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Indeed, dave t – Germans good, Brits bad, Yanks worse – that ‘story’ fits so comfortably into the BBC view of the world.
“And all the mullahs were so touched and saw that the Germans respect the old religions and traditions.”
What a shame that all the mullahs didn’t respect the Buddhist religion and traditions and cheered as their stormtroopers, the Taliban, destroyed the ancient statues at Bamyan in 2001.
“And all the mullahs were so touched and saw that the Germans respect the old religions and traditions.”
And so nice of the German “Wehrmacht” to maintain the traditions of their forefathers….quoting Prussian sayings, displaying skulls and Afrika Corps badges…..what next ?
@max,
Accusing israeli’s of using poison gas against the palestinians is also classic attempt to recast the Israeli’s as Nazis.
I’m glad to know the BBC is complicit in promoting this sort of thing.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/crossing_continents/6176337.stm
Israel’s informers – real and imagined
Wednesday, 13 December 2006, 23:56 GMT
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“Amid the growing chaos in the West Bank, it estimates that approximately one person a day is killed having been accused of collaborating.”
Fascinating. How come the BBC has not reported on this in the past? Is our correspondent in gaza not aware of this?
Only now is the BBC reporting on the wholly dysfunctional nature of palestinian society.
When they can’t blame israel, the hate turns inwards.
“One former Shin Bet agent who spoke off the record described the collaborators who used to work for him as lemons:
“You squeeze the lemon and [when] it’s got no juice left, you throw it away.””
Chances are this quote existing inside of a context the BBC isn’t sharing with us.
I’m sure I’ve commented previously how it seems that come the weekend the BBC news website doesn’t have a proper picture editor/researcher available.
Quite an extraordinary picture accompanies Mark Mardell’s report of the EU summit:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6183449.stm
Captioned, “Turkey was what this summit was all about”
Better Druzes dancing than a slaughtered and half eaten camel on the runway at the main airport…… 😎
Accusing israeli’s of using poison gas against the palestinians is also classic attempt to recast the Israeli’s as Nazis.
Just par for the course:
‘Israel using AIDS against us’
(note the date and read the last paragraph)
Re: informers, remember this one?
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3298152,00.html#n
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3267655,00.html
dave t – just as well it wasn’t stuffed camel:
http://www.snopes.com/food/prepare/camel.asp
Don’t suppose we’ll be hearing about this anytime soon from the BBC –
– Israel was justified in invading Lebanon in the wake of the kidnapping of two of its soldiers by Hezbollah, respondents to a UPI-Zogby International poll said. A total of 57.6 percent of the 6,296 U.S. respondents to a Zogby interactive poll said Israel was “justified” in its response –
http://vitalperspective.typepad.com/vital_perspective_clarity/2006/12/poll_58_of_amer.html
Unless of course they can come up with and angle to ‘diss’ the US and Israel.
Another (D)HYS going against the BBC tide:
Who will win Gaza clashes?
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1164881897925&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
The student union at a prominent British university has voted to gag the Jewish Society from complaining against an increasingly intense anti-Israel campaign by the university’s Palestinian society.
The student union at the University of Leeds, home of a large Jewish student population, last Friday voted on a motion proposed by the Palestinian Solidarity Group to ignore complaints by the Jewish Society “as long as Judaism as a faith is not offended.”
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I’m not even sure what to think at this point.
Wonder if the BBC will report on this.
@Biodegradable in re Gaza Clashes.
I hope both sides lose.
from the very awesome EU Ref
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/12/told-you-so_15.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/ifs_news/hi/nb_rm_fs.stm?news=1&nbram=1&nbwm=1&nol_storyid=6185009
John Simpson brings us an ‘interview’ with Ehud Olmert. What a joke of an excuse for a ‘World Affairs Editor’. Witness his infuriating interviewing style based on constant interruptions and banal questioning. What an absolute hackjob 3-minute bit of ‘journalism’.
I hope both sides lose.
Market Participant | 16.12.06 – 1:00 am
It’s amazing the intellectual lengths people will go to in order to absolve the Phoneystinians of responsibility for their own actions and attempt to blame everything on Israel.
Added: Friday, 15 December, 2006, 12:43 GMT 12:43 UK
I believe that Palestinians killing each other is exactly what the Israelis want to happen. They have played Arabs off against each other for years. They tried to do the same over the summer in Lebanon, dropping propaganda leaflets from the air during the intervals when they weren’t dropping bombs. Israel and its occupation is the cause of this mess.
Cathy, Dorking, Surrey
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Added: Friday, 15 December, 2006, 12:41 GMT 12:41 UK
It is a testament to the resilience of the Palestinian people that they did not lapse into civil war years ago. To be living under a brutal and illegal occupation, to suffer displacement, curfews, checkpoints, assassinations, humiliations and long term unemployment – and then on top of everything to be labelled as the bad guys – would drive anyone to desperation.
Vince, Aylesbury, UK
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Those Zionists sure have some strong mojo working there that makes Arabs kill Arabs – oh the suffering, oh the unemployment!
Whats a guy to do except kill his ‘brothers’?
(PS, Dorking is not a verb)
terrorists killing other terrorists
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6183409.stm
best news i’ve heard in ages.
“We did not join this movement to become ministers but rather to become martyrs”
Ismail Haniya Palestinian Prime Minister
Now that Israel’s Supreme Court has ruled in favour of targeted assassinations I’m sure that can be arranged, if one of your ‘brothers’ doesn’t get you first.
for those who might be interested:
one columnist’s view of the bbc on john bolton and kofi annan
http://www.nysun.com/article/45163
Market Participant:
Record turnout for referendum: 😆 Read all about it here
A few minutes of surfing produced these gems:
Three days of heavy campaigning for the Union’s first Referendum has produced a turnout of 2,296, a significant increase on last year.
Zahira Bakir, a committee member of the Palestinian Solidarity Group, said: “Generally speaking, University democracy is very badly advertised – in terms of the 33,000 student body, most people seem to have no idea what’s going on …
We’re really happy with the number, but it’s only double the amount required to get a motion through.
Students were able to vote either ‘yes’ or ‘no’ on each of the motions, and the number of votes per motion has yet to be calculated.
Each requires 1,500 votes to go through.
In November the Student Union attempted to run the same (apparently – I couldn’t find the wording online) referendum and couldn’t even raise a legal quota.
Approximately 7% of the student body voted. Even in the unlikely event that all votes were valid and all voted for the motion that’s pathetic! :-:
I am willing to bet that these ~ have a guess what side of the political system they fall on ~ students, all, consider George Bush to be illegally elected.
Going to work for the BBC, after uni, are you, mate?
Jonathan Boyd Hunt | Homepage | 15.12.06 – 7:03 pm
J B-H – I do have my facts right. We were discussing news stories on the BBC site, so the relevant date is November 1977 – which is when the BBC News website (as it’s now called) or BBC News Online (as it was then called) was launched.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_News_Online
If you had actually bothered to read the wiki page you linked, then you would have known that the 94 site was originally a kind of club for early adopters that turned into a corporate website with some education pages.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bbc.co.uk
Your lack of attention to detail combined with a rude and aggressive tone and an over-eagerness to accuse others of getting things wrong just gets up people’s noses.
You’d get a better hearing if you’d just be a touch more diplomatic.
I guess that’s hard to do after 10 years of feeling the door’s always being slammed in your face…..but try it anyway.
The BBC does want to get at the truth.
I restate the problem:
Hamilton lost two libel actions. One – against the Guardian – by throwing in the towel. (I know he didn’t have much choice.) The second he lost fairly and squarely in front of a jury.
Until someone can show prima facie evidence of perjury, the BBC (and almost everyone else) will regard the case as closed and will not go round pestering witnesses. (There are plenty of guidelines I could quote back to you about respecting people’s privacy.)
If you want the matter re-opened – just get some evidence to back up your assertion that Fayed bribed/pressured the relevant witnesses.
If you’d just put 10 per cent of the time and effort you currently devote to denouncing and slagging off BBC journalists into finding a few hard facts, you’d have a scoop.
….ooops …..that should, of course, have been november 1997 – and there’s me lecturing you about attention to detail. Mea Culpa.
J B-H – I wish you well in your investigation. Please don’t take every comment I make as a challenge. Take some of the hints, at least.
Another story the Beeb have failed to highlight. Corporal of Horse Taff Flynn Blues and Royals. Won an MC this week to add to his CGC (2nd only to the VC) won in Iraq in 2003. So a brave bloke with two of the top awards for bravery within 2 years and the Beeb say nothing.
Oh, and Taff actually served in the Falklands conflict in 1982, got out for a while then came back in. So this is a guy who has been fighting for his country and winning the highest awards for bravery for some 20 odd years – why is his service, dedication and sheer bravery being ignored by the armchair warriors of the Beeb?
So what DO all those journalists do every day?
…lack of attention to detail combined with a rude and aggressive tone and an over-eagerness to accuse others of getting things wrong just gets up people’s noses.
For a minute I thought you were talking about yourself there, John Reith.
Jonathan Boyd Hunt has shown remarkable civility in the face of your sarcastic and snide assaults on his campaign and his character.
Jonathan Boyd Hunt has shown remarkable civility in the face of your sarcastic and snide assaults on his campaign and his character.
Hear hear. *heads nodding in unison throughout blogdom*
Having said that….most of these threads are being highjacked for looooooooooong posts twixt JR and JBH. 8-(
blogdom. I like that one. Might borrow it from you.
Re the lenghty debates, I’ve struggled through most of them, tending to get lost in the detail. But this is why God gave us the scroll bar.
Jonathan Boyd Hunt,
Perhaps you could give us a concise summary – just a minimal skeletal outline in a few dozen lines in point form, if possible, of what happened?
Um… should be lengthy.
Bryan:
There’s a doc on my website that is about as concise as I can make it without it being so concise that it leaves too many unanswered questions.
This doc does not refer to any documentary proof because to do so would make it too complex to understand. But trust me, the proof exists to support every contention and statement of fact therein.
It’s called “The Concise True Story of the Cash for Questions Affair” and you can find it here:
http://www.guardianlies.com/Section%202/page2.html
I’m sorry but even a really tight account would take too long for a thread.
bbc (and much of the british MSM) and half the story.
in all the recent media coverage of the post office having to close down thousands of outlets , did you hear any mention of the 2009 deadline for the creation of a single EU postal market?
http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/06/1419&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en
thought not.
oddly enough, the post office closures are due to be completed by …. 2009
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article2076202.ece
Byan:
Okay, here’s a really tight account:
After 10 years of rumours about London’s top lobbyist, in Oct 1994 The Guardian took advantage of Fayed’s anger over his passport and published a story claiming Fayed, one of the lobbyist’s clients, had approached the paper and “revealed” his lobbyist had bribed MPs years earlier.
However it then emerged that at the time Fayed had given his consent to the story he had been in a rage over his failure to get citizenship. And so, the Guardian fabricated documents to show falsely that Fayed had made cash for questions allegations 15 months earlier and so could not have been motivated by his passport.
Meanwhile, in the aftermath of the story, Fayed made additional allegations that Hamilton had received money from him too, in addition to payments from the lobbyist.
Two years later, ten days before the trial was due to begin, The Guardian discovered that it had based its defence on a mistaken premise about the lobbyist. And so Fayed helped out by coercing three witnesses to bolster The Guardian’s defence.
That’s about it, but there are many facets to the conspiracy. I’m sorry but I cannot use this forum to answer questions otherwise it would really be akin to a hijacking. Read my book and report back.
page 1 of that guardianlies link
“which revealed Fayed to be a vengeful liar who had bought the company with £615 million cash that he had stolen from the world’s then richest man, the Sultan of Brunei. ”
what an odd statement to make. stealing 615 million would be worthy of a police investigation. oddly enough, i dont recall banner headlines about Fayed’s stolen millions, nor any police investigation – one would have thought that somebody as rich as the Sultan would have instigated criminal proceedings against Fayed.
Ghost of John Trenchard:
All fair points. “Stolen” conveys lucidly what Fayed did. “Took without the Sultan’s authority and knowledge” would be more exact but that sounds weasel-wordy.
The Sultan was keen not to lose face. Fayed eventually paid him back after mortgaging the House of Fraser company.
My, my, my, what an ethical dilemma the Beeb has on its hands. How to demonstrate its distaste for a Holocaust Denial hatefest in Iran (which after all, any polite Brit would certainly do) while completely ignoring the fact that the president of its beloved Palestinians is none other than “moderate” Mahmoud Abbas — an unrepentant Holocaust Denier who won his PhD (subsequently published as a book) on the subject from a Russian university.
One of these days, the Beeb might actually connect the dots on the raison d’etre of the Palestinians and then — watch out!
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=6340
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/politics_show/6161847.stm?dynamic_vote=ON#vote_6161847
Tebbit or Maggie….. It’s a very difficult decision.
I just tried to vote for Maggie and ‘the page is down’
I never thought I’d say it, but, kudos to Frances Harrison.
Where Holocaust denial is welcomed
Funnily enough, I just sent a comment to the BBC’s Have Your Say {or don’t have your say, depending on who is “moderating” there on this Saturday afternoon) mentioning Abbas’s Holocaust denial.
They really are cherry-picking their comments. Every few hours they plonk another handful down on the page. They’ve already ignored one of mine.
It’s quite an interesting topic:
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=1&threadID=5042&start=0&tstart=0&&&&edition=2&ttl=20061216152754
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=29463&in_page_id=34
BBC Three has commissioned a raft of programmes with titles like Teens Addicted To Porn, Me And My Man Breasts, Lucy: Teenage And Transsexual, My Big Breasts And I, F*** Off I’m A Hairy Woman, and Sex Talk With Mum And Dad.
Grimer,
I accessed the page OK.
Maggie’s running second, 1 percentage point behind Tony Benn.
Biodegradable,
Yes, I commented a while back on what looks like an extraordinary movement against the BBC tide by Frances Harrison:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments…1593760/ #321534
But she really hits hard in the From Our Own Corresponent article you linked to.
Did you notice the blurb on the link at the bottom of the page?
Conference of hate
Iran’s empty claim to champion freedom of speech over Holocaust.
Great stuff. Maybe someone can get a screen shot of it before some “editor” whips it off the page.
I’d do it, but I dunno how.
Er…sorry… here’s that link again:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/patrickcrozier/116561585021593760/#321534
Bryan, yes I saw your previous comment too. It’ll be interesting to see how far she can go before being expelled, or worse.
Let’s hope she’ll be OK. Wasn’t it Shakespeare who said Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned?
I think the lady’s been scorned and she’s hitting back:
But when all the delegates were taken to see President Ahmedinejad for a mutual admiration session, the BBC, unlike other foreign media, was excluded from covering it. So much for Iranian freedom of speech.
On JBH’s battle with the BBC and JR, JR wrote:
“Hamilton lost two libel actions. One – against the Guardian – by throwing in the towel. (I know he didn’t have much choice.) The second he lost fairly and squarely in front of a jury.
Until someone can show prima facie evidence of perjury, the BBC (and almost everyone else) will regard the case as closed and will not go round pestering witnesses. ”
I don’t think that is acceptable. There isn’t a day goes by when I don’t read of miscarriages of justice, falsified evidence, perjury etc. all at the core of our justice system played by dodgy characters like Fayed and Maxwell (RIP). People like JBH are right to pursue cases such as ‘cash for questions’.
“I don’t think that is acceptable. There isn’t a day goes by when I don’t read of miscarriages of justice, falsified evidence, perjury etc. all at the core of our justice system played by dodgy characters like Fayed and Maxwell (RIP). People like JBH are right to pursue cases such as ‘cash for questions’.”
F***ing Hell, time for another Diana enquiry then…
It was William Congreve who invented the phrase “Nor Hell a fury like a woman scorned.”
He also came up with the aphorism: “No mask like open truth to cover lies”, which is perhaps closer to the BBC’s usual method.
Thanks for that, pedant!
Come to think of it, the BBC should adopt No mask like open truth to cover lies as its motto.
How’s this for a tag line ?
“Iraq’s Shia and Sunni Arabs have both faced sectarian attacks.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6185243.stm
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/politics_show/6161847.stm#vote_6161847
“Tebbit or Maggie….. It’s a very difficult decision.
Grimer | 16.12.06 – 3:24 pm |”
ahem.
that’d be Tebbit (pbuh), if you dont mind.
Just watching Robin Hood, and the plot is about people who don’t pay their tax being rounded up and sent to prison. ‘Very brave’ of the writers to address the TV Licence in their script.
Jonathan Boyd Hunt,
I read the basic outline of your case on your website and it does seem compelling. I now see that it’s ridiculous to expect you to provide a concise summary of the whole affair in a few dozen lines.
I know this has been pointed out before, but it might be advantageous if you could find a way to organise the site better, for example by providing direct links from the main body of the text to the more detailed evidence. It’s difficult to navigate around the site as it stands and people these days have very short attention spans.
I found it interesting that John Reith popped in here today to cross swords with you. He rarely works weekends. I think you’ve got him worried.
Wedgewood Benn, Viscount Stansgate etc etc son of a toff etc etc. Only ever held one ministerial job, Postmaster General and screwed that one up as well. Since then has reverted to barking mad toff who makes wild claims that are accepted in good faith because of who he is…the so called enfant terrible of politics.
Maggie. Daughter of a grocer who fought every step of the way to get to university, into politics and eventually helped restore a darned sight more pride in Britons than the current lot ever have with their ‘we love Cool Britannia, love the Army etc’ but always fail to provide the kit they need to survive let alone fight properly. Liars all.
Not much of a choice really is it for sensible people? Then again the Beeboids tend to be the ones who shudder when her name is mentioned yet somehow seem to have a good standard of living and more women in positions of authority thanks to her…. hypocrites all.