617 Responses to Midweek Thread 29 September 2021

  1. Zephir says:

    How much will it cost the UK to get to net zero?

    The government is required to set five-yearly carbon budgets after taking advice from the Climate Change Committee (CCC), an independent statutory body formed under the Climate Change Act 2008.

    The CCC’s Sixth Carbon Budget, published last December, estimated that the total costs of transitioning to net zero emissions would be “below 1% of GDP throughout the next 30 years”. This represents a significant reduction from the 1% to 2% of GDP forecast in the Fifth Carbon Budget, published in 2015.

    The CCC’s latest budget also made clear that reaching net zero “will be capital-intensive, with increased upfront spending” required.

    According to the report, to reach the 2050 target, the UK’s low carbon investment would need to increase to around £50bn a year by 2030 – roughly five times the level seen in 2020. The advisory body said that “the increase is deliverable, primarily by private companies and individuals, alongside other investment, provided effective policy is put in place”.

    However, modelling by the National Grid of four “different pathways” to net zero – ranging from “Steady Progression” to “Leading the Way” – indicates that the cost could be far higher, with a net value of up to £3.2trn by 2050.

    https://www.theweek.co.uk/news/environment/953853/how-much-will-it-cost-the-uk-to-get-to-net-zero

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    • Zephir says:

      Weasel words there ” private companies and individuals, alongside other investment”yeh right 3.2 trillion is just going to magically appear from nowhere

      Greta had better start flipping some burgers and get a paper round and paying some tax because that is the only way it will be payed for

      THAT is the inconvenient truth… “insulate Britain” “extinction rebellion” whilst you have endless days free to protest

      You go to work (if we allow you to) and we have taken it upon ourselves to sit on our unemployed arses on benefits that allows an endless supply of purple hair dye and tattoos, and decide what your taxes pay for, NOT the government you elected

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    • Guest Who says:

      Just bought a child a 2nd hand car. £2k. Pristine. Low mileage.

      First fill, the only cars in the forecourt.

      Admittedly, diesel was ‘off’.

      Autotrader are asking me to enter a competition for a leccy Jag.

      £76,000

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      • Zephir says:

        Its OK we have been told that private companies and individuals alongside other investment will sort that out, I cant wait for my new electric car to arrive from them. And the free insulation and new boilers,

        I am just a lttle confused how “insulate Britain” are managing to do that while sitting on the M25.

        Maybe they are waiting for a lift to the nearest B and Q and put their money where their mouth is

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      • StewGreen says:

        The newspaper reviewer on yesterdays BBC Hull station had just bought herself one of those.

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  2. Zephir says:

    Three lessons about public policy from Beatles songs
    Neil Irwin08:08, Jan 14 2014

    Fifty years ago next month, the Beatles piled onto Pan Am Flight 101 out of Heathrow, and a few hours later descended on America. As the anniversary approaches, expect to see a lot of iconic old video: of John, Paul, George and Ringo flopping their mop-tops on “The Ed Sullivan Show,” of onlookers crowding what was then Idlewild airport, of adolescent girls screaming at Shea Stadium.

    But forget the pop culture history for a minute. What has always stood out to us about the Beatles’ oeuvre is what it teaches about crucial concepts in public policy. After careful review of every album from “Please Please Me” to “Abbey Road,” here are the three most important policy lessons to be gleaned from the Fab Four.

    The song: “Taxman”

    The Lesson: The Laffer Curve is real.

    The 1966 song from the “Revolver” album is the Beatles’ most explicit commentary on public policy. The lads from Liverpool were starting to come into serious money at this point – only to realise that the policies of the post-war Labour governments would mean that their British tax bill would add up to a 95 per cent (by some accounts 98 per cent) marginal rate.

    As the anger-filled lyrics by George Harrison convey, this pleased the Beatles not at all. “If you drive a car, I’ll tax the street./ If you try to sit, I’ll tax your seat./ If you get too cold, I’ll tax the heat./ If you take a walk, I’ll tax your feet.”

    Fast-forward a decade. American economist Arthur Laffer popularised the Laffer Curve – the idea that increasing the tax rate can, paradoxically, result in the government making less revenue.

    When you’re in that portion of the Laffer Curve, an increase in, say, income tax rates results in would-be taxpayers either not earning the income at all (why bother working if you’re going to be taxed at 95 per cent?), or going to extreme lengths to shelter or shift the income elsewhere to avoid taxes.

    The Beatles took the latter approach. They realised that the best way to avoid exorbitant income taxes on their musical royalties would be to, through some legal magic, turn that into capital gains instead of income. The British capital gains tax rate at the time was only 30 per cent.

    “They were the most famous people in the world, and they were making a lot of money, but they were not seeing any of it,” Peter Brown, one of their managers, said in an interview with Bloomberg last year. “So capital gains was the obvious route to go.”

    They formed a company, Northern Songs Ltd, which owned their compositions and listed shares on the London Stock Exchange in a February 1965 public offering.

    “The London financial community wasn’t quite sure what to make of a company whose only assets were the songwriting potential of two Liverpudlian twentysomethings,” Bloomberg noted. It came at a cost, too: The fact that the songs were owned by a publicly traded company rather than the songwriters as individuals allowed them to eventually be sold not back to Paul McCartney and John Lennon’s widow, but to Michael Jackson. But that’s a whole different story.

    Side note: If you have followed the debate over “carried interest” rules in the United States, you may be struck by the similarities. Those allow managers of hedge funds, oil and gas partnerships, and real estate investments to convert income into lower-taxed capital gains. The Beatles exploited the original carried interest loophole. The Beatles were the Mitt Romney of the 1960s.

    But, more broadly, their experience – and the sense of anger and protest expressed musically in “Taxman” – show why governments can’t continuously raise more revenue by pushing tax rates up. An important caveat: There is a big difference between top tax rates in the 90 per cent-plus range as in 1960s Britain and the current US top rate of under 40 per cent. The Post’s Dylan Matthews surveyed several economists on where they think the Laffer Curve bends — at what point tax increases result in less government revenue — and many answers were in the 70 per cent ballpark.

    The song: “When I’m 64”

    The lesson: Improving life expectancy requires rethinking of pension systems

    When Paul McCartney wrote this diddy for the “Sgt. Peppers’ Lonely Hearts Club Band” album, he was an impetuous 24 years old, and surely thought of age 64 as being one of dotage. He muses, hopefully, that he will still have some use as a human at that age. “I could be handy, mending a fuse/ When your lights have gone” and “Doing the garden, digging the weeds.”

    “Will you still need me, will you still feed me/ When I’m 64?” he asks. From a 2014 standpoint, that sounds insane. Sixty-four-year-olds in advanced countries don’t need somebody to feed them. They can do much bigger jobs than fixing a fuse or piddling in the garden. McCartney himself is now 71, released a new album last fall and still tours!

    Here’s the thing, though. From the vantage point of the Beatles as young men, thinking of 64 as old age wasn’t so ludicrous. The life expectancy for a male born in Britain in 1942, the year McCartney was born, was 60.65 years, according to the Human Mortality Database. (It was only a bit higher than that in the United States). The Beatles’ parents and grandparents had lived through devastating world wars. The polio vaccine was a decade old. The world they inhabited was one in which 64-year-olds really were long in the tooth.

    This has broad implications for society, and in particular how we structure programs for retirees. Pension systems designed for an era in which people die in their mid-60s will tend to be chronically underfunded when life-spans rise. As people are more active in their 60s, 70s and beyond, they can work longer, though with important exceptions for those who do physically demanding jobs.

    A person who retires at 65 and lives to age 97 or so will spend a third of his or her life receiving pension benefits. We’re no longer in a world where a 64-year-old is in the final days like the imaginary future that McCartney envisioned in the song. And we need both public and private pension systems designed in a way that reflects that reality.

    The song: “Revolution”

    The lesson: Incremental policy improvement trumps grand theories

    In 1968, when “The White Album” was released, revolutionary fervour was in the air. Vietnam protests were at a high ebb; there was violence in the streets, and there was a sense that the old order was fundamentally broken and needed to be brought down by any means necessary.

    The Beatles’ song “Revolution” combines an almost bombastic revolutionary tone with a more subtle message. “We all want to change the world/ But when you talk about destruction/ Don’t you know that you can count me out,” John Lennon wrote. “You say you got a real solution/ Well, you know/ We’d all love to see the plan.”

    Lennon seems to have meant the song as a rebuke of would-be revolutionaries who, in their dislike of how things worked in the Western democracies, blinded themselves to the brutal realities of rule under Communist regimes (“You say you’ll change the constitution/ Well, you know/ We all want to change your head” and “if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao/ You ain’t going to make it with anyone anyhow”). But there are some themes in the song that apply more broadly to policy.

    It’s easy to look around the world and see all the things that are going wrong, and to want to tear up the system in its entirety. What’s a lot harder is the messy work of identifying concrete, practical action that might make peoples’ lives better, all the while respecting existing institutions and interests enough to actually make positive change happen through democratic means.

    In other words, it might be nice to say: The US health care system is a disaster and should be replaced with a state-run system like in Britain or Canada. But if you want to ensure more people can get coverage at less cost, and to get it through America’s messy constitutional system, what you actually need is less a revolution and something more like the Affordable Care Act.

    The banks helped cause the financial crisis, and you want vengeance, right? Well, nationalising the banks might sound good, but could stand in the way of an economic recovery and exact a tremendous financial and political cost. Maybe it’s better to rein in the banks with the complex but expansive Dodd-Frank Act to try to ensure they are better regulated.

    You say you got a real solution. Well, you know, we’d all love to see the plan. But sometimes it’s better if that plan is something concrete and actionable, not a pie-in-the-sky vision of how you might reshape policy by revolution.

    AND THERE’S MORE

    Here are more potential public policy lessons you might learn from various Beatles songs:

    “Eight Days a Week”_ The case for the 40-hour workweek.

    “Paperback Writer” – How copyright law can paradoxically stifle innovation.

    “Eleanor Rigby” – Clearly about Meals on Wheels.

    “I Am the Walrus” – The advantages of human-animal hybrids.

    “Back in the USSR” – In support of track-two diplomacy and soft power engagement.

    “Her Majesty” – A subtle critique of Commonwealth republicanism.

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  3. tomo says:

    some news from Iran (and Pakistan)

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  4. Zephir says:

    Next, public policy from Britney :

    “Oops, I did it again”

    erm, possibly about a naughty cat or dog?

    “Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
    Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
    I think I did it again”

    And she complains about being locked up.. I would happily crowdfund a padded cell for her it it was soundproof and at least 20 miles away from a recording studio

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    • Zephir says:

      Correction, after official objection: that shoud read “naughty dog”

      I am happy to confirm the cat has never done it anywhere outside of the litter tray, or I have been assured, has Jasper next door or the black cat up the road

      The funny smell in the corner of the corner of the bathroom has nothing to do with her, apparently.

      I can only assume the wife has some strange habits.

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  5. StewGreen says:

    Dale Vince got a free 2 min advertising slot in today’s local radio news bulletin
    Summary : like most Green businesses Dale Vince can’t make his product as cheaply as his competitors
    so he has a solution … BAN THE COMPETITORS
    So we can only have gas & electricity at the expensive price he makes it at.

    1pm news
    Item #3 “energy price rises”
    “Dale Vince the owner of Green energy co Ecotricity says the UK has become UTTERLY dependant on Fossil Fuels

    Em ” utterly” is untrue
    For electricity
    Nuclear is at 5GW 24/7
    Then in the daytime you need upto 20 GW more
    … solar and wind are prioritised .. you could get 12 out them then 1 from interconnectors ..most French nuclear
    and another 3 from biofuel, & burning rubbish
    So then gas is turned on and of with demand and low wind solar
    so usually it’s pushing out 4, then up to 16 or even 20 on cold windless days
    Dependent ? if you took natural-gas out of the mix you’d still get 20% of electricity when you want it, but there’d often be times with a 50% shortage and occasionally a 80% shortage

    Then for transport and heating : the vast majority is from fossil fuels

    Dale Vince “we actually can make all of the electricity we need in our country from the wind & the sun and a LITTLE bit of sea

    We can make ALL of the gas from GRASS

    But unless we change the market then we’ll still follow global prices for energy
    We’ve gotta delink ourselves from that
    With government intervention /regulation that sets the price for energy based on what it costs to make it here in Britain, not what it gets sold for in the rest of the world.
    That’s not happening right now.

    So he doesn’t even mention nuclear ..a great low carbon fuel,

    The UK has to cover low wind/sun times no matter how many wind/sun industry sites it has
    Large scale storage to cover this is not viable or economic

    Grass to gas is a fake CO2 saving, cos every time you use a field, you have to bring another field of food from abroad
    I doubt the UK has enough grass land to get close to covering fossil fuel gas heating requirement

    Doh we’ve spent billions on building interconnectors
    so the UK electricity market is internationally linked where Dale likes it or not.

    Dale wants to sell his Grass-to-gas as gas for heating
    and also put some through gas boilers on farms to make electricity for the grid.
    So having banned his £40/MWh natural-gas competitors
    He can get paid his £100/MWh cost

    When international makers make biogas or ethanol
    what price will they get ?
    They will get whatever the MARKET price of natural-gas is
    ie their price is linked to the market.

    Now if the UK forces a price of £100/MWh they will want to sell into the UK market.
    The UK can’t argue it’s fossil fuel gas
    so it will push down the UK market price, so UK will still be linked to international gas prices.

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    • Guest Who says:

      The Graun has a social media arm called Graun Environment

      One is sure that in addition to all at the BBC, especially the three stooges and Wendy’s new one, it is a must read for Nut Nut and her todger led comfort spouse.

      Just came across a recent post.

      In several hours it has yet to manage 20 reactions of any kind.

      This is what drives life changing, billion pound policy.

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  6. MarkyMark says:

    The Center for Countering Digital Hate is a British non-profit organisation with offices in London and Washington, DC. It campaigns for big tech firms to stop providing services to individuals who may promote hate and misinformation, including neo-Nazis and anti-vaccine advocates. Wikipedia
    Founded: 19 October 2018
    Headquarters location: London
    Key people: Imran Ahmed (CEO)

    Imran Ahmed is the founder and Chief Executive of the Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH), a not-for-profit NGO that studies online hate and misinformation and develops solutions for countering them, across fields including medical misinformation and climate denial. The CCDH was launched publicly in September, and over the past two months has focused its work on tackling coronavirus misinformation, publishing the government-backed guidance, #DontSpreadTheVirus, for what to do if one encounters misinformation online.

    Imran was the Senior Political Adviser to the Shadow Foreign Secretary, Hilary Benn from 2012-16, during the 2015 general election and the 2016 EU referendum campaign. In 2016 he helped Angela Eagle MP with her leadership bid. Before working in politics, Imran worked for Merrill Lynch and as a strategy consultant for the first nine years of his career. Imran co-authored a book, The New Serfdom, on Friedrich Hayek’s economic and social legacy in modern Britain, with Angela Eagle MP in 2018.

    Merrill, previously branded Merrill Lynch, is an American investment management and wealth management division of Bank of America. Along with BofA Securities, the investment banking arm, both firms engage in prime brokerage and broker-dealer activities. Wikipedia

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  7. Zephir says:

    It is fascinating how these “non profit” organisations whilst not making a profit manage to pay themselves massive salaries that profit everyone involved with them

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  8. StewGreen says:

    BBC presenter Jeremy Stansfield awarded £1.6m in damages
    … BBC spokesman Vine says he never heard of the case !
    ..FFS even though the BBC has spent 8 years refusing to pay out.

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  9. Zephir says:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7389327/Five-figure-rise-charity-bosses-vast-wages-executive-paid-300-000-receives-134-000-boost.html

    Executives at some of the country’s best-known charities pocketed five- figure pay rises last year.

    Many now earn significantly more than the Prime Minister’s salary of £150,000.

    An audit by the Daily Mail found at least ten well-known charities – including the RSPCA, Macmillan Cancer Support and the Royal National Institute of Blind People – handed their bosses or highest earners pay increases of thousands last year.

    The figures come days after it emerged that Simon Cooke, chief executive of the Marie Stopes family planning charity, earned £434,000 last year, including bonuses – up from £300,532 in 2017.

    They will add to the growing controversy over the millions donated by the public that end up being paid to officials.

    Conservative MP David Davies said: ‘It is extraordinary that charitable organisations and charity bosses are giving themselves bigger pay rises than some people receive in their annual salary.

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  10. Zephir says:

    Accounts show that in the year to December 2018, the RSPCA’s highest earner took home up to £229,999, a £30,000 rise on the previous year. The charity would not say who this was. Its current chief executive Chris Sherwood, who took up the role in August last year, is on a salary of £150,000.

    The wildlife charity WWF UK handed an unnamed employee £60,000 more than its chief executive last year, while increasing its spending on advertising from £700,000 to £13million.

    The pay packet – described as a ‘one-off anomaly’ – was between £180,000 and £190,000. The charity’s chief executive Tanya Steele was paid £137,714.

    The salary of Lynda Thomas, chief executive of Macmillan Cancer Support, was increased from £170,000 – £180,000 in 2017 to £180,000-£190.000 last year. The number of staff at the charity on more than £60,000 also increased from 102 to 125 last year.

    Since last year, charities have been required to publish how many of their staff earn more than £60,000 a year, as well as disclosing the incomes of their top earners.

    Charity Commission chief Helen Stephenson said: ‘The public expect all charities… to demonstrate they are spending every penny wisely. We are now looking closely at senior pay in charities.’

    The RSPCA said Mr Sherwood’s salary of £150,000 is ‘at the lower end of the scale in comparison to other similar-sized charities’.

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    • StewGreen says:

      You have to separate out staff vs fundraisers
      a staff guy is only a cost

      A fund raiser is a super salesman
      if they bring your charity £5m in through a clever campaign
      eg. setting up legacies where people leave their house to the charity
      then they are worth a lot more salary/commission than some guy who just brings in £1m

      Similarly a troubleshooter executive might be paid £1m for amazing work that stops a charity going bankrupt.

      However most charities are effectively POLITICAL lobbying orgs
      eg WWF

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      • Emmanuel Goldstein says:

        I’ve often left items in the plastic bags they put through your letterbox for various charities but over the last year nobody comes round to collect them.
        You leave them out at the front from 8 in the morning on the designated day and someone is supposed to drive round collecting the bags full of donations.
        I’ve seen bags left out for several days.

        I phoned a couple of these places (number on the charity bag) and I even got through to speak to someone once.
        They said leave it out and someone will collect it.
        Nobody did.

        I’ve stopped leaving stuff out now and I suppose others will have also stopped.

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    • MarkyMark says:

      Match of the Day host Gary Lineker remains the BBC’s top earner, despite having agreed to a pay cut of just under £400,000. The BBC’s annual report revealed Lineker earned £1.36m in the 2020/21 financial year, down from £1.75m in 2019/20.6 Jul 2021

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  11. Zephir says:

    Interesting how many poor donkey adverts can be seen regularly on TV or Africans that need operations or fresh water (wth no questions about their president and his fleet of mercedes ) every five minutes on the tv begging pensioners to give them money yet:

    A 30-second ad during ITV’s breakfast schedule between the likes of Good Morning Britain or Lorraine costs between £3,000 to £4,000 on average. For a daytime slot, ads of the same time length come in at £3,500 to £4,500, while a peak rate alternative can cost anything from £10,000 £30,000.

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    • StewGreen says:

      I believe that the London people get the paid for adverts
      whereas poor regions get a lot of filling made from trailers and unpaid for charity adverts

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    • Charlie Farley says:

      Zephir
      One of my Brothers is a Farmer with 100 acres or so , with a mix of cattle and sheep , His wife has a few horses as well and they lost the last of two donkey’s due to old age , They got in touch with a Donkey Sanctuary with the offer of taking on some rescue ones ……lots of form filling and interview visit etc only to be turned down as they thought their property wasn’t suitable ? , Of course if you think about it why would a Donkey Sanctuary give up any of their ” Cash Cows ” so obvious really !

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  12. StewGreen says:

    “The Met will no longer deploy lone plainclothes officers on their own.”
    … so if a pair of rapists could still pretend to be police.

    AFAIK if there are police in an unmarked car, even in uniform you have a right to assume they are gangsters, and shouldn’t get in, until a marked car shows up.

    In other countries I have been stopped by fake policemen scammers , and just ignored them.
    Anyone can flash an ID card and say they are police.

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    • MarkyMark says:

      Published in February 2015, the Casey report concluded that Rotherham Council was “not fit for purpose”.[190] Casey identified a culture of “bullying, sexism … and misplaced ‘political correctness'”, along with a history of covering up information and silencing whistleblowers. The child-sexual-exploitation team was poorly directed, suffered from excessive case loads, and did not share information.[191] The council had a history of failing to deal with issues around race: “Staff perceived that there was only a small step between mentioning the ethnicity of perpetrators and being labelled a racist.”[192] The Pakistani-heritage councillors were left to deal with all issues pertaining to that community, which left them able to exert disproportionate influence, while white councillors ignored their responsibilities. Councillor Jahangir Akhtar, in particular, was named as too influential, including regarding police matters.[193]

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  13. Zephir says:

    Whilst I can accept SGs comment that most charities are political in nature, I am still confused as to the plethora of donkey adverts.

    Anyone with any sense will know you are asking for trouble, Last of the Summer Wine has been telling you for years.

    Try catching the bloody things before you throw money at them.

    I’d like to see one of their £400,000 executives sort that out and then back to his bed and breakfast and get bashed with a tea tray and broom for having muddy feet.

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  14. Fedup2 says:

    Sophie Khan of the charity ‘police action centre ‘ was given airtime on BBC News . The half wit croxall – the auto cue reader allowed her to say the whole of ‘society ‘ has to change ‘because of the everard murder –

    They were basically on the same page .. ms khan is obviously mentally challenged and has an enormous chip .

    The anti /plod – race industry is in full overdrive at the moment and the BBC is facilitating the ‘moral outrage ‘ attached to the trial .

    Methinks the weekend papers are going to be fully anti plod with more lurid stories . Already they have dug up criminologists who suggest the methods by which the evil plod carried out his crimes suggested he has done it before …

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    • MarkyMark says:

      whole of ‘society ‘ has to change ‘because of the everard murder’

      On 22 March 2020, 7-year-old Emily Grace Jones was stabbed at Queen’s Park in Bolton, Greater Manchester, England, while riding her scooter and died shortly afterwards. Eltiona Skana, a 30-year-old Albanian woman unknown to the Jones family, was arrested on the scene and later charged with murder. Wikipedia

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  15. Zephir says:

    I am lead to believe a lot of people have been murdered in London, the vast majority, over 90 % by black people with knives, hundreds and hundreds, who is demanding society has to change regarding that ?

    Many underage schoolgirls over 4000 have been gangraped , the vast majority, over 98% by muslim immigrants, who is demanding society has to change regardiing that ?

    one policeman and the far left are on a roll…placards at the ready

    For goodness sake this Government has to stand up to this far left antifa crap

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  16. Nibor says:

    One Met Police officer murders a woman and the BBC make hay about it . Interviews galore and not just the Met but the whole police force everywhere has to change , new policies have to be introduced and every politician including to Leader of the Opposition have to pronounce something on it .

    Then even more interviews including with an ex leader of Black Police Association saying the canteen culture of the Met has to change , the force must be more inclusive and the jokes and banter are wrong and the offenders make out if you’re not in on the joke you haven’t got a sense of humour .

    An asylum seeker murders a woman and — no change .
    An asylum seeker murders three gays in a park and — no change .
    A released murderer murders again and — no change ( let them out early again ) .

    The BBC have a canteen culture which we see in their so called comedy shows , always sneering ( they call it humour ) at anyone who doesn’t subscribe to their viewpoint and the people they lampoon are expected to like it , join in even .

    Hypocrites.

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  17. Zephir says:

    If I could put up with it, which I can’t, it might be interesting to see how many sneering bbc “comedians” are having fun with the most stupid, incompetent idiot president in the history of the USA who genuinely struggles to put a lucid sentence together and is surrounded by people that refuse to allow anyone to ask him a question.

    Comedy gold,, for a comedian, so not applicable to the bbc house comedians

    keep quiet, keep the communist party line

    Are they still using the Trump card to get an immediate syncophantic laugh

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  18. Zephir says:

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  19. Zephir says:

    You can check out the video yourself below (the moment in question starts at around the 6:05 mark). It’s from a 2016 appearance when Biden was still the Vice President, during remarks he made to soldiers on a visit to the United Arab Emirates. At one point, Biden makes a point and then demands,

    “Clap for that, you stupid bastards

    .”https://youtu.be/2FUcxqGObZc

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  20. BRISSLES says:

    Everyone can scream, handwring and shout as loud as they like, but it won’t make the slightest bit of difference to women walking in safety alone in the dark. Sadly it was ever thus, and each generation of men has their own stand out predator. There was no doubt several before the widely publicised Jack The Ripper, Crippen, Christie, Yorkshire Ripper, the Wests, and now its Wayne Couzens. All made headlines for days and weeks, but we really haven’t progressed much since those Victorian Times, and the situation will still be the same in another 100 years. Women have to assume there is an attacker behind every bush if they take the risk of walking alone in a park or dimly lit street.

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    • MarkyMark says:

      Joanna Dennehy: The notorious serial killer who used Peterborough as her hunting grounds
      During a 10-day period she killed three men in what came to be known as the Peterborough Ditch murders
      https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/local-news/joanna-dennehy-peterborough-ditch-murders-20653662

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    • Zelazek says:

      Brissles

      The question is what to do about it. Handwringing and whining about misogyny won’t do any good.

      Two facts have to be acknowledged. Men are stronger than women. And some men, if they think they can get away with it, will attack and rape women. These are basic facts that nothing can change.

      So how can we increase women’s safety? I see two ways.

      First, women must take preventive measures. (I know they shouldn’t have to but we don’t live in an ideal society.) Avoid unaccompanied walks in dodgy areas. Travel in groups. Chaperones have gone out of fashion but it would a good idea to reintroduce them.

      The second way is to reintroduce more severe penalties. Instead of women fearing rapists and murderers, the law should instil fear in potential rapists and murderers. Capital punishment will have more chance of deterring a dodgy cop like Couzens than a Misogyny Awareness Week at the police station.

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  21. Zephir says:

    I understand your perspective on this, yet we all have a view from our own culture and or gender.

    Regarding murder and violence :

    In 2017, 1.7 percent of women aged 15 or older indicated that they had fallen victim to one or multiple violent crimes, versus 2.5 percent of men. Women are twice as likely as men to fall victim to sexual violence. This is evident from the Safety Monitor, a survey conducted in connection with the 10th edition of the Emancipation Monitor, a joint publication by Statistics Netherlands (CBS) and the Netherlands Institute for Social Research (SCP).
    Of all types of violent crimes, intimidation is the most common among both women and men. The majority of victims are male: 1.6 percent of men against 1.1 percent of women. In addition, more men (0.9 percent) than women (0.5 percent) fall victim to assault. The opposite holds true for sexual offences: more women than men report that they have been victimised. Relative to 2012, the share of male victims of one or multiple violent crimes has dropped, while the share of female victims has remained at the same level.

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  22. Dobyns says:

    Cressida Dick as portrayed by John Belushi

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  23. Northern Voter says:

    Still, a Conservative is only a Liberal that got mugged.

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  24. Up2snuff says:

    TOADY WATCH #3 – incorporating Framing Today and the little piggies not going to market

    Bit of a surprise to wake up at 7 a.m. and hear a farming item on TOADY. It was just a reprise of the usual stuff for the last nine months/three years/five and a quarter years (delete that which does not apply): anti-Brexit propaganda. Because we haven’t got any abattoirs open and a shortage of licensed slaughterers we really shouldn’t have left the EU and British grown food is going to waste and blah blah usual BBC blah!

    The Government has made it clear that animal slaughtering is a skilled job and they are not going to issue temporary work visas for skilled jobs to be done by unskilled people. It wouldn’t be legal anyway because the PM has not got himself organised to re-write the onerous EU food regulations out of our law yet. It could also be that Princess Nut Nuts is trying to turn Bojo into a vegan for the sake of the planet.

    Anyway back to TOADY. It is stated that pig farmers are having to slaughter their pigs and dispose of the carcases. The TOADY programme has a female contributor from a pig farm. The journalist sent to interview her is not the sharpest thorn in the farm hedgerow. The contributor says that she will have to slaughter her pigs soon as new piglets are constantly being born.

    The Beeboid is not sharp enough to spot what the farmer is doing: unnecessarily introducing boars to sows to make new bacon. Really, the slaughter is not about Brexit but about farming greed and abattoirs that are maybe not fully staffed because of Covid and/or Covid testing or are closed because of sickness.

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    • Dobyns says:

      As long as al beeb exist in their Islington/W1A bubble they’ll NEVER get farming

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      • Garry Lavin says:

        Quite so. I’ve asked to be on Countryfile many times…..to tell the real story of the countryside………

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        • Zephir says:

          Dobyns, they get one thing about farming: get orf moy laaand

          Judge finds London Borough of Islington failed to properly notify homeless citizen when terminating his temporary accommodation
          Press Releases June 22, 2020

          A homeless man who was denied accommodation by his local authority, has won his case against the London Borough of Islington after the borough failed to follow due process, as set out in the Housing Act 1996.

          The case, The Queen (on the application of Christopher Mitchell) – v – London Borough of Islington, saw Mr Mitchell bring a Judicial Review claim against the borough, challenging its decision not to provide him accommodation under Section 188 (1) of the Housing Act 1996, namely, the duty to provide accommodation pending a full decision on a homeless application.

          Currently, under the relief duty, a local authority must take reasonable steps to help the homeless applicant secure that suitable accommodation becomes available for their occupation for at least 6 months. Relief duty lasts for a minimum of 56 days, and will end either automatically after 56 days from when it was accepted, or when the local authority serves a notice to end it.

          Mr James Strachan QC, sitting as Deputy Judge of the High Court of Justice, ruled in favour of Mr Christopher Mitchell on the grounds that, while the borough did notify him that he was not in priority need and of his right to request a review, it failed to inform him that the local authority would not owe him a duty to provide him with accommodation after the 56 days.

          Background to the case:

          Mr Mitchell initially approached the London Borough of Islington as homeless, and the interim accommodation duty under section 188 was engaged at that point. Several months later (within the 56-day period), Islington sent a letter headed RE: Notification of Decision – Part VII of the Housing Act 1996, which set out Islington’s reasons for finding that Mr Mitchell was not in priority need of accommodation.

          In his claim, Mr Mitchell, sought a final order that the Defendant “do forthwith secure that suitable accommodation is available for occupation by the claimant until they lawfully discharge their duty under section 189B of the 1996 Act (the initial duty owed to all eligible persons which are homeless)”

          He also sought urgent consideration of his application for permission to claim judicial review and interim relief in the form of the provision of suitable accommodation. Permission to proceed was granted.

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          • Zephir says:

            Meanwhile:

            Gary Lineker to take in homeless refugee

            ‘Match of the Day’ presenter Gary Lineker is going to share his house with an asylum seeker.

            The 59-year-old former England striker has offered to help a homeless individual through the charity Refugees at Home, which finds temporary accommodation for people in need, and has agreed to let the person live with him at his Surrey mansion.

            Gary currently has no idea who the person will and he is still awaiting for his offer to be approved after a home visit and and interview conducted on behalf of the charity, but after using his Twitter platform to talk about his concern about the plight of refugees crossing the Channel to get to the UK he decided to use his wealth and fame to help firsthand.

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  25. Thoughtful says:

    It’s now probably some years ago when on these pages I began to talk about lies of omission in regard to fake news. I know people read these pages and lift their stories opinions and ideas from posts made here – how else would a word like Sturmabteilung appear in a newspaper article less than 24 hours after being posted here?

    Now everyone is talking about lies of omission & I think back to the time when I first started to talk about it all those months ago.

    The conception of it came from the theological sins of commission and the sins of omission. We have not done those things we ought to have done and have done those things we ought not to have done etc.
    It also came from the oath we swear in court to tell the truth the whole truth an nothing but the truth because telling less than the whole truth can give a wholly different context to a tale.

    So here is another from the days of the cold war as reported in Pravda and completely factual and truthful but spun to convey a completely different meaning.

    Comrades! Yesterday there was a race between an American and a Russian, the Russian finished second, but the American finished next to last !

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    • StewGreen says:

      The word “Sturmabteilung” is not common
      yet it’s used in English tweets 20 times per day.
      So it’s appearance in a newspaper is not proof someone read the word here.

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  26. StewGreen says:

    ITV local news
    #1 item : Again the failed asylum seeker living in Sheffield who has a £90K NHS bill

    His father had a legitimate claim as he was in danger from Mugabe so the HO gave him asylum
    but when the son came over the HO said, ‘no, you are safe to go back to Zimbabwe’
    He didn’t and then had a stroke
    so the NHS just billed him as a normal over stayer.
    Sheffield unions have been running a political campaign for years
    .. and the case comes up on local news every 6 months

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  27. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    I had a look at question time again. More fool me.

    A year or so ago Fiona asked the qt audience if there were any brexit voters and …… silence.

    This time, brexit was being blamed for the shortage of HGV drivers by EVERYONE in the building apart from the token Tory on the panel.
    Fiona remarked that all those who commented from the audience blamed brexit and again, asked if there were any leave voters. One man put his hand up and said “nothing to do with brexit but can we use the rail system”
    Fiona said the majority of the audience were leave voters.
    I don’t believe a word of it.

    I don’t know where it’s coming from but I would guess the specially selected audience matched the tv advert ratio for whites represented.

    Such a biased lefty load of rubbish.

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  28. Sluff says:

    Would it not be much easier all round if the BBC News just re-named the programme as ‘Crisis Tonight’

    The latest ‘crisis’ is a shortage of meat processing workers which may lead to a culling of pigs and piglets.

    Quite why this was not an issue a week, month, three months, six months, twelve months ago was, needless to say, not explained.

    But then again, the BBC no longer choose to explain, but only to undermine and s***-stir. Though happily, the HYS ers on the ‘fuel crisis’ topic are on to them, and how!

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  29. Fedup2 says:

    Not exactly BBC – but near – im writing now about plod and the latest trial .

    Next week the Something Must be Done brigade will be in full flow at the red tory conference .

    But what is to be done ?

    There is not an easy solution to either

    Plod
    Violence ( against anyone )
    The MSM diet of fear

    But first plod – which is expensive and woke . Woke exhibits itself in poor selection and vetting . If you look at how the murderer got into the met it was by a shoddy back door – easier to remedy than other issues

    Violence against women
    The MSM and campaign groups complicate this .
    I would divide it between those known to each other and those that are not .

    So domestic violence is the former and stranger attacks – plod or foreigner hiding in a park the latter .

    Again neither are easy to control- however many strategies or resources are thrown at them

    Lastly – the media . Our world . The narrative is that white straight men are a threat . They are the baddies above all .

    No one( politician ) – yet- is willing to challenge the offensive against white british men .

    Which leaves What ?

    Answer – no change -lots of MSM anger and manufactured sorrow. An obscene number of retired senior plod on fat pensions chucking their pennys worth in for a fee –
    And a collective head shake by joe public before the attention span moves to something else .

    But i think that old concept of policing by consent is rapidly being eroded as certain groups get different treatment depending on whether they are approved

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    • taffman says:

      Its all down to a Woke police service overseen by a wokish government with out any leadership. At the same time it does nothing about 18 thousand illegal criminals landing on our beaches and environmental protesters blocking our motorways. All being reported by a Woke Broadcaster .
      We need leader not a breeder.

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  30. taffman says:

    Will this advice really help the police to fight crime ?……………
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58753857

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  31. Sluff says:

    You say Sturmabteilung and I say…..
    Encrustation.

    A concept for which credit is due to Matthew Parris.

    It defines the process of public sector imposition of rules, regulation, guidance, advice, which is offered and frequently expanded but never reduced or rescinded, irrespective of value. Because to rescind something would be ‘more than my job’s worth’.

    Take the Soham murders. Child murders were already on a slight long term decline in 1992 and have declined further since then. But in their afternath an entire industry has been created, ‘Safeguarding’, turning schools into extensions of social services. Every year sees a new, clever, addition, to safeguard against some incredibly unlikely scenario that a civil servant dreamed up one day while working from home, Where is the plan to remove some of these encrusted rules? There isn’t one. Imagine if there were. The roof would fall in on such a planner and from a great height. Imagine the synthetic fury from all manner of politicians.

    I fear we are on the cusp of another such situation. In the wake of the Sarah Everard case, ‘something must be done’. None of it would of course have stopped a determined evil murderere from carrying out his atrocity but that’s not the point. We will need a whole new bureaucracy of experts, rules, regulations, to ‘ make sure it can never happen again’. It will of course have no effect but will make the virtuous feel better. And as the years go by, these rules will become encrusted. An ever-larger set of encrusted rules, limiting freedoms and imposing restrictions on us all, for some greater good. Useless, not fit for purpose, but politically incapable of being rescinded.
    Mind how you go.

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  32. Fedup2 says:

    Sluff
    Worrying comment . Politicians will be outwoking each other .

    Mind you – even in such tragedy there is comedy . In this case an untrustworthy PM telling the british public that they must trust the police – yeah – as if …’ check your thinking ‘…

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  33. StewGreen says:

    BBC2 now Hillary Clinton special
    FFS It’s The Culture Show, why put a retired politician on ?

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    • StewGreen says:

      Viewer comments

      At 9pm on Sky Documentaries : 2 hours on Obama and that is only firsts of 3 episodes

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    • Garry Lavin says:

      Why?!!

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  34. StewGreen says:

    BBC1
    7pm : expert @ChrisGPackham and his step-daughter @MeganMcCubbin plugging their new wildlife series.
    + Jimmy Carr

    7:30pm Question of sport, now filled with non-sporty BBC-land people

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    • StewGreen says:

      Now is the BBC genuinely diverse
      Or do they have on the SAME people all the time
      but tickbox by putting a disproportionate number of black faces on each time ?

      8:30pm Richard Osman show features Sindhu Vee.

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      9pm WILTY is an outtakes show so also features Sindhu Vee.

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    • StewGreen says:

      9:30pm The Greg Davies drama

      10:35pm Greg Davies features on the Graham Norton show
      “Dave Grohl, Paralympian Kadeena Cox, singer Sophie Ellis-Bextor and comedian Greg Davies. Music comes from Jack Savoretti.”

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      Greg Davies is also on the repeat channels EVERY night
      Tonight : Never Mind the Buzzcocks 22:00, Sky Max & Sky Showcase
      2. Taskmaster 23:20, Dave

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  35. StewGreen says:

    Channel 5 trailer
    Jeremy Vine saying his quiz show Eggheads has switched from BBC 2 to Channel5

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  36. Nibor says:

    All day the Beeb has been making out that all women have a problem with all police .

    So they are told in effect not to co operate with them , even to the point of running away from them !

    Can we all do that ?

    Is it going to make our streets safer if half the population can run away from a policeman in the execution of his duty ?
    After they’ve run away is the crime solved , the lost child found , the person warned of an impending explosion or disaster?

    What if the person can’t run away from the policeman due to age , sickness or health ?

    Secondly BBC and other half wits , why do you think policemen approach women in the streets ? Usually it’s something to do with crime and keeping the Queen’s peace . Or do you BBC honestly think it’s with malignant intent ?

    And I said streets there , where I suppose it really means public places – but what about private premises ?
    For the Law to visit means they’ve been sent there by higher powers .
    Are we to presume that if the rozzers visit , even with a search warrant (usually if it’s to see a female it’s drugs or hiding their menfolks stolen property ) that it’s OK for the woman to leg it ?
    If two ladies are fighting in a pub is it right that the antagonist who’s inflicting the most grievous harm is allowed to run away ?
    All day the meme from the BBC is all woman good all policeman bad . The proper sense of proportion in a policeman In contact with a woman is policeman 99% good woman varies according to circumstances .
    And for god sake BBC point out that Impersonating a Police Officer is an offence .

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    • Fedup2 says:

      Nibor – the BBC is using the same technique it used to whip up a non existent fuel crisis ….

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      • StewGreen says:

        The BBC is always busy making sure its line of chosen Outrage-Buses are well FUELED

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  37. StewGreen says:

    Advert after advert

    Just now British Gas Hive
    “This is what being more sustainable looks like”

    then Purple Bricks

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  38. Zephir says:

    So, being more sustainable involves packing more and more people into one of the most densely populated areas of the planet, and anyone pointing this out is vilified as rascist

    The natural consequence will be the whole of the middle east and Africa shoulder to shoulder in London demanding a council house and benefits for their ever expanding family of eight or more

    thats sustainability in action

    Never mind, think of the vibrancy

    Insulate Britain from that would be a start

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