Stephen Pollard takes issue with a Michael Buchanan piece – which has since been stealth-edited.
As for the idea that, All the Danes can do now is hope the repeated apologies for the offence caused, by both the government and the newspaper, will end this unseemly row, has a sentence more indicative of the BBC world view ever been written? Take a running jump, Mr Buchanan. So much for the BBC as a stout defender of free speech.
Ah, Susan, that anyone else had the courage of your convictions. (Is there no Saudi embassy in the country where you live?)
Thom Boston, what made me so angry yesterday was the hypocrisy and double standards of the British authorities, especially the police, in allowing the Islamonutters to spout their blatant genocidal filth while at the same time harassing other people for having porcelain pigs on their front windowsills, etc. and the whole Nick Griffin trial. That’s why I wrote if I were “BRITISH” I’d be rioting in the streets. . .
I don’t see how demonstrating in front of the Saudi Embassy in the US (it’s a consulate, not an embassy, where I live, though) is related to that thought.
The anger is for the hypocritical Blair and the “one rule for the plumbing community, one rule for everyone else” double standards we clearly saw demonstrated yesterday. I love Britain and it breaks my heart to see this blatant miscarriage of justice being tolerated.
PS in the US we allow nutters to spout all kinds of violent lunacy in the street. But all nutters get to do it equally — black power racists and the Ku Klux Klan as well. We don’t have those one-sided hypocritical “hate-speech” laws that you have in Europe, that always seem to be used only against straight, white, conservative Christians.
That’s why I wrote if I were “BRITISH” I’d be rioting in the streets. .
Dangerous move Susan……………
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2004/20040036.htm
20 Power to make emergency regulations
(1) Her Majesty may by Order in Council make emergency regulations if satisfied that the conditions in section 21 are satisfied.
(2) A senior Minister of the Crown may make emergency regulations if satisfied-
(a) that the conditions in section 21 are satisfied, and
(b) that it would not be possible, without serious delay, to arrange for an Order in Council under subsection (1).
(3) In this Part “senior Minister of the Crown” means-
(a) the First Lord of the Treasury (the Prime Minister),
(b) any of Her Majesty’s Principal Secretaries of State, and
(c) the Commissioners of Her Majesty’s Treasury.
(3) Emergency regulations may make provision of any kind that could be made by Act of Parliament or by the exercise of the Royal Prerogative; in particular, regulations may-
(a) confer a function on a Minister of the Crown, on the Scottish Ministers, on the National Assembly for Wales, on a Northern Ireland department, on a coordinator appointed under section 24 or on any other specified person (and a function conferred may, in particular, be-
(i) a power, or duty, to exercise a discretion;
(ii) a power to give directions or orders, whether written or oral);
(b) provide for or enable the requisition or confiscation of property (with or without compensation);
(c) provide for or enable the destruction of property, animal life or plant life (with or without compensation);
(d) prohibit, or enable the prohibition of, movement to or from a specified place;
(e) require, or enable the requirement of, movement to or from a specified place;
(f) prohibit, or enable the prohibition of, assemblies of specified kinds, at specified places or at specified times;
(g) prohibit, or enable the prohibition of, travel at specified times;
(h) prohibit, or enable the prohibition of, other specified activities;
(i) create an offence of-
(i) failing to comply with a provision of the regulations;
(ii) failing to comply with a direction or order given or made under the regulations;
(iii) obstructing a person in the performance of a function under or by virtue of the regulations;
(j) disapply or modify an enactment or a provision made under or by virtue of an enactment;
28 Parliamentary scrutiny: prorogation and adjournment
(1) If when emergency regulations are made under section 20 Parliament stands prorogued to a day after the end of the period of five days beginning with the date on which the regulations are made, Her Majesty shall by proclamation under the Meeting of Parliament Act 1797 (c. 127) require Parliament to meet on a specified day within that period.
In short Susan there are new Terrorist Acts and Enabling Acts passed by the Blair regime which make your civil liberties and Habeas Corpus somewhat difficult to enforce
“But the thing is, where is the real action? I mean, there were Muslims protesting outside TV Centre in London within hours of the news breaking last night that the BBC would show these images. The anger – the rampant, incandescent anger – that flows through these pages towards that same organisation is surely as strong (indeed, many people feel that, to all intents and purposes, Islam = BBC). So why are Socialism Is Necrotizing, Ashley Pomeroy, Ritter etc not also standing there with their placards? You don’t even have to go to London – there are BBC local radio stations all over the country.”
Because they have jobs to go to?
An Englishwoman on another board said some Londoners tried to organize a counter demonstration and were told by the police they couldn’t even wave Danish flags.
So — in the new “Animal Farm” world of the UK, Danish flags are verbotten but placards reading, “kill the infidel” and “exterminate the English” are perfectly okay.
I see.
Rick — did Blair also get rid of double jeopardy? ‘Cause I read that Nick Griffin and his buddy would have a retrial although already acquitted of “race hate” charges.
I used to like Blair, like most Yanks who consider him a staunch ally, but not now.
“I thought that is what they had done to the great library at Alexandria”
unfortunately no. that rabble was made up of Christians.
Rick — did Blair also get rid of double jeopardy? ‘Cause I read that Nick Griffin and his buddy would have a retrial although already acquitted of “race hate” charges.
Yes Double Jeopardy is gone in cases I think where the A-G decides. However in the BNP trial they were acquitted on those charges and will be tried on the others where the jury could not agree a verdict.
At least they have a jury trial…….
I used to like Blair, like most Yanks who consider him a staunch ally, but not now.
Susan |
You should never “like” a politician. They are not friends but actors. They are either “effective” or “deficient” but liking them is a step too far…………….
“Rommel actually commited suicide after his involvement in the plot to kill Hitler was uncovered.”
yes grimer. i know that.
he was offered the choice of a show trial and hanging versus cyanide pill and a full state funeral, with his involvement hushed up by the nazi authorities.
supposedly quite a chivalrous chap in battle apparently. the average brit soldier considered him a proper “german” officer rather than a nazi, according to accounts from that time.
but that Times articles about the Nazis commiting crimes in the name of Christianity really got me pissed off , as its historically inaccurate – and also , its used as a pillar in their justification not to print some Danish cartons.
f***king spineless the British press – all f**king flag waving maniacs around the falklands war – and yet when it comes to freedom of speech they all cave in.
mr. disgusted from tunbridge wells – i’m having a pint with him.
Susan — I used to like Blair, like most Yanks who consider him a staunch ally, but not now.
Tony Blair is quite possibly the most dangerous man in the world if you measure him by what he say’s and what he does.
It is well documented in the amazing EU referendum blog
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/
that he has done more to undermine the UK’s relationship with the US than anyone in the last 100 years, especially in respect of defence percurement.
Pre 9/11, the US (Irish) funded the IRA with little regard
The ignorance of the US MSM is countered by the excellence of the US blogosphere:
http://dailyablution.blogs.com/the_daily_ablution/
http://ussneverdock.blogspot.com/
Freedom loving Americans should naturally despise Tony Blair for his perfidious treatment of the British electorate
I do however accept that if the UK and the US printed the “Cartoons” it would put our troops in Iraq under
the Nazis commiting crimes in the name of Christianity really got me pissed of
THat is no doubt why they started a campaign against the Catholic Church by writing articles accusing priests of child molestation; whythey arrested and executed so many priests in Poland; why Himmler created a Pagan Cult at Wewelsburg Castle.
The fact is that Hitler was “modern” and despised Christian Morality as Jewish puts him very much in the mainstream of many modern secularists
It is deplorable that the Bible should have been translated into German, and that the whole of the German Folk should have thus become exposed to the whole of this Jewish mumbo jumbo… As a sane German, one is flabbergasted to think that German human beings could have let themselves be brought to such a pass by Jewish filth and priestly twaddle, that they were little different from the howling dervish of the Turks and the negroes, at whom we laugh so scornfully. It angers one to think that, while in other parts of the globe religious teaching like that of Confucius, Buddha and Mohammed offers an undeniably broad basis for the religious-minded, Germans should have been duped by a theological exposition devoid of all honest depth. (Table Talk, 5th June, 1942)
Apologies for incomplete post. My daughter is crying and i am rocking her to sleep. Her foot pressed Enter. (Darn she is a keen Blogger) Its 5.15am and she is now asleep.
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Susan — I used to like Blair, like most Yanks who consider him a staunch ally, but not now.
Tony Blair is quite possibly the most dangerous man in the world if you measure him by what he say’s and what he does.
It is well documented in the amazing EU referendum blog
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/
that he has done more to undermine the UK’s relationship with the US than anyone in the last 100 years, especially in respect of defence percurement.
Traditional voting patterns still reign supreme in the UK with Labour playing on traditional class hatred and Welsh and Scottish votes to underwrite their political message. Even local party politics plays a strong hand in what ministers say. Our Foreign Secretary (Neville Straw) recently appeasing Muslims as he has a significant Muslim population in his own Blackburn constituancy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Straw_%28politician%29
Terrorism is certainly not new to our shores. Pre 9/11, the US (Irish) funded the IRA with little regard for the true issues at hand. Force over diplomacy. Thankfully we have a diplomatic solution in sight, with a lack of funding it is widely believed the IRA were forced to the negotiating table(Same to Hamas?). The BBC prints the same old apologetic rubbish it does today about Islam. I dont think it is as much pro Islam, but anti-British far-left leaning rubbish. I wouldn’t mind so much if it was pay-for-view but as a British citizen I am forced to fund it, and it supposedly represents my views.
The ignorance of the US MSM is countered by the excellence of the US blogosphere:
http://dailyablution.blogs.com/t…daily_ablution/ (US in UK)
http://ussneverdock.blogspot.com/ (US in UK)
I just wish more Brits would wake up, instead of leering at Girls Aloud.
Freedom loving Americans should naturally despise Tony Blair for his perfidious treatment of the British electorate, and his insidious slide towards federal a Europe.
I have read a lot about events this week regarding the cartoons, and I previously considered Europe spineless in all sorts of matters. However, their unified stance on the cartoons I find admirable. (I still hate federal(feral?) Europe)
I do however accept that if the UK and the US printed the “Cartoons” it would put our troops in Iraq under increased threat and therefore we dont need to go there ‘as such’, as it has already been said. Although I do not believe this was the reason why the British press decided not to print them. /Sigh.
Archduke: you are perpetuating another pc myth. The library at Alexandria was burnt after the muslim conquest on the orders of caliph Omar, who asked the librarian whether the books it contained agreed or disagreed with the words of the prophet. If they agreed… then there was no need for them, since there was already the koran, and they cd be burnt. If, on the other hand, they disagreed, then… they shd be burnt for blasphemy. See The Dialogue of John Philoponus with the Emir, in Ibn al-Kifti’s “Ta’rikh al-Hukama” (Chronicle of Wise Men), and cfr Eutychius’ “Annals” (II, Pococke’s ed, p.316)
Bob-> i stand corrected.
but i thought it coincided with the death of Hypathia, around 415 A.D.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypatia_of_Alexandria
maybe there was various burnings in different eras perhaps.
any answers yesterday – dimblebey has never heard about the danish imams going around the middle east and the fake cartoons.
any answers yesterday : the pro-muslim crowd appeared to be within the majority. very little time given to the free speech advocates.
i’ve counted, so far, 3 self expressed muslims given airtime. (remember 2 per cent of the population)
no mention of the death threats. the bomb threats. or the fake cartoons.
any answers yesterday – dimblebey has never heard about the danish imams going around the middle east and the fake cartoons.
It is quite salutary to realise just how poorly-informed people like Dimbleby really are – they are at an age [61] when they do not mix with the informed, do not surf the Web, do not read widely, and just mix with people who share their own prejudices formed in the 1960s. He hosts Any Answers from a studio in his own home which is a farm near Bath I think.
It is simply that they formed their ideas long ago and do not live like normal people, and are insulated in “BBC Bubble World” and the comfortable life money can buy.
melanie philips was on fine fighting form on “moral maze”
worth a listen.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/religion/moralmaze.shtml
Bob and Archduke: The Library of Alexandria was burned several times by several differnt people including Julius Caesar, Christian extremists and of course, finally, the Moslem invaders.
Rick, I find your comments rude offensive and patronising. This 50 something Baby Boomer, living in SE Asia, surfs the net daily,reads widely and is well informed on many subjects.
I must add that I care little for the Dimblebys. They are excellent examples of BBC nepotism at its worst.
Rick
I found your comments amusing.
Ex-armed forces, ex-UN peacekeeper,
ex-mercenary helping out in a secret war in the early seventies on the UK’s behalf. Instructor to Middle & Far Eastern Air forces.
Returned to the UK at the end of the seventies and spent over twenty years in the Police when they still were the Police, dealing with inner-city riots and seven months having to deal with the side of the miner’s strike that the Beeb doesn’t tell you about.
Spent my final years in intelligence work dealing with traffickers, money launderers, contract killers etc etc.
Not far off 60 and now retired to look after my one-year-old daughter.
In the mid seventies I had a standup row with a trot and a BBC man – he later went on to become head of BBC News. Since the early eighties I have loathed and detested the BBC and all its propaganda and never ceased to tell them or their employees.
Your quote “It is simply that they formed their ideas long ago and do not live like normal people, and are insulated in “BBC Bubble World” and the comfortable life money can buy” well maybe your right.
‘newkidontheblock’ – more like ‘oldfartinthemorgue’ I suppose.
Anyway thanks for the laugh.
The point I’m making above is that I was rucking with the Beeb possibly before you were born, but please feel free to amuse.