Open Thread Friday


Sure none of you will have time to fill this one up…too busy applying for the newly vacant position of HR Director, BBC….or you could win the lottery this weekend….either way, you’d be in the money.

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  1. George R says:

    NUJ power struggle at BBC?

    Who’s in charge at BBC:
    -management or trade unions?

    “BBC rejects NUJ claims about HR dirty tricks and email hacking”


    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Something caught my eye:

      The BBC has categorically denied the allegations which come on the same day that HR boss Lucy Adams left the corporation.

      Didn’t we just learn that she had given notice, but would stay on until March 2014?

      I don’t know what it means, but it’s weird. She isn’t getting one of those paid vacations as an “adviser”, is she?


  2. Dazed & Confused says:

    So here we are….The painstakingly odious Lindsey German of Stop the war, the SWP, the Socialist party, and every other vile extremist orginisation known to the U.K., being courted by the BBC to give Joe public the wisdom of her totally unbiased viewpoint of the world…..


    • George R says:

      And Labour’s Ms ABBOTT was on BBC-NUJ LABOUR TV, AGAIN tonight.


    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Finally! I’ve only been asking the BBC since months before the bombs started falling on Libya where their anti-war crowd was. What took you so long? She’s as useless as the rest of them, but that’s not the BBC’s fault. Why isn’t Galloway on air, I wonder?


      • Dazed & Confused says:

        German is essentially the female equivalent of Galloway…Duplicitous, slimy, conniving and oh so self righteous…

        However, as the Socialist Workers Party don’t believe in democracy they don’t stand for election, and so the only way that German could have influence would be after her glorious leftist revolution…

        That, or join Galloway in his Islamo/Respect coalition…


    • johnnythefish says:

      She was interviewed by Humphrys the other day. Sorry – ‘interviewed’? I meant brought in for a cosy little chat.


  3. George R says:

    “David Miranda accused of carrying secrets that threatened spies’ lives. This looks bad for Glenn.”

    By Tim Stanley.

    -But that doesn’t matter to NUJ, inc BBC-NUJ, and ‘Guardian’-NUJ:-
    they will support Miranda-Greenwald all the way.


  4. Guest Who says:

    It would be interesting, and somewhat of a metaphor, if the BBC had standby generators to hand just in case this didn’t quite work out as planned:
    ‘If you’re a fan of BBC Radio 5 Live, you should steer clear of it on September 5. To mark Energy Day, whatever that is, “Richard Bacon will be powered by the pedal as exercise bikes are set up for guests and Richard himself to ‘hop-on’.” Ed Davey and Caroline Flint will debate global warming (no sceptics allowed!). A “human hamster wheel” will generate kinetic energy.
    Guessing the items to be powered (presumably that kinetic energy is to be harnessed and deployed for more than spinning in one place) will be selective and rather low demand.
    So Mr. Bacon’s involvement is entirely apt. And the BBC notion of who constitutes a debate these days is also noted.


    • CCE says:

      What utter, utter, bollocks from the BBC. A pathetic stunt. I wonder if they will mention how many bikes will be needed to power the transmitter – a minimum of 100Kw. A bike generator pedaled furiously can generate 100w on a good day.

      So you will need 1,000 bike generators and 3,000 cyclists (you cannot go full tilt for long and there would have to be a relay) to power the transmitter alone.

      Something the BBC is unlikely to comment on. Stupid and deliberately misleading stunt


    • AsISeeIt says:

      Even on a good day Richard Bacon is not the brightest of bulbs.


  5. George R says:

    “‘We’re not like Lord of the Rings!’ Baltic nation’s furious response to Evan Davis’ attempt to help unemployed man he met at a barbecue”


    • Span Ows says:

      what peed me off was the BBC response, ,“A BBC spokesman said: ‘As Evan is tweeting from a personal account we would not comment on this.’”, no doubt it was mentioned the other day but how would some run of the mill, ugly 50 year old get 125,000 followers? Oh, hang on, he’s that BBC presenter.


      • David Preiser (USA) says:

        Many of them use their personal accounts to promote their BBC work, and even to call for contributions to their shows (Jeremy Vine and Jim Hawkins, for example). Official BBC rules allow it, and thus the line between personal and official is officially blurred beyond reasonable distinction. But apparently it’s still a get-out-of-bias-free card.


  6. Mark says:

    “Medway Matters ‘biased in favour of ruling Tories'” (31.08.13) says BBC online news banner without a trace of irony.
    We cannot have a public funded media being biased. Just the Beeb is allowed that privilege.


  7. will.duncan says:

    Interesting piece on David irving–the-hate-that-dare-not-speak-its-name-8792411.html

    Substitute Moselem for view and its word for word the same rants that appear here. Curious? Coincidence? Or is it just that its currently open season on Moselems the way it used to be on Jews.

    However the type of person who posts either type of hate is actually the same.


    • The Beebinator says:

      its ironic that the independent is likewise unaware of the facts history. The Independent states in the article that Himmler was the founder of the SS. No he wasnt. It was founded by Emil Maurice, a jew. Maurice appointed Julius Schreck as its first leader

      Maurice was SS member number 2, Hitler was SS member number 1. Himmler was SS member 168 and the fourth leader of the SS

      if they are going to criticise someone’s view on history, maybe they should research the subject first


    • johnnythefish says:

      Sorry, Will, really struggling to understand your point here.

      Where is the correlation between a Holocaust denier and people who

      a) Express a dislike for certain aspects of a religion


      b) Post examples of BBC bias in favour of that religion?


  8. will.duncan says:

    Why hasn’t the BBC reported this story a religious mass rapist and murderer?

    Of course. It’s because he’s a Christian and this would not fit in with BBC-NUJ marxist plan to turn Britain into Holy Roman Empire with London at its hub and the Archbishop of Canterbury wielding power


    • Beeboidal says:

      I’ve joined the cult of Dez…

      Papua New Guinea cult leader ‘Black Jesus’ killed


    • richard D says:

      Just having a look at the BBC article on this subject referred to by Beeboidal….and I quote…

      “Tari was one of 48 people who managed to break out of Madang jail in March.

      He had studied to become a Lutheran pastor but disappeared from his theological college after disputing the Bible’s teachings.

      He previously said he was the “true Christ” and promised his followers great wealth and redemption.”

      Now, anyone can call themselves anything (and there are plenty of Spanish-speakers call ‘Jesus’), but the first two paragraphs seem to me to point out that this guy was anything but a ‘Christian’, having rejected the Bible’s teachings and denied the existence of Christ.


    • johnnythefish says:

      Will -I understand you are trying to make a point here, albeit badly. You may or may not have noticed that the BBC have gone out of their way recently to report on the victimisation and killing of Muslims in Burma by Buddhists which, in my opinion, they should do.

      However, they have not gone out of their way to report on far worse treatment meted out to Christians by Muslims for far longer and on a much, much bigger scale across the Middle East, Africa, Pakistan etc. in some countries resulting in what amounts to religious cleansing.

      If that isn’t the BBC being selective with its reporting, then maybe you can come up with another explanation.

      By the way, this was discussed earlier in this thread. You must have ‘missed’ it.


  9. Beeboidal says:

    A first sighting of the Nobel Peace Prize issue.. raised by Putin.

    But speaking to journalists in the Russian far-eastern city of Vladivostok, Mr Putin urged Mr Obama – as a Nobel Peace Prize laureate – to think about future victims in Syria before using force.


    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Yes! The first one in two years! Reality forced them to say it, but the Beeboids could have censored that part like they did with Mervyn King’s statement on green energy policies. My compliments to the BBC News Online editor who allowed it through. Bring it on!


  10. Pounce says:

    The bBC’s totally polarized view point on released prisoners from different faiths:
    Serbian Orthodox Man who was jailed for killing muslims
    War criminal Krajisnik receives ‘hero’s welcome home’

    Muslims released early for Terrorist crimes:
    Israel frees Palestinian prisoners


  11. Leha says:

    Dateline London, Estler – “Is this just a hangover from our Commonwealth days?”

    No Gav, its just your fkn bBC hair shirt making you itchy.


    • AsISeeIt says:

      BBC man Gavin Esler: ‘I loved District 9’ Really? It is a reasonably interesting movie – but hardly a piece of cinematic work worthy of ‘love’. What must you think of Kitizen Kane or A Wonderful Life or The Deerhunter or or or….. ? Maybe you lost your sense of proportion here Gavin? Or perhaps you are simply trying to signal your right-on leftie progressive instincts? All that Dateline London is rotting your brain fella.


      • David Preiser (USA) says:

        Esler probably just loved the anti-Apartheid and “humans are unworthy” message of the film.


  12. Mark says:

    “The Rise of The Rickshaw” states the BBC News. But is isn’t a Rickshaw, as anyone with half a bloody brain could tell them, it’s a trishaw. Just dumb and lazy.


  13. Voice of the Mysterons says:

    I see the Beeb is using the ‘our world’ programme to shill for the Muslims in Burma. There have been riots, and murders on both sides.

    Of course it’s the Buddists who are evil, not the ‘religion of peace’.


  14. Framer says:

    So nobody watchs Newswatch then? I came across it on the BBC on Friday at 8.45pm. It is a cheery complaints programme which included the incisive Samira Ahmed interviewing the head of news, Helen Somebody, about concerns that the BBC had a liberal bias.
    This was in the light of the Centre for Policy Studies research on the naming of think tanks as right wing but not left and the symbiotic links to Guardian stories.
    Helen haltingly denied all this, saying the research was mistaken. End of story.
    Oh and Samira did not quote back her predecessor Helen Boaden’s view that the Beeb had “a deep liberal bias.” That would have been an error too I presume.


    • Guest Who says:

      It had its moments with Ray Snoddy, who had a glimmer of journalistic integrity at times, but even then he was mainly there to serve softballs to sulky mid-level blazers from Editorial for them to claim ‘they got it about right’, to much earnest nodding.
      Newswatch is in complement to BBC CECUTT; and hence the BBC looking at the BBC and liking what it sees.
      It’s a joke.
      On us.
      But not end of story.


  15. Jeff Waters says:

    Classic! LOL!


  16. noggin says:

    stand by your beds 😀
    the biased broad cresent has a new documentary
    the story of the jews – simon schama
    “labelled ‘Christ-killers’ by the Christians or ‘dhimmi’ (non-Muslim citizens of an Islamic community) by the Muslims, diaspora Jews built new lives and invented new ways of being Jewish in exile in the face of discrimination, blood-libels and persecution”
    Actually Dhimmi is second or is that third class non person
    and is STILL relevant, kept relevant, and indeed enforced today.


  17. AsISeeIt says:

    Whenever you hear a BBC presenter coming over all pious and socialistic….

    Just remember they are all guns for hire

    ‘The UK’s leading personality speaker bureau… dynamic hosts, exceptional presenters and much, much more…’

    Pop a few BBC names into their search box – you’ll be surprised how many chaps you had down as a socialist wedded to the public sector love their free market income. too


    • Mustapha Sheikup al-Beebi says:

      An interesting example of this is feminist comedienne (yes, I know!) Bridget Christie, increasingly present on the 6:30 ‘comedy’ slot on Radio 4. Though from a ‘worrrking claass’ background, or so she tells us, she was nevertheless happy to work for – wait for it – the Daily Mail. I mean, just how fascist can you get? She’ll be wearing jackboots next! Still, if you are determined to get on in acting, the media or comedy, the BBC and even the Mail are your oyster.


    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      I know Katty Kay ($15-25K per) contributes to the ever-worsening crisis of income inequality on a regular basis.


      • Framer says:

        Was that her on BBC earlier tonight. It was a blond the London anchor called Katy? She was blethering to hide her uncertainties. However she has the very annoying, and partisan, Beeboid habit of calling her fellow nationals ‘Brits,’ over and over again.
        Doesn’t she realise that is a pejorative term like n……r?
        Will her bosses tell her or do they not even know?


        • David Preiser (USA) says:

          She’s the anchor for BBC World News America, in the Washington, DC, area, which might be shown on your side of the pond, if that’s where you saw her.


        • chrisH says:

          Hear, hear.
          Whoever uses the word Brit for me is-I know- a self loathing patronising liberal who wants us all to be multiculti Muslim shills, yet leaving the banlieu rioting until they`ve got back from Tuscany safely.
          Only the BBC and broadsheet class call us this-anybody know the ECHR place to complain at this…
          As racist and insulting as truncating the name we give Pakistanis, I`d have thought.


  18. David Preiser (USA) says:

    Well, it’s the end of August, and for the first time in 11 years, there hasn’t been single Atlantic hurricane this month.

    But the BBC has been telling me over and over again that AGW is going to cause ever-increasing and ever-worse hurricanes. I was told Hurricane Sandy was supposed to be a wake-up call to us, the increasing frequency and intensity of hurricanes caused by Climate Change was destroying the Caribbean islands, and hurricanes are now and forever more frequent than at any time in the last 1000 years because of man-made Climate Change. Even when a science editor attempts a balanced approach, it still ends up being heavily weighted towards the AGW side, because the only thing he really intended to do was provide a balanced approach to how much scaremongering there ought to be. And on and on and on.

    Yet no hurricanes this month for the first time in 11 years, which means that 11 years ago there weren’t any, either. Which is weird, because all the above from the BBC acted as if this wasn’t the case. I’m sure all the Warmists are hoping for some really big disasters in September just to keep the faith going.

    The sun goes through an 11-year cycle of solar storms, but I’m sure it doesn’t mean anything.


  19. Jeff Waters says:

    Has anyone else had messages disappear from the board?

    I posted one earlier which won’t have been deleted by admin as it wasn’t remotely controversial (unless you work for the BBC!).



  20. George R says:

    Will BBC-NUJ reflect the following in its political surveys of Europe?:-

    “The Europeans are waking up:
    Surveys show rapidly increasing support for Islam-critical parties”


  21. Alex says:

    BBC in major Obama bum-licking mode. So when a president tries, through kind words, to build legitimacy for an attack that would be outwith international norms of legitimacy, it is a ‘smart move’ according to BBC. However, when Bush did the same it was a war crime. Pathetic. If Obama was a white Republican, the watermelon and organic produce fraternity would be chucking their sandals at the railings of the White House in protest.


    • David Preiser (USA) says:

      Exactly. Bush spent time getting Congressional approval, working on alliances, plus UN approval, and assembled a large coalition before saying he was definitely launching all vipers. The only holdouts were France and Germany. Now The Obamessiah, who spent less time working on European alliances than He has partying with Jay-Z and Beyoncé (but has made lots of speeches about pivoting towards the Pacific, much lauded by the BBC), has already said He’s going to war, and has assembled the support of……France.

      What a mess. Also, that’s quite the legacy for Hillary Clinton as Sec. of State, isn’t it? Why isn’t the world behind Him?


      • Dazed & Confused says:


        • David Preiser (USA) says:

          I don’t know which is the bigger joke: a President half-heartedly giving a speech trying to get the country behind a half-assed military action He doesn’t really want to do, or the scrunched-up visage of a man standing next to him in a show of support who once threatened Bush with impeachment if he bombed Iran without getting Congressional approval. Hello, Libya? Click through and watch that video of Biden crying that the US had no credibility anymore and Bush had destroyed our reputation. He was even whining about how Russia was running around saying they were right and we were wrong. Sound familiar? What a scumbag. And what a scumbag media we have that only Fox News dares remind us.


  22. OldBloke says:

    Just thought I’d slip this one in:
    A team of prominent German climatologists finds that global warming stopped fifteen years ago, in stark contrast to computer models and New York Times predictions of climate change calamities. Friends of Science say climate change computer models used in IPCC reports are not a reliable basis for climate change policies; governments should stop scaring people and stop squandering billions on carbon dioxide (CO2) reduction.
    I wonder if the BBC will have a say on this news? Anyone care to bet?


  23. OldBloke says:

    And just who are Friends of Science I hear you ask?

    Friends of Science say the sun is the main driver of climate change, not you or CO2.

    About the Friends of Science

    Friends of Science have spent a decade reviewing a broad spectrum of literature on climate change and have concluded the sun is the main driver of climate change, not carbon dioxide (CO2). The core group of the Friends of Science is made up of retired earth and atmospheric scientists.

    As an amateur meteorologist, pilot and one time member of the Royal Met’ Society, I’m kinda going with the Friends of Science rather than the friends of Mr Harrabin.


  24. Flexdream says:

    More evidence.

    BBC radio news referring to a report by the Resolution Foundation. I’ve not heard of it but as it wasn’t described as having a political affiliation was curious.

    Turns out Chief Executive is Gavin Kelly. According to their website he writes for the Guardian, FT, Prospect and blogs for New Statesman. He also worked in No 10 as Deputy Chief of Staff. It doesn’t tell you but it was of course for Labour. So no chance of the Resolution Foundation having any political affiliation I guess?


  25. Flexdream says:

    I see the BBC website describes the Resolution Foundation as ‘independent’ !


    • Guest Who says:

      ‘I see the BBC website describes the Resolution Foundation as ‘independent’ !’
      One for Samira and the gels from Newswatch?
      Maybe get Mary Hockaday back in for a chat about how the BBC does things, and what’s on the BBC stays in the BBC? Like they say…
      ‘Thanks very much for getting in touch with NewsWatch. We will contact you if we are able to take your comments further. Or your views and your name might get included in our weekly round-up of e-mails and calls.

      But please be assured that we do read all correspondence and may well keep it on file for use in a future programme.

      The NewsWatch programme is just one of a number of initiatives aimed at making the BBC more open and accountable to its audience.
      Have to love that ‘if we are able to take your comments further’ as a piece of semantic BBC dissembling, when what it means is ‘if we don’t fancy the way it’s going… down our internal, secret, FOI-excluded memory hole like it never existed’.
      A unique form of open accountability indeed.


  26. AsISeeIt says:

    The Jets v the Sharks?

    ‘The militants attacked the vigilante youths on the outskirts of Monguno’

    The BBC report here ties itself up in knots so as to avoid taking sides. But can’t avoid certain facts.

    ‘Boko Haram has waged a deadly insurgency in Nigeria since 2009, which has left several thousand dead’


    ‘….the group – which says it is fighting for the creation of an Islamic state in Nigeria….’

    Sounds like they are the bad guys, yeah?


    ‘…..[observers say]….. adding weight to fears that the vigilante groups may trigger an escalation of the violence.’

    Hows that then? Who are these ‘observers’?

    In my opinion when the BBC can’t bring us a straight report without complex obfiscations, made up ‘observer’ opinion and hopeless attempts at so-called ‘balance’ – then just don’t bother.

    In a BBC world of ‘world have your say’ I’m getting a headache. Come back British Broadcasting.

    There’s a slogan for you – Come Back British Broadcasting – CBBB


  27. AsISeeIt says:

    Our BBC man in Australia presents this pro-immigration piece

    ‘Leaving behind her husband and children, hoping they might one day be able to follow, she set off for Australia, a world away. Kobra travelled more than 10,000 miles, taking in Iran, Dubai, Malaysia and Indonesia. ‘

    Good down the line BBC house-style reporting. Focus on a single case you have found that is probably deserving of our sympathy, lay it on with a trowel and then leave the reader to extrapolate ad infinitum to the theme of ‘I’d like to teach the World to sing…..’

    Glad to see the BBC handling these thorny issues with balance – eh? I mean avoiding that famous left-liberal bent and putting both cases fairly and all.

    On the subject of Jon Donnison I had to smile at this

    ‘Here in Australia you sometimes feel like Julian Assange is of more fascination abroad than he is at home. “All your BBC Radio 4 listeners just love hearing about him, I just don’t understand why,” one Australian political journalist who knows Britain well told me here recently.’

    Apparently Radio 4 listeners just love hearing about Julian Assange.

    Do they? Do they really?

    Jon Donnison seems to think so.

    And that my friends is why I am a political refugee from Radio 4.


    • Guest Who says:

      Clearly the Middle East’s loss is Australia’s gain.
      If not to the cause of reporting in either place.
      Did the BBC ship him there via Botany Bay like in the good old days?


  28. Rufus McDufus says:

    Oh look – a progressive rock band that the BBC have studiously ignored or ridiculed for the last 30 years suddenly appear to be the hottest ticket. Oh I see, they wrote a song about Gaza. Canny marketing move there.


  29. Mike_s says:

    So what makes these people vigilantes? In a normal world these would be called paramilitaries or self-defense militias. But the BBC wants to add the slur vigilante. So people who want to defend them self against a terrorist organisation are vigilantes. BBC once again demonstrates that it is a Islamist propaganda outlet.

    The BBC is the problem.


  30. Mike_s says:

    In France, UK and USA a majority of the people are against military action against Syria. How is it possible that the leaders of those countries want actions which are opposed by a large majority of their own population. This is only possible by self elected left wing elite which dominate the MSM. This elite has allied itself with the Islamist. It is a sad state of affairs when a conservative PM is more interested in pleasing the left wing media elite instead of its own constituents. How would the left wing react when Russia said it would actively intervene because of genocide of the Alawites or the ethnic cleansing of the Christians out of Syria.

    The BBC is the problem.