Carry On Don’t Lose Your Thread


Radicalisation and what causes it is the big question of our age apparently and many people have the answer.  That answer, we are told, has nothing to do with Islam, and all to do with Western foreign policy.

They don’t want to talk about an Islamic link.

That sounds familiar….after nearly two decades of denial we are starting to get the truth as to why so many girls were abused and nobody in authority did anything.

The reason was because they didn’t want to talk about the race or religion of the offenders.

But now the denials and cover ups are being dragged into the light and we now know that great harm was done by allowing the abuse to continue because people were afraid to challenge the behaviour of racial or religious minorities.

In 10 years time will we be having the same conversations about how Islam and radicalisation was reported and the failure, due to fears of racism or ‘islamophobia’, to get to the real root of what causes radicalisation?

Douglas Murray thinks so:

We exacerbate the problem on all sides when we refuse to tackle or even address the problematic things in the Muslim faith in the same way that we would with any other faith. We assist the claims of the extremists by failing to provide any counter-narrative (ranging from the possibility that what Muhammad did then is not permissible now, all the way through to ‘this didn’t really happen – it is a kind of metaphor’). And we simultaneously heighten the suspicion from many non-Muslims who can see that there is a problem and become increasingly frustrated at the interminable effort to shut discussion down.

All very strange.

All I would add is that I suspect that in the years ahead the line Another beheading: nothing to see here’ is going to become increasingly difficult to hold.


In a later post we will look at the BBC’s, and other’s, approach to reporting claims that foreign policy radicalises Muslims but first some more examples of the ‘Establishment’ attempts to downplay the Islamic connection to what is happening in the Middle East and around the world.

In Mehdi’s Muddle we started to look at the various attempts to put a gulf of separation between Islam and the so-called extremists or radicals.

In this post I illustrate that with some more blatant examples where the violent and cruel ISIS Caliphate isn’t compared by commentators to the original birth of Islam which swept violently across the Middle East 1400 years ago and is a pretty near perfect replay of that, but who, once again, deny any such connection to Islam, instead preferring  to compare it with European society….trying no doubt to say…look ‘we’ were just as bad once…so don’t judge Muslims.


Janet Daley compares ISIS not to Muhammed’s brutal conquests and colonisation but to European Anarchism:

Isil: the world must tackle this mass psychosis
Take away its success and the glamour will go, leaving only a rump of fanatics

We are not engaged in a religious war. This is not a confrontation between Islam and the West….the activities of these terrorist criminals hacking their way through northern Iraq have nothing to do with the Islamic faith.

It is more important than ever to say that this is not a struggle between “our values” and those of medieval fundamentalism, or Islamist extremism.
The contest is not modern liberal democracy versus the Dark Ages. This is to impose meaning on what is, in truth, meaningless. There is nothing coherent or comprehensible at the heart of the homicidal Isil frenzy. It is just what it looks like: psychopathic nihilism.

There is not even anything particularly Middle Eastern in the Isil mode of operation. In fact, the gratuitous violence and promiscuous mayhem of its onslaught resembles nothing so much as 19th-century European anarchism, whose objective was simply to create the maximum amount of indiscriminate chaos with the vague intention of undermining the existing order.
The infamous taunt of al-Qaeda, which it boasted would always guarantee its victory – “You love life, we love death” – was a widely held sentiment in the anarchist movement.


The BBC itself has a go at denial and once again links to the nasty Europeans:

A Point of View: Isis and what it means to be modern

Although it claims to be reviving a traditional Islamic system of government, the jihadist group Isis is a very modern proposition, writes John Gray.

Although it claims to be reviving a traditional Islamic system of government, the jihadist group Isis is a very modern proposition, writes John Gray……claims that it wants to restore an early type of Islam, leads many of us to see it as trying to bring about a reversion to mediaeval values. 

To my mind, this gives too much credence to the way Isis views itself. There’s actually little in common between the horribly repressive regime it has established in parts of Iraq and Syria and the subtle Islamic states of mediaeval times, which in Spain, for example, exercised a degree of tolerance at a time when the rest of Europe was wracked by persecution.

Isis shares more with this modern revolutionary tradition than any ancient form of Islamic rule. Though they’d hate to hear it, these violent jihadists owe the way they organise themselves and their utopian goals to the modern West.



Jonathan Freedland in the Guardian does the same, denying an Islamic link to the urge to build a Caliphate and instead suggesting a comparison with European Barons:

This Islamic State nightmare is not a holy war but an unholy mess

It isn’t religious zeal but the collapse of state power that makes the clash in Iraq feel like a return to the dark ages.

It is tempting to believe this is indeed the curious fate of our supposedly modern era – that we are being drawn back to a medieval or pre-medieval world of holy war and wholesale slaughter in the name of religion.
Yet neat though it is to see return to holy war as the motif of our age, it might be wrong. The rolling advances of IS – brutal and laden with treasure, conquering one city or stronghold after another – may indeed resemble the world of several centuries ago but not in the way we’ve imagined. It is instead a story that is both ancient and very modern.
According to Toby Dodge, the scholar of Iraq at the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), what’s driving IS, or at least making its phenomenal success possible, is not pre-modern religious zeal so much as a pre-modern absence of state power. The state structures of both Iraq and Syria have all but collapsed. The result is a power vacuum of a kind that would have been recognised in the lawless Europe of seven or eight centuries ago – and which IS has exploited with the ruthless discipline of those long ago baronial warlords who turned themselves into European princes.
Islamic State may wrap itself in the flag of jihad, but its success owes more to medieval lawlessness than medieval religious enmity – helped by the very 21st-century decline of the global behemoth. Our world is being shaken, but the persistence of religion is more a symptom than a cause.



Curiously in 2005 Freedland was emphatic that there was a link to Islam and the terrorist’s ideology…in fact it was the only thing that made sense of their actions:

It’s not only about Iraq

The animating ideology of the caliphate helps explain al-Qaida actions that otherwise make no sense

For those who opposed the 2003 conflict, it is tempting to cast Iraq and the whole panoply of US-UK actions after 9/11 as the decisive factor in the bombings. There is certainly no shortage of evidence.
Peter Taylor, the veteran documentary film-maker who spent decades studying Northern Irish terrorism, has just completed a BBC series, The New Al-Qaida, which starts next Monday. After a year spent talking to Muslims in Spain, Morocco, Pakistan, the US and the UK, he says: “The one word that comes out loud and clear is Iraq. There is no question that Iraq is the prime motivating factor.”

So Iraq is central. But it is not the whole story.
For, as Taylor explains, al-Qaida is not like Eta or the IRA
Its aims are rather different. Central to its ideology is the reintroduction of the caliphate, an Islamic state governed by sharia law that would stretch across all formerly Muslim lands, taking in Spain, Morocco, north Africa, Albania, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the Middle East, as well as Pakistan, Indonesia and the Philippines. Plenty on the left tend to skim over this stuff, dismissing it as weird, obscurantist nonsense – and imagining it as somehow secondary to al-Qaida’s anti-imperialist mission.
That’s a big mistake. For it is this animating idea which helps to explain al-Qaida actions that otherwise make no sense.

In other words, al-Qaida has a programme that predates and goes beyond Iraq. It seeks to end all western presence in those lands it deems Islamic.

This is the ideology that defines al-Qaida and which explains why it was in business from 1993 and not just 2001 and after. Tellingly, those who monitor Islamism in Britain say the big surge in growth of extremist groups came not after 9/11 or Iraq but in the mid-1990s – with Bosnia serving as the recruiting sergeant. In the same period Chechnya, Kosovo and Israel-Palestine all came into play – again predating Iraq.
But that message is not only about Iraq, Afghanistan or even the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza – and we delude ourselves if we think it is.



The next post will examine the issues around foreign policy and try to untangle the rights and wrongs of the justifications for Muslims attacking the West…..the BBC’s failure to challenge such a narrative, indeed it being the cheerleader for that narrative being so opposed to the Iraq war and Guantanamo, means that it is important to ask questions about Muslims justifications based on foreign policy and ask whether the BBC’s approach has led to more radicalisation and terrorism.





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40 Responses to Carry On Don’t Lose Your Thread

  1. Thoughtful says:

    The BBC have two areas which they need to address if they are to ever offer the insight into what drives Jihadis which their charter demands.

    To the best of my knowledge the BBC has never examined the verses in Islam which promote violent Jihad and those which oppose it.
    There are 4 million Muslims in the UK, and very few of them follow the Jihadist path, people need to be told why this is, because they worst racism of all is keeping the population in ignorance about what is going on leading to suspicion & hostility.

    At the present time, the only Jihad allowed is defensive Jihad, that is until a caliphate is established. The BBC not foreign policy is the problem! By telling Muslims that the West has somehow declared war on Islam it hands to certain people the justification to call for violent Jihad.

    If you want to find the cause of radicalisation then start with the BBC because they’re one of the biggest culprits.


  2. George R says:

    Excellent article, Alan:
    -as you indicate, the denial of the role of Islam takes many forms.


  3. dave s says:

    The reality looks clear to me. Isis want to establish a Caliphate founded upon the ancient ways of Islam.
    They keep telling us that so why not accept it?
    They want back all those lands once part of the Islamic world.
    Then as is the way of things they will want to extend this empire until Rome which is the great prize falls to them.
    Very easy to understand.
    Isis is sure it speaks for true Islam. It has certainty which is very attractive to the young and credulous.
    It is engaging in a war of civilisations which it thinks it will win.
    Why this happens in our century is pointless to debate. It is happening and we need to accept it. Then perhaps we can do something to defend our Christian West and way of life.
    The modern liberal seems to have difficulty in understanding the ancient realities of the world.
    If the walls of the city do not hold then the city falls.


  4. George R says:

    For INBBC to be in denial about:

    “Fort Hood jihad mass murderer wants to be ‘citizen’ of Islamic State.”

    [Excerpt, by Robert Spencer]

    “This stands to reason: according to the Obama Administration, Nidal Hasan’s Fort Hood jihad massacre had nothing to do with Islam, and (also according to the Obama camp) neither does the Islamic State.”


  5. barry says:

    Why does the BBC keep repeating or allow speakers on it’s programmes to repeat that ‘Islam is a peaceful religion’?


    • The Beebinator says:

      because if they keep repeating the lie, people with believe it


      • Chop says:

        This is very true Mr Beebinator, but Barry asks a very good question….WHY.

        The BBC MUST know that Islam is violent, oppressive, hateful and down right evil, they MUST know that it is not compatible with the West…so the question is WHY?, this is not about them telling the lie enough times, folk will believe it, the question is WHY do the BBC support the Islamic model?


        • Teddy Bear says:

          If I can offer my speculation as to why.

          First is hegemony – the BBC want to dominate the world’s media. If they ran the truth about so much that is going on with Islam, chances are they would be persona non gratis in many or most of the Islamic countries.
          So they are happy to adopt whatever is the agenda of whoever they see as the real power within a particular regime.

          The other is fear.
          It was clear after Saddam was ousted as leader of Iraq, when CNN boss finally admitted to bias during his regime because of threats made to close their offices and safety of staff.
          The BBC would have operated under the same restrictions, but have yet to admit any coercion, showing they are happy to go along with any agenda, regardless of the harm that might be done to innocents or our society. We see it very clearly in the way they toe the Hamas line too.

          They are the worst kind of insidious cancer within our society and the sooner they are terminated the better.


          • Chop says:

            I can sort of understand both points, if both are looked at in conjunction, then we are where we are today with the BBC, denial of anything wrong being done in accordance with Islam, and the shameless promotion of anything slightly “good” (in their eyes) that Muslims do.

            Muslim scores goal in champions league final: BBC-See, look, aren’t Muslims brill!…he scored because he is a Muslim!…his Islamic upbringing made him what he is today….blah, blah…

            Muslim chops a head in the desert: BBC-Erm…well…nothing to do with Islam, he was not brought up in the proper Muslim way…blah, blah…


    • Guest Who says:

      Already covered, but worth reinforcing:

      If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.
      Attributed to Goebbels in Publications Relating to Various Aspects of Communism (1946), by United States Congress, House Committee on Un-American Activities, Issues 1-15, p.19, no reliable source has been located, and this is probably simply a further variation of the Big Lie idea
      If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it.
      If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.
      If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.
      If you repeat a lie long enough, it becomes truth.
      If you repeat a lie many times, people are bound to start believing it.

      All variations exist from quite the collection of charmers, now of course including the BBC.

      As with the ‘(The Love of) Money is the Root of all Evil’, a rather key part is often dropped off, which is a pity given how telling.

      Sadly for the BBC and others trying this technique, when reality intrudes too loudly, too often, such siren words cease to persuade, and indeed those whispering them garner attention as to why they feel the need to tell lies often enough.


  6. Llareggub says:

    I don’t know how accurate this stuff is, but stay with the video which covers muslim pedophilia and interest in sexual abuse of children. Time to open up the discussion – here.


    • Philip says:

      Thanks Llareggub. I did not know such practices existed in the Muslim world. Are we entering a new dark age when BBC Liberal intellectual(?) consider this to be ‘enlightening’ perhaps rather than ‘corrupting acts’. The point she is making is valid as there are already EU groups and PIE wishing to end protected childhood and abolish the age of consent along with abuse, rape and buggery considered (by the EU) as ‘adult’ ‘Lifestyle’ choices. No doubt this will be part of Nick Cleggs Liberal policies for schools should he ever win an election. Time for change at the top.


  7. stuart says:

    it says in the koran that muslims can lie to the infidel and the kuffar to protect there religion and there fellow muslim brothers and sisters from,from 7/7 to lee rigbys murder to trojan horse and now the rotherham muslim paedophile ring it has been denial after denial it has nothing to do with islam or muslims,that is the narrative these so called muslim leaders always spin when there is a atrocitys commited by members of there religion whether it is 7/7.lee rigby murders or this paedophile atrocity in in rotherham.we have heard it all before and they dont fool me anymore,here is the thing, stephen nolans show tonight on radio 5 like at 10pm is coming from rotherham,we all know what is going to happen here,we will have muslim community leaders coming on in denial saying this paedophilia has nothing to do with islam and muslims because islam is a peacefull religion,stephen nolan no doubt will censor anybody and suppress them from saying the opposite,nolans show tonight at 10 pm on radio 5 live will just be one sick inducing left wing pro islam and pro muslim love in.


    • DP111 says:

      Some 10 years ago, even I knew that mass rapes of young White girls was taking place in the UK.

      If I knew, then it is not credible that successive PMs, Home secretaries, Chiefs of police, and social services did not know. It is also stretches credibility that the the MSM, did not know.

      Even now, the entire establishment – government and media, can only talk of Pakistani men. But it is not Pakistani Christian men but Muslim men. In Norway or Sweden, the ethnicity of the rapists is different, but their religion is the same – Islam.

      Why is it, that even now, the establishment can not admit that it is Islam. The reason I believe, is that they do not want to give the impression that the West is waging war on Islam – a new Crusade. The reasons are geopolitical and strategic.

      What is going on now, is a coverup of the complicity involving the entire Establishment. All of them are complicit. It is therefore not a surprise, that every effort is being made to sweep it under the carpet, and hang a few minor officials, and move on.


  8. john in cheshire says:

    Since I don’t watch or listen to the bbc news and current affairs programmes, if I can help it, I wonder if they have covered this new development; namely that the Christians in iraq are now beginning to organise themselves to protect themselves and their families and to recover the land and possessions stolen from them by the muslims. This link to JihadWatch gives some more details :
    No doubt the muslims and their socialist running dogs will whinge about it and direct their ire against Christians for having the impertinence to want to defend themselves against muslim savages. What I have noticed over the past few days is a concerted effort to minimise the influence islam has on what these creatures are doing. Talking about tribal issues; both here in Rotherham and over there in the middle east; just gives the muslims yet another excuse for not admitting that islam is the cause. While it may be true that the middle east and pakistani muslims are tribal, that is a secondary issue; they follow the religion of hate because they are tribal, perhaps but it’s still a religion of hate that they could cease to follow if they so wished


    • DP111 says:

      Islam Had Everything To Do With What Happened In Rotherham – Hugh Fitzgerald

      Raised in communities, or families, suffused with Islam, the Muslim men who raped and beat and passed around for general enjoyment, and then threatened with death, very young English girls — did so because they thought the kuffar girls were fitting prey. In a society where the natural order of things prevailed, that is where Muslims dominated and non-Muslims subject to every sort of humiliation, Christian or other non-Muslim girls — so Boko Haram and ISIS (which recapitulates Islamic history, and the mistreatment, after conquest, of non-Muslim peoples) show us, non-Muslim women could be kidnapped, raped, converted, killed. In England, where the man-made laws, the kuffar laws, still prevailed, such things were punishable — but who cares about man-made, kuffar laws? The deep contempt and hatred forf non-Muslim that Islam, in the Qur’an and Hadith, inculcates in the Believers, and the more those Believers take Islam to heart, the greater that contempt and hatred, explains not only what happened in Rotherham, but similar gangs of Muslim men abusing young English girls in Oxford, in Rochdale, in Derby, in a dozen other places we know about, and probably in hundreds where we as yet do not.


  9. George R says:

    May and Hall in unison:- ‘don’t mention Islamic jihad.’

    “UK terrorist threat level raised to ‘severe’, Theresa May says.”

    ‘Daily Mail’, not INBBC-

    “‘Are we content with eating Nando’s every week?’ British Jihadi’s bizarre call to arms from Iraq as family tells how they thought he was studying in Germany.
    “Hamzah Parvez claims he’s been fighting in Iraq for five months.
    “He calls on British Muslims to ‘come to the land of jihad and shout Allah.’
    “The 21-year-old student comes from a stable home in west London.
    “But he lied about where he was going when he left earlier this year.”

    Read more:


    • George R says:

      For May and Hall: Is this the sort of Islamic threat you mean, but dare not specify?:-
      ‘Daily Mail’-
      “Blow up Sandhurst and supermarkets (but only on a Friday): Al Qaeda instruction manual tells British jihadists to target famous store while Muslims are safely at prayers .
      “Publication by Al Qaeda’s media arm encourages new wave of terror attacks.
      “Suggests British military and shopping institutions are among top targets.
      “Also orders attacks in Times Square, casinos and military colleges in U.S.
      “Magazine is titled Palestine: Betrayal of the Guilty Conscience Al-Malahem.
      “Latest edition contains nine-page spread on best way to make car bombs.
      “English-language magazine also has a timeline of notable acts of terrorism, concluding wit a blank entry marked ‘201?'”

      Read more:


    • George R says:


      “UK raises terror threat level to ‘severe’


    • London Calling says:

      Teresa May is laughable. What a total fantasist within the bubble. If you want the know what the WRONG policy is, just listen to what Theresa says, written by complete tossers in the Home Office and FCO. Cameron is completely clueless. Plastic bag tax, that will solve the Middle East problem.


  10. Joeb says:

    I posted this here a while back, but time to put it up again. This is from an interview with an Al Qaeda commander in 2005. Everything in it to date has come to pass. Scroll down to “An Islamic Caliphate in Seven Easy Steps”. We are now at this point which he describes:

    “The Fifth Phase: This will be the point at which an Islamic state, or caliphate, can be declared. The plan is that by this time, between 2013 and 2016, Western influence in the Islamic world will be so reduced and Israel weakened so much, that resistance will not be feared. Al-Qaida hopes that by then the Islamic state will be able to bring about a new world order.”

    And so it goes on to get more interesting after that. Remember, this is from ’05. The writer goes on to poo-poo the whole thing:


  11. George R says:

    More denials, analysed by James Delingpole.



    • Arthur Penney says:

      Probably ensuring that his supporters don’t have to be martyred to get their 72 virgins.


    • Guess Who says:

      Well that’s going to knock the donations on the head in a hurry. £150,000 for a collection of just about every weasel cliche in the book. I’m surprised he didn’t lob in ‘we think we got it about right’ to get an invite from the BBC.

      Mr. Holmes’ fury was quite visceral.


  12. Teddy Bear says:

    Actually, I’ve just read a comment at The Telegraph which might explain just how the BBC got their information about the police raid on Cliff Richard’s house.

    SIR – For more than a decade, South Yorkshire Police apparently disregarded allegations of gang rape and child sex abuse. This is the same police force that, accompanied by a BBC television entourage, raided the home of Sir Cliff Richard to investigate a single historic complaint of alleged sexual assault.
    I look forward to further television coverage of dawn raids in South Yorkshire.
    John Dickinson, Willoughby-on-the-Wolds, Leicestershire

    I wonder if the BBC assured the South Yorkshire police that in return for their cooperation on notice for this raid they would do their best to minimise their complicity in allowing these child abusers to continue.

    I wouldn’t put it past either of them.


    • Guest Who says:

      ‘in return for their cooperation on notice for this raid they would do their best to minimise their complicity’

      Not sure that for either police or media, the ‘usual cosy arrangements’ are quite oozing through the system into oblivion quite the way they used to.


      • Teddy Bear says:

        Since the public are now more aware, for a government now not to act on this gross neglect by all concerned, regardless of excuses made, means that it is destined to continue on an even greater scale.

        All we’ll know is that our system is even more corrupt than we imagined before, but nothing to do about it.


  13. stuart says:

    did you watch camerons speech praising and saying how peace loving islam was today,he almost convinced me to convert to islam,it was sick inducing,but this man is dumb in my book,he says we should prevent terrorists leaving this country by taking there passports off them,no dave, by keeping them here makes them more angry and increases the chance of a terrorist attack here,what they should do is encourage these terrorists to leave britian and fight abroad in iraq and take there passports of them at the airport to prevent them coming back,at least then when we bomb isis we will know where they all are in iraq instead of them posing a threat to us here in that is what i would of said today if i was prime minister and not all this politacaly correct garbage that cameron was spouting out today.


    • Teddy Bear says:

      …he almost convinced me to convert to islam,it was sick inducing,but this man is dumb in my book…

      Or more accurately DIM and DHIMMI!


      • ROBERT BROWN says:

        He is everything a PM should not be; ignorant and craven. We deserve better.


        • George R says:

          Cameron’s a mere marketing man; like Beeboids, he’s marketing ‘multiculturalism’ as a way of colonising British society through mass immigration.
          And selling Islam, not as a global political force for setting up repressive sharia law via violent jihad, but as a ‘religion of peace,’ despite the evidence.


          • Mark says:

            He has been seduced by the apparent wealth of oil states like Dubai, Qatar, Abu Dhabi and the most barbarically oppressive one of all, Saudi Arabia.

            Without the oil, Islam would be a backwater faith.


  14. George R says:

    Cameron, political class (inc INBBC) are, in effect, saying:-

    ‘Terror threat from Islamic “Islamic State” jihadists is severe, but against all the obvious evidence, we keep on saying that the Islamic jihad threat is not Islamic.
    ‘And we continue to support mass immigration from Islamic countries into Britain, and to support the entry of 80 million Muslim Turks into the E.U. Thank you.’


  15. scuttlebuck says:…oh dear


  16. John Alexander says:

    What do Muslims have to do to convince us that they hate us and will never integrate?

    In his speech on upping the threat level Cameron stressed again how important it is to make a distinction between Islam the religion, and the “poisonous ideology of Islamism”.

    No such distinction exists except in the wishful thinking of liberals.

    The poisonous ideology is Islam itself. There’s a great piece on Cameron’s speech called Upgrading the Truth at:


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  18. George R says:

    This Beeboid article should be re-titled, from:-

    “The fear of being seen as racist”

    and changed to revised headline-

    ‘The fear of being seen as racist towards Pakistani Muslims sex criminals, but not towards English white girl victims.’

    -And, of course, Beeboids are not explicit, even now, about how they too have been, and are implicated in similar attitudes as those displayed by Labour Party in Rotherham.
    No lessons learnt.