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  1. Allan@Oslo says:

    “The scene provides an insight into how some of America’s 4 million Muslims are feeling about the Presidential race. And the truth is, many are angry. ”

    Apart from when Jews are murdered and 9/11, can muslims ever be described as anything other than “angry”? What a lovely cult.

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  2. emil says:

    This constant anger seems rather a paradox to me, isn’t the whole premise of this religion that whatever happens is the Will of God?

    ps I suspect quite a few of us in Britain (of all races) are very angry at the way the establishment have screwed up our economy and, in many cases, jobs and homes. But are we ever described as such ?

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  3. Martin says:

    MattLondon: Skinner is a coward and a wanker and everyone else was wearing one that I saw in Parliament. Why does he have to be such a twat? Is it because he’s a typical camp Socialist?

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  4. Jonathan Boyd Hunt says:

    Tory Hunt critical of BBC’s £60m local web plans

    Nothing to do with me.

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  5. George R says:

    The BBC is gearing up to the highlight of the long jaunt that record numbers of Beeboids have been on in the USA: the BBC election night party on 4 November.

    As a politically biased climax for its Obama election coverage, the BBC indulges with:

    “JOHN SIMPSON reporting from the BLACK community”

    Where is the BBC reporting from the WHITE community?

    http://www.bbcworldnews.com/Pages/Programme.aspx?id=229

    Also:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00fd0jx

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  6. John Bosworth says:

    Jonathan Boyd Hunt:

    The time has come (again) for the BBC to reveal its plan for world domination. Perhaps it would be clearer if the BBC told us what part of everyday activity they don’t to spill into? Radio, TV, local, web, magazines…how about telephone networks, insurance, banking, travel, politics (oops! They’re already into that, sorry), chocolate manufacturing, health services etc etc. The ambition of this mafia of second-raters is boundless.

    And I thought the BBC was about “broadcasting”.

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  7. mikewineliberal says:

    I for one cannot wait. It could be the best or worst of nights. But unmissable.

    Can anyone advise when the result is likely to be known? I was thinking of staying up to watch.

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  8. George R says:

    The BBC is now moving into full-throttle, pro-Obama SCHAMA mode: he ‘s on U.S. ‘Question Time’ tommorrow; he does his fourth hour on pro-black, pro-Democrat Party, pro-Obama ‘The Future America’on Friday BBC 2; and he’ll be on 4th November, Election night, of course.

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  9. Martin says:

    The BBC wankers telling lies again on the news. On the son of gods 30 minute political soap the BBC state that he has more money than McCain implying of course that the son of god is more popular.

    No BBC wankstains, McCain ANd Obama agreed to only take public funding. However, when the son of god saw how much money he coul draise he went back on his promise.

    This FACT is totally ignored by the BBC wankers.

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  10. jimbob says:

    @ xlr

    “The cold air originates in the Arctic and it has not been polluted, which is why it feels so crisp”

    but .. but … David Shukman said on 24.5.07 that:

    “The Arctic may be remote and look pristine but it has become an industrial dustbin. Exhaust fumes and chimney smoke from the cities and factories of Europe, America and Asia all make their way North and the pattern of the winds mean that most of them stay. ”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6687139.stm

    either it’s an industrial dustbin or it isn’t , make your minn up!

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  11. George R says:

    The myth about OBAMA and Slavery continues.

    Author Bill WARNER thinks that Obama should put the historical record straight:

    “Obama represents the chance to help heal the curse of slavery in America by revealing its complete history. He is a descendant of a white woman who had slave owners in her ancestry. His African father descended from those who enslaved the Africans. Obama is descended from slave owners and slave traders, but he does not have a single drop of slave blood in him.

    “Since race trumps all, everyone sees him as being representative of America’s slave descendants. It becomes true simply because in a race/culture-obsessed society, some want it to be true. Obama’s slave ancestry is a fiction and not reality.” (Bill Warner.)

    ‘Barack Obama and Slavery’
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_slavery.html

    In contrast, SCHAMA, in his blurb for part 4 of BBC ‘The American Future’ is euphoric, all in one sentence, about John Kennedy, open-door immigration policy, and an impending election of a Barack Obama who has the ancestry as described above by Bill Warner:

    Blurb for Schama’s Part 4:

    “John F Kennedy defined America as a Nation of Immigrants in 1964 and Simon argues that the candidacy of Barack Obama represents the final triumph of the vision of America as a multi-ethnic nation.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00fbd0d

    Of course, Lawrence AUSTER disagrees with the politics of that here:

    “The Path to National Suicide: An Essay in Immigration and Multiculturalism”

    Click to access PNS.pdf

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  12. Cassandra says:

    Jimbob,

    Its a happy time for sceptics as we watch the beeboid propagandists tie themselves in knots trying to explain away observable reality as supportive of the AGW/MMCC theories.
    I sense an undercurrent of desperation and perhaps even a hint of anger from the BBC political propagandists that the natural world doesnt want to conform to a socio/ political script but actually works to a simple yet profoundly complex set of subtle and interactive mechanisms way beyond the scope of even the most advanced super computer yet devised.

    What is AGW/MMCC?

    Not since the theory of eugenics, which partially validated(in their warped view)the whacko nazi superman malarky has a scientific theory so perfectly fitted with a geopolitical aim.

    AGW/MMC is a political objective nothing more and nothing less, without political support and political agitation the theory would have long since gone the way of the hollow earth theory!

    Watch and wait for the simple phrase,
    ‘scientists have found that C02 does not not contribute as much to the greenhouse effect as first thought’ that small admission will signal the inevitable collapse of their hopes for AGW/MMCC preceeded of course by desperate casting around for another manmade witch substitute!
    Then surprise surprise comrades Black/Horrorbin/Shukman will be saying that they had doubts all along about AGW/MMCC.

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  13. The Hum says:

    Yet again Al Beeb’s capacity to rob the poor, to pay for Woss and chums leaves me colder than a body found on Silent Witness……I see that the latest 6 o’clock folly already has the rebuttal unit working overtime, with some oblique dross from some fool standing outside the Ministry of Truth (probably with a 60 odd strong camera and sound crew) telling us that it’s a “generational thing” and that “younger listeners” (and I can only assume that the Beeboid is referring to its young, funky liberal staff) like “edgy humour”, and “fail to see what the fuss is about”.

    What a load of cock and bull! Say again how much is Woss getting? It is certainly NOT £18 million worth of laughs.

    The sheer audacity of Al Beeb is breathtaking. It is an bloated, politically motivated relic of socialism, staffed by politically correct halfwits that Harperson would be proud of, all of whom for the past few weeks have been, with cheerleader Peston acting like some deranged ADHD sufferer leading the charge, breathlessly telling us that evil capitalism is about to fall, that its all those fat Americans fault (not to mention those whale hunting maniacs from Iceland), aided and betted from the fat cats in the city and those evil Tory’s because of economic policies introduced some 30 odd years ago. No doubt in Al Beebs worldview that the Jews and Freemasons are also involved as well, when not eating Palestinian babies or carrying out ritual sacrifice in the woods.

    You can almost picture the nightly gang bang after “News “night, when the likes of Esler,Wark, Paxo, Crick, Grossman et al get out their copies of Das Kapital in the same way that dirty old men get out their copies of Men Only……

    There is probably a tiny grain of truth in some of the above, but I am hardly going to take it seriously, coming from the same parasitic bunch of snouts in the trough, who only last year were complaining that they were not getting enough cash to make “quality” programmes, who when not funding Islamic extremist organizations with the cash from Children in Need, were ripping of the punters on Blue Peter, Radio 1 etc.

    So next time those Beeboid goons wheel out a puff piece on posh Tory’s or another tiresome class war narration from Paul Mason, just remember that cost US £139.50 ……….

    Beat the Credit Crunch….Bin the Telly Tax

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  14. John says:

    Spooks

    Just watched Series 7 Episode 1 on the iPlayer. It’s brilliant. Well done the BBC. Something that’s patriotic. I’ve never seen Spooks before, but if this is typical it’s excellent news. Gripping entertainment, and powerful stuff.

    Praise where praise is due. Hope Episode 2 is just as good.

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  15. The Hum says:

    John:

    Are you watching the same programme as I have been advoiding?

    Spooks is the deep down in the gutter of entertainment- a poor mans 24, which isn’t saying much.

    I gather the Russians are this series villians, but no doubt the evil CIA/Jews/Tories will raise their heads soon…..

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  16. Tom FD says:

    Nice to see how balanced the Brand debate is on Newsnight. Who have they got on? Three pro-BBC satirists.

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  17. Aero says:

    I’ve just sent in a complaint on that Newsnight ‘debate’

    In a nutshell

    “The BBC is great
    -I agree
    -So do I
    Well, there you have it”

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  18. Mailman says:

    The wife pointed out a bit of reality today.

    Ross wont be let go simply because he will be snapped up by another network AND take all the 10’s of viewers who watch him with him.

    It will come down to a commercial decision to keep Ross onboard.

    Sucks, but Mrs Mailman has spoken.

    You heard it here first! 🙂

    Mailman

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  19. Jason says:

    Today on the BBC website:

    Smarting Muslims ‘swing behind Obama’

    A fantastic example of the level of complete and utter bollocks which passes for journalism in these, the dying days of the British Broadcasting Corporation. Where to start?

    “They are kneeling in prayer, the men sitting separately opposite them.

    The scene provides an insight into how some of America’s 4 million Muslims are feeling about the Presidential race. And the truth is, many are angry.”

    The sight of a group of Muslims kneeling in prayer in a Mosque provides insight into how “some” (notice the “some”) of America’s 4 million Muslims feel about the election? So what was it – how they were kneeling? The position of the men relative to them?

    Also note that the entire premise behind the Beeb’s assertion that Muslims are “smarting” and “angry” and “swinging towards Obama” is based on the feelings of Muslims in one Mosque in Queens – a borough of a city in which you’d be hard pressed to find a single person who isn’t planning on voting for Obama. We’re 3 paragraphs in and already the piece has about as much journalistic merit as a primary school newsletter. LESS journalistic merit.

    “They feel they’ve been rejected by mainstream politics in the US, a result perhaps of the 9/11 attacks by followers of Osama Bin Laden, the Islamic extremist, and for which many still feel hated and alienated by their fellow citizens. “

    Does anyone get the impression when reading BBC articles like this that it’s the writer who decides how these people “feel,” not the people themselves? Also, what does she mean by “many”? A thousand people is “many” for instance, but insignificant compared to 4 million.

    I wonder if Sima bothered to take a cursory look at some hate crime statistics for the U.S. to get a better idea of who’s “hated” the most in America. In fact anti-Muslim hate crimes remain relatively rare: in 2007, of all religious hate crimes, 68% were directed at Jews and only 9% against Muslims. This is only 4% higher than the percentage of hate crimes which are directed against Catholics – and Catholics didn’t slaughter almost 3000 innocent Americans just 7 years ago.

    But religious hate crimes pale in number compared to race hate crimes. There are many, many times more anti-white hate crimes in the US than anti-Muslim hate crimes, mostly perpetrated by blacks, and yet you aren’t likely to see the Beeb writing articles about how whites in America “feel rejected” by mainstream politics which only seem to care about victims of hate who aren’t white Christians. If they did, you can bet that they would do everything they could do paint such people as “angry, bitter white supremacists.”

    Next up, a woman in the mosque and her view of Obama:

    “She also happens to think, wrongly, that he’s a Muslim. “

    Note how careful the BBC is to correct her here. Also note the free pass that Anoushka gets here – she just “happens” to think that Obama’s a Muslim. Almost makes one think that there’s nothing wrong with just “happening” to think that way, doesn’t it? You can bet your arse that if the subject were some toothless hick at a McCain rally, they wouldn’t just “happen” to think that Obama was a Muslim. No, the Beeb would waste no time in framing their opinion in the context of uneducated right-wing ignorance – an example of the “kind of people who support McCain.”

    But note that no attempt is made to correct another in the mosque, Azeem Khan, when he says:

    “He said: “I’m also troubled by, not what Senator McCain says, but what members of the party say, and it is permitted to be said.

    “Such things as, ‘Well you know that Mr Obama is a Muslim’. Well, the correct answer is, ‘He is not a Muslim, he’s a Christian, he’s always been a Christian.'”

    Who “in McCain’s party” has claimed that Obama is a Muslim? Who is “permitting” these things to be said? First of all, there is something called “freedom of speech” in America – but I don’t expect the average Beeboid to understand that concept in the slightest. But regardless, there is nobody in McCain’s campaign or in the Republican Party “saying that Obama is a Muslim.” Of course in the interests of fairness and consistency, Sima might have pointed out that McCain has been very particular about defending Obama and correcting anyone who shouts anything like that out at his rallies. The few rare cases where it has happened, furthermore. But this is the BBC – there is no fairness and the only thing that’s “consistent” is their ideological bias.

    And what would a complete piece of shite BBC article like this be without the obligatory almost-certainly-fake quote from someone who “didn’t want to give their name”?

    “This Texan woman who didn’t want to give Newsbeat her name is one of them.

    She said: “I really don’t care what Obama says because I don’t want someone with a Muslim background running our country. “

    And of course:

    “Her strongly held views demonstrate why so many of the Muslims in America feel isolated and unwelcome in the land of the free. “

    Again, I will ask: how many is “so many”? Does Sima base this on any empirical study, or is this just a piece of agenda-driven creative writing, like most of the bullshit I read on the BBC website these days?

    Perhaps she’d like to compare and contrast, for example, the feelings of Muslims in European countries compared to those in America. I live in New York. I’ve spoken to many Muslims in my time here. They’re far more integrated into the Western way of life than Muslims in many parts of Europe. American Muslims on the whole don’t live in enclaves and all-Muslim ghettos like they do in, for example, Holland and France. How many Muslim riots in America have you heard about? None. Most Muslims in America are hard working immigrants following the American dream, not angry welfare scroungers on a mission to turn the place into an Islamic state – compare and contrast with European Muslims demanding Muslim-only beaches, sharia law and the end of freedom of speech.

    To be honest I’m sick to god damn death of the endless, relentless attacks on America from the horrible little left-wing shits at the Beeb. The only consolation rests in the fact that this worthless organization will soon, hopefully, be history.

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  20. Jason says:

    I see Gavin Hewitt has released his latest promotional Blurb for Obama:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/gavinhewitt/2008/10/the_songs_and_the_candidate_re.html

    If he plays his cards right he might one day land a job writing for “Oprah Magazine.”

    Seriously though, this blog entry should definitely go in our already-bursting-at-the-seams evidence file. If the BBC took its Charter at all seriously then this one blog entry would be grounds for Hewitt’s instant dismissal.

    I challenge you to read it all the way through without feeling queasy. I once saw two wizened old men wet-snogging each other in Greenwich Village – the disgust I felt then is virtually the same as I felt reading this.

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  21. Martin says:

    Aero. Yes the BBC Newsnight debate was a joke. Notice that the one group of people the BBC always ignore in these debates about the BBC is the ‘TV tax payer’

    It’s typical of the twats at the BBC. They despise the people who complained yet still take their TV tax money.

    3 guests all backing the BBC + a left wing twat of a presenter.

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  22. Martin says:

    Just watching Fox News. They reckon the race is still tightening and that there is a poll coming out that shows more Americans now trust McCain on the economy than the son of god. Something to do with “spreading the wealth around” that most Americans don’t seem to like.

    I still think McCain will win the election.

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  23. Jonathan Boyd Hunt says:

    John Bosworth | 29.10.08 – 6:54 pm:

    You got that spot on.

    Just what is it with the Beeb? It’s like they believe the Tories will win the next election and then inflict dreadful retribution for all its blatant biases over the years by scrapping its Royal Charter. Do they really think that the Tories are that smart? That they’re sufficiently perceptive to have appreciated what the Beeb’s been doing to them for the last (at least) thirty years?

    What else would explain why the Beeb has embarked upon what is clearly a “we-must-survive-at-all-costs” business plan involving the obvious implementation of an irreversible integration of the Corporation in every strata of the U.K. and world media; from travel guides, world TV and radio, to the planned expansion in local news dissemination?

    It’s clear the Beeb is in a race to ensure it is so interwoven and established at so many levels that no Tory axe would have any effect.

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  24. Millie Tant says:

    What can a person feel but disgust at the swaggering arrogance and sheer grasping greed of this thuggish organisation? From constantly scheming, spinning and plotting to wrest even more money from the likes of the working poor and pensioners who can barely heat and eat, to throwing a hissy fit to stop any other broadcaster getting public money, to feeding talentless louts like the loser Ross, to doing its best to put local papers out of business, is there nothing to which it will not stoop in pursuit of its own special position of feather-bedded dominance?

    Nobody should be forced to pay for this. It is not a socially responsible organisation; it has no sense of decency, no morals, no integrity, no love or respect for this country or its people who are forced to support it whether they can afford it or not.

    It is an object lesson in the perils of overfunding. Almost everything that is bad about the BBC is either caused by or made much worse by the sheer scale of public funding. The best thing that could be done for it would be a massive axe-swing and a drastic cut of tax subsidy to a fraction (about a hundredth) of current level. Instant end to problems such as over-staffing, vast overpaying of talentless gasbag nonentities like Ross, relentless shallow chatter and ridiculous propaganda from America and other places.

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  25. Cassandra says:

    The polls are getting tight now, this we all knew would happen, it seems Joe average doesnt like the idea of socialist forced redistribution of their money by a socialist elite immune from their own policies! Socialism never took off in the USA and most people go through their lives never dreaming of going to the ‘guvmint’ cap in hand or with pathetic childish skin colour excuses like ‘Im only dirt poor cos whitey wont gimme his dosh’ type drivel!

    Will codger McCain be a good CIC? Well he cant be worse than chimpy no brain can he?

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  26. GCooper says:

    When the history of the BBC comes to be written (by anyone who isn’t a Marxist, that is) the chapter dealing with the absolute loss of balance and fairness while covering this current US election campaign will be a long and painful one.

    With its naked, partisan bias in favour of Obama, the BBC has absolutely abandoned any pretence at even-handedness and accurate reporting. And I say that as someone who has grave misgivings about both candidates.

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  27. Cassandra says:

    The TOADY SHOW are reporting on a RSPB ‘study’ that blames “global warming” for the decline of sand eels which in turn is the cause of declining sea bird populations.

    But what they seem to ‘forget’ is that the decline in sand eels is due to fishing fleets overfishing sand eel stocks to use as animal feed etc which is a direct effect of the EU CFP.
    The RSBP knows their excuse is a barefaced lie and the TOADIES know its a barefaced lie but they are under orders not to report negative stories about the EU and they are also under orders to flog ‘global warming’ fairy tales at every opportunity!
    Just why the once proud RSPB would stoop to petty lying is beyond me unless their flogging of the AGW/MMCC lies means they get extra funding from the central EU regime and the local UK regime!

    Its obvious that over fishing would would destroy the seabird populations that depend on a particular food source and that the ‘report’ is a load of rubbish but they still do it. Lying cheating scumbags flogging lies to a gullible public? Sounds like the BBC to me.

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  28. George R says:

    The vast hordes of BBC ‘reporters’ in the USA, ostensibly there to cover the Election, cannot be expected to criticise the like-minded, Obama-supporting ‘L.A. Times’:

    “McCain slams ‘L.A.Times’ for Double Standard in withholding Obama-Khalidi Tape”

    http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/29/mccain-slams-la-times-double-standard-withholding-obama-khalidi-tape/

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  29. whitewineliberal says:

    Martin, Cassandra – for a proper analysis on where the polls stand

    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/todays-polls-1029.html

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  30. Roland Deschain says:

    Listening to the story about Obama’s half-hour advert on the Today news headlines at 8:00, we heard the reporter’s opinion that it was “authorative”.

    I was struck by the fact that we did not hear a selection of what the American public thought of it, as we normally would. Is that because they were unimpressed, having had their football game delayed, and the BBC would rather not tell us?

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  31. Robin says:

    While the Brand-Ross furore continues, the BBC obsession – far more serious in terms of long-term impartiality – with climate change idiocy wears relentlessly on. The blogsphere is full this morning of the strange contrast of MPs passing a ludicrously restrictive ‘climate change’ bill on the day that London had its coledest October since 1922. On the BBC – zilch. But the website is teeming with other stories centred on ‘carbon’ lunacy, including one that the Royal Society is planning to dump millions of tons of iron filings in the sea so that the oceans will absorb ‘carbon’ at a greater rate. You coulddn’t make it up. But the BBC reports it all with all the enthusiasm of a demented schoolboy.

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  32. George R says:

    The BBC showed its political bias by putting the Osborne issue above that of MANDELSON; however, perhaps late in the day, the BBC is seeing the greater unavoidable political significance in the Mandelson issues, despite the BBC’s own Labour political predilections.

    As Paul Waugh points out, the BBC had a searching interview with Mandelson on BBC News 24:

    “Mandelson’s ‘News 24’ disaster”

    http://waugh.standard.co.uk/2008/10/mandelsons-news.html

    However, Paul Waugh sees this BBC video interview indicting Mandelson more tellingly than does the BBC web report of its own interview!:

    “Mandelson urges end to Russia row”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7697211.stm

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  33. mailman says:

    Roland Deschain, watched the same report but thought because of the brevity of it (ie. no fawning over “The One” ™) that it must have been a bit of a non-event.

    Watched coverage on sky news, which was infinately less biased. They started off with a very short article on the tv program and ended with McCain putting the boot in about broken promises and what that says about the guy.

    Imagine Al Beeb running the same thing…well do they, but 100% of the time its the other way round with Obama or one of his thugs getting the last word (or worse, Webb giving us his opinion as if that was the news!).

    Mailman

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  34. mailman says:

    Jason,

    You have touched on something that very few at Al beeb will ever talk about. That Muslims in America have bought in to the American dream.

    This is a huge difference in attitude between Muslims in England and Muslims in America.

    American muslims as a whole believe they can achieve what ever they want. They arent blighted by the hatred that infects muslims in this country.

    And that is probably the single biggest reason you dont see Muslims sponteaneously detonating on public transport or in restaurants in America. These guys have integrated in a way that muslims in this country can only dream of.

    Think about it, America is supposed to be the great satan, the object of hatred for all muslims YET muslims in america arent rising up against the great satan to topple it. No, they believe they have a better future being part of america.

    Mailman

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  35. RR says:

    Cassandra:
    Yo’re absolutely right. Sand eels were in decline as long ago as the 80s, long before the AGW scam took off.

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  36. David says:

    Roland; I spoke to an American friend of mine very late last night and he loathed it. He’s actually closer to the Democrats than the Republicans, but he said the ad felt like a combination of a lecture and a puff-piece. The phrase “way too up himself” was mentioned.

    Make of that what you will…

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  37. The Beebinator says:

    Certainly this year has been an annus horribilis for Al Beeb – even more so than last year

    it’ll bounce back tho, it always does. we need to remain vigilant and cut out the cancerous growth that is Al Beeb at every opportunity

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  38. anon says:

    mailman:
    don’t kid yourself, mate. Islam is Islam, Muslims are Muslims.

    “Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled or incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world….But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world.” Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini – and say what you like about him, he knew his Islam.

    No, Muslims currently make up around 1% of the US population. They are not in a position to act up in earnest – yet. That comes later.

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  39. Sue says:

    Did anyone hear the item on Today about Orson Welles, War of the Worlds, and could it happen again now we’re so media savvy.

    Guardian writer Richard Hand was telling us about urban myths and that tens of millions of people were gullible enough to believe that 9/11 was an inside job, and even , would you adam’n-eve-it, …Barack Obama is a practicing Muslim?
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7699000/7699347.stm

    Ha haha not once but twice he was careful to say, a PRACTICING muslim – There’s a grain of truth in these urban myths dontcha know – even the great spaghetti tree hoax – the vegetable spaghetti plant is a reality too.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti_squash

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  40. HSLD says:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7697380.stm

    Looks like the Norton motorcycle is coming back. The BBC somehow manages to work Che Guevara into the story.

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  41. DB says:

    Forgot to mention this earlier re my comment which was “referred to the moderators” even though Justin Webb linked to it. It has now reappeared, no doubt because Hugh highlighted it, but not before I had received an email from the BBC telling me it had been removed because it was “defamatory”.

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  42. mailman says:

    Anon,

    The fact is, Muslims in America dont hate their home as much as Muslims in England do.

    Mailman

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  43. mailman says:

    This is the kind of thing Id love to see Al Beeb run, sort of to balance out the bias from Webb and co;

    http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/29/obama-tv-dear-leaders-infomercial/

    Did anyone actually see Obama’s half hour? If so, did it cover any of his many achievements in the Senate?

    hahaha 🙂

    Mailman

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  44. Martin says:

    The Beebinator: Be careful about using words like “annus” around here. There are beeboids who might get turned on by it.

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  45. Tom says:

    DB | 30.10.08 – 2:37 pm

    Did it say whom you were supposed to have defamed?

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  46. whynot says:

    This morning, Sat., “Today” were droning on about an Israeli skin product company, some of whose output originates from the “occupied” territories. But the real sub text was so that Al beeb could say that every country in the world except Israel considers settlements et al to be illegal under international law. Of course they never precise under exactly what international law. (The Fourth Geneva Convention says that an occupying power may place its own citizens who are not coerced in a territory it took in self defence as long as the existing population has not been displaced. No Arabs have been deported or otherwise forcibly moved since 1967.)
    The beeboid, one Tim Franks, then said that Britain is looking into the possibility that importing these products to the UK may be illegal for several reasons, one of which is that they are not clearly labelled as to place of origin. The Israeli who runs the company said that it operates mostly in the Tel Aviv area but uses labour from “settlements”. Well, the programme did go on for more than necessary, I believe about five minutes, thereby trying rather unsuccessfully to blow it out of all proportion. They forget that the company provides employment both in Israel, manufacturing etc. and in the UK, distribution and sales. Once again al-beeb gets its priorities right!

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