The role of the media in general and the BBC in particular in perpetuating the malignancy of the Northern Ireland “peace process” cannot be sufficiently emphasised. The British Government has relied heavily on the BBC to retail the idea across the world that placing bloodthirsty terrorists in positions of power is a good idea if it helps buy peace! It’s a Chamberlain-scale act of appeasement that has necessitated the full power of the State broadcaster to help convince the gullible and wavering. Today the BBC reports, matter of factly, that Martin McGuinness – the Deputy First Minister of the Northern Ireland Assembly – has stated that he would like to have killed every British soldier in Londonderry in the aftermath of Bloody Sunday, if he had had the opportunity. Now there are three obvious questions that strike me an intrepid BBC journalist would want to ask Mr McGuinness.
1. Given that he was, by his own admission, an IRA terrorist before and after the events of January 30th 1972, how many soldiers did he in fact kill?
2. Given the many murders of innocent civilians in Londonderry during his tenure as an IRA warlord, how many of those deaths did he oversee?
3. Given this admission of murderous intent, in what way is he suitable to hold ANY office?
You’ll not be surprised to know that none of these questions have been posed by the BBC. Nor will they. You see what has happened in Northern Ireland – the installation of terrorists in the very highest spheres of government – is a victory for the left-wing mindset epitomised by the BBC. Can you imagine the furore the BBC would have created if, in the aftermath of the 7/7 bombings in London, Tony Blair had declared he wanted to kill every Islamist in the United Kingdom? The BBC has shilled for the IRA for decades now, and shows a serial sense of immorality and journalistic bias.
Or the 0.0% (rounded to the nearest) that read your blog and comment eh Meaningless?
This blog is about BBC bias.
This post beggars belief.
“The issue is not whether the BBC is biased for supporting the agreement signed by all parties and voted for by the majority (the great majority).
It is that Vance is using this blog…”
Aussie Bystander
Just what does it take to get a post deleted?
Sorry I should have added the evidence for my statement above
UK 2001 Census (the opportunity to not answer or to say no religion was provided)
Christian 71.6%
Muslim 2.7%
Other religions 2.5%
Not stated 7.3%
No religion 15.5%
Hillhunt | 25.02.08 – 10:48 am |
’Oddly enough, I have seen remains shovelled up after a terrorist attack (although not in Ulster). ‘
Where?
’A very close relative came within a hair’s breath of a (mistaken) IRA assassination.’
Oh really!
’Another close family member twice escaped from close to an IRA bomb, whilst I was present when a mainland bomb devastated my community.’
Lightning striking in the same place not just twice but when ever it suits the argument.
Hillhunt: Figments of the imagination
It looks like David Vance has really got under the skin of the BEEBOIDS?
Whenever DV posts on one of the many ‘sacred cows’ that the BEEBOID collective holds dear you can almost feel the hatred.
Do I have to the one to explain to the faux Che collective that David is ‘stepping on your blue suede shoes’ for a very specific purpose?
Is it possible that you are being brought out into the open for a reason?
Let me explain something BEEBOIDS, in your rush to defend your socialist revolutionary pride have you considered if your postings are coming from a BBC/workplace computer those records can never be erased? Is it possible that you are being given a ‘length of rope’? because at some point a new Tory regime will have to deal with the BBC enemy.
All those computer records at the BBC are going to be looked at and what do you think will happpen then?
If the BEEBOIDS think that they are safe from retribution may I suggest that they are living in a fools paradise.
Mr Livingslime&Co are going to regret those same computer records VERY shortly!
Disinterred Bystander:
Hillhunt: Figments of the imagination
I’d like to confirm your worst suspicions, DB, but I regret to say it’s all true. But then anybody whose loved ones were in Ulster in the the 70s and 80s probably has the same story to tell.
Woad
I noticed you and John Reith didn’t have much to say about that Panorama investigation framing up members of British Army as savages.
Ah, but I have….
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/patrickcrozier/6815932545772791369/#386382
(But I doubt you’ll be impressed)
Cassatta:
All those computer records at the BBC are going to be looked at and what do you think will happpen then?
If the BEEBOIDS think that they are safe from retribution may I suggest that they are living in a fools paradise.
Thank God my computer’s nothing to do with the BBC then.
Oh, one other thing…
What retribution did you have in mind?
And at whose hands?
Biased BBC: We know where you live (or think we do)
“…I regret to say it’s all true” Meaningless 0.0% | 25.02.08 – 4:56 pm |
I don’t want your personal details and life story but perhaps you would like to back up these 5 ‘incidents’ or more with at least a minimum of detail, otherwise I am forced to conclude that disinterred bystander had it right about the figments of your imagination.
And is that it or are you going to ‘remember’ some more when it suits you?
Hillhunt,
You misunderstood my post I think? IF you are a BBC/GLC staffer acting as a poitical smear agent then at some point you may have to answer for this with your job.
I dont suggest for a second that a gang of thugs will come round your gaffe mob handed(like the BBC tax collectors do) and beat you up etc, but IF a Tory regime should choose to investigate dirty tricks at the BBC/GLC and IF you are a BBC/GLC employee then you may just be looking at the wrong end of a dole queue.
Homer:
And is that it or are you going to ‘remember’ some more when it suits you?
I’m happy that my memory is working correctly, but thanks for asking.
Now ask yourself this: How many people were in the vicinity when bombs went off (especially in the early years of The Troubles)?
Then ask yourself why you’re even bothering to ask the question.
Biased BBC: Memories Are Made Of This
“Ooooh, about as much as the posse of rednecks who parade their ignorance on this site from the darker recesses of the USA (to general applause).”
Well Mill*unt,Aussie Bystander,note the bystander part,was speaking on behalf of the British people,whereas the ones you call rednecks(you racist little b*stard you) comment on what they regard as BBC bias pertaining to their country.
Remember the BBC is an international broadcaster.
HILL*UNT THE AR*EHOLE WITH AN OPINION
Cassatta:
IF a Tory regime should choose to investigate dirty tricks at the BBC/GLC and IF you are a BBC/GLC employee then you may just be looking at the wrong end of a dole queue.
D’you mean…. it’s like the Manchurian Candidate or something, and I MIGHT NOT EVEN KNOW I’M DOING THIS!!!!
Oh, and another thing. We were all discussing the Vance Conundrum – how to carp about the lack of tough questions in an interview the BBC had nothing to do with…
When did the (long defunct) Greater London Council enter the picture?
Biased BBC: Like The Twilight Zone (only a bit more boring)
@ Meaningless 0.0% (hillhunt)
Your observations were very specific but there was no way to tell what any of the alleged incidents were, your most recent post has clarified that 0.0% so you live up to your name.
Perhaps you would give us some details of at least some of the 5 – the body remains being shovelled, the assassination attempt, the two narrow escapes or the witnessing of the bomb on the mainland.
They must be hugely memorable so surely you can manage that rather than another of your 0.0% fact ‘amusing’ answers.
Homer:
Your observations were very specific but there was no way to tell what any of the alleged incidents were, your most recent post has clarified that 0.0% so you live up to your name.
Hillhunt? Hill? Hunt?
Perhaps you would give us some details of at least some of the 5 – the body remains being shovelled, the assassination attempt, the two narrow escapes or the witnessing of the bomb on the mainland.
Either I did or I didn’t, Homer. Short of affidavits, I’m on a tough slope with this house, so I’ll leave it to your good judgement…
Save to ask why on earth I’d bother fabricating such things…
Biased BBC: Trust Never Sleeps
@ meaningless 0.0%
So still 0.0% facts, I will indeed exercise my good judgement.
Perhaps you could manage some other facts on something else.
You seemed keen on 1.5% meaning David Vance could be dismissed but 2.7% muslim against 71.6% christian not reflected by the BBC and thats all right, so where did the change happen? Was 1.9% the magic number or 2.3% or what?
Perhaps you should have stuck to 0.0% facts and ‘attempts’ at humour, evidence doesn’t appear to be your strong point.
Hillhunt,
“Biased BBC:like the twilight zone(only a bit more boring)”
Why do you persist in posting then?
Why not go to a blog more worthy of your talents and where you will be more appreciated?
NB GLC? did I post that? I meant the London ASSembly! Doh!
(showing my age I guess)
With regard to your experiences with terrorism, I feel for you and wish you well. I know that it is hard for people who have never seen terrible things to understand, so dont be too hard on posters who call your expriences into question. We may spar on this blog but I would say that we have more in common than not.
Homer:
2.7% muslim against 71.6% christian not reflected by the BBC and thats all right, so where did the change happen?
Who knows? Who knows?
Now that all BBC entertainment is observant with sharia law on modesty; that drinking is banned in all programming; that Songs of Praise comes from Regents Park Mosque every week; that Arabic is the language of choice; that The Archers is halal…. the evidence mounts, I have to agree.
Even more cause to Free The Orange One (point five)….
Cassatta:
Appreciate your thoughts.
re hillhunt “With regard to your experiences with terrorism, I feel for you and wish you well. I know that it is hard for people who have never seen terrible things to understand, so dont be too hard on posters who call your expriences into question. We may spar on this blog but I would say that we have more in common than not.
Cassandra | 25.02.08 – 6:32 pm”
I have come very close to terrorism only once and that was because I was in the centre of Birmingham on the night of the pub bombings (giving away my age).
I do not belittle the experience, on the contrary I hold it with high respect.
So much so that I do worry that others abuse such experience.
I did not request lots of details but I did find it strange that one person outside of Northern Ireland was highly unusually so plagued by such experiences.
They seemed to all too conveniently fit his argument.
I asked for some detail (like I mention the Birmingham pub bombings), to be sure it was not being abused, but was constantly met with no reply at all.
As most terrorist attrocities are verifiable on the record this refusal to supply any details at all does make me suspicious, you may take that any way you see fit.
“Save to ask why on earth I’d bother fabricating such things…”
Having watched you morph from an a simple apologist for the BBC to a fully fledged victim of the terror,it makes one wonder if had DV done a post on the Sandinistas you would have been there.
Make your mind up,snarky dilettante or serious commenter.Or perhaps just a blog whore with an empty home.
DV has finally written something which I agree with!. Mr McGuinness by using such disgusting rhetoric has disqualified himself from holding public office for the rest of his live.
No counter argument is possible, I note that Hillhunt has not defended Mr McGuinness’s comments nor has JR, which must mean that both JR and Hllhunt both agree with the general argument set out by DV.
I now reckon other commenters remarks about ignoring Hillhunt are correct.
He’s obviously got nothing factual to add and the rest is just a dose of adolescent sarcasm which he wouldn’t dare use to anyones face in the real world.
Why bother to feed his ego ? it just clutters the place up.
Dear D’Oh,
Please forgive the implication on my previous post alas I didnt fully read your post.
I perhaps feel an instinctive sympathy people who have seen the darker side of the human experience. Maybe there are some who might lie about such things to sustain a petty narrative but I would hate to judge others without proof.
If Hillhunt was telling lies then I feel even more sorry for him but also glad! for I would not wish my experiences on my worst enemies. If indeed he is young then perhaps its better that he hasnt seen the things he talks of because its a living nightmare for those who have!
Once again please accept my appologies for any offence I may have caused.
D’Oh
“Your observations were very specific but there was no way to tell what any of the alleged incidents were, your most recent post has clarified that 0.0% so you live up to your name.”
I think he’s lying.
His answer should have been a straight yes or no, anything else is deception. Best ignore him.
Joe,
Glad we agree on this – I hope to write more things on which we may also find agreement!
Homer:
I did find it strange that one person outside of Northern Ireland was highly unusually so plagued by such experiences.
They seemed to all too conveniently fit his argument.
I asked for some detail (like I mention the Birmingham pub bombings), to be sure it was not being abused, but was constantly met with no reply at all.
As most terrorist attrocities are verifiable on the record this refusal to supply any details at all does make me suspicious,
Y-e-e-e-s.
So if I say I was present when, for the sake of argument, the Manchester bomb went off, how would you know whether to believe me or not?
Lots of people were there at the time. Do you have lists?
If I saw the after-effects of a terrorist bomb in Asia, how would you know whether I was there or not?
If I said I had two very close relatives whose duties took them to Ulster several days every month throughout the Troubles, what could you do with the information?
It’s absurd to argue that any rational civilian is in favour of terrorism, as The Orange Peril appears to do. The truth is that I have additional personal reasons to dislike terrorism. But you’ll have to take my word for that.
Biased BBC: Trust No-one
David Vance:
“Sadly for you Aussie Bystander, I won’t dignify the dross you spew forth with further comment.”
Oh you brave man! I’m so impressed!
Don’t get to grips with history, you brave man!
“The people of the United Kingdom, including its armed forces, have suffered terribly at the hands of IRA terrorists”
They’ve suffered far more in the support of a sectarian state over the past six hundred years. The same people of the United Kingdom support the peace process, flawed as it is, except for the tiny minority of sectarian bigots who prefer the alternative.
“…and the idea that to seat such a terrorist warlord in government, and to have then hear him boast of his desire to kill “every British soldier” in Londonderry and for the BBC to remain MUTE on such a point IS a topic for debate here.”
Big deal. Martin McGuiness was articulating his feelings about the British soldiers in Londonderry the day that British soldiers opened fire on an unarmed and peaceful civil rights demonstration.
As I pointed out, you ignore that other terrorists who have committed far worse atrocities even against British soldiers, have become statesmen. What of Menachem Begin? No reply from a coward like you.
“If the BBC wishes to work with the UK Government to enable terrorists getting into power, then they can expect some of us to refuse to let it pass.”
The BBC working with the democratically elected government to implement an agreement approved by the great majority of the people of Northern Ireland is bias? Of course it is.
Everything is biased except you. Everyone is blind except you. Everyone can’t read except you. Everyone forgets history except you.
Everyone is biased in VanceWorld.
Oz:
Everything is biased except you. Everyone is blind except you. Everyone can’t read except you. Everyone forgets history except you.
Everyone is biased in VanceWorld.
Lighten up, sport.
Mr Orange discovered that you can whinge about BBC interviews even when the journalism was done by a foreign TV station.
The guy deserves a break for that alone.
Surely?
“So if I say I was present when, for the sake of argument, the Manchester bomb went off, how would you know whether to believe me or not?”
Interesting,so was I.In fact I passed the truck bomb parked outside M&S whilst I was traveling on the number 42 bus from Victoria in the morning.
I was at All Saints when the bomb went off later in the day.Big bang that shook the building,nobody had a clue what it was.Took a walk towards Piccadilly for an appointment.The first thing that strikes you is the absolute silence,as you get further in,the barriers, broken glass,not many police.Whitworth Street,Portland Street,blocked off,got as far as Deansgate but had to turn back.
My wife was at Victoria station when the glass came in,where were you?
“The BBC working with the democratically elected government to implement an agreement approved by the great majority of the people of Northern Ireland is bias? Of course it is.”
Thanks for confirming the BBC is breaking the rules of its Charter.
“The day that British soldiers opened fire on an unarmed and peaceful civil rights march”
How about a few facts to go with that PIRA propaganda?
If you believe the Provo press release then what does that say about you?
How about the PIRA snipers using civilians as cover to pick off troops covering the demonstration?
How about the petrol bombs and nail bombs that were thrown at the Army/Police lines from the back of this ‘peaceful’ protest?
The PIRA were expert in using crowds for cover while attacking the security forces, where did they learn these tactics?
The Paras were subject to sniping attacks as were the resident infantry battalions and yet you fail to mention this?
McGuinness was there as an acive service terrorist and he was there to kill as many of the security forces as he could, so why no mention of that little gem not AFTER the demo but BEFORE!
You know full well that the PIRA didnt take prisoners and they showed no mercy! Any security forces that fell into the hands of the PIRA were tortured in the most horrible ways and then killed, there were no POW camps run by the PIRA!
The PIRA were ruthless and cruel in the extreme they spared NOBODY, old,young,disabled,unarmed,innocent all were fair game for the PIRA. The PIRA would kill and torture without mercy and yet you seem to forget this?
Informers within the terrorist ranks were warning of a major attack on the security Forces and yet you seem to ‘forget’ this?
Your ignorant kneejerk response tells us all where you are coming from.
Let me enlighten you about PIRA tactics a little?
Take one catholic civilian who has fallen foul of a PIRA thug, torture and beat this person to a pulp for a couple of days, take a Black&Decker drill and drill into this persons kneecaps, then cut off the persons ears and take the knife and cut up the victims tongue, then shoot the victim in the face! Now take the body and dump it near a roadside bomb and call the Police!
When the Police turn up, set off the raodside bomb!
This is just one example of your ‘heroic freedom fighters’ and there are many more!
When you lie about the past you do nothing to heal the wounds. What we all need is truth and reconciliation NOT starry eyed lies and propaganda!
I reproduce two contradictory pearls of wisdom from the “bystander” since they fall in line with the BBC’s attitude towards terror so completely:
No need to differentiate or use powers of discrimination since all terror is the same:
… many people called terrorists at one time can sometimes became statesmen later, and that Martin McGuiness is no worse and no better than any of them.
Aussie Bystander | 25.02.08 – 12:10 pm
Except when the finger is pointed at Jews:
….the extraordinary brutality of Manachem [sic] Begin against the British fighting them even as they fought against Nazism, acts which are at least an order of magnitude worse than anything Martin McGuinness is accused of?
Aussie Bystander | 25.02.08 – 10:52 am
Since the bystander is so knowledgeable about Begin he could at least get his name right. He might also like to read this account of the background to the bombing of the King David Hotel
http://www.etzel.org.il/english/ac09.htm
and the actual bombing:
http://www.etzel.org.il/english/ac10.htm
But that will probably be too much like hard work for the bystander. Far easier just to push ignorant prejudice.
We have debated this before on this site. If the King David had been bombed by Arabs, today’s BBC would have praised the bombing as a bold and daring example of guerrilla resistance.
Perhaps you would give us some details of at least some of the 5 – the body remains being shovelled, the assassination attempt, the two narrow escapes or the witnessing of the bomb on the mainland.
Either I did or I didn’t, Homer. Short of affidavits, I’m on a tough slope with this house, so I’ll leave it to your good judgement…
Save to ask why on earth I’d bother fabricating such things…
Hillhunt | 25.02.08 – 5:58 pm |
Hillhunt: Baron Munchausen incarnate
It steams my piss no end to read posts from people like Cassandra who are not from Northern Ireland and who know nothing about the subject. Having said that David Vance is from NI and he is no better.
Joel – future American.
“My wife was at Victoria station when the glass came in,where were you?”
Peter | 25.02.08 – 11:26 pm
Terrorism, by ignorant thugs.
Two of our children were at Chetham’s school in Manchester and it was open day. We were taking another daughter to visit. But a police cordon prevented cars from entering Manchester. They wouldn’t tell us why, but we guessed what had happened.
Couldn’t get through to the school for ages but eventually a call confirmed that an IRA bomb had exploded. Panic stations.
Abandoning the car we crunched over broken-glass-strewn streets. Because of the heatwave we had sandals and bare feet.
The school was only yards from the blast. By some fluke, orchestra rehearsal was on a break when the bomb went off. The windows of the hall they had been in just minutes earlier had crashed down. Instruments, chairs and music stands were covered with glass shards and splinters.
Amazingly, the only injuries were minor cuts but everyone was traumatised. Helicopters were buzzing everywhere, and loudspeakers blared. Staff laid on a barbecue amongst the debris. Mattresses were impregnated with glass and were trashed. All the pupils were sent home, shaken.
The thugs who did that would have been unaware of what they might easily have put an end to.
Joel,
I’ve been to enough funerals here in Northern Ireland of those killes by terrorists to know plenty. You display a startling ignorance.
Cassandra,
Well said. You show excellent insight into the issue under debate, not surprising to see you attacked for telling the truth.
Mr Orange:
Joel,
I’ve been to enough funerals here in Northern Ireland of those killes by terrorists to know plenty. You display a startling ignorance.
Well put, Mr O.
Just one thing. As Joel volunteered no information, and simply passed comment on yourself and Cassatta, how, exactly did he display a startling ignorance?
Is this a third path, after your pioneering work on complaints about non-interviews and your demand for the BBC to bend to the will of 1.5% of the Ulster population?
Henceforth we can shout startling ignorance at anyone who expresses any view at all, regardless of the facts.
A new day dawns.
And it’s the colour of marmalade!
Biased BBC: Startling Ignorance
Sue,
It was an evil deed,probably only the Corn Exchange which prevented Chethams from the full blast.
I spent quite some time trying to contact my wife,but eventually had to hitch a lift home to be by the telephone.The police evacuated most of those at Victoria to somewhere in Salford.Not being a local girl she did not know where she was.All the telephones were occupied or the exchanges overloaded.
Hillhunt | 26.02.08 – 6:40 pm |
Hillhunt: Baron Munchausen incarnate
Hillhunt,
Psst..between you and me, and I’m sure no one will overhear us, here’s a little advice from me to you;
Best to keep your mouth closed and allow people to think you ignorant than to open it and leave them in no doubt.
I ams sure the next of kin of IRA butchery will appreciate your kind comments.
Next time your pal Joel expresses opinion without any substantiation. I guess that makes him ideal BBC spawn, right? You’re a troll, end of.
Mr Orange:
I ams sure the next of kin of IRA butchery will appreciate your kind comments.
Just when we think we have you pinned down, you surprise us again!
Today’s tip to the faithful from Mr O: Hide behind other people’s funerals. Spray abuse at your opponents…and then duck behind a coffin before they get their reply in.
Brilliant! And we thought you’d reached your pinnacle with your delightful scheme to complain about the way the BBC didn’t conduct interviews filmed by a foreign broadcaster!
Biased BBC: Dead Right
Hillhunt,
You make light of the grief experienced by those who lost loved ones to terrorists and I trust readers will note this.I find you to be the lowest form of scum and will no longer engage with you. Since I’m moderating this blog these days here’s a clear direction from me – go away. You add nothing but squalor and it’s time you were dealt with firmly. See the door? – take it.
David Vance | 27.02.08 – 1:59 am,
Shortly after Hillhunt began inflicting his vile comments on this blog last year I stopped reading or engaging with him. I also stopped reading the responses of others to Hillhunt because they would frequently paste in parts of his comments, and who needs to wade through endless self-important sneering? However I was initially exposed to enough of him to see the way he works – mocking people, confusing the issue by deliberately misinterpreting comments and, as you point out, making light of others’ misfortunes.
Now the only effect Hillhunt the troll has on me is to exercise the scrolling wheel on my mouse.
Mr Orange:
You make light of the grief experienced by those who lost loved ones to terrorists and I trust readers will note this.
That’s certainly one way of looking at it.
Another might be to suggest that you wish to pursue your rejectionist and undemocratic (1.5% of the Ulster electorate supported your stance in 2007) agenda on the Irish peace process by claiming that all who suffered from terrorism support your crusade.
The whole province suffered in those terrible years and yet it endorsed the process and voted into power the parties who now sit in the Assembly.
I have no desire to mock suffering. I’ve seen enough of it myself. But other people’s funerals are not adequate cover for your maverick and tribalist agenda.
hillhunt
Your latest additions to this thread have reached a new low I suggest you go back to your own blog and its 0.0% that support you and leave the 100.0% that do not support your own blog in peace.