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8pm Radio4 Illegal immigrants
Pictures of jubilant refugees landing on the UK shores throughout lockdown have been a regular feature in the news: their long and dangerous journeys investigated by Sue Mitchell
Expect emotional blackmail
Last year, Sue met a 14 year old girl who was single-handedly talking to smugglers and raising the money from relatives who had already reached the UK.
She details what happens as she and her siblings make the dangerous journey and she reflects on her new life in Britain.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000ktxk
Stew – I think I have finally sussed out the governments “strategy” for controlling immigration. You let in biblical numbers of migrants from completely different and often hostile cultures which then turn the country into a copy of the same 3rd world shithole that they have come from.
Hence they will stop wanting to come here anymore because they will be no better off here than there and if they stay there at least they can carry on with many of their unsavoury pastimes and customs in the sun.
Its brilliant!
It all began with Mr BLiar.
Beliar, Belial. These are two of the names for Satan.
Videos of Bathhouse Barry attracting flies during interviews; Lord of the Flies is another name for Satan.
GW,
And Witch Doctors, no doubt.
8:30pm Radio4 Humans vs the Planet
“How to think radically about the environment without being an eco-fascist.”
Balsa Lubarda @LubardaB
“Very excited to be on @BBCRadio4 tonight to speak about #FarRightEcologism
and radical environments.”
Angela Joy Allison @anjijoy
‘whites’ make up 12% of the world’s population, yet cause over 75% of the environmental harms.
If ‘humans are the virus’, the solution doesn’t rest with wiping out ‘non-whites’
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000ktxk
Genius, Tim… sheer genius.
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BBC Newsbeat
Children in Need will match the £10m Stormzy is donating to fight racial inequality in the UK.
The money will be donated over 10 years and will be used to help young business owners, as well as offering skills to help boost employability. Children in Need will also work with BBC Radio 1Xtra to develop young black talent in the media ????????
Seems just what the Charter ordered.
“Meet the woman….”
I don’t know a “trans” but that ‘woman’ sure looks the part.
Surely the question is why are sex scenes deemed to be necessary in films and TV programmes?
Former BBC presenter convicted of stalking for gaslighting his ex-lover for six months:
Ebs Akintade, 38, of Croydon, remained fixated on his estate agent lover Tom Chandler and couldn’t let go when the couple broke up in August 2019:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8517117/Former-BBC-broadcaster-gaslighted-estate-agent-ex-boyfriend.html
Ah it’s also on the CIoJournalist Twitter account
which has some good info
Former BBC presenter convicted of stalking for gaslighting his ex-lover for six months:
Ebs Akintade, 38, of Croydon, remained fixated on his estate agent lover Tom Chandler and couldn’t let go when the couple broke up in August 2019:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8517117/Former-BBC-broadcaster-gaslighted-estate-agent-ex-boyfriend.html
Local news : their clear focus was the BBC campaign to get the government to make mask wearing mandatory.
https://order-order.com/2020/07/13/defund-the-bbc-campaign-ramps-up-activity/
Guido Vommenter
“We must hunt down and destroy a 12 year old and his parents for a racist tweet a child sent to a footballer.
We must forgive a man who was in jail for half his life and held a gun to his pregnant girlfriends belly.”
commenter
Ummmm, Last week I happened to mention a small paragraph tucked away in the d/mail about a couple of herdsmen in Mongolia contracting Bubonic Plague, soooooo, now we have this……………..
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8518667/Fifteen-year-old-boy-dies-Black-Death-Mongolia-amid-increasing-fears-outbreak.html?ito=push-notification&ci=22696&si=5326219
Er, should we be worried ????
Sorry if this has been mooted before, but wouldn’t it be hilarious if, when the ‘Last Night of the Proms’ was recorded, the crowd spontaneously sang ‘Land of Hope and Glory’, and ‘Rule Britannia’, without the orchestra!
I’d probably pop in a version of ‘Swing low sweet chariot’ as well, for good measure and also do the actions, but ‘Ball of Kirriemuir’ might not go down too well with the wokes, sjws, snowflakes and weirdos…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/motorsport/53184543
the BBC still running cover for bubba smollet
must be some special camera to get that piece of string to look like that
It’s just a loop in a rope. A proper noose should have 13 turns.
@Kaiser is that article still prominent ?
Its dated June 29th
Corbyn was brought down by the Jews
says Margoyles
.. she gets a lot of supporting tweets
A while ago I was surprised to find many people who appeared to be anti-Semitic while also claiming to be Jewish.
Miriam Margoyles calls herself a middle class Jew. But also says: “I am, by nature, completely anti-religious. I am a militant atheist. I believe in humanity and morals but I don’t need God telling me what is right and what is wrong.” She is a political activist and is an advocate of the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement against Israel.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/tv-guide/119810369/miriam-margolyes-the-atheist-who-plays-a-nun-on-call-the-midwife
Whatever this foul baggage thinks she is, she’d still have gone up the chimney at Auschwitz. Self-hating Jews like her are just hoping the crocodile will eat them last.
Things the media don’t show you
To be honest I don’t know what this is all about, but Alex Belfield clearly hates Vine and the BBC, which is good enough for me.
Yes I posted it about it the other day
#1 AB is not liked in the theatre industry
They say it’s cos, he’s homophobic blah blah
He says that the real reason is cos he speaks his mind
and gave honest reviews instead of playing their PR game
#2 Someone made up a remarkable email with huge claims against AB
A bedroom blogger put it up
AB said take it down, apologise and name the BBC source that sent it to you
#3 Bedroom boy took it down apologised but wouldn’t name the source.
#4 AB said look you left the clues so I know its the loony Radio Northampton DJ
Neither the guy or the BBC would confirm nor deny
#5 Instead the BBC said AB was harassing
#6 Another theatre reviewer made a video repeating the claims
then when AB protested he sent a Tweet to Vine saying he was being harassed
Vine stupidly said the reviewer seems like a good guy so AB must be bad
#7 AB looks in his database and starts making a fuss about Vine misappropriating £1000 instead of giving it back to the licence payer
#8 BBC sends the police twice to AB’s house with a view to arrest for harassment
#9 AB starts a crowdfunder to sue the BBC
#10 AB gets an anonymous tip off that theatre review guy had changed his name by one letter and the reason he did this is cos he has a history of fraud and has served jailtime from when he worked at Barclaycard.
#11 AB is now inciting his listeners to phone in to Vine and ask about the £1,000, with a prize of 1,000p if they do.
West Midlands Police
This was discussed on the IanCollins show
but the discussion was rubbish, Collins is only half redpilled
He knows the BBC is corrupt but he’s still in the metro-bubble himself
So he and TalkRadio News editor @DavidACSpencer start talking
‘oh this footballer is upset , there must be an easy way to ban the N-word”
FFS that is so naive ..The word is not banned in the US and plenty of black people use it
Then when the trolls use they are just doing playground stuff
they’ll find a way round anyway.
Then Collins brings on Weyman Bennett as a voice of authority
FFS he is from Socialist Voice as well as being high in UAF
Collins should have mentioned this context
Bennett gets a quick dig at Tommy Robinson, which is wrong cos he’s not a racist. & always done Black & White unite stuff.
Stew
I’m surprised plod hasn’t managed to find a way to name the kid – guilty or not – ….. tricky one for the CPS to decide to prosecute since so many have been shouting about offensive name calling …. maybe they are after the parent (s) . It would be a ‘brave‘ prosecutor to decide not to prosecute and a ‘brave ‘ judge not to convict ——once the ball got rolling – Maybe the kid as Fedup with the -rematch theatrics as I am – “but it does send out a ‘powerful message ‘ “ as the commentators on all channels must now say like parrots …
Why don’t media mention Over 30 years with Keith Vaz was Leicester MP ?
Andrew Bridgen is the Conservative MP for North West Leicestershire (that doesn’t touch the city)
and he has been working extensively to expose the appalling conditions revealed last week that there are thousands of people in Leicester working in modern slavery conditions.
Mr Bridgen told Iain that “there are probably 10,000 modern slaves in Leicester” in about 250 of these “sweatshops” and he said that they have gone under the radar for such a long time because “the city council don’t inspect them.”
Andrew Bridgen talks sense. He should have been the Tory PM.
Haven’t seen this mentioned on the BBC website. Yesterday I checked all the BBC regional news webpages and there was nothing. Today I checked the BBC main news pages but saw nothing.
Still the news highlighting the slave labour in Leicester, but still no mention of who the bosses are ! as someone else said, if it was Mike Ashley it would be non-stop cameras door stepping him, so why isn’t the same being done to these Asian (or Eastern European) bastards.
So, pretty soon, we’ll all be forced to wear these hideous face nappies just to get into Sainsbury’s or to buy a pint of milk. It’s as clear as day.
Scotland’s mini dictator, Kim Jong Sturgeon, is already forcing the Jocks to do it and Kier Von Stomper wants it here. Boris is looking confused and saying says he’s thinking about it. We all know what that means…
I heard some daft bint being interviewed on the radio this afternoon. When she was asked about wearing the face nappy she giggled and said she didn’t mind. “It’s just another item of clothing” she said, “just like putting on your trousers.” No it’s not. It’s entirely different. We’ve been wearing normal clothes since we left the Garden of Eden, only ne’er do wells ever wore masks.
This face muzzle is odd and dehumanising and strangely creepy. The fact that it will also soon be compulsory is incredibly depressing.
When your government can even tell you what to wear you’re no longer living in a free country. But they’ve been building up to this for months. Stay indoors. Stand this side of the line. Walk this way. Don’t go there…This is just more control.
You know, a few months ago if I’d donned a mask and walked into my local bank I’d have been arrested.
Now I’ll get arrested if I’m not wearing one…
Madhouse.
Next week:
Praying five times each day to ‘RNHS’?
In the ‘olden days’ we put infectious people into isolation wards/hospitals. The old ones didn’t even have linking corridors.
Potentially sick people were quarantined. The legislation that the government started with was based on this but they turned it back-to-front, they locked up the healthy.
Similarly with simple masks, originally used to stop (mild) infections from operating theatre staff being passed to open wounds, not to stop healthy people passing (what?) to other healthy people. Have the supermarkets had mass virus outbreaks within their staffs? They have been open all the time and their staff huddle together all the time.
Basically the control freaks have run out of ideas.
“Basically the control freaks have run out of ideas.”
Trust me Jim, They haven’t. It’s only Monday.
Are law abiding citizens paying the price for the lack of social distancing due to all those black lives matter marches and protests that the BBC has been demanding everyone goes on?
So where can we get these masks and how much are they going to cost and how many times can we use them before we have to throw them away and use another?
The government have been paying peoples wages for not working and giving away billions to support the arts etc so are they going to give us the masks free?
Latest : Coronavirus: Face coverings in England’s shops to be compulsory from 24 July. Or You will be fined up to a £100 – Pathetic! Isn’t It is about time the police were used to prevent and fight real crime? stabbings, child grooming, slave gangs and Illegal people smuggling.
The Tory MPs are merely Liberals in disguise Career politicians . I finally hope that the ‘dyed in the wool voters’ are now able to see this ?
No fear TM, I’ve crafted a full facemask with eye and lip holes cut out of an old brown T-shirt.
What could possibly go wrong?
Hope I don’t catch C19 over the next 11 days before I actually have to wear it.
NotSure
I like your sense of humour ????
I work in a supermarket and have been mask-less for five days a week since the scandemic began – and so have 95% of my colleagues, so this further bout of fear-mongering really takes the biscuit. But if the issue is of such vital importance, why wait eleven more days? With each passing day, Boris becomes even more of a clueless lump, making policy through media demands.
The government we have now seem to be working on the shutting the stable after the horse has bolted principle. Lockdown when it was too late and people were entering the country at will. Now masks as they confuse cases with fatalities. Like trying to feed the dead parrot from Monty Python after it falls off the perch.
I’ve called Boris a lot of names over the last few months, but ‘clueless lump’ is my new favourite.
I had hopes, like many, I suspect.
Cheerio conservatives, into the pit with the other pretend politicians. (16 Ton weight falls on Rishi – For the Python fans)
On the 26th. June I sent my MP an email asking this question.
Could you please confirm that the government is not going to make vaccinations mandatory. And that no one who declines to be vaccinated will be disadvantaged, punished or otherwise segregated for not doing so; that there will be no travel restrictions, refusals of medical, or dental treatment, access to public transport or government funded services? Or that the wearing of a mask will not be made compulsory?
I’m still awaiting a reply.
I noted the signs on a bus in Bristol saying that you can now be fined £100 for not wearing a face covering on a bus . There was also a sign saying the driver will not be challenging anybody so not to bother him if you see somebody whose face is uncovered. Then there was yet another sign saying some people have health conditions which mean they should not wear a mask. So whose job is it to enforce all this and to decide who should be fined?
Tom Phillips the Fullfact guy was also on doing a bubbleworld thing
“Oh Boris once said all Covid tests were done in 24 hours, but it turns it’s nowhere near that”
FFS that’s a strawman , you don’t just take the most extreme theing the Buffoon said and work from there
No one in the real world expected all tests to come back in 24 hours
They wouldn’t be surprised if it took 2 or 3 days
He mentioned how appallingly low the 24 hour rate was for mobile test 18%, but never even started to explain what the average picture was
We want the truth, not just bashing Boris
Then he did “some people say 21 million people died in China
but that was just the number of phones that were cancelled
and 14 million of them were restarted”
Presenter “so how many Chinese did die ?”
“dunno”
FFS
BAME girl went to do work experience at BBC and found that they are mad on Identity politics
Direct link to 3 mins into video
‘I never thought about my race but at the BBC everything was so racialised I felt paranoid’
Ramsha Khan from Free Market Conservatives
Dan Hodges: The liberal Left now view white British workers as their enemy
MoS writer
Some of you might be interested in this.
One good thing about you Sassenachs joining us north of the border in the mask wearing stakes. While the next election may be four years off, you can vote for whoever you like and not have to worry it might let Labour in. After all, Labour couldn’t possibly be any worse than these useless Tories.
Can you buy ‘all lives matter’ masks ? I would buy some of them ! .. Actually, just checked, you can 🙂
Man aged 20 hacked to death in Wolverhampton with a machete, no mention on the BBC as its now the “norm” and still no report on modern slavery alive and thriving in the UK added and abeted by the left and the BBC in that Asians are untouchable and any any reference to them being involved in illegal activity (please include child rape) is racist.
@Halifax you were wrong ..
It was on the BBC website when you posted ..from 18:20pm yesterday
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-53398087
From same West Midlands police that spend all their time policing Twitter from 12 year old boys winding people up with hurty words.
We’ve launched a murder enquiry after a man was stabbed in a Wolverhampton street today (13 July just after 5.20pm )
a man having been attacked with a machete in Chervil Rise, Wolverhampton.
It’s understood the offender ran off on foot and we’re now appealing for witnesses to get in touch.
Machete ? is that code word for Somali/African/Caribbean attack ?
Norman Brennan thread on the crime
His account is good for breaking violence stories.
\\Winter wave of Coronavirus ‘could be much worse’//
There we have it , that “could” again. In truth they really don’t know and they continue to cry wolf.
IMHO Tory voters are beginning to find the government an embarrassment. They have been unable to curb the cross channel invaders , unable to close down Al Beeb, continue to waste money on Hs2 , the list goes on .
We need a new political party . The Brexit Party.
taffman
Sadly I agree but also doubt the Brexit Party would gain any seats unless they infiltrate Labour and Tories and then defect..
\\Winter wave of Coronavirus ‘could be much worse’//
There we have it , that “could” again. In truth they really don’t know and they continue to cry wolf.
IMHO Tory voters are beginning to find the government an embarrassment. They have been unable to curb the cross channel invaders , unable to close down Al Beeb, continue to waste money on Hs2 , the list goes on ……
We need a new political party, The Brexit Party.
Get Farage in.
They have a HYS.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53397617?
Interesting image of an ‘English Shop’.
Lewis switches from stirring to defensive suspicions when hit with reality.
GW did they change the picture now ?
The thing about the mask policy .. it genertes a story where Boris can be attacked
For first time in ages the anti-Tories are winning the HYS”
good comment
“Don’t put a mask on yet, do it in 10 days time.
Also, if you go to a restaurant while you’re out shopping,
take it off and we’ll give you a £10 voucher.”
Tory voters are beginning to find the government an embarrassment.
Yes. And one suspects one hopes in vain that they take notice of sentiment hereabouts.
Bbc Moaning Emole
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Housing decision
A judge has ruled that blanket bans on renting properties to people on housing benefit are unlawful and discriminatory. The case – brought by a single mother of two – has been described as “momentous” by housing charity Shelter. A survey it commissioned at the start of this year found nearly two-thirds of private landlords either do not, or prefer not to, let to people on housing benefits.
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Can’t imagine why. When ours went on benefits they diverted the rent from us to continue funding the booze and fags.
‘A judge has ruled that blanket bans on renting properties to people on housing benefit are unlawful and discriminatory.’
Interesting as ever to see public policy set by unelected judges.
Hardly worth us bothering with our pencils hovering over those ballot cards.
Then again it seems to fit with government policy which is setting a course for upwards of five million unemployed.
Also on the ‘mole.
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Will women have to work harder after the pandemic?
Like many successful career women, Simone Ramos feels she’s had to work harder than any man to get to the top. A high-flying executive and risk manager for global insurance group THB in Sao Paulo, Ms Ramos is also an adviser for the Brazilian association of women in the insurance market. She tells younger women they can reach the top with “focus, determination and clear goals”. But like other experts, she is concerned about the extra pressures being put on women’s careers during the pandemic – and whether this can end up pushing them back.
Read full analysis >
Pablo Uchoa
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He is ‘reporting’ ‘feels’. Of a woman. In Brazil. Here.
Pablo is doubtless essential. Pablo will go far.
Jez Vile set for the week.
Sir Lefty, as ever, is on it.
Also Sir Lefty.
And why the BBC has Kev Maguire on as often as Owen and Champion, for their ‘expertise’.
Should Italy pay reparations for all the slaves the Romans took from our isles?
What about all that white slave trading by the muslims? They must owe us trillions in reparations.
And who will make atonement for the thousands of white slaves traded through Plantation ships from the UK & Europe to the Americas? Lloyds of London have no right to use underwriters money-if individual people wish to make such insincere payments in some sort of duplicitous venture then, that is up to them. I am sick of this blame being shown as all one sided-many countries within Europe and outwith Europe were heavily involved in the slave trade, for centuries and in particular black African traders and Arab traders, perhaps they should also be included in the reparations movement.
The BBC and the lockdown-loving Left (but I repeat myself) get their win over Boris. A face-nappy plague fear badge indefinitely stuck over the face of Britain.
Poke the Pillsbury Doughboy in the gut, he giggles, waffles and ultimately rolls over.
The lockdown-comfortable, shirking-from-home media classes will move onto the next bee in their Scots Nats-style bonnets.
With every new retail job loss the real economy will plunge closer to the delayed but inevitably looming (not zooming) ravine.
As previously promised I shall avoid voting Tory at least until Boris is gone.
2 x Top comments at ITBB
http://isthebbcbiased.blogspot.com/2020/06/open-thread.html
Charlie
“…many in Poland are uneasy about the government’s attempts to introduce a more illiberal democracy.” says the BBC in its report about President Andrzej Duda’s win in Poland’s election.
I wonder who at the BBC has decided that the incumbent (right of centre) government is attempting to make Poland illiberal? And what is it that is being introduced that so upsets those at the BBC?
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Charlie •
BBC News tonight said ‘once again he leads the conversation’ when showing Lewis Hamilton taking the knee and doing a black power salute on the podium.
That BBC voiceover was leading the conversation as well – right into the area of political partiality.
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Is Lewis Goodhall now writing all scripts?
Until he has to quietly rewrite them?
Mask on, mask off, mask on, mask off, etc, etc . It has almost become a tool for virtue signalling. Some of Al Beeb’s tv presenters would benefit by wearing a mask when on screen.
What a lovely thought taffman
But why only some?
Well, ‘our Mishal’ is a ‘bit of a looker’ so you wouldn’t want her to wear a mask on air.
🙂
By the way, where on earth is the exit strategy for this compulsory face-nappying of the population?
Christmas? That’ll be a good look for Xmas shopping.
Next Spring? Spring is virus season.
From here it looks as though we’re stuck with it for ever.
Come on supermarkets, you used to have huge lobbying power over government. Are Sainburys Tesco et al really up for this self-flagelation?
Am I naive? Have the retail giants done their calculations and reckoned they can game this panic by saving high street rents and going on line and door step delivery. No wonder our borders are wedged wide open. They will need the cheap labour for delivery drivers.
AsISeeIt
Agree completely and that’s why I am so disappointed with Boris – he has just bowed down to the Media and Labour – the long term is that we have to live with masks from birth to death…
However as there does not seem to be a definition of mask it will be interesting to see how they respond to my Lone Ranger mask in local shop
AISI, I think it will disappear fairly quickly when some scientists start pointing out that face covering by law is pointless unless you add compulsory gloves to the face mask rules.
Stew Green has already explained on here how a mask does need to be used properly.
That really requires a hand (with a protective glove removed) to make any adjustments to the mask or to touch the face and neck near the mask – and then for the glove to be replaced before touching anything that may be touched by another person within a shop.
If Covid-19 cases still increase, mask wearing will be deemed to have no effect and there will be pressure to have it scrapped.
If Covid-19 cases continue their gradual fall, compulsory face covering again will be shown to have no effect and there will be pressure for the rule to be scrapped.
Compulsory face covering will only be continued, I would have thought, if there is a dramatic sudden fall in infections after it is made mandatory. Watch this space.
‘some scientists start pointing out that face covering by law is pointless unless you add compulsory gloves to the face mask rules.’
Please don’t put that idea into their heads.
What next, bicycle clips?
Wellington boots?
Chastity belts?
Guest -the outcome of the election in Poland ensures the survival of a relatively conservative block in Europe, as a counterweight to the ‘liberal’ (socialist?) EU.
Along with Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic and Slovakia make up the ‘Visegrad’ group, which is clearly not going to ‘bow the knee’ to the Merkel-minded anti-European EU.
Which can only be a good thing.
Beeb won’t like it.
It is sad
My father when he was post 60 said ‘ I wish I was 20 again’
Myself past 60 ‘ Thank god I am not’ a sentiment echoed by many my friends of similar challenged years.
What a damning epitaph to all our professional politicans, aided by an over enthusiastic BBC and legions of fellow media luvvies’ who have well set the future as ‘the religion of peace‘ and the joy of living in our own little version of downtown Baghdad.
I hope they all rot in eternal damnation.
I’m intrigued by the phrasing of a news headline pop up on my moby.
“Shoppers in England will have to….”
You see, this seems to take the some of the sting out of this draconian blanket compulsion. Shoppers implies somehow a separate group. As if we don’t all have to shop.
I can almost visualise an acedemic writing that line, detached, affront a bookshelf, Oxbridge cityscape glimpsed through a study window. Real world blurred through theoretical glasses.
Comfortably tenured.
Seems trainer floggers are now de rigger at the national Disgrace (Ingerlan).
So JD Sports boss doesn’t want this shopping “deterrant” delayed? Mixed massages. Perhaps he should go into politics?
Tell it to your shareholders, mate. I’m sure they’ll understand.
JD Sports are at liberty to refuse entry unless you wear a mask. Since polls appear to suggest huge support, they won’t lose much business, surely? And what’s it got to do with them if other businesses don’t want to follow suit?
Odd, though, how these polls didn’t ever seem to translate into the same level of voluntary mask wearing in my supermarket. Until Wee Nippy jumped the gun up here.
The next GE may be years away but there are local elections next March. It is time to start ridding ourselves of the corrupt Electoral Commission who both aid and abet and turn a blind eye to fraud.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/review-of-electoral-regulation-public-consultation
As expected the bBC are a bit quiet about this although they did report in May that Peter Bone had called for the abolition of the Electoral Commission largely based on its hounding of Leave organisations.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-52648347/pmqs-peter-bone-calls-for-abolition-of-electoral-commission
Also, it is disappointing (although perhaps not surprising) that neither of these petitions have many signatures.
Scrap ‘On-Demand’ Postal Voting, & Create Strict Eligibility Criteria
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/301157
and
Introduce Voter ID in every UK constituency for all Local & General Elections
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/301120/
We all know who the main perpetrators of electoral fraud are and which party they support.
It’s fingers down thrown time with knobs on.
Next week’s Radio Times has a front page, ‘I love the NHS’ and inside is a message from the editors ‘NHS for ever’, followed by no less than five whole pages of ‘Thank you NHS’ from the great and the good. Like Stephen Fry and Andrew Marr (I wonder how many of them actually use private healthcare-which they can easily afford).
It’s all an advert for a programme on the 23rd, ‘Dear NHS superstars’
So many supporters of an unaccountable, untouchable nationalised industry. But what pray are we thanking them for ?
Letting people out of hospitals back to care homes when they have Coronavirus?
Acute facilities in Cornwall, where the Coronavirus death rate is 60%, versus under 15% in the best areas?
Cover ups and rotten performance in Mid Staffs?
And Shrewsbury? And Bristol?
Sounds like the BBC is more interested in protecting an organisation that is like them, than in ‘informing and educating’ the public.
Still, I must put the 23rd in my calendar. Oh damn. I’m having my toenails removed that evening instead.
Sluff
At the moment my feelings about the whole of this country’s establishments from MSM, Education, Health and Govt are so low they can’t be measured.
Boris has gone from hero to zero..and this latest mask episode is the nail in the coffin.
I work with the NHS and can tell you they are not all superstars…in fact the section I work with hasn’t even got a date to get back to patient care – when it could start tomorrow..it is the NHS arrogance that stops it and all this clapping does is make it worse. They get paid to do a job….and as you say the mistakes that are made are covered up – and people paid off.
P*ssed off and depressed of UK
Last week’s Radio Times cover
had a big picture of Sheku on to promote the BBC’s black musical family special.
that looked like inverted racism to me.
TOADY Watch #1 – BBC in a bit of a bind
30 mins of the prog endured today. News about face masks puts the BBC in a difficult place. The BBC would obviously like to criticise the PM and the Government for a U-turn, a U-turn that doesn’t make sense and a U-turn that introduces draconian measures.
But they cannot.
Draconian measures fund the BBC. The BBC have taken a draconian measure against 75 year old pensioners. Those who live in glass houses cannot start throwing rocks at everyone and everything in Government without putting their own house at risk.
‘criticise the PM and the Government for a U-turn’
More to the point the BBC nagged and nagged Boris into the U-turn.
AISI, yes indeed they did. I wonder if Cummings helped to walk the BBC into that pre-dug hole or whether Bojo thought it all up on his own?
WTF just before 9am all BBC radio channels broadcast a Coronavirus charity appeal simultaneously.
… that’s a bit Stalinist.
9am news, we are allowed to hear from pro mask voice, but not anti-mask.
The UKs one country , one policy approach is nuts
… No one caught Corona in any shop around here
I imagine in the drug area of big towns it’s different
with people unable to control themselves and stay in when they are all coughy coughy.
BBC Ooops! Department: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/newsbeat-53395935/south-asian-anti-black-racism-we-don-t-marry-black-people
Looks as though the BBC’s poster boy Lewis Hamilton was wrong and Bernie Ecclestone was correct in his claim that BAME people could be racists as well.
The credits list to that is impressively diverse too.
Up2
No S*it Sherlock as they would say 🙂
I think most people would agree with Bernie on this one….well except the Great Orator and Statesman Hamilton
I’ve heard a lot about this Hamilton thing.
Is it that show where a lot of sweary black rappers dress up as eigthteenth century Formula One drivers and do the black panther salute to the words of the American constitution, notice a noose-shaped bit of rope backstage and run away shouting We The People Find Racism To Be Self-Evident, to thunderous applause from the liberal-minded white crowd paying £200 a seat – or is it me that is confused?
“Racist words like the N-word are tabboo in the UK”
Clearly the BBC doesn’t know many ‘South Asians’.
‘South Asians’ can say or do what they like, part of ‘community cohesion’ and ‘multiculturism’.
Just a thought: The BBC obsesses about ‘proportions’, I wonder if BAME pay for TV licences disproportionately?
On face masks I think the gov can be given a small benefit of the doubt. Or more precisely, being in a cleft stick.
It is a fine balance. The act of wearing a mask and the handling of it afterwards is a big transmission risk if it has some virus on it. How many wearers wash or discard straight after use, having also washed their hands before and after? Exactly. Almost no-one. It also creates a false sense of security. Do you remember when front seat belts were made compulsory? Rear seat injuries went up! I rest my case.
Not wearing a mask prevents virus build up. But wearing would save you if a carrier coughed all over you. Which some pig ignorant people will.
But no doubt at all that asymptomatic transmission is reduced by wearing.
So in the ideal scenario, everyone would be wearing a mask except you/ me !!!!
But of course there is a perception that wearing a mask MUST be beneficial and so I suspect the science is being ditched in favour of the popular perception of people…….some of the same masses who flood Bournemouth beach on a sunny day.
Oh, well.
Sluff, compulsory seat belt wearing also kills up to 20* people a year in the UK where drivers or front seat passengers are trapped or thrown against ‘A’ or ‘B’ pillars or windows or internally injured by the belts themselves.
The thing about masks is (I listed the downsides at the weekend) that unless you make glove use also compulsory in shops, the face mask legislation is pretty much of none effect. One of the downsides I listed was that they produce a false sense of security in everyone which may lead to carelessness.
The thought struck me this morning that the last time I really noticed someone coughing in a supermarket was way back on the Saturday before the PM announced the lockdown on Monday 23 March 2020. Can’t say that that has happened – at all – since then.
(* I think that is the worst ever figure for annual seat belt deaths but could be wrong or just out of date on that stat.)
I’m sorry Mr Sluff, I can’t let all of your comment stand without some counter comment.
‘On face masks I think the gov can be given a small benefit of the doubt.’
No, no no. And again no.
‘no doubt at all that asymptomatic transmission is reduced by wearing’
Really? You may of course refer me to the scientific study that proves that bold assertion.
‘But of course there is a perception that wearing a mask MUST be beneficial and so I suspect the science is being ditched in favour of the popular perception of people’
Ah, so you tend to come round to my way of thinking.
‘wearing would save you if a carrier coughed all over you’
For goodness sake, are you serious? What kind of murderous dystopian hell hole Waitrose do you frequent? The only headlined incidence of deliberate speading (that railway station worker being spat at story) turned out to be pure fabrication.
‘some of the same masses who flood Bournemouth beach on a sunny day.’
Well, you know what the inevitable answer to that will be – mask up on the beach!
AISI, think we have evidence from either HK, SK or Singapore, where someone sat in a seat for an evening church service that had been occupied by someone in the morning service who had just returned from a visit to China. That was a person>surface>person transmission.
In China, HK, SK, Japan and Singapore the wearing of face masks was routine pre-Covid-19 when outdoors in cities because of pollution. Tourists from those countries even wear face masks in London because of perceived traffic fumes. So do some cycle messengers.
None of that routine outdoor face-mask-wearing stopped transmission of Covid-19 in those countries from October/November 2019-on, did it?
Up2, I think I have a cristmas cracker toy… ‘from either HK, SK or Singapore’.
I’m sarcastic but I think we are mostly of one mind here.
The bottom line is that whether masks are marginally protective or not they are a clear outward sign of fear of infection. Now from that basis as a policy one decides whether one wants to extend that fear?
Boris has been bullied into extending the fear. Clearly it was not his first instinct but he has caved in to pressure. I think he has miscalculated. He has underestimated the increased economic and social damage and over-estimated any small praise he will get. Plus he will be bullied again over the next media three day wonder that lands us in new open-ended regulations.
@Up2snuff Your church example doesn’t prove cause and effect.
Sure the second guy got Covid, he may well have got it from a guy coughing on him in the afternoon.
Really, Stew?
It was identified that the people (think it was a couple) could only have been in contact with the seats that had been occupied by a couple who had been China. Iirc, they second couple had been certain that they had no other possible source of infection. Also, how do you know that they were not wearing masks?
Link ?
“second couple had been certain that they had no other possible source of infection. ”
rubbish you can’t get from the church to your home with zero chance of infection from somewhere else
“Also, how do you know that they were not wearing masks?”
masks are not a vaccination against Covid
and if incorrectly worn increase your chances of getting it.
Stew, you are the man to hunt for that link as my back-up machine wheezes away if I have too many tabs open.
What I think you forget is how important surface transmission is. Remember that message that was drummed in right at the beginning, with that stupid ‘sing Happy Birthday’ while you do it?
Does this compulsion for England (not rUK) have to face a Parliamentary vote? Or can it be enforced with an Executive Order under the existing Pandemic legislation? If the latter, why delay until 24 July, why not order it immediately?
Could be an interesting Parliamentary ‘position maker’. 😉
There’s quite a bit on droplet transmission distances and quite a bit on asymptomatic transmission. Though Aslt above is not wrong. 2m is a risk-compromise distance. There’s no cliff-edge distance. But a general 2m message is a whole lot easier to understand than e.g. ‘1.97m on a Tuesday if you are in a queue at the bookmakers with only a small window open’.
In the interests of open-ness here are the complications.
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/what-is-the-evidence-to-support-the-2-metre-social-distancing-rule-to-reduce-covid-19-transmission/
There’s also my own data point. A guest in our garden was speaking and the low sun was at just the right angle to show his shower of spittle falling to the ground in an arc. Readers may be happy to be unmasked and well within 2m of such a person but it’s not for me.
The irony was …he had already had the virus.
So I’m certainly cautious and being face to face with someone at a 1 m distance. Especially if they have the virus but don’t know they have because they have no symptoms.
Sluff…. “A guest in our garden was speaking and the low sun was at just the right angle to show his shower of spittle falling to the ground “…..
I can confirm this. On many occasions before lockdown when driving (and yep, you’re right about the angle of the sun), and I’ve been chatting away to a passenger, I’ve noticed my own ‘spray’ emanating from my mouth – which is not normally visible to the naked eye. When I first saw this happen, I did think wow! that’s not good, but its something out of our control because we’re not aware of it happening.
Multiply this occurrence by trillions and its perfectly feasible how bacteria is spread around. Coughing and sneezing is a visual thing, so knowing its happening we move aside, but unseen mouth spray is a different matter – particularly within the confines of a car !
There’s not too many votes for the ‘Masks’ discussion topic above.
But whether we all agree or disagree with each other, in whole or in part, I can’t help thinking that the level of above debate is a whole lot more informative than that which is produced by several hundred so-called journalists and their editors at our fine impartial statist broadcaster.
TOADY Watch #2 – Predictive text used by unpaid intern?
Nick Robinson introduced the Toady Prog this morning and read out the date 14 January 2020. He realised what he had said and corrected himself immediately. I wonder if the text for the prog had been produced by an intern who had to rely on predictive text and spell check because that is 1. needed to cover their poor education, or, 2. that is all they have been used to in the digital era.
I seem to recall that many years ago the journalists presenting on Toady wrote their own scripts for the programme.
“Ben Habib: I am not BAME”
.. Yeh it classes all non whites as victims
And is racist, cos it classes people not by need but by skin colour.
It really means “non-white” so in implementation is anti white
cos orgs like BBC fill places with middle class non-whites whilst excluding working-class white males.
https://westmonster.com/habib-i-am-not-bame
So, here goes.
I know what I know. I don’t know what I don’t know. I used to rely on various sources for the latter. Now I am at best dubious. Almost no one, including supposedly rigorous scientists, appears to either have a clue or the ability to resist ideological influences.
So I currently rely on experience and common sense.
My wife and I are ‘at risk’. Our kids are now back from Uni. They went through internal quarantine. We cooked and fed them and they wore masks and had their own bed and shower room and dined there too.
We as a family walk the dogs and socially distance.
A nice man just delivered some DIY stuff… might as well be productive as no freelance money. He was not wearing any PPE. We were. Masks, goggles and gloves. Latter disposed of after removing and binning packaging. Items to be left for a few days.
We have needed to to go out to town. Rarely. Feel for the retailers. Full PPE. Not great… no biggie. No problem walking on the side of street designated. No problem wearing masks in shops for a wee while. Masks straight into washer back down. Goggles wiped down with Don wipes. Gloves disposed after proper removal.
It protects others from us and if they wear them it protects us from them… however ‘it’ emerges and travels. Pure logic and physics and a bit of biology and chemistry.
I will not be having any rushed vaccine injected no matter what. I was the Thalidomide generation, and lucky my folks had their doubts.
I find the current government a bad joke in thrall of worse bad jokes. Never has politics of the least bad seemed so dangerous and frustrating.
The only thing worse is opportunistic opposition entities, political and media.
Be well.
FIN.
@GW PPE for deliveries ? None of our postman wear it
I am kind of in my 93 yo neighbours bubble so I might go into her conservatory once a day for a quick chat .
She is in a shield category but has decided to not over do it so occasionally the postman sticks his head in the door for a few words.
I went to my sisters for dinner tonight. In her small town everyone says hi to me as I walk .. into the COOP not one wears a mask except an elderly customer on the 8 in their
In Tesco only 3 people, no sign of masks either.
The only known case in the region was a nurse in the village magazine, she works in a Yorkshire hospital and must of caught a heavy dose there cos she needed 2 weeks in hospital, and couldn’t mange when she went back to work, so took more time off.
The last item on R4’s short 10 a.m. news was the postponement of the launch of the joint Arab mission to Mars due to bad weather at the launch site in Japan.
The first item on Woman’s Hour, immediately after this, was an apology (yes!) by presenter Jane Garvey for this delayed launch, the justification seeming to be that they had featured the mission in a previous edition.
There is quite a lot to unpack here: why is this a Woman’s Hour story in the first place? Why did Garvey feel the need to apologize? Why even mention it, when it had just been adequately covered on the news? Why the glum tone at what is a fairly regular occurrence (launch delayed by weather) rather than, say, something more serious such as an explosion shortly after take-off of an unmanned rocket?
Yet more casual BBC bias, not damning by itself but very much part of the Agenda.
‘ joint Arab mission to Mars’ ?
I guess they heard it’s a desert up there.
“why is this a Woman’s Hour story in the first place?”
Didn’t you realise it’s an all-female mission, (in the BBC’s mind)?
As women are from Venus and men from Mars I can only assume that the UAE women are looking for replacement men?
Oh yes I heard the original report- 44% of team are female….that was the big part of the story – and in the UAE…
No real interest in the real story – the mission – just how come 44% are female…that’s BBC for you….
and Garvey-train like Vine and Montague has that on air sickly whine voice when she attempts to feign emotion….it must be part of BBC training
I’ve seen many articles and comments saying the vast majority of face masks are completely useless. You might as well wear a hair net over your mouth as the virus is so small it freely moves through the masks as you breath in and out.
There are proper masks which filter out some of the virus but these are over £30 each and are only effective for a few hours.
If the government is serious about masks making you safe then it should issue, free of charge, these high quality masks in packs of 100 to every one of us so that we can effectively stop transmitting this virus in shops. Anything less than that is just an ineffective waste of time and effort and will only result in closing thousands of smaller shops.
As with immigration and a whole host of other issues, we are let down by those voted in who said they would do as we asked.
This government is proving to be completely useless with Boris and Priti both being huge disappointments.
It’s a libdem government.
When will we ever get a Conservative government or even better, a Farage led government. It’s what we need but why will it never happen. There’s enough of us to make it happen but we always fail.
EG, you are right. Medical masks are designed to protect the near-corpse with the open skin/exposed organs on the operating table and allow surgeons and doctors to give instructions and warnings to each other and also to the nurses assisting. The medical team are also gloved and now, in the post-HIV/AIDS era, also wear faceshields to guard against blood splatter.
Think some surgeons also have optional magnifiers that they can flip into place to give them a better sight of what they are about to slice. Increasingly though, operations – especially those involving micro-surgery – will be done by robots and computer controlled because the extra precision will allow finer movements than that of human.
On the TCW w-s I think someone mentioned the standard particulate size for breath/cough/sneeze moisture as 0.25 of a micron but that Covid-19 (and I assume other viruses) can have a particulate size of half that.
https://conservativewoman.co.uk/why-masks-are-a-waste-of-time/
It may be in the comments.
Evidence is accumulating that the spread is by aerosol as well . Check out Nature on 8th July. If so masks other than N95 are useless. Or at best slightly better than nothing at all. Even the WHO is moving towards the aerosol spread. Now i always thought that was a possibility. Why? Simply the speed and the spread of the virus.
Interesting. If the virus does survive initial and brief exposure to moisture then that is possibly how deliberate infection is being carried out in some countries.
The evidence shows that if 50% of people wear a mask they are effective
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200611/widespread-face-mask-use-could-control-second-wave
9:45am LBC is pushing “non-mask wearers are selfish”
Ferrari is on holiday
Another from Alex
BBC J*r*my Vi*e and the convict.
https://youtu.be/YwYC0CwiFbA
JVine is a disgusting hypocrit, like almost all who work at the foul corporation.