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I bought the guardian this morning. (‘IF’ was a hoot)
And two stories stuck out;
Gaza fighting casts shadow over PM’s visit
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1974397,00.html
And
Iranian students hide in fear for lives after venting fury at Ahmadinejad
http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,1974334,00.html
Now both of the above stories show the world that the phrase “The Religion of Peace” is a bloody oxymoron. So can one of the regular BBC clones please explain why the BBC has remained stumm on the above two. People are getting shot on a daily basis between the two most popular militant factions in Palestine and the BBC has nothing to say. Why when ever a terrorist fears for his life when a Jew even as much as looks at him the BBC is the first in which to promote that story as injustice. So why the silence when the faithful are killing their own?
As for the latter, Oh how the BBC had no problem selling the story of free speech in Iran the other day. Problem is there is no such thing as ‘Free Speech’ under Islam. (Never mind Iran) So why the silence BBC?
On another note;
“Out to DaveT”
If you get the chance have a butchers at “Over there” Ok lots of mistakes but its actually very good.
How can the troubles in the Palestinian territories be resolved?
(D)HYS not going the way Beeboid’s would like…
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=2&threadID=5042&edition=1&ttl=20061218201154&#paginator
I liked –
Added: Friday, 15 December, 2006, 13:21 GMT 13:21 UK
Everybody’s ( Israel/America ) fault except the Palestinians eh? Do a brain check will you!
Dave, Reading
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We’ve got our very own ‘brain check’ case here. JR, when do the ‘technical difficulties’ begin on that forum?
The above was me.
On the subject of the conservatives, hamilton et al, I don’t believe anyone is denying that the tories were in quite a state by the end of 96 but it seems to me that the Hamilton affair may well have been the straw that broke the camel’s back. And have we had any substantive reporting of simlar affairs in the labour party? Cash for honours, anyone? The sitting PM being questioned by police and it isn’t headline news? Something like that is simply unheard of, yet the tories are still remembered as the “party of sleaze”, largely in thanks to the efforts of the same media that is now ignoring the current, far worse behaviour.
There are a lot of ifs and maybes involved, but the evidence is swaying me to believe that the tories might not have lost the 97 election were it not for the behaviour of the media. Whether they would have survived the next is anyones guess (I reckon not, unless they really cleaned up their act because, lets face it, they were stinking to high heaven at that point).
archonix -> i just think that john major’s heart wasnt in it. he just gave up.
lets face it – he wasnt exactly a fiery character.
Archduke – you are quit right John Major was not the most charasmatic of leaders – but I for one would trust him more than the present marxist dictator we have in No 10 now.
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“but I for one would trust him more than the present marxist dictator we have in No 10 now.
Jon | 19.12.06 – 12:52 am | # ”
i wouldnt – he had no command,no charisma and was an utter fucking wimp of a man.
By contrast , Blair has balls – like it or lump it – but for Blair to go into Iraq took a lot of balls. we underestimate our enemy at our peril
Well said archduke.
………………on both counts.
BBC promotes muslim victimology.
Muslim alienation risk in Europe
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6189675.stm
“Muslims feel that acceptance by society is increasingly premised on ‘assimilation’ and the assumption that they should lose their Muslim identity.”
It is difficult to put it much better than that.
archduke | 19.12.06 – 12:53 am
I would agree that there should be separate thread for the beeb&grauniad conspiracy but I’m not prepared to side with reith’s trolling as a means of getting the subject off the agenda altogether.
Pat Finucane’s widow and Walter Wolfgang. This morning’s Today offering for the repeal of laws. There’s no subtlety left in your bias, Beeboids.
Pat Finucane was identified by a top IRA defector as a key IRA operative. I take it the Beeboids will be asking someone from the UVF for their ideas? The Johnny Adair memorial battalion?
and we have clashes that are “fresh” and erupting all by themselves in Gaza
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6192123.stm
ah – but its not iraq, so the beeb wont mention the phrase “civil war”…
its just “clashes”. nothing to worry about. move along.
“Rueful Red | 19.12.06 – 9:39 am |”
his three brothers were active IRA members – one of whom was shot dead in Gibraltar by the SAS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Finucane
i dont suppose “Today” mentioned that little bit of background information? no?
The BBC and reporting the news.
Libya sentences medics to death
A Libyan court has sentenced five Bulgarian nurses and a Palestinian doctor to death for knowingly infecting hundreds of Libyan children with HIV.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/6192599.stm
Now contrast that BBC report on a death sentence and this one;
Florida governor halts executions
Florida Governor Jeb Bush has halted executions in the US state after a flawed death by lethal injection.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6185007.stm
Guess which one the BBC has the human rights lobby bitching about a cruel method of despatching people to meet their maker and which one it doesn’t? In fact BBC how about getting some spokesman from the Islamic human rights lot, the Muslim council of Britain and lets not forget that silly moo from ‘Liberty’ in which to express their disgust at the way these people are going to hear “Allah Ackba” before the lights go out for them. I’m sure the BBC could fly a female reporter from either Pakistan or South Africa in which to report on this case.
Funny enough the BBC didn’t use their breaking news coverage in which to publish this story. But how they washed the boards with the story when a British murderer was released from a Pakistani prison the other month.
The BBC and reporting the news.
Very interesting discussion on “Start the Week” yesterday with Andrew Marx.
He was talking with Vanessa Whitburn editor of “The Archers”. This programme has had a lot of flak recently for two bizarre non-rural story lines. In one, Ruth and David have been happily married for hundreds of years and within 3 weeks she is at the point of having an affair with the cow man. The other involves a gay wedding.
Andrew Marx asks her: “are you under pressure to be politically correct – do you get a phone call telling you to build a mosque in Ambridge?”
Her reply was very telling – like the Jeff Randall quote: “No its not like that – we just capture the spirit of the times – the zeitgeist – what everyone’s talking about”
That sums up everything that’s wrong at the BBC: they really do think that the whole country is 60 million fellow-Islingtonians sipping wok-fried latte and feeling vibrant.
Jack Hughes wrote;
Her reply was very telling – like the Jeff Randall quote: “No its not like that – we just capture the spirit of the times – the zeitgeist – what everyone’s talking about”
That may explain why Eastenders is predominately white. (Not a Burka/Hijab/mosque in sight) Anybody been darn the East End of late? Spot the white man isn’t a joke.Yet to the BBC East London is all white. (With a few spots of colour)
archduke – the JBH-JR debate is good and his last allegation – and I quote
(It is precisely because the BBC’s political staff know that Bond, Bozek and Bromfield were coerced that they’ve never sought to interview them.)
is a particularly strong one (if true) of BBC bias; JBH maybe you can support this somehow or is it just a supposition based on the circumstantial evidence that they haven’t been interviewed?
I suppose the corollary might be that if (say) darling of the left had been accused of taking money by some rich Israeli, and the rich Israeli had produced 3 witnesses at the last minute who supported the case, would the BBC similarly just have ignored them had a jury found against the left winger ….
It might just be that the BBC (rightly) fear litigation if they open up any inquiry on the Hamilton matter and have decided long ago that it’s better to put it to bed and ignore their own guidelines.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Today at 8.10am has an exclusive report on “Iraq” – a topic not often discussed…..
archduke – agree completely on the Hamas/Fatah reporting. Armed factions shooting at each other, all from one place, competing for power over that territory. What was that term that described this kind of conflict? Oh yes, ‘clashes’.
I note that the BBC are not covering the Muslim oppression of Christians in Bethlehem in the run up to Christmas. There have been murders and general anti-Christian activities for a while now. I seem to remember in previous years regular “shock horror” stories re Israeli oppressive activities in Bethlehem.
Jack Hughes writes:
“Her reply was very telling – like the Jeff Randall quote: “No its not like that – we just capture the spirit of the times – the zeitgeist – what everyone’s talking about” ”
I suppose Marr delicately avoided asking la Whitburn whether she might happen to have a dog in that race, herself?
It’s interesting to see the circularity of the logic the ‘liberals’ at the BBC try to get away with on issues like this. Within the past few days I have heard some twitering imbecile on R4 claim that ‘gay marriage’ (sic) is now accepted as quite normal – the proof being that it has been featured on The Archers.
Presumably, the same would be true were Joe Grundy to start eating babies?
It is ‘normal’ and ‘accepted’ because liberals say so. Ah! I see it all now!
John Reith
Errrrm, you are actually supporting my point against your own conclusion. The stories were, as you said, on the BBC website. They were news stories – the election was a news story, so the fact that the BBC called that section of their website an election website, and had not yet branded it “BBC News” is irrelevant. It looked like a duck and quacked like a duck.
You are making the same mistake as many BBC people, when they blindly, sycophantically accept groups branding themselves “pacifist”, “moderate”, “environmental”, “democratic” or with some other positive ideal when by their words and actions they are anything but. Are you sure you’re speaking for yourself not the BBC? You make a lot of very typical BBC misunderstandings.
JBH
Cheers!
I’m always up for a good discussion, and have always hated the disingenuous arguments of many socialists and self-styled “liberals”. Good luck to you!
Archduke to Barnes Wallis:
“For God’s sake man stop playing with marbles and bowls of water – there’s a bloody war on!”
Archdule to J. Robert Oppenheimer:
“You want how much money? For just two bombs?”
I pull your leg Archduke but I really do take your point about the column inches – I’ve been mindful myself – so I hope you take my point too in good spirits.
But, I submit, your understandable irritation with the particular case study of BBC bias that I bring to these pages only serves to undermine the Great Effort and cause splits in the ranks. That’s not good.
I don’t have to tell you, the greatness of B-BBC is that it is a self-perpetuating notice board of BBC bias that also serves as a forum. There’s a real sense of community and common struggle here against the mighty Ministry of Truth. And, unlike exists among the Beeboids, there’s not a trace of Group Think here for sure.
You might consider that JR going off in all directions – and maybe David Chase too – could have been designed precisely to put me in the position whereby I either refused to engage, reflecting bad on me, or did so and risk the “hijack” charge. In the event I answered but kept things really tight.
As for setting up a separate blog. Hmm. Not so sure. Divide and rule and all that. How many other biased BBC blogs are out there? How many still thrive and prosper? How many have become stagnant? Check out the links on the right of the home page and you’ll see quite a few have foundered.
Maybe Natalie could indeed set up a separate thread off the main page somewhere. This would enable those who wanted to learn more about what I contend is the best case of sustained, illegal, deliberate BBC censorship ever documented, without having to leave the site.
I’ll leave that thought on the table. But if it helps anyone come to a view, they might take on board the words of the historian Paul Johnson, who, last Friday, was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by George W. Bush:
“The scandal will not disappear. Hunt’s findings are now in print, on the record, and will be read, and studied, and followed up. The truth will continue to smoulder beneath the surface, as it did in the Dreyfus case, and will one day burst into fearsome flames which will engulf all those who tried to bank them down.”
For those who wish to read Paul’s article from The Spectator of November 7 1998, you can read/download an exact JPEG copy here:
http://img286.imageshack.us/img286/5241/19981107thespectatorci2.jpg
For those who wish to read last Thursday’s Daily Mail interview of Paul, a high-res A4-sized JPEG can be read/downloaded here:
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7388/7909ba8.jpg
JBH:
great, fine… now let’s let it smoulder
Much like the “home-made” “virtually harmless” guff that the Beeboids always made sure was in their copy whenever they described the latest Palestinian rocket attacks into Israel, isn’t it amusing that they can’t describe the current violent clashes between Hamas and Fatah without slotting in something like “Fighting between the two factions has paralysed the Hamas- led administration – which itself has been crippled by an international embargo against it.”
I don’t think Hamas has been “crippled” by the international community. It’s crippled by its own chronic inability to see that the Palestinian interest might be best served by seeking a just settlement with Israel rather than continuing to eradicate it militarily with the support of its Iranian and Syrian backers.
The BBC and half the story.
The BBC reports on the death of an Old sailor;
Veteran of both world wars dies
The last British serviceman to serve in both World War I and World War II has died aged 106.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/6192997.stm
“In 1918 he witnessed nurses’ bodies floating in the ocean after a Canadian hospital ship was illegally destroyed by the Germans.”
Illegally destroyed BBC? Well I suppose that’s another way of saying “War crime” The BBC so quick to refer to the rough treatment of POWs in Iraq as “Crimes against humanity” Refers to the sinking of a well documented Hospital Ship (H.M.H.S. LLANDOVERY CASTLE) by a German U-boat (U-86) as an illegal destruction. Whose Captain then went onto surface and murder the survivors in order to hide his crime. But then I’m talking about a major news agency which has no problem covering up for the real villains of this world.
The BBC and half a story.
I don’t seem to be able to find this story on the bbc website or on ceefax. Can anyone help? Or is this news that I shouldn’t be told about.
‘A member of a notorious street gang has been jailed for life after stabbing a care worker to death in an attempt to impress his friends.
Anwar Hussain, 17, part of the Muslim Boys gang, knifed care worker Charles Anokye at a Brixton nightclub after the victim had accidentally hit another gang member with his drink bottle, the Old Bailey heard.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=423627&in_page_id=1770
Shock horror!!
bbc upholds complaint (by 4 viewers).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=FDZ251PUK4ROLQFIQMGSFFWAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2006/12/18/ngay18.xml
Bishop scorns drunkenness claims.
“He remembers nothing after leaving the Irish embassy and arriving home, but still believes he was mugged.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6192265.stm
Is this what they mean by the phrase ‘bashing the bishop’?
TPO wrote;
“Anwar Hussain, 17, part of the Muslim Boys gang”
In defence of the media and Islam here. The Muslim boys gang is only Islamic in name. They have nothing to do with Islam and are disowned by every good fearing muslim.
P.S
Did i mention its a Black youth gang.
pounce
‘They have nothing to do with Islam’
I didn’t know that.
Allegedly there are 600 rapes a year in Oslo, 400 by ‘immigrant non-western’ men….nothing on the Beeb about this though nor the demand by some moron of a liberal academic that Norwegian women should not wear provocative clothing…I’m sure the Vikings were rather less politically correct in the old days – shows how far these liberal wishy washies have borrowed into opinion shows and papers…
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/12/oslo_has_six_times_the_number_of_rapes_as_new_york_city/
I disagree with Archduke re JBH. His (JBH’s) posts are about media bias (including the BBC’s) and therefore do interest general readers of this blog, some of them anyway.
John Reith’s replies are bizarre – and it is his posts that are often thoughtlessly lengthy and oddly coma-inducing. I think he would prefer a separate thread that only aficionados would bother with and thereby reduce the audience of the disinterestedly curious.So I would rather JBH’s comments stayed mixed in with the others (which are often brilliant, hurrah for you all), where they don’t do any harm except to give Archduke apoplexy complicated by Tourette’s Syndrome. It’s not difficult, after all, for the absolutely bored, to scroll down quickly.
Merry Christmas to you all and especially to the creators of this blog.
la marquise:
Thank you very much for that – Merry Christmas to you too.
However I do think Archduke speaks for a few people, and that his concerns are justified. Posts about my stuff do sometimes develop a life of their own.
So do I suddenly become silent about my story of 9 years’ illegal censorship by the BBC of a major political story, as, no doubt, John Reith would have me do? JR’s views don’t concern me, but I’m not in the business of pissing off the good guys.
JBH writes:
“So do I suddenly become silent about my story of 9 years’ illegal censorship by the BBC of a major political story, as, no doubt, John Reith would have me do? JR’s views don’t concern me…”
Nor do they concern me. The entity calling itself Reith appears unable to concede what even the likes of Andrew Marr readily admits to: the “liberal” prejudices and biases of the BBC.
In that situation, debate ceases to serve any purpose. You can’t reason with a mind shut like a trap.
As for your crusade over the Hamilton case, for what little my opinion is worth, I have no objection to its presence here. I find it no more tiresome than the endless posts about the Palestine/Israel conflict: both have me reaching for the scroll button at times.
Personally, I would like to see the BBC attacked on a far broader front (and was glad to see the post from Jack Hughes today, doing just that) as I maintain the evil done by the BBC pours as readily – and even more dangerously – from its “entertainment” output, as its news.
Naturally, The decision rests, as it should, with the owners of this fine blog, but if a reader’s view is sought, that’s mine. This subject is no worse, nor any more tedious, than several others.
Appearing on the Jeremy Vine show today discussing ‘Are racist comments unacceptable and would you challenge them’;
1. Billy Bragg
2. Rod Liddle
3. Yasmin Alibai Brown
The thought of Billy Bragg adjudicating on what I say is acceptable or unacceptable is an anathema to me.
This is the man who was “interviewed” by bbc news 24 outside of a Fabian meeting and allowed to rant, unchallenged, that members of UKIP were racist and probably members of the BNP as well.
I complained to the bbc about this at the time and emailed UKIP to tell them. The bbc responded by saying that they weren’t responsible for what interviewees said.
If I vote at the next election it will be for UKIP.
I presume that the bbc uses the licence tax to pay ‘appearance’ fees to the likes of Bragg and Alibai Brown.
Whilst archduke is correct to write that we should be getting on with knocking blocks off the BBC for its sledgehammer bias (no longer subtle, as mentioned previously), it doesn’t actually get us anywhere. JBH’s case, on the other hand, is more likely to yield substantial results and that is why I am interested in it. What I’d advise JBH to do is to join the threads as they develop but also keep us posted on his own particular matter. The time is coming when some assistance may be needed from contributors from this and other sites. It is noteworthy how agitated JR becomes when JBH challenges him/her/them.
TPO writes:
“I presume that the bbc uses the licence tax to pay ‘appearance’ fees to the likes of Bragg and Alibai Brown.”
The BBC loses no opportunity to promote the career (such as it is) of Bragg. He pops up like a jack-in-a-box all over the place and yet it’s hard to see why.
Could it be that BBC producers think that simply because he sounds like a yob, he somehow represents the opinions of hoi polloi? If so, that says more about BBC producers than they would like us to know!
What is it with the people who compile the bbc website:
US and N Korea discuss sanctions
‘US treasury officials met their North Korean counterparts to discuss US financial sanctions imposed a year ago – which Pyongyang demands to be lifted.’
‘The US blacklisted the bank in November 2005, saying it was linked to alleged money-laundering and counterfeiting by Pyongyang.’
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6192323.stm
If they had bothered to look in their own backyard they would know that these aren’t mere allegations.
PANORAMA
THE SUPER DOLLAR
RECORDED FROM TRANSMISSION: BBC-1 DATE: 20:06:04
LAWN: Tonight, using exclusive surveillance footage, Panorama goes on the trail of the superdollar. We follow the tracks of a counterfeiting cartel around the world, from the rogue states of North Korea.
(This bit is actually misleading, its not Panorama’s surveillance footage, nor do they follow the tracks. That was done by the UK National Crime Squad & the FBI & the US Secret Service, but most certainly not ‘spooks’ MI5)
KOREAN DEFECTOR: In North Korea this project is as important as the nuclear programme.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/programmes/panorama/transcripts/superdollar.txt
They could have looked here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdollar
Or here: http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/north-korea-running-counterfeit-racket-says-us/2005/12/13/1134236063737.html
Or here: http://www.dailynk.com/english/read.php?cataId=nk00100&num=1043
Not only did it involve North Korea, but the IRA and an ex-KGB hitman residing in the UK.
I am largely with Allan and JBH, for the simple reason that the media and the BBC are implicated in a big way in his scandal and his research carries a multitude of little examples of BBC bias. Also, I feel JBH brings out the worst in John Reith, and discredits him, which is surely to be welcomed on here.
Occasionally a little more brevity would be welcome, and avoid hijacking the threads, but I am convinced that JBH is generally a force for good on here.
Not to be seen anytime soon on the Beeb…
As many as 26 local Afghan men were executed by the Taliban yesterday and their headless bodies put on public display around a local village
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=368d29bb-a785-4669-9c7e-700155144307&k=15869
Meanwhile, in Beeb world…
Saddam Hussein was sentenced to death in November over the killing of 148 people following an assassination attempt against him in the mainly Shia town of Dujail in 1982.
Judges also passed death sentences on Saddam’s half-brother Barzan al-Tikriti and Iraq’s former chief judge Awad Hamed al-Bandar.
A panel of nine judges will now review the verdict, which has been criticised by human rights groups as flawed.
Flawed?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6193863.stm
oooh – they’ve upgraded it from “clashes” to “anarchy”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6193193.stm
cue tons of questioning by the Today team to any Pallywood rep about “civil war”… yeah – in our dreams.
Merry Crimbo to all of you. I will be working in Baghdad over Christmas for my sins.
Unlike the BBC reporters, I am staying and living outside of the International Zone (Green Zone)
I work with the locals very closely.
Yes, the situation is not great, but you’d be suprised how life goes on and is not as bad as the Beeb force feed us all back home.
I’ll try to post regularly from here, about life in Baghdad.
So get your news from me, rather than that leftist propaganda machine.
Good luck Tim and stay safe…
Take care Tim and good luck.
Your posts will be most welcome, but make sure you come home safe and sound.
Thank you, Tim and good luck!