Let this be the thread for catching BBC bias about one of the last of the giants of the 20th Century. Love her or loathe her, as the BBC says……
Margaret Thatcher, RIP
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John Mervin, BBC business reporter in NYC, isn’t pleased about the appearance of his colleagues on the News Channel:
Is Mervin the first of the vermin to break cover
Time for him to receive his P45 with no pension.
John Vermin? An unfortunate name if you don’t like anagrams…
As predicted.
Though it does appear most are toeing what would is either a sensibly respectful or neutral line by common humanity or corporate threat, it seems that some, literally, ‘did not get the memo’.
Plus the default hole diggers on forums like this, who can’t get their heads around the difference between solemn ‘nothing has happened’ ambulance chasing, and gleeful grave dancing (or worse).
The concept of keeping quiet as a sensible alternative to being shown as cheap fools has clearly passed them by.
BBC talent ? Really ?
I think it was a typo – he dropped the “lack of”.
I have to say, so far so good but give it time.
I’m starting to suspect a Corporation-wide memo warning everyone to watch themselves. Count how many times you hear a Beeboid say something like, “She had an impact and left a legacy.” Completely neutral.
Although Matthew Price just got through detailing to Stage Performer Maitlis how Mrs. Thatcher was ultimately defeated in her desire to keep the EU down. A pattern is developing, I think.
It’s funny that on the News Channel in the last few minutes three different people have said that Thatcher has a great reputation in the US. I guess that’s about all they could find for the positive side of things…..
Leave it to ‘steady’ Nick Robinson : “a woman who inspired passion – both love and loathing.” and “Some will mourn. Others will celebrate. ”
Reminds me of the Queens golden jubilee – 10 million people on the banks of the Thames with Union Jacks, the BBC hunts down a sad little band of republicans, huddling in the wind and the rain, to give their coverage ‘balance’.
I can sense the frustration within the ranks of journos…they want to echo the Welsh windbag and loser Kinnock but they have been told to keep strum. But give it time…they can’t help it. Has the dreadful Scargill been tapped for comment yet?
However like seeing the first cuckoo, I just heard a “her premiership was marred by…” on the news bulletin.
Meanwhile Mrs T gets fulsome praise on talk radio int he USA.
Oddly enough, when ever I hear Kinnock speak I switch off. However I caught a little bit of the Thatcher BBC tribute last night and heard him blame Scargill for what happened to the miners and the close of the pits, something I entirely agree with :-0 Despite the opportunity he didn’t bad mouth Thatcher – credit where credit is due.
When the Brighton bomb was mentioned I was itching to hear someone mention what Farrel wrote about Thatcher in his book, alas it was just a fanciful pipe dream.
Evan Davis @EvanHD 52m
“This woman is headstrong, obstinate and dangerously self-opinionated” ICI personnel dept on rejecting Margaret Roberts for a job in 1948
Evan Davis is one of the presenters of the BBC Radio 4 Today programme.
Better than being a doormat.
Aren’t these things supposed to be confidential? I suppose they didn’t need a Data Protection Act in 1948.
“This woman is headstrong, obstinate and dangerously self-opinionated”. Yes as apposed to being ‘supine, vacillating and easily lead by the ring through her nose’, like the metro-sexual gutless bunch leading the big 3 parties today.
BBC digital exec Richard Leeming had a celebratory playlist ready – first song inevitably “Tramp the dirt down”.
Another one for the list. I guess the memo didn’t reach everyone.
That’s the one Galloway recited lyrics from…repugnant little cretinous man.
Wonder who is following who in that little relationship.
i wonder if allahway. will rush to overtly protect his buddies over the “sharia” panorama prog … like the way he fell flat on his face over ch 4 … you d have to have a heart of stone 😀
Classy response from BBC favourite Mark Steel:
naughty boy.
I thought the BBC told everyone not to say anything bad about Thatcher.
I must remember to celebrate when marxist steel goes to meet his eternity.
He’s had at least a decade to prepare for today – and that’s the best he can come with?
What a disappointment to the lefty hoards he must be.
“the best he can come with?” 😀
She died of a strike … I mean stroke
last words “Aah! Cameron is finally giving the disabled and the poor the real kicking they deserve, now I can rest”
both determined to **** the miners! (minors) … thatcher/savile like that they were.
a burial not the crem – shes not for burning
Just seen the plans for Margaret Thatcher’s grave, sheesh! they really need to make the dancefloor bigger.
and she’s been passed fit to work by ATOS too
She’s only been in hell for over an hour and shes shut 3 bloody furnaces already
iron lady – rust in piece eh!
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“When I realised Margaret Thatcher was dead, I did a double fist pump and shouted, “bloody brilliant!”
Everyone around me was disgusted, and looking back, I suppose it was out of order, I mean … I was the first paramedic at the scene” ….
you know, actually it is sad shes passed on, like anyone… she was divisive I know, and she has left a legacy, like when we get the gas bills, or the electric bills, or the water bills or see kids being ripped off by work agencies, or remember unemployment and inflation shooting up simultaneously, at least 20%,(some say 25) of our manufacturing base disappear, and the single european act pull us further into europe
You won’t be able to go on and on about her though now she’s dead.
Oh wait. Yes you will.
Since you plainly can’t speak English, may I ask why you have such an intrusive interest in British politics?
Yebbut!
He’s a professional comedian and you are merely an arse.
Yet your jokes were funnier.
hmm …
just wait till “teflon tone” kicks it. 😀
well its just the true brit way of humour isn t it … enjoy it while it lasts
before the “offence” thought police
shut down the last vestiges, of our culture.
and at least the bbc won t have to show its panorama show tonight either …
I know that we are not supposed to make rude personal remarks on this site but who the hell is this piece of dog shit, Mark Steel, he wants to keep his thoughts to himself by sticking his head as far up his arse as he can get it.
I do apologise if I have offended anyone but he offended me first.
No need to apologise, none whatever. You were remerkably restrained considering the provocation.
I don’t know who he is either.
Seem to have got by without him very well so far.
It is a sad day for Britain losing a political legend like Margaret Thatcher, There are precious few leaders in our history with both principles and courage and Lady Thatcher had them both in spades. RIP
It might be an idea to not give those on the left that are hateful towards Lady Thatchers death any oxygen of publicity by flagging it on here. We know what they are like so why not, out of respect, just ignore them.
Does that also apply to those on the right who did not wholeheartedly agree with her?
It applies to anybody who can’t show an ounce of humanity and respect.
You mean like the recent comments on this site relating to Nelson Mandela?
You mean the terrorist Mandela?
And comunist
No one was dancing Mandelas grave i.e What a terrible shame – that it wasn’t 87 years earlier”
some think his mythical status is exaggerated,most like me,were annoyed by and commenting on the BBCs reaction to his illness,how and what they prioritise and the window it opens into their mindset
Have yet to see any BBC employee dancing on Thatcher’s grave.
Mark steel an employee in all but name
Why, because he has appeared on the BBC. Does his constant appearances on the BBC make David Vance an employee?
Mark Steel has his own BBC show, DV doesn’t. Can you see the difference, Albaman?
You mean the David Vance who’s allowed on to provide commentary ‘from the right’ versus the Mark Steel who’s presented as a non-partisan entertainer?
I’m guessing he’s paid to do a show by the BBC, so yes I’d say he is an employee.
Steel is paid to host and appear on several shows. He’s probably one of those “freelancers”, and the BBC writes the fat paycheck to ‘Mark Steel Entertainment, Ltd” or whatever, but he’s more than a mere guest commentator.
Red Dwarf BBC Two (1989). Playing ‘Ski-man’ in episode “Timeslides” (non-speaking part).
Loose Talk (1994). Guest.
The Late Jonathan Ross (1996). Guest.
Does China Exist. (1997).
If I Ruled the World BBC Two (1998). Guest panellist.
Lamarr’s Attacks BBC Two (2000). Guest.
Never Mind the Buzzcocks BBC Two (2000-2001). Guest panellist on the satirical music based panel game.
Have I Got News for You BBC One (2001-2009). Guest panellist on this satirical news based panel game.
Question Time BBC One (2003, 2005, 2012). Guest panellist on discussion show.
QI BBC Two, BBC Four (2004-2006). Guest panellist.
Mock the Week, BBC Two (2005-2006). Guest panellist.
Room 101 BBC Two, (2006). Guest
The Mark Steel Solution (1992, 1994–1996) BBC Radio 5, BBC Radio 4, repeated BBC 7
The Mark Steel Revolution (1998) BBC Radio 4, (2007) repeated BBC 7 Australia – Radio National 17.30 2009-01-13 to 2009-01-16 and 2009-01-19 to 2009-01-23
The Mark Steel Lectures (1999–2002) BBC Radio 4, (2007) repeated BBC 7
Dedicated Troublemaker (2004) BBC Radio 4
Mark Steel’s in Town (2009–2011) BBC Radio 4
The Good Human Guide BBC Radio 2(1985). Contributing writer.
Extra Time BBC Radio 5. Presenter. Sports programme.
Late Edition BBC Radio 4 (1995). Regular panellist on this satirical talk show.
The News Quiz BBC Radio 4 several occasions from the late 1990s onwards. Guest panellist on this satirical news based panel game.
Loose Ends BBC Radio 4. Interviewee.
Midweek BBC Radio 4. Interviewee.
Excess Baggage BBC Radio 4. Interviewee.
Test Match Special BBC Radio 4. Lunchtime interviewee, 1 August 2008 – England vs South Africa, 3rd test, Edgbaston.
I’ve Never Seen Star Wars BBC Radio 4 (2008). Interviewee
Heresy BBC Radio 4 (2009).
Looks like an employee (except for purposes of income tax no doubt) to me
Links please.
Recent comments such as?
Those on the right at the BBC? LOL.
Heroic BBC defender Mitch Benn is fighting a rear guard action on Twitter
Mitch Benn @MitchBenn 1h
The BBC’s in for a rough day. Anything other than GOD BLESS HER STAINLESS SOUL and half the country will denounce them as pinkos…
And then he doesn’t even try to be respectful
Mitch Benn @MitchBenn 36m
It’s Julian Lennon’s 50th birthday. Poor bugger just can’t EVER be the centre of attention.
Mitch Benn Mitch Benn @MitchBenn 38m
The 80s are finally over https://twitter.com/simonjclebon/status/321247477816770561 …
Miliband Minor’s official statement is a classic example of damning with faint praise. Let’s see how much many BBC content producers start adopting his language.
Uh-oh, nobody tell Dez that Stephanie “Two Eds” Flanders is saying that Thatcher fixed the economy she inherited. Of course, her real point is that Thatcher “transformed” the economy away from the post-war status quo of being government-controlled to privatization and all that, which she doesn’t really like, but never mind. The point was made.
Stephen Fry has tweeted a youtube clip where he and hugh laurie rip into Margaret Thatcher. Pretty low blow considering the day.
National treasure status secured.
GIT !
With their privileged backgrounds, I’m not surprised that they despise the grocer’s daughter.
Champagne Socialists, the pair of them…
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/richest-comedians/stephen-fry-net-worth/
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/actors/hugh-laurie-net-worth/
Oh, so that WAS the young Hugh Laurie– for a moment there I thought it might be Owen Jones and his 574th appearance on TV this week.
Just to reiterate,
Guido Fawkes had the story at the top of his website.
On bbc.co.uk – nothing.
World’s most trusted news organisation my ****
Oh, dear, The Obamessiah has just called Mrs. Thatcher a “champion for freedom”. The Beeboids are going to hate that. Now Katty Kay is on the News Channel explaining how much the US loves her. Yet another reason for the BBC to look down on us, I guess.
It’ll be worth watching newssniffer for the progress of the bBBC reports. For the first couple of hours they were on their best behaviour, not even using the word ‘controversial’, but now Miliband has said it so Nick Robinson is as well.
What’s the betting that ‘controversial’ is in the bBBC’s opening sentence before long?
On the 1 pm programme the presenter managed to say that Mrs Thatcher was divisive about 6 times which I suppose is factual. After all she did sort out the cretinous unions , the bloated public sector, the unilateralist Labour party and the wets in the Tory party. She just didn’t go far enough and privatise the BBC which has cost the country dear for the past 30 years.
Anyway the Radio 4 news at 1 pm was otherwise quite respectful and fair , and broadcast a wide range of opinions from right and left, which of course all that we ask it to do, but it so seldom does.
But surely anyone on one side of an argument is divisive? Only a fence sitting liberal tries to please both sides?
The reason why the left hate Mrs T is that she beat them hollow and, more importantly, was a strong woman. They hate that.
Beeboids and the Left in general hated Margaret Thatcher because she consistently proved the bankruptcy of Socialist ideology. The only thing remaining from their discredited political ideas was the visceral hatred they feel for anyone disagreeing with them- and they condensed it all and focussed it on Maggie.
The Beeboid talking to Miliband Minor earlier (they just repeated the footage, which I’m seeing for the first time) tried twice to get him to admit that there were some Thatcher policies with which he agreed. Really inappropriate. But I guess not the kind of bias we were expecting, so there’s that.
BBC can’t help themselves…
Margaret Thatcher dies following a strike..
After decades of destructive socialism, nationalisation and weak Conservative government one person, a woman with the courage of a thousand lions, put this country on the road to success again.
RIP Maggie and thank you.
Although she had clear leadership skills, to a large extent Maggie was a front for Tory radicals, and, being rather inexperienced in cabinet, was I think put forward as leader to swipe a few feminist votes from Labour at the 1979 election.
So I’m mildly surprised that bBBC isn’t laying into the wicked men of the right who supplied her with many of her policies (like privatisation) – not to mention those other wicked men who lined up to stab her in the back after being given the nod from Brussels. (Et tu, Geoffrey?)
The left do like patronising the wiccle woman after all, who is very easily led astray from her natural destiny of manifesting Truth and Goodness. It takes the priesthood of New Men to restore her to greatness by emasculating their own kind in gory public ritual.
I’d just like to point out the massive amount of prepared content published and broadcast today to those defenders of the indefensible who insisted that we were wrong to criticize the Beeboids on strike recently for being prepared to go back to work in case St. Nelson died, but hadn’t thought about what they’d do if Thatcher died. As if nobody had thought of it, and only Mandela was on death’s door.
Of course all this had been prepared well in advance, as any news organization would have done, and it was foolish and revealing of their attitudes that the NUJ mouthpiece couldn’t say they’d go back to work if Thatcher died.
They did not say that they would not go back to work. What they said was it had not been considered as, unlike Mandela, Thatcher was not in hospital at the time.
No one was reporting that Thatcher “was on death’s door” during the strike so why was it an issue for anyone despite what some Telegraph “journalist” might think.
Except as you admitted at the time and as you can see for yourself, they had considered it already. Plans had been put in place ages ago, content prepared. I agree it was an unnecessary thing to ask in the first place, but once asked, the answer should have been very simple.
Just think how much bile we would have been spared if the BBC employees had decided the death of the former British Prime Minister (with no value judgement on her period of office) wasn’t important enough to return to work.
I am too young to have experienced Margaret Thatcher so I rely on older friends, family and historical accounts for information and, therefore, cannot comment with any authority. However, I have come to the conclusion that she is what this country needed at that time and she destroyed the communist unions in their greed for control and power, made great leaps in solidifying international relations with global powers like America and she set in place mechanisms for the growth of neoliberal economics which has seen our service sector advance significantly; she has her critics, I know, and as said I am not in a position to debate BUT I would like to say this. I find it unutterably hideous and revolting some of the nasty comments made by those on the Left (unfortunately, some of my ‘mates’ on Facebook included) who were still in primary school when she was in power. It’s utterly loathsome that the Left get away with despicable comments which go unchecked… it’s OK for them to apotheosize communists who have committed foul horror in the name of socialism but just because of their dislike (often ill-informed) of one woman’s politics and her curbing of the unions, they show the true nature of their hideous intolerance and spiteful nastiness. It seems that the Left can say and do anything, but if Conservatives or patriots say the same, we are ostracized and spectacle of. Margaret Thatcher RIP.
See the BBC just have to show both side of the debate in their Live Email Reactions page (directly under the headline on website!!) . Here’s what the first one states from a man called ‘Chris’:
Chris, Manchester emails: “That woman laid the foundations for all the problems of the last few years. The privatisations, the selling off of housing stock, creating the “greed is good”…
Socialists to the core!
Albaman, in the above you refer to yourself as “on the right”.
Pray tell which part of the right are you on, somewhere between the SWP and the Respect party.
On the right of who, Joe Stalin?
He’s got to be an SNPer!
He is a Scottish Nationalist Socialist who works (or worked) in the State Sector, hates Maggie Thatcher, and (entirely coincidentally) supports the BBC – in fact he loves the BBC so much (is he an ex-employee?) he thinks you should be forced to pay for it.
So many assumptions in only 4 lines.
and none of them denied – so which one is false?
All of them.
So you are not a Scottish nationalist, you are not on the Left politically, and you do not support the BBC.
OK I will add another – you are a liar.
I did not refer to myself as “on the right”. In response to a post asserting that those on the left who disliked Thatcher should remain silent I posed a question:
“Does that also apply to those on the right who did not wholeheartedly agree with her?”
Now you see it now you don’t. I couple of hours back they managed to quote Peter Thatchell front page sniping at Maggie though that seems to have disappeared now. Oldest BBC trick: we can’t say what we would like, so we find someone else to say it for us and we quote them prominently. No difference.
Obviously on the BBC she doesn’t remotely come close to the political heavyweights like Clegg and Miliband Minor.
As a non tory voter living in a town decimated by thatchers policies ( particularly ship building and mining) i can see how those on the old left may dislike her. However her policies were important /vital to the countries economy as a whole so although i have seen the pain inflicted on her targets i also have seen the good done to UKPLC.
What is strange is the attacks from the islington twitterati. Fry Steel and Prickstocke would no more talk to people of sunderland or the Northeast than twareg tribesmen and yet they profess to speak for them and the people of the north in general. Their ‘whitemans guilt” is patronising insulting and demeaning.
All the beebs Nottinghill numpties can stick their fake red flags where the sun dont shine.
She was worse than being a Tory she was aspirational lower middle class – the upper middle classes sentimentalize the lower orders only if they know their place.
Spot on
‘What is strange is the attacks from the islington twitterati’
In amongst the febrile comments, pro or con, on the BBC FaceBook page, one of the highest rated is from a chap suggesting that now would be a good time to switch off the TV and pass up on any form of social media for a week.
He’s not wrong, except maybe the duration.
I might even take up his suggestion given what is being served so far.
Of course, only in one, unique case will the funding flow no matter who is not contributing with subscription support or ad eyeballs.
By coincidence, one mainly staffed by, or hosting… the Islington twitterati referred to above.
A million on license fee strike so far. Well, well.
As a non tory voter living in a town decimated by thatchers policies ( particularly ship building and mining)
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The coal mines were losing £2.5 billion a year and rising. That was a lot of money in those days.
Spanish practices in the UK shipbuilding industry and the resultant inability to compete with the Japanese and the Koreans did for most of the shipbuilding industry.
If a bulb went in your workshop on Red Clydeside do you think you could nip down to a hardware shop and get a replacement? Google ‘demarcation’.
These industries destroyed themselves – Baroness Thatcher merely pointed out the truth – something the Labour government that preceded her were too incompetent to do. Not to mention ‘too frit’.
The union situation was so bad, that Barbara Castle had a plan to deal with them, Callahan bottled it, not prepared to take on the unions. Doing the right thing and Liebore are not good bedfellows.
264 pits closed between 1957 and 1963. 346,000 miners left the industry between 1963 and 1968. In 1967 alone there were 12,900 forced redundancies. Under Harold Wilson one pit closed every week.
So far as shipbuilding was concerned, there were constant stoppages during the construction of the high profile QE2 in the 1960s. How could the John Brown management be expected to negotiate with over 30 trade unions, whose archaic and counterproductive practices brought about the end of large scale construction on Clydebank.
All this was before anyone had heard of Margaret Thatcher.
I was a young professional in a far off land in Africa in 1978, a year before Maggie T came to power.
I was at a party with friends and the host introduced a young engineer newly escaped from the UK. He was in awe at our attitude and willingness to work 24/7 to achieve what we needed to do.
Asked why he was in the back of beyond he explained the absolute hopelessness of trying to achieve anything in gB. The unions dominated. The wrong look, word or action brought strike action. He literally fled his homeland in frustration.
Many thousands of very skilled men and professionals fled the UK at that time. Many to the USA.
The World owes much to Mrs T and Reagan whose actions led to a period of global growth in the ’80’s.
“ship building and mining” were not decimated by any politician, they were decimated by world-wide economic forces outside the control of anyone, because they were time expired. People buy Ipads and mobile phones , not ships and buckets of coal.
I personally hope that the BBC step up to the plate on this one. I’d like nothing more than to write to them in a week or so praising them for the quality of their coverage.
They might, but on their, apparently, un-moderated, Facebook page they’re letting an assortment of scum to do their talking for them. Some of the comments are beyond the pale.
A good proportion of the contributors would seem not to have been born when Thatcher was around, many seem to be typical public sector freeloaders from a variety of universities / colleges.
https://www.facebook.com/bbcnews
‘they’re letting an assortment of scum to do their talking for them’
FaceBook, like Twitter, is Wild West territory, so I remain unclear why I am forced to pay for the BBC to devolve so much, including any accountability, to free, US-based social media profit centres. And if they do have any modding there, it makes CiF look the soul of even-handed discretion. May be worth capturing a few of the more choice ones for when a high-horse troll here starts demanding the site owners atone for individuals’ posts.
If they can’t show their taking the BBC to task, and what response they get, then they are rather outed as uni-directional spoilers on behalf of the BBC…. or just very sad people.
Meanwhile, from Today vox-poppers to QT audience members to forum page Flokkers, the BBC does rather have sussed the one-degree-of-separation, ‘Who… us?’ school of getting what they want said without them actually saying it.
It may be clever now, but it will not serve them well in the long run.
QT on Thursday will be interesting with their ‘representative sample of the British Public”
Yet another troll who created an email account just to start a fight. Pathetic.
But he’s getting one, isn’t he
That really is beneath contempt and atrociously disrespectful to her friends and family. But, alas, this is the level of debate from many on the Left who have neither the intelligence to study economics and political science at a significant level or the motivation to go out and achieve like Margaret Thatcher did. Whatever one’s opinions on another’s politics, to stoop to this level is simply appalling.
Yes but so revealing of their infantile inhumanity.
The Politics of Hate and Envy. Yes, that’s Socialism.
The authentic voice of the caring left.
Not like those nasty tories .
Me and my comrades are having a party to celebrate Thatchers death.
RIP
Comrades ? says it all, really. Go and live out your wet dream of May 1968.
May 1968 was a great time.
It made the world we live in now.
Sadly, your utopia was ended abruptly in 1968 when the Soviet tanks trundled into Prague.
The Soviets were traitors to the ideas of Marx.
Thats why the USSR collapsed in 1991.
Let’s hope it goes with a bang.
It will come the Communist revolution comrade.
Happy? Dopey more like.
I am happy because Thatcher has died.
I`ll be happy when you & all socialist scum , have died ! Funny thing is, all the social media , which the left use too, was invented by free enterprise ! None was invented in a socialist , workers , state funded heavy industrial plant in Cuba , North Korea or Venezuela or other !
Your just jealous of me and my Socialists comrades.
We are the vanguard of the coming Communist revolution.
Remember what happened to Robespierre and Trotsky.
“Happy” just has to be making this up, no-one could be that stupid, surely……. (pause for tumbleweeds…..)
I’d say Thatchers stroke was caused by one of my Socialists comrades.
Me and my comrades are having a great time celebrating hr death.
Trosky was a traitor to the Communist party and he deserved to die.
Boring.
Happy, you’re like the tick and flea that ride on the dog. Sucking the life blood until the host dies then move to the next dog.
You contribute nothing but enjoy living on someone else.
You hate Maggie T because she used insecticide to remove the parasites like yourself.
You must live in a bubble. Communist success; USSR, China (now China PLC), North Korea, Tanzania, Zimbabwe. All shining examples.
Do try not to feed the trolls if at all possible.
Yeah Right ! not Left !
A barage of abusive comments and tweets accompanied tributes to the 87-year-old former Prime Minister, who angered Britian’s left wing.
Ex-Labour firebrand and current Respect MP George Galloway drew huge criticism on Twitter after he tweeted the lyric from a song celebrating Thatcher’s passing.
While left-winger Derek Hatton – who led a militant strand of Labour councillors in Liverpool – sent out an insensitive tweet over his “regret” that she had been born.
Former London Mayor Ken Livingstone said Thatcher’s policies were “fundamentally wrong” and she was responsible for “every real problem” faced in the UK today.
What a set of shitballs.
Do not get me started on Al-Kalleed-“Beacon for Islam” Livingstone.
Gosh, who knew that politics in the UK was so polarized? More polarized than ever before? Can’t blame the Tea Party, BBC……..
This country is definitely becoming more divided… it’s heading for real trouble within the next twenty years I wager…. and when you see the type of disgusting and ameba-brained comments from the socialists regarding Margaret Thatcher you see what those with manners and a gentle nature are up against!
I was trying to make a reference to all that BBC moaning before the last election about how the US has become so divided and polarized only recently. As if it was a new and unique situation.
lol… apologies, David! Bit slow today lol – had too many ales last night, you see 🙂 Yes, we Brits have a bit of a nerve telling other countries they are divided when we are more than most!!!
Actually I don’t give a stuff what the (pretrendy) left think about Baroness Thatcher (or indeed what they think about anything).
It’s not often that I am shocked by what a Labour politician says, but today Margaret Beckett actually accused Mrs. Thatcher of destroying private pensions in this country and here’s me thinking that Gordon Brown ruined what was then considered the best pension schemes in Europe with his £5 Billion annual tax raids. Beckett’s dishonesty was truly breathtaking.
Even Ken Livingslime was trying to portray her as anti-democratic when she abolished the GLC “because the people voted for a party she didn’t like”. He conveniently forgets that the people of London actually voted for a local party led by local Labour politician Andrew Mackintosh. Livingslime and his Trotskyists removed Mackintosh as soon as Labour was elected in a coup and took over the Council. The voters of London didn’t vote for a council led by Livingstone and his cronies. It’s hardly surprising Livingstone doesn’t know the definition of “democracy”.
Supplementary to ‘james +’ B-BBC Open Thread, today 2:11 pm:-
“Margaret Thatcher dies: BBC News ‘strike’ typo goes viral – picture”
Read more: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/odd/news/a471415/margaret-thatcher-dies-bbc-news-strike-typo-goes-viral-picture.html#ixzz2Pt5Y7fTa
Maybe Beeboids have ‘strikes’ on the brain?
When’s their next one? Is it part of a ‘general strike’ the trade unions are planning?
I would not put it past one or more trade unions to call a strike on the day of Lady Thatcher’s funeral.
Under current UK Law it would be impossible for any union to call a strike at such short notice. Never mind, despite being factually inaccurate, you will no doubt garner many likes from the faithful.
So they can’t have a legal strike at short notice – since when did that stop the filth??
“BBC staff go on strike, paralysing the country with hysteria.”
Beeboids to go on bullying strike about being bullied by Beeboids again.
Bully for them.
Oh, yeah, unions have never done an illegal strike just to make a point. Never.
Here’s something I cannot understand about the left;
Because of Maggie Thatcher, the British Mining industry downsized. Which is Bad.
Because of the EU’s CO2 policy all coal powered Power stations have to be closed down. Which is Good.
And no-one seems to ask the Labour Party why they failed to reopen the mines during their 13 years of opportunity.
…or bring back the closed shop, or topped up the annual increases in miners and steelworkers wages to ‘the going rate’ ie 25%
Tony Benn closed far more coal mines in the late sixties and seventies, especially in the Durham area, than Maggie ever did. He doesn’t get vilified by the Beeb. Funny that!
NO they invite him onto the Jerermy Vine show in which to express his pleasure at the passing away of the greatest PM this country has seen since Churchill.
In response to the slime ball leader of the Durham Miners, who is having a celebratory drink tonight, there were around 1000 pits and 140,000 miners in Durham pits in around 1900.
They’d almost all gone by 1950, when these closures happened:
1950’s: 16
1960’s: 73
1970’s: 19
Thatcher’s years: 17
Post Thatcher: 5
Viscount Stansgate (aka Weggie Benn) was a little silent on this, this evening, when he was on BBC Five Live. Equally the BBC never challenged him.
From the NUM’s own website:
“Throughout the 1060s [sic], with a Labour Government in office from 1964, the pit closure programme accelerated; it decimated the industry. During this period, nearly 300 more pits were closed, and the total workforce slumped from over 750,000 in the late 1950s down to 320,000 by 1968.”
State funeral of Sir Winston Churchill, 1965;
Part 1 of (4 hourly parts, available on youtube)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/churchill/11023.shtml
Here’s an interesting tweet from the BBC College of Journalism’s social media and smartphone maven, Marc Blank-Settle:
He’s previously tweeted that the video of that Iraqi throwing a shoe at George Bush is “the gift that keeps on giving”, suggesting that Sarah Palin might be responsible for Gaby Giffords getting shot and several others being murdered in the process, and that the video of the President’s first inaugural speech which the BBC deliberately edited to make Him appear more green-friendly is “beautifully constructed, beautifully realized” and “still important”. (All can be seen on the “In Their Own Tweets” page).
So it’s debatable whether or not his doing a dissertation on Thatcher meant support for her. And I’ve never heard anyone say they were from a “political household” who wasn’t of the Left (excluding those whose parents are politicians, obviously). His statement as is can be taken either way.
Why is it a seminal moment?
– she hasn’t been in power for 23 years
– she was always going to die eventually
We could get rather graphic here, but let us just say that “seminal” has a physiological meaning you may not be considering. He may be having a “seminal moment” of a quite different sort, if you catch my drift.
Exactly. Defenders of the indefensible are encouraged to provide examples of people declaring the passing of someone they support as a “seminal moment”.
The use of the name ‘Thatcher’ without the Mrs usually signified disdain, especially back in the 1980s.
One day Gordon Brown will cast off his mortal coil. If it happens in an age when tweeting still exists do you think we will get similar type of tweets from Beeboids?
One point I would make about this.
Those who are taking delight in Margaret Thatcher’s death are indeed disgusting. However, is it much different from some of the comments made when Hugo Chávez died? These are a few from David Vance’s Twitter feed (apologies, I don’t know how to post tweets properly):
“Surprised BBC not giving us live coverage of this thugs death…” 7 March
“Chavez was a VILE creature and we are the better for his passing. Lefties will be in tears.” 5 March
“What’s that smell, Comrade Chavez? Sulphur, you think? Enjoy.” 5 March
“It’s not that I wish anyone dead BUT Chavez has outlived his welcome on planet earth. ” 5 March
This isn’t that much different from some of the worst things posted on Twitter etc today.
Margaret Thacher did not make fatuous and imbecilic comments about the Soviets or the Chinese when she attended UN gatherings – unlike Chavez’s stupid insults at the West and the US in particular when he attended UN functions.
Of course, many ‘leftists’ (inc Beeboids) respected Chavez because he was a political enemy of Britain, and a friend of Castro, and of Ahmadinejad of the Islamic Republic of Iran.
Chris, there is one substantial difference, though, regardless of how mean-spirited DV’s tweets were: Mrs. Thatcher hasn’t been in power for decades, hasn’t even been involved in the public sphere for almost as long. Chavez, on the other hand, was still in power. Don’t you find it a curious distinction?
I don’t think it makes much difference that Mrs Thatcher wasn’t in power. My point was about lack of respect for the dead: David Vance showed little for Chávez, so has no right to complain about those showing little for Mrs Thatcher.
Chris,how can you respect a man who uses democracy in order to destroy it, enriches himself and his family while he destroys his own country’s economy leaving many of his people one step away from starvation. Chavez may still be alive if he had swallowed his visceral hatred of the USA and allowed himself to be treated by American cancer specialists. You could say he was a victim of his own hate based political ideology.
Chavez made himself into a figure of fun with his nightly televised tirades and lectures. Like one of Pavlov’s dogs, give Chavez a trigger word – “USA”, “Capitalism” and he would make a three hour broadcast lecture.
Did Chavez make his country a better place? Many of his own people would answer in the negative.
Many of Margaret Thatcher’s own people would say that she made her country a worse place too.
Anyway, my point was not to defend Chávez, only to point out what I see as David Vance’s (along with many others on the right’s) hypocrisy.
Okay, but hopefully you will remember this and spend a similar amount of energy criticizing those on the Left when they start the same kind of hand-wringing in response to celebrations over one of their own heroes.
I see the bBBC has changed the first line of its news item to get in a subliminal class-warfare dig.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155
Previous version (15.00):
Former Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher has died “peacefully” at the age of 87 after suffering a stroke, her family has announced.
Next version (16.15):
Former Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher has died “peacefully” at the age of 87 after suffering a stroke while staying at the Ritz hotel in central London.
Another reason for BBC-NUJ to politically dislike ex-P.M Margaret Thatcher:-
“Former British PM Margaret Thatcher, ‘staunch friend of Israel,’ dies”
http://www.jta.org/news/article/2013/04/08/3123721/former-british-prime-minister-margaret-thatcher-dies
Cue a defender of the indefensible to mention James Purnell, as if the one man balances out thousands.
Finally, after half a day, the bBBC allows a HYS on Mrs Thatcher, hidden under Stephanomics.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22070285
With some nice comments by the British people.
Ok now I fully understand that Nelson (PBUH) Mandala is God and Maggie is the devil when it comes to the bBC. But what the hell is this all about.
Thatcher’s role ‘in saving Nelson Mandela’
This was the point of the short article:
Baroness Thatcher was better known for her strong opposition to sanctions against the apartheid government, and for describing the African National Congress in 1987 as a terrorist organisation.
This anecdote about Thatcher possibly having a hand in saving Mandela’s life was bubbling around the office and had to be dealt with. It’s a shame, though, that the Beeboids and their fellow travelers don’t appreciate this sentiment from Mr. Kathrada:
“Once we’d forgiven our oppressors – the national government and individuals – we didn’t find it difficult to forgive everybody who had different views from us.”
Ah the 80s
Look at the way this is edited……
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22070623
I don’t know about the editing, but there were four haters versus three supporters, with a couple on the fence. What I found interesting was that the only person who could actually back up his position with substance about policies instead of generalities and shibboleths was a supporter.
She was considered “evil” by the left because she took everything they believed in and tore up their rulebook.
Much to the benefit of the UK.
Well David Preiser talks of the bBC preparing themselves well for this eventuallity, but I want to know how long it must have taken them to find a clip where she has a go at the EU for costing the UK so much that we can’t afford to build a decent welfare state which look after the vulnerable and disabled !
I listened to that with my jaw on the keyboard !
Does everyone remember when all the luvvies suckling on the BBC teat slagged off Micheal Foot after he died? No, me neither.
The main source of the political left ‘s (inc Beeboids’) bitterness and even hatred of Thatcher: she stopped their undemocratic ‘revolution’.
I think the Beeb have behaved themselves pretty well today. However, it couldn’t last could it. The BBC One documentary tonight is pure character assassination!
She`ll not worry-nor will we!
Just refuse the license fee, go to iplayer.
Watch the slugs who put out these scummy hatchet jobs shrivel and die…Thatcher is world history now and for ever, whereas the likes of Owen Jones will be in historys slop buckets within years.
Some people change history, others wipe its bottom because they`re unable to find their own without BBC funding or state-funded robbery…for the next tax year only though please God!
To be honest I thought their documentary was rather fair. I was impressed with Kinnock blaming Scargill for the woes of the miners.
Overheard the news of the death of Margaret Thatcher, whilst out on an awayday trip up north; so have come late to this.
1. A Great Friend of Israel.
2. Took on the EU more than any other British leader since Churchill.
3. Emasculated the likes of Scargill and Livingston, Benn and Dalyell.
4. Had convictions , principles courage, vision, determination and knew the people who supported her-because she was once one of them too.
I hated her at the time-but grew up to see that I had been wrong about so much of what she had been trying to achieve. History has proved her right( the Communists are in historys bin)…and I am grateful to have been allowed to see what an honourable, principled person of vision and determination can achieve.
I was wrong about this great lady…and those who sneer and belittle her like Adams and Galloway are exactly the reason why she must be the political template of tomorrow, the alternative is all too apparent in the shapes of Kinnocks, Milibands and Toynbees, Steels etc.
God Bless you and your family Mrs T…and thank you for the good that you did in stopping the rot far more than anybody before or since you!
David (“I’m not nasty, please vote for me”) Cameron note. Who would give tinkers cuss if Cameron walked under a bus tomorrow? What has Cameron ever done for us, except sell us down the river to buy time for himself?
Any chance of permanently recording and keeping a page detailing every nasty and spiteful tweet, comment or photoshopped picture made by a lefty comedian, actor, artist, newsreader, journalist, editor, politician etc who is or has had links to the BBC or has been paid by the BBC. It’s about time we all knew exactly who the BBC fund so that more people can be encouraged to stop paying their BBC Telly Tax.
I had the same thought myself. Lets hope it is being done.
Something I’ve noticed from Twitter today – the refusal of female journalists (BBC and otherwise) to acknowledge Thatcher’s achievements as a woman. The journalistic sisterhood can’t come to terms with the success of conservative women – it’s why they’ve got so much invested in Hillary 2016, to purge the very idea of Thatcher and start again from year zero.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2305760/Margaret-Thatcher-dead-George-Galloway-leads-chorus-celebration-left.html…exposed,the sick bastards of the far swp and so called far left uaf creep from under there stones to spew there hatred.
City people in those places that are no longer part of England. And that includes London. To be ignored. That the young who cannot possibly remember her are so determind to deinigrate her is a tribute to our failed education system .
Trotskyite teachers had been spreading their leftist poison in schools for the past thirty years.
More we had couple (inevitably english and art) at my grammar school in the early 70s
Nick Robinson
All too often politicians return to the policies of Margaret Thatcher !
And that’s a bad thing how?
I can’t help but think that there is something quite wrong about someone like Robinson (not fit to speak Thatcher’s name), passing judgement on one of our greatest leaders
He also said that he was surprised by the lack of anger which he thought would build during the week and culminate at the funeral
There will need to be a crisis meeting at BBC Towers tonight. All day they have been bleating about the withdrawal of Disability Living Allowance.
And tonight Ken Livingstone criticises Thatcher for introducing……..the Disability Living Allowance.
Oops!
When Mrs Thatcher became Prime Minister, the Left had trashed Britain. After 18 years of Thatcher’s policies we had teh strongest economy in Europe. It took over 10 years of a Labour government to wreck it again.
No one likes to be wrong, and to be as wrong as Thatcher proved the Left to be must be the reason why they hate her in such a vitreol.
Yet again I feel compelled to write about the allegedly ‘independent’ newsmedia……If I hadn’t heard of Maragaret Thatcher then I would be left with the impression that she was a non elected dictator who imposed her policies on every man in the country against everyone’s wishes. Am I mistaken or did she win three straight elections to be stabbed in the back by likes of the tory trash we now have governing the Country. bbc (I refuse to put it in capitals) go marching around the country to places like Liverpool, the mining villages, the welsh mining heartlands, gerry adams et al asking them for their opinions of Margaret Thatcher or as the bbc like to refer to her as ‘Thatcher’. Why don’t they go and ask the English people of middle England what they thought about Mrs. Thatcher? Is it because they might get opinions that they don’t wish to broadcast. God only knows what would have happened if the Falklands crisis had occurred with Brown running the place or indeed ‘call me dave’.
I despair of the situation please someone close the bbc down for good
Bingo! The BBC might have forced some of their loonier elements to take valium today, but it doesn’t hide the fact that their whole coverage is based on a lie.
Lady Thatcher won three elections, increasing her total number of votes each time. She can’t have been that divisive. It was the nutters like Hatton who were the fringe extremists but now the BBC is interviewing them like they’re represent some kind of mainstream view.
If these people represented anything other than their own demographic of swamp-dwelling rat turds, Labour wouldn’t have needed to hire a slippery chancer like Blair to bamboozle the public into trusting them again.
I bet the BBC does not show this memorable clip – her last appearance in the Commons, having an absolute field day :
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/04/margaret-thatcher-rip.php
and this piece neatly explains why the Tories could not win a clear majority of the sort that Thatcher achieved – Labour had spent over 10 years packing the voting register with immigrants :
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/04/margaret-thatcher-couldnt-be-elected-today-because-immigration-has-changed-the-electorate.php