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“FookSirIqbal:
Sir Iqbal Asks:
When is the Next Hen Night at Tiger Tiger?
Those Chippendale boys all oiled up!Sir Iqbal is a little horny! Quick another Nasheed or I go to hell!
its a good once Allah be praised”
AH HA! So that’s why they bombed the nightclub. They don’t like Chippendales because it reminds them of there own raging repressed homosexuuality.
It is hard to know when one is being over-sensitive, as so often when a complaint is made it is rebuffed by ‘stop living on the memory of the holocaust and crying victim’ type crap, and I do try not to fall into over-sensitive misinterpretations of perfectly innocent comments, articles etc.
However, this is the opening to the BBC Religion and Ethics – Islam page (http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/oppressedpeacelovinginnocents/):
Islam began in Arabia and was revealed to humanity by the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Those who follow Islam are called Muslims.
This is the opening to the same page about the Joos (http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/fuckingyidscum/):
Jews believe that God appointed the Jews to be his chosen people in order to set an example of holiness and ethical behaviour to the world.
In this case it certainly seems that one introduction is a description of the conception of a religion presented as fact “…and was revealed to humanity by the Prophet…” – apparently Muslims don’t believe that Muhammed revealed the religion, or that he was a prophet, this is a given fact – emphasised by the capital ‘P’ in prophet – whereas the other is a comment on one aspect of Judaism and written so as to make certain that the veracity of this belief is clearly to be doubted “Jews believe that…” (leaving the unspoken rejoinder “but the rest of us don’t”) and clearly opening the entire description of Judaism with a comment that can very easily be taken negatively (i.e. in terms of “what a bunch of self-righteous twats”) as, although true in essence, it is presented entirely out of context.
If they have to open with one Jewish belief picked out of many, and based on the relationship of the Jewish people to the rest of the world, how about “Judaism is the first monotheistic religion, based around the ten commandments it is believed that all whom follow these basic laws will enter heaven, whether Jewish or Gentile.” Wouldn’t that be just as relevant to non-Jews reading the site, possibly with little to no knowledge of Judaism?
Further, add to this that the BBC, quite rightly, write on the Islam page ‘(pbuh)’ after every mention of Muhammed as this is according to Muslim sensibilities and all Muslims assiduously adhere to this policy, but on the Judaism page consistently write ‘G-d’ in its fullness, despite the fact that Jews equally as assiduously avoid ever writing this, thus railroading Jewish sensibilities.
To be fair, one should look at their opening of other religions, maybe just to look at two is picking and choosing conveniently.
Christianity: Christianity is the world’s biggest religion, with about 2.1 billion followers worldwide. It is based on the teachings of Jesus Christ who lived in the Holy Land 2,000 years ago.
Bahai: The Bahá’í faith is one of the youngest of the world’s major religions. It was founded by Baha’u’llah in Iran in the 19th century.
Buddhism: Buddhism is a tradition that focuses on personal spiritual development. Buddhists strive for a deep insight into the true nature of life and do not worship gods or deities.
Shinto: Shinto has no known founder or single sacred scripture. Shinto is wholly devoted to life in this world and emphasises man’s essential goodness.
Sikhism: Sikhism was founded in the Punjab by Guru Nanak and is a monotheistic religion. Sikhs think religion should be practiced by living in the world and coping with life’s everyday problems.
Zoroastrianism: Zoroastrianism is one of the world’s oldest monotheistic religions. It was founded by the prophet Zoroaster in ancient Iran approximately 3500 years ago.
Interesting.
Particularly if you pay close attention to the fact that apparently Zoroaster doesn’t warrant a capital ‘P’ in his title which would, at the least, display a certain consistency.
Further Zoroastrianism was apparently founded in Iran, but Christianity in ‘the Holy Land’, not Israel. Yes, it’s true that at the time Israel was called Judea, but this is the land in which Christianity was founded, just as although Zoroastrianism was founded in Aryanam now the land is called Iran, so why the inconsistency?
So we see several fairly factual representations, one seemingly pro and one that definitely holds negative connotations, and a series of inconsistencies.
And then the BBC spend hundreds of thousands of pounds preventing the release of the Balen report and yet still refutes all accusations of anti-semitism or pro-Islam in its reporting.
Cunts.
See you soon,
Nik
Okay, so I may have played with the web addresses just a little! 🙂
hey Nik – thanks. i was wondering why “G-d” was appearing on LGF and other sites. now i know. it was just a curious thing that i put down to americanisms or such like.
A Palestinian TV station has killed off a controversial Mickey Mouse lookalike
Literally!
Talk about jumping the shark 🙂
oh and by the way , i agree with your central thesis in the post above.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/
Nik Miller
Hope you lodged a formal complaint. Always worth it when you find this sort of religious bias. Just in case you havn’t been there before, this is where you start.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/
Nik
Very interesting post, thank you.
Out of interest, has anyone noticed the BBC coverage compared to the Sky coverage of the terrorist being held on the ground by the police? I have noticed that BBC actually blurs his face, whereas Sky don’t.
I suppose they want to protect the f*ckers human rights?
bbc = Cunts.
Nik Miller | 30.06.07 – 10:47 pm |
Quite so
The plot thickens:
Glasgow attack ‘terrorist incident’
Press Association
Saturday June 30, 2007 11:23 PM
The attack on Glasgow Airport is being treated as a terrorist incident after a suicide belt was found on one of the men involved, it is being reported..
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,,-6749155,00.html
Airport incident ‘was terrorism’
The suspect is in a critical condition at the Royal Alexandra Hospital
An incident in which a car was driven at Glasgow Airport’s main terminal and burst into flames is being treated as a terrorist attack by police.
Strathclyde Police Chief Constable Willie Rae confirmed the attack was being linked to two car bombs found in London on Friday.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6257846.stm
Just heard some imbecile ‘security analyst’ called Sajjan Gohel on News 24 saying “the UK has never had car bombs to deal with”.
Halfwit – has he not heard of the IRA: Manchester, Canary Wharf, Harrods?
The BBC – not just biased, ill-informed.
Nik – very good, well argued post. Definitely worth a complaint
I’m just very grateful that no one was seriously injured, my thoughts are with you. Stay safe, stay strong.
Apopleptic
“the UK has never had car bombs to deal with”.
The bloke is half right (being kind to him as it’s a Saturday night). I can’t remember the PIRA ever managing to persuade any of its “volunteers” to do a suicide car bombing – which is a bit different to the Omagh variety of terrorist carnage.
PIRA make these suicide bombers look like the Chuckle Brothers, which is some comfort.
Thank you, Just an American. That’s genuinely appreciated.
I think that the likes of Fabio, Thom, Hillhunt and all other apologists for terror will be quiet for some time.
I hope so anyway.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6257846.stm
‘was terrorism’??????
Why the quotes?
Hopefully the apologists for terror; hillhunt, thom, fabio will be quiet for a while.
I think that the likes of Fabio, Thom, Hillhunt and all other apologists for terror will be quiet for some time.
All over at Lenin’s Tomb soaking up the conspiracy theories
how nice it is not to have the bbc trolls here.
The Beautiful Names sets the 99 names for Allah as culled from the Qu’ran, sung in Arabic… The 70-minute work is divided into eleven groups of nine “tonal zones” and the start of each new section is prefaced by a magisterial calling out of Allah.
terry johnson | 30.06.07 – 8:39 pm
Perhaps pounce or somebody will correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought that to convert to Islam all one had to do was to repeat three times before witnesses the name of Allah.
Does this mean the performers are now considered Muslims?
Oscar and deegee,
A piece here on the Jewishness of the Millibands:
http://oliverkamm.typepad.com/blog/2007/06/the-milibands-t.html
” towcestarian | 01.07.07 – 12:11 am ”
the PIRA had a level of sophistication with bombs that would put the jihadists in the shade.
one has to wonder why we’re losing more civil liberties now, than under the PIRA terror campaign.
and bear in mind that we also had a “enemy within” situation back then too, what with the million or so Irish living here.
and also the PIRA bombs were utterly massive in scale.
then again, there were certain “rules” in that war – the PIRA wouldnt take over a school and massacre all the kids a la Beslan. nor would they hijack airplanes and fly them into skyscrapers. even though they were ruthless bastards, there was a certain ruleset to that war.
with the jihadists, all bets are off.
trouble is , we have not responded in kind.
jewishness of the milibands – so what? Karl Marx was originally Jewish.
Hitler was originally Catholic.
i dont really see the point. to be fair to miliband he hasnt been running around saying he’s jewish. so therefore i go “so the fuck what?”
if anything he’s probably atheist.
” Just an American | 01.07.07 – 12:08 am”
thanks for your thoughts and support. if it wasnt for the bollards in front of the terminal it could have been much much worse. they stopped the jeep going all the way into it. we had a close shave today.
500 posts, only about 2% of which relate to BBC bias.
Boring.
*sigh*
richy doesnt quite understand that when rolling news happens ,like today, the analysis happens AFTER we’ve flung tons of urls around.
buzzdroid:
jewishness of the milibands – so what?
Perhaps you’ve been too busy posting comments (more than 40 since 30.06.07 – 1:31 pm!) to follow the discussion that began a couple of days ago.
It concerns Paul Reynolds claiming that because Milliband is Jewish he can criticise Israel without being accused of being antisemitic.
See here:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/patrickcrozier/3289696097036604691/#362970
Hopefully the apologists for terror; hillhunt, thom, fabio will be quiet for a while.
Jo | 01.07.07 – 12:26 am
Fabio is an apologist for terror?
ah ! all is now clear.
i for one dont buy that argument. you can criticise israel all you like – its just a country.
heck , even the israelis criticise their own country – its a friggin’ democracy.
where the “criticise israel” thing veers into anti semitism is where the word “jew” is replaced with “israeli” – whilst ignoring the genocidal intentions of hez and hamas. its the ignoring and omission of genocidal islamism that turns a critique of israel into anti-semitism.
i was replying to biod @ 2:10
buzzdroid
Yes and please understand why it is that socialists are by their political nature anti-semitic far more then anti-Israeli. And that is saying something.
The deffinition of a socialist is not being nice to poor people. It is not being anti-racist. It is not in anyway being pro gay rights. It is not being a supporter of feminism. It is not loving animals. It is not caring about the ecology of the planet. It is not even on a fundamental level even being Anti-semitic.
The most defining thing about ALL SOCIALISTS is their hatred and express nead to destroy FREE MARKET CAPITALISM. The unfortuate reality is that the jewish community is historically and presently rightly connected to this way of running the western worlds liberal econemy.
The Jews did to a very large extent unwittingly invent capitalism. In many cases it is also Jews that have tried to destroy capitalism also. Karl Marx was as we should all know a Jew.
This only partly because it is against the Jewish and Muslim religions to charge interest on loans. Its also because as many Jews often know other Jews with lots of “easy” capitalist cash, that they do not all share in, straight forward human envy comes into play.
Its also worth noting at this point that according to many Jewish rabbis Jews were not supposed to return in large numbers to the holy land untill the arrival of the Jewish massia. Which also explains some jews anti-zionism.
The Jews do controll and to a largish extent own, a very large slice of the free moving money in the world and have done for a thousand years or so.
If you dont believe me read anything by our least favourate socialist Adolf Hitler. Or someone high up in Barclays Bank.
Hitler did not hate Jews as much as one may think. When he was young some of his best friends were Jews. What Hitler wanted was their money factories property and power firmly under his controll, thus keeping the German econemy inflated and apparently GROWING. Because only then could he finance his war from the beginning and assure that Germany could carry the fight all the way to victory or to complete and utter destruction. Unlike the 1st WW.
This murderous trick is not even new. It has been done several times in history before. Adolf Hitler learnt a trick or two from our very own Edward 1st.
At least Adolf had the good grace to gas his jews before he burned them. This countrys history of Anti-semitism is nothing to be proud of.
Four held amid UK terror alerts
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6258062.stm
Isn’t it supposed to be
Four held amid UK militant, or misguided criminals, alerts.
What happened to the BBC’s objectivity?
Can someone please explain why ALBEEB are covering the face of this cretin in glasgow whilst he is being held on the floor? Sky news are not hiding his face.
Real Sabre:
All-inclusive al-Beeb don’t seem to realise that by having the T-word forced out of them for these home-grown events they are going to appear not only inconsistent, but actually (shock horror!) RACIST! In other words, muslim car bombs against us British, IN Britain can be termed terrorist, but if the same muslim nutters use the same methods against other muslims (Iraq) they are merely ‘extremists’…
a real sabre
“Isn’t it supposed to be
Four held amid UK militant, or misguided criminals, alerts.”
Don’t worry, the BBC day staff will sort out this obvious lack of objectivity.
“The Asian gentleman was fairly burnt and smoldering”
I thought smoking in a public place was already illegal in Scotland? No respect for our laws whatsoever.
The Jews did to a very large extent unwittingly invent capitalism.
Gary Powell – I don’t quarrel with much of what you say and it is undoubtedly true that many Jews are very successful capitalists and that should be celebrated not attacked. But historically it just isn’t true that Jews invented capitalism – wittingly or unwittingly. Being a trader (typical of many other marginal groups – like Armenians and Greek traders for instance) and lending with interest are not the defining features of capitalism. Surplus value is. I’d stick with Weber and say it was the Protestants that led to the rise of capitalism.
By the way – I just watched Andrew Marr’s interview with Gordo on the Sunday show. And (to the indigestible sound of me eating my hat) I have to say I was really impressed. There was absolutely not a scintilla of acceptance that Iraq and Afghanistan are the cause of the terror attacks. He placed responsibility firmly and squarely on the global jihad. I suspect the Livingstone/Stop the War faction won’t like what they hear one bit. If people start taking in this message (and maybe at last they will) that can only be for the good. Where that leaves young Miliband I don’t know.
BTW Bio – thanks for the link to Oliver Kamm’s excellent article.
google m6 arrests and this is what you get – where is the BBC?
BBC NEWS | UK | England | Leicestershire | Arrest follows fatal …Leics Police arrested the man following the incident, which involved six vehicles between junction 1, near Rugby, and the M6-M1-A14 interchange. …
news.bbc.co.uk/…/news+sport/catthorpe+leicestershire/ -/2/hi/uk_news/england/leicestershire/4552447.stm – 34k – Cached – Similar pages
BBC NEWS | UK | England | Cumbria | Arrest after M6 wrong way driveA man has been arrested on suspicion of drink-driving after driving his car the wrong way down the M6 motorway.
news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/news/int/search/news+sport/ moss+side+cumbria/-/2/hi/uk_news/england/cumbria/3121820.stm – 29k – Cached – Similar pages
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Daily Star: Simply The Best 7 Days A WeekA motorist said he saw the arrests taking place on the M6, although police would not confirm this. Peter Whitehead told the BBC three unmarked police cars …
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/ news_detail_pa.html?sku=11832739805029511-H0 – 1 Jul 2007 – Similar pages
icNorthWales – Four arrested over terror attacksA motorist said he saw the arrests taking place on the M6, although police would not confirm this. Story continues Continue story. ADVERTISEMENT …
icnorthwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/ukworld/ tm_headline=four-arrested-over-terror-attacks&method=full… – 1 Jul 2007 – Similar pages
Arrests Made As Terror Threat Critical |Sky News|UK NewsTwo further arrests have been made on the M6 motorway in Cheshire in connection with that incident, and the foiled London car bombs. …
news.sky.com/skynews/article/ 0,,30100-1273122,00.html?f=rss – 30 Jun 2007 –
finchy:
Can someone please explain why ALBEEB are covering the face of this cretin in glasgow whilst he is being held on the floor? Sky news are not hiding his face.
Perhaps his beard caught fire, loss of face and all that!
Good post on Harry’s Place
Fuzzy thinking exposed (message to al beeb)
Islamists have their own agenda – and the overthrow of a secular dictatorship in Iraq in 2003 is merely a red herring tossed by Islamists to the hard of thinking in the West.
Butt’s article is published in today’s Observer. Is this further evidence that the Bruschetta orthodoxies that surround the commonly assumed link between foreign policy and terrorism are gradually being undermined by compelling evidence from people who actually know what they’re talking about?
http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/
indigenous | 01.07.07 – 11:18 am |
That is why Sky were voted News Channel of the year and the squidzillion pound BBC weren’t.
Meanwhile over on Ceefax this morning;
Police say it was a ‘terrorist attack’
good grief what does it take !
Not looking good for Alan Johnston – this is where appeasement gets you:
Kidnapped BBC man’s fate hangs on clan feud
The revelation came even as members of the Dogmosh family – a notorious clan supplying most of the members of ‘The Army of Islam’ – continued desperate efforts to convince the group not to kill the 45-year-old Scot. However, moderate insiders said the radicals were in charge and out of patience with Hamas, the British government, and the BBC.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2115848,00.html
Rise and Fall of a Muslim MP
BBC News | UK Politics | Vindication for UK’s first Muslim MPWhen he was elected as the Labour MP for Glasgow Govan at the last election, Mohammad Sarwar made history. He was the first Muslim MP to enter Parliament. …
newsvote.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/ uk_politics/newsid_304000/304006.stm – 21k – Cached – Similar pages
BBC News | News | Parties target Muslim votersBBC Radio 5 Live’s Roger Hardy reports on how Glasgow’s Muslim community is … to the Westminster Parliament in 1997 as Britain’s first Muslim MP but the …
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BBC NEWS | Scotland | Glasgow and West | Sarwar plans to stand …Mohammad Sarwar, Labour MP for Glasgow Central, will stand down at the next … The father-of-four, Britain’s first Muslim MP, said he had received death …
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BBC NEWS | Scotland | Sarwar in talks after city bombsGlasgow MP Mohammed Sarwar tells the prime minister that more must be done to … Muslim Association of Britain. The BBC is not responsible for the content …
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Britain’s first Muslim MP to stand down after death threats | News …Mr Sarwar, a multimillionaire businessman, was elected as MP for Glasgow Govan … Mr Sarwar told BBC Radio Scotland he had been very proud to represent his …
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/…/ Britain’s+first+Muslim+MP+to+stand+down+after+death+threats/article.do – 30 Jun 2007 – Similar pages
First Muslim MP steps downFirst Muslim MP steps down. Friday, 22 Jun 2007 15:26. Glasgow MP leaves Commons … Speaking to BBC Radio Scotland, he said he wanted to leave politics to …
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Joke of the Day
BBC News | Politics | UK EditionBBC News provides trusted World and UK news as well as local and regional … newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsonline_ uk_edition/uk_politics/rss.xml – 17k –
On a totally different tack and nothing to do with the BBC….yet!:
‘As England awakes to a ban on lighting up in pubs and restaurants today, plans have been drawn up for “smoking cessation support workers” to visit schools to “educate” children about the dangers of passive smoking. The children will then be urged to return home and “stand up for their rights” by telling their mothers and fathers to stop smoking at home.’
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=CPRR5ZD2BNYJJQFIQMFSFFOAVCBQ0IV0?xml=/news/2007/07/01/nsmoke101.xml
This is the thin end of the wedge
How long before we have children denouncing parents at school only to have the midnight knock on the door.
Please Miss we watch telly at home without a licence and Dad says all Muslims who support terrorists should be deported.
That’s ten years inside.
Wakey Wakey Britain, it’s almost too late.
Sir Iqbal Says:
Verily Simon Jenkins is a dhimmiwhose mind generates as much sh*t in a day as 3 dozen jihadis in Spin Boldak who have caught the bug do in a week ….
I like his thinking! RETREAT and SURRENDER is your only chance you worthless Brithani Kaffirs …
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/simon_jenkins/article2010026.ece
Peace.
We’re back in that old familiar territory of ‘is it bias or are they just incompetent’, but, whichever it is, surely the BBC’s current (website) lead story – Broon’s reaction to yesterday’s fun and games is, plainly, not the most important thing happening today?
Surely, the story is what is going on in the background – the efforts to trace those who supported the failed islamofascist bombers and who, in all probability, have a few other plans up their sleeves?
Broon, if he has been privy to any intelligence, won’t be sharing it with us, which means anything he says will be the usual anodyne, ‘don’t panic, firm resolve, stiff upper lip, spirit of the Blitz blah blah’ stuff which politicians always trot out when the results of their refusal to tackle the real cause of the problem (Islamism) comes back to haunt us.
But no. The White City Wonders are wearing their usual blinkers. They can’t see outside the Westminster goldfish bowl.
Hint: Broon is not the story.
Now go and do some bloody journalism!
Scotland on Sunday
Imagine if you wanted to shop at Harvey Nichols, but you had to go to Jenners first and pay them £135 for a permit to enter their competitor’s premises. By what right does the BBC act as gatekeeper to all 196 other television channels? That is an infringement of Article 10 of the European Convention, guaranteeing free access to information across frontiers.
http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/opinion.cfm?id=987322007
Muslim Immigration: A Winning or Losing Proposition?
“First, let’s concede that the majority of Muslim immigrants mean Americans no harm. They have their reasons for not wanting to live in Muslim countries and these aren’t hard to guess. Of the fifty-three Islamic nations on the planet, there is hardly a single one that isn’t characterized by some combination of debilitating corruption, economic blight, third-world standard of living, political repression, or an appalling human rights condition.
Unfortunately, however, more Muslims in America will inevitably result in a more Muslim America, which ultimately means having to deal with the problems that plague Muslim society. If there are tangible benefits that offset the added strain of trying to accommodate a religion that is very much at odds with Western liberal values (including freedom of conscience, social tolerance, democracy, and the equality of women), then they are not immediately apparent.
MORE
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/homeland.php?id=1072859
Laugh of the Day
Islamic Rage Boy(C) Plays The Sheraton Tel Aviv
http://www.thenoseonyourface.com/