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  1. George R says:
    February 25, 2014 at 9:15 am

    Question for Islam Not BBC (INBBC):-

    -Is there any connection with Islam, and with mass immigration into Britain?:-

    “West Midlands four […….] held over terror offences related to Syria”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-26335261?

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  2. AsISeeIt says:
    February 25, 2014 at 9:23 am

    BBC man Norman Smith usually gives excitable graphic political commentary.

    This morning, however, our Norman does a very careful tiptoe through the tulips eventually telling us that it is Harman’s ‘political judgement’ that is in question.

    Perhaps Miliband calculates that – despite the loss of a female frontbencher – if the worst comes to the worst his deputy leader is expendable.

    In past performance Norman ‘but Labour say’ Smith has appeared pretty close to the party leadership thinking.

    At the end of his dour summary for BBC news the presenters give a slight in-take of breath and launch straight into some accusations about a Tory and a carehome – that is falsification of a application for free council funding for his elderly parent.

    BBC: Sometimes you can see just how their minds work

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    • Ember2013 says:
      February 25, 2014 at 11:41 am

      This incident highlights how the left can build up an irrational hatred towards the rightwing press, that all sense goes out the window.

      The DM is a big bête noire for many leftwing politicians and comedians. Almost to the point that they believe their own stereotypes. Beating the DM is paramount – never concede an inch.

      So in what was a simple case of some current politicians doing some dubious things (permitting the affiliation between the NCCL and a peado group) in the past. A simple show of contrition was all that was required.

      Instead, Harman went on the offensive on Newsnight. Dug herself a big one and had to perform some repair work this morning.

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  3. George R says:
    February 25, 2014 at 9:46 am

    “BBC’s censorship of paedophilia scandal ‘reveals its left-wing bias’:

    “Corporation accused of refusing to report story to protect the Labour party.
    “Failed to report Labour figures ‘link’ with Paedophile Information Exchange.”
    “Story has been on Mail’s front page three times – BBC cut all reference to it.
    “It has prompted accusations of ‘left-wing bias’ be the corporation.”

    By ALASDAIR GLENNIE and GUY ADAMS.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2567110/BBCs-censorship-paedophilia-scandal-reveals-left-wing-bias-Corporation-accused-refusing-report-story-protect-Labour-party.html#ixzz2uKFJ8NZi

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  4. George R says:
    February 25, 2014 at 9:53 am

    DAILY MAIL COMMENT:
    “Amid the obfuscation, one word is missing.”

    [Opening excerpt]:-

    “Ten weeks have passed since this paper first highlighted the prominent roles of Labour’s deputy leader and her husband in an organisation with disturbing links to a vile group that championed paedophiles.
    “At every stage of our meticulous investigation, we repeatedly gave the couple the opportunity to reply to our allegations. But only now have they belatedly done so.
    “Yet to this day, one word is missing. In all their defensive, self-righteous protestations, Harriet Harman and her husband Jack Dromey still cannot bring themselves to say ‘sorry’.
    “Whether they liked it or not, the fact is that the couple were leading lights in an organisation, the National Council for Civil Liberties (now known as Liberty), which in the 1970s and 1980s gave spurious respectability to a network of child abusers, embracing as an affiliate member the notorious Paedophile Information Exchange.”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2567154/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-Amid-obfuscation-one-word-missing.html#ixzz2uKH3ynvl

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    • Guest Who says:
      February 25, 2014 at 11:15 am

      ‘cannot bring themselves to say ‘sorry’
      The ratings whore instincts of the Mail have seemed pretty keen on this to now, but this seems a silly obsession that all media appear to play when scalp hunting.
      They get a form, insincere apology to hang like a scalp on the trophy wall, and everyone moves on. Only the matter not really being apologised for remains.
      About the only thing dafter is Ms. Harman’s inability to hand them this morsel, along with offering Laura K the easy moving on one of ‘mistakes were made’.
      Sensible mid height heels have been dug in insensibly.
      I still await the UK MSM quietly asking for some clear answers from our merry trio to some simple questions based on published facts, and if not their drawing up ‘in analysis’ certain conclusions.
      There’s so much that she has come out with, and beyond the Newsnight interview the BBC has decided to play down or up subsequently, that is still flapping in the breeze.
      Unless Katz suddenly decides to move the entire Newsnight team off to Mongolia again for another in-depth look at the pressing issue of throat warblers… again… if I were Ms. K I’d go for broke, and before that nice piece of Eddie Mair work is ushered in to smooth things over and get things back on track before the elections and Charter negotiations.

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  5. uncle bup says:
    February 25, 2014 at 9:55 am

    ‘Labour Deputy-Leader Harriet Harman has today criticised the Daily Mail yadda yadda blah blah.

    So the BBC’s lawyers after six days poring over dusty legal tomes have finally concluded that it is safe to mention this.

    Or the BBC sucked up to their Labour chums and suppressio’d the veri until their Labour chums decided it was time to ‘go large’ on the story.

    Duh, wonder which version to believe.

    Perhaps Tonight On The Big Wheel, who is the unofficial droid spokesman on this, could enlieten us on this.

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    • uncle bup says:
      February 25, 2014 at 9:56 am

      Oops did I say ‘enlieten’. I of course meant ‘enlighten’.

      Freudian slip and all that.

      A Freudian slip?

      That’s where you say one thing and mean amother.

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    • Thoughtful says:
      February 25, 2014 at 11:47 am

      The BBC haven’t mentioned it though. All they have done is to report Harpersons comments & name calling of the Daily Mail, and that name was spat out with such distaste you’d have thought the reporter was chewing a wasp!
      The very minimum the BBC could report on has been done, with little or no reporting of the veracity of the allegations, nor the previous ones made in other newspapers. In fact they have attempted to minimise the impact by suggesting the three were young naïve, and no longer support the views they once had.
      Ridiculous and blatantly biased.

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      • Guest Who says:
        February 25, 2014 at 12:18 pm

        ‘All they have done is to report Harpersons comments & name calling of the Daily Mail’
        Rather interesting how things are playing out in the comments to such ‘reports’ when aired on interactive outlets, with the responses arriving thick, fast and with surprising similarity of meme…
        BBC News
        Labour Deputy Leader Harriet Harman has defended herself against allegations in the Daily Mail about a paedophile campaign group – and its link to a civil rights organisation she worked for in the 1970s and 1980s.

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26333558

        Ms Harman has expressed “regret” for the organisation’s link to the Paedophile Information Exchange but says it was “immaterial to her work”.
        Now, who would argue with such nobility? Top comment exchange thus far:
        Prue Biddle I hate the Fail.
        –
        Alex Swan Instead of spurting blind hatred, why don’t you go over and look at the evidence, if you don’t then you are as sick and immoral as Harman and her cretin husband.
        –

        Prue Biddle Ooo – blind hatred. Not your thing at all!! I hate the Mail for telling highly biased and political lies which I consider a betrayal of the role of the Press, which I consider very important in a democracy. Misleading the public is not in their remit in my book.
        –
        Cliff Pounder Don’t be daft, Alex, people like Prue are the blindest of all when it comes to their beloved socialist masters being criticised.
        –

        Prue Biddle No bias at all there then Cliff!
        –

        Mark Green Not that the Daily Mail isn’t guilty of sexualising children for the adult men who are sick enough to read it.

        https://www.change.org/…/daily-mail-mailonline-stop-the…
        –

        Andrew Cockerill Don’t forget it’s a matter of historical fact that the Daily Mail support the fascists and was pro Hitler much as I don’t think much of Ms Harman this does sound like a smear campaign based on twice removed links to an unsavoury organisation a long time ago.
        –

        Paul Shrimpton And so because the Mail did wrong in the past, that makes it OK for Harman, Dromey and Hewitt to get away with this kind of thing? Do you REALLY want people with such dubious moral compasses and such extraordinary lack of judgement being influential in the government of the country? I certainly don’t…
        –

        Dawn Mcnair How does protecting universal sanctity of the right to life and freedom of speech equate to a ‘dubious moral compass’ exactly? I would prefer to live in a society where political leaders were free to understand and prevent paedophilia happening and this certainly isnt going to happen by pretending it doesnt exist!
        –

        Mark Harwood Sounds like a smear campaign? Yessir! Don’t let the facts spoil what it sounds like!
        –

        Linda Willis How does the Mail ‘support fascists’?! How risable if it were not so serious. Harman is guilty, guilty, guilty and as such should stand down. But Red Ed won’t get rid of her.
        –

        Paul Shrimpton Dawn, that’s the whole point!! They clearly didn’t understand (one would hope) and did NOTHING to prevent the activities of PIE whilst they were in a position to do exactly that! That’s precisely what equates to having a ‘dubious moral compass’…

        –
        Prue, Mark and Andrew all ignoring the facts and, respectively, playing the ‘hate the DM’, ‘sexualising children’ ((c)HIGNFY) and Godwin cards in short order, with loyal cubicle warriors driving the ratings.
        Predictable much?
        I doff my cap to those entering the fray with this crowd on duty.
        Let’s see how it is going elsewhere…
        http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/nick-cohen/2014/02/when-is-a-scandal-not-a-scandal/
        ‘You deliver a sensational exclusive. It gets by the lawyers and the subs and into the paper. You sit back and expect all your rivals to follow it up and… nothing happens.

        “Where’s the pack?” you mutter to yourself. “Where’s the bloody pack?”

        Or in the case of the Mail, you mutter, “Where’s the bloody BBC?”
        Not sure I agree with his attempt at ‘moving on’, at least on the basis he’s trying. And here the comments are not with him either.
        Consistency may be laudable, but not when it is in ongoing cause of hypocrisy, double standards and two-face lying. Also by the the person the BBC is supposedly holding to account rather than easing through a bad patch to when she can sign off on #HackedOff’s manifesto and their Charter demands.

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  6. George R says:
    February 25, 2014 at 9:59 am

    Update from ‘Daily Mail’-

    “Labour’s deputy leader Harriet Harman expresses ‘regret’ over links to paedophile lobby – but STILL won’t apologise.
    Labour’s deputy leader Harriet Harman offers ‘regret’ but no full apology.”

    By MICHAEL SEAMARK and GUY ADAMS and MARTIN ROBINSON

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2567329/Call-apology-Harriet-Harman-Labours-deputy-leader-expresses-regret-civil-liberties-groups-links-paedophile-lobby.html#ixzz2uKHyPs2I

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  7. Dave666 says:
    February 25, 2014 at 10:19 am

    Apparently at the time anyone could pay a fee and join. Yea right I believe that! Anyone-really, anyone at all, I think not.

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    • stewart says:
      February 25, 2014 at 10:25 am

      Qiute,you can imagine what would have happend if the NF or BUF had sent postal order and an application form

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      • X marks the spot. says:
        February 26, 2014 at 12:39 am

        You are a bit nazicentric Stu. NF, BUF and I read yesterday you visit some very sick nazi websites.

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        • X marks the spot. says:
          February 26, 2014 at 1:07 am

          I see the old dyslexic is still kicking in, “quite”.

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          • stewart says:
            February 26, 2014 at 1:34 am

            Here’s another chance for you to respond –
            February 24, 2014 at 1:51 pm

            I think you should wonder more why it is left to the far right to expose the hypocrisy of a bloated celebrity.
            And as for me being a Nazi, perhaps you could supply a list of books that are forbidden while your at it.
            Dyslexics or not I am happy to be judged by anything I have written here or else where, are you?

            Whatever youre name is

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            • X marks the spot. says:
              February 26, 2014 at 12:09 pm

              You sleep with dogs you get fleas.

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              • stewart says:
                February 26, 2014 at 12:14 pm

                Or in this case a stalker ( I’m flattererd )- still no answers to my previous posts though
                I’ll give you anorther chance – Marxist fleas are ok then?

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                • X marks the spot. says:
                  February 26, 2014 at 12:57 pm

                  Flattererd……anorther ? WTF. Come on Stui.
                  Got to agree with your thoughts on Bragg though.

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  8. Beeboidal says:
    February 25, 2014 at 11:34 am

    Oh dear. BBC favourite Moazzem Begg and three others have been arrested in Birmingham on terrorism charges relating to Syria.

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    • AsISeeIt says:
      February 25, 2014 at 12:40 pm

      ‘Moazzem Begg and three others have been arrested in Birmingham on terrorism charges…’ Well Begger me – who would have thunk it?

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    • johnnythefish says:
      February 25, 2014 at 7:42 pm

      That would be this Moazzem Begg would it:

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10660838/Former-Guantanamo-detainee-Moazzam-Begg-arrested-following-compensation-payout.html

      ‘Kenneth Clarke, then justice secretary, announced in November 2010 that Begg and others would receive an undisclosed amount of compensation, adding that the pay-out was necessary to avoid “protracted and extremely expensive litigation” expected to cost between £30m and £50m.

      Land Registry records show that three months after the pay-out was announced, Begg and his wife paid £395,000 for a house in Hall Green, an affluent area of Birmingham. The property was where Begg was detained by police.’

      Presumably this will now be recovered on our behalf, starting with the seizure of ‘his’ house. Waddya think, BBC? Worthy of s Today item?

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  9. Thoughtful says:
    February 25, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    Bias by omission?
    Yesterday Uganda implemented some primitive anti gay laws which deserve reporting, and which deserve total condemnation, but those laws are no where near as draconian as the anti gay laws in Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, but there’s no reporting on those what so ever.

    Want to kill Jews en masse ? Throw in a few gays as well? Believe yourself to be better than every other race / religion on earth?

    Hang on haven’t we heard all this before a few decades back?

    “The Mohammedan religion [Islam] too would have been more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?”

    “The only religion I respect is Islam. The only prophet I admire is the Prophet Muhammad.”

    In his memoirs, Hitler’s chief architect, Albert Speer, wrote “Amid his political associates in Berlin, Hitler made harsh pronouncements against the church…”, yet “he conceived of the church as an instrument that could be useful to him”

    The Goebbels Diaries also remark on this policy. Goebbels wrote on 29 April 1941 that though Hitler was “a fierce opponent” of the Vatican and Christianity, “he forbids me to leave the church. For tactical reasons.”

    So no difference between todays cultural Marxists the BBC, and Hitler’s view of Fascism.

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  10. DICK R says:
    February 25, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    The BBC seem to have kicked Harman under the bus in an act of self preservation.

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    • AsISeeIt says:
      February 25, 2014 at 12:59 pm

      Harman has come out fighting and has issued a clear call for support from her fellow travellers.

      I suspect the BBC will still do all it can to cover her arse.

      Watch for a repeat of their biased DM v Miliband coverage.

      BBC : Where corporate self-interest meets Leftist political inclination

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      • johnnythefish says:
        February 25, 2014 at 7:44 pm

        Agreed. Last night’s Newsnight interview was a temporary aberration. Normal service – aka rehabilitation of the Harperson – has been resumed today.

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        • Jeff Waters says:
          February 26, 2014 at 9:20 pm

          Laura K’s grilling was fierce, but I didn’t sense it really hit the sweet spot.

          In my opinion, she should have nailed Harman to the wall about why she wanted child porn laws watered down, and why she joined an organisation which a couple of years earlier had stated:

          “Childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in, with an adult result in no identifiable damage… The real need is a change in the attitude which assumes that all cases of paedophilia result in lasting damage.”

          Jeff

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  11. AsISeeIt says:
    February 25, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    Last seen in Balaklava

    Amusing to see housewives’ favourite and trombone afficiando Tim Wilocox turn up in Kiev. Always interesting to watch a live-to-camera piece where the Beeboid stumbles a little over the latest house-style update. Our Tim refers to “Baroness Ashton… that is Kathy Ashton”

    That will be former CND stalwart (on the subject of the past connections of the Labour aristocracy – we know what you did last summer) woman-of-the-people our Kathy.

    Still waiting for a Panorama or Newsnight on the subject of former Angry Brigade terrorists now in top Quango jobs.

    Seems the EU is a little worried about possible future Ukraine partition. Tell it to Salmond.

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  12. Jeff Waters says:
    February 25, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    Harriet Harman expresses ‘regret’ after Daily Mail claims – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26333558

    Still no mention of the fact that Ms Harperson wanted child porn only to be illegal if it could be demonstrated that the child had been harmed…

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    • John Anderson says:
      February 25, 2014 at 1:38 pm

      That is the most telling criticism of her attitudes at the time – she can’t duck what she herself argued for

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    • johnnythefish says:
      February 25, 2014 at 7:48 pm

      So despite the Kuinssberg interview for once being refreshingly challenging of a favoured senior Labourite, there was no mention of the document which had her name emblazoned on it at the foot of every page, the one advocating sex with ‘consenting’ 10-14 year-olds.

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  13. Jeff Waters says:
    February 25, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    Not one hint of remorse: Harman and Dromey’s statements, and the Mail’s replies

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2567098/Not-one-hint-remorse-Harriet-Harman-Jack-Dromeys-statements-Mails-replies.html#ixzz2uL35SiPL
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

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  14. Matthew says:
    February 25, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    New Labour’s Home Office constantly unleashed “crackdowns” on paedophiles and contributed to the atmosphere of hysteria. So Harman and Labour have no-one to blame but themselves, no that it’s come to bite them on the backside.

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    • pah says:
      February 25, 2014 at 1:19 pm

      Yes, and what did those ‘crackdowns’ actually achieve beyond hysteria? A tax on working with children (CRB checks) and a teacher tax (GTC). Marvellous.

      Serves the fuckers right.

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  15. Geoff says:
    February 25, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    The banning of halal and kosher slaughter in Denmark under discussion on the Whine show, this week hosted by the less than fragrant Vanessa Phelps.

    A sympathetic view taken by our host (understandably?) one caller, Ishtak says its humane and in horrifying detail describes the whole gory sickening process. The following caller who seems au fait with different slaughter methods calls it barbaric and wrong in the 21st century, but strangely Ishtak is held on the line and Phelps allows him a retort, he adds that’s its an affront to Islam, our second caller like all the others wasn’t allowed a retort, end of topic ….

    I so hate these types of phone in’s, the inclusion of certain callers and text’s give the impression that every topic is 50/50ish, or skewed to ‘BBC Think’ far better would be some sort of poll, but of course the bBC couldn’t set out their agenda that way….

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    • Thoughtful says:
      February 25, 2014 at 2:05 pm

      Hitler banned the slaughter of animals for Kosher food, but seemed happy to turn a blind eye when it came to supplying his Muslim fighters Halal ration packs.

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    • johnnythefish says:
      February 25, 2014 at 7:52 pm

      ‘…he adds that’s its an affront to Islam…’

      Doesn’t occur to Phelps to point out that it might just be an affront to our culture, though. The BBC gives Islam an inch and, as usual, it takes a frigging mile.

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  16. George R says:
    February 25, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    INBBC’s Mr Casciani suggests we should not be concerned by Muslims in Britain who are Islamic jihadists, because, in his vague, unsubstantiated words:

    …” campaigners say there is no connection between fighting in Syria and terrorism at home.”

    “Ex-Guantanamo detainee Moazzam Begg arrested by terror police”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-26335261

    Yes, note, INBBC, and Chakrabarti’s ‘Liberty’ : Begg is ex-Guantanamo.

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  17. Rueful Red says:
    February 25, 2014 at 2:31 pm

    Completely O/T, but on this day last year this site passed 15 million hits over 9 1/2 years. In the last year it has added a further 12.35 million.
    Not bad for a marginal site of little interest! Well done to all, and particular thanks to the guys who keep the site running.

       27 likes

    • Buggy says:
      February 25, 2014 at 5:10 pm

      Thanks also to Scottie, alby and their dumb chum(s) who’ve selflessly committed more than their share of those hits ! 🙂

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  18. lojolondon says:
    February 25, 2014 at 2:41 pm

    Enjoy this great parody of a paedophile support scandal – if only it was a couple of Conservatives instead of Harriet Harman, Jack Dromney and Patricia Hewitt…..

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2564334/QUENTIN-LETTS-From-Today-Newsnight-Beebs-frenzy-Can-evil-Tories-survive-scandal.html#ixzz2u3XLQ4QM

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    • Geoff says:
      February 25, 2014 at 2:58 pm

      Jigery pokery going on here, it looks like Labour central office has rallied the troops into feverishly deleting their cookies and ‘up’ rating certain comments time and time again. The best rated comments don’t balance the worst rated ones.

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      • Guest Who says:
        February 25, 2014 at 5:14 pm

        Merely noted in passing, jiggery, and pokery-wise, as the topic has come up…
        http://order-order.com/2014/02/25/secret-gchq-plan-to-annoy-guido/
        ‘Tactics include online honey-trapping, leaking, impersonation and manipulation
        Impersonation? Manipulation? On sites that are off narrative? The very idea.
        ps: Seems the Speaker’s wife is doing her best to maintain the impartial dignity of his position, too. Guess she’s assured a slot as a ‘guest’ across the BBC sofa estate soon. And then maybe in studios.

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  19. will says:
    February 25, 2014 at 2:54 pm

    BBC News reporter names a woman, Amanda Spencer, on trial in Sheffield for procuring underage girls for prostitution. Apparently she shares the dock with 5 men – for them the BBC have no names, no pack drill.

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  20. Thoughtful says:
    February 25, 2014 at 4:39 pm

    The live feed telling the news rooms at the BBC what to think and how to respond to the Harman issue:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2014/feb/25/harman-expresses-regret-over-nccl-link-with-paedophile-group-politics-live-blog

    Interestingly just before the BBC began to report the story published 5 days ago in the Guardian, Roy Greenslade said:

    “But I’m with the Mail on this. On the basis of the paper’s evidence, I think Harman, Dromey and Hewitt do need to address this matter seriously.

    It isn’t good enough to say the world was different then (as some have been suggesting in relation to the recent crop of historic sex abuse court cases) because there has never been a time when it has been all right to advocate sex with a child”.

    The article is worth a read as he obviously believes the three need to apologise,

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2014/feb/20/dailymail-harrietharman

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    • DownBoy says:
      February 25, 2014 at 9:23 pm

      When Roy Greenslade and Shami Chakrabarti are agin you, Harriet, you really are toast.

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  21. noggin says:
    February 25, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    all gone wrong for BBC go to “wronged” guy,
    yep! muslim “rights” fave, M Begg arrested? on terrorism charge? …
    one can only imagine the scene.
    Whenever I ve seen footage of this petulant, self pontificating, “poor me” pixie … his galling arrogance
    makes you gag.

    The BBC may see it another way, after all …
    Their own Mark “Clueless” Casciani – “campaigners say there is no connection between fighting in Syria and terrorism at home”
    so that’s alright then?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-26335261

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  22. Buggy says:
    February 25, 2014 at 5:17 pm

    DanHannantoday: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100260720/whenever-you-mention-fascisms-socialist-roots-left-wingers-become-incandescent-why/

    The paras germane to this site;

    “The idea that Nazism is a more extreme form of conservatism has insinuated its way into popular culture. You hear it, not only when spotty students yell “fascist” at Tories, but when pundits talk of revolutionary anti-capitalist parties, such as the BNP and Golden Dawn, as “far Right”.
    What is it based on, this connection? Little beyond a jejune sense that Left-wing means compassionate and Right-wing means nasty and fascists are nasty. When written down like that, the notion sounds idiotic, but think of the groups around the world that the BBC, for example, calls “Right-wing”: the Taliban, who want communal ownership of goods; the Iranian revolutionaries, who abolished the monarchy, seized industries and destroyed the middle class; Vladimir Zhirinovsky, who pined for Stalinism. The “Nazis-were-far-Right” shtick is a symptom of the wider notion that “Right-wing” is a synonym for “baddie”.
    One of my constituents once complained to the Beeb about a report on the repression of Mexico’s indigenous peoples, in which the government was labelled Right-wing. The governing party, he pointed out, was a member of the Socialist International and, again, the give-away was in its name: Institutional Revolutionary Party. The BBC’s response was priceless. Yes, it accepted that the party was socialist, “but what our correspondent was trying to get across was that it is authoritarian”.”

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    • Guest Who says:
      February 25, 2014 at 5:40 pm

      ‘One of my constituents once complained to the Beeb about a report …The BBC’s response was priceless. Yes, it accepted that the party was socialist, “but what our correspondent was trying to get across was that it is authoritarian”.”
      An interesting further evolution of the BBC ‘truth wouldn’t fit’ meme, now figurative as well as literal.
      I’d love to know more about the progress of that complaint. I am guessing it stalled early with the above excuse deemed acceptable, which of course it was and is not. It is damning on any criterion.
      However, if things were not escalated up to and through the full CECUTT dog and pony show, it would be logged yes, but not shown as a valid complaint on the lovely BBS system designed to ensure it seems like the BBC can do no wrong.

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  23. Guest Who says:
    February 25, 2014 at 5:33 pm

    As Norman, Ed, Hattie & permission to print distracting pictures have all been raised, all seems explained if not excused by this tweet from the BBC’s ‘inside man’ (in a toenails sense) with Labour’s high command…
    Aides to Ed Miliband say Harriet #Harman discussed with Labour leader this morning her attack on #Mail for publishing indecent pix of girls

    — norman smith (@BBCNormanS) February 25, 2014
    Looks like another deft political car crash from our Ed, then, as the (nothing similar) #2wrongs punt has gone down like Prescott on a secretary with even the Graun sisterhood.
    I really hope the other parties continue to stay aloof, as Labour and its BFF’s are making this worse at every turn all on their own, and dragging their professional supporters down with them as they try and plaster over peeling plasters.

       10 likes

    • Thoughtful says:
      February 25, 2014 at 6:21 pm

      from the Grauniads live feed:

      Harman tweet response to Mail allegation seems v.badly judged. “They do sleaze too” is v.poor defence + sleazy pics v.diff from PIE links

      Dear Harriet Harman, tweeting sexualised images of girls aged 12 from the Daily Mail, is not a good defence. *cringes*

         14 likes

      • Guest Who says:
        February 25, 2014 at 10:20 pm

        Not sure the Mirror is quite back onside either.
        —
        @fleetstreetfox: Just cos it’s the Daily Mail doesn’t mean ignoring it will work: http://t.co/OCwoQljF3S
        —
        Which is a pity really, as it does have a fair old circulation too.
        “The Daily Mail is pretty pervy, but it’s not political for the simple reason that a Tory politician with the same provable, documented links to PIE would be front page too”
        A fact that the BBC seems not just to have missed, but done all in its power to avoid.
        That’s mentioned too.

           6 likes

      • Richard Pinder says:
        February 26, 2014 at 2:06 am

        I seem to remember Mary Whitehouse complaining about topless teenagers in the Sun. So Harman’s comments about teenage girls in bikinis in the Daily Mail seems much more prudish. So I wonder what the young lefty Harman said about Mary Whitehouse and her campaign?

        But I do think that Harman is using a vague legal form of ambiguity as a form of defence, with a calculated assumption that the Daily Mail probably would not sue Harman back, because when she says “Teenage girls in bikinis” we have “13 to 15 looks paedophilic” “16 to 19” looks legal.

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  24. Pounce says:
    February 25, 2014 at 5:53 pm

    How the bBC covers for blood thirsty Muslims the world over:
    Nigeria school raid in Yobe state ‘leaves dozens dead’
    Suspected Islamist militants from the Boko Haram group in north-eastern Nigeria have attacked a school and shot some students, the military has said. Dozens of pupils are reported to have been killed. Police told Reuters that all the dead were boys and that some of the bodies “were burned to ashes”. The attack took place in troubled Yobe state, the military said. Residents of the town of Buni Yadi said the attackers struck at night, slitting the throats of some students. They said that others were shot.

    All that and the bBC doesn’t inform the reader in the initial first few paragraphs how many children have been murdered by followers of Islam. Oh the bBC says dozens but no figures are given straight away. For that you go further down where the bBC reports:
    Teachers at the remote Federal Government College boarding school in Buni Yadi told the AP news agency that as many as 40 students had been killed in the assault which began early on Tuesday morning. Hospital sources in Yobe told the BBC 29 corpses had been brought in following the attack.

    So what is it bBC 40 or 29. So on that note how many times has the bBC hedged its bets when NATO/UK/US/Israel are the ones in the spotlight. Yeah right when that happens the bBC comes up with an extrapolated figure which is never question and deemed to be from Allah himself.
    Oh and here is how the left-wing Guardian reports the very same story:
    Boko Haram Islamists in Nigeria accused of killing sleeping children
    Militants have killed an estimated 40 pupils in a pre-dawn attack on a Nigerian school, setting ablaze a locked hostel then shooting and slitting the throats of those who escaped through windows. Survivors said some of the victims, aged 11 to 18, had been burned alive by the attackers,thought to be members of Islamist extremist group Boko Haram, which is opposed to “western-style” education.

    The bBC which defends the indefensible any chance it gets, be it:
    bBC DJs,
    Labour MPS guilty of Paedophilia
    Labour MPs defending paedophilia
    Muslims guilty of paedophilia
    Muslims guilty of Murder
    Gay bBC presenters guilty of gay rape

    The bBC will ensure that they sanitise any bad news regards the above by playing the racist,Islamophobe, homophobes,Daily Mail card.

    The bBC the traitors within our midst

       13 likes

    • Teddy Bear says:
      February 25, 2014 at 7:32 pm

      The Commentator too criticises the way the BBC decided to run it.
      Consider too there is no mention by the BBC about 7 Egyptian Christians were shot and killed on a beach in Libya, as the BBC deems it ‘not newsworthy’. We should be grateful 🙄 they did however decide to cover this recent slaughter of Christians in Nigeria.

      Blasé BBC in most reluctant lead paragraph ever on Islamist slaughter?
      It could just be a lazy mistake. But really, the way the BBC opens its top report on the latest appalling slaughter by Islamists in Nigeria makes it look as though this was a piece they just didn’t want to report on

      Even with notoriously biased left-wing media outlets such as the BBC, it’s important to be sure that you do make your criticisms count. Sometimes they just make mistakes. Sometimes you might be reading too much into something. We say that by way of pre-emptive admission that this may, may, be one of those occasions. But…

      Here are the facts of what happened:

      The Boko Haram Islamist group in Nigeria which targets schools and places of higher education on the grounds that Western education is contrary to Islam have struck again overnight slaughtering dozens of kids in their sleep; throats were slit, boys were machine gunned in their pyjamas; others were burned alive as they writhed in agony from their wounds.

      That’s what everyone is reporting. Here’s the lead paragraph on it from the BBC:

      “Islamist militants from the Boko Haram group in north-eastern Nigeria have attacked a school and shot some students, the military has said.”

         11 likes

    • Pounce says:
      February 25, 2014 at 9:20 pm

      How the bBC covers for blood thirsty Muslims the world over:
      Seven Egyptian Christians found dead near Benghazi
      “The bodies of seven Egyptian Christians have been found on a beach near the Libyan city of Benghazi, officials say.They died after being shot in the head and chest, security officials said.

      Wow the bBC finally get round to reporting the murders of 8 Christians in Libya and here is how they get around blaming Muslims and their intolerance towards anything that isn’t : Islamic.
      “A Libyan interior ministry official told the BBC’s Rana Jawad that authorities could not “at this stage speculate on the motive of the crime”.

      The Libyan government has struggled to impose order since the overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi in 2011, and killings and assassinations have become common.

      Well, that’s alright then, this had nothing to do with Islam and more to do with what John Simpson would call:

      “Misguided criminals”

      Pity all he victim were non-Muslims eh bBC.
      Meanwhile in CAR,Burma,UK the bBC is more than happy to play the victim card for when Muslims are attacked, but when Muslims do the attacking, why its point at anybody time other than in the mirror.

      The bBC the traitors within our midst

         12 likes

      • Teddy Bear says:
        February 25, 2014 at 9:42 pm

        Well found Pounce.
        I see why I didn’t find it when I searched – I put in ‘Libya Christians’, and they only use ‘Libyan’ in their article.5dfdf5.jpg

        Clearly that picture is too emotive for the BBC. They also don’t tell us
        The ages of the dead range between 17 and 25
        Since the ouster of the decades-long dictator of Libya, Gaddafi, Christians in general, Copts from neighboring Egypt in particular, have been suffering abuses at the hands of the empowered Islamists — from evicted nuns, to Christians arrested, tortured and killed for “proselytizing,” to the bombing of the few churches in Libya.

        This latest atrocity is simply following an increasingly familiar pattern.

        Instead the BBC headline tells us Seven Egyptian Christians found dead near Benghazi
        …found dead???
        Sunstroke?
        I don’t ever recall a Palestinian being ‘found dead’ when Israel was involved.

           10 likes

      • Framer says:
        February 25, 2014 at 10:10 pm

        Note that the BBC story about the seven murdered Christians in Libya only gets as far as their Africa News website page while “Uganda tabloid names ‘homosexuals'” is the second lead on the World News page.
        BBC’s news values are no longer hidden.

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  25. George R says:
    February 25, 2014 at 5:53 pm

    Beeboid leftist TV drama department: “SILK,” -a review of the political propaganda series:-

    “Leftist claptrap, a plot full of legal loopholes – but let’s not be picky: CHRISTOPHER STEVENS reviews last night’s TV”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2567155/Leftist-claptrap-plot-legal-loopholes-lets-not-picky.html

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2567155/Leftist-claptrap-plot-legal-loopholes-lets-not-picky.html#ixzz2uMCgeAMA

       9 likes

    • Dave s says:
      February 25, 2014 at 10:22 pm

      I switched it off. They just cannot help themselves anymore. That was one scathing review.
      Just what is the BBC for now?

         7 likes

    • johnnythefish says:
      February 25, 2014 at 10:59 pm

      Maxine Peake – not averse to spouting socialist tripe of the thatcherthedestroyeroftheworkingclass variety.

         5 likes

  26. chrisH says:
    February 25, 2014 at 6:14 pm

    Harriet Harman…that`ll be the privately-educated niece of good old Lord Longford then won`t it?
    Who also sent her kids to private schools.
    That`ll be eugenics then…her genes cause her to be a hypocrite.
    And-as ever-being a liberal means you are genetically incapable of saying sorry, unless it`s for the potato famine or suchlike..

       16 likes

  27. Tell em when they wrong. says:
    February 25, 2014 at 6:22 pm

    My latest complaint to BBC:

    “……………….My concern is that the BBC appears to have deliberately substantially delayed reporting the Daily Mail front page story about the heinous PIE group infiltration of NCCL in the 70s and 80s, (front page news on the Daily Mail 10 days ago – plus many times since). This story was reported immediately and heavily on Sky, ITV and the majority of other main stream media plus hundreds of online blogs.

    One would expect timely inclusion of the second largest circulation UK daily newspapers front page featured in your news “What the papers say”. Why did this not happen?

    It gives one the distinct impression you are either protecting the Political figures involved and, or, not wishing to remind the public of your own organization historically mired in sexual deviance of which the chickens are currently coming home to roost.

    Either way it shows that you have a political bias since you had no problem trending (outing) and disgustingly, wrongly, stigmatizing a Conservative peer with the same pedophile brush last year on Newsnight.

    You have a duty under your Public Broadcasting remit to produce news without fear or favour and it really sticks in my claw that my TV tax, which I have consistently paid for nearly 50 years, is so often institutionally abused like this.

    One has the distinct impression you do not care sufficiently about the interests of the majority of inhabitants of this great nation.”

       28 likes

    • Dave s says:
      February 25, 2014 at 6:41 pm

      A good letter and the best of luck. I would no more complain to the BBC than vote labour. I admire those who persevere. The BBC has nothing but contempt for us- Daily Mail readers they love to call us. Little people who just do not understand the liberal way.
      Don’t expect any sensible reply.

         17 likes

  28. Peter says:
    February 25, 2014 at 6:38 pm

    The problem is that we still have a lefty socialist government run by CamerClegg who wanted to maintain the status quo at the BBC hence the rapid agreement to a six year deal when Call me Dave got into Number 10.

       7 likes

    • thoughtful says:
      February 25, 2014 at 7:59 pm

      Television Tax is another stealth tax which is going to be difficult to abolish because it now funds so many other things other than the BBC. Politicians love their taxes and they don’t give them up lightly !

         6 likes

  29. George R says:
    February 25, 2014 at 6:38 pm

    To confirm INBBC’s continuing political support for ex-Guantanamo, Moazzam BEGG, Radio 5 (about 6:25 pm) had on a friend of his (who is also campaigning to close down Guantanamo), in an uninterrupted few minutes of propaganda. (There was no word on INBBC about the threat from Islamic jihad supporters, such as Begg.)

       16 likes

  30. DB says:
    February 25, 2014 at 7:06 pm

    Look out, more Mandela:

       6 likes

    • DB says:
      February 25, 2014 at 7:09 pm

      I bet there are more than a few seats reserved for the BBC great and good who couldn’t make it to South Africa.

         9 likes

      • RichardCranston says:
        February 25, 2014 at 11:01 pm

        The Black Broadcasting Corporation grovel at the feet of the black man and this once proud country lets them. We must be mad, literally mad.

           6 likes

      • Buggy says:
        February 25, 2014 at 11:15 pm

        I think everyone save the cleaners and a couple of work experience kids were on that particular jolly.

        And are we to have a bloody rolling Madiba Memorial World Tour for goodness sake ? Today: London. Next week: Berlin. Further dates in Paris, New York, Rio, Tokyo etc etc.

        Dear beeboids and assorted gruesome allies,
        Some help for you in your drawn out grief. Despite your heartfelt wishes he’s NOT coming back. He’s staying put. He has ceased to be, is an ex-Madiba etc etc.

        (Extract courtesy of ‘Get Your Heads Out Of Your Arses or Buggy’s Big Bumper Book Of Sympathetic Advice For The Lovelorn Lefty’. Now available on Kindle).

           5 likes

  32. Geoff says:
    February 25, 2014 at 7:38 pm

    Blantant agenda push here, the bBC can’t even be arsed to balance the ad for their latest kiddie app with an average indigenous family…

       4 likes

  33. Sir Arthur Strebe-Grebling says:
    February 25, 2014 at 8:32 pm

    The bBBC’s advertisement for its anti-World War I series rewrites history again, showing a black kid reading the 1914 newspaper and watching the British Army going off to fight.
    Just as realistic as Danny Boyle’s leftie Olympics ceremony.

       29 likes

    • RichardCranston says:
      February 25, 2014 at 10:17 pm

      England is a WHITE nation. The bbc hate the WHITE English.

         8 likes

    • Phil Ford says:
      February 26, 2014 at 10:03 am

      Yes, that kind of PC-correct revisionism borders on outright dishonesty, although we see it more and more across all genres of the BBC’s output. Having said all that, it was with some relief that I enjoyed last night’s ‘The Necessary War’ on BBC2 presented by Max Hastings; a sober, respectful, informed examination of the causes of WWI and the effects of its aftermath.

      Sometimes the BBC reminds us what it was that made it once so respected and envied – ‘The Necessary War’ was one such reminder, even if all the good work done there will quickly be undone by the second programme, presented by Niall Ferguson ‘The Pity of War’ next week.

      The Telegraph has some important insights into both programmes here.

         3 likes

  34. John Anderson says:
    February 25, 2014 at 9:48 pm

    Before the usual bleats on behalf of Moazzim Begg – a pin-up boy for many at the BBC – here is the truth about this vile and cowardly liar :

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/real-moazzam-begg_783423.html?nopager=1

       8 likes

  35. Guest Who says:
    February 25, 2014 at 10:31 pm

    @iankatz1000: Turns out Jeremy’s Spitting Image puppet bears allarming resemblance to late Libyan colonel…http://t.co/2flW3IPnqC
    —
    Sure it’s nothing, but currently it says ‘Tweet has been deleted’. Sllipway issues no doubt.

       1 likes

  36. thoughtful says:
    February 25, 2014 at 11:19 pm

    The BBC must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to defending Harperson.
    So much so that tonight they have wheeled out Christian Wolmar, a man named was named Transport Journalist of the Year in the National Transport Awards in 2007.

    An obvious choice then as an expert on Harpersons antics a few years ago, but perhaps this gem answers the reason why:

    “In September 2012, Wolmar announced his intention to seek nomination for the Labour candidacy at the 2016 Mayor of London elections “

       12 likes

  37. AsISeeIt says:
    February 26, 2014 at 8:46 am

    Are Labour ready to eat humble PIE?
    Of course not. This morning the icky party wheel out Tessa Jowell to the BBC news studio for a quick rendition of that old number ‘Time to move on, folks’.

    What will be interesting is to moniter to what extent the BBC comply with Ms/Dame Jowell’s request.

       13 likes

    • Guest Who says:
      February 26, 2014 at 1:37 pm

      ‘comply with Ms/Dame Jowell’s request’
      Maybe she just needs to pull a QT quickie a la Hattie and gently nudge the BBC’s arm?
      Not too sure why the BBC thinks a Labour lady propping up a Labour lady has much in the way of persuasive heft.
      It would be like a BBC spokesperson expecting their saying the BBC gets it about right would convince any… oh.

         0 likes

  38. Thoughtful says:
    February 26, 2014 at 8:49 am

    I’m always suspicious of the BBC and it’s ulterior motives. For a while now they have been pushing the notion that the baby boomer generation ‘ate all the pies’ had it far too good, and left the following generation much poorer as a result.

    I have to admit that there is compelling evidence to support this view, and that idiotic workers became so easily led that they striked [sp?] the industries they worked into oblivion. They took unrealistic unfunded index linked salary related pensions which the younger generations are forced to pay for, and left them with massive national debts.

    Worse than that successive governments left the pensioners alone when it came to cuts so while the younger generation suffered, the pensioners didn’t.

    All of it true of course, but I just don’t trust the motives of the BBC in driving a wedge between the generations.

       5 likes

    • graphene fedora says:
      February 26, 2014 at 9:40 am

      My suspicion is that’s it’s not unconnected to the neglect of elderly patients & their restricted access to drugs, ‘you’ve had a good innings’, & the ‘assisted suicide’ debate which, given the relentless, pathological urge that the Left has to be ‘progressive’ on all fronts, will lead to ‘involuntary’ suicide – done, of course, with all the TLC that the cultural Marxists are renowned for. That the elderly tend to be rather more socially conservative is, of course, irrelevant. Isn’t it? To counter any possible perceived prejudice, perhaps John Humphrys will go first – a last gift to a grateful nation. See, it’s as easy as falling off an ivory minaret. Now, about those ‘racist’ refuseniks. Gulag-upon-Thames, anybody?

         4 likes

    • johnnythefish says:
      February 26, 2014 at 12:50 pm

      I presume your points about index-linked pensions and strikes are referring to the public sector?

      As for the poor younger generation of today, perhaps things might improve if we had less of giving them excuses to feel like the world owed them a living and more of teaching them about responsibilities so, for example, instead of pissing their money up the wall on ‘living in the moment’ and having it all now they start to make serious choices between a hedonistic lifestyle and say, saving for a house deposit. I’m sick of hearing about ‘young people’ in their thirties still living at home because they can’t afford the deposit for a house.

      As for baby boomers having ‘had it all’, I can’t think of a single one of the younger generation who would have coped with the lives we had.

         3 likes

      • Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:
        February 26, 2014 at 3:23 pm

        My own private pension situation had FA to do with luck, except for being able to draw on it before Gordon Madfucker killed it totally.
        In 1999, post maxwell, all was sweet pensionwise, as ‘ it could never happen again, lessons were learnt’ were they fuck.
        To me in 99 the writing was on the wall, so I jumped ship and drew my pension. Round 1 to me.
        Over many years I had paid AVC ‘s, sometimes to max allowed.
        In the 80’s during rampant house inflation, many were borrowing on the equity to fund foreign holidays. I wasnt, I was paying my mortgage down, even to the point of not lowering payments when interest rates dropped.
        Was I lucky to have a job, in the private sector, no, I made damned sure I worked at it hard.
        Did I piss it up against the wall, no, because I made my own beer, at peanuts a pint.

        Was it luck? Was it fuck

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  39. noggin says:
    February 26, 2014 at 9:35 am

    It gets worse, on 5Live this morning,
    re -the 2 Muslim Lee Rigby jihad Killers,
    N Campbell gives lots of thoughts to “their” families this morning, how can they cope/feel? … has a cosy chat
    with some Muslim apologist on the Gov “gravy train”, of trying to “help”? …
    prevent these “youths” from following the Quran … oops! I mean getting “radicalised”.
    turn them away from emulating Mohamhead …
    oops! I mean following genocidal killers,
    who emulate Mohamhead …
    oops! I mean have “nothing to do with Islam”
    as they plan, attempt and murder innocents, and non muslims while shouting “allahu ackbar” and telling the media the verses they use as justification and
    calling themselves “soldiers of Allah”

    “we have to find out why” he perplexes etc etc …
    disgraceful … you couldn t make it up

       14 likes

    • Milverton says:
      February 26, 2014 at 12:02 pm

      I heard the Campbell comment, couched with the greasy caveat “not that I’m making a comparison” before… yes, that’s right, making a comparison between the Rigby family and the families of the killers. Disgusting on so many levels.

      Interestingly both the “communidee” “spokesman” – Hanif Qadir of the Active Change Foundation – and the woman in the voxpop at the start of this piece warned against “reactionaries” using the killing for their own ends.

      How odd that two different people should mention a word so rarely heard in the media since Citizen Smith was cancelled, and within three minutes of each other on Five Live this morning. Did you get that boys and girls? If you suspect the killers of being Islamist terrorists, like, for instance the killers themselves do, you are a reactionary. I’m surprised they didn’t liken us to kulaks or capitalist running dogs and have done.

         11 likes

    • johnnythefish says:
      February 26, 2014 at 12:28 pm

      The chances of the BBC ever being brought to book for its unfounded global warming scare stories are, unfortunately, less than nil. They are so successful with their relentless association of every twist and turn in the world’s weather with AGW that apparently 51% of Brits believe the recent floods were caused by ‘climate change’, even though there is not a single scientist in the IPCC camp, let alone a sceptic, who will back that up.

      But then, when you’ve got an unchallenged 70% (and growing) of the nation’s news output, you can say what you like and do what you like. Which they do.

         5 likes

  41. Dave666 says:
    February 26, 2014 at 11:49 am

    So if the Crimea decides to break away from Ukraine do we think the BBc will describe the persons involved as “activists”? Answers on a post card to Unlikely, Points of view (but not yours), Tedium City, Salford…. d

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  42. Thoughtful says:
    February 26, 2014 at 12:46 pm

    It seems that levels of the bias at the BBC decrease in direct proportion to the age of the thread and the proximity of a new one !

       2 likes

    • Milverton says:
      February 26, 2014 at 1:26 pm

      This is true.

      I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve put up a post and within an hour it has been lost because of a new midweek thread which appears on… ummm… Thursday lunchtime. :0)

      Shame there isn’t a way to take the last five or ten posts on one thread and put it on the next.

         0 likes

  43. Leha says:
    February 26, 2014 at 1:14 pm

    OT but on the news today Peston was on abt the coop losses and how much of the business they were planning to sell off to grab back a 2bn loss. Interestingly he felt that contributions to the Labour party will be affected. I would like to know what other high street companies donate to which parties so I can make a choice on where I shop in future ( The coop won’t be one of them)

       2 likes

    • Guest Who says:
      February 26, 2014 at 1:32 pm

      Probably FoI exempted.
      For some.
      In case astounding uncuriosity on a voluntary basis by certain media is overcome by a twinge of professional integrity.

         0 likes

    • Dia Yaenoo says:
      February 26, 2014 at 1:41 pm

      Co-op. BDS supporters. Labour MP supporters and Put Flowers in charge of their bank.

      I wish them every success in their unsuccessful enterprise.

         2 likes

    • Dia Yaenoo says:
      February 26, 2014 at 4:55 pm

      Lush are a set of trot’s.

         0 likes

  44. Dysgwr_Cymraeg says:
    February 26, 2014 at 3:10 pm

    Here’s one specially for my ole mate, bongo bongo.

    I know it’s just at the end of a thread but hey, it’s posted here very much tongue in cheek.

    Cue suitable insults of small nation syndrome all over again lol

    http://www.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk/Nations-trailer-axed-BBC-fears-unbalanced-English/story-20698466-detail/story.html

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