WEDNESDAY OPEN THREAD

Well, Monday’s open thread is heaving at the seams so this is timely. Has the BBC shown overt bias, care to tell us about it? The floor is yours!

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  1. Thoughtful says:

    A bit of history, the sound quality is poor but the sketch is very funny.

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    • Guest Who says:

      Blimey.
      And here was me thinking A. LadynotasadmiddleagedwhitemanDMreader was at least coming up with their sycophantic bits off script.

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  2. Ken Hall says:

    With reference to the BBC’s multicultural historical revisionism in current drama and other programmes, and their trying to present the image that Britain has always been a multicultural melting pot, I was very interested yesterday evening to watch Britain on Film on BBC4, (that small unwatched channel safely hidden from the masses). which used the Rank Organisation’s ‘Look at Life’ documentary shorts to examine real British society during the 1960s.

    This showed clips showing every strata of 1960’s society from working classes up to high society, showing public street scenes in and around London, then scenes in factories and shops, barbers, hairdressers, pubs, clubs, parties, fashion shows, catwalks etc.. A very wide view of British society in London and elsewhere.

    What struck me was that during the whole episode, showing thousands of people in Britain, there was only ONE person of colour in it. ALL the rest were white.

    Britian was NOT multicultural back in the 1960s and this was very much the Britain I remember from my childhood.

    So any pretence that Britain has always been a multi-coloured melting pot is simply NOT true!

    The BBC’s politically correct revisionism is factually misleading, dishonest and full of lies.

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    • David Brims says:

      My favourite piece of marxist revisionism was the opening ceremony of the Olympics, black ‘actors’ prancing about in stove pipe hats pretending to be 19th century English industrialists, taking great liberties with British history and historically inaccurate.

      If you followed that logic, why wasn’t there any white actors pretending to be West Indian immigrants coming off the ship in the SS Empire Windrush sequence ?

      No, to Danny Boyle and his UAF / SWP chums, that had to be 100 % historically accurate and not to be denigrated.

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      • David Brims says:

        Seb Coe, Mr Goody Two Shoes, said ” London got the Olympics because it was multicultural !!!”

        Really ? If that’s the case, how did London get the 1948 Olympics, because it wasn’t multicultural then ?

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        • Old Goat says:

          London “got” the Olympics because the shrewd French out here thought “merse, sod that for an expensive, pointless lark – les anglaise are welcome to it”

          And we all breathed a mighty sigh of relief and opened the bubbly, counting our blessings that Paris had escaped the indignity of it all.

          Now you chaps are “stuck” with the ‘legacy’, the annual reminders, Seb “Feel my wallet” Coe, et al, and an “Olympic Park”, uses for which you will struggle to find.

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          • Old Goat says:

            That should, or course, have been “merde” but it’s difficult to type with hooves…

            …I do so wish we could edit these things.

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        • Mat says:

          ‘London got the Olympics’
          Hmm it also ‘got’ the plague and ‘got ‘ burned down then ‘got’ bombed then ‘got ‘ emptied of the productive working people and ‘got’ filled with economically useless but culturally sensitive types in stead !

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          • Andrew says:

            Winston Smith: “They got you too, O’Brien?”

            O’Brien: “They GOT me a long time ago!”

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          • richard D says:

            ….and Glasgow ‘got’ the Commonwealth Games 2014 when all but two bidders dropped out, realizing it was a hugely costly affair to hold (i.e. no positive legacy whatsoever) i.e. ‘Wee Nappy’ Salmond’s Glasgow and Abuja, Nigeria.

            Then, perhaps unsurprisingly, the Commonwealth leaders and their dogs (note – paraphrased from ‘everyone and their dog’…. no offence intended to Commonwealth leaders, or their dogs…) chose Glasgow for a bit of a jaunt, because who in hell would really choose a two-week ‘jolly’ in Abuja rather than having the opportunity for half their teams to suddenly become ‘refugees’ in Glasgow ?

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            • Rtd Colonel says:

              Russia got the 2018, Qatar the 2022 World Cup – do FIFA not play by the same multi-culti rules?
              or are we just waiting for Blatter to go the same way as Havelenge (Hopefully with more suffering involved) oops JH isn’t dead yet – seems unfair to most decent people.

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              • richard D says:

                Anything with a grandiose title with words like ‘International this….’ or ‘World that….’ refers to the travelling habits of the committee members, it also applies most certainly to the levels of hypocrisy they exhibit whilst ‘carrying out their duties’…

                …….and very little else.

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      • Racist Duck says:

        *quack* The main groups of dancers involved anyone local who could turn up to all the many rehearsals. So it was a pretty accurate reflection of modern London around the Olympic park. Specific groups such as the suffragettes and Windrush passengers were composed of actual descendants. Which explains why the were black “Victorians” but no white passengers representing the Windrush. *quack*

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        • AsISeeIt says:

          What a happy outcome.

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        • Aerfen says:

          Funny that they chose NOT to have ‘actual descendants’ of Victorian Londoners.

          One would have thought they would be more abundant than ‘actual descendants’ of Windrushers!

          What a convenient excuse for anti British indirect racism.

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        • Roland Deschain says:

          So all the actual descendents must have been locals? Otherwise they couldn’t have made it to the many rehearsals either, surely. How terribly fortunate.

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          • Racist Duck says:

            *quack* Did you see the ceremony? The larger group had synchronised dance moves they had to learn. The Windrush and Suffragette groups had to walk about with a suitcase or placard. *quack*

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            • David Brims says:

              Daffy Duck

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            • Chop says:

              Could they have not switched a few of the white folk dancing around the NHS bedpans, with the black folk wearing pipe hats in Victorian days?

              It would have been a damn site more accurate.

              Jus sayin’

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              • Chop says:

                Of course, that would actually show, that black folk were NOT the captains of industry, it would also show that black folk were brought in to Britain do menial jobs, like bus conductors, or cleaners of shitty bedpans.

                Inconvenient to the narrative?…A bit.
                Truthful?…Absolutely.

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              • Aerfen says:

                LOL!
                Excellent point.

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            • Richard Pinder says:

              The Suffragette descendents did a strange diving dance routine.

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        • Kyoto says:

          Quisling Quack. So you agree that if the descendants of the Polish women who were on the Windrush were not included, then the performance was manufactured, and their descendants were excluded because they lacked sufficient skin pigmentation. So in essence it was an approved racist performance. Quisling Quack did you clap and approve the segment?

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    • DP111 says:

      With reference to BBC’s nature programs.

      There was a time when BBC’s wild life and nature programs were second to none. Nowadays, its difficult to sit through a nature program – wild life or on oceans, continents or deserts, without sitting in apprehension when “Global warming” or “Climate Change” will be mentioned, being the main cause of loss of something or the other.

      So even if the program is beautifully filmed, as cameras and TVs are so much better now, the commentary is always tilted in a manner that it arrives at AGW or CC.

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      • Phil Ford says:

        Pity the poor sod, years from now, who will be tasked with going back through all those thousands of hours of programming to carefully ‘redact’ any mention of CAGW – because by then it will of course have been consigned to the dustbin of follies and grand illusions.

        The shame of it is that for now the BBC’s own CAGW Climate Commissars are determined to deface, to vandalise, all BBC output with the ‘agreed doctrine’ on CAGW.

        They do this, naturally, because they have decided what is Truth. And they insist that what is true for them is also true for the rest of us. The Consensus will be served!

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        • Mat says:

          Remember ‘Y2K’? gone never to be mentioned again I Know loads of others got took in as well but the BBC’s scaremongering was a lot worse at the time because they are the so called home of investigation and science reporting pmsl !! and we had to fund it about £20 billion + !

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          • Mark says:

            Y2K was used as an excuse to ship in cheap IT labour from India.

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          • Ken Hall says:

            There were plenty of examples where the Y2K bug would have actually caused major disruption, had those systems not been found and repaired.

            One entire floor of manufacturing robots in GMs biggest factory were tested and all failed the Y2K test and had their chipsets replaced, before the millenium, for example.

            The reason why Y2K was not a disaster is because the global IT community worked the problem systematically, identified old failed chips and software and solved the problem on time.

            It has now passed into legend as a scam, but I ran teams working on the problem all across the North of Europe. I performed IT audits of Universal Music Groups IT systems across Germany, France, Holland, Denmark and Norway. We identified chips and software which where tested against real date test data and failed and were replaced. we only replaced software or hardware if it failed these genuine software based tests.

            The software company I work for now (I started here in 2001) had a full audit for their software code they wrote and had to become compliant with the four digit date format, otherwise simple date calculations could not be performed.

            If we had done nothing, then the predicted chaos would have happened.

            The chaos did not happen because geeks the world over, solved the problem.

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            • Mat says:

              Ah yes the ‘we spend today we can save the world tomorrow and when nothing happens then we were right and you can never prove us wrong ‘! plan ? sorry but the greens are using this and abusing this line all the time !

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              • Stewart says:

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              • richard D says:

                On this particular point, I do think Mr Hall has provided a good analysis of the situation at the time. Also speaking from experience in the field, far too many organisations had to be wakened up to the fact that they had no idea whether their systems or technology would survive the date change. For companies who provided software for large organisations around the world, for instance, a great deal of effort simply HAD to be expended to ensure that their own particular software WAS proof against the so-called ‘Millenium Bug’. It wasn’t necessarily true that a whole lot of effort had to be expended to change much, rarher that a whole lot of effort had to be made to ensure that the very real threat of a date-related problem was avoided.

                And, in this case, I really do believe that the potential cost of failure was so high because of a well-known and pretty well-defined issue, that the effort was well worth-while.

                As far as CAGW is concerned, I think that’s a hugely different matter.

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                • Gunn says:

                  Utter bullshit. The predictions being made at the time included stuff like planes falling from the sky and other doom and gloom. It was a bunch of retarded consultants with no idea of engineering ripping loose with fairy tales. Engineered systems are, and have for a long time, been designed to have no single points of failure. To imagine that planes could crash to earth, or lifts plummet to the basement betrays a complete lack of understanding of how these things really work.

                  At that time, I was a consultant who’d only been out of university a couple of years. Apparently I was the first person at my company to ever point out to client management the huge opportunity cost involved in focusing so much on a single, minor issue. I was upbraided for saying this; turns out the partners at my firm enjoyed the cash cow even though it was pure fiction on their parts. I think it was the first time my eyes were opened to how much bullshit there is in modern corporate life.

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                  • LicenceFree says:

                    I spent the majority of 1999 ensuring my employer’s legacy financial software was Y2K-compliant. You might be right about engineering issues being exaggerated, but I guarantee that any financial institution running decades-old software in the run up to Y2K, as ours was, would have been in big trouble if they had done nothing about it.

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                    • Mark says:

                      One of the issues with Y2K compliance was the fact that many companies still ran software written in COBOL, some of it dating back to the 1960s. As computer memory was expensive back then, there were many ingenious methods of storing date and time information.

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                    • Ken Hall says:

                      Gunn, what you say would make sense IF the countries you compare were equal. They are not. I was part of a global effort to audit and remedy systems worldwide. I ran a team from Northern Europe. Teams were sent to countries all over the world. The most work was done where the most remedy was required. There was much less equipment and less critical systems in the third world countries visited. America had the most, because it was the most technicalogically advanced nation we studied. That is why the actual effort in some countries was low, whilst in others it was high with the same results.

                      There was a real problem and I saw the results with my own eyes.

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                  • richard D says:

                    Well, there you go – a ‘consultant’, two whole years out of wet-behind-the-ears and knew how everyone else is/was talking bullshit.

                    The claims about planes falling out of the skies and lifts crashing 100 floors was more to do with hyped-up newspaper-selling and than it was about real engineering, evidence-based concerns. The risk/reward analysis (now there’s a good consulting buzz-phrase for you) had to be done to stave off any free-for-all lawyering by an increasingly litigatious world, which would have crucified anyone who could not PROVE they had done enough to satisfy themselves and their customers (for instance) that their systems were ‘bomb-proof’ on that front. The ‘predicitions’ you talk about were NOT being made by sensible engineers and companies, but rather by those who had a vested interest in creating headlines and scare stories. Many companies (and I do know the difference) DID find bugs in their systems, some of them in tiny little parts of their systems, which needed rectifying to ensure entire systems were not put at risk. Just because you worked with a cowboy outfit doesn’t mean to say that everyone did.

                    One or two apparently unconnected minor faults (e.g. with an insecure panel in Paris on the flight before Concorde’s disaster) can be enough to bring down an aircraft.

                    But hey – you knew it all the second you became a ‘consultant’ didn’t you ?

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                    • johnnythefish says:

                      ‘Consultant’ 2 years out of uni.

                      Risible.

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                    • Gunn says:

                      The issue with what you’re saying is that countries where virtually nothing was spent on Y2K were not affected any worse than countries like the USA and UK which spent a lot on ‘remediation’. Of course the various profiteers will say ‘oh but xyz could have happened if you hadn’t given us all that money’ but if this was true, we should have seen some countries / companies suffer horribly when they didn’t prepare. *This did not happen*

                      I suspect that there was a lot of group think going on back then, which is why as a total newcomer I was questioning what was happening whilst more experienced people took it all as gospel.

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                • johnnythefish says:

                  ‘It wasn’t necessarily true that a whole lot of effort had to be expended to change much, rarher that a whole lot of effort had to be made to ensure that the very real threat of a date-related problem was avoided.’

                  I agree, Richard. A lot of painstaking analysis work had to be done, but then a relatively small amount of corrective effort in most cases.

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              • Ken Hall says:

                Mat, I am no green zealot and looking at the actual scientifically measured data, the hypothesis of CAGW as expressed by models (NOT tested by models), has been falsified in my view, but hey, thanks for conflating two entirely different scares and attempting to use the utter crap of CAGW to disprove the proven and very real problem of the Y2K bug.

                As others have said, there were a lot of bullshit headlines at the time about planes falling out of the sky, however, there were also a lot of date critical control systems for other industrial and utility services would have failed (and did fail in testing) and so were repaired. It was a real problem and it was solved.

                I ran teams that tested thousands of systems across northern Europe. I worked alongside the skeptical “hairy arsed engineers” and people who have Phds in computing and distributed systems, IT directors of CEOs, Network engineers from Cisco, Project directors, project managers, Systems engineers, Systems administrators, programmers and analysts who were not “wet behind the ears consultants” and who would have easily seen through any con. These people tested their OWN systems to destruction, billions of Pounds, Deutch Marks, Crona etc… of commerce depended on these systems working and I saw their faces turn white when their systems ran our independently audited test software and their systems fail. (software that the Universal Music Group had independently audited themselves) UMG made no money out of the Y2K bug, it cost them a lot of money to resolve and they would not have spent that money had they not needed to.

                There were very large corporations who did not want to spend the money on Y2K and these companies spent a lot of money testing the “Y2K Claim” before they spent a penny on rectification.

                If anyone thinks a simple date bug con was even feasible and no corporation anywhere would have found it to be a con? They are very gullible.

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                • Gunn says:

                  As I note above, the problem with this statement is that countries that didn’t spend the money didn’t blow up when the clock ticked over.

                  Many companies spent money simply because the (management) culture at the time was that it was the least risky thing to do – a bit like the old idea about ‘no one lost their job buying IBM’, no one lost their job buying lots of Y2K consultancy.

                  We will never see a full audit of the costs and benefits of all the Y2K work that went on back then, or the missed opportunities for growth as money was allocated into a non-issue. In many ways the similarity to CAGW is striking.

                  I’m sure that there are some small projects here and there that are useful despite being under the CAGW umbrella, just as there are some projects that were useful under the Y2K banner.

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                  • Arthur Penney says:

                    Has it ever occurred to you that countries that didn’t spend the money were probably those that had newer systems in place that were already Y2K compliant? It was those countries that had major IT systems in place set up in the 70s and early 80s (when memory was at a premium) that had the potential problems.

                    And I speak as someone holding an MA in computer science in 1987, and worked on computers where memory was measured in Kilobytes, not Megabytes and techniques were taught to minimise memory use.

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                  • richard D says:

                    That’s the same old record, Mr Gunn, with little or no real evidence to back up these vague and all-encompassing statements.

                    Countries round the world WERE carrying out audits and remediation. I know, I was in contact with loads of them. As too was Ken Hall, obviously.

                    As well as Arthur Penny’s query, had it ever occurred to you that the vast majority of the countries of the world in 1999 had no significant indigenous technology to speak of ? They were relying heavily on bought-in technology which was being audited and remedied by the very people who had built it….. such as, oh I don’t know, Western countries like the UK, US, France, Germany, etc., etc.

                    You will never see the total costs and benefits of the work done, you say…. well I can recall one guy saying to me that his company had started doing a risk analysis and they got only so far into it before it dawned on them that the basic risk of not doing the work was the potential destruction of their organisation – not because they KNEW that date errors were going to cause problems, but simply because they did NOT KNOW whether there was a real risk of their technology falling over, and the outcome of that could be catastrophic if they simply ignored it.

                    But a 2-years-out-of-university ‘consultant’ would know better than that guy did ? I think not.

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                  • Ken Hall says:

                    Gunn, I assure you that the reason why some contries spent less and did little and had the same result on Jan 1st 2000 was because different countries had different needs.

                    For example, during our global Audit we identified what was required to remedy the situation for UMG worldwide. Some countries were very advanced yet still had old legacy systems which failed tests and needed replacement. Other countries had less kit and it was more modern, therefore requiring less to remedy to ensure compliance.

                    Teams were sent all over the world, from America to Japan, from Europe to Australia and from India to Guatamala.

                    We audited the known kit. At that time, UMG had just bought Polygram and Polydor and quite a few other labels and did not know what the state of their compliance was, so this necessitated the global effort.

                    through this, we established what actually needed replacement. (a control system at the Hannover CD pressing factory was not compliant and they would have lost the capacity to press CDs for example)

                    This was not a life-saving critical system as in utility companies and hospitals, but you get the idea of how inconvenient it would be if a CD factory lost all production capability due to a date change.

                    So the reason more was spent in some countries and less in others with the same result, is because a lot more needed to be spent in those countries.

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            • Stewart says:

              Sorry wrong link was trying to find segment of Crichton’s speech that deals with Y2K this is closest can get
              its worth watching the whole hour long presentation, realising that his apostasy is why his death went largely ignored by media

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          • 1327 says:

            I spent most of 1999 being transferred around the organisation I worked for tasked to stop managers panicking after the consultants had visited to try and drum up some business. I remember fondly trying to calm down one manager who was convinced that on the stroke of midnight every pump in the facility (since they were computer controlled) would shut down and/or kill everyone in sight unless we brought in an expensive team of IT consultants who had just visited.
            The pumps were in fact controlled by 1985 vintage 8 bit microcontrollers which turned on the pumps if a couple of inputs went high. These little chips didn’t know the date or care !
            I got to one facility to late and found that the consultants had already been. At great expense they had “tested” each chip and stuck a lovely hologram sticker on of a bug being squashed.

            Robbing b*stards.

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          • Gunn says:

            My favourite comments at the time were around embedded chips (these are ubiquitous these days, and found in pretty much anything electrical). For some reason apparent only to the scaremongers, we were told that the embedded chips had date functions, and when the clocks ticked over it could cause them to do all sorts of random things. This never remotely made sense to me, as there are very few functions that require you to grab the date and act on it in the context of what embedded chips normally do.

            I’m sure that some applications may have fallen over at Y2K, but the most cash-effective way of dealing with the majority of such cases would have been to see what failed on 1 Jan 2000, and then fix accordingly.

            The ‘experts’ commenting here are at great pains to say that what they did was valuable and necessary, and this may even be true, but it doesn’t change the fact that for about 3-4 years, the lions share of IT budgets in many companies was given over to y2k work. No real cost/benefit evaluation was done, and so we simply don’t know how much potential was wasted because of misallocated remediation spend.

            This is almost *exactly* the same as CAGW. CAGW proponents are brandishing apocalyptic scenarios such as islands being submerged under the sea and plains turning to deserts etc, and they are particularly hostile to those environmentalists who say, you know what, perhaps we should just fix whatever goes wrong when it goes wrong rather than create doomsday scenarios and spend significant fractions of world gdp on solutions that may ultimately simply not be necessary.

            Finally, for those who are gleefully pulling out the ‘wet behind the ears, 2 years out of university’ canard, has it ever occurred to you why in the story of the emperor’s new clothes its a young boy who points out the fact that the ruler is naked? Group think creates the type of thing we see with CAGW (and what we saw with y2k) – the irony here is that even with the evidence clearly in front of you, you’re still justifying what happened because you think you personally were involved in a worthwhile project even though there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that things would have critically failed. If you disbelieve me, show me a *single* large company (turnover $1bn+) that failed directly because of y2k. If you can’t find even a single example, I would suggest you need to stop and ask yourself why this is, if y2k was such a huge scary issue that was waiting to destroy the world if we hadn’t employed thousands of heroic consultants to fix it at inflated costs.

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            • Ken Hall says:

              There were no $1Bn+ corporations failed because of Y2K, because they invested correctly in risk assessment and discovered and fixed any critical systems before the millenium.

              Yes there were charalatans who took advantage and there were crooks selling fake Y2K remedies. There was a website that showed systems which did fail on Jan 1st 2000 world wide. Thankfully they were non-critical systems.

              I worked for a company that were internationally recognised systems Auditors and our software was independently tested by our clients (UMG, AVIS Corporate (while I was there)) to ensure that it was not fraudulent. They were not simply trusting “scare stories”, nor were the IT staff or engineers of these companies stupid. They did the due diligence I would expect of corporate bodies. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING was taken as trust. Everything we did was checked. Every disk we used was checked and every piece of equipment we touched was Asset labelled and cross-checked and checked again by an internal Audit for compliance.

              When critical systems were tested, some of them failed and some passed.

              The systems which failed the tests were replaced.

              If you persist in believing in wild conspiracy tales, carry on. I know what effort went into solving the real problem.

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            • Andy S. says:

              Were the measures put in place in the run up to Y2K quantifiable? If costly measures were taken to modify computers and electronic equipment, how can we be sure those measures were successful, or even needed? The problem is, as the predicted disasters didn’t happen, was it down to the modifications or wrong predictions?

              We were told that even video recorders would stop functioning because the timer systems built into them wouldn’t recognise the year 2000. I had three video recorders at the time, one newish and two very old ones. I didn’t to anything to them and ALL worked perfectly after New Year’s Day 2000.

              It’s like the old joke about the bloke trying to sell a machine that would rid the River Thames of alligators. When told there were no alligators in the Thames he said ” It shows how effective my machine is, doesn’t it?”

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              • richard D says:

                God almighty, how obtuse can people get.

                Just as an example, there are recalls every year of millions of cars and aircraft all round the world because of potential system failures which have been identified. Note – POTENTIAL problems – not necessarily affecting every single aircraft or vehicle in the world. That is what risk management entails. The Rolls Royce Airbus A380 engines, for example, or the batteries in the Boeing 787s as two recent ‘scares’, never mind the hassles Toyota has had.

                Now, take a look at how much these manufacturers would be sued for if they did NOT examine the issues laid before them and simply breezed ahead without caring.

                Exactly the same thing…. it happens all the time, and yes, there were Y2K scaremongers, and yes, there were Y2K cowboy outfits employing people with zip experience who were shouting the odds.

                The professionals simply recognised the POTENTIAL issue, and got on with the job of making sure it did not affect their business. The majority of IT expenditure in the late 1990s was NOT spent on Y2K scares, but risk management was employed by responsible companies whose livelihoods would have, or could have, been affected. I worked with a company which had teams in many locations across the world examining the issues and dealing with anything that arose – and it was done with a minimum of fuss – and at little additional cost to our development programmes. But failure points , and potentially very expensive ones, were found, and dealt with.

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    • Aerfen says:

      Spot on!
      You only have to look at old school photographs, even from London schools, to see what a very small number of foreigners there were, there were small numbers of Jews, and a tiny number of black and mixed race people almost entirely restricted to dockland areas.

      Jennifer Worth in he rCall the Midwife books specifically says that there were very few foreigners in the East End in the 1950s, but still the BBC couldnt resist throwing ina few black people to the maternity clinics int he TV series of the same!

      Even in the eighties East London was still very much predominantly ethnic British, soem Jews still, a small number of black people and Asians very much concentrated in the Brick Lane area, with some out in Bow.
      Bethnal Green was still ethnic British, the isle of Dogs and Poplar almost entirely ethnic British, Hackney predominantly ethnic British although with a long standing West Indian contingent, many born here, and hardly any Asians.

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    • will.duncan says:

      If that was so then why did Powell make his rivers of blood speech?

      Was he imagining what he spoke. Or is your memory faulty?

      Guess which

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      • Stewart says:

        Powel was predicting , with uncanny accuracy , the out come of not reversing the then already accelerating rate of immigration.
        What would be enlightening, would be to review the statements and predictions of his critics then.
        I am afraid Mathew ,that as much as you and the faithful might wish it, so far the is no way for you to delete peoples first hand ,lived experience
        I guess you no that though ,which is why we hear the ‘you’ll all be dead soon’ theme so often from the caring, sharing , not at all hate filled bourgeois left

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  3. DJ says:

    File this under ‘say, does anyone smell an agenda?’:

    7:22 on the Toady program and they have a feature about doctors emigrating, interviewing two GPs, both of whom said the same thing: they were totally going abroad just because the ‘media’ was mean to them. Then – as if by magic – it turns out that the GP’s union has done a survey of its members showing that loads of them were going abroad because the press was mean to them too.

    If you were a little skeptical that someone would emigrate thousands of miles because the Daily Mail was rude about them…. you certainly weren’t going to get a word in edgeways. The Beeboid ate it up with a spoon.

    So there you have it: the only way to save the health service is to stop people reporting honestly on how it goes about its business.

    Now, how about we apply that to law enforcement…..

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    • Guest Who says:

      ‘union has done a survey ‘
      Usually enough for most to know where things are leading….
      ‘the only way to save the world’s most trusted media monopoly is to stop people holding it to account on how it goes about its business.’

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    • johnnythefish says:

      This couldn’t possibly be the BBC supporting a certain agenda of one of the Hacked Off campaigners, just waiting in the wings for Leveson to be implemented in full?

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/leveson-inquiry/9963263/The-truth-about-Hacked-Offs-media-coup.html

      ‘Another Hacked Off supporter, Prof Chris Frost, says: “The right to free expression… cannot be absolute… the key is to allow as much freedom as is concomitant with the rights of others balanced by the public interest.”

      Frost wants newspapers to be forced to reflect “a fair selection of the day’s events”; a regulator, in other words, would decide what stories they covered.

      At the May 17 event, numerous Left-wing speakers outlined their view of how the “public good” or the “public interest” as defined by a press regulator, should override freedom of expression.

      Jacqui Davis, from Keep our NHS Public, said the media should be obliged to “stand up for the NHS”.

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      • Richard Pinder says:

        A Free Press is by definition in the “Public Interest” because if it was not then the newspaper would go bust because the customer would not be interested in buying the newspaper, but then from past experience of socialist regimes, a regulated press would then need to be supported by state taxation to be financially viable. Also these left-wing loons would find that they could and would need to deliver these as free newspapers if they wanted to inform the proletariat that the Labour party thinks that the “public good” deems that the proletariat must “Stand up for the NHS” management in its public relations war with the families of victims of NHS neglect, by suppressing the Media from reporting the experiences of hospital visitors who witnessed incompetence and neglect leading to the needless deaths of these NHS patients.

           10 likes

        • Banquosghost says:

          I agree, how about a fancy name for this state sponsored news, umm, Privda, Pruvda, I don’t know, something catchy.

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  4. Guest Who says:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/outrage-as-man-walks-free-after-admitting-sex-with-13yearold-girl-called-a-predator-by-the-judge-8748494.html?
    One is sure it is or will be covered by other media, but given certain… ‘sensitivities’…. is it possible a few may ‘analyse’ more than most and decide it was ‘from another time’, in that unique way they can often manage?
    On the BBC home page currently, the space-restricted story summary reads: ‘Abused child labelled predatory’ (the BBC does like ‘labels’ on occasion, especially those whose context needs further reading to clarify) before leading to this:
    Barrister criticised for calling child abuse victim ‘predatory’
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23597224
    Ironic, given that is what the BBC has just done too, if in that semantically crafty way they can deploy when so moved.
    I’d be interested in learning the thinking behind their choices, but guessing if James asked them why, they’d decline to answer because they don’t have to as they are BBC ‘journalists’?
    Maybe we’ll just have to settle with contrasting what the Independent managed in coverage vs. the BBC’s version… versions?
    And if the morning shift leaps in with ‘the Daily Mail dun it too’ in support of the BBC, it will only compound the tragic with comedy.

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    • The Beebinator says:

      i lost my virginity to a predatory 13 year old girl when i was 12. i was smoking at 13, drinking at 14, pubs at 15, in the army at 16. happiest days of my life

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      • Banquosghost says:

        Christ, by the time you were 20 you must have looked like Wilfred Bramble!!!! 🙂

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  5. Alan Larocka says:

    Quick – get Jeremy Bowen – got some footage!

       25 likes

    • Old Goat says:

      “CUT”!!. “OK, everybody – that’s a wrap, loves…”

         17 likes

    • Ken Hall says:

      WOW, You don’t see that level of stagecraft in the clips that the BBC finally shows. Very enlightening. All staged for the cameras.

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  6. DYKEVISIONS says:

    I am surprised the interview is still up on the BBC news site, but UKIP’s MEP ‘Bunga Bunga’ Bloom was on superb form with ‘If we win’ Naughtie today.

    Have a listen..

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23597233

       24 likes

    • DYKEVISIONS says:

      Apologies, all of this is on the thread ‘UKIP attack’

         10 likes

    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Well, it certainly was refreshing to hear a Beeboid state uncategorically that the Prime Minister and the Government were elected and we should abide by their decisions even if they’re not popular. Naughtie even gave a light chortle of derision as he said it. Can we play this recording back at him the next time the BBC bitches about how Cameron should stop doing something because people don’t like it?

      And what a lame tactic to wheel out an anti-polio campaign to prove that foreign aid is vital and anyone who wants to stop it is a cruel-hearted bastard. Too bad the UKIP guy wasn’t up to the challenge.

      This relentless campaign to publicly shame and calls to ostracize anyone who expresses mildly unapproved thoughts is getting out of hand.

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  7. AsISeeIt says:

    Nicky Campbell can always be relied upon to go out to bat for the BBC.

    Yesterday a listener opined that Peter Capaldi’s adoption by the Beeb as the new Doctor Who might lead children to watch sweary clips from The Think of It on You Tube.

    Campbell: ‘Oh, I wouldn’t worry about that!’

    Funny, isn’t it, the way the BBC seems to so casually assume the right to decide for us what we are – and are not – to worry about.

    One would think the BBC has already been promoted to the role of Grand Censor-in-Chief of all media.

    What’s that you say? – Not for a few years yet?

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    • uncle bup says:

      Another Gameshow neologism-

      Kwolibanna – (noun) when you and your two monkeys collapse in riotous fits of laughter over one or the other of you’s puerile joke.

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    • uncle bup says:

      Think it translates into the Queen’s English as ‘quality banter’.

      BBC Light News™

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    • Dave s says:

      Just why is the BBC so obsessed with Dr Who?
      A children’s show of doubtful entertainment value. I suppose it is the best they can do these days.

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      • Dave s says:

        Having said that the BBC4 Anglo Saxons last night was exceptional. You see they can do it if they try. No political correctness and no sloppy dropped consonants. And the bonus of hearing our old language spoken so well.
        So I am biased being of Anglo Saxon descent and not sure about the monarchy since 1066 but it really was rather good.

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        • Doublethinker says:

          I had recorded this one and was half expecting M Wood to try and convince me that Alfred was helped in his struggle against the Danes by a boat load of African warriors. So I am relieved that you believe it to be free from BBC Revisionism and that I can now watch it without needing to take extra blood pressure pills.

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        • Ken Hall says:

          Yes BBC 4 does sneak some good stuff out when they think no-one is watching.

          They reserve the good stuff for when the nation’s back is turned, but fill the other airwaves at prime-time with revisionist, PC left wing propaganda.

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        • johnnythefish says:

          Bet there was no mention of the Medieval Warming.

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      • Gunn says:

        Dr Who used to be quality childrens SF back in the 70s and 80s. It was low budget, but the scriptwriters cared about the story.

        I honestly wish it had been left to die after the ridiculous made-for-america travesty of a film starring Paul McGann.

        Instead, it was given over to queer to f**k Russell T (apprently the middle initial is important) Davies who is gay and has a big hang up about being gay.

        So now this erstwhile children’s program has become a vehicle for the promotion of homosexual ‘values’ onto the youth of Britain. Additionally, the Dr himself went from being an alien entity that we could barely relate to, into a young man who the teenage girls can drool over whilst taking breaks from the latest boy band phenomenon.

        This isn’t merely dumbing down the BBC’s oldest and strongest SF franchise: its the BBC giving us the finger whilst it goes merrily on its way ramming its agenda down our throats.

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        • Chop says:

          I have never forgiven the BBC for inserting the line “You’re a Muslim!” in the episode entitled “The God Complex.”

          It just f*cked the whole franchise up as far as I was concerned, it was bad enough sexualising the Doctor, and gaying him up under Davis.

          I have never seen the Doctor say “Ohhh, you’re a Christian!”, or “Ohhhh, you’re a Hindu!” or “Ohhhh, you’re a Buddhist!”…..ect.

          Ya get’s my point.

          And that was under the less gaye Moffat man.

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        • Persona non grata says:

          Jeez. Even by Biased BBC’s so-low-they’re-barely-discernable standards, this comment ends up scraping several levels below the bottom of the barrel.

          “Russell T Davies is gay!” So what? He doesn’t seem to be the one who has the hang-up. If you want to see someone hung up on gay issues, find a mirror.

          “the scriptwriters cared about the story.”

          Ridiculous, patronising twaddle. Think today’s screenwriters don’t care about story? They care more about story than you seem to care about the facts.

          So now this erstwhile children’s program has become a vehicle for the promotion of homosexual ‘values’ onto the youth of Britain

          Yes. A Doctor who clearly develops a deeply emotional, loving relationship with his companion Rose. Who falls in love with Madame de Pompadour. Who, as a human in hiding with no knowledge of who he really is, falls in love with Joan Redfern, and dreams of marrying her and having children. Who married River Song. And, apparently (though off-screen), Elizabeth I and Marilyn Monroe. Who destroyed the universe, and himself, so that his two companions Amy and Rory could revert history and get married to each other. Even before he knew they’d end up being his in-laws.

          But, you know, the very occasional mention of gay people clearly trumps all that.

          You berk.

          Additionally, the Dr himself went from being an alien entity that we could barely relate to, into a young man who the teenage girls can drool over whilst taking breaks from the latest boy band phenomenon.

          Christopher Eccleston was older (at 41) than Tom Baker was (40) when the latter took on the role. David Tennant (34) was older than Peter Davison (30).

          Yes, Matt Smith was the youngest actor to take on the role, but looking at his most recent stories you’d be hard pressed to determine what his actual age is. And Peter Capaldi, 55, is the same age as William Hartnell was when he took on the role.

          And besides, “who the teenage girls can drool over whilst taking breaks from the latest boy band phenomenon”? I thought it was supposed to be all about the gays now? You can’t even be consistent about your fallacious prejudices.

          But hey. Biased BBC wouldn’t be Biased BBC if its commenters didn’t have an extremely estranged relationship with common sense and facts.

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          • Wild says:

            If you are claiming that Russell T Davies does not have a political agenda it is you who is the berk.

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            • Persona non grata says:

              I’m saying that anybody who claims that DW has since 2005 been driven by a gay political agenda is deluded. Only the very, very stupid would believe that. Which is why it gets so much traction amongst those Biased BBC commenters untroubled by intellectual prowess, I guess.

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              • Ken Hall says:

                When were there homosexual kisses in DH? In story lines pre-2000? or story lines written by Russel T “I must get homosexual propaganda into everything I write” Davies?

                He not only shoved it into Dr Who, but then wrote a whole spin-off series as a vehicle for his sexual fantasies, culminating in the appalling and roundly panned American series of Torchwood, which finished with a 10 minute long homosexual sex scene.

                Russel T Davies admitted to wanting to break down barriers so he could push homosexuality in the storylines.

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                • Persona non grata says:

                  When were there homosexual kisses in DH?

                  I assume you mean DW – and the answer is “never”. Captain Jack kisses both Rose and the Doctor goodbye in Parting of the Ways, neither of which is meant romantically. Matt Smith’s Doctor gets very excited in Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, during which he pecks Rory briefly (a moment reciprocated similarly briefly in The Power of Three) – but that’s clearly done in the same spirit in which all those clearly heterosexual Premier League footballers celebrate a goal.

                  In contrast, the Doctor has also kissed his companions Nyssa (on the cheek), Grace Holloway, Rose, Martha, Astrid, Donna, Christina, Amy and Clara, as well as Reinette/Madame de Pompadour, Jackie Tyler, Joan Redfern, Marilyn Monroe (offscreen but we saw the lipstick remnants) and River Song. And the last one especially, in what may well be that character’s final appearance, was initiated by the Doctor as a clearly romantic gesture.

                  Huge gay agenda going on, obviously.

                  “… the appalling and roundly panned American series of Torchwood, which finished with a 10 minute long homosexual sex scene.”

                  Look, I was no fan of Miracle Day either, but that guff about a 10 minute scene is even more fictional. There was a scene where a scene between Captain Jack and another man was intercut with a scene between Eve Myles’ Gwen and Mekhi Phfier’s Rex. The total scene – which was cut down substantially in the UK, compared to the version which ran on the US Starz network – lasts around 1min 30sec. And was in the third episode of ten.

                  So when you say “Torchwood… finished with a 10 minute long homosexual sex scene”, the only thing you get right is was that it was called Torchwood. Everything else you made up.

                  What a surprise – Biased BBC commenters making stuff up to reinforce their own prejudices. Whodathunkit.

                     5 likes

                  • johnnythefish says:

                    Your occasional forays onto b-BBC are great entertainment, Scott, but unfortunately you still seem to be obsessed with the more frivolous posts whilst ignoring huge numbers groaning under the burden of BBC-damning facts which show the organisation up for what it is – a home for overgrown student agitators persistently pushing a left wing narrative. No wonder you back it to the hilt.

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                    • Persona non grata says:

                      Ah, yes, tactic #47 in the Biased BBC playbook – when errors are pointed out, try and change the topic by whining about how other issues should have been discussed first.

                      To be swiftly followed by:
                      • Somebody will say I should leave if I don’t agree with you
                      • Guest Who spouting paragraphs of the same tedious BS which I think is supposed to claim that people disagreeing with the usual suspects on here are somehow trying to shut down debate
                      • Base insults aimed in my direction
                      • Any attempt to stand up for myself to be classed as “ad hominem”
                      • I’ll be called a bully (usually by the same people who’ve told me to leave, or thrown four-letter words at me)

                      Have I missed any? Or do Biased BBC commenters have yet more ways to show themselves up?

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                    • Guest Who says:

                      ‘you still seem to be obsessed ‘
                      Looking at the reply garnered, who could possibly think that is the case?
                      The BBC must be thrilled at the calibre of representative it attracts.
                      4 paras, admittedly. But short ones.

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                    • johnnythefish says:

                      Scott said, August 8 @ 7.25 a.m.‘But hey. Biased BBC wouldn’t be Biased BBC if its commenters didn’t have an extremely estranged relationship with common sense and facts.’

                      All I was saying Scott is that you ignore countless fact-based posts which attack the BBC on far more serious issues than Doctor Bleedin Who, even those where you are personally asked to reply, so accusing posters of being estranged from ‘facts’ is a teeny weeny bit rich.

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              • Rufus McDufus says:

                Don’t mention Torchwood with ‘Captain Jack’.

                   9 likes

                • DYKEVISIONS says:

                  Or Thomas Schafenacker who is currently ‘giving the weather’ to Evan Davis on the ‘Today’ radio programme.

                  I will get my coat!

                     11 likes

          • Roland Deschain says:

            You are Russell T Davies and I claim my £5.

            More seriously, though, I’ve been a DW fan since the days of Jon Pertwee and I’ve mostly enjoyed the revived series, albeit with a wince at some obviously contrived PC references. I think Matt Smith has been excellent, managing to portray a character who is somehow much older and world-weary than he looks. The Girl Who Waited is probably my favourite episode, with Amy ageing year by year until rescued, only for the Doctor to slam the Tardis door in her face in order to save the younger Amy, breaking the promise he had made.

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            • David Brims says:

              “Russell T Davies is gay!” So what?

              Because Scott, he pushes his ‘life style’ down our, err, um, throats, so to speak.

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              • Banquosghost says:

                I read Russell T Davies Doctor Who novel in the ’90’s when Virgin publishing had the book franchise and published about 100 high quality adult novels set in the Whoniverse. I still have the book somewhere, collecting dust and hopefully value!

                They had introduced a new male companion for the Doctor and after several novels was well established as the nice but dim hero type the girls fall for and to whom he gave a wink and a smile. Good innocent stuff.

                Davies book had the character turn gay overnight and have a homosexual affair which was the primary story in the novel, the Doctor and the plot was pushed aside to allow a first time novelist to ram his sexuality into the readers face. The next book in the series and the character was back to normal. Davies has had an agenda with promoting homosexuality in everything he has produced, if its relevant then fine, I don’t care, but don’t eff up a childrens series with such godawful propaganda

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                • Persona non grata says:

                  Davies book had the character turn gay overnight and have a homosexual affair which was the primary story in the novel,

                  I have a copy of the same book. It so wasn’t the primary story.

                  But hey, I do appreciate that even the slightest mention of gay people seems to bee too much for some people, so they exaggerate said content in an attempt to justify what is in effect their own rampant prejudice.

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                  • Banquosghost says:

                    Of course you do, I believe you, thousands wouldn’t and would think you are a lying toad, but not me, no siree I think you are as honest as the day is long. Its a tradition with the left.

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              • Persona non grata says:

                Ah diddums. Does ickle David Brimmy not like it when characters appear on screen that aren’t exactly like him?

                Thank goodness for that. TV would be an atrocious place if it was full of lying racists.

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                • David Brims says:

                  Scott ” WAAYCIST !!”

                  Didn’t know gayness was a race !

                     8 likes

                  • Persona non grata says:

                    What a short memory you have Brims. Your racist stupidity comes from other instances, as you well know. Not even you are THAT stupid.

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                • Beez says:

                  WAAAAYCIST. Didn’t take you as long as i thought to spew that nonsense.

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            • Gunn says:

              I watched Dr Who as a child, and my view is that the rebooted version simply doesn’t feel like Dr Who anymore.

              The original Dr Who focus was more on the stories, and in my view was aimed directly at young boys, who would find the adventures battling against various different alien creatures quite exciting. The new series’ seem much more emotionally focused, and if I had to try to define it, I would say they’re aimed at girls more than boys, with an emphasis on relationships rather than the stories themselves.

              The BBC have taken an old franchise (which, if I’m being fair, failed) and turned it into something completely different.

              I stand by my comment about the heavier emphasis on sexuality, though I will accept that I was thinking largely of the offshot ‘Torchwood’ rather than the main Dr Who franchise when discussing Davies’s overwhelming need to make homosexuality mainstream.

              Having said that, it makes me cringe when I see scenes that have the Dr acting like an adolescent in love, which is very different to the old series’ portrayal where he was completely indifferent to his companions’ often obvious sexuality (e.g. Leela). The only relationship I can recall back in those days was with Romana, and even that was only hinted at rather than shoved down viewers’ throats.

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              • Wild says:

                Scott knows all this (although he pretends he doesn’t) but approves of the change. You don’t. Scott also knows full well that Russell T. Davies has a political agenda. You dislike that agenda, he doesn’t. The most important difference however is that you offer your (even if he does not agree with them) entirely fair and reasonable observations about the current Doctor Who, and he screams abuse, plus the usual narrative about being a victim. It is not hard to see why people so often despise the Left. There is nothing liberal about Scott just hate and intolerance masquerading as love and understanding.

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              • Arthur Penney says:

                A case of art imitating life?

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          • David Brims says:

            Russell T Davies is gay!” So what?

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            • will.duncan says:

              So now Doctor Who is part of some plot to turn Britain (and a good part of the world) Gay.

              Oh dear, the paranoid symptoms are ever clearer.

              Doctor Who is a global success and popular throughout the world. In the US its often referenced in US shows (check Big Bang Theory) and its the most popular BBC USA program. Second is Top Gear and third is Luther (how sad for the posters here that a Brit TV series with a black lead has turned into a huge hit!).

              All three are British TV at its best. Idiosyncratic and clearly made here. Oh and Totchwood with Captain Jack snoggin guys was also a global hit!

              As we all know, people who go on about gays are generally in the closet. Time to come out?

                 4 likes

              • Stewart says:

                Does that mean your a closet racist Mathew ?
                Often think there is a degree of self flagellation in the in the liberal inquisitions hysterical exultations to stamp out sin

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            • David Preiser (USA) says:

              Once again we see how ranting about personal pet peeves which have nothing to do with biased reporting fills a thread and enables defenders of the indefensible to attack personal issues and avoid serious issues of BBC bias. Well done, all of you.

              There are other places on the internet to complain about teh gays and teh blacks, it that’s all you care about. You can even start your own websites.

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      • Thoughtful says:

        Just why is the BBC so obsessed with Dr Who?

        Have you any idea just how much money this show earns for the BBC? Other than perhaps Top Gear it’s one of the top income generators. Well it was until Matt Smith took over !

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      • Andy S. says:

        The BBC like Doctor Who because they use it as a propaganda vehicle for all their P.C. obsessions – Gay Rights, Diversity, Big Business = Bad, Daleks = Reactionary Right Wingers, etc.

        If you steel yourself to watch any episode made under Russell T. Davies and Stephen Moffatt, the propaganda is as subtle as a house brick around the back of the head.

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  8. Sir Arthur Strebe-Grebling says:

    Romania’s costly passion for building churches
    The bBBC fabricates another story to meet their agenda. This time they don’t like Romania building more Christian churches, many of them destroyed by the former communist dictatorship.
    Coming up next week – NOT! Concern over hundreds of mosques being built in Britain?

       35 likes

    • hadda says:

      At least there’s one mosque that’s not being built just yet.

         9 likes

      • George R says:

        “The Central Role of Mosques in Islamic Political Doctrine”

        http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/central-role-of-mosques-in-islamic.html

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      • johnnythefish says:

        ‘Timothy Winter, a Cambridge University tutor and lead fundraiser, admitted the ongoing Syrian civil war is playing a large part.

        He said: “We are certainly moving in the right direction and now in Ramadan, a time of giving, we are hoping for another third of a million

        ….But Mr Winter, also known as Sheikh Abdal Makim Murad, added: “It is going well, particularly at a time of recession and uncertainty in the parts of the Muslim world.

        “There has been a lot of interest in the new mosque because it is in a famous university city, is women-friendly, sustainable and green – but the uphill challenge remains finding the money’.

        Bleedn ell, that’s Cambridge f*&%@d.

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    • MartinW says:

      The disapproving tone throughout the whole piece on the building of churches in Romania was shocking and unforgivable. It said so much about the mindset of BBC apparatchiks. This biased reporting should be a matter for the Trust, but that body went native a long time ago, so there is little point putting in a complaint.

         25 likes

      • hadda says:

        This particularly egregious phrase caught my eye:

        “exquisite religious eye candy”

        The writer’s disdain for Christian art and architecture, in a nutshell.

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  9. stuart says:

    i heard stephen nolan moaning again at the weekend about why when there is a big story over there in northern ireland the british press just ignore it,he said northern ireland might as well be a foreign country as far as he cares and he was pretty angry about this,ok stephen i have an idea for you,when you have your press review from friday to sunday why dont you have a commentator or somebody from the politacal field from northern ireland as part of your guests on the news panel,here is an idea stephen,ditch that pompous politacaly correct fake conservative gerry hayes on friday night and put david vance up against the aggressive mohamed( i shout every body down and call them right wing) shaffique.i am sure david vance would put up a good politacal fight against him and proof then that your news panel is diverse and not just a dominated by english guests and politacal commentators.

       24 likes

    • will.duncan says:

      Is too much to ask you to write in sentences, with full stops and paragraphs?

      And 19 other illiterates liked it. Jez!

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  10. Mark II says:

    I see that the BBC and their pals at the Guardian are cock-a-hoop (is that a sexist expression?) about Charlotte Greene being the new voice of the football results.
    Their main reason being that she is female (you don’t say) and thus will break the laddish hegemony of the BBC sports channel.
    I don’t care about football and I am not anti-woman (as far as I am aware – probably I am in denial) – but why are they trumpeting this as a victory?
    Is it possibly because it will serve to alienate a section of society that they despise?

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    • Guest Who says:

      As one who also cares little about most spectator sports, and even less about the swelling ranks of those beyond players who jobs depend on generating copy by saying things (either obvious if commentator or insane if a manager seeking a pay hike), your account sounds accurate.
      Not so sure about alienating the sections of society you suggest as I doubt what excites the BBC/Graun really reaches them, but it has now reached a possibly new audience.
      And hence I am now wondering what, beyond being the best person for the role, is being pushed here that surely can only undermine the scrupulously non-sexist, merit-based memes being pushed all the time.
      A ‘sticking it to the man’ piece of positive discrimination triumphalism seems… retrograde, and I hope the respective compliance departments of both organisations will be addressing this.

         8 likes

    • Maturecheese says:

      Well I’m a football fan (Swansea City) and if she is anything like that female commentating banshee on MOTD (don’t know who she is and I can’t be bothered to look it up) then I can say now I will be far from impressed.

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      • Chop says:

        I’d say good luck for the 17th…

        But, being a Manchester United fan (from Manchester too, currently exiled to Watford for my sins) I won’t…

        With Moyes in charge, and his 4-5-1 style, it’s us that will need the luck against the rampaging Swans.

           1 likes

      • Banquosghost says:

        I agree, her knowledge is good but good grief when something exciting happens the octaves rise so high the neighbours dog starts howling!

           1 likes

    • Ken Hall says:

      I honestly do not care if the person is male female or even just a synthesized voice. I just hope that they can do the job properly, and that should be the only test of her capability and suitability for the job.

      I do believe that the BBC is currently undergoing a forced and contrived change in sports presentating to promote women, for the sake of promoting women. The skills to do the job are secondary.

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      • Aerfen says:

        In a similar way to which they contrived a change in ‘continuity’ by inserting Neil Nunes the West Indian with his grating distinctive post elocution West Indian accent.

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        • Rtd Colonel says:

          Love Neil – the Willard White of continuity staff – slight worry about those low frequency sounds though – not getting any younger

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          • Aerfen says:

            The only quality a continuity person needs is a clear voice which is inconspicuous – nobody wants to be distracted by recognising who the person is. Nunes fails on both these counts, quite apart from the fact that Radio Four as the ‘voice of the nation’, should normally speak with a standard recognizably RP accent that is equally intelligible to anyone in any part of Britain, or any foreigner wherever he is from.

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            • Banquosghost says:

              I agree, it used to be said a clear voice and diction made one sound like a BBC continuity announcer, now that would make you a third rate stand up trying to do impressions of the local street life.

              The memsahib says the BBC should employ Michael Holding to do announcements, read the news, the weather etc. as she only has to hear his voice and she melts.

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      • Rtd Colonel says:

        Clearly the key skill for BBC Breakfast or whatever it’s called nowadays is the ability to get to the studio early – very sexist in that over 50% of all sports reports are delivered by female presenters but excusable because the guys have probably been out p**sing it up with Inverdale!

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      • richard D says:

        Inoticed that Naga Munchetty, the other day, (a very hard name to resist playing with) managed to weasel her way into a round of golf at St Andrews with one of the competitors in the women’s UK Open….

        Why…. just, why ?…. she is a newsREADER for heavens’ sake. BBC – Blagging Bl**dy Cretins.

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        • Big Dick says:

          That Naga M. is up in Manchester at the weekends , then is suddenly up at St. Andrews ,for a bit of golf , then back in London doing the bbc world/news 24 overnight service , must have a huge expense account ,for travelling, hotels etc , probably cos she ain`t hideously white .

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    • JimS says:

      But didn’t she collect her voluntary redundancy cheque recently?

      Out one door and back in another. I wonder what the new pay for the job is.

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    • Doublethinker says:

      One point that I think needs to be cleared up by the BBC, is whether or not Charlotte is receiving a BBC pension as well as being paid for reading the football results? A few years ago this was definitely a problem with the Inland Revenue. If she is receiving a pension and being paid for her new role, then surely this is just another job for the old boys and girls of the BBC and stinks.

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    • will.duncan says:

      Is it possibly because it will serve to alienate a section of society that they despise?

      And who on earth is that? If you went to a football match (I’ll be at Charlton) you’ll see lots of women. And non whites. And kids. and I assume gays.

      So who’s left?

      Ah men who have never broke their sexual duck…BiasedBBC trolls of course!

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      • johnnythefish says:

        So you will have had a visit from Leicester City then. Notice anything strangely out of kilter, demographically, about their away support?

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  11. Rtd Colonel says:

    Just heard on LBC that Stephen Fry has called on the PM to campaign to strip Russia of the Winter Olympics because of the treatment of LGBT people, the new laws passed outlawing promotion of homosexuality to under 18’s and Putin’s remarks that anyone breaking Russian laws will be prosecuted as though they were natives … one can argue about the merits of this but even if it weren’t only 6 months off it isn’t going to happen – The large elephant in the room here is of course the Football World Cup in Qatar in 2022 – plenty of time to influence stripping them of the event – after all homosexuality is illegal and harshly punished; so an even worse state of affairs than Russia – why so silent Stephen – surely the world cup is a far bigger opportunity to protest?

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    • Andrew says:

      Should the UK have been stripped of the London 2012 Olympics because of the failure of that country’s politicians, social services and police, over a decade or more, to protect young girls from organized sexual abuse?

         25 likes

    • Mat says:

      Sorry would that be the freedom loving Russian government that has just saved the U.S whistle-blower [traitor] the left lurve so much ?

         18 likes

      • lojolondon says:

        Yes, Obummer didn’t like that bit of ‘freedom’ so much, did he?

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        • Banquosghost says:

          I thought it was very, very funny. Putin says this week I shall annoy America by granting a temporary asylum to someone they don’t like. Obama cancels a visit and stamps his feet.

          I doubt the Russians would have done this if Americas current foreign policy and President were so weak.

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          • David Preiser (USA) says:

            Sadly, this is exactly the kind of world the Beeboids and the Left and The Obamessiah Himself dreamed about in 2008 and before: a much-weakened US which bows down to consensus and is merely a team role player following the lead of the mandarins in Brussels and Turtle Bay.

            It’s been the wet dream of nearly every Beeboid, and it’s not a good situation for the world to be in. So they can’t criticize now. Better to just pretend everything is fine and whistle past the graveyard.

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            • John Anderson says:

              Not bad for one week of foreign-affairs failure – Obama gets the finger from Putin (NOT the other way round) while the US is chased out of a couple of dozen countries in the Middle East by Al Q which Obama had told us was reduced to a rump outfit.

              Humiliation is being piled on humiliation for Obama – but still the sun shines out of his rear end according to the BBC crew.

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    • Ken Hall says:

      I would have thought that the homosexual community would love what Russia is doing with regards to homosexuals. At least there is a few places left in the world where people who naturally feel utterly repulsed by the mere idea of “homosexual love” have somewhere, where they are not oppressed for their 100% normal and natural feelings.

      Being homosexual is natural, as it occurs naturally in nature in many species including humans. However it is not normal, as it only occurs in less than 2% of people. Those people who are homosexual, do feel like they are normal, but clearly, they are mathematically abnormal.

      Why should the overwhelming majority who are not homosexual be forced to accept something that they may feel is repellant to them? At least Russia offers those people a warm and welcoming home where they are free to express their revulsion at the homosexual act, in peace, free from political oppression, unlike in the UK.

      I am not in any way, shape or form anti-gay. I am bisexual myself, but I believe that people who naturally feel homosexuality is a foul abomination, ARE entitled to their opinions, even if they are different from mine.

      The homosexual lobby are now going too far and trying to force acceptance of their form of sexual pleasure down the throats of people to the degree where people are wrongly being demonised and criminalised for their own natural feelings, simply for being sexually normal.

      I remember when homosexuals used to complain that their own natural feelings were being surpressed and it was not fair on them…

      Well live and let live.

         15 likes

      • Roland Deschain says:

        The homosexual lobby are now going too far and trying to force acceptance of their form of sexual pleasure down the throats of people…”

        Eurgh…. please, no.

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    • Phil Ford says:

      “…The large elephant in the room here is of course the Football World Cup in Qatar in 2022 – plenty of time to influence stripping them of the event – after all homosexuality is illegal and harshly punished; so an even worse state of affairs than Russia – why so silent Stephen?”

      Hmmm. Interesting point. As a gay man myself (although not a football fan in the least) I’ll be watching to see if the ubiquitous Mr Fry feels brave enough to speak out against the harsh anti-gay laws in Qatar. Somehow, I suspect any such criticism (if it comes at all) will be artfully wrapped in misdirection – Qatar will be said to have ‘social’ and ‘cultural’ issues around matters of sexuality, and all the weasel-worded liberal lefties will – like they always do – avoid spelling out the real facts for fear of ‘offending’ the delicate sensibilities of our Middle-Eastern ‘allies’: Islam, that ‘religion of peace’, is of course the actual problem. Isn’t it always?

      But nobody will be allowed (or be brave enough) to say it.

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      • johnnythefish says:

        Precisely. Leftie Top Trumps in action again – nothing trumps Islam, not even very basic gay rights.

        The hypocritical left in all its glory.

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      • Rtd Colonel says:

        Theo Van Gogh was a luvvie who spoke out didn’t he … oh see what you mean

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      • Andy S. says:

        Why would anyone want to know what that fatuous old bore Stephen Fry thinks anyway?

        I don’t think anyone from the degenerates who inhabit the cosseted world of “celebrity” has anything useful to teach us mere mortals about morals.

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  12. George R says:

    Nairobi, Kenya, 7 August.

    “Africa travel hit after fire ravages Nairobi airport”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-23604636

    No doubt the fire at Nairobi airport will have brought back shocking memories to the Kenyan people of another event of 7 August, 15 years earlier –

    ” Age Of Terror – War On The West ( Part 2 Of 6 )”

    By Peter Taylor.

    (10 min video clip).

    Something to remember in the West too.

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    • George R says:

      Speculation:-

      “Nairobi expects to resume airport traffic after fire controlled.

      “Kenyan authorities expect international, domestic passenger and cargo flights to resume Wednesday afternoon after the fire at the international arrivals hall of Jomo Kenyatta airport was brought under control. International flights were earlier redirected to neighboring countries. Speculation was rife of sabotage timed for the 15th anniversary of the Aug. 7, 1998 bombings by al Qaeda of the US embassies in Nairobi and Dar es-Salam. There is no confirmation of this. Four US embassies were closed in sub-Saharan Africa on Monday as a precaution.”

      http://www.debka.com/newsupdate/5272/

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  13. Andrew says:

    THEY CAN’T POSSIBLY MEAN US, CAN THEY ?
    ————————————————–

    From politics.co.uk (reference note on BiasedBBC).

    “Biased BBC … To some extent it is an attack blog. Its intended victim, obviously, the Beeb. Why? Because apparently the BBC is biased in favour of the Labour Party and left-wing politics in general.”

    “To be fair [sic] this has always been something the right has managed to sell to the public very well. That all [sic] media are really left-leaning, tree-hugging, gay-loving liberals and generally a bit soft.”

    “Unfortunately [for whom?] it’s a myth, but that doesn’t really matter because David Vance’s readers will no doubt agree with him and his politics …”

    Political Party: Conservatives [sic].

    Rating: 8/10.

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    • Guest Who says:

      Beyond a pretty fair critique (bar the all-inclusive presumptions noted above) I can applaud them for one more thing:
      ‘Fill in your details to receive Politics.co.uk’s brand of informed, in-depth and independent [we write it so it must be true] coverage of Westminster to your inbox
      Choice.
      http://www.politics.co.uk/reference/biased-bbc

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      Conservatives? Might have been true once but I think general contempt for all the mainstream parties is the majority view here now.

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  14. Sir Arthur Strebe-Grebling says:

    The bBBC churnalists have wrung every last drop out of today’s ‘racism’ story, so now it’s time for them to turn to another two of their favourite subjects: homosexuality and Stephen Fry.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23603870
    The boring luvvie has belatedly decided that he doesn’t like the Winter Olympics being held in Russia because it is illegal to indoctrinate Russian youngsters in sexual perversions. With grandiose hyperbole, he compares the situation to the decision to hold the 1936 games in Nazi Germany.

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    • AsISeeIt says:

      I would have thought Fry would been well up for a bit of Ruskie uphill skiing.

      Anyway, it seems that St Stephen the Great of Twitterland’s word is not always absolute Gospel to the Beeboids….

      Stephen FryVerified account ‏@stephenfry
      As if we needed more proof that the BBC has lost the f-ing plot. He’s supposed to bloody regenerate not be on a naff children’s show #DrWho

      Richard Bacon on his ‘let’s chat about the telly on the radio’ show yesterday was most put out that one of his bit Left-toe heros had gone off message.

      ‘I didn’t want to talk about that’, Bacon snapped at his TV reviewer guests who had the temerity to bring up the subject.

      The BBC: Gay friendly, but they don’t like it up ’em

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    • Roland Deschain says:

      The story came up on Today this morning, with Evan Davis interviewing an ice skater so camp that he nearly turned my car radio pink.

      At one point, Evan referred to the Russian law as “bigoted”. Whether you agree with the law or not, it was not the place of a supposedly impartial BBC interviewer to consider support for such a law bigoted, just because he disagrees with it.

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  15. George R says:

    “BBC paid chat-show host Graham Norton staggering £2.61million last year as one of 14 stars earning more than £500,000 a year.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2386319/BBC-paid-chat-host-Graham-Norton-staggering-2-61million-14-stars-earning-500-000-year.html

       13 likes

    • Rtd Colonel says:

      By the accounts of his former lover that would barely keep him in wine!

         14 likes

    • The Beebinator says:

      i wish scott was a happy gay like graham norton

         10 likes

    • David Brims says:

      Graham Norton, a vulgar, depraved, sewer, no wit, no charm, no class, that’s what goes for light entertainment these days.

         16 likes

      • David Brims says:

        The audience of Eloi student slackers clap like performing seals and squeal in delight when Graham Norton says the F word, yeah, real classy.

        From the British Empire to the dung heap in less than 50 years, makes you weep.

           34 likes

      • Rtd Colonel says:

        Bring back Jimmy Saville, Jonathan King, and Stuart Hall (and possibly (please no..) Rolf.

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  16. johnnythefish says:

    Excellent website, excellent article and information about fracking from a geophysicist’s viewpoint. This guy was included in a 5 Live Drive discussion (linked in the article) on the topic and allowed to make some very good points:

    http://frackland.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/talking-about-balcombe-on-5live-and-is.html

    It is often that sense of an unknown danger that provokes feelings of dread. It was initially used to describe feelings towards nuclear power, but I think it applies equally to things like flying (for some people), but especially GM food, and now fracking.

    Quoting the interviewee, fracking is ‘messing with subterranean geology’, and ‘we cannot legislate for the vagaries of subterranean geology, it’s such a human arrogance’.

    The author’s view, later in the article:

    ‘Much of human endeavor has been based on ‘messing with subterranean geology’. During fracking, we can use geophysical methods to monitor exactly where the induced fractures have gone, and to ensure that they are wholly contained within the targeted shale beds. As geologists, we have to accept that the public are unlikely to fully understand what we do. However, shale gas extraction is not an uncontrolled, poorly understood process. To claim that it is is to do insult to the thousands, or millions, of geologists around the world who do this kind of thing, successfully, every day.’

    This is the level of debate we need on the BBC if it is to claim an ‘informative’ role in the governance of this country. Scientists, in other words, discussing the facts of the process, not environmentalists emoting about it.

    Lets see if we get it.

       29 likes

    • Seek the Truth says:

      It really bugs me when the media talk about fracking in the UK as though it’s something completely new. Fracking has been going on in the UK, in places like Newbury, Berkshire, for example, for at least twenty five years. I know because my husband worked in the oil industry. If the media was more honest, it would be investigating and finding out the true facts, and letting the public know that fracking causes no threat of earthquakes, water contamination, or anything else the protesters are panicking about.

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      • Phil Ford says:

        “…or anything else the protesters are panicking about.”

        I doubt they are panicking about anything – but they are objecting to just about everything. That’s how these militant greens in particular operate; on a very surface-level basis, they have a reason-free Pavlovian response to anything even mildly suggestive of ‘fossil fuels’; it brings them out in dreadlocks, balaclavas and placards.

        I definitely agree that the BBC in particular don’t seem even remotely interested in a sensible, reasoned, factual debate about fracking – I’m very much afraid they’d much prefer to go chasing about the Home Counties in search of Angry Protestors™ to plaster all over the TV news.

        Such is the parlous state of ‘factual reporting’ on the consistently p*sspoor BBC News channels.

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  17. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Another one for the “Imagine the Derisive Beeboid Tweets and On-Air Sneers If Bush/Palin Had Said This” file:

    Social media uproar: Obama refers to Winter Olympics’ gymnastics, swimming

    Russia President Vladimir Putin and Russia “have a big stake in making sure the Olympics work, and I think they understand that for most of the countries that participate in the Olympics, we won’t tolerate gays and lesbians being treated differently,” Mr. Obama said, Breitbart reported. “They’re athletes, they’re there to compete. And if Russia wants to uphold the Olympic spirit, then every judgment should be made on the track, or in the swimming pool, or on the balance beam, and people’s sexual orientation shouldn’t have anything to do with it.”

    This is regarding the Winter games. No teleprompter = no clue.

       28 likes

    • The Beebinator says:

      biasedbbc will be offering all users of the site a 2 week all inclusive holiday to bongo bongo land if al beeb report this

         20 likes

      • Buggy says:

        I don’t want to go to Bongo Bongo Land. Can my ticket be made out for “Bunga Bunga Land”, please ?

        Many thanks.

           16 likes

        • The Beebinator says:

          certainly. ive booked you into a room with stephanie flanders. i believe she likes good ‘ed at them parties. have fun

             9 likes

    • Rtd Colonel says:

      but shit, the apres ski party sounds bloody good!

         5 likes

  18. will says:

    Not bias, but, for me, a smile. David Shukman reports on the how many £ billions ( not mentioned) being spent on the construction of fusion reactor (is it being built before it can be proven to work? – not mentioned). He emphasises the complexity of the construction process but the film report concludes with the high tech image of a man with a sledge hammer.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23408073

       7 likes

    • Alan Larocka says:

      No protestors lying down in the access road?

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      • Phil Ford says:

        It’s going to be interesting watching greens come to terms with the realities of Nuclear, Thorium, Fission, etc. They can’t reasonably object on ‘CO2′ grounds since these forms of energy are amongst the cleanest available in terms of meeting so-called ’emissions’.

        Sure, there are still problems around waste disposal (I say blast it all into the sun), and building new plants is unimaginably expensive, but if we’re looking for reliable, secure high-capacity energy going forward which also happens to be gentle on the environment…you can see the emerging dilemma the greens are facing.

        France generates 80% of its domestic supply via nuclear. And this, from a nation wedded and bedded to the pro-CAGW EU project!

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  19. thoughtful says:

    absolutely disgraceful report on North West tonight, concerning leftie Dave visiting a mosque, apparently in the wake of a backlash against Moslems in the region.
    Unfortunately the lying b**** were only able to find one example where one man had his car vandalised while at the Mosque, the implication being that it was some ‘waycist’ but without any evidence.

    Various Moslems were then invited to criticise leftie Dave for not supporting their imaginary victimhood in the days after the murder of Lee Rigby. At no point was any of them challenged nor were the views of any white or non Moslems sought.

    Often I would find the BBC biased in their reporting, but I’ve never seen such open & blatant lies in the cause of supporting their brown eyed boys. I’d complain but I know they haven’t any compunction about lying in those responses.

       38 likes

    • George R says:

      Of all the Beeboid regions, it seems that North West is among the most Islam-compliant, although there are several other regional contenders.

      Yes, why didn’t a North West Beeboid ask a moaning Muslim why two Muslims had driven a car onto the pavement and run over a British soldier, stabbed him to death, beheaded him and then one of then gave a speech extolling the wonders of jihad killing?

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      • Ken Hall says:

        The BBC doesn’t need to because, in the minds of the BBC traitors, (who will also be executed by the Islamic’s once they have bred themselves into the majority and invoked Sharia law everywhere, got into government and then executed the homosexuals in the BBC), Those two murderers were NOT muslims, nor were they representing Islam.

        As I recall I was being vilified and attacked online that day by muslims for my daring to state that the murderers acted in the name of Islam, before the facts were known. I posted at 4:00pm a series of statements based on witness accounts. The Islamics called me all sorts of names and accused me of jumping to conclusions, claiming that these murders could not possibly be done in the name of Islam… Well, when it became clear that the murderers themselves certainly and undeniably beleived that they themselves WERE acting in the name of Islam, I never received a single apology from anyone who accused me of racist bigotry, merely for stating facts.

        I never heard any condemnation of these attacks from the “Islamic community” until much later in the evening. Most of the news was filled with how awful the EDL were for condemning this crime. The Islamic community did not really get together in condemnation of them until the next day, and only then it appeared to be a token gesture, aimed at allowing the BBC cover to move on from any criticism of Islamic extremism, to attack those who condemned the brutal murder.

        It is a tragedy that people in this country condemn those who merely condemn violent extremism, more than they condemn the violent extremists themselves.

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    • johnnythefish says:

      I saw the trailer for this, Thoughtful, at the beginning of the 10 o’ clock news: (paraphrased) ‘David Cameron visits a mosque in the North West…..but is the Prime Minister doing enough for community cohesion?’ – strangely a question you never hear the BBC ask of certain ‘community leaders’, or those bearded chappies with the funny hats and long flowing robes who tend to hang around a lot outside mosques.

      Yes folks, in BBC-land the tail wags the dog, the mountain must come to Mohammed (see what I did there).

      Decided to take my cocoa up to bed well before the end of the national news – and I felt the better for having missed yet another piece of the BBC’s propagandist, England-trashing shite.

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  20. #88 says:

    Today has been as bad a day as I can remember for those who value our freedoms.

    Over on the Bongo Bongo thread we have a 25 year old left wing activist, a cultural Marxist touring our schools an studios telling us what we can and cannot say.

    And in the other big story; throughout the day the BBC have been deliberately conflating the trials of the Asian rape and trafficking gangs with the story of the 13 year old who was described as sexually predatory.

    Cue the usual outrage from the usual suspects who repeat throughout the day, on all of the BBC platforms without challenge, that ‘a thirteen year old ‘victim’ cannot be complicit in its own abuse (end of)’. Others kick off (including VD) about these victims having to give evidence and suffer at the hands of Barristers in court.

    The BBC’s new found interest in the Liverpool / Oxford / Telford / Rotherham rape trials is synthetic, it’s purpose to attack this new case, the Judge, Counsel and of course the defendant – seeking to have his sentence reviewed, have him banged up rather than his suspended sentence.

    What the BBC, obtuse as ever, have failed to mention is that the man pleaded guilty, the ‘victim’ who did not make a complaint against him, did not appear in court. We and the BBC know nothing of the circumstances and why the PROSECUTOR said that the girl was predatory, his or her background.

    Yes, the man concerned deserved to be convicted. But he is entitled in his defence to tell the court about any mitigating factors. It is not for the BBC, politicians , left wing pressure groups and feminists to pile in and say what is or is not admissible in court and who should go to prison. That is a very dangerous road.

    I can tell you quite clearly from what I have seen in my wife’s family, thirteen year olds can be promiscuous and predatory, whether the left like it or not. What happened today was an abuse of our legal system.

    Today, with the help of the BBC Britain took another step along the road to being a Thought-Police State

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    • johnnythefish says:

      ‘Cue the usual outrage from the usual suspects who repeat throughout the day, on all of the BBC platforms without challenge, that ‘a thirteen year old ‘victim’ cannot be complicit in its own abuse (end of)’

      And I would guess that these are the usual ‘caring’ suspects who have previously told us (yes, on the BBC) that it is perfectly reasonable for these ‘young people’ to be prescribed with the pill or any other form of contraception without their parents’ knowledge.

      The Left – crass hypocrisy in action.

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    • Deborah says:

      Part of the screams yesterday on the BBC were the oft repeated that the girl was ‘sexually experienced’. Well perhaps I am missing something and I am quite willing to be corrected, but in my eyes that is a statement of fact – or a downright lie. If the girl was sexually experienced then she was. The BBC and the trail of people they brought on to their various stations may not like it and it is no excuse for a 41 year old to add to the number. But a fact is a fact and it is wrong that the thought police can stop truth being spoken.

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      • #88 says:

        I agree entirely and that is the most worrying thing.

        Our legal system demands that advocates bring to the court any known information that is material to the case. This is what the prosecution (not the defence) did. To withhold such information would constitute a miscarriage of justice and would hold the advocate open to the threat of disciplinary action.

        This is what is required by our system of justice and what I find so wrong about the outrage. But of course the hard left know all about show trials – they’ve just convicted a dead man in Russia.

        It is even more worrying that the BBC this morning are still conflating this case with that of the Asian rape gangs.

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  21. David Preiser (USA) says:

    More from the Dept. of “Imagine the Derisive Beeboid Tweets and On-Air Sneers If Bush/Palin Had Said This”:

    Did You Catch the President’s U.S. Geography Fail on Leno Tuesday?


    Tuesday night, President Obama made headlines during his appearance on “The Tonight Show With Jay Leno,” one of his numerous appearances over the years (back in 2009, he was the first sitting president to appear on the show). The President talked with Jay about a myriad of topics such as the NSA (he says that we don’t have a domestic spying program), the threat from Al Qaeda, and Trayvon Martin. However, it was when the discussion turned to infrastructure that the president failed on some fairly basic American geography — and it’s not getting much attention.

    How did he screw up? A clip from the official transcript of the interview — sent out by the White House* — says it all:

    LENO: You mentioned infrastructure. Why is that a partisan issue? I live in a town, the bridge is falling apart, it’s not safe. How does that become Republican or Democrat? How do you not just fix the bridge? (Laughter and applause.)

    THE PRESIDENT: I don’t know. As you know, for the last three years, I’ve said, let’s work together. Let’s find a financing mechanism and let’s go ahead and fix our bridges, fix our roads, sewer systems, our ports. [You know], the Panama [Canal] is being widened so that these big supertankers can come in. Now, that will be finished in 2015. If we don’t deepen our ports all along the Gulf — places like Charleston, South Carolina, or Savannah, Georgia, or Jacksonville, Florida — if we don’t do that, those ships are going to go someplace else. And we’ll lose jobs. Businesses won’t locate here.

    The president was talking about deepening our ports along the Gulf, and yet he only referenced cities along the Atlantic Ocean coastline.

    Defenders of the indefensible will pretend this isn’t real because it’s a link to The Blaze.

    Leno, btw, has been making fun of The Obamessiah for months now – to generally healthy applause – which is why NBC is done with him, and why the President was on a late-night talk show with a mostly older, white audience ( a show which routinely spanks the Leftier, bien pensant competition in its time slot) while 19 of our diplomatic outposts have been shut down due to some Al Qaeda conference call, super-coincidentally right after we found out there were a bunch of CIA boots on the ground in Benghazi not helping out when the nearby consulate was being attacked, while the temporary boss of Egypt has called Him out for basically being a tool, and Putin smacked Him over the head with Snowden right before an important meeting. Which is now cancelled.

    BBC: Republican intransigence…..Right-wing extremist literature was wot done it……Has Martin Luther King’s famous speech been important to you…..ZZZzzzzz

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  22. OldBloke says:

    #88 to quote: “I can tell you quite clearly from what I have seen in my wife’s family, thirteen year olds can be promiscuous and predatory, whether the left like it or not”.
    I agree wholeheartedly. My girlfriends thirteen year old daughter was very promiscuous and predatory and it lead to many a heated discussion that it was I that was being sexually harassed by this thirteen year old. Believe me, it caused a lot of undue pressure within the family unit. Thankfully, I had sufficient will power and experience of working with young women to step aside from the attention. Unfortunately, some do not have that experience to do so. Just who was the victim here? Once again, the BBC, judge, jury and hangman.

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  23. Thoughtful says:

    BBC still banging on about bongo bongo land and whether it’s racist. If you have to find some raving leftie then the screamingly obvious conclusion is that it isn’t.

    That’s always giving the left the benefit of the doubt that ‘racism’ as a concept does actually exist !

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  24. AsISeeIt says:

    I used to carry the burdon of a big secret. My friends, work mates and even closest family had no idea that there was a hidden aspect to my personality.

    Was it shame, fear of what others might think… what pressure was it that kept me from speaking out my truth?

    At last I could bear it no longer – one wonderful day I simply blurted it out – I can’t stand the Paralympics! I can’t help it – that’s how I feel – it makes me cringe. You may like it, the BBC may love it, most people may like it (although I doubt that) – but I don’t.

    Oh no, please BBC, don’t promote this…..

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-ouch-23601533

    ‘Getting bigger: A view from the World Dwarf Games’

    ‘The sixth World Dwarf Games is is taking place in the US state of Michigan. Simon Minty – who has restricted growth – has travelled 4,000 miles to attend.’

    ‘Here at the Games you can see, or compete in, more than 20 events. One of my favourites is the physically demanding basketball. It’s played at a furious pace and the hoop remains – challengingly – at the standard height. ‘

    Oh dear. I don’t think I could keep a strait face. Mind you, I may not be alone. Some of the comments seem a little less that completely serious…..

    ‘Surprised the BBC didn’t provide full coverage and went hell bent on convincing everyone its just as relevant as those un-PC athletes who compete with perfectly abled bodies. Love to watch the football though… ‘

    ‘Would love to watch these little guys play rugby 7s. I actually think that some sports would be better spectator sports in dwarf version. The football looked great!’

    ‘Yes, we used to have dwarf throwing in our area. Everyone used to enjoy it and it was fun until the “ban it all” brigades got hold of it and deemed it “politically incorrect”.’

    ‘The Editors who supply these forums are up to mischief, they know that some contributors will be unable not to add a few quips such as ”six out of seven competitors are not happy”. They also know that this will lead to an overblown sense of moral outrage and the forum equivalent of a mass brawl. I hope your happy with yourselves>’

       20 likes

    • Roland Deschain says:

      You can call them dwarves now? I thought that was un-PC, and one had to call them Persons Of Restricted Growth. Hey, it’s on the BBC so it must be OK.

      How is one to keep up with what is and is not permissible to say? Is there a list available for download to my Kindle? Perhaps it’s protected under FOI. No wonder people land up saying such awful things as “Bongo Bongo” when the goalposts keep shifting.

         8 likes

      • Roland Deschain says:

        I made a comment in the same vein over at the BBC. Guess what:

        61.You
        11 Minutes ago
        Your comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

        Humourless fuckers.

           11 likes

        • Roland Deschain says:

          OK. Here’s what I said:

          “55.Gammarus
          I didn’t think it was acceptable to say “dwarf” nowadays, but “porg” instead?”

          I thought that too. Maybe OK when quoting official title? How do we keep up with what’s right and what’s wrong? You can see how an unsuspecting soul might inadvertently utter the phrase Bongo Bongo if not in possession of the List of Acceptable Words. Is the BBC’s copy of this list available under FOI?

          And here’s their reasoning:

          Dear BBC Visitor,

          Thank you for contributing to the BBC web site. Unfortunately we’ve had to remove the content below because it contravened one of our House Rules.

          Your comment was considered to have broken the following House Rule:

          “We reserve the right to fail comments which…

          Are considered likely to disrupt, provoke, attack or offend others

          Are racist, sexist, homophobic, sexually explicit, abusive or otherwise objectionable

          Contain swear words or other language likely to offend”

          I can only think “Bongo Bongo” is what did it. Even although they’ve used it all over their website and programmes for the past 24 hours.

             13 likes

          • Guest Who says:

            ‘I can only think “Bongo Bongo” is what did it. ‘
            You can always appeal, if you have the time and will to live. Given the sheer spread of possibles they will hide behind semantics and then decide they were right all along. By which time it will be closed anyway.
            Always a laugh.
            Meanwhile I wonder what views are on this of those here who push the notion of the BBC’s mature, professional and fair attitude to moderation/censorship vs. the one they don’t like on this forum.

               13 likes

            • Roland Deschain says:

              I have appealed. And of course, despite providing my email address, have not received a copy of what I said. Kicking myself for not taking a copy first, because I should have known that would happen and now have no record. Probably no reply either.

              Not that I expect any joy, but the more people who take up their time by appealing, the more they might stop to think. Or, more likely, farm any discussions out to Facebook where nothing nasty ever gets through. Oh no.

                 9 likes

              • Guest Who says:

                Shame about the copy.
                Now second nature to me, especially dealing with the BBC.
                It’s is amazing what they can ‘lose’ internally.
                Makes it great fun to help ’em out with text or page grabs they say never existed.
                That’s when they get grumpy.
                ‘Not that I expect any joy, but the more people who take up their time by appealing, the more they might stop to think.
                Joy? no. Thinking? No.
                Banning… be prepared.
                It’s the mature, professional way they respond to being shown up as a unaccountable propaganda system backed by absolute censorship.
                Oh, and limitless, unique, funding for attrition-based denial of service attempts before the take their ball away.

                   5 likes

      • Leha says:

        Dwarves are little stocky guys with long hair, armour and axes, midgets are what your thinking about.

           8 likes

        • Stewart says:

          Aren’t you thinking of nibelungen? (or is that underwater breathing equipment?)

             1 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      The top comment’s a peach…
      45. Pete
      2 HOURS AGO
      43.
      Baron Brick
      1 Minute ago

      “Getting bigger: A view from the World Dwarf Games”

      How is the pun in the headline any less offensive than the harmless jokes removed by the bbc Gestapo? Hmmm?”

      Quite right , the mod seems very short. On humour that is

      See how long it lasts.
      The least liked are interesting too for how few have made the cut.
      It’s almost like they want total control of the message.
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/leveson-inquiry/9963263/The-truth-about-Hacked-Offs-media-coup.html
      ‘…newspapers to be forced to reflect “a fair selection of the day’s events”; a regulator, in other words, would decide what stories they covered.
      …how the “public good” or the “public interest” as defined by a press regulator, should override freedom of expression….
      …a sort of coup, by people even more unaccountable and unrepresentative than the average newspaper owner.’

      Shame it has no comments enabled itself.
      And in other ‘news’, this from Guido:

      “we should have just gone to the canteen and asked staff here for a quote”. A trick the Beeb could try too.”
      http://order-order.com/2013/08/08/zero-sense-of-irony-at-the-guardian/
      I wonder if BBC staff tell other BBC staff they only ask questions, and don’t ever get asked?

         6 likes

    • Banquosghost says:

      I cant think of the Paralympics without Monty Pythons ‘100 meter swim for people with no sense of direction’ coming to mind

      That and the fact that the whole thing looks like a Peter Greenaway movie. (last quote courtesy of the daily mash)

         6 likes

  25. AsISeeIt says:

    “In our region, a sore has afflicted the body of the Islamic world for many years, in the shadow of the occupation of the holy land of Palestine and dear Jerusalem, and this day is in fact a reminder of the fact that Muslim people will not forgot their historic right, and will continue to stand up against aggression and tyranny” Hassan Rouhani at the annual “Quds (Jerusalem) Day” rally in Tehran.

    But don’t worry. The new Iranian President is really a moderate – the BBC says so.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-23579362

       12 likes

    • Mark says:

      The kingdoms of Israel (and Judah) existed more than a thousand years before the birth of Mohammed.

         16 likes

    • johnnythefish says:

      The BBC’s Year Zero was established with the birth of Mohammed.

      The early history of Islam then gets a bit hazy until The Crusades.

         11 likes

      • John Anderson says:

        Jerusalem mentioned 600 times in the Bible, nil in the Koran.

           11 likes

        • David Preiser (USA) says:

          The “farthest mosque” is mentioned in the Hadith, though. All because of that dream Mohammedan supposedly had. Yet while Mark Mardell and the Beeboids sneer at Mormons for their beliefs, there is no questioning this one. They’re always happy to point out that it’s the third-holiest place in Islam.

             6 likes

          • John Anderson says:

            Yes there is reference to “the farthest mosque”. But no real definition of where it was.

            If it had been Jerusalem – surely that name would have been mentioned, and mention made of this link to the Abrahamic faith.

            IMHO it is mere supposition that the “farthest mosque” in the ridiculous dream sequence was indeed Jerusalem. Just because the Muslims created the “Al Asqa” mosque on Temple Mount when they finally conquered Jerusalem does not mean a thing.

            Ergo – Islam has nil real claim to regard Jerusalem as Holy City in the sense that it is a Holy City to both Judaism and Christianity.

               5 likes

  26. AsISeeIt says:

    Michael Buchanan is a BBC Radio 4 PM Show reporter

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/news/pm/reporters_michaelbuchanan.shtml

    He is also yet another of those tiresomely predictable Twitter-using, Left-of-centre, 1980s-alternative-comedy-wannabe, nur-nur nur-nur-nur, love-me-love-me I’m a Lefty – oh look what a good progessive person I am folks!

    Michael Buchanan ‏@BBCMBuchanan 16h
    Wife missed the name of the guy making the bongo bongo land comment and assumed it was a clip from the new Alan Partridge film #AlphaPapa

       9 likes

    • Roland Deschain says:

      If I were on Twitter I’d be helpful and tell him it was Jeremy Clarkson, on the BBC Top Gear page.

         10 likes

  27. Thoughtful says:

    BBC Proms

    Tonight with Nigel Kennedy the Palestine Strings.

    So this awful place we are constantly shown on TV is not filled with oppressed people throwing stones at fully armed soldiers, it actually has a full concert orchestra.

    Sometimes the PC BBC show its coverage to have major bias because it can’t help giving away its lies in the promotion of organisations which according to its reports shouldn’t actually exist.

    http://ncm.birzeit.edu/overview.html

       9 likes

    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      I heard Kennedy talking about this with Sean Rafferty on Radio 3 yesterday. Kennedy was proud about how “historic” it was to feature a Palestinian orchestra. We learned of his favorite “monster” in the group as well.

      Last year featured Barenboim’s mixed-race orchestra combining Palestinians with Israelis. It was barely adequate, and Barenboim’s overly-mannered interpretations didn’t help.

      Musical quality is second to politics. I don’t give a flying F-sharp about who or what is performing. I care about the art form itself. I know the music world, like the art world in general, leans extremely Leftward on most things. It comes with the territory of being based on emotions and feelings. But I don’t care to subjugate the art form to a political cause.

      This will be the second year in a row the Proms features suboptimal performances simply to make a political statement. Sure, plenty of bien pensants will feel good about the Palestinians’ appearance, and those good feelings will be made to justify the entire enterprise. One doesn’t see half-rate pro-am stuff hung alongside showings of masterworks in art galleries just to be “historic”. It’s only the Four Seasons, not the most challenging – for the orchestra – thing in the world, and they’ll probably do fine if he can get some dynamic shading going and space between the notes to keep the music on its toes, but let’s be honest: this won’t be about the music or the quality of the performance. First and foremost, this is a political statement. Is this really what the Proms is meant to be about?

      I’m sure there will be plenty of obligatory critical acclaim for Kennedy’s jaunt, just like there was last year for Barenboim’s performances. (Although just like last year, most of it will probably be gushing over the political subtext with a quickly whispered admission that the reviewer has heard better.) I don’t care. I’ve been trained and paid at various times in my life to be a Classical Music performer, composer, critic, and record producer, and my opinion is based on the music, not on any ulterior motives of my own or of the performers/producers. If they make a great performance, I’ll like it. If they don’t, I won’t. And nobody should expect me to like it for any reasons other than what happens on stage. The Thought Police should stay out of the performing arts.

         9 likes

      • Deborah says:

        I am assuming the Palestinian orchestra is to show balance with the Israeli phil whose performance was spoiled by demonstrators a couple of years ago.

           4 likes

        • David Preiser (USA) says:

          Well, I figure it’s really just that they’re happy to have Nigel Kennedy back, period, and he’s the one bringing the historic occasion, not the BBC. But as you say, it’s all balanced now, with the Israeli Phil, plus last year’s East-West mixed-race orchestra, plus this Palestinian (and Polish) band.

          But two out of the three exist purely for political reasons, not musical ones.

             0 likes

  28. AsISeeIt says:

    Michael Buchanan – BBC Social Affairs Correspondent or politically motivated extreme Left comment enabler?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21884615

    ‘An official report on the government’s main welfare to work initiative, the Work Programme, has highlighted significant problems with the scheme. ‘

    Official reports are all well and good but some time ago the BBC decided that so to spice up their broadcast reports what was most needed was comment from ‘ordinary’ people.

    So what opinions has Michael Buchanan being soliciting for us? I ask because he has been soliciting – on Twitter of course….

    Michael Buchanan ‏@BBCMBuchanan 25 Jun
    @DerLetzteZeuge hi keen to talk to you about your work programme exp. If you’re happy to talk pls email me a no michael.buchanan@bbc.co.uk

    Michael Buchanan ‏@BBCMBuchanan 26 Jun
    @DerLetzteZeuge thanks for the info, v helpful. Are you willing to do a short interview?

    So who is this work programme guy that our Michael is so keen to speak to?

    Well, what does his Twitter look like? Does he give the impression of being a keen hard working young man eager to get on in life?

    ‏@DerLetzteZeuge 8h
    @Number10gov @DHgovuk You make me sick @David_Cameron You cheaky two faced fat fucker.. Lol..

    ICR ‏@DerLetzteZeuge 8h
    @Number10gov @DHgovuk and how much have you scammed for the rich in the process your dirty robbin bastard.. pic.twitter.com/DBLdQ8B9C1

    ICR ‏@DerLetzteZeuge 13h
    @David_Cameron David already has a damn good burkha, he’s covering everything up ! Lol.. Anyway Eid Mubarak..

    ICR ‏@DerLetzteZeuge 13h
    @David_Cameron getting a little premature there David, not the first time though right.. Lol.. Have you tried Viagra for that
    Dave.. Lol..

    ICR ‏@DerLetzteZeuge 15h
    @David_Cameron @SayeedaWarsi @TheBigIftar unlike you who shits on everyone.. Covering it up as you go.. Where are your standards eh David..

    ICR ‏@DerLetzteZeuge 15h
    @David_Cameron @SayeedaWarsi @TheBigIftar least they have more morals than you David.. They’re not even aloud to shit in a certain direction

    ICR ‏@DerLetzteZeuge 15h
    @David_Cameron @SayeedaWarsi @TheBigIftar It’ll be the British people making like it’s 1960 again, I’m sure you’d love that..

    ICR ‏@DerLetzteZeuge 15h
    @David_Cameron @SayeedaWarsi @TheBigIftar It’ll all blow up in your face !! And not because of radical jihadists either..

    ICR ‏@DerLetzteZeuge 15h
    @David_Cameron @SayeedaWarsi @TheBigIftar The only big If you should be concerned with is if you don’t sort out this country..

    ICR ‏@DerLetzteZeuge 6 Aug
    @SanctionSabs @David_Cameron bet his pockets would pay out like one armed bandit if that actually happened for real.. Lol..

    ICR ‏@DerLetzteZeuge 6 Aug
    @SanctionSabs @David_Cameron ‘I never slapped him in the face officer, I only slapped his stomach and it rippled upwards’ lol..

    ICR ‏@DerLetzteZeuge 6 Aug
    @SanctionSabs @David_Cameron how about we have a fat tax eh David ? Lol.. You jelly bellied gimp.. ‘Slaps your stomach n watches it ripple’

    ICR ‏@DerLetzteZeuge 6 Aug
    @SanctionSabs @David_Cameron would bring back the workhouse and have slaves if he could get away with it, the toffee nosed fat fucker !!

    ICR ‏@DerLetzteZeuge 6 Aug
    @SanctionSabs he’s changed it to sneaky, underhanded and two faced @David_Cameron you are the sick society, you venomous little rich twat !

    ICR ‏@DerLetzteZeuge 6 Aug
    SanctionSabs Social cleansing has changed over the years, it was just said and done before that was that.. @David_Cameron has changed that

    ICR ‏@DerLetzteZeuge 6 Aug
    @David_Cameron although if it wasn’t for you we wouldn’t need these either.. It’s all your fault David.. Fucking Idiot !!

    ICR ‏@DerLetzteZeuge 6 Aug
    @David_Cameron Are you happy I’m wasting government money David because I’m not.. What I’m wasting could be added to the foodbank budget !

    ICR ‏@DerLetzteZeuge 6 Aug
    @David_Cameron Most of my current group don’t need help.. According to my advisor I need help with my English because I got a D 25 year ago

    ICR ‏@DerLetzteZeuge 6 Aug
    @David_Cameron Your delivering the unemployed to be patronized by organisations which keep advisors in work.. Protecting your own..

    ICR ‏@DerLetzteZeuge 6 Aug
    @PawzNclaws @David_Cameron Fucking ey ! About time more people said it like that.. Nice one Linda..

    Well, you get the general drift of where this youngster is coming from. If you were an employer would consider offering him a job?

    Funny thing is that he comes over just like one of those horrible Twitter trolls the BBC has been warning me about recently.

       18 likes

    • Roland Deschain says:

      Excellent spot. I wonder what it was about this chap that brought him to the BBC’s attention?

         11 likes

    • Guest Who says:

      There’s the views they want, and the views they don’t.
      Interesting what goes into getting the former.
      And, thanks to James, even more interesting that they don’t need to explain what lies behind ensuring the latter never sees the light of day.
      Uniquely.

         4 likes

    • johnnythefish says:

      So was Buchanan too lazy to read this dork’s twitter account – or even too lazy to get his researcher to read it for him – to get a feel for what he’s like, or did he read it and like what he saw.

      Either way, factually speaking, it does not show the BBC in a positive light.

         11 likes

    • #88 says:

      Perhaps if this tw*t put his twitter account down and started looking, he’d find a job.

      Not that he’d be someone that I’d want to employ

         7 likes

    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      The Beeboid was keen to talk to someone who expresses himself like that? Charming.

      Is he a youngster, though? Maybe his English really is bad because it reads like he got a D 25 years ago.

         6 likes

  29. DYKEVISIONS says:

    Another thoroughly depressing story from Florida which for some reason I cannot find on the US and Canada section of the BBC news site….

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/07/florida-school-bus-beatdown-goes-unnoticed-by-self-styled-civil-rights/

    Where is Obamamessiah?

    Predictable radio silence from the BBC.

       14 likes

    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Mainstream US media is censoring the story as well, so the BBC is in the clear. The BBC needs only mirror what their US colleagues do. Delivering Quality First.

         9 likes

  30. Mikey the Innocent says:

    Anyone catch the story about the 2 teenage British girls in Zanzibar who had acid thrown on them?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23611840

    The article as usual does everything it can to distance the crime from Islaaaam. Well, I’d bet my house on the fact that this stupid, ignorant, cruel deed was perpetrated by Muslims who are too pure to allow the sight of happy, pretty, positive Western girls walking the streets without niqabs or hejabs.

    And what were these kids doing in Zanzibar? Charity work, that’s what.

    Personally I think we should suspend all charity work from al Islamic countries. Let them enjoy their holy, sanctimonious poverty.

       30 likes

    • hadda says:

      ” I think we should suspend all charity work from al Islamic countries.”

      I beg to make an exception for the Barnabas Fund and similar organisations.

         5 likes

  31. noggin says:

    two girls 18 british, charity workers, acid attacked Zanzibar
    hmmm,
    “Zanzibar: Islamist hotbed of hate, Worthy Christian News
    “African Jihad Gathers Pace: Muslims Burn Down Zanzibar Church!
    IRIN Africa | TANZANIA: Islamist riots threaten Zanzibar’s stability
    “Extremism” on the Rise in Zanzibar–Thanks to Saudi Money Intelligence Analysis:
    jihadist influences in Tanzania – Max Security
    oops, Jihad warnings for Zanzibar – Anglican Ink
    double oops, Jihad fears for Zanzibar – The Church of England Newspaper
    triple oops, Zanzibar: Muslim attacks against Christians increasing expedentially
    quadruple oops, Zanzibar Jihad: Muslims Kidnap, Force Young Christian girls to convert
    etc etc etc …

    BBC, 5live panto campbell, cosy chat about cultural differences, the traditional influences etc … hilariously … has a propensity to happen because of tourism???? ,
    on and on the excusery drone goes. … on comes a Zanzibarian police commissioner :-D, its common on some? … young girls? … but theres no no religious element?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23611840
    Brit women attacked Zanzibar

    BBC news slips in this flanker
    “Recent attacks in Zanzibar include an acid attack on a MUSLIM CLERIC? in November??, and the shooting dead of a Catholic priest in February. Another priest was shot and wounded in December …
    hmm can we assume that muslims are no 1 victims in Zanzibar then? … well?

       13 likes

    • David Brims says:

      ” Two British.”

      Could mean anything, Pakistan muslim, Nigerian, etc etc.

         3 likes

      • hadda says:

        Not in this case.

           4 likes

        • Leha says:

          as yet, the motif is unknown, lol.

             4 likes

          • hadda says:

            Funny how the Telegraph updates with more details regularly, yet the Beeb hasn’t bothered since 10.00.

            I wonder if they’ll include this when they get round to it:

            “A friend said Katie, a former pupil at the £5,375 per term Francis Holland School in Sloane Square, Chelsea, had also been attacked two weeks ago.
            Oli Cohen, 21, said: “Katie was attacked two weeks ago by a Muslim woman for singing on Ramadan.
            “She was shocked as it just came from out of the blue – but she wasn’t scared enough to come home she stayed out there to finish her trip and volunteering.”

            Ah, poshos from a private school, not enough victimhood points for the Beeb to care much.

               19 likes

            • hadda says:

              Ha, as soon as I write that, the Beeb gets round to updating. But no mention of any previous incidents yet.

                 6 likes

            • John says:

              The BBC is really going to report something said by “Oli Cohen”.

                 5 likes

              • hadda says:

                Interesting choice of subhead from the Beeb, given it is only incidental to any of the copy that follows it:

                (sorry, too long for a screen grab)

                Respect local culture
                The two women were volunteers for the charity Art in Tanzania, having booked through the company i-to-i Travel.

                Kari Korhonen runs Art in Tanzania with two other directors. He told the BBC in an email the “ladies are OK considering the seriousness of this type of case”.

                He added: “We have been operating as NGO some 10 years and this is the first serious incident.”

                He said he found out about the incident immediately after it took place and that the charity was “sorting out the incident background with the British High Commission and the Tanzanian-Zanzibar government”.

                Another of Art In Tanzania’s representatives in Zanzibar said the two women had been volunteering with the organisation for just over two weeks. He said they had been on their way to dinner when they were attacked.

                In a statement, i-to-i Travel said: “All our efforts remain focussed on ensuring they are supported whilst assisting them and their relatives with the arrangements for their return home.”

                It added that “the motive for the incident is as yet not known”.

                The women were in the final week of their trip, i-to-i Travel said.

                The police on Zanzibar said it was the first time foreigners had been attacked in this way.

                The BBC’s Tulanana Bohela in Dar es Salaam says Islam is the main religion on Zanzibar and in more remote parts of the island, away from tourist beaches, there are signs asking foreigners to respect the local culture and cover up – in case skimpy outfits upset villagers.

                However, most islanders depend on tourism for their livelihoods and are happy to see tourists and there is little antagonism towards them, she says.

                Tanzania’s minister of information, tourism, culture and sports, Said Ali Mbarouk, condemned the attack.

                “We should co-operate with other government sectors to ensure that the perpetrators are arrested and brought to justice,” he said.

                “And I beg our nationals, this is not something they should be doing. Tourism is the strongest pillar of our economy, so if we do such acts we are killing our economy, and our livelihoods in general.

                “So it is not an honourable thing to do, it’s a bad thing and it should be condemned by all citizens of Zanzibar.”

                The Foreign Office’s travel advice for the semi-autonomous Zanzibar is the same as that for the rest of Tanzania.

                The Foreign Office says that while the majority of 75,000 British nationals have “trouble free” visits to Tanzania every year, “violent and armed crime is increasing” and “there is an underlying threat from terrorism”.

                It also says that “mugging, bag snatching (especially from passing cars) and robbery have increased throughout the country” and “in Zanzibar incidents have taken place in Stone Town and on popular tourist beaches”.

                Recent attacks in Zanzibar include an acid attack on a Muslim cleric in November, and the shooting dead of a Catholic priest in February. Another priest was shot and wounded in December.

                   4 likes

          • noggin says:

            Recent attacks in Zanzibar include an acid attack on a MUSLIM CLERIC? in November, …
            recent? that’s 9 months ago…
            and there have been escalating jihad attacks month on month …
            al bbc must mean the most recent attack on a muslim, hmmm
            the only religion that matters?

               7 likes

        • Chop says:

          Clearly white girls…

          Is this not a race hate crime?….where, oh where are the international race police?

          Sat on their fat, collective arses, that’s where, waiting for another innocent, sweetie buying brown boy to be called a naughty name, no doubt.

          Could either of them been your daughters Mr. President?

             21 likes

          • hadda says:

            Fuller quote from Oli Cohen on the Telegraph (still not picked up by the Beeb):

            “The girls were walking through the town singing on Ramadan when a Muslim lady came up to her shouting. She lost her temper and reacted violently – and hit her in the face for singing.
            “I don’t know what song it was but it wouldn’t have been anything excessively aggressive or rude – they’re so well-mannered and respectful they had gone to the town to do voluntary charity work.
            “It was an isolated incident and I don’t believe it had any connection, she didn’t suffer any serious injuries – but they were both extremely shaken up by it. Not enough to come home but I know they felt uneasy being in public. Some people would stare or say things to them.
            “I think white good-looking north London Jewish girls walking around in Zanzibar always make them a target as it’s a Muslim country.
            “It’s a beautiful location and it was a trip that was supposed to be special for them, one to treasure forever. But it’s ended in disaster.”

            Somehow even if they do pick it up they won’t be using that penultimate paragraph . . .

               5 likes

            • noggin says:

              “I think white good-looking north London Jewish girls walking around in Zanzibar always make them a target as it’s a Muslim country.”

              UH OOH! ….
              jewish girls walking around anywhere … where muslims are
              make them a target
              the “religion of paeds”? eh!

                 9 likes

    • George R says:

      Memo from INBBC (CENTRAL):-

      ‘Re- ZANZIBAR Muslim acid attack on two British girls-

      RELEGATE all references to ISLAM’.

         10 likes

  32. Thoughtful says:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-23608228

    Driving licences are being stripped from dozens of people after an interpreter who gave Chinese theory test candidates the answers.

    So the BBC can report the corruption of the Chinese interpreter, but the Pakistanis use a different method, they get someone else to take the test for them, and it’s rarely reported.

    http://www.thinkspain.com/news-spain/17283/racket-took-driving-tests-for-immigrants-for-a-fee

    A gang of 56 people ! Anyone think this isn’t going on here?

       21 likes

  33. uncle bup says:

    Maybe it’s just me – but after about two or three ‘nests’ I give up.

    And by the time the 17th ‘nest’ has come along and someone’s 500 word opus is presented in 250 lines of 2 words in each line – nah. Use a bit o’ common.

       7 likes

  34. Joshaw says:

    Sky may not be about to surpass Kenneth Clark’s ‘Civilisation’, but highly uncommercial programming like this tends to confirm that the BBC is obsolescent in its present form:

    Wigmore Hall to launch on TV

       4 likes

  35. uncle bup says:

    Anyhoo if you need any more evidence that the BBC exists to extort money from television owners and pay it to its own staff while pretending to be a television company (cf Norton £2.6 mill, Dreadfulshire on Newsnight etc) then ponder that Rooooobeeeert Peeeeestoooooon has been given his own radio show.

    Robert learns to order a Chinese meal in Mandarin.
    Robert learns to high-dive (ooh how original)
    Robert learns to paint (ffs!)
    Robert Learns Punch & Judy

    But it’s not really about a radio show. This is just a kite-flier to get Peston doing the same on the telly for 10x the fee.

    You try and pitch to BBC about appearing in a programme where you order no. 3, no. 54, and no 91 in Chinese and see how far you get.

    They could always have tried

    Robert learns about finance.

    Nah – too much of a stretch.

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Is this for real?

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      • Roland Deschain says:

        They were short articles on the PM programme on Radio 4 where RP learnt how to do something he’d always wanted to do. I think uncle bup was being somewhat tongue-in-cheek about it being Mr Peston’s own show.

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        • David Preiser (USA) says:

          But why Peston, of all ill-suited people? We all know he’s massively ambitious enough to have applied to be Radio 4 Controller, and has dreams of being an all-round on-air superstar. So I didn’t see bup’s suggestion as being all that far-fetched. I was hoping it was a joke because a show featuring Peston doing ordinary things and talking about himself in that tortured cadence sounds unbearable.

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          • Roland Deschain says:

            I think it’s all connected with the spat between Robert Peston and Eddie Mair. Personally, I’m not convinced there was any spat, just banter and the pretence of one, but now they keep finding excuses to put Robert Peston on to Eddie Mair’s PM programme.

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    • uncle bup says:

      Anyway coming to a screen near you sometime soon.

      Expect Peston to form his own production company to make the programmes so he can ‘double dip’.

      Rather seems to be the way of things at ‘Auntie’.

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  36. Pounce says:

    The bBC and the racist bedfellows it sleeps with in which to promote the victim status of Muslims in the UK

    London Muslim prisoners receiving Eid packs
    As Muslims around the world celebrate the end of the holy month of Ramadan, a London-based charity is providing Eid packs to more than 400 prisoners so they can mark the occasion.”First of all, prison isn’t easy as everyone makes it out to be. You make it what it is,” says Naj Dar, a Muslim who spent nearly 10 years in jail….In the basement of the Islamic Human Rights Commission’s (IHRC) bookshop in north Wembley, volunteers are preparing Eid packs to distribute to Muslim prisoners in London….”I think Muslims want to help Muslim prisoners. “A lot of them accept, you know, that whatever the crimes may be of the individual they mustn’t be forgotten.

    First of all, 3-4% of the British population are Islamic, yet they receive as much (if not more) coverage of their so called holy events than the vastly majority Christian population at the bBC.

    Then there’s the little bit from the so called Islamic human rights commission about how Muslims want to help Muslims. Now if say if a Christian said to the bBC that he only wanted to help Christian prisoners, would that go down well with them. Would it bollocks there would be screams of racism and yet the bBC allows Muslims to get away with this.

    Then there’s how the bBC loves to bring on board so many Islamic NGOs in which to discus the matter of racism and such when it comes to Britain. IHRC is one of them. Now have a look at their website

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    • Pounce says:

      Join IHRC
      So there is the webpage for the so called Islamic human rights commission and yet you’d think that such an Org would be wall to wall about the situation in Syria,
      Wrong
      Not a snippet in fact the lead article is about how the US mistreated the Japanese during WW2. (and they are Shinto in faith and not Islamic)
      Reflections on US Crimes in Hiroshima
      “The racism against and dehumanising of the Japanese people at the time of the Second World War mars this issue further. The second day after the bomb in Nagasaki, Truman stated, “The only language they seem to understand is the one we have been using to bombard them. When you have to deal with a beast you have to treat him like a beast.”Caricatures depicting Japanese as less than human, e.g. monkeys, were also common in the U.S. during the war.

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      • Pounce says:

        In fact a cursory search of all the major Islamic players the bBC uses:
        Muslim council of Britain
        Muslim Public Affairs Committee UK (MPACUK)

        Not one of the above usual suspects has anything on Syria on their main splash screen.
        The MCB has Srebrenica Massacre – 18th Anniversary has its main headline
        and MPACUK hasBBC, Stop Giving Islamophobes A Platform For Hate!

        Like the bBC, these Islamic NGOs rather than discus the fact that Muslims are dying by the bucket load in Syria instead promote the view that Muslims can only be victims to Non-Muslims.

        These are the groups the bBC uses in which to discus the so called victim status of Muslims in the Uk today.

        The bBC, the traitors within our midst

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      • David Preiser (USA) says:

        So their enemies made some dehumanizing propaganda during the war, eh? Boo effing hoo.

        The above is from 1934, by the way. And Japan is such a mess now because of what the US did afterwards, right?

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      • johnnythefish says:

        The unspeakable atrocities committed by the Japanese in their wars with China and in WW2 seem to be slowly fading into mist. You won’t hear about them on the BBC and the Islamic re-writing of history above is nothing less than cheap opportunity for highly misleading anti-American propaganda.

        Here’s a reminder, a flavour, of what the Japs got up to (younger readers of this site who have been schooled in an Islam-centric view of the world, look away now) :

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes#Mass_killings

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  37. Pounce says:

    The bBC and how it has egg on its face over believing anybody accused of a crime who claims to be the victim:
    Simon Hall confesses to Joan Albert murder 12 years on
    A killer who stabbed a 79-year-old woman to death has confessed to the crime after a decade claiming he was the victim of a miscarriage of justice.

    Simon Hall, 35, was jailed for life in 2003 for the attack on Joan Albert at her home in Capel St Mary, Suffolk.His case was reinvestigated by the BBC series Rough Justice in 2007 .

    Here is what the bBC had to say at the time about this so called innocent man:
    TV documentary on murder doubts
    A special BBC Rough Justice documentary is due to feature the campaign to clear the name of a man jailed for murdering a pensioner in Suffolk.The programme is also expected to feature new forensic evidence.

    Now when any expert is found to have got something wrong, his whole history is discredited. Can i say the same for the whole bBC rough justice programs and makes you wonder just why they really shut it down not long after they made their last program which was….the one above.

    I wonder how much the above liberal stunt cost the tax payer?

    The bBC, defending the indefensible yet again

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    • RCE says:

      Has the BBC ever run an investigation into a crime which ‘featured new forensic evidence’ that proved the police got it right all along?

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  38. Thoughtful says:

    You & Yours.

    I thought I heard a point about paying a fee to opt out of smart meters program. Am I right? This is a proposal in the USA but is it a proposal here?

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  39. Edward says:

    BBC Newsnight endorses third party tool “Block-Bot” as a method for curbing misogynistic abuse on Twitter.

    The only problem is, the tool uses a list exclusively compiled by group “Atheism+”, and the twitter users blacklisted are often those that disagree with the group.

    Atheism+ by the way is Atheism, but with agitprop feminism added to it, so that list includes ‘anti-feminists’ (men or women) naturally.

    As a result, people are encouraged to use the tool, which will systematically block and flag undesirable (though often innocent) twitter accounts, and bring about censorship on Twitter.
    =====================================
    Accompanying BBC News Article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23510635
    ————————————————————–
    Video on the Subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0dZIQZIfkg&feature=share
    =====================================
    (note that the video touches on other areas of poor journalism, but I felt the point about twitter censorship was worth concentrating on).

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    • Edward says:

      It’s a long video. Skip to 7:13 for the bit that describes the tool “Block-Bot” if you’re in a hurry.

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    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Good thing for the Beeboids that this wasn’t in place back when they were obsessed with Sarah Palin. They’d have been silenced for weeks on end.

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  40. Guest Who says:

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/culture/katyballs/100070300/the-moaning-daleks-of-netmums-declare-war-on-the-new-doctor-who/
    Wild speculation, but what’s the betting that Newsnight, under its impartial new Editor, swings in on this too?

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  41. Thoughtful says:

    Interesting comment on TWATO that the environment doesn’t matter when the issue is population growth fuelled by immigrants having 10+ children, and mass immigration still running at a level as high as ever.

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  42. Aerfen says:

    BBC news, latest immigration figures were announced, a Globalist foreign ethnic from an organisation called Migration Matters was allowed to opine about why this was a good thing, and his lies that we ‘need’ immigrants due to an ageing population and that without immigration Britain would go back to 1930s living standards went unchallenged. No anti mass immigration spokesperson, not even the usual Migration Watch, was invited to comment.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1126105/bigge … n-40-years
    (Not yet on BBC website)

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    • Dave s says:

      Large scale immigration is yet another Ponzi scheme this time with really dire probable results. Immigrants get old. What do we do ? Keep importing more and more people?
      Expect no interest from Cameron. Quite why the BBC is down on him eludes me. Incomprehensible. He is hive through and through.
      Finally the only statistics that really matter are
      1. The number of indigenous British leaving
      2. The number of immigrants of non European origin.
      3. The re
      lative birth rates of the ethnic and indigenous British (especially English) communities.
      These are the qustions nobody in the media dare ask. The questions that we all ask .
      It is because of these questions that the liberal medfia is so keen so smear and destroy conservative views.
      To prevent ,by essentially destroying free speech ,the right of the old population to keep their country. and have a say in it’s future.
      To use the buzz words
      “racist and innapropriate etc”to prevent free speech.
      Sadly Cameron is one of these as are most of the current Westminster lot.
      A nation is in trouble when the democratic defict grows as large as ours is getting.

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      • Banquosghost says:

        To paraphrase from a show that proves the BBC can when they try,

        ‘This country is being fisted up to the gallbladder’

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  43. David Preiser (USA) says:

    The deep insight of BBC World News America anchor, Katty Kay:

    With profound thoughts like this, it’s no wonder Katty is the highest-profile Beeboid in the US, appearing in her capacity as a BBC expert journalist on MSNBC, NPR, and other US media outlets.

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    • johnnythefish says:

      Y’ know, I’ve been searching high and low for so long for a definition of terrorism, they had all been somehow so unsatisfying up until now.

      Cheers Katty mate, we can always rely on the world’s best investigative reporters at the BBC – different class.

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      • David Preiser (USA) says:

        This dopey daughter of the elite doesn’t seem to be able to tell the difference between a city on lockdown because the police are searching for armed baddies and a city on lockdown because they’re afraid of another terrorist bombing.

        A better example would have been the 19 diplomatic stations shut down because of a conference call where the head Mohammedan made a noise about desiring action. In fact, considering that Katty is the daughter of a diplomat (and/or spy), and grew up in Middle Eastern diplomatic stations, she ought to have understood this.

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      • Andy S. says:

        Katty Kaye = Botoxed Bimbo.

        If anyone has had to sit through one of her broadcasts ( she used to be a regular when the old News 24 broadcast BBC America) then you would swiftly come to the conclusion that this partisan airhead has very little credibility as a journalist.

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  44. johnnythefish says:

    BBC lunchtime news – where to start?

    The item about the poor victims of the acid attack in Zanzibar? Apparently the police believe it was not motivated by religious differences. Funny, given the perps haven’t been caught yet, and Sky News says ‘The two teenagers were with the volunteering organisation i-to-i and had been due to return home from the island, a popular destination for gap-year travellers, to the UK on Sunday.

    In a statement the organisation said: “The motive for the attack is as yet not known and we will await the report from the local authorities in Zanzibar before any comment can be made.’

    The population explosion in the UK. Well, it’s all down to a baby boom, innit? Ok, a bit of immigration, but all these young immigrants are very fertile, you know. Oh, and what it’s really down to is young women having more children – average of 3 apparently. Which women? Haven’t a clue.

    Mark Carney believes banks need to be more socially responsible. Here we’ve got a soundbite from Today to prove it. Funny, I heard this interview but that bit of it was almost an afterthought, but nicely primed by our Evan. BBC correspondent tells us the billions banks make from ‘trading’ do nothing for society. What, not even the tax on profits you dimshit?

    Sport and it’s the fourth test coming up, can they trust the appeals technology? Over to Durham to find out. ‘Here in Durham they are no strangers to keeping up with the latest technology’ (cut to gratuitous shot of a wind turbine….)

    Then North West news. Where to start?

    David Cameron’s tour of the North West continues. Today he’s being grilled at a youth centre on youth unemployment. Cut to our reporter outside aforementioned centre to cover the demonstrations outside ‘against what Labour call the bedroom tax’….’against fracking’…..’against..’ – well you add your leftie gripe. To the casual observer there appeared to be more gripes than demonstrators, but never mind. Anchorperson in the studio says it’s what Mr Cameron has come to expect when he comes here. Ha ha. The whole tone was one of a Prime minister under siege, and you would definitely think youth unemployement is a Coalition phenomenon. Meanwhile across the plains and settlements of mid-Lancs, massive herds of room corner-dwelling pachyderms went completely unnoticed.

    Then, following hot on the heels of last night’s ‘what can Cameron do to help community cohesion’ we go to Longsight for a report on the Eid festival and an interview with a Muslim councillor. ‘Food, clothes, colour, vibrancy – everyone should come down to take part’. ‘Should be great’, says the anchorperson as we return to the studio.

    Reality, BBC-style.

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  45. Alex says:

    Labour traitors should apologize and the useless BBC should do as it is bloody-well told and report on how immigration is affecting every public service in this country, never minding this lack of training garbage they’ve been purposefully spewing out of late.
    Incidentally, I wonder what section of society is breeding the quickest? Yep, you got it. Alluhar Akbar!

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  46. George R says:

    “Nigel Farage: BBC’s Today programme should sack everybody and start again”

    By Mark Sweney.

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/aug/08/nigel-farage-bbc-today-programme?

    -Not so sure about the “and start again” bit.

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    • Old Goat says:

      I like the first bit, but I wouldn’t advocate them starting again, oh,no,no,no.

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  47. John Anderson says:

    Not bad for one week of foreign-affairs failure by Obama – he gets the finger from Putin (NOT the other way round) while the US is chased out of a couple of dozen countries in the Middle East by Al Q which Obama had told us was reduced to a rump outfit.

    Humiliation is being piled on humiliation for Obama – but still the sun shines out of his rear end according to the BBC crew.

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    • Louis Robinson says:

      John, there was a time I thought that with passing time, when the amazing incompetence of this man came to light, many sensible lefties would concede the point and regret the decision to give him their vote. I was wrong. I forgot that love is blind. Like an abused woman making excuses for her man, the media continues its wayward course to oblivion. Does anyone believe anything they say anymore?

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  48. John Anderson says:

    Unfracking believable ! The BBC asked a black actor to play Dr Who

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/aug/08/doctor-who-role-black-actor

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  49. George R says:

    UK population increasing, mass immigration, and censorship.

    In its bland coverage today, BBC-NUJ refuses to explore the changing ethnic/religious composition of Britain’s population.

    Apparently, BBC-NUJ censors out discussion of whether Britain is becoming an Islamic state through a combination of mass immigration from Islamic countries, relatively high birthrates among Islamic groups, and white flight overseas of non-Muslim groups. For a non-liberal to even ask the questions is deemed ‘racist’, apparently.

    But the question has been discussed by e.g. Christopher Caldwell in his book ‘Reflections on the Revolution in Europe: Immigration, Islam and the West’.

    Also:

    “Islamization of Europe: The Numbers Don’t Lie”

    By Bruce Bawer.

    (Sept 2012.)
    http://frontpagemag.com/2012/bruce-bawer/islamization-of-europe-the-numbers-dont-lie/

       12 likes

    • Sir Arthur Strebe-Grebling says:

      It looks like the discussion on http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23618487 is going the wrong way for the metropolitan multiculti bBBC. How quickly will they close the comments?

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    • George R says:

      One gets an inkling here of the changes to composition of London’s population here:-

      “Baby boom boosts capital’s population to record 8.3 million”

      By Martin Bentham.

      [Excerpt]:-

      “Boroughs with the largest increase include Tower Hamlets, Hillingdon and Barnet, which all gained more than 6,000 extra people during the year. But two boroughs — Hammersmith and Fulham and Kensington and Chelsea — saw their populations fall, mainly because of more people migrating overseas than arriving.”

      http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/baby-boom-boosts-capitals-population-to-record-83million-8751899.html

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    • Bodo says:

      I am increasingly of the opinion that Britain is finished. The change over last 15 years has been remarkable, especially in big towns and cities. It’s nothing less than a slow form of genocide, and the British people have been made to pay financially for it through increase taxes necessary to support a huge influx of Third World migrants.
      These migrants often live in places the average Brits could only dream of. Huge blocks of houses were bought up by buy-to-let landlords to then rent to asylum seekers thru Labours national asylum support scheme. Landlords were earning 20% return so generous was the government with taxpayers money. It radically changed the nature of residential areas, put huge pressure on house prices, decreased availability and, to add insult to injury, increase taxes on native Brits to pay for it all.

      All Labours fault, but they wouldt have got away with it without BBC support.

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      • will.duncan says:

        I think this post surfaces under different names at least once a month.

        No, its not finished, but your repetitive dead end views are and have nowhere to go.

        Loser!

           3 likes

        • CCE says:

          How about “Deliberately changed; utterly, beyond recognition and irredeemably”

          Happier with that?

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    • Dave s says:

      The liberal elite and the medfia darlings don’t care. They don’t breed anyway and are well on the way to extinction. I wonder what their birthrate is ? Way below replacement level.
      The saving grace is conservatives tend to have children .
      Keep the faith we will outbreed them.
      Whether it will be enough to keep this an English land remains problematical. At least the liberals will be history.

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