380 Responses to Midweek Thread 7th April 2021

  1. Peter Grimes says:

    I surely don’t deserve this!

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  2. Peter Grimes says:

    Perhaps I’ll win the lottery tonight as well.

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  3. taffman says:

    “Red kite with McDonald’s cup sparks litter concerns”
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-56648701
    A free add for McDonald’s?

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    • Sluff says:

      On BBC news I heard the words ‘here’s our chief environmental correspondent’ and I was expecting the words ‘Roger Harrabin’ but instead I got ‘Justin Rowlatt’.

      Turns our our Roger is the ‘Energy and Environment Analyst’.

      Analyst? That’s a laugh right off the bat.

      But what do TWO environment ‘journalists’ actually do for their money, while their employer is so short of cash they have to hound millions of over 75s to pay the viewing poll tax?

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      • Scroblene says:

        “Turns our our Roger is the ‘Energy and Environment Analyst’.”

        Why are the awful bbbc spending a fortune on this non-job? There are plenty of well-qualified scientists out there who are the experts, we don’t need to pay for the bbc’s ‘analysis’, they should just be reporting what proper men and women do for much less money.

        As usual, the awful bbbc is trying to set itself up as an ‘advisor’ and not doing its real job of bringing news to the nation, not opinions!

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  4. G.W.F. says:

    Will the BBC condemn St Joe if he restarts Trump’s wall?
    ‘Biden now wants to RESTART construction on Trump’s border wall to ‘plug the gaps’ – with kids’ camps way over capacity and a new surge of migrants coming from Guatemala
    Joe Biden is considering restarting construction on Donald Trump’s southern border wall, DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas told border enforcement Friday
    Resumed construction would help fill ‘gaps in the wall,’ Mayorkas said
    The administration is facing a massive influx of migrants arriving at the border
    The move to resume construction would come as Biden made a big spectacle on Day One by issuing an order freezing Defense funding for the border wall
    He later officially ended the national emergency order at the border’

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9441641/Biden-wants-RESTART-construction-Trumps-border-wall-plug-gaps-DHS-head-Mayorkas-says.html?fbclid=IwAR30pbLl0FHWSDHWJMFpYd1la2iin6_GSDM8HlUr75WkIIG8oRqyvHSi67s

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    • Scroblene says:

      It appears that since the covids started to make the US uneasy, and are worse off now Mr Biden has his hand on the Zimmer, they’re running out of tomato ketchup in their versions of a greasy spoon, as nobody wants to touch a bottle that some other grubby mitts have been poking around the table!

      So they have to resort to sachets, which are really just as bad, as there’s usually a huge pile by the till, all mixed up with the usual gunk and finger-marks they encourage and most of them get lobbed later on anyway!

      Ooops, most of the tomatoes used in the US are grown in Mexico!

      (Actually, as I heard last night on R5Beeboids from Honkers, the biggest supplier of toms seems to be China, right where the Uyghurs have all those delicious plantations).

      (And as another aside, they haven’t seen the 85 tomato seedlings I have in my greenhouse at the moment – maybe I’ll get a call from Mr Cohen at Tesco…)!

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    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      It will be all right if the Democrats do it.

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  5. AsISeeIt says:

    Normal service would appear to have been resumed (as they used to say) as the Guardian once again tops the BBC online line up of newspaper frontpages.

    Although with a careful reading of the headline: ‘Keep taking jab, says PM as trial paused to investigate clot reports‘ – one has to wonder whether the hilariously amusing crew working at the Gruan was subtly calling Boris a clot and it was this naughty little gag that piqued the interest of BBC staff on the nightshift.

    Otherwise they might just as well have promoted the Times to top spot: ‘Oxford jab trial paused amid fear of blood clots‘ – I’m somewhat bemused by the logic here… surely the trial is what tests the safety of a new drug and this trial ought to be as quick and thorough as possible whilst the mass roll out ought to come later. Silly me, the layman, thinks the mass vaccination programme should be paused and the trial pushed forward – but what do I know?

    Think of the kiddies says the Telegraph: ‘Pause jabs for young until safety is “certain” says advisor‘ – well, quite.

    Vaccination of children for the old people’s killer feels like a step too far anyway.

    But safety is never “certain”. I’m not a fan of mass vax, mass demonstrations, mass immigration… mass anything, come to think of it. I seem to have a mild allergic reaction to the word mass.

    However, I’m also not an advocate of hillbilly, rednecked, superstitious, snake preaching, anti-vax either. Even though one might calculate that there’s a million to one chance an injection might leave the astoundingly unlucky millionth customer dead as a doornail. It could be you – as the National Lottery likes to say.

    We have to balance the risks and accept there’s no ideal utopian outcome.

    This tendency to stop the world for a one-in-a-million chance of a bad outcome is paralysing western society.

    From you could be the one… to she is definitely the one… ‘A date with destiny as app makes creator a billionaire‘ (Times) – this is the next in the series of liberal press-friendly female capitalist fat cats (paying added feminist dividends): ‘Whitney Wolfe Herd..‘ (She Wolfe of Wall Street, eh?), ’31…‘ (these women’s rights campaigners do have it right in some respects – why do the press always have to quote the lady’s age?) ‘created a “feminist” dating app that has 35 million users‘ – let’s point out here the phrase “feminist app” and the claim to 35m users no doubt come from our Whitney’s own advertising blurb.

    Feminist dating app – how so? Her app: ‘…allows only female users to make the first contact with a man‘ – so we envisage a sort of reverse Miss World line up where the women check how the blokes look, investigate their interests and hobbies and – let’s be honest – look for subtle clues as to their income and status – and then make contact or not.

    All of which, one would imagine, barring the possible interruption of normal social interaction that has been lockdown, any bloke of sufficient wherewithal to pass such intense female perusal, would surely do ok for himself in the real non-virtual world anyway.

    I guess it’s just symbolic of the future feminist world beckoning.

    Imagine yourself some fun-loving, soldierly, prince of a man, of not inconsiderable wealth, fame and prospects, with a good family, allowing himself to forsake his choice and initiative in the matter and instead being happy to be selected by an empowered feminist-minded woman. Harry and Meghan?

    Labour will oppose vaccine passports but SNP votes are likely to quell Tory rebellion‘ – says the Telegraph. And on that sour note, I guess it’s time oncemore to take the highroad.

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    • theisland says:

      AsISeeIt
      “Silly me, the layman, thinks the mass vaccination programme should be paused and the trial pushed forward – but what do I know?”
      That makes two of us then.
      ‘Pause jabs for young until safety is “certain” says advisor‘ – well, quite.
      I don’t want my grandchildren to have the trial vacc (not enough/nothing yet known about the long term effects for them).

      Delingpole and Mike Yeadon

      As attributed to Socrates: One thing only I know, and that is that I know nothing.

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    • Fedup2 says:

      The C4 report on the situation in Brazil was rather sobering . 3000 dead a day . Not much by way of preventive measures and a new strain hitting younger – 40 year olds – which is claimed to be more aggressive- and resistant to the current vaccines .

      Now this may be the next strand of Project Fear 2 ( the one after brexit ) – but with international air travel merrily carrying on the chance of spread is big .

      I don’t get the anti Vaxers . If the rate of infection in the UK as well as the number of deaths has dropped as numbers vaccinated increase – surely that’s a clear link .

      If 2021 does turn into a repeat of 2020 – with a resistance covid variant it could be a longer road . Hope not .

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      • The Sage says:

        The BBC loves to run anti-Brazil stories (due to president Jair Bolsonaro being right wing and being free and easy when it comes to the Wuhan flu) and state how bad things are. This seems to happen every week.
        Yet, Covid deaths per million in Brazil are 1,579 whereas in the jolly old lockdown crazy UK the comparable figure is 1,862.
        Or even set against the longest and harshest lockdown nation in Latin America, Peru, at 1,603.

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    • tarien says:

      The news appeared that the clinical trials of the A-Z vaccine in children were finally paused, just today. Which is 2-3 weeks after the blood clotting issue surfaced.
      In case it is not yet clear, this latest flip-flop from Macron and Merkel reveals the truth. The purpose of the vaccines is obviously not to protect us. The vaccine is to enrich Pharma. The vaccine passports enable much greater control over the citizenry. There may be additional agendas. But this is clearly not about our health.

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      • fakenewswatcher says:

        So much cynicism, Tarien. I happen to know Big Pharma only act in our best interests. We are their raison d’etre. I think they are ever so friendly, just like big tech. And, please don’t tell me big tech, together with big media, put the Great Joe into the WH. That would be proof you are a fan of that bad orange man.
        Give me dr Fauci any day. I mean, he probably invented the virus. Oh, so sorry, I meant to say invented the vaccine. I think big tech will soon give us eternal life, by the way, but unfortunately only in these bodies. we can all upload our brains into the clouds, with no impact on climate change. (Beeb ‘s got Greta T coming up in a special programme, I look forward to that). Anyhow, stop posting now, cos I’m eager to watch Auntie’s latest news bulletin on the u-know-what, along with live presentation from more experts that you can shake a stick at. One of them is telling me there is going to be a course change….
        And here comes Fergus W from the marvellous beeb. He has only two questions…
        Apparently there is a slight gradation in the risk, and there is a benefit in the benefit-risk analysis.
        Just as I thought…
        Sorry about this lateral flow of consciousness post, it must sound pretty confusing. So uploading my brain, kinda stuff.

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  6. Guest Who says:

    Rog, not content with campaigning to close mines and stop airports…

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  7. Guest Who says:

    Interesting where bbc staff end up.

    For every Brillo….

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  8. Guest Who says:

    BBC News… of allegations and accusations.

    Shareena Clanton alleged “multiple racist traumas” during her time on the Australian soap opera, accusing other actors of using racist slurs.

    Job done.

    What they are running on the Floyd trial is next level.

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  9. Fedup2 says:

    An amusing cut and paste from the Daily Telegraph –

    Key message – if you are over 50 – the BBC thinks you are old and doesn’t care about you – and you still pay the licence ?

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    The BBC will not make programmes aimed specifically at older viewers because their tastes are too varied, the corporation has said.

    Instead, the over-50s are urged to enjoy shows made for a “general audience”.

    The declaration contrasts starkly with the BBC’s recently published annual plan, which includes a mission to make “more young-appealing British drama and comedy, entertainment and events”.

    It is also pouring an extra £40 million into the programme budget for BBC Three, which is about to be resurrected as a terrestrial channel with a schedule “specifically aimed at audiences aged 16-34”.

    The BBC’s policy on over-50s emerged in a letter to a licence fee payer who wrote to Tim Davie, the director-general, saying that older people were poorly represented on screen.

    Mr Davie passed the letter on to the Audience Services department, which said it was replying on behalf of BBC management.

    The response said: “As you’ll appreciate, with an audience of many millions across the whole of the UK, we cannot possibly cater successfully for all individual tastes at all times, and enjoyment is a very personal matter.

    “We find that tastes in older age groups vary just as much as those in any other age range – for example, some older viewers prefer quizzes, soaps and lighter programmes whilst others prefer more cultural or factual programmes.

    “This being the case, there simply isn’t a typical programme or range of shows that would appeal specifically to older audiences, and that’s why our television channels and radio stations and the information on our website is for a general audience… we are a general broadcaster so by definition our approach has to be general and broad, so there needs to be a degree of compromise.”

    Audience research and feedback suggested that audiences are “comfortable and happy” with this approach, it added.

    In the initial letter, the viewer told Mr Davie that the BBC was taking its older viewers for granted, saying: “I’m 55, and often roll my eyes when I see the iPlayer and BBC Sounds homepages, focusing as they seem to do on encouraging younger consumers with shows aimed at them, and photos of twenty-somethings listening to programmes or podcasts.”

    They noted: “If the Corporation is keen on fairness and inclusivity, perhaps representing those who are major consumers of television would be a good place to start.”

    Julian Knight, chair of the Digital, Culture, Media and Sport select committee, criticised the BBC response.

    “It seems like a bizarre and inadequate explanation. I can understand how they [the complainant] feel because there is definitely a feeling among many people that the BBC has left them behind a bit

    “It isn’t just an age thing but a cultural thing. Parts of the country feel that – the north and the regions.

    “I am encouraged that the new director general has some idea that this is a problem but, judging by the response, it looks like many others in the organisation have a long way to go.”

    The letter emerged a day after Charlie Higson, the writer who co-starred in The Fast Show sketch programme in the 1990s, accused the corporation of stereotyping older viewers.

    He told Radio Times: “The BBC is forever tying itself in knots about the ageing demographic of its viewers, and some younger executives seem to think that us ‘old’ people only want to watch gardening programmes, re-runs of All Creatures Great and Small and documentaries about Vera Lynn. Or tanks.”

    It was announced last month that BBC Four, the BBC channel with the oldest viewership, is to become a repeats channel while money and resources are diverted to BBC Three.

    A BBC spokesperson said: “Older people are extraordinarily well served by a BBC that offers something for everyone across TV, radio and online – our aim is to reach and reflect all audiences, and more than 90% of UK adults use the BBC each week.”

    ENDS
    Nice to know the BBC is busily in self destruction mode .

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    • taffman says:

      Fedup2
      Its deliberate , the senior employees at Al Beeb want their ‘Golden’ redundancy lump sum payouts.

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      • Fedup2 says:

        Taffman
        I feel sorry for those who still pay the licence tax as they are not being well served . The BBC can never compete with Netflix or prime because of programme cost inflation but is desperately trying to put off the inevitable day .

        Every cancelled licence DD is another nail …

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    • moggie63 says:

      BBC1 and 2 are already repeat channels, why do they think we need a third?

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    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      I want to see the documentary about tanks. That’s real isn’t it? Charlie Higson didn’t just make it up, did he?

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  10. popeye says:

    Sky full of allegations of Trade Union and Labour Party shenanigans in Liverpool – a full 10 minutes at peak time. BBC? Mehh!

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  11. Fedup2 says:

    I mentioned in the last thread that Tuesday nights C4 was vintage – listening to the Toady 8am news today I recalled an error that C4 news made over deaths connected to the Oxford Astra Zeneca vaccine which the MSM clearly hates .

    C4 said that the number dead from it was 30 . But at the end of the show they corrected it to 7 . I think they wished 30 has died from it .
    Now I know of 2 cases of people dying on the way to get a vaccine . So should we stop the vaccine programme and all just wait catch the Chinese virus – seems like the MSM plan .

    Seriously – listening to the BBC news – it is alien – just far left propaganda – I’m so glad I avoid it 99% of the time now .

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    • Dobyns says:

      Fedup2,

      Whether one agrees with vaccination or not, The Big Lie carries on

      There’s been 7 blood clot deaths out of 18.1MM AZ doses in the UK … that’s one death for every 2.585 MM vaccinations.

      The odds of being struck by lightning are 1/500K.

      You’re 5+ times more likely to die from a lightning strike than a clot from a vaccination.

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  12. Guest Who says:

    5 likes so far.

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  13. Guest Who says:

    Jasmine likely has access to bbc cubicle garden ‘reporters’ who also buy £200 coats from Sam Cam.

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  14. Guest Who says:

    Careful subbing is why the BBC is ‘essential’.

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  15. Philip_2 says:

    To: BigBrotherCorporation: What are Green jobs? Now that is a question!

    I am a technical Electronics Engineer – by trade and I have no idea what ‘Green jobs’ are either!
    Some say its all about Windmills and connecting up to the (UK) power grid, irrespective of the cost and damage to the local environment (often in remote areas). Every windmill has a relatively short life and cannot be easily recycled and they are not really that ‘green’ either. And the lets look at Solar panels, they produce ‘clean’ energy the greens say, and yet ignore that many parts of the Solar panel are toxic in both construction and manufacture and are not that recyclable and only have a short life and volts dropping to 10 to 20% efficiency over its life of seven years. The popularity is linked to government subsidy (which is now zero) and vast ‘solar farms’ on an industrial is the only way to make any money (selling to the grid). So in short the ‘green jobs’ are in construction into industries that are not entirely ‘green’. Its an illusion when your power company claims to be net zero (zero CO2) by purchasing carbon credits from South America or Botswana. The fact is that we need far more energy to ‘recycle’, and it not very much ‘recycling’ is going to happen. We are moving into a two structure economy. These that know (and profit) and those that don’t. Another daft fact is that this ‘green dream’ also requires twice the amount of energy that we had before. Carbon capture is another daft ‘green’ technology requiring vast amounts of fossil fuels and ‘storage’ to pump into underground reservoirs as liquid gas and frozen. The cost? Its astronomic, but you can also call those jobs (ex mining platform up in Scotland is the NEXT master plan to pump toxic gas (so called CO2) under the North Sea using drilling rig platforms). This is Scotland’s claim to be ‘Green’. The really daft thing (as any Biology student can confirm, is that Carbon and Carbon Dioxide is a vital part of life, and you cannot have too much on planet Earth. Only in an enclosed ‘space’ such as the acclaimed ‘Greenhouse’ effect (which has been proven wrong) and yet they still claim CO2 is highly toxic.

    For the small cost of £3.99 rental (see this film: https://planetofthehumans.com) so we can now watch the film the ‘greenies’ (including BBC) tried to BAN and de-platform from all public debate.

    The Green movement is totally corrupt and taken over ‘politically’ by the left. Who think that is where the votes are. They also have no intention of ‘saving the environment’. Socialism does not create innovation. But you can make a ‘green’ illusion. And carry on Broadcasting that CO2 is a toxic gas and we are all doomed. Most of the population think we are all doomed (if we all listen to the BBC we all are doomed).
    So Green jobs (in reality) mean either unemployment or carry on with a new badge an make sure its coloured green and don’t tell the BBC. But tell them them the success they have in spotting Polar bears and gay penguins. That will keep them happy in that illusion. Unfortunately the politicians believe the BBC rather than Engineers or Scientist who are also ‘de-platformed’ for stating what is and will be a huge global con in future years. Technology will fix most things anyway, we don’t need political agitators constantly trying to score points and claim ‘credit’.

    However.

    The left have no idea on how things work. They are pig ignorant, mostly as they can afford life’s luxuries and can ignore all the consequences of it all going totally wrong and blame the technologists who will shape the new technology the UK is developing. Irrespective of Boris’s daft Windmills or even the toxic effects of electric cars are and will be ‘toxic’ for some time to come.
    The motors we are using in electric are are also ‘toxic’ using rare earth ‘heavy metals’. And this is where the UK has some future in developing motors without toxic Chinese imports, we shall have everywhere- soon.

    So green jobs there will be , just don’t expect the BBC to report that nothing is really that ‘green’. The BBC needs cheap electricity and it has to come from somewhere -including the much coomented upon NHS. Tell them its from Windmills!, they won’t know otherwise – and we can ignore them eventually. They are the rich and ignorant, we are the poor, and innovative and that’s the way of it. But ‘Green’ as in ignorant is a UK policy that we can use to make and innovate. That’s a good future to be in. I don’t believe in ‘Climate Change’ either.

    The problem is that each and every innovation the BBC thinks ‘they’ are in charge of backfires. They are not. Just political ‘tools’, all of them from something left of sinister. Well paid fools. pig-ignorant outside the drama media bubble. Totally unaware that they need CO2 to exist. Its not toxic gas and there is no climate panic. We are not all doomed as the BBC would state.

    But I do believe the Covid scare was engineered to enable ‘emergency measures’ for reasons the BBC would totally agree as a ‘climate emergency’ or ‘global reset’ as they say in DAVOS or where the billionaires hang out. I cannot say that it is totally going to plan, but they have a new agenda plan based on ‘greening’ the planet.

    That should worry us all, as what they mean by ‘green’ is another word for crackpots scientists to take charge and really cock the environment up by reducing global populations by stealth, by banning industrial processes. No private cars, No power, No Transport (without an ID card) and engineered GM food sold on a green (vegetarian) ticket. This is what they mean by ‘#Green’.

    Meanwhile the UK will do better than the EU. We innovate and speculate, although the many practical jobs will disappear when private motoring is restricted to the ‘well off’ BBC types. Our individual CO2 levels are taxed until the pips squeak. No Compost heaps, No Coal (or wood) to be sold as firewood. No Paraffin Lamps and no propane gas without a CO2 license! By that time we shall be living in a totally VIRTUAL world where even the BBC will fail to understand all the restrictions they were involved in creating. Electricity restrictions may have to be imposed and that is the current scenario and prediction from those in the Energy sector if ‘net zero’ is to be achieved by 2050.

    That means BBC TV and radio may have to be off the air when the power cuts start.

    The UK relies on Power and innovation, as an example:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/03/28/british-firm-cracks-electric-car-motor-conundrum/

    Another recent local ‘re-set’ is charging for ‘recycling’ at the local rubbish dump run. Fridges and vac cleaners for example. This will be extended to encourage re-use and repair, at the same time goods are encouraged to be ‘repairable’ , by the use of ‘repair’ shops (that you see popular on BBC prime time). The ‘Green’ economy jobs may rely on extending the life of common goods (which will be expensive, due to escalating CO2 carbon taxes in manufacture that will make some Left wing politicians Billionaires. Al Gore is one such. A big investor in Carbon Credit as ‘Green’.

    This is the big attraction for wealthy green activists, they are heavily involve in Carbon Credits and CO2 payment schemes and offsets. This is where the BIG money is and some of it will be used in the same schemes that Gates and SOROS already sponsor tax free. So jobs for ‘green’ enforcers will be the biggest winners. Stopping and snooping that you are not putting the wrong item in the rubbish bin, which may be half the size and less collections are already in many parts of the UK already. The BBC will never report on Carbon Credit Fraud, as it will be a growth area and many will be forced to trade on the black market avoiding the tariffs and ‘licences’ to trade in everything from clothes to food. In addition a three day working week may be the norm to allow ‘jobs’ to be recycled. Standards in everything will fall and many things will fall apart. So repairs will be essential in all things and could well cost more than the original item cost. Profit, what we all rely on, will also be heavily taxes to pat for those that can never work, won’t work or cannot repair anything. The back up plan for this is recreational drugs to be be available for certain ‘groups’ for free. Cannabis is the favorite (it will be taxed in all shops) and harder drugs (the BBC prefer) such as Cocaine will be next. NHS will be the main source of employment treating drug addicts. Alcohol will be prohibitively expensive (due Carbon offset taxes). And lastly there will always be another VIRUS to control areas that do not comply with restrictions or are ‘problem’ areas which require monitoring by ‘community policing’ this is big growth in ‘targeting’ police resources on reported ‘hate’ crimes that will be a common theme for non- (like COVID) compliance with an automatic fine. Alleged face mask infringement for example. Working beyond the strict three day week. Driving a ’classic-car’ in a built up area without a CO2 license. The list is endless. Green thinking does not have to make sense. Its a policy of control in every part of our lives. Smuggling is an area that will be popular, avoiding all the new restrictions and license schemes that make no sense but are all linked to CO2 charges and ‘Greening’ which will always be out of reach and offset by Carbon Credits. So jobs will not be as anyone expected. And nothing will change to save the planet but will accelerate the environmental damage as all the green non-sense will DOUBLE the power requirements that we currently use at the same time as the electric cost we currently enjoy will escalate at whim, expect a 30% rise year on year due to Green taxes.

    Or maybe Boris will just say Bollocks to that. As we cannot achieve any of these targets without damaging the economy. Eventually a compromise will have to be reached. But it will be messy.

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    • Old Goat says:

      Good write up, that, Philip, and sadly accurate.

      I am in the later years of my life, and watch the current shenanigans with growing incredulity, whether it be immigration, Covid, or the climate hysteria. I had a decent education, was encouraged to think for myself, and make up my own mind about things, rather than being told what I must think. That education stood me in good stead to analyse for myself how theories evolve, and how things work. It doesn’t take much for anyone with an iota of common sense to see the way things are going, and why.

      Yet, all around me are terrified they are going to die, unless they follow the government “rules”, without ever stopping to think why this might be happening, and that perhaps it is NOT a good thing.

      But no, their holidays are paramount, their lives not worth a penny – but they do not, of course, realise this.

      I can’t believe that millions died in the world wars to keep our freedoms, and to keep the dictators at bay – if only they could see what their efforts have resulted in.

      I shall watch, from my eyrie, how things develop, safe in the knowledge that I will never see the worst that is to come. I feel for the young, I really do.

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    • BigBrotherCorporation says:

      An interesting post there Philip, thank you.

      I don’t agree with everything you say, but that doesn’t matter really, the important things we seem to agree on are:

      1. This ‘green’ thing is, or has become, a meal ticket for some, a cynical scam in fact, a means to exploit the young, the foolish, the ignorant, and the easily led.

      2. It is largely not based on real, hard, logical science, and for that reason many of us (especially those with a real, hard science/engineering background) are (rightly) very uneasy about it, and about where it is heading.

      3. Many on board with it are not scientifically literate enough, or worldly enough, or have enough sense, to see they are being manipulated. Many are useful idiots, zealots of the new religion, who are beyond thinking rationally and act on ‘faith’ alone.

      4. Meanwhile, our society and culture, based since the ‘age of reason’ on rational thought, science, freedom of speech, and a right to question, is fraying away, reverting back to some kind of medieval culture, based on ‘faith’ (and granting those with power the right to ‘silence’ any who dare disagree with them).

      5. It’s a dreadful lie, as the environment really is in a bad way, although not necessarily for the reasons quoted, the real problem is simply too many people, placing too big a demand on limited resources. Whilst CO2 can be blamed, rather than population growth and consumerism, it makes a handy (if not very logical) scapegoat, whilst allowing those in a position to benefit from human consumption of resources, to continue to rake in the profits, and to terrify the masses into compliance.

      6. It’s all quite scary really (but not because of the reasons promoted by the MSM).

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  16. Thoughtful says:

    As a follow on to that, the insane policies of the cowardly useless incompetent far far left Socialist Workers Tory party attempting to not only switch everyone away from fossil fuel cars, but also heating as well.

    They are of course complete dreamers with no notion of reality at all. I don’t think there is a single scientist or engineer in the Tory cabinet, and the Labour loons party is stuffed with no hopers who took junk qualifications.

    The National Grid has a finite capacity, and we are pretty close to it. We have a finite genmerating capacity made worse by fluctuations in output because of weather such as wind.

    A fast charger for a car draws 45KW, the number of new cars sold in Britain is around 2.5 Million meaning that in year one of electric car sales the demand for electricity will rise by 11.25Giga Watts.

    That’s only in the first year of course, because when year 2 comes along another 11.25GW is added making it 22.5GW

    Given the UKs maximum installed generating capacity is at last measurement 85GW (2014) and we are already pretty close to needing most of that it doesn’t take a genius to realise that if this policy is enacted the lights are going to go out.

    It gets worse though! The crazed loons of the government want every new home to be installed with a heat pump. They use 16KW there are 16000 new homes per year built in the UK and with retrofitting by government owned housing lets round that to another 20000.

    This adds another 320MW to the load year on year cumulative.

    It doesn’t take a genius to realise this is impossible, and while the loonies at Westminster think they live in cloud cuckoo land they are merely kicking a can down the road again in order to virtue signal. Some poor sod is going to be left picking up the pieces of failure when the idiocy is laid bare.

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    • Rob in Cheshire says:

      Thoughtful:

      You are so right. What happens when reality bites? Do the serfs revolt, or will it be too late by then?

      I do not know what the likes of May and Johnson believe it at all. The idea of making the UK “carbon neutral” by 2050 is an insane fantasy. As you say, there will be no new power stations by 2030, yet all new cars are meant to be electric. It is madness. You cannot will the ends without the means. It is frivolous and degenerate.

      The people running our government are idiots who are terrified of a harmless trace gas. They make the people in Salem seem calm and rational by comparison.

         37 likes

  17. s.trubble says:

    I would think Harrabins job title should be ” Forward Button Operative”, cos all he seems to do is forward other peoples; stuff.

    On a separate note I would expect the bBC ( not scotland version, they are snp media wing) to ask this question in the local election run up.

    How do the snp propose to manage the transfer of 700,000 mortgages in Scotland currently on the books denoted in Pound Sterling to either the new “jock” or indeed the Euro?

    with a follow up

    How do you propose , similarly, to manage similar pension currency transfers?

       24 likes

  18. JohnC says:

    Just seen the BBC report of the absolutely apalling attack on the 65 year old woman in New York:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56647077
    They chose a still from the very worst part of the video so the attacker cannot be seen. They could easily have shown another of the guy walking towards the woman where he can be seen very clearly.
    Why didn’t they ?. Because the attacker is black. Whenever they mention Chauvin now they say ‘Chauvin, who is white,’ so it follows they should have said ‘Elliot, who is black.’. But the word black does not appear in the whole article despite 90% of these racist hate crimes being done by black people.
    My disgust at the BBC and their hypocritical double standards remains at the highest level it can possibly be. They have no shame whatsoever.

       77 likes

  19. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    I’m hearing a lot about this third wave we will be getting later in the year and most papers say to expect 100 or so deaths a day. The middle case scenario.

    With virtually all the vulnerable vaccinated (twice) by then and the rest of the UK also at least with one jab, with all those now immune who have already had the Chinese flu, with this flu having almost no effect on the young’uns and with just about all the ones with other conditions who were going to die having already done so then where are these new third wave of deaths going to come from?

    Last century there were 3 major flu outbreaks (Spanish, Asian and Hong Kong) which, after a couple of waves, disappeared, and did so with no or at least minimal lockdown or vaccinations.
    No doubt these flu’s mutated as well as this current one.
    I therefore don’t see where this ‘new normal’ of the way we will be living will be necessary. This Chinese flu will disappear just as the others did.

    I don’t doubt that this is a nasty one but I reckon the Spanish flu was also a nasty one and that one vanished all by itself.

       36 likes

  20. Guest Who says:

    Escalation via mutually assured diversity.

       15 likes

    • JohnC says:

      ‘Diversity means having a range of people with various racial, ethnic, socioeconomic, and cultural backgrounds and various lifestyles, experience, and interests. … An equal representation of age, race, gender, socieconomic status, religion, and political perspectives in the patient population.’
      So we clearly don’t have true diversity in the UK now.

         25 likes

      • StewGreen says:

        JohnC I don’t know where you are quoting from.
        I see that tweet has been deleted
        and replaced by a very similar one.
        ah they spelled Olika wrong

        The light skinned @NeilaButt is currently a BBC employee

        Your quote may have been deleted cos it is fallacious
        “An *equal* representation of ..race, religion”
        *fair* would be a better word, cos races and religions are not equally divided in the UK.
        If the people are diversity experts, how come they used the erroneous word in the first place.

           3 likes

        • StewGreen says:

          It’s weird that Channel4 misspelled their own diversity department’s new worker’s name
          Just a few weeks ago woke-mob were telling us that getting BAME names wrong was *racism*

          ====================

          BTW I frequently come across tweets like this

             6 likes

        • JohnC says:

          I just found it searching for the definition of ‘Diversity’. The equal representation according to age etc from the patient population is particularly relevant IMHO when used in a political sense as it is today.
          I suspect the term ‘Diversity’ is going the way of many others such as ‘fascism’ and being continually being redefined by the Left to make sure it includes whatever their agenda is today. Now it basically means over-representing minorities.

             4 likes

      • Rob in Cheshire says:

        How interesting that ability or talent does not come into it. Sport seems to be exempt though. How many five foot tall people are there in the average basketball team?

           12 likes

  21. JohnC says:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-56652191
    Just reading the BBC report about how racist the people who make ‘Neighbours’ – according to the Aborigini actress they took on and as I read her complaints, it’s clear that nobody liked her.
    Which brough up an interesting and very important point:
    ‘Racist’ to me means someone who doesn’t like someone else simply because of their skin colour. They have no interest in knowing them and insults are purely because of their colour.
    But what about when someone is just a thoroughly unpleasant person and people would dislike them whatever colour they are. People get insulted as being fat, being short and a hundred other things because they are disliked personally. And reading the whining of that woman makes it clear she belongs in the latter set. This is different to what I define as ‘racist’. It’s nothing to do with her race.

       31 likes

  22. StewGreen says:

    Unite The Union £98m Hotel & Conference centre gone 1,400% over budget
    Don’t know if this a hyped pre-election story
    Originally costed for 7 Million
    #2 development’s contract was awarded to Liverpool-based Flanagan Group, a firm run by McCluskey ally Paul Flanagan.

    #3 Heath & Safety contract awarded to SSC, a company owned by David Anderson, the son of Liverpool ex-mayor Joe Anderson.
    (who stood down as the police allege corruption
    .. I note the police just let their bail lapse)

    Sky brought up the idea that there should be an inquiry into ballooning costs & the idea union members money was been wasted ..The Labour MP refused to comment.
    But another MP on Talk Radio just said there should be an inquiry.
    I wouldn’t take the £7m first price to seriously but £98m seems ridiculous.

       20 likes

  23. G.W.F. says:

    BBC calls in the cops after abusive comments made against their affirmative action token Subha Nagalakshmi Yaxley Munchetty-Chendriah after she sniggered at the flag.

    https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=ie7&q=nagaa+mubchetty+calls+the+police&rls=com.microsoft:en-GB:{referrer:source}&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7SVEC

       16 likes

    • JohnC says:

      “I apologise for any offence taken. Naga.”
      That is the most offensive thing she said.
      It means f*ck you. I meant it.

         32 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      It comes from Private Eye printed edition
      “After Charlie Stayt brought up the union flag behind Robert Jenrick in a BBC Breakfast interview, most complaints targeted Naga Munchetty instead.”

      Is it actual threats which is illegal
      Or is it just abuse ..cos that is legal
      I expect BBC are inflating claims.
      “Four of the complaints had to be referred to the BBC’s security and investigations team due to their threatening nature and the police are now involved.”
      https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/14558964/bbc-call-police-complaints-naga-munchetty/

         28 likes

      • Peter Grimes says:

        “Perhaps the beeb could send Naga Munchetty on a how-not-to-continuously-talkover-interviewees course?”

        But that would be a waste of the money spent training her to continually interrupt and talk over interviewees, unless she just learnt it from Humpty, Numpty and Lady ‘Shouty’ Brooke.

           0 likes

  24. StewGreen says:

    Harry & Megs Invictus Games doco being discussed on TRadio
    ..they have appointed the producers who made the White Helmets dodo which on an Oscar.

       9 likes

  25. Thoughtful says:

    Here’s a thought raised by the George Floyd trial and which has never been picked up by the media.

    Floyd walks into a shop and tries to pass off a forged $20 note. The store assistant phones 911 and the cops show up in reasonable time, and apprehend a suspect.

    In England no one would even dream of calling the useless brigade over a forged note because they know they wouldn’t turn up! Not because they have ‘limited resources’ the cops in the US have limited resources, but because too many are engaged on non productive work such as hurty feelings.

       45 likes

  26. tomo says:

    It’s that bloke again

       18 likes

  27. Fedup2 says:

    He used fruity and industrial language in the proper setting and hits the nail on the head in short time .

    Im looking forward to the BBC repeat channel as well as the BBC yoof channel – both of which will push more people towards our point of view and the end or privatisation of the BBC.

       16 likes

  28. Old Goat says:

    If anyone’s interested in the stolen American election, and follow Mike Lindell’s progress in proving it, and have an hour to spare – watch this:

    https://lindelltv.com

       11 likes

    • Doublethinker says:

      Interesting stuff, but the host is so excitable and comments so much that actually following the statistical argument is made more difficult than it need be. However, the stats do seem to strongly confirm what we already knew , that the US election was rigged and that Biden was not elected by the American people but by algorithms controlled by the Democrats.
      What is truly scary is that there is so much evidence that this is the case that in any democratic country there would surely have been an outcry and an investigation prior to the election result being confirmed. The fact that there hasn’t been indicates that America is no longer a democracy , nor champion of the free world . With America lost thereis little hope that democracy can overcome the Dictatorship of the Woke. How long will the Wokists think it n.necessary to keep up the pretence of democracy? How long before they feel confident enough to declare that elections are unnecessary and we should settle down and accept their rule over us? We now live in the post democracy era . What happens next?

         27 likes

      • JohnC says:

        The bit about this which has ‘scared’ me the most is how all the MSM have appended the ‘false claim’ qualifier to anyone who dare suggest the result was rigged and they have got away with it.
        They have no evidence at all the claims are false yet they are assertively stating they are.
        The next stage from that was putting red banners on social media – but only for those posts which go against this particular agenda. With links to ‘fact checkers’ which are the latest attempt by the Left to hide their biased narrative behind a facade of respectability.
        Then we had the Capitol riots which is the modern equivalent of the Reichstag fire and has been used to systematically remove the opposition.
        It’s very, very worrying. They have tested how much they can get away with using the Left-wing media to support them and they won’t stop until there is serious backlash. Then they will rewind a little bit and that will be the new ‘normal’.
        Reminds me a bit of the petrol shortage we had when they kept increasing the price until people took to the streets. Then the price went down but crept back up to just below the level which caused trouble.

           4 likes

      • Scroblene says:

        What happens next?

        Well, I reckon the wokists, nasties etc. over here will be poking their grubby fingers into every way possible to copy all this!

        It’s usually assumed that vote rigging is carried out in many places, with London always in the sights. Maybe some Prof over here can do the same as the Prof over there, but as they all started a month before the US ‘election’, it’ll probably be too late.

        The London Mare vote is a farce anyway, so another nail in our once great city’s coffin will seal the fate of decent citizens! I’d get out now, while you can, Fed!

           3 likes

    • Philip_2 says:

      More votes recorded in ‘Colarado’ than than exist in 2021 population stand out clearly. Across the entire US states the forensic clue was that the same ‘algorithm’ sourced from a public a census from 2010 was being used to tamper all voting machines in real time. This would be proof that systematic fraud was taking place and had been planned in advance in the last US election.

         11 likes

      • Scroblene says:

        I just don’t understand why the Republican Party aren’t challenging all this!

        Were they doing something similar?

           1 likes

  29. StewGreen says:

    I see @lotuseaters_com are on yet another YouTube suspension
    They say it was for reporting something about the US election
    … though last time I watched the guy accidentally spoke Tommy’s name ..something that apparently is banned on YouTube, so they use a codename instead.

       14 likes

    • JohnC says:

      When speaking someone’s name is banned, you know Nazi Germany is not far away.

         5 likes

  30. Thoughtful says:

    There has been much in the news over the past couple of days over the Tory (Blue Labour) ‘government’ refusal to remove the Pakistani Muslim rape gang members who remain here several years after they should normally have been removed.

    Most commentors on the stories are complely in the dark and believe this is due to incompetence on the part of one or other, or eveil Leftist civil servants etc etc, they are wrong.

    The story originates from a magazine called politicalite which claimed to have an anonymous source in London who had told them the Labour PM Gordon Brown had approached our old friends the Saudis asking for money. They agreed to give Brown the money he asked for with the strings attached that Muslims in Britain had to be allowed to do what ever they wanted.
    Being a Labour member the Saudis should have realised that they needn’t have asked this it would have been done anyway.

    Brown then acted to prevent prosecution or even investigation of the rape gangs once his money was guaranteed.

    Then we had David Cameron Nick Clegg comming into government and we know Cameron was hungry for the Saudi oil money himself and regarded Tony BLiar as ‘the master’ nothing much appears to have been done regarding the rape gangs during that time either.

    Fast forward to today and we have an even more suspect greedy man as PM with primae Facie evidence he took money from the Iranian government to facilitate the Obama nuclear deal and it should come as no surprise to see a Muslim not being returned to the country where he originates from.

    We know the British government can move like greased lightening when it wants to remove someone who is White to another country.

    The answer yet again is a simple one. Saudi does not want Muslims removed from Western countries back to Muslim ones because it reduces the numbers of them, and the UK senior politcos are only too willing to carry out their bidding.

    And that alas is the most likely reason why none of these Paedos have been removed back to Pakistan.

       34 likes

    • fakenewswatcher says:

      Gordon Brown? Surely not, he was such a wonderful PM? I mean, take how he sold off our gold reserves at bargain prices. Is that not evidence of economic genius?
      He was also a buddy of the one and only Anthony B., who -according to A. Nether- really gave Blue Labour one in the eye (by letting in 2-3 million ‘migrants’). Even Boris Border Farce is Priti useless at competing with THAT!
      I’m sure our Gordon has nothing but the best interests of …er….well, and I’m sure Auntie will be happy to tell us all about it?
      Another beauty.
      Are we not all looking forward to voting good old red labour and the great Surkeer the Kneeler? He might greatly increase the help to the little boats coming in to Dover? Could imagine A Dodds (another economic genius, no doubt), selling off the rest of our gold (if there is any left).
      Then again, the oh-so-generous R Sunak, who has access to a limitless money tree, will offer her stiff competition. So hard to chose: blue labour or red labour?
      Anyway, concentrate on the pandemic, lockdown, vaccines, regulations, course corrections, speculations, 1 thousand billion bits of ppe dispersed into the rivers and oceans every month…
      Course, I’m aged, so not an anti-vaxxer. So looking forward to the next shot in the arm, as well as voting red or blue economic genius.
      Where r u Nigel, and why have you quit?

         20 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      I wonder if there are complications
      Like hypothetically there is an order to remove a rapist
      but the brother is useful cos he is a terrorism informer ?
      Either way if border control had been proper in the first place you would have less of a problem with both those things.

         11 likes

      • Guest Who says:

        Watched a Netflix flick last night about a wartime serial killer.

        Not keen on ‘greater good’ exemptions being adjudicated in camera by powers that be then.

        Or now.

           1 likes

    • maxincony says:

      Thoughtful,

      …politicalite which claimed to have an anonymous source…

      Oh, well, if a far-right, anti-muslim, fake-news website claims to have “an anonymous source”… what more proof do you need?

         1 likes

  31. The Sage says:

    Diversity, don’t ya just love it:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-56660341
    How many times has this happened?
    I did not need to read beyond the headline to know that our cheery RoP friends were involved here – and, of course, he drove off with a care for the victim.
    What’s more and in my view, the prison sentence seems unbelievably lenient.

       18 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      typo I guess “he drove off withOUT a care for the victim.”

      In the police thread dozens of people shout 30 months isn’t long enough.

      It sounds like this is completely different from the Lincolnshire driver who was temporarily negligent in allowing himself to be distracted by his children.
      This guy seems to have been systematically negligent in #1 driving like maniac.
      Then #2 failed to stop.
      That’s similar to a thug who goes around flashing a knife in people’s faces.

      Personally I think it’s the crime that is the offence it should make no difference if the victim is lucky and survives.

         9 likes

      • Garry Lavin says:

        My mates daughter was run over in a similar situation 12 years ago….and has had a ton of back operations but will always struggle.

           3 likes

    • The Sage says:

      Apologies, Stew, yes that should have read “without”

         0 likes

    • JohnC says:

      That sentence is ludicrously short considering he drove off and left her to die.
      Wonder what he would have got if he was white.

         5 likes

  32. digg says:

    People of colour are often written out of history, but period dramas can provoke important conversations

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bridgeton-black-cast-period-dramas-b1824340.html

    “It is refreshing to see diverse actors being cast in historical dramas like Bridgeton and Mary Queen of Scots, accuracy is not always as important as representation”

    So accuracy is not always as important as “representation?”

    The BBC have been following that guideline for quite some time now in a large percentage of their views and news. Not to mention the OFCOM bludgeoned advertising industry.

    In this version of the truth, 2+2 can it seems equal 5!

       43 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      Bridgerton is NOT historical
      It is a fantasy role-play drama ..it’s not intended to be real world.

      Whereas Mary queen of Scots is usually written to be factual
      It too could be fantasy if the writer wanted eg the way Shakespeare writes Antony and Cleopatra.

         9 likes

      • BRISSLES says:

        They’ll be telling us next that Sherlock Holmes actually lived !!!

           9 likes

        • Charlie Farley says:

          Elementary my dear BRISSLES !

             9 likes

        • Lefty Wright says:

          BRISSLES
          O.M.G. BRISSLES are you saying that Mr Holmes and Dr. Watson are FICTIONAL characters? That they are characters akin to Father Christmas and Rudolph the reindeer?
          I’m sorry but I must consult the Holy Quran on this.
          Your life could depend on the answer to this question.
          xxx

             11 likes

      • Kaiser says:

        “Bridgerton is NOT historical”

        you seem to overestimate the IQ of beeb viewers

           7 likes

    • Dobyns says:

      In philosophy, or religion, or ethics, or politics, two and two might make five, but when one was designing a gun or an aeroplane they had to make four.

      George Orwell

         22 likes

    • Lefty Wright says:

      digg
      So now we know for sure eh? Accuracy = TRUTH and Representation = LIES. BUT we are being invited by our extremely boring, but highly manipulative mass media to embrace Representation and forget about Accuracy.
      Well, all I can say in reply is F.O. m.s.m.because I’m not buying your shabby tat and I advise you to go and open your imporium in China or Japan or ANYWHERE but here. Thank You so much. You ARE the weakest link. Goodbye – and good riddance..

         11 likes

  33. Fedup2 says:

    Twitter watch

    Weatherspoons has developed its own covid passport to gain entry – its called a £10 note ….

    Other licenced premises are available – except that they are closed for the duration .

       28 likes

    • Lefty Wright says:

      Fedup2
      So it’s Weatherspoons or Speakeasies. Must we really endure that shit here in ENGLAND? After all, it failed in the U.S.A. Humanity has always, and always will, find a way around illogical restrictions.

         6 likes

      • Fedup2 says:

        Lefty wright – I don’t get your drift – my point was that wheatherspoons were ‘lampooning ‘ the idea of a vaccine passport by saying that if you have money you can go into one of their pubs for a beer ….

        And don’t use 4 letter words like that on this site – or leave it

           4 likes

        • Lefty Wright says:

          Comment deleted ( fedup2 moderator )

             2 likes

          • Lefty Wright says:

            Fedup2
            Ouch! Was it something I said?

               0 likes

            • Fedup2 says:

              Lefty
              Once upon a time if some used the F word I’d just delete the F.
              This takes me time . Now I will just delete the whole post – I left your name up to let you know your comment is gone .

              If you want to argue this – please don’t as I will delete that too –

              Personally I could never be offended by a word but my role as mod is to keep the site clean

                 1 likes

  34. StewGreen says:

    Amol a special with the WaPo editor
    #OrangeManBad etc.
    “WE were holding the disinfo man to account”
    .. that’s him projecting

       6 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      @AmolRajan did make the effort to bring the numerous hyperbolic WaPo headlines calling Trump a “fascist”
      but then let the guest brush him off
      ==============

      I guess radio4 shows listenership keeps falling
      I keep checking live tweets about programmes
      During the media show only ONE person tweeted

         16 likes

  35. StewGreen says:

    4:30pm R4 trailer the one they keep playing
    it has a racebaity tone “All the black kids were supporting Ali” says the voiceover

       3 likes

    • Kaiser says:

      “and All the white kids were supporting Frazier” said the voiceover yesterday

      I very much doubt either of those statements to be true

         6 likes

  36. StewGreen says:

    Neighbour “Oh the doctors just phoned but never left a message”
    .. Me “It’s the call for your second vaccination, but they have this stupid system where they never leave a msg.. call them back”

    He phoned them back and has his appointment on Saturday (Pfizer)

    Yet the other 92 yo neighbour still doesn’t have hers,
    cos her doctors can’t get hold of Pfizer.

       10 likes

  37. StewGreen says:

    “President Donald Trump” is trending
    but I can’t work out why
    No big news
    Yesterday libmob stirrers made a claim Matt Gaetz had asked Trumped for a pardon,
    today Trump issued a simple statement, saying that was not true.

       7 likes

  38. StewGreen says:

    Climate show : SkyNews got 127 Likes for today’s promo tweet CCBGB
    FYI you can’t add up results from multiple thermometers that are only accurate to 2 decimal places
    and then claim you have a result accurate to 8 decimal places
    That’s #TheatreNotNews

       23 likes

    • Garry Lavin says:

      Dear me.

         1 likes

    • StewGreen says:

      Tuesday’s R4 Arts Show “Climate change books,
      So far, 2021 has seen a large number of novels with a climate change theme being published.
      Toby Lichtig, Fiction Editor at the Times Literary Supplement, reports on some of the new releases and shifting attitudes in publishing towards avowedly-politicised fiction

      1 hour later Covid doco
      While Dr Peter Daszak and Dr William Karesh from EcoHealth Alliance highlight how climate change and pandemic risk are interconnected;
      all the solutions already identified to tackle global warming will also help prevent the next virus from jumping.”

      I bet some Green policies make the risk worse
      eg international climate conferences

         1 likes

  39. The Sage says:

    Don’t ya just love diversity, part II (just today):

    A man who followed and murdered a woman on a night out before disposing part of her body in an alleyway has been jailed for life.

    Azam Mangori, 24, killed Lorraine Cox, 32, in his flat above a kebab shop in Exeter in September.

    Mangori, of Dartmouth Road, Stoke-on-Trent, was found guilty of murder by a jury at Exeter Crown Court, after he admitted preventing a lawful burial.

    Judge Justice Garnham said he should serve at least 20 years in jail.

    Mangori left Ms Cox’s body in his flat for a week before dismembering her.

       20 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      Mr. Mangori would surely be ‘Stoke Taxidermist’ in BBC parlance surely?

         9 likes

      • Sluff says:

        Mr Mangon is clearly a disadvantaged BAME who has suffered prejudice throughout his life at the hands of racist white British people and so cannot be responsible for his actions.
        ‘We are all to blame’.

        Isn’t that the usual line taken?

           24 likes

  40. Sluff says:

    Pointless BBC1.
    The quiz show, not a general statement.

    A question on 2020 New Years Honours winners.
    Sixteen photos of winners, requiring identification.

    6 were BAME of whom 4 were Black.
    Gok Wan, Nadiya Hussein, Steve Mcqueen, , Floella Benjamin, Ainsley Harriet, June Sarpong.

    Ignoring quite why any of them deserve a gong, other than for their skin colour, as an example of positive discrimination, fully endorsed by the BBC it’s right up there. 10-15% of the population get nearly 40% representation.

    This on top of University Challenge shown by Stewgreen to be asking leftist anti British questions set by a leftist anti British question setter.

    Left wing biased quiz shows. Proven. Nowhere is safe and nothing can be trusted with the BBC.

       32 likes

    • Fedup2 says:

      I think there is a new ‘sport ‘ – spot the planted woke quiz question . Usually it’s about some obscure woman / coloured type who was the first ( allegedly ) to do something – which I think is a BBC obsession ….

      …. you might also try the ‘fixed question plant ‘ where a ‘celebrity ‘ is gifted a question which might accord with their lifestyle – eg a Rasta contestant will get the ‘bob Marley ‘ or Mandela question ….
      Some might find it more compelling than the usual stuff – and once the coloured newsreader takes over mastermind – will become far more – common …

         20 likes

  41. Eddy Booth says:

    Betfred: Blackjack player wins £1.7m jackpot after High Court battle
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-56663830

    Never trust an online bookie.
    Unfortunately it’s the shabby BBC so it doesn’t explain clearly how the punter won such a huge amount.
    It clearly isn’t real Blackjack, as the title suggests.
    They go on to say it’s Frankie Dettori’s Magic Seven Blackjack.
    But no more.
    Googling that and
    “Frankie Dettori’s Magic Seven Blackjack is a fast-paced, horse racing-themed virtual blackjack game by Playtech. Inspired by one of the most popular jockeys of the past few decades, this version of Twenty-One offers a tempting jackpot payout of 7,777 times the bet.”

       6 likes

  42. Sluff says:

    Hot off the press. Well, in my world at any rate.

    A very reliable source tells me that the local vaccination centre where they work is all but standing down for April.

    The people are able to do the work. Everything is set up.
    Vaccine is currently available.
    So, what’s the problem?

    Word on the street is that Boris has agreed a deal with the EU to massively reduce the number of first doses given and send (AZ) vaccine over to the EU. In return they will supply what is necessary to maintain our second dose requirement, particularly the Pfizer vaccine from Belgium.

    First doses you will note have been below 100,000 per day for several days on the trot.

    You ( might have) read it here first.

       18 likes

  43. Fedup2 says:

    Fun with the Reich EU – a meeting between the reich EU and top Jonny Turk has led to a cuffufle because the two boys – president of Turkey and president of the EU council? Got the chairst whilst the kraut Helga got the sofa – all on camera . Apparently one of the subjects was the role of Wimmin ..Bliss .

       16 likes

  44. Fedup2 says:

    I sort of watched the medical briefing saying stuff about who shouldn’t have the vaccine . I’m hoping that I’ll get my second one sooner and be well on the way to a vax passport and subsequent exit from blighty .

    But in this weird time they seem to be limiting the vaccine to certain groups although supplies are going to reduce any way . Strange

       7 likes

  45. SpinningReith says:

    Pointless…
    ‘Culture’ questions, answers beginning with ‘C’.
    US artist blah blah..
    Elizabeth Catlett (me neither, with my degree in art history) – African-American illustrating the experience of black/black women.
    They can’t help themselves can they?

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  46. Deborah says:

    Look North had an item on Long Covid and they highlighted a 27 year old BBC presenter called Ellie that I have never heard of. The item said there were 400,000 people with long covid. But then we have had Layla Moran (lib dem) but followed up with another MP I have never heard of, Andrew Gwynn who apparently is suffering from Long Covid. They want Long Covid to become acknowledged as a work place disease (how do we know people caught Covid at work?). Imagine the cost of 400,000 people suffering Long Covid plus the ones swinging the lead. I suspect it was the worry of Long Covid in younger people which was always the concern. I also suspect that if a disease is a work place disease those 400,000 will be suing the government and their employers. But of course left wing MPs and the BBC don’t care about cost.

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    • Lefty Wright says:

      Deborah
      The only cost that matters to the BBC is -absolutely- Zero- nix- nada – because they get paid whatever they say, do or espouse – BY LAW – for Christ’s sake !! The Organisation is a disgrace to the very England who pays their wages. Ironically, it seems our elected government give these anti Englanders billions of pounds of our taxes annually in order to take the piss from English, white, working class folks who are, by THEIR definition, well, sort of thick and not worldly wise. Well Auntie I thought I’d let you know that many of us have WOKE up which puts you on the wrong side of history.

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    • StewGreen says:

      Actually, commercial Radio presenter Ellie Brennan @_EBrennan
      ..1 minute video
      (neither of her Twitter accounts have mentioned long-covid before
      Oh she says it’s on her Instagram)

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  47. popeye says:

    We are told that there is science behind Government responses to the pandemic. Well, let’s look at the science behind two aspects of the pandemic. Mask wearing; the science is not medical, not epidemiological, not virological – it’s behavioural. Proof? I carry a small spray of eau de cologne and when challenged about masks I ask the challenger to close their eyes and from 18” I give a quick spray and ask if they can smell it. The answer is always yes. They wear a mask purely so they remember to socially isolate!

    I am 76 and my passion is golf. There is no medical science, epidemiological science or virological science that says golf is anything other than a non-existent risk with regards to Covid. I’ve been stopped playing my sport for almost a year of the very few years I have left playing purely because the behavioural “scientists” say that if I did, 20-year old lads would demand that they be allowed to play football in their pub league on a Sunday morning, though they have sixty years to make up for their missing year. If equal misery is to be the criterion then maybe MPs and BBC staff should all be on furlough pay.

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    • Jeff says:

      Quite right, Popeye.
      The mask wearing is to remind everyone that there’s an invisible enemy that we must be terrified of. It keeps us on our toes…

      As for playing golf, of course it should be allowed. If Premiership footballers are allowed to play (when they’re not kneeling, that is) then there really is no excuse. I’m not keen on golf, but there can’t be any sport where it’s easier to “socially distance” and you’re out in the fresh air.

      Ye gods, what a country we’ve become…

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    • StewGreen says:

      Theoretically : I then lift the flag out of the hole
      and putt my ball into the hole, and put my hand on the side of the hole to retrieve the ball.
      – You come a few minutes later and do the same the same thing
      you touch your face.

      What you didn’t know is that I had wiped my nose with my hand before I touched the flagpole and hole. So now you have just put my Covid up your nose.

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      • popeye says:

        Actually, we no longer remove the flags and the holes have been adapted to ensure the ball does not fall to the bottom. Also rakes have been removed from bunkers and ball-cleaners covered up. Plus as a slicer I always play with a hooker to maintain social distancing (lol)

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  48. Northern Voter says:

    I live in rural France and was along seeing an older neighbour of mine just down the lane, he isn’t very well, cancer in remission, has to wear a colostomy bag etc. Anyway, the district nurse came to tend to him and we were talking about the vaccine situation here in France , I asked if he did the jabs, no he said, only if a Doctor is present. This is the same nurse who gives us the flu jab every winter! Went down to the pharmacy to see how we were getting on, on the list for the jab (I’m 73 Mrs Voter 72 and diabetic) we went on the list 3 weeks ago, not heard a thing, put on a new list, apparently our Doctor will be getting enough vaccine for 10 jabs tomorrow or Friday, I’m not holding my breath!

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  49. StewGreen says:

    Tonight’s TV
    Only 1hour of cooking
    3 hours of property porn shows though.

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  50. Sluff says:

    And yet another triumph of diversity and multiculturalism so favoured by the BBC

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-56660341

    ‘Newcastle driver left student to die in road after crash’

    One was called Emma, one was called Mohammed.
    One was killed, one got 30 months.

    Guess which was which.

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    • Lefty Wright says:

      Sluff
      Are we permitted to know the name and the political persuasion of the – er- so called JUDGE in this case ?
      So sorry. What a ridiculous question.

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    • StewGreen says:

      By the way @Sage already posted the story above 2:59pm
      but yours is a good summary

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