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Astonishing piece about cheating Israelis from Al-BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm
Are they utterly unaware of this:
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/08/corruption-of-media.html
The simple point here is this:
Israel is bombing a huge area and we don’t know that they are killing terrorists, but it does seem highly unlikely you must admit that 380 plus people are ALL terrorists. Unless of course you are of the belief that all Muslims are terrorists. The Israelis are not trying to kill innocent people but it is happening, and it is achieving nothing.
re: DEJ | 02.01.09 – 7:16 pm
I like the term Beeboid, it rhymes with hemorrhoid. If you look at the definition of hemorrhoid, you will notice some similarities with BBC employees:
Definition of hemorrhoid: Hemorrhoids are enlarged veins in the anus or lower rectum. They often go unnoticed, but can cause long-lasting discomfort, bleeding and be excruciatingly painful.
Alex Reynolds | 03.01.09 – 4:57 pm |
No Alex, the simple point is, Israel does not want to kill innocent people.
Hamas does.
Thats a bit simple isnt it? Hamas are not simply trying to kill innocent people, they feel that they only way they can further their goals (Palestinian soveriegnty) is through war, which is all thats left to them really after the peace deal is going nowhere. Hamas are more likely attempting to scare Israel, than simnply to kill people, as killing people (Jews or otherwsie) in itself does not help their cause. if they keep firing into israel they think it makes them look strong, plus they must know israel will retaliate and hence unleash even worse violence on them.
Don’t fall into the trap of taking sides here, Hamas are not simply evil terrorists who want to kill everyone. Its not black and white, theres grey in between. a lot of people posting here only seeblack and white, hence why they don’t like obama – who looks for the grey, and hence why the intelligent ones out there like obama cos they realise we dont need another load of Bush-like politicians who just see good/bad etc when life is far far more complex that that.
I’m no expert, and perhaps pounce or somebody else with more experience in these things could comment, but those cylinders look to me to be longer than the oxygen cylinders in the pictures posted by B’Tselem, and a different shape.
Indeed, I do have considerable experience of gas cylinders and the images in the IDF video are unlike any gas cylinders (oxygen or otherwise ) that I have ever seen, they are too long and too narrow.
Why are journalists so gullible?
Alex
Thank you for the guide to the moral complexities of the Middle East Question. You know, I think that I may have missed the subtleties of the situation. After all it has only being going on since 1948. The real issue is that the two parties see a zero sum game here – there is no mutually acceptable compromise position.
In such circumstances I very much doubt that the IDF would be bombing Gaza if there were no missiles being fired by Hamas. It is very clearly not in their interest to kill civilians (although, unfortunately, they do of course) whereas the indiscriminate rocketing of Israel has only one objective – to sow terror.
Personally I would be in favour of a similar anti- missile policy if a dispossessed minority (with no doubt legitimate grievances) were shooting into parts of Yorkshire from an ‘enclave’. To use some half witted journalist’s question – what is the acceptable daily number of missiles that we would accept falling on York?
The answer is obviously zero
Alex Reynolds | 03.01.09 – 5:53 pm |
What a load of tosh!
Human rights watch, not known for it`s love of Israel –
“The Hamas bombings have been the most destructive in human terms, killing at least 168 persons, 153 of whom were civilians, and injuring more than 949”
http://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports/2002/isrl-pa/ISRAELPA1002-05.htm#P735_169095
The Times has this extract from the Hamas Charter –
“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it” (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article721211.ece
Hamas would kill every man woman and child in Israel if they could
rightofcentre says
Hamas would kill every man woman and child in Israel if they could
If you think that you’re a fool, thats all I can say. Why don’t you look at things from the other point of view once in a while? Actually go and read about Hamas or Palestine and think about it from their point of view. I’m not asking you to change your opinions, nor agree with whatever you may read about Hamas, but as long as people like you simply take sides without ever learning about the region, the history, and without looking at things from both sides, we will have war and suffering.
This is not a hollywood movie of goodies and baddies, too many people on here seem to see things that way. Life is not set up like that. Think for yourselves don’t just pick and side and stick with it for life, looking only for what backs up your beliefs. Here endeth the sermon.
“Here endeth the sermon”
To quote DK “Fucking Hellski” 😆
Chuffer | 03.01.09 – 4:37 pm
Yeah, and unaware of this as well:
http://www.zombietime.com/fraud/ambulance/
Indeed, I do have considerable experience of gas cylinders and the images in the IDF video are unlike any gas cylinders (oxygen or otherwise ) that I have ever seen, they are too long and too narrow.
Why are journalists so gullible?
Arthur Dent | 03.01.09 – 5:59 pm
My thinking exactly.
Alex Reynolds | 03.01.09 – 6:36 pm,
Don’t be fooled. Hamas is a terrorist organisation that not only targets Israeli civilians, but takes delight in their death. Haven’t you seen the joyful celebrations after a suicide bombing? You need to study up on the conflict rather than telling others to do so.
And yes, sometimes it is as simple as the good guys versus the bad guys.
Alex, most of the people here went & read up on Islam & all of it’s macho posturing years ago. You really are wasting your time. We know what we know through extensive reasearch & have formed our opinions.
Hamas would kill every man woman and child in Israel if they could
If you think that you’re a fool, thats all I can say. Why don’t you look at things from the other point of view once in a while?
Alex Reynolds | 03.01.09 – 6:36 pm
Sure, let’s look at things from their point of view shall we?
Here’s the actual Hamas Charter.
http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm
The principles of the Hamas are stated in their Covenant or Charter, given in full below. Following are highlights.
“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.”
“The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. ”
“There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.”
“After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”, and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying.”
…
The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the links in the chain of the struggle against the Zionist invaders. It goes back to 1939, to the emergence of the martyr Izz al-Din al Kissam and his brethren the fighters, members of Moslem Brotherhood. It goes on to reach out and become one with another chain that includes the struggle of the Palestinians and Moslem Brotherhood in the 1948 war and the Jihad operations of the Moslem Brotherhood in 1968 and after.
Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah’s promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:
“The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).
What part of any of that don’t you understand?
Israel is bombing a huge area and we don’t know that they are killing terrorists, but it does seem highly unlikely you must admit that 380 plus people are ALL terrorists.
Alex Reynolds | 03.01.09 – 4:57 pm
Israel, until today, has carried out more than 700 operations.
380 plus dead terrorists, or even civilians, doesn’t seem excessive and certainly not “disproportionate” to me. No way is it a massacre, genocide, or slaughter. It averages out at around 2 dead Gazans per Israeli bomb!
Indeed, I do have considerable experience of gas cylinders and the images in the IDF video are unlike any gas cylinders (oxygen or otherwise ) that I have ever seen, they are too long and too narrow.
Why are journalists so gullible?
Arthur Dent | 03.01.09 – 5:59 pm
Thanks for that confirmation Arthur!
My first doubt centred on the length of the cylinders: you’d have to stand on a box to manipulate the valve if they were oxygen cylinders as claimed by the Pals and the BBC.
Biodegradable,
He’ll probably tell you it’s just bragging and they don’t mean it.
Meanwhile the battle is hotting up:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1230733150721&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Go IDF!
@Alex Reynolds
Try this philosophical proposition.
Suppose that some agency (the US, the un?) had the power to stop all the warlike activity of one side.
1. If the Israelis were stopped, would hamas carry on with their violence?
2. If hamas were stopped, would the Israelis carry on with their violence?
I believe the answers are:
1. Yes
2. No
That, in a nutshell, is why I believe that the Israelis are the good guys and hamas are the evil bastards.
“Hamas has vowed Israel WILL pay a high price”, is what Five Live’s newsreader has reassuringly read out to us all.
They did have a minor slip however, in mentioning that some Israeli soldiers have been killed. Still, had they been Palestinian, they’d have been “children” or the ever ubiquitous “doctors” they constantly seem to dig up.
Good comment on the Gaza Have Your Say:
Added: Saturday, 3 January, 2009, 21:35 GMT 21:35 UK
Ken Livingstone has exposed his vile ideology again, marching alongside Islamic extremists calling for Israel’s destruction.
This man should never be allowed to hold office again.
Sandy, uk
Recommended by 12 people
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=1&start=0&edition=2&ttl=20090103215649&forumID=5864�
After expressing her political sympathies for Hezbollah, then the Taliban (and its ‘humanity’) over the years, is the BBC’s (and BBC’s World Service), LYSE DOUCET going for the hat-trick now with her support for Hamas?
A question for the BBC:
Has the British so-called political ‘left’ finally become fully Islamic, with its current bout of shoe-throwing?:-
“Thousands throw shoes at Downing Street in protest against Israeli action in Gaza”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/4093219/Thousands-throw-shoes-at-Downing-Street-in-protest-against-Israeli-action-in-Gaza.html
“In Islamic culture, shoe-throwing shows disrespect”
http://www.newsday.com/services/newspaper/printedition/monday/nation/ny-usshoe1512272376dec15,0,4826404.story
The Left’s cognitive dissonance grows daily more bizarre – egged-on by its house organ, the BBC.
On the one hand, it’s in favour of homosexuality, feminism, abortion, pluralism, secularism and all the rest of the ‘progressive’ bandwagon.
On the other it openly supports islamofascism, which is the most hostile force on earth to all those causes.
Have they taken leave of their senses?
but those cylinders look to me to be longer than the oxygen cylinders in the pictures posted by B’Tselem, and a different shape.
Biodegradable | 03.01.09 – 1:11 pm
Indeed, I do have considerable experience of gas cylinders and the images in the IDF video are unlike any gas cylinders (oxygen or otherwise ) that I have ever seen, they are too long and too narrow.
Arthur Dent | 03.01.09 – 5:59 pm
Perhaps B’Tselem could produce and identical unexploded gas cylinder and we could compare it with the known dimensions of a Grad missile?
If it does turn out the pilot was mistaken then sorry it was an honest mistake under war time pressure. Grads BTW vary in length (2~3 metres) with Chinese Grads at 2.75.
Israel, until today, has carried out more than 700 operations.
380 plus dead terrorists, or even civilians, doesn’t seem excessive and certainly not “disproportionate” to me. No way is it a massacre, genocide, or slaughter. It averages out at around 2 dead Gazans per Israeli bomb!
Biodegradable | 03.01.09 – 7:40 pm
Sorry, I got that wrong. 700:380 works out at an average of 2 bombs per dead Gazan.
Arthur Dent: “Indeed, I do have considerable experience of gas cylinders and the images in the IDF video are unlike any gas cylinders (oxygen or otherwise ) that I have ever seen, they are too long and too narrow. Why are journalists so gullible?”
Biodegradable: “My first doubt centred on the length of the cylinders: you’d have to stand on a box to manipulate the valve if they were oxygen cylinders as claimed by the Pals and the BBC.”
I am not entirely convinced. In the videos the cylinders appear to be about the same height as the people handling them. I have used oxygen cylinders which were 1600mm (5’3″) so they could be telling the truth for once.
DB>
Your posts about Che Guevara above were outrageuous!
Especially the latest one that’s on the BBC. Might I suggest complaining, that one was simply communist drivel being allowed on the national, taxpayer funded UK broadcaster. Utterly shameful propaganda!
I’ll certainly be complaining about it.
Newmark,
Here’s a thought for you. The Israeli helicopter was in the vicintity for a reason….
GCooper | 03.01.09 – 11:42 pm
The Left’s cognitive dissonance grows daily more bizarre – egged-on by its house organ, the BBC.
On the one hand, it’s in favour of homosexuality, feminism, abortion, pluralism, secularism and all the rest of the ‘progressive’ bandwagon.
On the other it openly supports islamofascism, which is the most hostile force on earth to all those causes.
Have they taken leave of their senses?
The Cultural Marxists don’t really care about those conflicting causes. Those causes are just tools to attack traditional Western culture with, so it’s not bizzarre to them, it makes perfect sense. The only cause they truly believe in is attacking traditional Western culture.
Just saying that i have come to hate the bbc and their news broadcasting. I used to watch the bbc news untill about the age of 17 and could not see through the mist of crap they were pouring out. I now no longer have a tv or a tv license. and choose what i want to watch free online. It sucks im in Auz now and over here you dont have to pay to watch tv and best off all you dont get the bbc news, but you get good bbc programs, which are getting rarer i must say. DONT EAT ThHE CRAP THEE BBC PUT OUT!
I am not entirely convinced. In the videos the cylinders appear to be about the same height as the people handling them. I have used oxygen cylinders which were 1600mm (5’3″) so they could be telling the truth for once.
Newmark | 03.01.09 – 11:55 pm
One can’t tell from the B’Tselem photos how long the cylinders they claim were burnt are.
How convenient!
http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp
When Hamas – via its charter – says it wants to use Islam to obliterate Israel, what it really means is that it wants to buy Israel flowers, take it too see a romantic comedy, and engage in a little light petting on the back row.
You people (and that includes me) should learn to empathise with both sides. Just because Hamas’ activities are exclusively evil and terroristic does not mean they’re evil terrorists. I had a drug-induced fantasy that Hamas tended to rainbow-farting unicorns. So you see, they…
…can be good too. Life isn’t black and white. Well it used to be but now it’s in colour.
The bBC racist hate crimes and half the story.
Girl shot in face with pellet gun
A 14-year-old girl is recovering in hospital after she was shot in the face with a BB gun by a gang in Bolton, Greater Manchester Police said.
She had been walking home with friends in Gorton Street at about 2100 GMT on Friday when three men, believed to be aged about 18 or 19, surrounded them. They tried to grab the victim’s bag and as she fought back she was shot twice and hit with a metal pole.
The teenager has had surgery to remove a pellet from her chin.
Det Insp Simon Davies, of Bolton CID, said: “This is a truly horrific incident, where a young girl has been attacked and left injured by these malicious and cowardly individuals.
“It is extremely lucky this girl was not more seriously injured but the trauma of going through something like this will stay with her long after her wounds have healed.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7809567.stm
and what the bBC doesn’t tell you;
The girl was walking home on Gordon Avenue at the back of a petrol station with two friends, when three men described as Asian and around 18 to 19 years old approached them.
The victim and her friend walked off but realised their other friend was still near the men so they walked back to her.
The three men then surrounded the girl and one man pointed the gun at her face. The man then shot her. She also noticed another man holding a metal pole. One of the men tried to grab her bag and as she struggled with him she was shot again in the face and hit with the pole.
The men then grabbed her bag and ran off.
http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/4017759.Teenage_girl_shot_in_face/
The bBC racist hate crimes and half the story.
ive never watched Dr bloody who, but if its so out-fucking-standing, why does Al beeb have to advertise it all the time, and for fucks sake, its not worthy of being a news fucking headline
Unique, and in so many ways…
Sir Humphrey’s dodge makes Jenny Abramsky a dame
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5439492.ece
At the moment of writing, 6 out of the top 7 news articles on page one in here are anti-moslem articles.
tsk tsk tsk
Many ex-BBC people, Muslims and non-Muslims, not surprisingly, find it politically amenable to move from the BBC to the Hamas-supporting Al-Jazeera English TV, (which is financed by the Emir of Qatar) operating from London.
However, British journalist, Jonathan Hunt, moved from Sky News to Fox News, and presents different material on Hamas, e.g.:
“Heroic Treason?” (3 min video).
http://www.foxnews.com/video-search/m/21728161/heroic_treason.htm?pageid=23244
If Sunday’s Andrew Marr/Five Live Gabby Logan show love-in with Gordon Brown wasn’t enough, a puff-piece on the midday news for Brown was without balance. Naturally, again, no sign of an Opposition spokesman, just Vince Cable!! This is getting beyond a joke. Vince is a self-confessed friend of Brown, someone on the left of politics and not a member official Opposition.
Is this poor Tory media saavy, unavailability of tory spokespeople or appalling BBC bias? Oh, I though so.
Sky and Fox are just pro-Jewish TV, (as is the entire American media), while Al-J is muzzie TV.
Al-jazeera may still be “banned” in the USA, I haven’t checked recently.
I do know Al-J were refused access to America in the first instance because there was “no room” to fit this channel into the US mainstream media lineup.
It’s still amusing to watch the shenannigans of the global media output tho.
The Russkies are trying to get in on the act in recent years but they’re still not very polished, and the more polished you are the more convincingly sincere you can be when you transmit your particular brand of media propaganda.
ady:
Sky and Fox are just pro-Jewish TV, (as is the entire American media), while Al-J is muzzie TV.
Shite. Can’t even be bothered to respond to such braindead shite. Beyond this post, of course.
one of the bbcs lead uk stories today
A pub chain is cutting the price of a pint to 99p but an alcohol charity fears it could have damaging health effects.
actually there is a rash of islamic programmes coming up on bbc 4. so expect more ady
ady writes: “Sky and Fox are just pro-Jewish TV, (as is the entire American media)…”
That media studies GCSE course you’re on is doing you no good at all.
Still, it’ll stand you in good stead when you land the job at McDonalds.
Meanwhile on another jihad front, the BBC reports:
“Pilgrims die in Iraq bomb blast”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7810340.stm
A’Jihadwatch’ rejoinder:
‘Baghdad: Female suicide bomber reminds world that jihadists hate others besides Jews, murders 37 Shi’ites at mosque.’
“A Sunni woman seeks jihad martyrdom by murdering Shi’ite pilgrims at a shrine in Brave New Peaceful and Democratic Baghdad.”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024232.php
I see the rent boys at the BBC are spinning more lies from Mcfatty one eye. 100,000 jobs? Oh really?
So just how is someone who lost their job in Woolworth going to be employed installing data cabling then?
Only the rent boys at the BBC can stin this steaming pile of shite.
Still, it’ll stand you in good stead when you land the job at McDonalds.
GCooper | 04.01.09 – 1:14 pm | #
Surely McDonalds is also owned and run by the wily JEWS.
Ronald McDonald sure looks like Fagin to me.
Mein Gott is there NO escape from the Zionist control of our minds.
Is Gordy creating those jobs for us or more foreigners ?
Is anyone else infuriated by the BBCs insistance on its website that a steam train is nearing completion? A steam engine certainaly is but it is not a train! this sloppyness is awful.
By Martin Asser BBC News
“add the words “with a shoe” and you’re adding serious insult to the threat of possible injury. It’s that cultural significance that has added real sting to the assault by an Iraqi journalist against US President George W Bush at a Baghdad news conference.”
Taking a leaf from the Israeli “they fired first” retaliatory theme, George Bush in response removed his own shoe, carefully took aim, and throwing a long curve struck Muntadar al-Zeidi, a correspondent for Al-Baghdadia television,squarely on the nose, causing him to file an industrial injury lawsuit against his Egyptian employer.
Well, why not??? Is shoe throwing limited in some way to leftists?
‘Telegraph’:
“French government fears far-Left terrorism”
Will the UK be far behind? The UK variation would include the on-going political alliance with Islamic jihad supporters of Hamas, i.e. the BBC’s ‘activists’.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/4108595/French-government-fears-far-Left-terrorism.html