120 Responses to OPEN THREAD…

  1. Phil says:

    Nick (anyone over the age of 14 who refers to himself as Nicky is a prat) Campbell, in his interview on 5Live this morning with the new great/dear/heroic leader Red Ed referred to his father as “the great Marxist thinker”.  Surprisingly my text to 5Live suggesting this was an oxymoron didn’t get read out.


    • Martin says:

      Been working hard all day so that I can be robbed of taxes to fund dross like the BBC and the NHS.

      Radio 5’s pathetic fawning over Red Ed is vomit inducing, but to be expected.

      But again I remind people I’ve not seen a single Tory politician interviewed this week over the Liebour party conference, let’s see if the BBC keep the Tory one a Liebour free one.


      • Grant says:

        Daily Politics yesterday was delighted at the letter by Liam Fox to David Cameron which was leaked, presumebly by some socialist civil servant ( is the coalition going to clear them out ? ).
        So they interviewed Tory MP . Bernard Jenkin who broadly agreed with Fox.
        The BBC will interview Tories if it helps the BBC’s policy of pointing out splits in the government.
        But, all through the Labour years , the BBC must have known the true extent of the hatred between Blair and Brown but failed to report it.
        Blatant bias.


  2. Nick says:


    Here’s one example of bias at the bbc.

    Should punters save or spend?

    It’s an example of give people a choice of A or B, and people don’t think, would I like C

    In this case, paying off debt is missing. The reason is that it’s what needs to take place with government and individuals. They need to get rid of debts, particularly whilst interest rates are low.

    However, not at the BBC. It’s because if the government does that, they have to cut spending or earn more. That means higher taxation, which is never mentioned. In reality higher taxation means individuals cutting spending on their families etc. Cutting spending means cutting things like the BBC.

    So they don’t mention it at all.

    It’s same when you look at the output on spending. All deliterious effects, but the other effect, of not cutting public spending means ramping up taxation. Ramping up taxation means people have to cut their spending/debt repayments, because the government won’t. And as a left wing organisation, that’s not on the agenda.


    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      I heard something very similar on the News Channel not long ago.  I made a comment here about it at the time, but don’t have time to find it.

      What I heard was more of some Beeboid saying that people were being mean by paying off their debts instead of spending it in the shops.  As if that wasn’t what caused all these problems in the first place.


      • Millie Tant says:

        David presiser:
        As if that wasn’t what caused all these problems in the first place.

        Haha! I like it. Only connect. 😀


  3. Millie Tant says:

    Neil Kinnock having a cosy chat on Daily Politics with the earth-shattering revelation they became the establishment and it was Tony and Gordon’s fault.

    It was you, you, you, you numpty, along with the rest of them. Of course Labour became the establishment; they were the flipping government! You all jumped on the big gravy train and nobody jumped higher or onto a bigger gravy train than you.   >:o  Now, you have suddenly discovered after all these years that they became the establishment. Now the Beeboid Andrew Neil offers you the opportunity to cast yourself as “the new generation” which, naturally, as such an accomplished bandwagon jumper, you seize eagerly.  Give me strength!


    • Backwoodsman says:

      Absolutely fascinating how the bbc promotes the “we’re all new generation now” bullshit – not even a sniff of associating them with the last 13 years of carnage. Utterly disgraceful.


      • John Horne Tooke says:

        Iraq and mass imigration among other things were mistkes says the new Labour leader. Yet Labour are forgiven by the BBC.

        “A total of 179 British Armed Forces personnel or MOD civilians have died serving on Operation TELIC since the start of the campaign in March 2003.

        Of these, 136 were killed as a result of hostile action.”

        These people were killed for a Labour mistake. Regardless of if you were for or against the war is not relevent, Labour have said it was wrong. Why is no one calling for the people who made this “mistake” to be held accountable?

        During the past 13 years our cities have chaged beyond recognition, in fact in Liecester it is the English who are now in the minority – this “mistake” can never be undone – but the people responsible (including all those who described places as “hideousley white”) should be never again be allowed to draw a line under it and put it down to experience. Now for Kinnock the unelected wind bag, to cast himself as “the new generation” is beyond belief.


        • Martin says:

          Spot on. Google Andrew Neather

          Neather has revealed that the Government’s ‘driving political purpose’, was ‘to make the UK truly multicultural’. It was politically motivated by ministers to radically transform the fundamental make-up and identity of this country. WHY? To destroy the right of British people to live in a society defined by its common history, religion, law, language and traditions. It set out to destroy the “culturally British” and to put another ‘multicultural’ identity in its place.



          • Millie Tant says:

            Yes and I noticed in Ed Milliped’s leader’s speech where he looked forward to when Labour would “change the country again”.

            I thought they were supposed to have learned from the election defeat and had promised to listen to the people from now on. Doesn’t strike me that they have really learned or could give two hoots about what they have done, still less feel the need to apologise or make amends. Same old, same old Labour dictatorship with a new -old suit at the top.


        • Martin says:

          Of course the Unions were also in favour of more halfwitted morons from around the world to come here, except of course it had the undesired effect (for the Unions) of forcing DOWN wages of the white working class.

          When slap head thugs like Bob ‘the knob’ Crow spout on about wanting a fair days pay for a fair days work, perhaps he might like to ask why wages are so low. You can’t blame the bosses when the Government suddenly gives them access to millions of people who will work for £2 and hour and won’t kick up a fuss about ‘elf and safety’


    • Grant says:

      That igonarant buffoon Kinnock was hilarious. He kept insisting that the “new generation” had nothing to do with age. What a total prat !


  4. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Where is the BBC reporting about Roger Waters using anti-Semitic imagery in his new The Wall tour?

    Anti-Semitic Imagery Used in Roger Waters’ Tour, Anti-Defamation League Says

    Waters, a longtime vocal critic of Israel, takes aim at the Jewish nation’s West Bank security fence during a segment of his 2010-2011 “The Wall Live” tour by using imagery associated with stereotypes about Jews and money, ADL officials say.

    During Waters’ recent performances of “Goodbye Blue Sky,” an animated scene has projected images of planes dropping bombs in the shape of Jewish stars of David, followed by dollar signs — an “outrageous” juxtaposition, according to Abraham Foxman, ADL’s national director.

    Charming, no?  I await the BBC’s frowning at such hate speech and incitement to violence.  If he was doing this about Mohammedans, the BBC would be mewling about how controversial this is.  If they don’t report it, this will be more proof that the BBC has an editorial policy which condones the suffering of Jews everywhere as a consequence to anything relating to Israel.

    I think this requires a new submission to GOT’s “Is a…” site.


    • TrueToo says:

      I never much liked Pink Floyd. How did that line go again:

      We don’t need no education

      Well, we see the result.


    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Damn.  The BBC has already seen the entire show, so clearly they’re aware of the footage.  This was in June.  No mention of any of this anti-Semitic imagery, of course.

      A damning silence.

      I’d say this is absolutely killing me, as a die-hard Pink Floyd fan since my youth, but I’ve long been aware that Waters is a major-league bastard.  The way he emotionally abused his wives, his bandmates (he referred to them as “the muffins”), and anyone else who crossed his path is well known.  Anyone familiar with his work, while with Floyd or after, will know his polticial leanings, so this isn’t a surprise at all, and is hardly going to make me burn my 50+ hours of concert tapes.  But it’s still grating.

      Not anywhere near as grating as the fact that the BBC condones it.


  5. Millie Tant says:

    My first reaction on reading about the dollar signs was that this was a reference to America and not an association of Jews with money.


  6. ap-w says:

    The first person to spot a BBC reporter referring to Liam Fox’s letter to David Cameron as having been “stolen” wins a lunch date with Roger Harrabin at the University of East Anglia cafeteria. 


  7. Dazzler says:


    FFS old news being talked about at the biggest golf thingee in the galaxy. We’ve got a week of this shit.


  8. Philip says:

    Utterly one-sided reporting on the GZ Mosque once again today.

    ‘Bigotry & Fear’ scream the trails – if you have any doubts whatever all about the wisdom of putting this building at Ground Zero, al-BBCeera has your number – especially, if unlike most people, you know the significance and real meaning behind the name ‘Cordoba House’.


  9. Will says:

    On R5 Breakfast (@ 7:54) BBC “Business expert” Andrew Verity (Paul Mason’s protege surely) surprised Euro Trade Union Baron John Monks by attacking the Euro demo day from the left.

    He scoffed at the paltry efforts to oppose public spending restraint, he told Monk that marching would achieve nothing, it needed strikes.


  10. Guest Who says:

    As it was an exclusive BBC co-production, I am looking forward to the showing and re-showing of a senior Labour figure lying through her teeth, being called on it, digging a big hole… and then shown to be a liar.

    Or is do ing so in certain circumstances ‘unique’?


    • Will says:

      Any chance that the BBC will deem Hazel Blears descrption of Labour being  “wicked & malicious”  as worthy of endless reprise as Teresa May’s “nasty party” quote? (see Guido for Brillo’s skewering of the hapless woman)


      • Martin says:

        Er probably not Will. Just as the BBC NEVER bring up fatty Prescott’s extra marital slapper shagging, but continually refer to it when talking about Edwina Curry or john Major.


      • Grant says:

        Made my post before I read yours !  Yes, Brillo really skewered the repulsive Blears.


    • Grant says:

      Guest Who,
      Hazel Blears lied on the Daily Politics on tuesday about what she had said at a fringe meeting. She had said that some of the things the Labour government were “wicked”.
      When asked by Andrew Neil, she claimed she was referring to the Tories.
      Next day Andrew played a tape recording of the meeting which demonstrated that Blears lied. Even the leftoids in the studio had to agree. He has invited Blears back to explain herself.
      Should be a big story on the BBC.  Imagine if it had been a Tory !


  11. cjhartnett says:

    Hoping that someone somewhere is studying Beeb output throughout this Nuremburg rally that beats up the Walter Wolfgangs but allows all manner of slime and oligeneous clones to posture atop a dunghill crowing about their being a “new generation”.
    Milband Minor says Iraq has had a line drawn under it and I`m sure Quinn,Montague and the other Quango queens will find a ruler under the expense receipts, saved just for that purpose.
    Lord HawHaw-Radio Gaga…it`s all slime and slush as the Beeb would have us believe that one of Jedward will avange Thatch for the rest of us!
    Turn them all off-don`t pay your licence-send the money to Leonard Cohens Appeal Fund so he comes back again!


    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Right now Ed Balls is trying to prove how great this new generation of Labour is going to be because of the great achievements of the last Labour Government.  Comedy gold.


  12. Dazed-and-Confused says:

    How ironic is it, that we have to witness the Islamisation of OUR own Capital City, on prime time French T.V.,  broadcast just two days ago?

    Where are the BBC in reporting whats happening in BRITAIN and to their own people?

    This Video Is Just Madness!


  13. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Just had a laugh-out-loud moment watching Newsnight.  They’re doing some vox pops focus group asking voters what they think of Miliband Minor.  Except for one guy, it’s all “Don’t trust him, don’t know him”.  
    So the host asks, “What do you need to hear” from him to get you to start trusting him.  One guy said, “Lower taxes”.   Wrong room!  I half-expected security to grab him and escort him out.  
    Second laugh-out-loud moment: The presenter just told the group that, simply because they’ve been life-long Labour voters, he expects them to be more excited about the new leader.  
    Dude.  Blind faith may work at the BBC, but not in real life.


  14. Martin says:

    Newsnight what a hoot! Gavin Esler interviewing Bob Woodward over his book ‘Obama’s wars’. Esler snidely asks Woodward WHY he concentrated on the one role (Commander in Chief) that ‘least suits Obama’

    Least suits!!!!!!!! It’s the FIRST role of the President, if the twat can’t get that right, he might as well give up.

    Esler asks why Woodward didn’t focus on the economy or healthcare. Well Gavin darling  Barry has made a total screw up of both of those as well, or hadn’t you noticed US unemployment levels?



    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Esler revealed his Obamessiah worship there.  “Why didn’t you focus on something positive?”

      Sing to him, sing praise to him;
      tell of all his wonderful acts.

      I Chronicles, 16:9


  15. George R says:

    BBC-NUJ: weak on ‘the family’, ‘marriage’, and ‘rights of children’.

    The feelings/opinions/rights of children appear to come last in this BBC-NUJ ‘put it down to modern life’ justification for the likes of Ed Miliband not to get married, and not bother to put his name as father on his child’s birth certificate.

    BBC-NUJ’s presumptuously anti-family ideology shows through.

    “Is modern life a bar to marriage?”



  16. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Quick! Somebody tell Greg Palast and Meirion Jones:

    Obama Activist Tied In With Organization Accused of Voter Fraud

    You may have read (not on the BBC website, obviously – DP) that there is strong evidence of voter fraud in Houston. Here’s what you may not have heard: the organization accused of shady behavior is linked to a former head of an Obama campaign office. She is a fan of Che Guevara. She is also the person who invited to a town hall meeting a woman who then posed as a doctor at that meeting during the health care debate.

    Plus this:

    Most of the findings focused on a group called Houston Votes, a voter registration group headed by Sean Caddle, who also worked for the Service Employees International Union before coming to Houston. Among the findings were that only 1,793 of the 25,000 registrations the group submitted appeared to be valid.

    SEIU: led until recently by Andy Stern, numero uno visitor to the White House in The Obamessianic Age, appointed by the President to His commission on fiscal policy (kind of like having Bob Crow as SpAd to the Chancellor), and currently under investigation by the FBI for corruption.

    Not that the BBC has told you any of this, of course.  What are all those Beeboids they hired this year good for, again?


  17. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Stop the presses:  Mark Mardell has a clue!  No wait, sorry, keep ’em rolling, as the last part of his latest blog post shows that he’s still a true believer.

    Changing of the White House guard: soap or serious?

    Rahm Emanuel is going to leave the Obamessiah Administration and run for mayor of Chicago.  As I said before, this is not a big deal, and doesn’t signify anything more than Emanuel knowing an opportunity for personal power when he sees it.  I wouldn’t call this a sign of serious trouble at the White House, and neither does Mardell.  I won’t even say that he’s so biased in favor of his beloved Obamessiah that nothing short of finding the President in bed with either a dead woman or live boy would cause him to report that there was a hint of trouble in River City, so of course he doesn’t see Emanuel’s departure as much of a big deal.  He even mentions that other major players are jumping ship (Summers needs to quit so he doesn’t lose his pension at Harvard, so nothing significant there, either.  Axlerod is a campaign fixer, not someone useful for day-to-day operations in real life, so he’s going where he belongs.  Gates is a carry-over, job basically done anyways.)

    For a split second, I thought Mardell was going to stop the smokescreen and propaganda.  He even expresses his disappointment in the way the President has run the shop:

    The last three jobs are important in themselves. As for the others, they’re important if the president comes to feel he has fewer friends around. It is not exactly bunker White House yet, but if Mr Obama replaces them with more Chicago insiders it may feel increasingly like that.

    This may be the strongest criticism you will ever see of the President by Mark Mardell.  Things must be really bad if Mardell is going to talk like he’s losing faith, even a little bit.  But then he picks himself up again.

    One perceptive observer (link is in Mardell’s original: a JournoLista from the Washington Post, naturally) remarks that the Obama team does its job with a grudging sense of duty, rather than a fizz of excitement. He quotes Churchill that meeting FDR was “like uncorking a bottle of champagne”, and Churchill knew his champagne.

    Oh, dear.  Is Mardell’s faith that shaken?  I think so, because he’s pulling the old

    These days Mr Obama may seem more like the cod liver oil that is good for you, but certainly not taken for fun. Many of you have observed that Mr Obama’s problem is his policies, not his style. To some, that is obviously true. But it is the others, those who once were believers that matter. From the president’s point of a view, a new team which communicates a sense of verve would be no bad thing.

    That’s right, Mark.  All He needs is a new set of messengers to tell the same old story.

    Dear friends, I am not writing you a new command but an old one, which you have had since the beginning. This old command is the message you have heard.

    I John 2:7


    • Cassandra King says:

      Possibly the best post I have read all week 🙂 .

      This is why more and more people are coming to B-BBC, the quality of the posts and the depth of intelectual comment is getting better all the time.


  18. Paul Pot says:

    The Today Programme again: This morning discussing the discovery of DNA and the race between two teams from Kings College and Cambridge to map it first. One of the women on the KIngs team was Rosalind Franklin and her contribution to the discovery was underestimated until years later.

    Discussing this with one of the scientists who worked on the team, Justin Webb repeatedley tried to argue that her contribution was not recognised fully because the male members of the team were sexist and that ‘in those days, these men couldnt’t handle a clever woman.’ or words to that effect. The old scientist said that he was aghast at any suggestion of sexism or discrimination against Rosamund Franklin, yet Webb carried on trying to insinuate that these men were somehow misogynistic.

    The interview showed the BBC’s insidious methods of of trying to re-write history to fit in with their politically correct dogma. These clever, white, British scientists could not POSSIBLY have made one of the most startling scientific discoveries of all time without displaying some sort of bigotry, discrimination, in this case sexism towards one of their own team members.

    A disgraceful piece of journalistic questioning by Justin Webb. 


    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      men couldn’t handle a clever woman

      This just screams for a joke about Justin Webb’s reaction to Sarah Palin.  But all I cant think of is to call him a bigot.


  19. Biodegradable says:


    Audiences want ‘more realistic’ portrayal of gay people

    The BBC has made “great progress” in its portrayal of gay people and gay relationships, but there is still more to be done, according to a report.

    I’m sure Martin is absolutely thrilled to hear it.  😉


    • Paul Pot says:

      I notice that the BBC didn’t bother to report the latest survey results which suggest that it’s less than 1% of the population that are gay/les/bisexual, and not the trendy 1 person in 10 statistic that the gay lobby have been pushing on us for years.


      • Gerald says:

        Totally understand, and agree, with your point. My posting above of the DT survey said 1.5%.

        Should we be told, under FOI if necessary, how much of our money the BBC spent to undertake their research, and, probably just as important, which organisation carried it out for them plus a breakdown of those retained by the BBC to carry out such reasearch and whether they are the result of open competitive tendering or jobs for the boys.

        Anyone experienced in submitting FOI requests to the BBC out there?


    • Martin says:

      The BBC should do a ‘fictional’ series about a major left wing TV network, where everyone is gay and takes Cocaine. I’m sure that would be popular. Anyone got any idea on what they could base it on?


    • Grant says:

      Yes , that is what we are all clamouring for. The BBC’s unrealistic portrayal of gays is a disgrace and one of the biggest problems facing manking after global warming….er, hang on, have I got that right ?


    • George R says:

      LGB-BBC will portray Lesbian-Gay-Bisexuals as LGBs want, just as INBBC portrays Islam as Muslims want.


    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      This is a really amusing result.  What does “realistic” mean, exactly?  Apparently it means that many people are fed up with homosexuals being portrayed as champions of their sexuality and little else, and would like to be shown a world where everyone merely tolerates rather than celebrates, and homosexuals can discuss other things besides sexual orientation.  What a shock.  I bet it is to the Beeboids, anyway.

      Hippiepooter, this is, I think, the essence of that argument you and I (and someone else, whom I’ve forgotten at the moment) were having a while back about, among other things, the way homosexuality is taught in schools (that doesn’t sound quite right, but you know what I mean).  I think we can both agree that there’s a big difference between tolerance and being forced to celebrate.  I believe we both support the former, but not the latter.

      What’s great is that this argument of tolerance versus forced celebration can be applied to so many things the BBC promotes in the interests of Social Cohesion. The Beeboids are so detached from society that they actually had to do a study to figure this out.  I think it’s hilarious.

      As for the BBC’s failure to realistically portray homosexuals, perhaps Evan Davis will have Iain Dale back in the studio to wink and nudge about how the straights just don’t get it.  That’s their failure in a nutshell right there, and it does no favors either to homosexuals or the vast majority of society who really just don’t care and don’t want to be forced to celebrate it.

      I bet we can all list quite a few homosexuals at the BBC who are guilty of this attitude, across the spectrum of broadcasting.  The question now is: how are the Beeboids going to handle this?


  20. Cassandra King says:

    The BBC are running a series called HARD TIMES, a series menat on the surface to investigate the aftermath of the global depression and the subsequent fiscal auterity measures.

    Obviously the BBC just have to use what could have been a brilliant idea to pimp its political narrative and present its political friends in the best light placing them as angels waiting in the wings to save the people as the nasty fiscal conservatives slash and burn social spending models.

    A day of action was called across the EU, it was meant to be a mass peoples protest but in fact only a few thousand from the whole of the EUs third of a billion people bothered turning up.
    It was the usual suspects consisting of the usual rent a rabble, unviersal rage mob, far leftist/union rent a crowd who travel to every protest as if they had some kind of social calender, first its climate justice then save the trees then its onto social justice and bankers etc.
    The day of action was a complete failure by any measure yet the BBC were wetting their panties and giving a few thousand leftists the airtime of their dreams.
    The general strike in Spain went largely ignored so the rabble resorted to intimidation tactics trying to force people by violence to join the strike and even that bullying failed yet the BBC see nothing of the failures and the dirty tricks and planned violence and disruption and bullying.
    The BBC are giving this tiny minority a massive media platform their numbers simply do not merit and we all know why dont we? Oooh yes it is because the narrative and the rent a rabble rouble makers have the same aim, the parasites are squealing like stuck pig and the squeling has nothing to do with OAPs etc its all about the selfish retention of the gravytrain and the cushy sincures and the power.
    The medicine needed to flush out the parasite infection is being fought all the way and the BBC is in the lead, no expense spared when the BBC approved rent a rabble need primetime coverage with beeboids and rent a rabble commissars working in perfect harmony.


  21. Biodegradable says:

    The general strike in Spain went largely ignored so the rabble resorted to intimidation tactics trying to force people by violence to join the strike and even that bullying failed yet the BBC see nothing of the failures and the dirty tricks and planned violence and disruption and bullying.

    Absoluteley correct. I live in Spain, on the main road of a large city’s centre. Shops were open and people were out as if it were a weekend or a public holiday until the strikers marched through during the morning on an unauthorised demo. Shops closed out of fear and re-opened once the strikers had passed by. Shops that had closed had their shutters defaced with graffiti. One bar owner on TV complained that he had closed before midnight when the strike began but still had his window smashed.

    Buses in Madrid running union aproved minimum services were still attacked and vandalised and drivers threatened.

    Things were much worse in Barcelona.

    In all more than 100 people arrested and 125 injured.


    • Cassandra King says:

      This is what is meant by the tyranny of the minority, the ugly face of leftism which reminds me of the brownshirt thugs of Nazi Germany in the 30s.
      A tiny minority bent on disruption imposing their will by violence on the peaceful majority, their numbers are small like their brains and their fascist tendencies become starkly clear at times like this.

      No democracy should have bullying street thugs imposing their will by violence and vandalism, that is the rule of the savage and should be completely banned. The actions of the leftist street thug brownshirts in Spain is not political it is criminal.

      This shows the left in its true colours, a bunch of arrogant selfish ignorant bullies who are enemies of democracy.


      • Biodegradable says:

        My thoughts exactly!

        And they talk about “democracy” and call the police, who try to maintain order, “fascists”.


        • David Preiser (USA) says:

          As usual, the violence comes from the Left.


          • Guest Who says:

            Careful, you’ll get the likes of Tom Chivers and Shane Richmond of The Telegraph all aflutter.

            That’s fighting talk!

            Ironically, they seem to be the ones most keen on the aggressive responses.


  22. james1070 says:

    Not on the BBC  
    Here is a French documentary about the Islamification of London. It is in French with English subtitles.  

    Sad how you have view a foreign news outlet, to get honest news from your own country.  
    However the EDL which are featured in this documentary sound so much nicer when dubbed into French.


  23. Orryl says:

    I haven’t listened to the Today programme on a regular basis for a while, but caught a little featurette-diguised-as-reportage this morning by Al-Bowen which was introduced by Naughtie using some tired, neo-leftist anti-Israel memes. Don’t know why it was included on a news programme, but basically it was about how some Palestinians thought it was all so unfair. I noted that Bowen doesn’t call the settlements Israeli but ‘Jewish’ which betrays where he is coming from.

    Afterwards, Naughtie’s co-presenter Justin Webb closed the report by saying, in what seemed a artificially measured and dry tone, ‘Jeremy Bowen…in the Middle East’. It’s plain such pieces are a concession to Naughtie and Bowen’s obsession by the prog’s Editor, and are viewed as something of a comedy number by colleagues who don’t share their righteous passions.  


    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Actually, many of the settlers in certain areas are not Israeli citizens, but are Jews from elsewhere who have the equivalent of an Israeli green card.  My cousin and his wife are among them.  All their children were born in Israel, of course, so I don’t know how we label them for the purposes of this discussion.

      Kind of splitting hairs, I know, but I don’t see it as inaccurate or totally dishonest (contrary to plenty of other things the BBC does) to refer to them as Jews rather than as Israelis.

      The thing is, I’d like to ask Bowen if he thinks Jews should be allowed to live near Hebron, for example, within an official Palestinian state.


  24. George R says:

    Another gratuitous item of pro-Labour political bias on BBC-Labour-NUJ’s ‘Today’, from horse’s mouth:

    8:30 “The outgoing political director of the trade union Unite, Charlie Whelan, was an influential figure behind Gordon Brown’s premiership and Labour’s election campaign. He talks to James Naughtie <!– S ILIN –>about his support for the new Labour leader Ed Miliband.



  25. Roland Deschain says:

    As a matter of interest, have there been any Tory (or, for that matter, Lib Dem) representatives on the Today programme to talk about Ed Miliband or the Labour conference? Or on any other political/news programme?

    Because I have heard and seen none.  Only Labour representatives talking about Labour, and Nick Robinson to tell us what he thinks it means or what he thinks the Tories think.


    • Guest Who says:

      and Nick Robinson to tell us what he thinks it means or what he thinks the Tories think.’

      For all the thinking going on there, what emanates doesn’t seem much cop.


  26. David Preiser (USA) says:

    This BBC report about the new bill being put forth in the US House of Representatives to impose a tariff on Chinese imports if they keep the yuan so artificially low has two points of view:  the Chinese point of view, and the other Chinese point of view, which supports the first one.
    “Using the [yuan] exchange rate issue as an excuse to engage in trade protectionism against China can only harm China-US trade and economic relations, and will have a negative effect on both countries’ economies and the world economy,” warned spokeswoman Jiang Yu, speaking at a regular press briefing.  
    She also urged US congressmen to “resist protectionism”.
    Yes, please continue to let your constituents get screwed over and prop up the smoke and mirrors game which is the Chinese economy.  
    But speaking to China’s state-run news agency, Yao Jian, a spokesman for China’s Ministry of Commerce, said US attempts to use the exchange rate to justify trade restrictions would violate WTO rules.  
    He also warned that the US had as much to lose from a trade war as China, with China is now the US’s fastest-growing export market.  
    The Chinese government also argues that its trade surplus with the US does not demonstrate that the current yuan-dollar exchange rate gives it an unfair advantage, pointing out that it has similar trade surpluses with other Asian countries.
    The US point of view?  Well, I suppose the bill itself is the US side of the story.  But what about someone talking about how much the US economy has been hurt over the years by China keeping its own currency so artificially low?  Why doesn’t the BBC think that a US voice would help the reader understand the situation?  
    The BBC won’t tell you about China’s real estate bubble or the massive corruption or anything else they do wrong that doesn’t involve their favorite exiled feudal lord, so I don’t expect them to honestly discuss this either.


  27. David Preiser (USA) says:

    It must be a slow news day.  The BBC News Channel is spending a few minutes showing us all the press tents around that mine in Chile where all those guys are trapped.  This is justified by recycling footage we’ve already seen and rehashing the same updates we’ve already heard.


    • Martin says:

      David, the BBC tool that is out there reporting, was spouting off to some bloke “do they know just how many press people are there” waffles useless beeboid.

      Like they give a toss stuck down underground just how many camp men from the BBC are ‘reporting’ their story.

      What I did learn which was of more interest is the miners want a cute female aerobics instructor to do their video workouts to keep them in shape rather than the bloke they’ve got. Don’t think the BBC found that amusing.


  28. David Preiser (USA) says:

    The “Times Square bomber” has confessed that he planned a second bombing.  He said this in a video he made after his first attempt fizzled:

    “I have been trying to join my brothers in jihad since 9/11 happened. I am planning to wage an attack inside America,” Shahzad said in a 40-minute video released by prosecutors on Wednesday.

    That’s right:  he’s been wanting to murder non-Muslims ever since 9/11 happened.

    Can we please now stop the lie the BBC keeps telling you that Mohammedans are radicalized only by US/UK military action in Iraq and Afghanistan?


  29. George R says:

    For Islam Not BBC (INBBC), the main military story connected to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is NOT this, which INBBC still censors:

    ‘Telegraph’ –

     [Muslim] “Briton suspected of plotting Mumbai-style attacks killed by drone”


    And, unlike the redoutable ‘Jihadwatch’, INBBC does not give priority to this:

    “Eight Germans and two British brothers” behind planned jihadist attacks on Europe

    No, this is the pro-Islam, pro Islamic Republic of Pakistan political line which INBBC puts out:

    “Nato says aircraft did cross border into Pakistan”

    (as reported by INBBC’s M Ilyas Khan – I’ve no idea what name ‘M’ stands for).



  30. Guest Who says:

    Credit where due:


    Brillo pwns the poison chipmunk.

    And after that effort, I am pretty sure she will indeed be behind the Labour Party, as they put a large expanse between them and her gibbering gob.

    Expect to see this played over and over. Though, I suspect, not as much as one might imagine in some parts.


  31. David Preiser (USA) says:

    With all this talk about how the Irish people are angry that nasty banks have to be bailed out, and the same old song about why should the taxpayers have to foot the bill for reckless, evil bankers who caused all our problems, I keep waiting for someone to discuss the irresponsible real estate industry and media who created that whole “Flip That House” culture.  Nobody wants to discuss just how real estate became that “sure bet”, which isn’t the fault of the nasty old bankers.

    Also, it’s pretty lame to blame a bank for being reckless for loaning money to a real estate company who presents them with a business plan to rent out the flats they’re building.  It’s not like these “buy-to-let” companies were insolvent from the start.  That industry was created outside of nasty bankers’ meetings.


  32. Julio says:

    File under ‘idiot beeboid behaviour’

    Bid by BBC presenters to sail boat made of ice fails after ship melts

    Must be that global warming again. 😀


    • Guest Who says:

      They can do science, them.

      I seem to recall the orginal idea was a honking great slab to act as an aircraft carrier in the North Atlantic. Colder water; volume: surface area ratio in favour.

      Surprised they didn’t fly to Bali to recreate it as a dugout.


  33. Marky says:

    Lefties go mental while watching my school documentary

    “Anyone keen for some direct action against the new free schools (or against Toby Young, personally)?” Tweeted a member of the Socialist Workers Party. Well, yes, in fact, there was. “I don’t think there’s been one person yet on Toby Young’s BBC2 documentary about starting a school that I wouldn’t happily punch to death,” Tweeted Marc Haynes, a disc jockey who works for the BBC. That’s a bit alarming considering that my four children were featured throughout. Do you want to punch my two-year-old to death, Marc?”



    Nice! Richard Bacon’s “best friend” apparently.


  34. Martin says:

    Watching the BBC news they did a rather sentimental piece on Ted Heath’s house. For starters what a pompous twat Heath was for thinking anyone would be interested in his life after his death, but I was puzzled as to why the BBC would take such an interest in a failed Tory PM. Then it came to me, of course HE took us into the Common Market (one BBC tick) and of course he hated Mrs T’s guts (and even bigger tick).

    Tory he might have been, but almost loved by the BBC.


    • Guest Who says:

      I suspect there’s possibly another tick lurking in the closet, but dare not speak its name.


      • 1327 says:

        In the 1960’s Czech intelligence sent an agent over here who was a pianist but whose mission was as a honeytrap for Heath. All the reports are that he got no where but its quite possible Heath loved only himself.

        Incidentally Heath also made some odd claims about his wartime service in particular that he was the officer in charge of a firing squad. Yet as far as I know there were no British firing squads in WW2.


      • Martin says:

        Yep that one as well.


  35. George R says:

    Some BBC-NUJ presenters want something more subtly anti-Tory?:

    “Paxman, Robinson, Maitlais, Naughtie and 28 other BBC journalists warn the NUJ about striking during next week’s Conservative Conference”

    Apparently, they appear to like the principle of BBC-NUJ striking but seem to think that to black out only the Tory Party Conference may be construed as typical BBC-NUJ  political ‘impartiality’ by licencepayers.


    • Craig says:

      One of those 28 was Martha Kearney. Her programme is regularly subtly anti-Tory.  
      Her introduction to today’s World at One quoted Labour MP Khalid Mahmood accusing Baroness Warsi of ‘Islamophobia’ for saying that the Conservatives could have lost 3 seats due to pro- Labour fraud in ‘Asian’-heavy constituencies (so he didn’t think she meant places with a large Thai, Chinese or Laotian population.)   
      When the interview came on later (which he shared with a Liberal Democrat, but no Conservative), his accusation was allowed to slip by without comment or challenge by Martha Kearney. Nor did she ever mention that Baroness Warsi is Muslim herself.  
      She then discussed the issue of election fraud with BBC election pundit Professor Phil Cowley. He doused a large bucket of cold water over Baroness Warsi’s remarks. The only specific example he cited of “dirty tricks” was by the Conservatives against the Liberal Democrats. (Prof. Cowley was on Radio 4’s Westminister Hour each week throughout the general election as one of two all-seeing commentators. The other was Nick Watt of the Guardian.)


    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      How many of those 28 signatories would be the on-air talent covering the election, which means they’re more concerned about getting all that face time and public attention, not to mention all the free fancy dining and booze, and the chance to “interpret” the Nasty Party for the audience?  They have a right to all of those things, and no silly strike by whining underlings is going to get in their way.


      • Grant says:

        David P,
        That is a good point, the signatories probably feel more damage may be done to the Tories by covering the conference than not. It certainly has nothing to do with impartiality.


        • NotaSheep says:

          Excellent point, they probbaly have their scripts written and labour supporting guests lined up for expert comment; they want to play!


      • Guest Who says:

        That’s the troubled with principled stands; you are never too sure what principles are being trampled on in favour of others.

        They may be venal, but most of these guys are not daft.

        Once this little charade is over, they may not have quite the job prospects they once enjoyed, with luck in common with a few others who confuse doing their jobs with trying to shape society as they see fit, using others money.

        Even the EastEnder of the great UK licence-fee paying public might view objective broadcaster employees dictating broadcast politics by industrial action as beyond the pale… and with luck as symptomatic of a deeper malaise.


        • Guest Who says:

          My main concern is that this will get ‘resolved’ at the 11th hr, and then spun as a triumph of gene-based objectivity triumphing, when the blatantly obvious facts of what has already gone down give clear lie to that.


  36. Martin says:

    Great programme on the Military Channel tonigt, 2 hour special on the soldiers who fought in Northern Ireland.

    Told by soldiers and not camp beeboids.


  37. George R says:

    INBBC gets around to giving a late, light,  censored mention on ‘Newsnight’ about this*:


    Two British-based Islamic jihadists behind “Mumbai-style plot”

    INBBC ‘Newsnight’ censors that the two ‘Britons’ are MUSLIM.

    * but still not on  INBBC website.


  38. George R says:

    Typically, INBBC is inclined to put the issue of the security of the British people as a whole, as subservient to the political demands of certain Islamic interests groups.

    “Police remove ‘spy’ cameras from Birmingham”


    A non-INBBC view:

    UK: Police “sorry,” “deeply sorry,” express “real regret” over cameras in Muslim neighborhoods


    • Only Winding says:

      As a Birmingham political activist I can tell you that there have been crimes in the area which would have had a better chance of being solved if these cameras were still operative.

      Eg. A car dealership in the Bromford area of the city was vandalised. Previously one of these cameras was trained on this location.


      • David Preiser (USA) says:

        If it saves the feelings of one person whom the BBC thinks is oppressed, it’s worth it.


  39. Orryl says:

    @David Preisner
    Point taken. But Bowen’s (as of course has the Beeb) got form and you’d be forgiven for suspecting a subtextual meaning in his reportage: an airing of a prejudice which doubtless entertains such things as a collective guilt and conspiracy theories, as applicable to Jews anywhere on the planet.


  40. Cassandra King says:

    The leftist/Marxist/fundamentalist socialist movements have the planned and measured use of violence and intimidation built into its political ideology and as history shows us they use violence and thuggery as a political tool wroking side by side with its political narrative.
    Its well understood by everyone that leftists will smash windows,vandalise property and attempt to deny ordinary people the right to go about their lawful business with so called strike action and so called civil disobedience and so called direct action.

    The BBC accepts the use of anti democratic thuggery by the left as part of the normal and acceptable field of political endeavour, the leftist mob can smash windows and burn things down and intimidate and bully the population at large.
    Why does the BBC accept such tactics as normal when any violence form the right would be stamped on with fierceness and determination, the airwaves would be filled with commentators criticising and decrying the use of political violence.
    The fact that the right wing wing do not use planned violence to pursue political aims is a testement to the right wings acceptance of civilised values but the BBC would be far less sympathetic if they did.
    Why is it acceptable for some people to break the law, threaten people, smash things, disrupt peoples lives in the pursuit of political objectives? Why does the BBC offer tacit approval and support for such anti democratic criminality and casual use of violence to further political goals?

    The use of violence to further political objectives is a union tactic that has caused no end of pain and suffering over the years and yet this kind of thuggery is still seen as acceptable, its not is it? Peaceful protests are the mark of a democracy, planned violence using the cover of protests is the mark of a sick twisted and perverted ideology.


  41. George R says:

    ‘Impartiality’ – the last refuge of a BBC-NUJ scoundrel.

    “The BBC’s director general yesterday warned staff they risk giving the ‘misleading impression’ they are not impartial if they strike during the Conservative Party conference.”

    How ‘misleading can BBC-NUJ get?

    “BBC staff warned over strike ‘bias’ risk”



  42. George R says:

    A typically ‘even-handed’ INBBC presumption:

    Western forces, and Islamic jihadists in Afghanistan are just as bad as each other.



  43. George R says:

    INBBC and Wilders.

    INBBC’s ‘Europe’ page censors, so far, this significant political development in the Netherlands:

    “Dutch coalition to target burqas, Muslim immigration”


    And:” Geert Wilders forces burka ban on Netherlands”


    Geert Wilders forces burka ban on Netherlands


  44. Gerald says:

    One to look out for from our correspondents over the water.

    Some media outlets in the U.S. are putting around the Sarah Palin was booed when she turned up to watch her daughter take part in “Dancing with the stars”. On the results show the relevant out-take clip was played, which clearly showed that it was the judges being booed. If you are a right of centre female aspiring politician in the U.S the seemingly panic stricken liberal left will move heaven and earth to get “critical” items “published abroad”.


  45. Amy Smythe says:

    I would like to add something I have seen on the Stephanomics thread/blog on the BBC. In her article we read this.
    “its difficulty is that it’s hard to identify a single indicator suggesting inflation is about to pick up.”
    This used to be a familiar theme on Stephanomics until she got so many comments pointing out her poor record in this area that her mentions of inflation declined substantially.
    This is odd because elsewhere on the BBC website we get on the same day.

    “The cost of filling your tank has risen by another 1p per litre…..
    That makes UK hauliers less competitive in the UK domestic market against foreign competition, increases costs to UK business and pushes up prices of everything the UK public buys.”


  46. David Preiser (USA) says:

    You can tell The Obamessiah and the Democrats are in trouble in the polls, as Matt Frei has stepped up his scaremongering.  It’s another blog post where he’s read and been inspired to tell you about it.  This time, it’s from the JournoList-infested and Obamessiah-devoted Time.
    A secret world of US militias  
    This is an utter joke.  These people have been around for decades.  Anyone remember Timothy McVeigh?  How about the movie “Red Dawn”? I remember reading about some silly militia people in Michigan during Poppy Bush’s Administration that the US Government was in league with the Soviets and were transporting Soviet tank to strategic positions in the US.  
    What really happend was that the US military was transporting a couple of tanks they had grabbed in East Berlin as the wall came down.  Apparently, the military base where they take apart and examine foreign hardware was in Michigan, and the military was moving them openly, uncovered, on a train through the area where a couple militia sillies were hanging out.  The Army was laughing out loud when the militias made a fuss because the whole point of moving these tanks openly was so that nobody would think there was something secret going on.  
    This was nearly 20 years ago, when a Republican and father of the evil warmongering cowboy war criminal.  Dick Cheney was part of the Administration then, too.  These people are mostly anti-government, full stop.  They were against both Bushes as well as Democrats.  The modern militia movement really got its big jolt during the 70s and the last decade of the Cold War.  There was a big crossover between the survivalist movement (freaking out about inevitable nuclear war) and the militia types.  It’s nothing to do with being against The Obamessiah or ObamaCare or Sarah Palin.  And the militia movement in the US is no secret.  Maybe it is to ignorant Beeboids who traipse across the US with the proverbial scented handkerchief held to their noses while they scowl at the locals for the cameras.
    Yet Matt Frei wants you to think this is some newly-developed secret momvement from the far Right, the ugly flip side to the Tea Party coin.  He mentions the Tea Party movement in the same sentence specifically to discredit people like me. It’s an absolute lie.  Note how Frei Boy tries to tell you this is totally believable because the author wrote a negative book about the “unprecedented power” of pantomime villain Dick Cheney.  
    Matt Frei is dishonest, and cannot be trusted to cover US issues.


  47. David Preiser (USA) says:

    There is no reason for the BBC to bother broadcasting the US President’s announcement that Rahm Emanuel is going to Chicago to run for mayor.  This is a non-story, as even the ludicrous Mark Mardell understands.  There’s an opening in Chicago, Emanuel is tight with the political elite there, and it’s the perfect opportunity to entrench power.  This has no relevance to how the President is doing overall, and has no bearing on anything except Emanuel’s own grasp for personal power.  There’s no reason at all for the BBC to bother you with this.

    Unless, that is, they think you need a chance to hear Him reassure you that all is well.

    Yet another classic example of the use of your license fee to promote the leader of a foreign country.


    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Followed by a discussion of this non-story with Adam Brookes in Washington about how this is a non-story and “we haven’t seen the last of Rahm Emanuel”.  Yawn.


      • Craig says:

        David, just an update on that BBC website piece US View: Media on the Republican ‘Pledge’ that managed to use 3 JournOListas out of a total of 5 commentators (which you commented about onn page 7 of the last open thread), and which also disguised Ezra Klein’s left-wing position to suggest a non-existent balance in the article…well, originally it was an anonymous piece. Checking again, the name of the author has now appeared. It was the JournOListas’ best friend Katie Connolly herself. 

        She’s still in regular twitter contact with the JournOList crowd. In September alone she tweeted Matt Yglesias, Ari Melber. Ben Adler, Mike Madden, Dana Goldstein and Ben Smith.