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oh and a lovely sympathetic interview with a deserter from Afghanistan who fled whilst on leave 2 yrs ago.
Problem with his story is that he wasn't front line and defected because he was "bullied" back here (or so he says)
Usual sympathetic approach, and when he claimed that the troops in Afghanistan have low morale etc, the interviewer failed to ask him how he knew as he hasn't been in the army for 2 yrs, and has no contact with his ex colleagues.
Perhaps he's watching BBC News
It's just fantastic how Clarkson has been calling Brown all things under the Sun. And not even on the record but in off-air remarks. But he still gets a talking to by the controller of BBC 2. Maybe someone should tell her to read Robin Aitken's book and all the foul language used against Mrs Thatcher at the BBC by BBC staff and management (not talent). One rule for them another rule for us.
Doug: Same thing happened to Carol Thatcher if you remember. Off air comments.
However, if you are a total c**t like Bridgestock or some other leftie scumbag you can say what you like about Maggie, Sarah Palin or George Bush (or Cameron)
Another bit of fabulous journalism from R4 about the Great Communicator Obama and his problems getting the Health Bill to pass though Congress, mainly due to the fascist Republicans who believe (God forbid) that it might be extraordinarily costly, and more to the point the tax raised might just disappear into general taxation.
He quoted ol' Ronnie Reagan helping to campaign against the health bill being approved back in the 50's, and for some reason noted Regans habit of advertising cigarettes in the same period.
His quick as lightning quip was that hypocrite Reagan and the Republicans seemed to think that health should only be in the hands of the rich.
Another example of correspondents subjecting us to their tiresome lefty opinions.
FACTS ONLY PLEASE BBC; we will sort out our own opinions
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/5901062/VAT-idiocy-will-cost-businesses-at-least-300-million.html
common sense Darling?
Does anyone have a link to the Black police officer in the Gates saga defending his white colleague?
I am not very good at googling or whatever.
Thespecialone: Try the Drudge Report.
The BBC article, Harvard row highlights US tensions
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8166278.stm), tackles the issue of racial profiling:
Professor Ian Ayres of Yale University which found that African-Americans are nearly three times as likely to be stopped by the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) as whites.
"These disparities are not justified by crime rates in different neighborhoods where people of color live," Professor Ayres writes. "Nor do the disparities arise because more police are assigned to black or Latino neighborhoods."
Just one problem with this study, and a rather crucial one: it didn't control for the racial disparity amongst the criminals themselves. Blacks and Hispanics commit crimes in the US at many times the rates of whites and Asians. Indeed, it's estimated that an incredible 1/3 of all black males presently born in the US will spend time in jail at some point in their lifetime (for the sake of comparison, 5-6% of whites will).
Actually, there were other problems with the study, but that one alone disqualifies it from serious debate.
The BBC article, Harvard row highlights US tensions is a classic piece of BBC pseudo-liberalism.
As more unfolds, it is clear that the real story is about race baiters in the US and their attempt to wriggle out of every misdemeanor by playing the racist card. Hell will freeze over though before the BBC produces an article 'Harvard row highlights race-baiting problem'
Amazing how a whole industry grows up around these race baiters – I see that Gates has an academic post in the pseudo-subject 'black history'. For these people racial divisions really do make their world go round.
John Stevens
Agreed.
But the wholeincident has been made farworse by Obama's ill-considered remarks – and his subsequent non-apology show him to be Race-Baiter in Chief.
I think this spat will do Obama a lot of damage. But it shows him in his community-activist true colours.
On the 6am news on the World Service, the BBC decided the Gates story was: "white police office arrests black academic in his own home". The BBC's conclusion is: white racism is still rampant in the USA" and the automatic newsroom went into full operation.
As evidence they produced a black academic (female) from a "black university" who told the story from a few years ago of how she and her fellow teachers were harassed by DC police (all white of course) over illegal parking in a Washington park. We heard her side of the story and that was that. She claimed she wept when she heard about the Gates' fiasco. So the BBC brought forth a woman from the past as a witness to the current story, the details of which are still not complete. But we know the BBC, don't we? "What the hell…any 'evidence' will do."
Let's put aside the actual incident for the moment and look at Obama's RESPONSE to the question posed at the press conference. The fact that he didn't do what any rookie politician would have done – i.e. dodge the question, claim the incident was 'under investigation', get the hell out of the room – but instead blamed the police and played the race card – shows how dangerous he is because of his naivety and inexperience. And how near the surface his anger lies. Who is he? The President – with Presidential powers – or an absolute monarch? (Don't answer that one).
In its eagerness to convict white America, what questions has the BBC not asked? What were the police officer's responsibilities on being called to the scene? Wasn't it his duty to question Gates and verify his identity? Did the identity card Gates showed the policeman have his address written down – some cards do not and Gates had more than one identity card? Wasn't it the officer's duty to ask Gates to step out of the house and check in case there really was an intruder of whom Gates was unaware? Wasn't it his duty to protect Gates from such an intruder? Was it Gates who over-reacted and not the cop? Do Harvard professors really talk like that? etc etc etc.
The number of Obama cronies relying on their links to him is growing. The "Do you know who I am – my pal is the President" seems to work.
All of this was ignored by the BBC: "white cop arrests black academic in his own home."
If I had been at the press conference and Obama said the police acted stupidly I would have asked him to tell me in detail what actually went down that night. I'd love to hear the real story. He doesn't know. Even now: NOBODY KNOWS!!!
But the BBC have decided that a white police officer arrested a black academic in his own home and that's proof of racism. Well, there may be residual racism in the USA but judging from Obama's hasty climb down, his apology to the cop and the invitation for the cop and Gates to "come and have a beer in the White House" this incident is turning out NOT to be proof of it. But the BBC is eager that it is.
I am ashamed to have once been employed by such a bunch or amateurs. Call themselves journalists?
PS This just posted: a black police officer at the scene supports Sgt Crowley's version of the arrest. "Gates was acting strangely". Will the BBC follow up?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-ap-us-harvard-scholar-arresting-officer,0,4731766.story
No, the BBC have already gone past the point of reporting the actual inconvenient facts of the case. All that matters now is the story's signficance – what are the lessons to be learned, etc. etc. ad nauseum.
Norwich by-election >> Cameron was very keen to emphasize how dishonest the labour campaign had been , saying how they had delberately frightened voters with lies about all the nasty thing that the tories would do. I wanted to hear more about this aspect of the campaign. The BBC could have covered this and investigated, but the whole story was dropped like a hot potatoa. If it had been labour complaining about dirty tactics from the conservatives then I am sure that the BBC would have worked the story to death.
Gatesgate will lose Obama another several points in the opinion polls. At the 6-month stage, he has a lower approval rating than 10 out of 12 Presidents. And is way below George Bush's polling.
Buyers' remorse is setting in with a vengeance, I think.
Bang goes kneecap and trade, bang goes the trillion-dollar socialised medicine bill.
………..
One good reason police officers ask a person to come out on the porch is that sometimes they are speaking under duress from an intruder.
There is now plenty of evidence – witnesses, phine records etc that Gates went ballistic. He was the one doing the stereotyping, not the police sergeant.
And the sergeant runs regular courses for police recruits on how to avoid racial profiling.
Sweet sweet sweet. But Obama is such a narcissist, he thinks he can get away with crap like this.
It's hard to believe that an article about Iran can be used to smear Israel but the BBC does it.
Iran accused of 'Zionist' tactics
Why the scare quotes? Is there any doubt he said it? Who accused Iran?
One of the defeated moderate candidates in Iran's presidential election, Mehdi Karroubi, has accused security forces of using harsher methods than Israel.
Who says Mehdi Karroubi, a cleric, is a moderate? To run as a candidate for Iranian President he has to be acceptable to the Mullahs.
"The behaviour of Iran's security agents is worse than those of the Zionist in occupied Palestine," a statement on his website said.
The Zionist charge is repeated three times: in the headline, in the crucial leading paragraph and in the first paragraph of the body text and later this follows.
"This is more painful in comparison to crimes committed by the Zionists against the oppressed people of Palestine… The Zionist aggressors have some reservations when it comes to confronting women."
It took some time for some details of the comparison to come to light. The Zionists avoid beating women.
If one of the resident trolls is reading this. Try replacing the word 'Zionist'with 'Fascist' or 'Nazi' to hear how it sound to the average listener.
By repeating the charges four times with no query, sceptism or reply the focus of the article is taken away from Iran and on to Israel.
The steady drip, drip of poison, a BBC speciality.
Listening to Jim Muir on the radio the other day, I wondered why he was so being so enthusiastic about 'Change', a force challenging the ruling coalition of Iraqi Kurdistan in this week's elections.
The BBC News website gives the answer: "Some of its more optimistic supporters believe it could win enough seats to team up with Islamists and leftists to deny the two big parties a majority." (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8168421.stm)
A organisation that would gladly team up with Islamists and leftists? Sounds like the BBC.
Trevor Phillips, the 'Equalities and Human Rights Commission' (EHCR), the BBC and 'racism'.
BBC's sycophantic report:
"Equality chief urged to quit post"
('UK' page.)
IN CONTRAST, 'Sunday Times' report:
"Equality boss 'played race card to save job'"
[Extract]:
"Trevor Phillips, the government’s equality champion, has been accused of playing the 'race card' to save his career, amid new, high-level walk-outs at his £70m, taxpayer-funded quango.
"Phillips, the £120,000-a-year chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC), told colleagues his enemies were trying to oust him because he was a 'black man', it was claimed last night.
"He is alleged to have said his critics thought a 'white woman' would have been able to do the job better.
"Meanwhile, Phillips’s right-hand man, Kamal Ahmed, has this weekend resigned his post as director of communications.
"It is understood a sixth member of the commission’s 16-strong ruling body is on the brink of quitting in protest at Phillips’s autocratic management style. Baroness Greengross, vice-president of Age Concern, said she was considering her future.
"The allegations that Phillips has played the race card were made by Kay Hampton, a South African-born academic who quit as a commissioner in March.
"Hampton, a black woman who is a veteran of the struggle against apartheid, said: 'Nobody is prepared to challenge Trevor for fear of being accused of racism.
“'He has already played the race card in the commission. I suspect this could be the reason why Harriet Harman (the equality minister) reappointed him (earlier this month).'
"She recounted how in a telephone call earlier this year, Phillips had complained to her that he was a victim of racism.
“'He told me: ‘There is a group [in the commission] that think I am not good enough because I am a black man, and a white woman should have got the post’.”
AND 'Telegraph':
"Equality loses out in battle of victim groups" (by David Green.)
[Opening extract]:
"This week, the Equality and Human Rights Commission – the super-quango charged with erasing any kind of bias, prejudice or inequality from British life – seemed to be in danger of disintegration. Several high-profile resignations have been largely blamed on the egocentric management style of the EHRC's chairman, Trevor Phillips.
"But in truth, Mr Phillips's failings are not the issue. The EHRC is falling apart because many of the people who run it are not concerned about equality at all, but rather with gaining preferential treatment for their own specific set of clients.
"So, whatever their criticisms of Mr Phillips's leadership style, Kay Hampton also resigned because not enough was being done for ethnic groups. Bert Massie and Jane Campbell insisted that disabled people were being neglected, while Ben Summerskill, also head of the gay rights group Stonewall, protested that the commission was failing to protect millions whose lives were 'disfigured by prejudice'. Under the guise of demanding protection against discrimination, each victim group is in reality campaigning for privileges at the expense of everyone else."
But to the BBC, Trevor Phillips is wonderful, the Equality Bill is wonderful and Labour is wonderful.
The Andrew Marr show this morning has interviews with David Cameron (recorded) and Alistair Darling (live). It will be interesting to see what the comparative interruption coefficients are and also to know if Alistair Darling was allowed to know what points David Cameron made before his interview.
The question Andrew Marr asked David Cameron (based on John Major's remarks) about raising the basic rate of tax by 5%, cutting spending etc. was a fair oe. I wonder if he will ask Alistair Darling the same question.
Sound problems during David Cameron's interview again. It's becoming common!
Anyone would think it was deliberate. I remember the BBC's use of emphasising the heavy breathing of other interviewees during interviews of Conservatives during the 1990s.
Alistair Darling is avoiding anwering the question about the growth required over the next two quarters meeting his annual target. Answer the f***ing question… and of course Andrew Marr doesn't push him.
Heard an interview on Pravda 24 earlier. Two newsreaders questioning somebody who admired some aspects of Sarah Palin. After both had had a good go, it was summed up by the kind of newsreader that gets wheeled out during mass holiday periods at the BBC with something like "well, that was an interesting and different point of view there…."
They really ought to be less brazen with their bias, they've had long enough to practice.
I have just watched Dateline London presented by Gavin Esler, the entire debate was dedicated to attacking the Conservative party and in particular David Cameron, we were even treated to Esler making references to Thatcher and the Falkland war !!.
The guests on the debate were all Labour supporters, this programme was on the BBC World News station, if a viewer of the programme was not aware that the Conservatives had destroyed Labour in the North Norwich elections you would have gone away from the show thinking that it was the Conservatives who were in dire straits and that Labour was the only posible solution to fix the problems facing the UK.
Bernie, the Netherlands
Not a Sheep,
The interruption coefficients were 0.9 for Cameron & 0.6 for Darling (Cameron was interrupted 14 times, Darling 8).
Every time Darling comes on, Marr always slips in little nuggets of praise for him – about his predictions being right, or about his fine, upstanding character. This time we got both. What a suck-up!
Bernie,
'Dateline London' is nearly always like that, though it's usually even more of an Obama-lovefest.
The British media guests over the last six weeks have been 5-1 in favour of the Left:
20 June – Polly Toynbee (Guardian)
27 June – Yasmin Alibhai Brown (Independent)
4 July – Janet Daley (Sunday Telegraph)
11 July – Isobel Hilton (Guardian)
18 July – Ned Temko (Observer)
25 July – Steve Richards (Independent)
Just watched BBC News 24 interview with Mandy's Russian friend. Of course the BBC couldn't resist getting a dig in at George Osbourne voer his "alleged" attempt to get a donation. There was never any proof that he even tried that, so why does the BBC keep repeating it? We don't see the BBC continually talking about Mandelson's false mortgage application do we?
Thanks Craig I thought you might be checking…
BBC Naughtie unable to see DENMARK's immigration problems.
To underline 'magiclantern1's comments at the top of this thread, on BBC Naughtie's blinkered view of Denmark:
"Denmark and the politics of contentment" (BBC 'Today' ,24 July), in the whole of his piece, he does not mention Denmark's immigration problems and policies once!
Naughtie does not indicate how Denmark has moved against multiculturalism in recent years; nor does he recognise that he is applauding a society the likes of which his Labour government has destroyed in Britain.
Nothing from BBC Naughtie on this:
"Something Rotten in Denmark?"
by Daniel Pipes and Lars Hedegaard
New York Post
August 27, 2002
[Extract]
"A Muslim group in Denmark announced a few days ago that a $30,000 bounty would be paid for the murder of several prominent Danish Jews, a threat that garnered wide international notice. Less well known is that this is just one problem associated with Denmark's approximately 200,000 Muslim immigrants. The key issue is that many of them show little desire to fit into their adopted country.
"For years, Danes lauded multiculturalism and insisted they had no problem with the Muslim customs – until one day they found that they did. Some major issues:
"* Living on the dole: Third-world immigrants – most of them Muslims from countries such as Turkey, Somalia, Pakistan, Lebanon and Iraq – constitute 5 percent of the population but consume upwards of 40 percent of the welfare spending.
"* Engaging in crime: Muslims are only 4 percent of Denmark's 5.4 million people but make up a majority of the country's convicted rapists, an especially combustible issue given that practically all the female victims are non-Muslim. Similar, if lesser, disproportions are found in other crimes.
"* Self-imposed isolation: Over time, as Muslim immigrants increase in numbers, they wish less to mix with the indigenous population. A recent survey finds that only 5 percent of young Muslim immigrants would readily marry a Dane.
"* Importing unacceptable customs: Forced marriages – promising a newborn daughter in Denmark to a male cousin in the home country, then compelling her to marry him, sometimes on pain of death – are one problem.
"Another is threats to kill Muslims who convert out of Islam. One Kurdish convert to Christianity, who went public to explain why she had changed religion, felt the need to hide her face and conceal her identity, fearing for her life.
"* Fomenting anti-Semitism: Muslim violence threatens Denmark's approximately 6,000 Jews, who increasingly depend on police protection. Jewish parents were told by one school principal that she could not guarantee their children's safety and were advised to attend another institution. Anti-Israel marches have turned into anti-Jewish riots. One organization, Hizb-ut-Tahrir, openly calls on Muslims to 'kill all Jews . . . wherever you find them.'
"* Seeking Islamic law: Muslim leaders openly declare their goal of introducing Islamic law once Denmark's Muslim population grows large enough – a not-that-remote prospect. If present trends persist, one sociologist estimates, every third inhabitant of Denmark in 40 years will be Muslim.
"Other Europeans (such as the late Pim Fortuyn in Holland) have also grown alarmed about these issues, but Danes were the first to make them the basis for a change in government."
Latest ruse of Labour government on:
MASS IMMIGRATION- via SCOTLAND, as approvingly, and inaccurately headlined on BBC 'Scotland' page:
"Points bonus for Scots immigrants".
'Telegraph':
"New rules encourage immigrants to live in Scotland, not England"
"Immigration rules are to be skewed to make it easier for foreign workers to settle in Scotland instead of England, under radical reforms to be unveiled by the Government this week. "
Presumably, this is a Labour priority in the present economic recession, as well as being a response to re-gain political popularity after the Norwich result!
This Labour policy of MASS IMMIGRATION:
1.) is not in election manifesto;
2.) is opposed by 80% of British people – in polls this week;
3.) does not act as corrective to UK's ageing population, (as 'Migrationwatch' research has shown for years);
4.)is destroying 'social cohesion' in Britain;
5.)means illegal immigrants cannot be stopped at Calais even;
6.) additionally, means millions of Turkish immigrants will come to live anywhere in Britain they want as soon as the entry of 75 million Muslim Turks is formally approved by the EU and Labour;
7.)does not mention that there is no way of keeping immigrants confined to Scotland, as basic European Law indicates.
Don't expect the BBC to mention any of this.
The BBC is not interested in upholding FREE SPEECH, so doesn't report this; but 'the Daily Mail' does:
"US shock jock Savage targeted 'to balance least wanted list'"
By Glen Owen
[Extract]:
"Former Home Secretary Jacqui Smith has suffered a major setback in her legal battle with American 'shock jock' Michael Savage after her officials were accused of banning him from the country on racial grounds.
"Emails written by Home Office officials privately acknowledged the ban on Mr Savage would provide 'balance' to a list dominated by Muslims – and linked the decision to Gordon Brown and Foreign Secretary David Miliband. "
Comment from 'Jihadwatch':
"Michael Savage was banned from Britain so they wouldn't appear to be banning only Islamic jihadists"
[Extract]:
"Never mind that Islamic jihadists are actually the only group that wants to destroy British society and institute a system that institutionalizes discrimination against women and non-Muslims, and extinguishes the freedom of speech and freedom of conscience. One wouldn't want to look as if one were picking on them."
"Sir Ian Botham has branded "stupid and arrogant" a call by Griff Rhys Jones, the television presenter, for canoeists to "disturb as many fishermen as possible".
"The broadcaster, whose new series, Rivers, started on BBC1 on Sunday, argued that fishermen should be disturbed because the UK's waterways are not "there for a few, but for the many".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/5912135/Sir-Ian-Botham-defends-anglers-after-attack-by-Griff-Rhys-Jones.html
But as with "Global Warming" you don't have to be an expert in the subject for the BBC to give you a platform for all your ill-informed fantacies.
"Although not an expert, he said had recently written a book on river systems and had a basic knowledge of the subject. "
A little knowledge is all that is required by the BBC.
Actually – would I be right in thinking that there would be more anglers in this country then canoeists?
It certainly always used to be the case that there were far more people who went fishing at the weekends than attended football matches of all kinds.
Not that you would know this from the BBC, of course.
Is there a directive from BBC: TV newsreaders must smile when Olympics 2012 mentioned?
A less smiley, less Labour view ( of nine months ago):
'Times'-
"Beijing – the perfect site for the 2012 Games"
(by Alice Miles.)
[Extract]:
"As ministers argue whether to cut housing or hospitals, we can no longer afford to throw money at the Olympics.
"Suddenly 2012 sounds a lot less enticing. The year in which Britain was to have been triumphant, basking in international Olympic glory, will be the year when the debt hits home. In schools and hospitals and social services departments, in libraries and nurseries and courts, 2012 will be the year that high times turn to hard times.
"The Institute for Fiscal Studies estimated yesterday that the country faces spending cuts of £19 billion in 2012-13. Cabinet ministers have already begun fighting over who takes the hit. The unemployed, the homeless, the destitute will join the athletes parading through London.
"It will be payback time, big time. In 2011-12 the tax increases strike: the 45p top rate, the rise in national insurance. In 2012 national debt is forecast to reach the magic £1 trillion. And in 2012 we throw billions of pounds at the Olympics.
"Oh, that we could cancel them instead. We obviously cannot afford them any more.
"The Olympics budget has soared from an original guesstimate of £2.7 billion, winner of the gold medal for kite-flying, to £9.3 billion, and will rise further: there is as yet no clear security plan, the issue that was the biggest cause of cost overruns in Sydney and Athens. Only £500 million is still unspoken for in the £2.7 billion contingency fund, and there are four years still to go.
"This month Tessa Jowell, the Minister for the Games, admitted that the Government would not have bid for them if it had seen what was coming. 'Had we known what we know now, would we have bid for the Olympics? Almost certainly not.'" ('Times' 26/11/08.)