course.
    It doesn’t trip off the tongue, granted.
    But it should.
    Because they turn out to be the ones at greatest risk.


    • Fedup2 says:

      Sluff – I think I saw that security guards have the highest infection /death rate – not much clapping for them ….. I’m surprised that plod doesn’t have a high rate too since they seem to go about in groups of 6 or more …


  47. taffman says:

    “Brexit: UK-EU trade talks resume ahead of June summit”
    June will be an interesting month to watch Al Beeb’s biased broadcasts.


  48. Guest Who says:

    Sounds like a Radio 4 dream come true.


  49. Guest Who says:


    • theleftwilleatitself says:

      82,000 cancelled through March I read today!
      There have been 6 weeks since then so hopefully many more since ????
      Go on cancel it, you know it makes sense ????