Gotta love the BBC – it remains consistent in its pro-Palestinian reporting at all times! Take the news that “Israeli forces have carried out further attacks on the Gaza Strip, killing at least 26 Palestinians.” Three points here;
1. Who says that 26 people have been killed? Oh yes, Hamas. And they would never lie, right?
2. Why did the Israelis launch these counter-attacks on Gaza? Oh yes, because of the HUNDREDS of rockets Hamas terrorists have been firing into Israel. To the BBC however the scale of the Palestinian rocket onslaught remains unmentioned – it gives no figures to help us contextualise the issue.
3. Who are these Hamas “militants” to whom the BBC obliquely refers? Can’t they say the word “terrorist” since that is clearly the word which best sums up those who shelter amongst Gaza civilians whilst targeting innocent Israeli civilians with indiscriminate rocket fire?
Oh, and one final observation. The BBC refers to the fact that the launch of Israeli missiles into the Gaza area is causing the poor oppressed Gaza citizens to lose sleep. I am curious as to why the noise coming from the launch of hundreds of Qassam missiles from Gaza into Israel does not also disturb their sleep? Maybe that is a comforting sound to them and helps send them to sleep? Obviously the thought would never enter a BBC mind.
This BBC report is riddled with bias on this issue – check out the last two sentences of the report if you want further proof of how the BBC always gives the last words to the psycho Palis!.
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I find Yahoo news has a very good News photo section in which they collate most of the happy snaps taken around the world. The Middle East is one such section.
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Mideast-Conflict/ss/events/wl/080601mideast;_ylt=AgGDeqbNhr_OrWU01A_YASZpaP0E#photoViewer=/080301/ids_photos_wl/r2754911255.jpg
Anyway while having a butchers at the BBC photo story of the Jewish hit on Gaza I came across this woman.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/7272386.stm
And I thought I’ve seen her before today, so checking through the Yahoo photo section she pops up here;
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080301/capt.akcf11903011258.mideast_israel_palestinians_akcf119.jpg?x=400&y=278&sig=U4bzEHIGXZ0toTYGghN.WA–
(Take note of that geezer who is texting at the same time as covering his face)
Here;
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20080301/i/r2828208211.jpg?x=400&y=320&sig=PidIfJz5b_olicRe7OaglA–
Here;
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20080301/i/r4214662697.jpg?x=400&y=282&sig=W1Z5cUnMR7vsRZC7XAfiPQ–
Here;
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20080301/i/r609353323.jpg?x=226&y=345&sig=TgUZ19EojhIiAeYdw2VBRA–
and remember that bloke on the dog and bone.
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080301/capt.akcf11003011214.mideast_israel_palestinians_akcf110.jpg?x=400&y=273&sig=cpPPDqO2ojQ.Ve2bRNZH3g–
Does the phrase “Milking it” come to mind….
Sorry fucked up. While the geezer on the dog is in that last clip I actually meant the guy behind the screaming banshee in the two tone top.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44461000/jpg/_44461616_mourning_416_afp.jpg
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080301/capt.akcf11003011214.mideast_israel_palestinians_akcf110.jpg?x=400&y=273&sig=cpPPDqO2ojQ.Ve2bRNZH3g–
Now, hang on Vancy. Firstly, what’s wrong with getting the body-count statistics from Hamas? When there’s an attack in Israel the BBC gets its statistics from the elected Israeli government. Therefore it should do the same with Palestine and the elected Palestinian government.
Secondly, how many of these armed Hamas operatives have been involved in deliberate attacks on civilian targets in order to intimidate the government and population? Could be anything from 0% to 100%. How many of these rifle/rocket-wielding Islamists are militant in their tendencies? I’d say 100%, by definition. So surely ‘militant’ is a more accurate description?
“This BBC report is riddled with bias on this issue – check out the last two sentences of the report if you want further proof of how the BBC always gives the last words to the psycho Palis!”
Jesus Vance, what would you lot say if the BBC referred to the Israelis as “the psycho Yids”?
So, what’s wrong with getting the body count statistics from a bunch of jew-hating killers….lol, Alex, you haven’t got a clue.
Yes, well up to the usual standards :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7272329.stm
Dozens die in Israel-Gaza clashes
Once again the BBC headline gnomes manages to avoid mentioning Arabs or Palestinians as the perpetrators of violence in a headline. It wasn’t easy but they pulled it off. If they want to mention location they should say Gaza. If they want to mention contenders they should mention Israel and Hamas, or Israelis and Arabs.
At least 46 Palestinians and two Israeli soldiers have been killed in one of the deadliest days of fighting in Gaza since troops withdrew in 2005
“troops” withdrew ? Which troops withdrew ? Wasn’t it Israeli troops which withdrew • in an attempt to allow Gaza to run itself peacefully ?
Medical staff said at least eight were children and up to 16 were militants. Israel said most were militants. Seven Israeli troops were lightly injured.
Israel says this, medical staff say that. Who were these medical staff then ? Couldn’t have been Palestinian medical staff could it ? And “Israel said most were militants” is a flat out lie • “militant” is a BBC word • Israel uses the word “terrorist.”
Israel says it wants to stop rocket attacks from Gaza, but about 50 hit Israel on Saturday, injuring five.
A non biased reporter would just have written :
Israel says it wants to stop rocket attacks from Gaza. About 50 hit Israel on Saturday, injuring five.
Israel could have no expectation of a military incursion having any effect on rocket firing so quickly. The BBC’s “but” is designed to imply throw doubt on the veracity of what Israel says it wants to do.
Let’s move onto the casualties :
On one occasion, a house east of the Jabaliya refugee camp was struck – two children, a brother and sister, were killed. Later, a 15-year-old girl and her 16-year-old sister were also killed. In another attack, a mother was killed as she was preparing breakfast for her children, medical workers said.
How strange, they’re all Palestinian civilians. Even the “medical staff” admit that plenty of the casualties are “militants” but we don’t hear anything about how they died. Note that we’re getting the story from those “medical workers” again. Are they doctors, nurses ? Or hospital “spokesmen” ?
There was also fighting in and around the camp between Israeli troops backed by tanks and Palestinian militants equipped with crude rockets and mortars.
Ah yes, it’s those “crude” rockets again. Presumably much like tennis balls.
In BBC land: Israel=evil, Palestinians=good. That is all the background you need when reading any BBC article on the Middle East.
“So, what’s wrong with getting the body count statistics from a bunch of jew-hating killers….lol, Alex, you haven’t got a clue.”
Where else do you suggest? Like it or not, they’re the government and the government makes a good first port of call.
“Dozens die in Israel-Gaza clashes
Once again the BBC headline gnomes manages to avoid mentioning Arabs or Palestinians as the perpetrators of violence in a headline.”
It also manages to avoid mentioning Jews and Israelis as perpetrators of violence in a headline. Deuce.
“”troops” withdrew ? Which troops withdrew ? Wasn’t it Israeli troops which withdrew • in an attempt to allow Gaza to run itself peacefully?”
Yes, it was. I’m assuming most readers don’t need to be told that it wasn’t the Vatican who withdrew its troops.
“Israel says it wants to stop rocket attacks from Gaza, but about 50 hit Israel on Saturday, injuring five.”
…The BBC’s “but” is designed to imply throw doubt on the veracity of what Israel says it wants to do.”
Yes, yes, and anyone reading the article would instantly think… “Hmmm… maybe Israel secretly LIKES the rocket attacks and is only playing hard to get.”
You’re splitting hairs to the point of hilarity.
As the IDF attempts to smash the hamas murderers the beeb will frantically attempt to increase the pace of condemnation in the hope of forcing a halt on Israels right to self defence thus saving its terrorist friends.The beeb will play an important part as always in flooding the world with pro terrorist propoganda in the ongoing efforts to annihilate the state of Israel…a democratic beacon amongst an arab sea of hate and despair..something that sticks in the beebs throat…better Israel disapeares so that the rest of us can get use to the idea of surrendering.
Thud,
Exactly. The BBC is here to propagandise for the Hamas killers. Anyone watching the Ten O Clock news will have witnessed this Goebbels style spinning.
Does the phrase “Milking it” come to mind….
pounce | 01.03.08 – 8:41 pm |
Thanks for the links Pounce!
Seems that Paliwood producers are in full combat mode, and the BBC is swallowing it all up.
Does the phrase “Milking it” come to mind….
pounce | 01.03.08 – 8:41 pm
Certainly does and good spotting. Gazans have taken a tip from Hezbollah here. They know the Western media can be played like a fiddle.
Israel says it wants to stop rocket attacks from Gaza, but about 50 hit Israel on Saturday, injuring five.
Lee Moore | 01.03.08 – 9:27 pm
Yes, I also noticed that little “but”. The BBC likes to divorce Israeli attacks from Palestinian terror. In BBC-land there is no connection. And in BBC-speak Israel is lying/misguided when it says it has to stop rocket attacks – which are natural Palestinian acts of “resistance” against “occupation”.
I also note that in that entire article, there is not one description of Palestinian “militants” being killed but plenty about civilians being killed. This is deliberate.
To find out what actually happened in Gaza today, we have to navigate away from the BBC’s Hamas Propaganda Department to the Jerusalem Post:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1204213992578&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
From JPost we learn that:
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas called on Israel to stop all attacks in Gaza and urged Palestinians to halt the rocket fire.
And:
According to Palestinian sources, at least 16 of those killed were civilians, including a baby reported to have been struck when a Palestinian rocket misfired, as well as two teenagers. Hamas said the baby, Malak Karfaneh, was killed and three other civilians were wounded in an Israeli strike on Beit Hanun, a northern town where Palestinians often launch rockets at Israel. But local residents said one of those rockets fell short and landed in the area of the baby’s house.
And:
Later Saturday evening, the IAF bombed a truck filled with over a hundred rockets as well as several terrorists. It was unknown whether they were killed.
And:
At around midnight on Friday the IDF said it attacked an armaments factory in the central Gaza Strip and a rocket launcher in the north Gaza.
At the same time, Palestinians said Eid al-Ashram, a weapons expert, was killed by an IAF missile in an open area in northern Gaza.
I imagine the BBC was especially careful about leaving that last bit of information out. Hell, they don’t want to give the impression that Israel is genuinely going after the terrorists responsible for the rocket attacks.
From all the information we get from the BBC propagandists, they might as well be talking about a different conflict.
By a strange coincidence, both articles were updated to 21:31 pm. But the BBC article is GMT, so it was updated (or more likely first published) two hours later than the JPost article.
So there is absolutely no excuse for the BBC not bringing us the facts.
“Where else do you suggest? Like it or not, they’re the government and the government makes a good first port of call”
Yes, they’re wonderfully reliable sources, I agree (not). Like the photos depicting the “blackout” during daylight. So they don’t have an interest in fiddling with the number of dead either, eh?
Brian
Well, the BBC lives in a world in which the Jerusalem Post is not reliable, but Hamas sources are… You heard from Angry Young Alex, they’re the government, so we have to believe them.
Here’s the BBC desperately trying not to touch the dreaded T-word with a very long pole, and lapsing into weird grammar in the attempt:
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said “terrorists”, as he called them, would pay a very heavy price for the attacks.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7268085.stm
The BBC’s contortions would be funny if they didn’t have such serious effects.
sorry for misspelling your name, Bryan.
Hettie | 02.03.08 – 12:23 am,
It seems that Hamas has instructed the BBC that on no account should any details on the conflict be published other than those approved by Hamas itself. The BBC has said, “Yes master,” and lapsed into dhimmitude.
Hettie | 02.03.08 – 12:23 am,
No problem. Happens a lot with the unusual spelling.
It appears the BBC has updated its photo collection. Anyway I do so like this picture;
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44461000/jpg/_44461632_machinegun_416_ap.jpg
with the following caption;
“Hamas has said it will respond to any aggression.”
Just for the info BBC, that idiot won’t be. (Well maybe with that gat round his neck, but not with that heavy machine gun.
Same baby two different photos;
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20080302/capt.cps.mna42.020308012507.photo00.photo.default-512×340.jpg?x=400&y=265&sig=0sk1Bg.LaCfUnDyuHW_U0w–
and this one;
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20080301/i/r1286908382.jpg?x=400&y=286&sig=9O31o5kKkpoCUbd6Kph20w–
Same baby two different photos;
In the second one why is the bloke standing by the ambulance grinning all over his chops?
Because the baby is actually OK and he’s thinking “Sweet kid?”
that second picture is so disturbing. we have a smiling man, and another one holding up a dead baby while looking at another photographer maybe? There’s no compassion, no grief, no pain. I’m kind of speechless.
The bloodletting began before midnight Friday in the northern town of Beit Hanoun, where a 13-month-old girl, Malak Karfaneh, was killed by shrapnel. Hamas blamed Israel, but residents said a militant rocket fell short and landed near the baby’s house.
BTW, this is carried by AP and Arab news services, that are much less pro-Hamas than the BBC.
Angry, do you still think Hamas is trustworthy and its reports should not be carried verbatim as if they were an undisputed fact?
I find it very interesting that Egyptian press is more trustworthy on this than the BBC.
Just what kind of a deal did the BBC made to get Hamas to release Alan Johnston?
Just for the info BBC, that idiot won’t be. (Well maybe with that gat round his neck, but not with that heavy machine gun.
That’s a 12.7mm Dooshka, I’ve never had the pleasure of one of those, but I do know someone who chopped the end of his finger off courtesy of the breechblock while trying to unjam one 🙂
Hopefully our terrorist friend will have even less luck.
As you point out, he’ll certainly have no luck firing it, not in the condition it was in when the photo-op was staged, but I won’t spoil the surprise 🙂
A Concise History of the BBC’s reporting on Hamas, Hezbollah, and/or any other group against Israel:
“It all started when the damn Israelis hit us back.”
Two days of fighting in Gaza and still no HYS? I reckon Aungie knows that the weight of public opinion is no longer on her side.
PIMF Auntie
“Israel says it wants to stop rocket attacks from Gaza, but about 50 hit Israel on Saturday, injuring five.”
I put the ‘but’ down to sloppy, even ignorant, writing style because there really is no logical connection between the two clauses, as the adversative conjunction ‘but’ requires. The curious thing here is the words ‘Israel says’. Does the journalist actually doubt this? Further, the source or identity of these mysterious ‘rocket attacks’ is not given. Presumably they are not random criminal activity by persons unknown but are being done by ‘Hamas’ (Alex: ‘government’) agents – in other words, an act of war. Why doesn’t the BBC report make this clear?
Another point: did the BBC ever refer to IRA ‘volunteers’ as ‘militants’ or some other euphemism or as ‘terrorists’? So in the case of ‘Hamas’ (which, incidentally, Alex, came to power in a violent coup in which it murdered many opponents, throwing them off buildings etc), does it have an actual, legitimate army, comparable to the IDF? In which case, they should be called ‘soldiers’. Otherwise, they are terrorists. What does the BBC call the agents of FARC in Colombia?
“Oh yes, because of the HUNDREDS of rockets Hamas terrorists have been firing into Israel.”
Actually since begin of the year it has been more than 2500 rockets against cities. Probably with recent escalade they are near 3000.
Btw in no place BBC(neither the usual Human Rights ONGs always so keen to talk about Israel) talks about War Crimes of bombing cities indiscriminately.
That sorry kind of UN secretary-general also only talks about it when Israel retaliates, likewise the Security Council only reunites when Israel fights to stop the rockets. So i think it is okay for UN when the jews are are taking in the head but when the kicking goes to both sides it is time to stop.
Pounce,
There is another picture of that ubiquitous lady, this time on the front page of the Beeb:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/
And, is it the same grinning bloke behind her?
Could David or someone please make Pounce’s comment with the photos into a proper post, so that it can be linked elsewhere?
This post is an important addition to the issue of fauxtography.
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas labeled Israel’s actions to counter the constant firing of rockets into the Gaza Strip “worse than the Holocaust.”
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1204213993792&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Abbas is a Holocaust denier. Apparently he wrote a “thesis” on the subject. So we can safely say he means Israel’s actions are worse than something that didn’t happen.
Can someone name those BBC people responsible for the anti Israel reporting. I would love to question them at some time
Hettie:
There’s no compassion, no grief, no pain. I’m kind of speechless.
Me too.
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There’s no compassion, no grief, no pain. I’m kind of speechless.
Hettie | 02.03.08 – 1:23 am
I can’t quite jump to that conclusion. A photograph captures milliseconds of reality. Sometimes quite weird facial expressions come through. Check out Hilary Clinton for many examples.
There is also a psychological reflex to smile for the camera. Arthur “weegee” Fettig’s Drowning Victim at Coney Island c1940 is an iconic example.
http://thumbsnap.com/v/2Y2ZBlsj.jpg
The BBC loves to play up the “crude” or “home-made” nature of the rockets that the terrorists of Hamas fire into Israel, trying to portray them as being akin to those things that fill the skies of Britain on 5 November each year.
Sunday morning and the beeboid R4 bulletin leads with the headline, ‘UN Sec. Gen. condems Israeli attacks .’ At the tail end of the piece the journo reports what was actually said, which infact started off with the Sec. Gen. condeming the Palestinians for attacking Israel !!!
Sometimes one must wonder about who or why the BBC chooses the titles of pictures.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7272386.stm
http://thumbsnap.com/v/GnytaCJL.jpg
As Israeli tanks and troops entered deeper into Gaza, clashes centred on the Jabaliya refugee camp.
Where are the tanks and troops?
http://thumbsnap.com/v/x3RgIirs.jpg
Israel says it is targeting militants and their infrastructure.
Where are the Israelis? One would think the stretchers wrapped in Hamas flags would be a give-away that at least in this case the targetting is accurate.
http://thumbsnap.com/v/3xHm3Nat.jpg
Palestinian militants continued their barrage of rockets towards Israel.
Where are the militants? Wouldn’t rocket lands on roof of Israeli appartment building be a little more accurate a caption?
The BBC loves to play up the “crude” or “home-made” nature of the rockets that the terrorists of Hamas fire into Israel, trying to portray them as being akin to those things that used to fill the skies of Britain on 5 November each year before the government, in its wisdom, decided to ban the occasion as part of its ongoing effort to erode British culture in the interesets of Multi-Culturalism.
There ya go. fixed it for ya.
“Well, the BBC lives in a world in which the Jerusalem Post is not reliable, but Hamas sources are… You heard from Angry Young Alex, they’re the government, so we have to believe them.”
Over foreign media, well, yes. Or when Germany invaded Poland in 1939, would it have been better for the BBC to get its information from a German newspaper rather than the Poles?
Can someone name those BBC people responsible for the anti Israel reporting. I would love to question them at some time
Lemar | 02.03.08 – 8:16 am
Not necessarily in order of the most vitriolic first:
Jon Leyne
Jim Muir
Alan Little
Paul Adams
Tim Franks
Hugh Sykes
Katya Adler
Matthew Price
Martin Patience
Orla Guerin (Now in South Africa)
Barbara Plett (Now in Pakistan)
There are many more, of course, all overseen by chief Hamas propagandist, Middle East “editor” Jeremy War Crimes Bowen.
pounce:
Same baby two different photos;
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/…CfUnDyuHW_U0w–
and this one;
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/…poCUbd6Kph20w–
pounce | 02.03.08 – 12:46 am | #
Interesting to note that the Sunday Telegraph is using one of those dramatic ‘injured baby’ photos today.
Angry young Alex,
You hit the nail on the head. When a country is hit by missiles for three years continuously, you don’t get your information from those who fire them.
Angry Young Alex | Homepage | 02.03.08 – 10:21 am
That’s the kind of ignorant moral equivalence we have come to expect from you, no doubt designed to needle. Poland is a country that did nothing to warrant the invasion of its territory by Germany. Gaza is a terrorist nest run by Hamas, which cannot be allowed to attack Israel with impunity.
Re the reliability of the reports from both sides, anyone who has followed this conflict for some time knows who to believe when there are conflicting claims. And Hamas is now edging toward Hezbollah-style fauxtography, as revealed by pounce.
Sly comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany say everything about the person making the comparison and nothing about Israel.
Brian,
If Angry Alex’s perverted equivalence is taken to its logical conclusion, then WW2 started on 6th June 1944.
😉
Btw while this post have a Qassam Tag. The attacks against Askhelon cannot be made by Qassam’s.
Palestinians have been supplied by Grad(Soviet Design made all over the world) rockets variants with over 20km range and a warhead of a dozen kilos.
So that is another BBC idiocy. They are certainly helping and expecting that Hamas turn in another Hiz-b-allah.
“Sly comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany say everything about the person making the comparison and nothing about Israel.”
I had no intention of saying anything about Israel.
I was talking about the BBC’s sourcing. Either it goes to local government or media. If it gets Israeli body counts from the Israeli government, it should get Palestinian body counts from the Palestinian government. What you lot seem to be asking is that it goes to Israeli sources for both, and trusts newspapers over elected government.
Less extreme example, what if the BBC used a Palestinian newspaper as a source on Israeli casualties? If it got its stats on the July 7th bombings from ‘Le Monde’? Even in the second, B-BBC outrage on a scale of one to ten would be in the high twenties, wouldn’t it?