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Anyone else watching live on ITV? Farage being constantly interrupted, talked over, not allowed to finish. Interviewer cut off applause at the end of his first answer 🙁 Just tried to do it again – but failed, ha ha. Totally hostile audience – or at least the questioners they are picking are all hostile… goodness 🙄
Mike
Saw it. Disgraceful. Let’s how they treat Dave.
Cracking:
Man (“40 year old brit”) in the front row saying the area he grew up in has become a no-go zone, slamming Dodgy Dave for not reducing immigration as promised, and blaming him for his dwindling living standard, and saying “rolling the dice” on leaving the EU is pants, actually it’s the opposite and Cameron wants to roll the dice on staying in. Is he a bigot/racist?
Oh, and following question from the young lady in blue, NHS working asking how we can protect the NHS from migrants – is she a bigot/racist too? Blaming him for stripping funding from nurses training.
Where I live there are thousands of people like the “40 year old Brit” Asian guy, and I genuinely feel for them. There’s an area of my city that used to be primarily Pakistani/Bangladeshi and has been so for decades, and whatever some might think of that particular demographic, they we’re pretty much working class folk trying to do better for themselves. The area is now a f***ing disgrace, sorry, there are no other words for it. The city council with it’s “refugees welcome” attitude has moved in all the filthy beggars from eastern Europe and the middle-east, and the place is knee deep in litter and feral kids prowling the streets at all hours. Even the adults are loitering in intimidating gangs until the early hours. There was a documentary on TV a couple of years ago highlighting the tensions between the settled Asian residents and the latest vermin influx, mainly Roma & Kurd. if anyone remembers it, there was an Asian guy saying they were worse than rats. Well, I can say with some authority that the situation is exponentially worse now than it was when the documentary was filmed. Cameron should be brought to the city and dropped into this festering time bomb. I don’t suppose he would give a ****, but with any luck he would get arse raped to wipe that smug grin off his face! What is this country coming to?
neilw,
I call it the ” Drawbridge Effect”. Immigrants who have settled and assimilated and are making a contribution do not want riff-raff coming in and ruining everything. And quite right too. Yes, Dave should have his face rubbed rubbed in that crap and see how he smells then !
Watching the Nigel / Cameron show. Of course there had to be a nutter in the audience. A young black woman suggesting that any conversation about immigration is, of itself, racist. It’s a very peculiar attitude. She wasn’t interested in any other opinion than her own twisted logic.
Another chap, a typical Guardianista type, suggests that we must have limitless immigration to support the elderly. “We’re an aging population,” he told us, “we need these young workers.” Oh yeh, that makes sense. We increase our population by many millions and when they reach pensionable age we need to import many millions more. When I was a lad the population of our country was about 55 million.
God only knows what it is now. And in ten years…
Go on… go on… ask him how long his famous benefit brake is going to last for?!?
7 years!
That’s all.
How come the interviewer doesn’t interject with a fact???
No shame.
Interviewer is far more deferential to Dodgy Dave – now asking him a leading question.
And her reverential “thank you Mr Cameron” instead of the brusque “thank you, thank you” to Nigel Farage.
Wish someone would remind Mr C that of the 72 times we’ve objected to something at the EU Commission, we’ve lost all 72 times. We have no influence in the EU, simples.
Forgive me if I’m wrong, it’s been a long night, but I thought it was only 4 years and the other 27 countries had to agree to it in the future and am I the only one who thinks Dodgy Daves new agreement has been kept out of the spotlight because he knows it’s crap.
Mrs Kitty,
I think that at least one EU “leader” has said that it is not binding anyway.
@Mrs Kitty You might be right – but the principle is the same: we’ve given away our right to objection to ever-closer integration in the EU for a limited-time offer. And Grant, yes – didn’t the Commission say they’re going to be hard-pressed to sell the deal to the EU Parliament which will have to ratify it? And some have said it’s not even legal under EU law so could be challenged. Personally, I think it’s about as useful as Chamberlain’s famous piece of paper from “Herr Hitler”.
Mike,
Another point is does Dave know ? If he does then he is lying . If he doesn’t then he is stupid.
Oh and apparently now we *can* stop EU nationals with a criminal record entering the UK… 🙄 Some people have no shame whatsoever…
Cameron was absolutely shafted by the guy who mentioned the 800th anniversary of the Magna Carta and followed up with the remarks about law making and courts.
But was allowed to waffle on…..either oblivious or covering desperately.
No wonder he didn’t dare face Farage man to man.
Cameron wasnt at all. If anyone thinks that the Magna Carta has any applicability to modern Britain you are frankly nuts. Cameron was probably strongest on the soveriegnty point . European courts very rarely interfere with UK judicial rulings and in the event they do, their judgements are on very sound legal points.
With the other issues it must be remembered that all states ,through sharing common rules ,give up some soveriegnty. This is no different for any other organisation such as Nato for example.
It was noteworthy that Farage just couldnt answer a damned question he was asked and Cameron was woefully compromised on the housing and health question ,both a consequence of Tory failure to invest.
He was further compromised by the fact that his governments policies in relation to liberalising trade is the key reason so many people in this country are facing increasing hardship, not the EU.
Funniest moment was the guy who didnt know who his MEP was. I wonder if he knew who is MP is?
I assume LeftyOnaClappedoutBus that you tried to expend some effort at intelligent thought in your post. If so it seems sadly wasted and perhaps you should stick to looking at the pictures in your Guardian. I think most people would agree that Farage at least tried to answer the questions. Please give an example of where he didn’t. Compromised on the health and housing issues … in what way.
As is usual with left wing’ Austerity Warriors’ like yourself you use the word invest when you should say spend. Where the money comes from nobody knows and the likes of you care even less.
Your most ridiculous comment ‘ the fact that his governments policies in relation to liberalising trade is the key reason so many people in this country are facing increasing hardship, not the EU’ … isn’t the EU for liberalising trade …. isn’t that supposed to be it’s main attraction …. the single market.
As for your funniest moment …. you didn’t even understand what he said …. he asked who knows their MEP and that people that he asked didn’t know … suggest you play it back at a speed that you can understand it …. that should keep you busy for a week or two.
Ace,
Well said !
“If anyone thinks that the Magna Carta has any applicability to modern Britain you are frankly nuts.”
Dear Lord! What a fatuous comment.
Where do you think the root of the right’s of British subjects under Common Law originated?
Simple question for the “looser cruiser from Clapham”.
When nicked/accused for something you haven’t you have no knowledge of, would you prefer to be considered:-
1. Innocent until proved guilty?
2. Guilty until YOU can prove yourself innocent (as is the case in France)?
Long live Runnymede and those evil Barons!
Typo (due to site speed) – delete “you haven’t” – I assumed I had done!!!
Al and Number 7,
I have seen many stupid comments on this website, including some of my own ! But to say that any event in history has no relevance to today shows a depth of ignorance which is almost breathtaking.
Methinks Claphomobusman is jumping the gun a bit.
Nice to think we have such great brains on the left that they can dismiss a defining part of our history with a couple of lines. Reminds me a bit of the Khymer Rouge Day Zero in the 1970s where all history/past culture was considered irrelevant to the Revolution.
Claphomobusman and his friends in the BBC have had a bloody good go at re-writing history to their liking but I am afraid Comrade Mcdonnel aint quite in power yet.
Orwell said he who controls the past controls the future. Probably more true today than ever.
Should that grim day ever come I am sure they will not waste any time in telling us about how the heroic Mary Seacole led the Charge of the Black Brigade at Balaclava or how the Great Patriotic War against fascism was won by the first Britsh black female PM Winny Churchill or even how good King Elton and Prince David ruled justly and was loved by all – euch!
However I doubt the Boy David will get much of a mention (except in whispered conversations as the man who f####d up Britain)
Oaknash,
LOL ! But serious really. I was going to mention the Soviets, Mao etc. , but you beat me to it.
Cameron is just a snidey liar. Calling ‘Leavers’ ‘Little Englanders’, he just can’t help himself.
Well you Tories, what’s it like having a leader who thinks, (Leavers) you’re a bit of a simpleton ‘Little Englander’.
Bet UKIP are happy about that. I am. I reckon UKIP have just gained a couple of million votes.
Any responses on here from any ‘Little Englanders’ in the Tory Party would be interesting to read.
I`ve said it before and will say it again.
How the hell Nigel Farage puts up with such arrogant, all knowing stewdants who talk over him, seem to think that their right to shout over others is inaliable…and then go on to portray every sign of never having heard anything but themselves and their self-absorbed postures and platitudes?…I don`t know!
I`d have thumped either of those two teenage prats who rolled eyes, sneered and simply refused to listen to any effort to answer their all-knowing smears disguised as a “question”-would have been nice if somebody had checked what these Guardianista shouties were going to say…
God Bless You Nigel-as much a saint as it`s possible to me in these loony times.
Sadly Farage couldnt muster one answer that held water but I agree about some of the tedious individuals there.
Point acknowledged Manon. Can I draw you out over those you describe as ‘tedious individuals’. Do you think the audience was in any way hand picked, biased?
Until I see the programme I have no opinions.
GWF don’t know about the audience being hand picked, but I took particular note that nearly all of the ethnic audience were seated at the front, so the camera picked up on them most of the time. I did wonder about the audience in general, as they seemed more interested in seeing themselves on the monitors rather than taking in what was being said. Only surprised they weren’t texting or taking selfies – the majority were the right age group for that !
Empathy?
I ‘know’ you from HYS, so why you come on here I don’t know. However, we all agree that the Farage questioners were ‘tedious’. Personally I would go further and say they were carefully planted stooges with rehearsed lines. That said, the actual questions were valid, and there’s no point in having a debate unless the questioning is vigorous. However, Farage had an open goal at one point, and he missed spectacularly – when the tedious white girl said that EU commissioners are appointed by elected MEP’s, he completely missed the opportunity to point out that the UK (call me Dave himself no less) was vehemently against the appointment of Junker as EU president, but we had absolutely no say in the matter. Well, that’s not strictly true, we have one vote in 28 when it comes to appointing a president. In total, our MEP’s have voted against EU legislation on 72 occasions, and on 72 occasions we have been defeated. So, the notion that the UK has any influence inside the EU is a total fallacy.
Well said neilw. I thought he did very well overall, in very difficult circumstances, particularly the black girl with verbal diarrhea. She was quite entitled to make her point but why was she allowed to shout him down when he was busy trying to answer her question? Agreed about the own goal, he also missed another when he could have pointed out to the questioner that he’s not against immigration per se, but what he *is* against is unrestricted immigration, and the inability to prevent people with a criminal record entering the country if they are still considered likely to re-offend, but not serious enough to be a danger to national security. But then again, it’s not always so easy to think on one’s feet.
I couldn’t bear to watch Farage make a complete idiot of himself, as usual. I support Brexit but if we win it will be despite Leave and Farage, not due to them.
By failing to have a sensible plan for leaving, idiots like Farage lay themselves open every time to being destroyed by anyone asking a question of detail. He has no answers and just returns to his normal bluster.
Leaving the EU without a proper plan is like dismantling the NHS without a proper plan for how we are going to replace it. In many ways the NHS is a disaster, and I think we should be replacing it with something more suited to modern life. However, the likes of Leave would just say “We’ll sack all the doctors and nurses, close all the hospitals and then rebuild a truly world class NHS from the ground up”. This is meaningless, what about the few tens of thousands of people that would die in the meantime?, and would convince nobody, but it is all Leave are saying to leave the EU.
It is a nonsense. An interim step of the EEA may not be perfect but at least it provides a sensible way to leave in stages.
Without a plan it was impossible for Farage to answer that second question from the audience (“I work for a major drug company that requires EU market access. How will you tackle this?”). If we cannot answer that simple and very reasonable question then we cannot expect to convince people to make the huge change we are asking them to make.
I suspect that, two or three days before the referendum, Remain will make a big deal of this lack of a plan and it will be too late to do anything about it. And we will lose.
I’m sorry manchesterlad; but (with respect) you’re talking complete rubbish (IMHO).
If it wasn’t for Farage there couldn’t even be an opportunity for you to “support Brexit”; Camerscum wouldn’t have been forced to give a pledge to hold a referendum on Britain’s membership without the heat he was feeling from UKIP, led by Nigel Farage, before the last general election.
Agreed, Farage deserves some credit for initiating the referendum, but now Leave are making a complete hash of it.
Getting a referendum : good, winning it : could do a whole lot better.
If leave followed a plan such as Flexcit this referendum would be hard to lose. Leave are having a very good stab at losing IMO. I hope I’m wrong, of course.
Al,
Some reasons why Dave hates Nige,
1. He is a self-made man
2. He did not go to University.
3. He is more intelligent , worldly and knowledgeable than Dave.
4. He is more honest than Dave ( wouldn’t be difficult ! ).
5. He appeals to the “common people “.
6. He has taken a lot of votes away from the Tories, partly because of Dave’s failure as a leader.
“By failing to have a sensible plan for leaving”
Don’t need one. It’s like saying nobody should start divorce proceedings in a failed marriage until a new partner becomes available. It isn’t necessary because the unhappy couple knows that there are other single people out there who are surviving perfectly well. It’s not breaking new ground.
If other countries in the world can survive outside the EU, so can the 5th biggest economy in the world.
In any case, within the EU, what is the “sensible plan” for Greece? What is the “sensible plan” for immigration? What is the “sensible plan” for unemployment in Spain?
Where are the EU based certainties for the UK? We can’t say how it will work out if we remain. What we can say is that we’ll have very little control.
Excellent post Maria.
Here are some of the “certainties” I see which we can “enjoy” by staying in the EU:
1. EU army
2. Increased contributions from all states to cope with migrant crisis
3. Turkey joining
4. Ever-increasing union eg losing rights to set own tax rates
5. Single currency disaster
6. Unlimited immigration of unskilled labour
7. Exacerbated social integration problems
8. Ever-increasing strain on health, education, and welfare resources
9. Ever-increasing number of laws made by unelected eurocrats
10. Ultimate loss of sovereignty
I have heard an interesting argument twice now from otherwise quite-intelligent and well-meaning people. They say they are happy to have Brussels because they don’t trust our politicians and the EU court can safeguard them (the little person). Eg the bedroom tax is being fought in the EU court of human rights – is this true? If so is there a counter-argument? I know eg yesterday they decided we can’t imprison asylum seekers entering the country illegally, but what if said people don’t care about immigration and think we should let them all in. I would love to have a handy answer to that one, to make people think. Of course, what we really need is a UK constitution, but we aren’t going to get one of those in a hurry.
Untangling nearly 50 years of political integration is vastly more complex than two people divorcing.
Even if it wasn’t, the point is not that they shouldn’t get divorced, or couldn’t survive on their own, the point is that – if you are trying to persuade other people to recommend divorce – how are you going to show them that divorce would definitely work out well?
The simplistic Leave position cannot answer any of the questions any sensible person would ask of them:
“Where are you going to live the day after your divorce?”
“I don’t know, I haven’t thought about it”.
“Will your children carry on going to the same school?”
“I don’t know, I haven’t thought about it”.
“What about that car you share, how are you going to both use that to get to work?”
“I don’t know, I haven’t thought about it”.
By refusing to have answers to any of these questions, Leave are almost guaranteeing a Remain vote. Without answers, you cannot possibly persuade the majority of sensible voters, who listen and see there are no sensible answers to sensible questions, but only bluster.
I don’t agree. Leave have good answers for the challenges presented by Remain, eg “what will you do if the EU raises stiff tariff barriers to trade”. Answer (a) it’s unlikely, because they will be cutting off their noses to spite their faces and (b) in any case if they do, we will simply continue to trade – tariffs and all – and we will benefit from free access to world markets, the fastest-growing of which are outside the EU. We’ll in fact be better off.
Does Remain have any answers to that challenge? Being stuck inside the EU tariff walls costs us access to free markets. Why should we stay?
So, by the same logic, Remain should have a clear plan for why we should stay. I haven’t seen one.
Manchesterlad,
But you could say exactly the same about the Remainers.
Mike,
Wrote my post before I read yours !
@Mike
Likewise! And you have put it in a nutshell.
True, but that is largely irrelevant. The Leave camp has to make the case to leave, the Remain camp is just offering status quo.
I accept that Remain don’t have much of a plan either – but they are not the ones proposing a change! They don’t really need answers. If Leave had presented a coherent strategy for leaving, then Remain might well be on the back foot, and have to come up with answers, but Leave haven’t, and Remain can just sit back and rely on the FUD factor.
People who are unconvinced will vote Remain. Why would anyone vote for massive change if they can’t see how it is going to work?
That is the basic problem. I’m not arguing against leaving, I agree with all the reasons for leaving, it’s just that leave have made their case very poorly and will not persuade the majority of undecideds.
Without wishing to pursue the divorce analogy too far, an unhappy marriage has consequences too, particularly for the next generation. That’s the point.
As I recall, there were lots of details promoting the benefits of joining the Euro. What happened to those? Now conveniently forgotten, like the economists who devised them.
People don’t need bureaucrats to encourage them to trade. It’s been going on in some shape or form for thousands of years and it isn’t going to stop now. Airbus comes up frequently but how did we manage to produce the most advanced aircraft of its time in collaboration with France before we joined the EU?
“you cannot possibly persuade the majority of sensible voters” That’s begging the question.
If the majority of people don’t believe in democracy any more, fine, we remain, but I think they’ll rue the day they voted to stay in.
The young “woman of colour” (it that the correct terminology these days?) simply had a chip on her shoulder, but the worst thing was that she was allowed to continue her diatribe against Farage. The audience were supposed to be asking questions, but from where I was sitting, only the ones grilling Cameron were respectfully asking and then listening to the answer. Farage summed it up when he quite rightly dismissed her by saying “you’re not listening are you” – that'[s the trouble with the left, they never listen, they only try to drown out reasoned debate, either verbally, or physically.
neilw,
Yes the presenter should have dealt with that but failed. Deliberately I suspect.
That’s probably the worst debate host I’ve ever seen. She makes Nicky Campbell almost look professional (almost). She herself kept trying to stop Farage from answering when he was struggling to get a word in edgeways anyway with the loud-mouthed, pea-brained audience members. She didn’t even try to control in any way let alone a sensible one.
Demon,
I was going to post similar. She was awful, whoever she was. I can’t believe she is the best ITV has ?
Take a look at Going Postal, Breitbart or Guido Fawkes. The woman in question has already been outed as a HufPo blogger and a professional race hustler.
So much for an impartial audience. Looks like ITV is every bit as bad as the BBC when it comes to understanding the words ‘impartial’ or ‘random’.
I can’t find the reference, have you got a specific link to where she’s been outed?
https://twitter.com/mezgerei/status/740303890109857793/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Check out also:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/imriel-morgan/
OK, found it – looks like they both have form: Imriel Morgan & Tola Jaiyeola – both confirmed anti-white agitators and Guardianista. That said, I’m sure it’s just a pure coincidence and they were just randomly selected from the audience. Would be interesting to know if either of these two have ever popped up on QT….
Chris Ship, the ITV clown responsible, furiously backpedaling on Twitter right now. Claiming in his defence that ITV used the same audience procedures as QT.
He clearly hasn’t worked out yet that most sane people regard QT as a music hall act.
“The young “woman of colour” (it that the correct terminology these days?)”
Don’t worry about it. The parameters that determine what you can and cannot say are fixed to ensure that you can’t win anyway.
Am I allowed to say that I’d like to give “the young woman of colour” a good slap?
thirdoption,
I can tell you that , if she lived in Africa or the Caribbean , she would get much more than a slap from most black men. I don’t approve , but people like her should realise how lucky they are to live in the UK.
Depends how you feel about prison food.
On the other hand, if you’re a binary type person, you could grow a beard or put on a burka, or both, according to your “genda”, and use the successful “I’m a Muslim not accustomed to alcohol Your Honour” defence.
The oddest thing that Dave, amongst many, said is that we need all these immigrants to build houses. Eh? who for? We’re importing millions of foreigners to build houses for millions of foreigners. Yep, that makes sense.
Well apparently not enough foreigners from outside the EU according to one questioner that spent thousands getting a key worker from overseas. Theres a point system for people outside the EU isnt there?
Indeed, it takes a dozen or more men to build a house that can occupy 4. Not only that, in the eyes of the left, these immigrants never get sick, and they never have children who need educating, and most importantly, they never get old!
Soft power is it?
Just watching some Jack Dee vehicle for “helping us make up our minds re the EU”.
Some elderly Asian lady asks a thoroughly sensible question about the NHS and the threats due to too many migrants.
Can only imagine that the BBC had her marked down as a “Remainer”-because the so-called panel of comedians failed to laugh, let alone give us a joke.
So soft power it is-all the BBC resident so called “comics” can only crave more immigration, more Trump jokes and any effort to engage this woman in her concerns would cost them a career under the BBC.
These tossers have lost-and couldn`t muster up an original thought even if they had to…all Innards for the BBC Guardian Never Ending Project to save a millionaire…utter crap-but at least we can see the culture war was lost some time back…these “comedians” only have one factory setting to get to work at the BBC.
Mind you , it`s a light-skinned Indian, a dark-skinned Indian, A German and a Canadian lefty on the panel…so the BBC were hardly going to ask anybody white and British were they?…not our fight any of this is it?
Not sure I have much to add to the comments above. It would have been nice if Nigel had been allowed to answer questions , but his calmness, especially with that student girl who was clearly off her rocker should work in his favour.
Dave ( as the would say in Private Eye “puts on serious face ” ) was full of his usual bullshit, but allowed to speak much more than Nige. I cannot believe how such a big liar can look himself in the mirror. One real stupidity, if I heard it right, was that, if we left, the reforms in the EU would stop. So what ? That was so funny. Did he try and imply that we would have to leave every other world institution as well ? Most of the time I just find him incoherent or as they may say in Scotland “All fur coat and no knickers ” .
That was a desperate performance by “your prime minister”. He failed to answer a single question to the satisfaction of the audience. Personal stories from some questioners were batted away by Cameron and repeatedly brought back to the isssues of GDP and the economy. More EU = More immigration = Bigger GDP = More resources for public services to cope with more immigration that comes from more EU. It’s a circular argument to hell.
Cameron misses the point (perhaps deliberately so), a coherent and integrated society is more important than an ever increasing GDP.
Oh well, if we vote to stay in we are going to become a world leader in electric car technology, and all those EU criminals in our prisons will be sent back to their home countries, but not just yet.
Pull the other one Dave.
Mr G,
Of course what matters is per capita GDP. So Switzerland has a much smaller GDP than UK but a much higher per capita GDP which is one reason why the people are better off.
Our per capita income is going down and this is quite deliberate. A by product of outsourcing high paying jobs and importing cheap labour. It is leading to a growing gap in pay and rewards.
Add to that the deliberate cutting of income to those with capital in order to keep hedge funds and zombie banks alive.
All the idiot Cameron has left is to drone on about GDP increasing. For that he needs population growth and that is what he wants and is going to get. The whole scam of the EU is about taking wealth from the great mass of citizens and giving it to an elite.
Follow the money as usual and you get to the truth.
DS – solid post.
Guido has the first reactions. Doesn’t look like Dave has scored too well, and trying to paint anyone off narrative as ‘Little Englanders’ seems to be backfiring monumentally.
He used the expression twice to reinforce the message. It fits the constant narrative that Kippers or Leavers are poorly educated, older white people who have got the thin end of globalisation and are therefore bitter xenophobes and racists.
It failed to work before the last European Election (UKIP 1st position) or before the last General Election (UKIP 4 million votes), and it will fail again. Comments like “Little Englanders” only aid the Leave campaign.
Dave is too thick to learn from his past mistakes.
Grant – and too arrogant.
Al,
Spot on ! The fatal mixture of ignorance and arrogance. No leadership qualities, only bullshit and bullying. I wouldn’t follow him into a teashop.
Unfortunately, on a superficial level, he’s a plausible speaker like Blair. That’s what makes him dangerous.
Furthermore, unlike Farage, he doesn’t take risks by telling the truth. That way, he doesn’t hurt people’s feelings. People’s feelings are all that matters – welcome to 21st Century Britain folks.
Maria,
Sad but true.
“all that matter”
21st Century grammar creeping in as well.
Yes Mr G, UK becoming world leader in electric cars was the most inane thing that came out of Daves mouth. Maybe, like a good socialist, he is planning some massive state funding for the idea, a sort of BL2.
In your dreams Dave, in your dreams.
England’s,
I almost fell off my chair laughing. Dave manages to pick one thing that almost certainly, in my view, has no future ! Just like him, really !
Grant, it was so off the wall it made the “debate”. But lets face it, even if its the future it will be done by Tesla, Google, Apple or some company we dont know about in China. I suspect Dave might have been down the pub with Sir Clive Sinclair.
England’s,
And the ghost of John de Lorean !
I think Cameron’s fingers must have been crossed behind his back. This is, after all, the man who promised us “the greenest government ever”, and then went on to slash government subsidies from insulation for elderly/poor people (costing thousands of jobs), subsidies for solar and wind (costing more thousands of jobs), and signing us up to the most expensive electric generation scheme ever devised which will benefit mostly France and China, the as-yet-unproven EPR reactors at Hinkley Point. Whatever you believe about nuclear power and its associated waste, the economics alone on this are completely bonkers, and Dodgy Dave’s pathetic appeal to the “green vote” will surely fall on deaf ears.
I’m not a petrol head but, correct me if I’m wrong, I understand that a modern well maintained petrol engine caused virtually no pollution?
All the emphasis seems to be on the wicked automobile (essential out in the sticks where I live) but I regularly see badly maintained diesel commercial vehicles producing visible smoke. How many cars would it take to produce the same level of pollution?
So far as battery cars are concerned, maybe they are cleaner in daily use but what goes into the batteries? I have in mind the little discussed environmental cost in China of neodymium mining for “green” wind turbine magnets.
“causes” not “caused”
Damn.
Maria,
Are you suggesting that all lorries should be electric ? Don’t tell Dave. He will take it seriously .
I’m mainly suggesting that constant attacks on car owners are pointless. However, I’m sure that electric lorries are feasible. You can get bulk packs of AA batteries on eBay quite reasonably.
Perhaps I’ll write to Dave about it, claiming to be an expert (he likes those), and let it take its course.
Maria ,
LOL ! I am buying shares in Duracell right now. Thanks for the tip-off. Hope we don’t get done for insider trading.
Maria,
Nice one. But I suggest you write to Dave claiming to be an activist rather than an expert. That way you don’t require qualifications and will be guaranteed interviews and regular appearances on discussion programmes where you can pose as a member of the public.
OK thanks. My dastardly plan is coming together quite well.
http://blog.lboro.ac.uk/crcc/eu-referendum/media-coverage-eu-referendum-report-2/
Here is the analysis of the media output of the referendum, some of it as expected some perhaps not.
The report has four sections, assessing:
1. Issue Balance – what topics received most coverage?
2. Stopwatch Balance – which individuals or institutions featured most frequently?
3. Gender Balance – what is the proportional coverage of women and men in coverage?
4. Directional Balance – did news coverage tend to favour proponents or opponents of continued UK membership of the European Union?
I have to say that I fear the amount of coverage (and time) given to senior Tories might well have covered the BBC for an entire decade.
Key Findings:
Although there has been a reduction in their broadcast appearances Conservative politicians continue to dominate this campaign.
Labour and UKIP representatives continue to enjoy modest coverage. Labour’s broadcast presence dropped in the second sampling period.
The dominance of the Conservative party in providing rival spokespeople to promote the IN and OUT causes is only partially matched by the appearance of other protagonists in the guise of representatives of the public, albeit on TV rather than in the print media. This development reflects what appears to have been a concerted attempt by the major broadcasters to report the views of citizens in news bulletins who feature far more prominently than they did in the first report. Consequently the coverage afforded Conservatives and members of the public dwarves that devoted to representatives from all other parties combined. Labour’s presence has flatlined in the press and faltered in TV coverage. Although UKIP is a presence in the campaign it is marginal when compared with that of OUT campaigners from the Conservatives. Similarly longstanding advocates of the IN position from parties other than Cameron and Osborne’s are largely marginalised figures. Media appearances by famous individuals including Sir Ian Botham underscore the jump in coverage of celebrities. By comparison business and expert commentators continue to attract some attention and presence in the news.
Then there’s gender imbalance 90% prominence to men
There’s an enormous amount of data in this report and it covers blocs of media far too much for me to pick through, especially at this time, so I’ll leave it for others.
Thoughtful, of particular note and of relevance to this site and its subject matter:-
‘Fig 4.5 – OVERALL DISTRIBUTION OF IN/OUT STANCES (6TH MAY – 1ST JUNE)’
This is the view of the interviewees who expressed a specific view, (I have copied figures for TV reporting only).
40% IN
36.3% OUT
23.6 % OTHER
Fairly close eh!
‘Table 4.1 – PERCENTAGE OF ITEMS FAVOURING IN/OUT’
This assess the dominance and weight of the interview itself.
17.2% Favour IN
9.8% Favour OUT
73.1% Mixed or no preference
Nigh on 2 to 1! Who said you can’t make a silk purse out of a pigs ear!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36461853
Or how to read the truth of a BBC report:
“Cricket-loving Asian migrants take game to Germany”
his is Germany, football-mad Germany. Where many people have never heard of cricket, Chancellor Angela Merkel said the refugee crisis would change this country but she probably did not have this in mind.
So far as I can tell Cricket is just as little known in Syria, and these are not genuine refugees but Pakistani & Afghan bogus asylum seekers trying it on.
That would be the same Germany that has been playing international cricket since 1989, plays in the World Cricket League and has been a member of the ICC since 1991. I am sure they will treat the patronising remarks of our national broadcaster with the appropriate level of contempt.
Not a lot of people know that.
I suspect that it’s not a hot topic of conversation in Germany either.
Probably not but there is a fair amount of cricket played on the continent, a lot of it by legitimate immigrants from the Indian subcontinent who have been playing in European sides for the last 40 years, so they do not need this recent batch of border hoppers to teach them.
Most telling moment was surely when the audience member mentioned sovereignty and House of Commons library then dropped in the fact that 55% of those laws on the statute book have been made by the EU, to which Cameron instantly replied with his single-market trade meme, fear written all over is fast, blustering face.
Yes – apparently, despite having more than half of our laws made by unelected politicians in Brussels, that is national sovereignty. At least, according to David C. He’s got a nice used mini you can buy, too 😉
He’s got a nice used mini you can buy, too ?
BMW of course.
The irony!!!
😀
71% of Telegraph readers think that Farage won, on the online poll
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/07/david-cameron-v-nigel-farage-who-won-the-itv-eu-referendum-debat/
Good job Nigel (and Dave!)
This must be worrying the absurd Barclay Brothers a very great deal. Their newspaper is sinking ever deeper into the mire, the further Left it moves and even its remaining readers are clearly noble Brexiters.
Do they go for broke, declare as Remaniacs and lose the lot, or try to resolve their ‘issues’ with cognitive dissonance?
Still, it’s all fun in Fleet St tonight. Even the Guardianistas are, apparently, giving tonight’s title fight to Farage. Oops!
As predicted by me here, BBC Website ” MPs seek vote register extension” !
The BBC now reports the PM is encouraging to keep on registering despite the deadline passing.
Until the ‘correct’ result is reached, presumably.
As precedents go, interesting.
It isn’t all bad news for Leave, though (I think) – the demographics show older voters are also registering late. https://www.gov.uk/performance/register-to-vote/registrations-by-age-group
I predict a riot…..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3629775/Brexit-won-t-happen-vote-leave-EU-referendum-says-David-Cameron-s-father-law.html
Brexit won’t happen even if we vote to leave the EU in referendum, says David Cameron’s father-in-law
Lord William Astor is Samantha Cameron’s stepfather
Condemned the EU as ‘unaccountable’ but said we should stay in
Predicted that MPs would block Brexit even if we vote to leave on June 23
BBC Radio 4 Today is in full on ‘get Farage’ mode, every question put to Douglas Carswell was barbed, ‘racism’ wasn’t mentioned, but it’s clear that the BBC, left wing and illiberal as ever is trying to close down debate on race, and on sex attacks which have taken place all over Europe.
According to the BBC Cologne didn’t happen, neither did Rotherham Heywood ! They are prepared to sacrifice our children (not theirs mind) on the altar of political correctness.
This from Al beeb’s website this am: According to info from uk police forces, between 2011 to 2014 there were 4000 alleged physical sexual assaults and MORE THAN 600 RAPES in UK schools. So that’s an average of roughly 100 “alleged” rapes and sexual assaults every month in our schools. Note Al Beeb doesn’t say whether data was provided by every UK police force. Bets on an in-depth follow up from Al Beeb on what are truly shocking stats ?
Thanks to Political Correctness laws, the Political Correctness Enforcement Squad does not keep any record of the ethnic background of offenders.
This is of course to protect the ethnic minorities and to disadvantage the white majority.
“This is of course to protect the ethnic minorities and to disadvantage the white majority. ”
And it has the effect of protecting the perpetrators and causing more victims who are unprotected.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-36472234
The headline on the BBC’s news web page reads: Disabled Girl, 11, Handcuffed by Police.
In the body of the article it says the girl ‘was arrested three times and detained under the Mental Health Act once between 2 February and 2 March 2012’ So not a one off, but more importantly the item goes on to say ‘Her disability had not been diagnosed at the time of the police contact’
The mother says her child ‘she could behave in very challenging ways …’
Perhaps BBC reporters should walk the streets with the police for a week before writing such offensively, biased, misleading headlines that undermine the police force.
I’ve no sympathy for the political correctness enforcement squad, and I just see this as them being hoisted on their own petard.
They allege that they Police by consent, well my consent is withdrawn until they return to sense, and stop trying to persecute white people, and treat us as second class citizens!
Somebody asked if there was any comeback for those who think the EU is more likely to make better laws, protect ‘rights’ etc than a sovereign UK parliament. What they really mean, of course, is that they trust the EU to be more left wing than the UK. It’s a long shot, but one argument would be to remind such people of the ‘rise of the far right’ of which many on the left seem to live in abject terror. In theory the EU could be taken over by far right politicians and bureaucrats. Of course, it’s highly unlikely to ever happen but it’s theoretically possible and the left would have no means of voting them out.
Moaners hour has a young Indian woman entrepreneur on – and they must have thought it was all so very cosy and PC, but they hadn’t realised she was involved in Venture Capital, and when she started talking about it, arch Leftie Jane Garvey’s hackles began to rise !
She stated that many people see Venture capitalism as the most extreme form of capitalism, and when the hapless victim oops interviewee started to justify her work, Garvey quickly shut her up saying “We don’t want a party political broadcast on behalf of the Venture Capital party”.
It was truly sickening to hear a woman who had defied the odds silenced by someone who didn’t agree with her work.
Appalling left wing bias by someone who in the past has even admitted the BBCs appalling left wing bias
Yes, I heard those interviews on W.H..
The BBC will never understand that without wealth creation you can have neither the welfare state nor the BBC.
It was an odd item. I have pitched to venture capitalists on a number of occasions, with rooms of between 50 and a hundred investors. The venture capitalists were all male and 90% of those pitching were male. There was no sign on the door saying women with money to invest should stay away, nor were business women with ideas kept out at the point of a gun.
It’s true that the organisers will sift through the applicants to weed out the dreamers and that can be a gruelling examination of your plans and personal character but Venture capitalists are out to make dosh. They don’t give a flying, erm you know, who is going to turn a buck, male or female, black or white — outside the imagination of BBC producers I guess.
Finally, I found the actual venture capitalists to be very approachable, understanding and positive people and not the hateful villains projected by the BBC.
News flash on AL Beeb, soon to be extinguished no doubt:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36479921
Nicely drawn picture of the Somalian contemplating porridge and a plasma screen for next 8 months with free expert advice on how to kill the infidels when he is released.
BbC web site: Tube knife attacker guilty of attempted murder
Guardian: Leytonstone knife attack: man convicted of attempted murder
Whereas
sky: IS-Inspired Man Guilty Of Beheading Attempt
Telegraph: Muhiddin Mire guilty of Islamist attack on Leytonstone Tube