I can see that the AFTERMATH thread is overflowing. So, here’s a new one. BBC still distraught and have decided it is timely to hype up Conservative splits over the EU as well as continuing to pander to the irrelevance of the SNP. The floor is yours…
NEW OPEN THREAD…
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‘Somebody’ wants to know whether the BBC has political bias.
They are using an online poll. [*facepalm*].
https://yougov.co.uk/#/live
So they can measure, err, what exactly? Whether people can see the bias? Whether they are aware of it?
Won’t me highlighting this ‘poll’ on this website skew the result? Won’t the Labour luvvies be clicking away on this poll?
I suggest you check it out.
‘So they can measure, err, what exactly? Whether people can see the bias? Whether they are aware of it?’
Well put.
If I might refine what you say : whether they may or may not acknowledge the leftist bias – but they like it that way!
“Biased to the left” leading on 38%, with “Biased to the right” trailing at 22%.
Though that proves nothing beyond ability to click.
Now “To the left” is 35% and “Not particularly biased” also at 35%. What a coincidence. There’s thousands of BBC workers and mass-emailing the entire staff with instructions would only take a couple of seconds.
so why aren’t we doing the same?
If their wining its because we let them
Given that YouGov’s self-selecting viewers (and members) are predominantly young and that if the last election proved anything it is that Lefties make a LOT more noise than Righties, who is in the least surprised?
So join don’t let the left dictate the terms of the debate
(and yes have just taken my own advice)
I’m already a member of the execrable 38% at least I know what leftist nonsense their pushing each week
Perhaps its time for a ‘right wing’ French turn
38% saying its left wing at the moment. Go and vote it’s quite simple and very quick.
Just click ‘right’ and maybe it can be swung to the 110% figure the BBC would doubtless prefer, but will settle for ‘clearly not satisfying everyone’ as it usually does.
A quick suggestion from Tony on the intranet and they can deploy 20,000 ‘votes’ as they wish.
Sure there are the same millions who messed with YouGov’s polls the last time… when there was a proper ballot… but 99% of that audience will be again unaware, or messing with them.
It’s a silly game played by wonks and media sharks.
“It’s a silly game played by wonks and media sharks.”
Exactly. But how many sheeple realise this? Wider exposure is required. Funny though, how much more than 50% respond that the BBC is biased (whether left or right)!
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/generalelection2015/tories-go-to-war-with-the-bbc/ar-BBjDzIA
From the god of rational analysis Martin Durkin
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/05/12/the-bbc-is-a-sinister-organisation-it-must-be-abolished-not-reformed/
(Who it would appear agrees with me-that’s how smart he is)
Sky News in the same camp as the BBC & theguardian. Their reporter attached to Chukka reports that he accepts that Pre-2010 Labour spent too much but he rejects that this caused the crash. The Sky reporter goes on to support this view & seeks to undermine the claim by Tories that Labour caused the crash.
But of course the Conservative argument was never that, the claim is that Brown believed his own “no more boom & bust” mantra & therefore ran a pre-bust deficit leaving the UK very badly placed when the crash came.
Will Mr Chukka Khan..sorry UMMMUMMA , be the beeboids new deity ?
If he gets his way, others like Milliaband ( D) might say its a poisoned chalice. To the bbc he’s a pin up, ” ethnic” , clever , socialist, good looking, The fact that the nation might treat him as it treated Milliband (E) passes them by. Let him become leader, come 2020 if he hasn’t taken on board a root and branch clear out and rebuild he will be invited to walk the walk just the same. There ‘s no fool like a bbc supported labour fool.
Ummuna will lose Labour the next election.
It’s a little like Emily Thornbury’s attitude. A London based Metropolitan elite who knows better than anyone else, and doesn’t not even understand the working peoples will never be able to engage with them or inspire them to vote for them.
The chances of Ummuna persuading anyone in Scotland to vote Labour is just about zero, and without Scotland Labour cannot win a majority.
The only chance they have of increasing their election position is with Andy Burnham.
They can’t see it though. Their thoughts are too wrapped up in inward looking and viewing life through their own inverted telescope.
The Bollinger Bolsheviks are running Labour and the electorate doesn’t like them !
Just found this in breitbart comments thought it worth sharing
Western Wasp • 24 minutes ago
Someone needs to investigate the election stunt of so-called comedian, Al Murray in Thanet South.
Check out his “party” on the Electoral Commission website.
http://openelectoralcommission…
Party leader Mr Al Murray
Campaigns officer Mr Tris Cotterill
Nominating Officer Mr Tris Cotterill
Treasurer Mr Chris Scott
Now Tris Cotterill and Chris Smith both work for Avalon Entertainment, a TV company that has just made a programme about Mr. Murray on the campaign trail.
http://www.avalonuk.com/corpor…
The programme was made for TV channel, Dave.
http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/…
“UKTV has ordered 90-minute film Dave’s Election Night Special, which will feature exclusive fly-on-the-wall access, run-ins with voters and rival candidates, as well as behind-closed-doors meetings.”
“Dave” is owned by a company called UKTV.
UKTV is 50% owned by BBC Worldwide, a “wholly owned subsidiary” of the BBC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U…
Follow the money.
Was the Al Murray campaign against Farage in any way funded by the BBC?
Someone needs to investigate..
‘Someone needs to investigate..
Someone does.
At the very least a few questions need answering, and it is well known how the BBC responds to questions.
Maybe Mr. Whittingale may be prevailed upon, once he has got over musing clever ways to preserve BBC funding every bit as unique as how it conducts other activities?
Why is a ‘world class broadcaster’ afraid to go to subscription only?
“…Why is a ‘world class broadcaster’ afraid to go to subscription only?”
Because it would actually have to work for a living. More than that, it would actually have to set aside its political/social engineering agenda in the pursuit of profitability (a concept no doubt renamed within the BBC to ‘sustainability’ or some such bollox).
It might also have to desist with its pernicious historical revisionism; you know – crowbarring ‘effnicks inappropriately into historical documentaries and dramas in order simply to tick the equality box (mandatory). It’s insulting and patronising.
Agreed, my estimate is that it could perhaps raise one tenth of its current income, absent the weight of the law.
When you consider all the output which the BBC undertakes it’s difficult to see how it could go ‘subscription only’.
I think you are only considering TV and not Radio or web. How do you make radio 1 – (what ever number they’ve got up to !) subscription?
Same with local radio as well which has some very low audience figures.
What happens to the government propaganda arm, the world service? It used to be paid for out of taxation, now it comes from the licence fee.
A bit more thinking needed first !
Geoff has kindly answered my question below, but I will use this to reply as your raise the issue of complexities on top of fairness and ‘public service’ that goes beyond commercial sustainability.
JW’s wheeze of council tax loading of course hits everyone in an accommodation. I presume all sorts of natty means testing to exempt the aged. The internet levy neatly scoops up the younger folk who may not yet have a home, but will have an address.
I sense many more civil servants on the payroll already.
Bandwidth of course is a massive issue, but like electric cars the planners don’t seem to have thought that one through on a demand/supply basis.
I recall when ariel-based systems went digital we had to get a converter to allow my Mum to keep on watching via Freeview, so vast impositions of technology and cost did not trouble them powers that be before.
There also remains what the BBC chooses to pump out, from Dr. Who’s flared nostrils on Belgrano-analogies on vital entertainment, to which Tory to next stitch up on Newsnight, to rigging the next election.
All via compelled, unique, funding.
Realistically I think its going to be very hard to move to a subscription only platform, as everyone who wanted it would need some sort of new viewing equipment to do so, most would, if only for sporting events, another set top box, more cost…
For starters we go back to pre digital channels and stations (BBC1 & 2 and Radios 1,2,3,4 maybe 5 only for sport) at a very much reduced licence fee. Before this happens the ‘extra’s’ BBC3, 4, kids channels, Alba, superfluous radio stations (1xtra, 6Music, World Service & Asian Network etc) can be moved to the Sky platform and anyone who wants them can pay for them as part of their Sky package, not many will so their demise will be quick. Local radio can be networked with Radio2 with just local Breakfast and Drive shows, with opt outs in case of bad weather etc.
BBC News needs a compete re-boot with independent government appointed editors, only that way would a News 24 Channel acceptable. Local reporters can report ‘big’ local story’s nationally, no need for Huw to rush down from London, stay in a top hotel just to do his bit to camera.
That’s for starters, don’t start me on programming!
‘hard to move to a subscription only platform, as everyone who wanted it would need some sort of new viewing equipment’
Simply as a question, but why?
Since we cancelled the BBC DD we have enjoyed fair services via catch-up, if missing some live things (news, sports… no great loss).
We recently took on Amazon Prime to get a bit more choice.
Paid an annual fee, and get stuff I imagine others do not who have not paid.
Seemed/s pretty straightforward.
Only if you have a smart TV/PC and internet access, not all do and not all are internet savvy. And also bandwidth, we’re struggling already, some areas download speeds are not quick enough.
Point taken that it would have costs and inconveniences in a transition period. But in its current form the state broadcaster has such a deleterious influence on British public life that such costs and inconveniences are small by comparison, IMO.
I totally agree, but it would be the old and infirm that would suffer, not to mention the internet coming to a complete standstill if everyone were to view online.
But IMO the bBC needs severe pruning/partial sell offs before it can go subscription.
I take many of your points but the idea of ‘government appointed editors’ sent shills down my spine. Not even the USSR was that blatant.
Only if you have a smart TV/PC and internet access, not all do and not all are internet savvy. And also bandwidth, we’re struggling already, some areas download speeds are not quick enough.
Indeed; and there’s no price reduction for inadequate bandwidth. Add to that, Windows, like Photoshop, is going subscription. There’s a danger retiree’s will be priced out, unless they have a government pension.
“independent government appointed editors”
Bearing in mind who the BBC currently presents as “independent” commentators, I’d be mightily sceptical about the real independence of anyone appointed by the government. They’d know what they needed to do to getb their appointment. Perhaps it would be simpler to be open about political allegiance in a plurality of news providers?
Detailed Examination of the South Thanet voting should be carried out , as we all suspect that Labour supporters voted tactically to keep Nigel out ,as well as the T ories dragging out every T ory supporter who was able to put their cross on a voting slip.
Isn’t this just the sort of behaviour that the ConLab conspiracy set its cap against in the run-up to the election?The whiff of Hypocricy is noticeable.
It seems that we were a whisker away from an Establishment ‘understanding’ which would have effectively suborned the FPTP sytem of ‘democracy’ we are told to revere.
Look on this and know that they have a Template for the future in dealing with ‘troublesome’ non-compliant types who don’t toe the political line.
I, for one, don’t believe that Camoron and his laborlite bunch will implement ANY true c onservative reforms ,despite not being lumbered with the limpdims.
In a few year’s time, it won’t matter ,as our country will be subsumed into the European Nightmare.
For that reason, I believe Farage will never be successful in his pursuit of becoming an MP.
Anyone who believes that we live in a democracy is sadly deluded.
Geoff, Indeed. Democracy is a nice ideal but not what we have. By the way how would you describe what we have? Corporatism? An elective dictatorship?
Like Churchill said ‘democracy is the least worst option’
(I also think that about FPP)
Tim Montgomerie re-tweeted:
Don’t be in any doubt who the Tories consider to be ‘The Opposition’ and who they consider to be ‘The Enemy’. Balls insulted Cameron every Wednesday, yet the gentleman Reckless attracts his ire. UKIP undermined Balls while the Tories threw everything against Farage, Carswell and Reckless. They’re full of swagger now, just like Cameron was when he insulted UKIP voters as ‘fruitcakes, loonies…’. Kippers have long memories…
My gut feeling has always been that Cameron is not a real conservative. So I hope the new intake will harbour a few real ones.
The EU is the battleground. if we go it collapses and Cameron is there to deliver a stay in vote. Watch carefully how he will extract a few meaningless concessions and present them as a result.
The matter is really easy to grasp. Who rules us? Ourselves or an outside power. Who has the right to rule us? Our parliament or the EU.
Who has the right to hand our sovereignity to an outside power? Nobody not even our parliament.
So it is that simple but the BBC/liberal/Cameroons will so obscure the matter that I really fear the real issue will be lost.
The BBC will try to restrict the debate to economics and focus on raising fear of exclusion from the single market, They will downplay the fact that we import more from the other members of the EU than we export to them, so they would never exclude us.
The BBC will see it as a demonstration of their own integrity – the EU have bought them and they will deliver for their owner.
Celebrations – along with shock – as Twitter reacts to Zimmerman shooting
So, George Zimmerman has been shot at, has he? Rather than an undercurrent of “tee-hee, serves him right” from the BBC, wouldn’t they be better with an article exploring the culpability of media organisations who presume to know better than a jury who were presented with all the evidence?
“Well now” …full on Sven voice of slight amazement. 4-38 on R5 ” and now a discussion on the future of the bbc with Robin Lustig and David Vance. Knock me down with a feather, Vance on the Radio ! All a bit WW 1 with shots being fired from prepared positions towards an enemy prepared for incoming…. So no big revelations, Lustig kept pounding about the bbc costing the common man “40p a day” David noting the cost of billions of pounds a year. Fire was exchanged, hits there was few.
Comments ? ….Lustig was a old hand at this, firing from a prepared plan, only a few minutes to hold out for and the status will be very much Quo. David had the harder task, turn minds away from what they know, are familiar with, always an uphill struggle in the time allowed. His plan seemed to be aiming at the big figure and to my mind he would have been better attacking the effects of the telly tax on the individual. It was mentioned in passing but not made a major push. To my mind people listening in a car on the way home will only connect with that with which they connect when listening with only half an ear, such as being told about some local woman being up in court and threatened with prison to pay for the metrosexuals expenses . Another attack on the vastness of the bbc was also to my mind parried, it needed the fact that the bbc is in many areas the only giver of news and desperately needs some opposition to its world view. To be fair to the beeboid (the usual afternoon one who’s name escapes me he was quite correct and neutral ( well he had to be for this). Even this site got a mention ! On daytime radio !!!! They are listening and reading folks, thay are aware of the criticism.
Score ? On an away ground against a good defence, probably 0-0, the best that could be expected.
Getting noticed to the extent you’re acknowledged on PM – as they say on the MasterCard ads… ‘Priceless!’
What a festering nest of Tory creepy crawlies lurk here! Somebody pull the curtains and open the window – let a bit of light and fresh air in!
Hello Manon.
Bring your light and air Arthur!
R 5 reports a rift between Carswell and UKIP Central, apparently UKIP got £650,000 for the number of votes it got in the election. But the rules state the money has to go to the party in Westminster, which happens to be him. Reported to have told the party who want him to spend it on a large staff that he has no need to run an office of 15 like an American Senator.
The usual suspects have been trying to stir up trouble between Farage and Carsell since the day Carswell defected. They were sensing trouble last night:
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They get all excited… these folk simply don’t understand UKIP voters… that’s probably a good thing!
12.5.15 Robin Brant of LabourBBC (Special Ops division) had a piece on News 24.
The BBC has a ‘UKIP Insider’. This ‘insider’ (unless there is more than one) also gave Carol Walker the heads up on her ‘bash UKIP’ piece, yesterday. The thrust of the report from Brandt was that Carswell is falling out with UKIP and a ‘split’ is appearing in the Party.
The BBC are producing so many ‘soft love’ Labour pieces on the News, as the Party ‘searches’ for a direction and ‘repairs’ its relationship with the voters. It’s so many I can’t keep count. BBC must have dozens of staff dedicated to the Labour revival movement. The BBC is on-board with this process.
The BBC is also on-board with the ‘bash UKIP’ side of the Labour revival. Quotes from ‘inside sources’, the usual Beeboid favourites ‘some say, ….’ and ‘critics say, ….’. Two partial quotes from Douglas Carswell relating to his staffing levels and internal basic day to day Party management issues in Parliament, have been twisted into a report by the universally partial Mr Robin Brandt, to infer that UKIP is in meltdown.
Dearie me Mr Brandt. You get paid to follow and listen to UKIP. Yet you appear to have learned nothing of the purpose of UKIP, who it represents or the people who vote for it. You appear to know nothing about what you apparently hate, and wish to damage. Truly psychotic.
Anybody who thinks the Cast Iron Dave’s socialist Tories will kerb the BBC whilst it can provide huge influence on the publics’ views on (i) UKIP and (ii) the EU, is frankly kidding themselves.
During the election campaign (and before) Many Labour MP’s were openly discussing the inability of Ed Miliband to provide convincing leadership. I cannot believe that the BBC does not have ‘insiders’ in the Labour Party (not that they needed them). Yet in the years preceding the election, such reports of internal misgivings about Ed, were certainly not hammered home gleefully by right wing BBC journalists. Rather, the shouts and screams from within Labour about the competence of Miliband fell on deaf BBC ears. The ears of the BBC are now in full ‘selective deafness’ mode. Eagle ears on negative UKIP, deaf on negative Labour (couldn’t quite dodge reporting the election result though!). Eagle ears on positive labour, deaf on positive UKIP (Read a good manifesto, and then wanted to avoid discussion of it like the plague).
BBC. Corrupted. Beyond repair.
12.5.15 Robin Brant of LabourBBC (Special Ops division) had a piece on News 24.
Brant is going nuts on twitter, stirring. He looks like he could blow a gasket. I thought they’d ease off after the election, but you’re right – they see UKIP as threatening to their beloved Labour, and so they’re going for them. Might be an idea to pace themselves; another four years, three hundred and sixty days still to go. Brant is especially peeved that Farage is targeting the first bye-election in a Labour seat.
Woke up yesterday morning to Sarah Montague negotiating Britains “red lines” for any prospective EU deal with its ex-President, Jose Manuel Barroso.
Or rather-Sarah was snitching and conniving to stick her beak between an ex unelected blow-in from the Maoist tendency, and her beloved BBC/Labour progressive coalition of the willies.
There was me thinking that we voted Cameron in to do this for us-but no, Sarah`s taken charge!
And the day ended with Evan Davis cavilling around a Labour “Yuman Rights” lawyer-so we could all mourn the threat to the ECHR and the collapse of Ulster if we don`t vote to stay in Europe.
Relentless 24/7 shilling for the EU and their BBC windsock.
Really hope that Whittingdale knows that the incorrigible BBC won`t stop the yap for their sponsors in Brussels and Baghdad, until we stick Savile onto their yardarm and nobble the eunuchs of “The Project”…I`m sick of their agenda setting,especially now that we all know what Britain wants-and voted for.
And it`s NOT Monty, Evan, Barrosa and Phillippe Sands-we hate and loath them!
Nevermind the bias; the way things are going, the BBC will be obsolete within a generation
Technology is undermining the justification for the licence fee, regardless of Tory allegations of bias
Jeremy Warner – Torygraph
With the red button service, my region is listed as-traffic-cambridgeshire, sport- east, weather- Midlands, news- east midlands. Now I know its not biased, but for 4 billion p/a , couldn’t someone decide which region northampton belongs to, after all, they manage to place reporters in every far flung corner of the world
you seem to have missed where the smug london tw@@s actually think you are, hampton its in the north where its grim obviously
anyone catch the panorama election special last night. it was there coming out party for there new best pals snp. sir William of barking/Dorset was there representing labour.
They all seemed very unhappy with the voting system at the moment, especially ‘historian’ Dan Snow, I wonder why that is?
The mourning continues……poor dears
This am on R4 Farming Today.
EU planning to relax environmental regulations. We get an environmentalist in the studio interviewed but not challenged as she describes how stupid that would be.
Next item, a recorded statement by a NFU guy supporting the Conservatives and saying that the Conservative farming manifesto is basically everything the NFU want. Followed up as part of the same item by another environmentalist in the studio interviewed but unchallenged as he attacks Conservative policy.
Blatant bias.
The meritocracy… as brought to you by The Conservative Party. Does this not count as racism?
I could care less iff it’s less pale or male, I just want the best people for the job, not just box tickers
Pick your ‘ism time. Warsi doesn’t appear to like (i) men (ii) white people.
She’s not too keen on Israel either, apparently.
That will be a ‘Yes’ Farli, but I’m happy you are on the ball. Well done girl!
David Cameron pledges to decriminalise licence fee
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/bbc/11600972/David-Cameron-pledges-to-decriminalise-licence-fee.html
The beginning of the end for the BBC as we know it?
Here’s hoping…
Katz will not enjoy this tweet from a Labour MP.
Whittingdale won’t (ensure…). The BBC won’t (show…). Katz won’t give a f*&k what Hoey says. That’s what my money would be on.
Anyone seen the BBC or any feminists speaking out about ISIS torturing women for breast feeding in public? Thought not. It is only Farage’s remarks on the subject which excite the BBC.
Now if he were to condemn ISIS for doing this he would be attacked for Islamophobia.
Pamela Geller
http://pamelageller.com/2015/05/breast-ripper-isis-savagely-mutilates-women-who-breastfeed-in-public.html/
Also Daily Mail
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2890911/All-female-Islamic-State-police-squad-tortured-woman-device-called-biter-caught-breastfeeding-public.html
The sort of people attracted to IS seem to be much the same as the sort who became concentration camp guards, if not worse.
I do hope Labour give the vanity project that is Chukka the gig at the helm…..all suit and no substance. Watch the trad Labour support defect to Ukip in droves outside London and Manchester as the metropolitan left plough on regardless. They’d be in the wilderness for years.
Wonderful to once again witness the BBC’s idea of balance on Newsnight tonight. One anti EU M.P versus one pro EU business man PLUS one pro EU appatchik, PLUS one very pro EU Evan Davis. Biased Beyond Credibility!!
Shouty reporter Alex Forsythe shouts at Farage. Yes love he did resign so he did keep his wiord.
Farage is back and Al Beeb don’t like it . Great !
At 7:10 the Today programme was about to interview Douglas Carswell about the UKIP “row” over taking taxpayer money allocated to opposition parties. In the introduction it was said that some leading UKIP members wanted “to ride the gravy train in the same way as in Europe”. In the subsequent interview with Carswell this allegation was not further mentioned & so remained a gratuitously derogatory comment.