Midweek Thread 27 January 2021

Holocaust Memorial Day … …………………………………………………………..

And then this –

Below is a sentence in a BBC online report

“Police have begun an investigation into potential breaches of Covid-19 regulations at the funeral of an IRA veteran in Londonderry.”

Over to you

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528 Responses to Midweek Thread 27 January 2021

  1. Scroblene says:

    Just read in the Frederick Forsyth story ‘Avenger’, that the British forces used to bug the coffins for ‘info’!

    Apparently, it went on for years!

    Maybe this is one for Marianna…

    “The term “veteran” means a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable”


    • Fedup2 says:

      I instinctively thought of complaining about this . But then realised I would be wasting my time . I’m sure AQ and iSIS ‘veterans ‘ sitting in Belmarsh will appreciate their new status .

      Veteran then – is the new terrorist …

      Look out for ‘veteran attacks ‘… coming soon …

      Elswhere a political show trial is being set up in an eastern bloc / third world country – sorry that should read ‘USA’ despite 45 Congressmen voting against it and meaning the accused cannot be found guilty …. although I’m sure the voting will be fixed again ….


    • JohnC says:

      As a veteran of our own armed forces who served while the IRA murdered scores of innocent people with nail bombs and put bullets through both knees of those who upset them, I am totally disgusted that this terrorist is afforded this honour by the BBC.
      It’s an absolute disgrace.


    • Blackwell says:

      Hi Scroblene,

      Your definition of ‘veteran’ comes from the US Department of Veteran Affairs. They use this as criteria for former service personnel to access benefits/medical treatment etc:



      Your definition’s reference to the means of discharge or release immediately aroused suspicion as that is irrelevant to whether someone is a veteran or not.

      Here’s a couple of dictionary definitions:


      a person who has had long experience in a particular field.

      a person who has had a lot of experience of a particular activity:

      Wikipedia on ‘veteran’:

      A veteran (from Latin vetus, meaning “old”) is a person who had long service or experience in a particular occupation or field. A military veteran is a person who has served and is no longer serving in a military. A military veteran that has served directly in combat in a war is further defined as a war veteran.



      • Fedup2 says:

        Blackwell – so what you are saying is – that it is ok to refer to a terrorist member of a banned organisation ‘an IRA veteran “?

        A yes or no answer would be best ….


    • NCBBC says:

      Speaking of funerals etc.

      In the everlasting days of Covid, will it become mandatory for all funerals to be cremations. To prevent Covid of course. Particularly for Christians.

      There will be exceptions ofcourse.


  2. Twin_Town says:

    Just seen this on their webshite…


    A very sad story obviously of a loss of a loved one, but as per typical BBC bad reporting they say 100000 died “of” COVID in the 1st sentence – this is not correct as they have tested positive in the last 28 days – but typically serves as the on-going barrage of doom and gloom news on the homepage. Why can’t these kidults get things right after 10 months?

    I’m glad I don’t fund any of this shit anymore – shut ‘em down I say.


  3. Guest Who says:

    I guess I am a groupie from here for ITBB as much as the Graun is for the BBC.


    Possible slight difference in as much as ITBB tend to err on the side of researched fact and, as Stew pointed out last night, will need to steam as a free small blog to match a major righteous broadsheet of little ABC rating and a 20,000 strong, £5B broadcast behemoth for quietly deep sixing ‘news’ they issue at odds with l’actualite.

    And they are on a nifty roll with the world’s most trusted propaganda employer at the mo.

    Here’s them with MeMeMarianna and Pesto.


    And the ever reliable… reliably bent Lewis.



  4. AsISeeIt says:

    Like Mark Anthony in Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar, it appears Boris Johnson – ever the classicist – has come to bury our nation, not to praise it.

    ‘I’m deeply sorry for every life lost’ (Daily Express & just about every other title)

    The mawkishness on display in today’s press is a sight to behold.

    Not since the ancient Egyptians has a society sunk so much treasure into an attempt to overcome death through natural causes. It would now hardly surprise us if Matt Hancock appeared on our TVs announcing plans to build a pyramid, in honour of the NHS, just outside of Birmingham – it would almost justify HS2.

    One hesistates to fathom how to go about a review of taday’s national newspapers. It might seem akin to some west end stage critic attempting to review a funeral service – how many stars should this have out of five?

    The stepson spoke surprisingly well of the deceased, despite his stutter. Floral tributes were adequate. The vicar’s oration was mercifully concise. The choice of music was almost spot on, the Rolling Stones being an unusual choice for a funeral, however, Jagger’s line “You can’t always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you find, you get what you need” gave everyone pause for reflection. If one had to nit-pick, the departed’s second wife was somewhat over-dressed for the occasion, fishnet stockings appearing a tad racy. Overall three-and-half stars out of five.


  5. Twin_Town says:

    Another one…


    They claim that “ Despite the pandemic, almost two thirds of people around the world now view climate change as a global emergency.”

    That’s is one hell of a statement… 2/3 of the people I know don’t believe that – does anyone here know 2/3 of the people they know believe that?

    They surveyed 1.22 million people and 550000 were between 16&24 so not really a balanced view. How many took part from China, or Russia or India?

    They even go on to say the more “educated” you are the more you will believe in climate change ????

    It beggars belief that tripe like this makes headlines


    • JohnC says:

      Well, I believe in climate change.
      What I don’t believe is that anything we do is going to make more than a few percent difference. It’s a natural cycle : when it reaches the peak, things will happen which cause it to do the opposite.
      What I absolutely believe is that the majority of people who push the lie that we can stop it see some way for themselves to profit from it.
      We should be more concerned with stopping pollution and dealing with climate changes when they happen.


      • G says:

        I always say, “Ban all volcanoes on land and beneath the sea” All resources should be put into action to combat this………….

        When you’ve done that, make a start on the Solar Cycle.

        Let’s be glad the children are playing quietly amongst themselves.


        • JonT says:

          Don’t worry G.

          I have it on good authority that Volcanoes and the Solar Cycle are due to be banned.

          It’s going to be Joe Biden’s next executive order.


          • Rob in Cheshire says:

            He’s like Ron Burgundy, he’ll say whatever his earpiece tells him to, and sign whatever is put in front of him.

            “Salute the Marines!”


          • JohnC says:

            .. and any post with ‘volcano’ or ‘solar cycle’ in it will subsequently be labelled by twitter and facebook with ‘These facts are disputed’ in red and the poster’s account will be suspended.


    • callinson says:

      I’m inclined to think it is not so much how educated you are as when you were educated to indicate how susceptible you are to the climate scam. If you went to school in the days of education rather than propaganda, you are more likely to be immune.


      • Seppers says:

        But if it’s a scam why are most climate scientists involved?
        This is an area I won’t criticise the bbc on, because unless all the scientific community is in on a massive conspiracy I have to trust them.
        Also, I think we do need to reduce pollution anyway.
        My issue with the bbc on this is that they support XR, which are just using environment issues for other purposes imo.
        Also, some unemotive serious scientific discussion/debate on the subject would be good (without preconceived agenda).


    • Blackwell says:


      ‘The most profound socio-demographic driver of belief in the climate emergency and climate action is a person’s educational background. There were consistently very high levels of
      demand for climate action among people with post-secondary education in all countries, ranging from LDCs, such as Bhutan and the Democratic Republic of the Congo (both 82%), to
      wealthy countries like France (87%) and Japan (82%)’.

      ‘Young people (under 18) are more likely to believe climate change is a global emergency than other age groups, but a substantial majority of older people still agreed with them.
      Nearly 70% of under-18s said that climate change is a global emergency, compared to 65% of those aged 18-35, 66% aged 36-59 and 58% of those aged over 60.’

      Public Belief in the Climate Emergency, by Country:

      Top 5:

      UK: 81%
      Italy: 81%
      Japan: 79%
      France: 77%
      Germany: 77%

      Bottom 5:

      Moldova: 50%
      Sri Lanka: 55%
      Argentina: 58%
      Equador: 58%
      Kyrgyz Republic: 59%


      • NCBBC says:

        What this shows is the appalling fall in education standards in the last 30 years. Even the hardest of the disciplines- viz STEM/Engineering have fallen.


  6. Guest Who says:

    Meanwhile, something for blonde not on blonde for reasons of professional courtesy. Marianna will have Katty’s back.


    Very Christian of her.

    And finally, the funnest until last.

    If you are to be be filleted, you do not want to be filleted by Craig. Wendy sees himself as a rapier, duelling with the forces of BBC criticism evil like Zorro. And whacking him on the tush with a broad sword… well, he seems to like it.

    But here… here he is the Black Knight after being served up by a sushi chef.


    Craig quickly found in the bbc what a bbc fact checker said he could not be expected to, and has served it up cold.

    Very cold.

    Along with a nice side order on what ‘facts’ the bbc find where, and deploy why.

    Good try, Wendy.


  7. JohnC says:

    Just looking at the other newspaper front pages the BBC choose to show us.
    The ‘i’ Lefty rag has pictures of 66 victims of the virus. In a country with a population of about 80% white, it looks to me like they show 36% of the pictures as white. And in a country with 3% black people, they show 22% of the pictures as black. The remaining 42% are the non-white people from the other 7% of the population.
    Seems the Left think white lives are less important than everyone else.


  8. Guest Who says:

    The US BBC, I believe.


    • Guest Who says:

      Meanwhile, likely not across every bbc platform, especially the ‘comedy’ channels and Ceebeebies.

      Nish back yet teaching history?


      • JohnC says:

        I remember the headlines after Trump stumbled going down some steps. This guy is simply not all there.
        Wonder if this will get the same treatment by the BBC or if the new Spitting Image will blow it out of proportion.


        • Fedup2 says:

          Certainly makes Ronnie Reagan look like a sharp pencil .

          It can only be a matter of time before he stands in front of the press or public and shows his condition – which is part of the plan …..


          • Up2snuff says:

            Fed, I liked Tucker’s joke that he started his recent show with on Fox News. “There have already been concerns about the President’s ageing and that it now takes him an hour and a half to watch 60 Minutes.” *

            * An hour long News Programme on a US TV Network. It might be an old joke, possibly dating back to the late Reagan era at the end of his second term. I wouldn’t want to put money on a second term for China Joe. He’s far too fragile for that.


      • Guest Who says:

        Still he’s scoring with the BBC… ‘news’:

        Visitors to the White House website can now choose gender-neutral pronouns and titles such as “Mx” and “they/them”.


        • StewGreen says:

          George Galloway 1 min video on the BBC’s 99 genders


          • Fedup2 says:

            Lovely seeing HMS Galloway doing a full Broadside at the BBC- which happily continues to overstep the mark – as described on this site …..

            I wonder if the BBC does a handout of what the 99 gender types are … the mind boggles …and as importantly what is the source of this .


      • G says:

        I’d like to see him putting his trousers on in the morning.


      • AsISeeIt says:

        Let’s hope his drone strikes are on target.


      • G.W.F. says:

        Still, he can provide vaccines for 300 Americans by the end of the summer


        • NCBBC says:

          Yikes. No wonder no one wanted to attend his rallys. To think 80 million Americans voted for this bozo. Bah.

          The election was stolen using force. It can only be undone that way. Or else America will go down, and take the world with it.


      • G.W.F. says:

        He says that there will be enough vaccines for 300 Americans by the end of the summer


        • Guest Who says:

          There are claims, unanswered, that it is spliced and fake.

          Seems now we are in a downward spiral exploited by some very dubious types before getting at truth.

          Not least Wendy’s House of Selective Checking, who will only check set ups.


      • NCBBC says:

        Cruelty to the aged and handicapped are not signs of a good society.


  9. Sluff says:

    Slit your wrists gutter journalism from the BBC for the last 24 hours.
    100,000 covid deaths and boy are they going to make sure we wallow in the misery, as a succession of sob stories are unfolded to ‘entertain, educate, and inform’ us. The government got a lot wrong, no question. So investigate impartially. Cut out the endless sob stories which tell us absolutely nothing.

    Still at it on Toady this morning. Two ‘Professors’ were wheeled on to tell us where the government went wrong. Literally everything and everything imaginable is the government’s fault. Yet the solution seems to be even more state control.. It sounded like they would next advocate the collectivisation of farm production, so Maoist was the focus on the goodness of The State. Meanwhile in a prolongued piece, two medics described in detail how their father died.

    I don’t need lessons on this thank you. Been there. Done that. Got the T shirt. Actually got several. Covid or non-covid, it’s not nice. It’s horrible. But neither is cancer. Or paralysing strokes. Or dementia. He said, knowingly. The deceit that covid deaths are worse that any other types of death for sufferers and their families is crass, insensitive, and wrong-headed. Grief porn is an apt description.

    The BBC. World class in gutter journalism.


  10. Fedup2 says:

    The BBC website is joining in by asking for details of covid dead with a picture and comment – presumably to lay the ‘blame ‘ at the feet of the PM individually .

    There have bern plenty of mistakes – planning – PPE – lack of border control – but with 25% of deaths being in Care Homes the obvious place to start is there .

    I believe the NHS dumped elderly people with or without covid tests back into care homes and rehab centres thus spreading infection and death .


    • Deborah says:

      Fedup, no doubt many mistakes are the governments but how many are because they listen to the advice of their civil servants.
      There are people in the NHS employed to procure PPE . I wonder how many and what they are paid. I didn’t expect the Minister himself to walk down the aisles in the warehouses to check whether stuff was in date. Pre covid I wouldn’t have expected the Health Minister to even wonder if PPE even went out of date. And I can imagine Sir Humphrey advising the Minister if a disposable glove was 1 month out of date and was worn by a nurse who later tested positive (never mind that she had caught covid on a day trip to Bournemouth) that the NHS could be seen to be liable and with the support of the unions, the nurse would now be suing the NHS.


      • Fedup2 says:

        Deborah – the pandemic exercise held a year or two before the real job should have dealt with the shortcomings actually experienced . That exercise must be made public to those responsible can be held accountable .


    • Blackwell says:


      I thought it was quite moving, it puts a name and face to a statistic. Do you really think this is something a UK public service broadcaster should NOT do?


  11. G says:

    I sat in my armchair with a mug of tea and decided to tune in to Twato. Can’t say I’ve missed it for a week/10 days. Arrived in the midst of what must be ‘The’ daily interrogation with the Government’s dealing with Covid. I was spot on. The leading female hyena was attempting to sink her teeth into the elusive Genrick quarry over every Government failing connceivable. Good to see that the BBC are keeping their Marxist ‘Critical Theory’ up to date and well polished. But then, I heard Genrick say to the hyena, “I’ve got a pad and pencil here, tell me what you believe should happen in your World and I’ll tell you likely why we’ve both considered and dismissed it as being unworkable. And further since the BBC engage a, ‘Guest Editor’ from time to time, I’d like to invite you to our offices to discuss some of your suggestions with some of our Civil Servants and put them into practice’
    Woke up with a jolt! Spilt tea. I’d nodded off into a brief dreamland. Silly me.
    Anyway, thought you’d like to know:
    “….However, it may be hard to spot the difference between a male and a female of the spotted hyena for those who are not familiar with their reproductive system. The spotted female hyena is larger than the male and their genitalia looks almost like that of the male.” Well, who would have known…………When you see her on the screen next time, you can ponder.



    • Fedup2 says:

      G what was the response when Genrick took her on ?


      • G says:

        He just kept talking, on and on. Try as she might (poor dear) she just couldn’t talk over him despite the obvious raised volume from the control panel.


  12. Fedup2 says:

    Comments by Sopel about the arrival of a new News TV station have got a bit of attention . His premise goes that there is no need for another station ‘because the BBC has got it about right “.

    Various responses have ranged from ‘he really believes that ‘ or ‘he is frightened of better competition ‘ or ‘just deluded’.

    I would have thought any journo would welcome a new player – it is an opportunity to prove superiority as well as – more importantly – better jobs for journos …

    I settle for ‘deluded’. Mr Sopel knows he is right and others are just simple misguided folk who need to be better informed – like him.

    Linking journos to the coming 10 airport lockdowns – I hope this is going to apply to everyone – journos – flight crew – diplomats – because the ‘old ‘ 14 day / 10 day house arrest didn’t .
    That angered me – the presumption that these groups couldn’t spread the virus is just ludicrous . Maybe BBC journos are quietly being vaccinated ….


  13. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #1 – Mishal is dominant, isn’t she?

    But JustRemainIn Webb did the first interview after 7 a.m. News with John Ashworth (Lab), Shadow Secretary of State (SSoS) for Health who was obvious a bit emotional. Justin was far too polite to ask John if he was ‘tired and emotional’? Mishal was saving herself to put the thumb screws on Robert Jenrick (Con) SoS for Local Communities at 8.10 a.m..

    It was all about 100,000 deaths today, the tragic toll of Covid plus all the seasonal sicknesses plus the suicides and the avoiding-NHS-infection-die-at-home-from-heart-attack type deaths. All the Conservative Government’s fault, according to John (Labour) Ashworth. “MR-D: Well, he would say that, wouldn’t he?” To be fair to Justin, he did push back and asked firmly at two or three points “What did you say at the time” and “What was/would have been Labour’s Policy?” and of course Ashworth was caught.

    However, I had an inkling that Justin – of all BBC TOADY Presenters apart from Simon Jack who does it on a temporary ‘fill-in’ basis – ought to know to question that 100,000 deaths statistic. Why? Justin Webb’s first degree was at the London School of Economics. (LSE) I’m pretty certain that the LSE would teach its students ‘Always interrogate the numbers.’ Justin accepts the 100,000 figure without question. If only the BBC would accept all that was said by Brexiteers or the Conservative Government without question!

    That’ll be the day!


  14. brexiteerkent says:

    Look at how the BBC tries to twist and hide bad EU news . The incompetence and delays caused by EU beurocracy bumbling and indecision about ordering vaccine leading to their vaccine delays.

    Not that I like to praise sky news but for once sky have it right ; headline is’ EU vaccine late because EU were 3 months later than UK in ordering it ..’

    Whereas BBC version of same story , headline is ‘ astra zeneca defends vaccine roll out’ and in the BBC article, the cause, the EU being 3 months late to order it,is hidden lower down the article and downplayed +++

    Your impartial BBC as ever ..


    • brexiteerkent says:

      Sky have now changed the article and hidden the 3 month EU delay bit as well in the same way BBC did. Thought it was odd that sky didn’t do that earlier as sky just as bad as BBC usually.


    • Seppers says:

      Yes, but have a look at the comments.


  15. Tabs says:

    BBC are linking this article from the BBC News homepage

    Five ways to manage your wellbeing as a parent during lockdown


    Five photos in the article:
    1. White male (bearded of course) and white daughter and baby
    2. Black woman
    3. White woman
    4. Black Mother and son
    5. Black father and son

    So 4 whites and 5 blacks representing the UK population perfectly!


    • JohnC says:

      At least they got the black single-parent families in the right proportion.
      Dad looks like he is on a weekend visit.
      If you want to throw up in your cornflakes, go read Getty’s statement on BLM. They even use capital B for black and small w for white. Which is – of course – racist.


    • digg says:

      Hi Tabs, I reported yesterday on getting a covid jab. Your comment reminded me of the nice colourful advice leaflet I was given before I left.

      It has a montage of face pics across the top, all smiling presumably designed to show us that everyone is onboard with this.

      As per your comment I did a quick count.

      White Male 1
      White Female 4
      Black Male 3
      Black Female 4
      Black Child 1
      …and what seems like one Jewish chappie!

      The simple fact is that every marketing department and every graphic design studio is now full of young creatives who have been instructed to do this by their lecturers in the good old name of diversity. This is why all the TV commercials are crammed with this message too.


  16. Tabs says:

    At least she is now admitting the BBC misinform us and will do so for the next year!


    • Guest Who says:

      She is even bigging up the ‘expertise’ of her fellow misinformer.

      This one.



      • Guest Who says:

        Feeling the love?


        • Guest Who says:

          Not many engagements, as such, outside the adjacent cubicles.


        • Garry Lavin says:

          They have totally missed the point haven’t they!
          Fake News has been talked about on alternative media since Benghazi, Trumps nomination and the Munch New Year’s Eve sexual assaults. It refers to mainstream news misrepresenting events.

          The BBC, slow as ever, didn’t cotton on till a couple of years ago. Now they’ve appropriated the concept


      • G says:

        “Get in touch if you or someone you know has been impacted by online conspiracy theories and falsehoods!”

        I’ll sure do that to explain why I ditched the lying BBC tv some years ago for their online conspiracy theories and falsehoods…………


  17. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY Watch #2 – that is interesting, Sir Michael

    Another interesting interview took place before the 8 a.m. News. Sir Michael Marmot was on with another female contributor, a Scot whose name I have forgotten – sorry. The interesting gem to drop out from that interview is that Sir Michael knows there is going to be another Pandemic. He was quite definite about it. ‘You heard it here first’ as they say.


  18. andyjsnape says:

    On this “report” you can even search for the name of the person who died!


    Surely another day closer to closing it down!


  19. Jeff says:

    I don’t listen the the Beeb anymore, it’s verboten in Jeff’s house, but I did, unfortunately, catch the news on Classic FM this morning.

    The funerial voice announced the truly shocking mortality figures connected to covid, “!00,000” he said… “and still rising…” Um, well yes, what were you expecting them to do? Tomorrow morning “Hey, brilliant news, the covid death toll is down to only 98,000. Keep it up guys!”

    On a personal note, an elderly uncle of mine died yesterday morning. He’d been a policeman all his working life and was one of the old school. Far more like “Life on Mars” than the bleeding pansies we saw kneeling to BLM. Christ, he’d never have done that in a million years…

    He’d been ill for some time with Parkinson’s Disease, was housebound and last year had been diagnosed with bowel cancer. He stubbornly refused an operation saying, “They’re not cutting me about.” He wouldn’t go into a hospice, so was cared for by his two daughters, who visited daily and a bevvy of paid carers. He wanted to die in his own home…and who could blame him?

    During December he and one of my cousins contracted the dreaded covid. My cousin thinks one of the carers gave it to them, but who knows. She described the illness as being very similar to the flu. Feeling really ill, aching all over, no sense of taste or smell.” Awful” she said.

    Obviously this was a lot more serious for my elderly uncle, 82, and suffering from Parkinson’s Disease and terminal cancer. He eventually succumbed during the early hours of yesterday morning.

    I just wonder what they’re going to put on his death certificate…


    • NameNotNumber says:

      Jeff, I wonder too about the death certificate of an old man who died at local care home – I know members of staff. He was being cared for as an end of life resident but that didn’t stop the vaccination team. He died within two or three hours of being given the jab.


    • JimS says:

      “” Um, well yes, what were you expecting them to do? Tomorrow morning “Hey, brilliant news, the covid death toll is down to only 98,000. Keep it up guys!””

      Seems to work like that for presidential elections.


  20. Guest Who says:

    In which BBC wagon circling is led by a train leader already halfway down the cliff face.

    Nice hair though. Pelosiesque.


  21. Zelazek says:

    Holocaust Memorial Day and I heard somebody on Toady spouting the usual claptrap about how the lesson of the holocaust is that we need to learn tolerance and compassion.

    The harsh lesson Jews learned from the holocaust was that a host’s tolerance is not guaranteed and their compassion cannot be relied upon. Jews finally realised that they needed to live in a country of their own.

    Homogeneous societies are safe societies for a people.


    • JimS says:

      I don’t want to fuel anti-semitism but there are plenty of Jews driving the self-loathing, globalism of today.

      There are a lot of Jews that are a lot better than most people but unfortunately Jews have their share of the bad too.

      Holocaust Memorial Day is a sham, classic ‘virtue signalling’. Given changed circumstances most of us would be ‘camp guards’. Look at what is going on now, who has ‘the truth’? At what point does it become obvious? When does one stop ‘going along’?

      Imagine that you had been a railway shunter in 1940’s Germany. Wouldn’t you have carried on doing your job? I think I would have been lifting couplings alongside you.


      • Blackwell says:

        ‘Holocaust Memorial Day is a sham, classic ‘virtue signalling’. Given changed circumstances most of us would be ‘camp guards’…Imagine that you had been a railway shunter in 1940’s Germany. Wouldn’t you have carried on doing your job? I think I would have been lifting couplings alongside you.’

        No, I wouldn’t.

        I suppose it shouldn’t surprise me to see that quite a few here would.


        • JimS says:

          So there you are, working on the German railways, shunting goods wagons, just like you have been doing for the previous ten years. The money that it brings in keeps your wife and children in food and shelter.

          Then perhaps you notice that more and more cattle wagons are coming through the yard. Well Germany is hungry, perhaps more cows are going to market? It might take a few months before the rumours come back to you, 200 miles away from the concentration camps. Perhaps someone notices a discarded rag doll or two in one of the returning wagons?

          Eventually you think you have arrived at the truth, not that you have ever been near a concentration camp, they are 200 miles away after all. So, being an exceptional person, you decide you aren’t going to ‘go along’ with what everyone else in your goods yard is doing and you decide to quit.

          Slight problem. Railway shunter is a reserved occupation, now that you aren’t a shunter you are served with call-up papers, rushed through military training and in a few weeks find your extremities dropping off on the Eastern Front, or, if you are lucky, working on the military railway in Auschwitz. Obey or be shot.

          And no, thinking that the BBC shows bias doesn’t make one a nazi.


    • Guest Who says:


      Also of historical note is hope for a society based on democratic principles and free speech but with guns and prepared to use them is around.

      And avoid more than one front, when losing.

      Eh, Danny?


    • Fedup2 says:

      Zelatek – thank you for reminding about the date – I apologise for not mentioning it in the pre amble but have remedied that a bit .
      I’ve read and seen plenty about what the Germans did – and by closing their eyes allowed to happen . I worry that in this time of worsening censorship and control the ingredients are there again .


    • R P McMurphy says:

      As always a bag is packed and ready.


  22. Mustapha Sheikup al-Beebi says:

    I listened to R4’s “More or Less” (09:02-09:30) with Tim Harford. It was good, with its qualifications and caveats about the statistics used in news about Covid deaths in the UK or reports on drug-related deaths in Scotland. It’s a pity that these caveats don’t make it out into the main news and narratives more often.

    Another thing that annoyed me a little (not bias, admittedly) was the repetition of the show’s name and presenter. This slot is less than 30 min’s and is not a long magazine-type programme such as ‘PM’, or ‘Today’ which you might come across during the 2.5 hrs that it runs.

    The programme was introduced after the news at 09:00 by the continuity person. Tim Harford then reminded us that it was “More or Less with me, Tim Harford” at around 09:10, and did so again a bit before 09:20! I didn’t catch a part of it towards the end, when he gave the e-mail for anyone wishing to submit ideas for future editions, and said they would be back next week.

    I don’t think this repetition is necessary and it wastes time, which is a pity, as the content was good. There’s no need to try to make the programme sound like something that it isn’t.


    • JimS says:

      I think Tim Harrford does it to pretend that he is independent and impartial.

      Someone gets to choose the items, so while they might honestly attempt to be fair in their treatment the bias can be there before they even start.

      That said they probably do more to do feedback on BBC reporting than Fedback ever did.


  23. dafydd says:

    100,000 dead, shocking yes, upsetting yes, avoidable no.

    BBC continually refers to the wonderful job Australia and New Zealand did..

    Fact..New Zealand population 4.9 million who’s land mass is slightly bigger than ours

    Fact..Australia’s population 25.3 millions who’s land mass is 4.1 times bigger than UK’s

    UK..67 million crammed onto a small land mass…

    What in God name did people expect.. How we have kept it down to 100,000 is a result.

    The BBC and other media outlets can pontificate as much as they want but what did they expect.

    Please please please no one on here tell me that any other party would have done better..

    All i heard on the BBC was one Labour politician after the other say how sodding righteous they are and how much better thing would be under the guidance. You could see the BBC presenters nodding and agreeing.

    The BBC digging up statistics as far back as the 2nd World War and comparing the death figures then to now.

    The BBC interviewing relatives of people who have died with sad music playing in the background and then panning back to the studio with the presenters almost having a breakdown with grief, it nearly made me puke.

    From day one the BBC have politicised this pandemic and done it with relish..

    As far as i am concerned this is a new shocking low for the BBC.


    • digg says:

      Yep BBC TV lasted all of 15 seconds for me this morning…


    • Fedup2 says:

      Very simple – there is no comparison with either NZ or Australia with the UK – I’ve worked in both countries – both city and country and it just doesn’t compare . The BBC use NZ for the mad wokeness .


    • Jeff says:

      Yes, comparing an overcrowded, economic hub, like Britain with New Zealand is just plainly ludicrous.

      New Zealand have more sheep than people and no-one goes there. There are more people commuting daily (pre lockdown) in London, than live in the whole of NZ. It’s essentially a bloody huge farm.

      Still, the BBC were never going to let a few facts ruin their poisonous narrative…


  24. StewGreen says:

    The emotional blackmail game
    ..of reading out names
    + Radio4 special video tribute tweets


  25. Seppers says:

    Looking at the bbc front page (news website).

    Now, I’m in favour of measures to control the spread of the virus, and am not against the lockdown, etc. So I’m generally with the bbc on that.
    But the leading article blaming the government for everything that has happened (citing ‘scientists’) seems to me to be a clear breach of their charter.
    I thought the govt was following scientific advice? This article is basically a Labour critique of the government with the opinions of some scientists thrown in.
    If they want to report what these scientists think they can do that transparently and state it as being their opinion. I even agree with some of it, and think the govt has got some things wrong, but the bbc bias is unacceptable; we should just have facts and make up our own minds.


  26. StewGreen says:

    Views from the darkside

    Actually I’ve started listening to Times Radio and I really like it
    .. makes @BBCRadio4 seem like Fox news in comparison
    .. listened to a whole feature about brexit without one swivel eyed Farage type or shouty market vox pop person..


    • Doublethinker says:

      I haven’t listened to Times radio but certainly on Brexit and the EU it is bound to be biased as the parent newspaper was Remainer central and I’m sure is now continuity rejoin. I cancelled my subscription to it last November after 35 years.


  27. Guest Who says:

    Femi, not featured as much any more, reaches out to TV producers using trigger terms they need to feed anchors.


    • Guest Who says:

      Not a journalist.

      Not even subjectively.

      An activist stirrer cynically deployed for #1degreeofseparationpuposes.


      • Guest Who says:

        Femi giving Lewis something to RT.


        • Guest Who says:

          Lewis giving Femi something for BS to RT.

          The very definition of circle jerk. Or should be.


          • Guest Who says:

            All at it.

            Every, Single. One.


  28. AnneG says:

    A friend told me yesterday that he had read a piece about someone asked a leading bookmaker what odds on Biden still being President in six months. After a call back they refused to take any bet.
    Not being a betting person, is this likely to be true.
    Sorry it’s a bit off subject, but it would be interesting if true.


  29. StewGreen says:

    8:05pm Wed : World Service prog
    In the Arctic circle efforts are underway to save whole towns from remorseless Climate Change


  30. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    The eu have ordered a shipment of the Dominion vote counters for the Italians as they want to make sure Salvini doesn’t get the votes to win what will undoubtedly be a free and fair election, just like the USA one.


  31. Dover Sentry says:

    So says David Mitchell, who has a contract with the BBC and writes in The Guardian.

    “Perhaps I’m biased but I really do think the BBC is impartial”
    David Mitchell


    This is corruption. Same with Hislop. The BBC pays them a regular salary (probably pensionable in Hislop’s case) and therefore ‘buys’ their loyalty.



    • Doublethinker says:

      If it’s in the guardian then everyone who reads it , mostly bbc employees, will all agree that the BBC is impartial, centrist and a model of honest , objective , truthful reporting, with moral rectitude coming out of every orifice.
      Nearly everyone who doesn’t read the guardian knows that the exact opposite is true.


    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      Yes, I think if, like Hislop and Mitchell, the BBC paid me a six figure salary to take part in a “spontaneous”, but actually scripted in advance panel show, I think I would have the common decency to say some nice things about it. For a quarter of a million quid I might even be tempted to say a few kind words about the EU!


  32. StewGreen says:

    Clive Myrie is annoyed about the article Tuesday’s article by Allison Pearson’s about his doommongering.



  33. Up2snuff says:

    BBC WEB-SITE Watch #1 – oh ho ho – so-that is why the BBC went so quiet on it


    Anthony Zurcher does not mention that there are legal doubts about the standing of Impeachment. One is that the Seal of Office goes with the new President. There are doubts about whether Impeachment is a valid process for an out of office, former President.

    Anthony Zurcher also doesn’t mention the other reasons why the Democrats probably delayed the Impeachment. There is the simple thing that Democrats have what they want – their man in office – and their hearts are not in it, the Impeachment process, any more. They are too busy doing what they want to do, getting their program in place. In addition, it is handy to have the spectre of a future Donald Trump presidential campaign lurking out there to stimulate their own people plus any opposition to Donald Trump among the Republicans into opposing Trump in 2023. They now need DJT as a boogeyman for the future.

    The vote needed to be held the first day that the Senate sat in session, on the Monday before the inauguration. It is now open to legal challenge, let alone the careful consideration of actual evidence that may cause (honest) Democrats (yes there are some – and possibly lawyers, too!) to vote against Impeachment.

    Pelosi has a problem.


    • Emmanuel Goldstein says:


      You’re right, the dems need The Donald.
      He will probably split the Republican vote between proper Republicans and the ones who are really woke dems, a bit like many of our tories.

      Maybe these false Republicans can do what our wets did and form another Party.

      I’ve already forgotten what they called themselves so that’s how successful they were.


    • Blackwell says:

      ‘Anthony Zurcher does not mention that there are legal doubts about the standing of Impeachment. ‘

      From the article:

      ‘Tuesday’s vote shows there are definitely only five who even want to consider the evidence – Mitt Romney, Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins, Ben Sasse and Pat Toomey.

      The rest contend that presidents can’t face impeachment trials once they’ve left office.

      “My vote today to dismiss the article of impeachment is based on the fact that impeachment was designed to remove an officeholder from public office,” Senator Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia said in a statement released after the vote. “The Constitution does not give Congress the power to impeach a private citizen.”

      The article also includes a clip of half a dozen Republicans in Congress arguing for or against impeachment.

      ‘There are doubts about whether Impeachment is a valid process for an out of office, former President.’

      Of course, any old horseshit arguments will do today’s Republicans.

      The sanction for impeachment is either removal from office or disqualification from holding any federal office in the future.

      In 1886, Senate impeachment managers argued that departing office doesn’t excuse the alleged offense — otherwise, officeholders would simply resign to escape conviction or impeachment.

      Secretary of War William Belknap was impeached over corruption charges and resigned before the Senate could deliver a verdict. They continued the trial, even though he had left office and was a private citizen. This is precedent.

      ‘They now need DJT as a boogeyman for the future.’

      If the Senate, with the votes of 17 odd Republicans, convicted Trump, then he would be disqualified from running in 2024 (I wouldn’t be surprised if he did try to run in 2023 as you suggest, that would be amusing).

      ‘The vote needed to be held the first day that the Senate sat in session, on the Monday before the inauguration’.

      It is presented to the Senate in the form of a trial, I suspect Republicans and others would’ve objected if the case took one day.

      Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell rejected Democratic calls for a quick trial in what was then a Republican-led chamber, saying there was no way to finish it before Trump left office. Now they say it’s too late because he’s left office.

      Biden also needs to confirm his cabinet etc.

      ‘It is now open to legal challenge’,

      Many Republicans are looking for an out, and are jumping on what they can argue is a technicality. I’m sure I recall recently hearing the bemoaning of courts which throw out cases on ‘technicalities’ before even looking at the merits??

      ‘let alone the careful consideration of actual evidence…’

      Bit late for that after just arguing that it should’ve been rushed through the Senate in one day. Why not take a ‘careful consideration of actual evidence’, and then disqualify him from holding office again if found guilty?


  34. Tabs says:

    The BBC celebration of 100,000 deaths is not only sick but it doesn’t get questioned whether the 100,000 figure is accurate.

    I cannot find the official excess deaths for the whole of 2020 but on the 15th December the excess deaths was 71,000.

    Even the FT is taking the 100,000 deaths “with covid” and claiming that is 100,000 excess deaths which it is not.

    Best estimates I can find are 82,000 excess deaths for the whole of 2020 which is 11% up on the previous 5 years. Listing the ‘deaths with covid’ is about as much use as counting ‘deaths with brown shoes’.


    • Deborah says:

      As I posted a few days ago, a lady that works for me, told me that because her Mum had died in a room in hospital where the previous occupant had covid, the nurse had told her covid would have to go on the death certificate.

      I blame Tony Blair and his government. I watched as they encouraged figures to be manipulated. I don’t believe Boris or his government who want any more covid deaths. But I believe there is a civil service and NHS unions who would love to bring down this government and if in doubt about a death add it to the certificate.

      I know this is a BBC bias site, so I will add that the BBC are much entwined with unions and NHS leaders, and the emoting of Clive Myrie and Mark Easton is there to move the general population to believe every covid death is the fault of Boris.


      • Emmanuel Goldstein says:


        I think they get some kind of payment if they can get covid mentioned on the death certificate.
        It’s almost as if they were encouraging them so that the numbers are kept as high as possible.

        The current bogeyman (new strains scares) has a limited scare impact and they need to keep us frightened until they can think up another reason to control us.

        Also, I’d like to second something Digg commented on on an earlier post about the actual centres and how they are getting the vaccinations done.
        They are a credit to the nhs and are doing a first class job in their vaccination centres. Well done to them.


    • Emmanuel Goldstein says:

      Whatever the numbers are, it’s not surprising given the population density in England, one of the most overcrowded/overpopulated Countries in the World.

      Enrichment works in so many ways.


  35. StewGreen says:

    More Or Less began with Spiegelhalter the UK’s top medical statistician calling out Alice Roberts for her unscientific tweet
    She should know that the daily death tally is subject to bulking due to things like weekend deaths all coming in at once.
    The actual number of deaths on a day is lower from peaks newspapers shout about.

    Yet forty thousand people liked her wrong tweet
    and almost all the retweets praise her.
    That is the world we live in
    Where info which carries the narrative certain dogma groups want to hear, is prized more highly than info which is BASED

    Roberts followers replies shouted “look the government isn’t following science ”
    at the same time they themselves were praising Roberts’ unscientific tweet.

    It is such a common thing to see in science communities
    that as the same time as shouting that they are superior and have “science”
    they so often don’t apply scientific principles.


    • StewGreen says:

      @NigelUNI tweets
      I wish more people would listen to this person and others like her

      What’s his bio ?
      Global Union Organiser, Communist, Antifa, LUFC,
      Father of 3, Yorkshireman – Scouse tendencies.
      Flag of Palestinian Territories Raised fist #BlackLivesMatter


    • G says:


      “Where info which carries the narrative certain dogma groups want to hear, is prized more highly than info which is BASED”

      Who would have predicted that “Social Media” would have that disastrous affect when it started.


      • StewGreen says:

        @G No I disagree, the effect is not new
        rather social media means we can expose it.


    • StewGreen says:

      Instead of apologising Alice goes for whataboutery
      ‘whatabout the 100K death day’
      (I don’t know if her claim for Jan 7th is correct,
      The recent 100K tally is only England and Wales
      “Ed Conway said according to the ONS figures there had been a total of 107,907 deaths across the four nations.”)

      Bottomline the 100K is just a PR day
      It doesn’t reflect Health Impact, raw death tallies don’t do that.


  36. Guest Who says:

    Matt, Roger and Justin being the Three Hypers of the Apocalyspe.


    Have Wendy and Co. ever checked such BBC efforts?


  37. Doublethinker says:

    I watched a BBC documentary made in 2007 on You Tube yesterday about the 1936 abdication crisis. There some fascinating parallels to today which I think would perhaps upset those who made it.
    The basic argument was that this caring monarch , who loved his people and was in turn loved by them, and demanded that ‘something must be done to help them’ , was feared and loathed by the establishment of the day and that these power brokers conspired to get rid of him using his wish to marry Mrs Simpson as the excuse. Thousands of ordinary folks demonstrated outside Buchingham Palace urging him to marry her if he wanted to but not to abdicate. They felt that he was their only voice, the only one who cared about them. In 2007 the BBC was predictably all for the King and against Baldwin et al.

    I couldn’t help noticing the similarities between Edward and his people and Trump and his , and both of their oustings by the establishment . Of course the views and values of the establishment of the day have changed over the past eighty years are now almost polar opposites , but the reaction of an establishment to a threat to its power and wealth remains exactly the same.
    The role of the BBC in the abdication crisis wasn’t mentioned but we know their role in the illegal removal of a President Trump.


    • Beltane says:

      There’s no doubt we’d live in a very different world if Edward VIII had reigned. On the surface of things he was as you say, very much a king for all, a man of the people – but he and the reptilian Wallis were also smitten by Adolf, so that very different world probably would not include the sort of benefits we enjoy, such as Biased BBC.
      Then again, the EU wouldn’t exist either, so maybe Eddie had a point.


  38. Guest Who says:

    None more so in the UK via BBC-funded ‘Democracy Reporters’ who have killed the struggling titles who served communities interested and fetes and school events, but now promote XR protests and US elections.


  39. Guest Who says:

    I follow a bunch of organisations, many of whom think following translates into support.

    This outfit I took an interest in because they stay abreast of another useless quango, the ICO. I took an interest in them as they are supposed to stay on top of the DPA aspect of FOIs, which OFCOM, another useless quango, do not, especially when it comes to the BBC, which is so powerful it can claim exemption at will where even state organs of security can be relentless hounded… by the BBC.

    So this came up and set me thinking…

    Maybe all these useless quangos are actually simply staffed by ideological civil servants to have each other’s backs and stir the poo for hapless elected types none of them can control as well as the ones they want in?


    • JimS says:

      I thought that it is a general principle of English Common Law that if something isn’t illegal then it is legal?

      I don’t understand what these two are talking about but the interviewer is wrong in his assumption, unless the act of collecting data specifically of that form is illegal. The interviewee avoided saying expicitly that what had been done was illegal.


  40. digg says:

    Seems like yet another woke stuffed quango is up to tricks to rewrite history.

    The Imperial war Museum are changing the way they depict the Holocaust and how it is understood….


    A read through the piece seems to suggest that they want to shift the blame away from the Germans in particular and make all Europeans jointly responsible…

    “The Holocaust has become defined by centralised “tropes” – Auschwitz, trains, people being selected left and right on ramps, anonymous piles of shoes. Yet the majority of those murdered weren’t selected like that, except at Auschwitz. It happened because of European rail networks, collaboration between different people and organisations and businesses across Europe working together”


    “That’s not how it really was. Holocaust museums for years have been asking visitors: ‘Beware the Holocaust because you could have been a victim.’ I suppose we are thinking: ‘Beware the Holocaust because you could have been a perpetrator.’”

    Here we bloody well go again… Can’t wait until they implicate Churchill somehow.

    Mr Bulgin, Hitler and his cronies were crazy zealots who hated the Jews, wanted to establish a pure racial motherland and went about setting up a ruthless and efficient way of eliminating them while they had the chance by setting up killing factories to dispose of them.

    There I’ve done it for you!


    • Guest Who says:


      In the Graun?

      Are museum employees civservs on furlough?

      If so, after The British Library’s little woke stunt, be careful my lovelies.

      Money will be tighter still soon.


    • tomo says:

      Were the IWM involved in the Photoshopping of Churchill’s cigar?


  41. Guest Who says:

    Tragic. Full puffer jacket too.

    No word on promising nature of football or medical studies ambitions. Maybe BBC local news?


    • JohnC says:

      I can’t understand it. All these good people of colour getting stabbed by other people of colour for no reason at all.


  42. Beltane says:

    Continuing the ‘Disgrace of the 100,000’ theme I’d be surprised if that nice professor Ferguson doesn’t get a mention on the news after his latest ‘Fewer lives lost of Boris had acted sooner…’ piece in the Mirror.
    Of course, it’s true, with hindsight, but then so it would be if there we’d started with a far smaller number of people standing shoulder to shoulder on this little island and far fewer of them didn’t live on take-aways, lager and fags with microwave and TV button pushing as exercise.
    The ludicrous comparisons with New Zealand always overlook the fact that a similar land mass is occupied by the equivalent to the population of Manchester.


  43. Guest Who says:


    And that banning ‘any who do not conform’ thing too, I would hazard.

    Karma is a lady dog libbies.


  44. tomo says:

    2020 was the worst

    2021 – hold my beer



  45. StewGreen says:

    Alice Roberts and libmob currently shouting
    ‘Britain should have locked the borders’



    • tomo says:

      stewgreen – if there were a case for quote mining – that’s it right there….


      + assd “ists”, “isms” +”bias” – I recall a series of statements in the USA from the grim parade of fools + tools calling DJT all sorts….

      That said – how many of the squalling twerps mention CHINA / CCP?

      – let alone offer the examples set by say HK + Taiwan?


  46. StewGreen says:

    New Zealand not only has global isolation, a lower population density, was in Summer when Covid started
    It also has few over 80s : 169,000 by 2017 stats
    Over 65s : 711K ………. (UK has 17 times more : 12 million)

    The UK has 3.2 million people over 80 ..ie 19 times more than NZ


    • tomo says:

      Saw a quote about NZ earlier – same land area as UK but population of Greater Manchester …

      = true?


      • StewGreen says:

        NZ : 5m …. Greater Manchester is 3m , but there is still sprawl beyond that
        So if you include towns like Blackburn you’d get 5m


        • Beltane says:

          Thanks Stew, I got things a bit skewed – but not much! NZ is 10% bigger than the UK but the population is still just 5m which, as you say equates to Greater Manchester and its dormitories and that still means the comparison is between one of the largest UK cities and the whole of NZ.
          As a ratio, that’s also compared with the current estimated UK pop of 65.8m – which as we know, is probably 3 or more million down on reality


  47. StewGreen says:

    Jim Davidson gets sweary as he talks about “pathetic” Piers Morgan & Susanna


    • StewGreen says:

      Morgan replied “Hi Jim,
      Always good to hear your foul-mouthed, abusive, sexist, Boris-slathering views.
      Sorry about your friend.


    • StewGreen says:

      Piers Morgan hysterically screaming about Government’s COVID failings this morning.
      This is the same man who demanded airports close in March
      but then went on holiday to Antigua
      and praised his son for attending a protest in the summer.
      He is solely intent on whipping up hatred.


  48. StewGreen says:

    Neil Oliver warns of fear of ‘cancel culture’


  49. Up2snuff says:

    TWatO Watch #1 – the feminists at the BBC are not going to like that either

    Feminism and the BBC has been hit by some bad news today. Firstly on TOADY it was revealed that a survey by the Education Policy Institute and The Prince’s Trust has found that teenage girls suffer from anxiety and depression more than teenage boys and they go onto social media which then makes them feel worse. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-55826238

    Then, on TWatO as part of Holocaust Memorial Day perhaps, the programme had a segment on the female SS Guards from Consentration Camps who escaped justice after WW2 because …. they were women. They either were pretty or they got married and changed their names, hiding away from their SS past.


  50. Fedup2 says:

    Watching the PM taking questions in Parliament – schools will not open before 8 March . Captain hind site wants all teachers and others vaccinated before then . So the PM asks what vulnerable group he wants left out of the vax programme .

    So the comrade teachers and the far left BBC have still got something to moan about .

    But I’ve got a suggestion – if it’s so important for the lovely kids to be educated – cancel the summer holidays and teach them throughout . There won’t be much overseas travel judging by vaccination levels in the likes of France and Spain …..

    … elsewhere to 14 day airport hotel lockdown measure has been announced but the minister for Stron’ statements is doin’ her gig or ( ‘i’ ) later on . Apparently every one will be subject to this lockdown . That will please air crew ….